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Dale
Morning sickness.
Brady
You've been deceived by an agent of Satan himself. He's evil. Sitting right here.
Dale
Come on. No, no, he's not.
Brady
He's not evil. He's just a bit rude. Wow. Brett just hit me with some news. Dale won't care about this, but the guitar player from Mastodon just died in a motorcycle accident.
John Holmberg
They just got news for Brent Hines.
Brady
One of the co founders. Yeah, Larry's just finding out as we speak. About it. How about that?
Dale
Wow.
Brady
Dale, welcome. Welcome aboard. Yeah. Look at that. You sell your motorcycle. I say Brett immediately. No. God, it's crazy.
Dale
Do you wear a helmet, Brett?
Unidentified Male Caller
Yes.
Brady
Have to wear a helmet.
John Holmberg
I got yelled at one time when I wasn't.
Brady
By John Who?
Dale
You out of here, you son of a bitch.
Brady
Right, I forgot about that. And then I got mad at you for the whole thing. Yeah, well, you're an idiot for not wearing a helmet. That's why I said that. Yeah, well, that's crazy. So, yeah, we'll. We'll keep our eyes open for that. That's not great news. But he's not part of the.
John Holmberg
Yeah, he just left in March or something.
Dale
So they'll have.
John Holmberg
They already had a replacement. But he's a co founder. He's been there since.
Brady
Yeah.
Dale
Is Mastodon a pretty good.
Brady
Pretty good rock band?
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Brady
Pretty. There. You would hate them.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Brady
Yeah, you would hate them.
Dale
You put them on this station.
Brady
You would. Let me give you a little taste of Mastodon real quick. Here's what this is. This is Mastodon. So great band song called Show Yourself.
Dale
Yeah. If I listen to this every day, I would be a mass murderer.
Brady
This isn't even. This is. This is poppy.
Dale
Just a beat.
John Holmberg
If I listen to Luke Bryant every.
Dale
Damn like right now, I want to just punch Brady in the face. Well, yeah, but that's not gonna kill.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
You'll break every knuckle.
Brady
Yeah, that's. Show Yourself. That's a poppy song.
Dale
Yeah.
Brady
If I listen to Luke Bryan, I'd kill the guy I was having with too.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
It's road rage.
Brady
That's right, Dale. You heard me.
Dale
You are so.
Brady
I'd pull out and I'd kill him.
John Holmberg
He go and dry.
Brady
Yeah, I go and dry. I'd rather have a guy go in dry on me than listen to country music. What would you rather have? Just a gaggle of gay guys in the desert with sand all over their penises or listen to country music for the rest of your life? Bring on the Twinks. That's right. Give me that. Give me that.
Dale
Twink pyramid.
Brady
I'd dress up like a pharaoh. I'd be.
Dale
Wow.
Brady
Anything's better than country music. So how dare you disparage Mastodon? It's awesome. Dealers games at 4 o' clock today. Dale playing the Carolina Pants on Thursday. On a Thursday, a little Thursday night.
Dale
Aaron Rodgers taking what, 50, 60, snap.
Brady
Yeah, he's probably gonna go the full pull on today. I don't think he's playing. They're not playing Anybody. Which makes the pre. See, we talked about that in the podcast that Dale and I are trying to start, but is nowhere yet, but might be today. That sports thing we're talking about how bad preseason is, it's pointless. The practices are important. These games are just money grabs.
Dale
Well, understand the thing about preseason and. And I'm. It's always fascinating because the owners are giving up preseason games for regular season games.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
I kind of understand that. I've heard it. That each week of a regular season is almost a big billion dollars.
Brady
Yeah.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
But in preseason, they charge you regular season prices. They don't give you a discount on beer. You have to buy whatever and you have to buy them to get some tickets. And they only have to pay the players like 2500 bucks a week.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
Now, again, just for easy math, if you're making $17 million a year, that's a million dollars a week.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
Or $2,500 for a preseason.
Brady
Come on.
Dale
Yeah.
Brady
And it's crazy because they're like, the Steelers played the Buccaneers all week last week.
Dale
Right.
Brady
So they got real one on one starters on starters and practice. And then they played their meaningless preseason game. And I'm like, they don't need this. They're just selling tickets.
Dale
Yes.
Unidentified Male Caller
And it's.
Brady
The preseason has gotten to be worse.
Dale
Than I said when we did the podcast. I. I've talked to the coaches. Joe Avzano was a close friend of mine. Hudson Hou, the offensive line coach for the Cowboys. So coming into camp.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
53 guys on the roster. How many roster spots are open on an average year?
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
Two or three.
Brady
Two or three spots. The guy might surprise her. They need a place that this guy's.
Dale
Going to find her, whatever. But going in, you've got 49 or 50 of your guys already vested.
Unidentified Male Caller
Right.
Dale
And back then, we used to do six weeks of training camp.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
And now it's.
Brady
So it was all 100 players currently on each team or thereabouts.
Dale
Yes.
Brady
And they got to cut back to. They're going to cut 47 of them after this weekend. And you're saying that only three or four maybe had a chance at a chance.
Dale
Unless somebody just absolutely shocks you and you got to make matters worse, my first three or four years in the league in Buffalo.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
There's no roster limit, so there'd be 160 dudes out there. So now if you're. If you had the teammate, it was great because your offense line was five deep.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
You know, starter, you do 20 plays a team. You're doing four or five plays and you're done. Now.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Don't they have practice squads?
Dale
They do now. Yeah.
Brady
You put a guy in the practice squad, though, any. Anybody can take them.
Dale
Right.
Brady
They're available to the whole league. So you be careful with that. If you've got a guy who's like, he's in development, but we're not, put him on the 53, put him on the practice squad. Someone else can steal them.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
And how many are you said, like 6 or 7?
Brady
8 right now.
Dale
But you have the chance. If somebody claims him, you have the chance to sign him yourself if you want.
Brady
Then you got to put them on the roster. Yes. And keep them off. Or put them on ir.
Dale
Right.
Brady
Which is even more stupid because then he can't play it off. You know what?
Dale
I was going to say that what was so fascinating just jogged my memory for the first four years. Last preseason game, they literally told four or five guys, hey, you're going to sprain your ankle. Hey, you're going to hurt your knee. You're going to do. And somewhere along the line they go down, trainers come out, carry you off because they're going to put you on injury reserve to keep you in the rough. Yeah. And then bring you back. It was crazy, guys. Nobody's good at faking injuries. Rooked sons of bitches. It's like, you know, it's my right ankle, but you're limping on your left ankle and bastards have been lying to.
Brady
Us the whole time. Anyway, it's time now for the entertainment drill. What else going on in sports? Anything while you're here? I don't think you got anything.
Dale
Diamondbacks. How about your Diamondbacks?
Brady
You know, I went to a game the other day. It was a morgue. It's just brewed on.
Dale
But how about the Catal Marte stuff?
Brady
You were right, man. You give Dale his flowers on that one. You were absolutely 100 right about it. Should have traded him.
Dale
Yep.
Brady
Because this is weirder. It got weirder.
Dale
Well, I didn't realize until recently that after. So he took the Sunday game off before the All Star break, which they needed. And they were in the wild car race at that point.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yep.
Dale
And then his house got broke into All Star break, but instead of coming home to take care of that, he went to Dominican Republic and didn't tell the team.
Brady
Yeah, they found out after he came back. And that's the crazy part.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Somebody emailed Rodman.
Brady
Yeah, some. Well, no, Rodman told Phil Jackson. Everybody knew. Yeah, everybody knew. He's going to Vegas Disappear. No, he went to Vegas and they said he has to. He can't be in Salt Lake City for four days.
John Holmberg
He was gone longer than he should.
Dale
They were worried.
Brady
They were worried he was. Because he didn't check into the morning practice. Day of gain. Then there's pictures of him with Carmen Electra naked in a hallway and like, he ain't coming back. They were worried. And then he just showed up right at the game time ready to go.
Dale
Like, okay, but this crazy.
Brady
But the Marte thing, somebody emailed and said, isn't it like finding out, like something happened in Scottsdale and then you go to Baltimore to feel safe? Like it's.
Dale
It made no sense.
Brady
None.
Dale
It made absolutely no sense. And so evidently that stuff's been going on. They fired or they removed their third base coach.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yes.
Dale
Had a rough year.
Brady
Trade Marte would have been a huge thing. You're absolutely right. Crazy. But they're hanging in there a little better than you expected. They're still around 500. They're not going to do any damage.
Dale
Well, I mean, I'm expecting it here in the next week or so to see some little homebird come up there in pitching relief or something like that.
Brady
I think you might be right.
Dale
Yeah.
Brady
Bring up anybody. I'll get out there on the bump. I'll take the beating. I got no problem with that. It's time for Brady to entertain us all. On top of the news that the guy from Mastodon just passed away, which is very meaningful to this crowd. What was his name?
John Holmberg
Brent Hines.
Brady
Brent Hines. So people who like Mastodon are kind of like, well, I was. What? That's a shocker. But Brady's got all that other stuff. The entertainment drills brought to you by reactdefense.com the home of tactical black self defense training. Get on in there and get yourself all trained up and ready to go in case something weird happens to you. You just never know when something goofy's coming your direction and you should defend yourself. Have a plan in your head for what to do if somebody comes at you with just wants to straight up fight you. Walking down the road and downtown. That's happened a few times. We're like, oh, boy, that guy came out of the woodwork. You learn triangulation of where you're standing versus corners. There's so many things you don't think about and then you start thinking about and they just become part of your daily routine. It's about making you and the people you care about a little safer. It's smart. That's all it is. Become a sheepdog. Stop being a sheep. React defense.com the Home Tactical Black Brady Dale Entertainment.
Dale
Sickness.
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Unidentified Male Caller 2
Sean Williams Scott is going through a divorce. Has been Stifler and yep, Stifler from American Pie. Wondering he's been in a couple of movies. How's he Doing Well. He had to submit all his income because there's a custody battle and child support.
Brady
He's on that new Tim Allen show. It's terrible, though.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Well, he gets $110,000 a month, $45,000 in royalties, 31,000 additional in dividends and interest.
Brady
Just from American Pie or just from his career?
Unidentified Male Caller 2
From his career.
Brady
Okay.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
And then he also has 12.2 million in stocks and bonds and 18.8 million in property.
Brady
Good on him.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
He invested his bugs.
Brady
Now he's got to hand it to some bro. Split that up, cut Stifler in half. There's going to be an American Pie adults movie coming out here soon. They're going to rehash that to get that money back.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Paris Hilton's new animated kids show, Paris and pups, debuts on YouTube. That's right. The girl that you learned about.
John Holmberg
It's better in her porn video. No matter how bad it is, it's.
Brady
Sexier to watch her pet puppies than it is to watch her really see.
Dale
What?
Brady
Oh, damn.
John Holmberg
Miserable.
Dale
Really blow up.
Brady
Dolls move around.
Dale
Really?
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Brady
And it's not that you're looking for some sort of circus, but some sort of feign interest emotion. Oh, my God. I've never had a. Like, you know, you've had a dead lay. I've never had a dead jerk before. It was impossible to even tug to my dick's like, really find something else. Turn it to give me a break or what's happening or something.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Dale's got a big story.
Brady
All right, go ahead.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
This is really cool.
Dale
You see? He sets me up for failure.
Brady
It's true.
Dale
Dolly Parton has her own Coca Cola flavor right now.
Brady
This sounds great.
John Holmberg
That fits you.
Dale
What are you talking about?
Brady
Yeah, it's country music.
Dale
I'm gonna send my guys over to your guys.
Brady
Yeah, you both have huge fat cans.
Dale
It's perfect. Dolly Parton is the author of several books, a line of baking kits, and has a new hotel coming to Nashville. Hotel Johnny.
Brady
That's right.
Dale
You ever been to Nashville?
Brady
I have. It's a great city.
Dale
It's great.
Brady
One of my favorites.
Dale
A lot of. A lot of country music.
Brady
I didn't like that. I found a rock bar.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
A lot of rock music, too.
Brady
Well, it's mostly country now. They've ruined it.
Dale
But this achievement might stand above the mall. Dolly now has her own signature flavor of Coca Cola. It's called 40th pop fizz. And so celebrate the 40th anniversary of Dollywood.
Brady
Oh.
Dale
Which turns 40 next year. But if you're going to go travel to Pigeon for Tennessee. You want to try it?
Unidentified Male Caller 2
It's only available at home.
Dale
Yeah. Pigeon. Pigeon in Dollywood.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah. Yeah.
Brady
Well, that makes sense that you would only get it at the place where Dolly is, like, most famous.
Dale
I. Brooke and I. My wife went. The one you'll never meet. Went to Nashville one time, and we took the. And we took the tour just to see what the natural thing. And my wife's a little gullible.
Unidentified Male Caller
Oh.
Dale
And so we're going by the fool during the Mariner. No. Well, maybe. But that. But the Titan Stadium.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Dale
And the conductor or whatever is given little snippets here and there. Edge, because. So that's where there's. When there's tornado warnings, that's where we take everybody to the Titan Stadium. And Brooklyn looks at me, goes, there's no covering on that. The guy goes. Because the Titans never score. No. Never touchdown. Never touch, like a hurricane tomato.
Brady
There's no touchdowns there. That's brilliant. Your. Your wife didn't get it. Oh, now, that explains so much. So very, very much. And I will meet your wife soon. I will.
Dale
At my funeral.
Brady
That's right. Count on it.
Dale
Hi. I'm John Holmes.
Brady
I'm the one you've been waiting for. Do you know who Stifler is?
Dale
I do. You do? I do know, but.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Nice.
Dale
Oh, I was gonna say the names that you're talking about with that comedian dude, Brian Posay. Yeah. You were throwing out names. I'm like, who the hell are you talking about?
Brady
Bob Odenkirk?
Dale
No. Who's that?
Brady
Better Call Saul? Breaking Bad?
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Nobody.
Brady
He was. He was one. He was Saul. Nobody. The movie. And now nobody, too. Vinnie Paul. Vinnie Paul from Pantera.
John Holmberg
Huge Cowboys fan. Pantera singer, drummer from Pantera.
Brady
You know Pantera? No.
Dale
I know this song.
Brady
That's them. That's them, yeah.
Dale
Huge cowboys. They wore their.
Brady
They wore their homosexual jersey. The. The stars. What do they call? Oh, Cowboy jersey. They wore those all over the place.
Dale
So your team got beat by homosexuals in the super bowl once, but I.
Brady
Think we still have the upper hand.
Dale
Was I on there? Have I ever lost?
Brady
I don't know that you ever played.
Dale
Have I ever lost to the Steelers? Did you? I don't think so.
Brady
You've lost to the Steelers even in the regular season?
Dale
I don't think so.
Brady
There was a game. You guys clobbered us and opened the season 37. 7. It was awful. The rider. That's one time I walked away from the game. I think the Ryder Cup Was on at the same time. I'm like, I'm not watching this switch. It was brutal. It was a beating. I think we had Ohio State gem Mike Tomczak at the hell.
Dale
Oh, my goodness.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Tzak.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Brady
Don't bring back those memories. Anyway, enjoy. Do the Cowboys do anything, or is this all just. They're living so much in nostalgia. There's nothing.
Dale
It's a weird feeling to be in as a guy who played for 11 years for him. The fact that. Do you kind of want them to do good, but the further away it.
Brady
Gets, it's like, just don't care.
Dale
If you don't care, number one. Number two, it's like that. That was the glory days. I mean, even the 70s when they became America's team, they only won two Super Bowls, and they lost one or two to Europe.
Brady
They were. There were three and two, I think.
Dale
In Super Bowls back then, but.
Brady
Or two and three. Sorry. They were in five.
Dale
They won and then three, zero with Palestine.
Brady
Well, all right. Whatever happened, happened, I guess. Do you want to say goodbye to Brady? Just in case.
Dale
Oh, when's the surgery?
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Tuesday.
Dale
Good luck.
Brady
I was shaking hands.
Dale
It's been nice. I'll give him a hug after.
Brady
Don't be. Don't squeeze too hard at my pop.
Dale
I wouldn't. I wouldn't do that. I wanted to pop out like a.
Brady
Human zit right now. You don't want to squeeze around on Brady too much.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
You never know.
Dale
So when we see him next, he's going to be lean and mean. Diets changing.
Brady
You tell him.
Dale
Diets changing.
Brady
Yeah. 100. No more sodium, no more salt, no more processed foods.
Dale
You'll feel better. I promise.
Brady
No more pizza. No more cheese?
Unidentified Male Caller 2
No. Not on that.
Dale
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Brady
Well, no, that's exactly what we're talking about. You can't.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
It's processed foods. No, not if I make it.
Brady
You're gonna do it.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
And there's some good pizzas out there that are okay.
Brady
I will say, I've read that white flour is better for you. Normally, that's a terrible thing to put in, but white flour is good for you to help your kidneys.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
It's not a ton of sodium.
Brady
Your kidney?
Dale
Yeah. We're working at 15, and we're barely.
Brady
That thing's barely functioning. If it was a car, you wouldn't drive it on the freeway because it can't go fast enough. But he wants to drive it as fast as he can to the pizza place. Keep her. Keep her cool, kid. Say goodbye to Dale just in Case.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
It'S nice knowing you.
Brady
Is there anything you'd like to say to each other right before just.
Dale
You know, Brady, I, I, I, I know you come through with flying colors and you have two ways to handle these situations. Right. Another friend who's going through. You can either deal with humor or you can go, yeah, be the saddest.
Brady
Guy in the world.
Dale
Yeah. And, and I, I would deal with anything with you.
Brady
I agree completely.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
That's how we do it.
Unidentified Male Caller
Yeah.
Brady
No, look at that. There's love over there. See that?
Dale
I, I might be you when he wakes up. I want to be in the hospital. Right there in bed.
Brady
Why would you do that to him? He's been through so much. Why would that be a. You think he died and went to Frankenstein hell, Brady, you can't be the first person people see coming out of anesthesia at all.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
Are we in heaven?
Brady
Yeah. His other kidney will just leap out of his body.
Dale
So we're doing the podcast also the main I do that was Steve McCollum.
Brady
Look at you promoting away the sports thing. The main event with Steve McCullough. And we'll get the other thing up later today. I'll have Toledo post those on our Facebook at the very least. Right now, however, go to Shane Gillis.com and use the code live. Presale tickets for Shane Gillis's show on December 5th are on sale just for you guys right now. Now Gillis has his deal. No, no, Brady, listen to what I said. There is an SG Live. They're trying to track how many people listen to us and get it through us. So live is for us. If you hate us, then go SG Live. If you don't and you want some credit to go CUPD's way for the Gilla sales. They're doing this one just for you guys anyway. So live is for you so they can make sure how many KUPD people get catered to faster. I am telling you, the fees on these tickets for everything now, but this one really was surprising. It'll kick you. So just be ready. Be ready to spend a couple of bucks for a one night only event for probably the hottest comic going.
Dale
And he's at the Sunsplash.
Brady
Yeah, the Phoenix Arena.
Unidentified Male Caller
Pretty big.
Brady
It's going to fill 18, 19,000 seats for that. That's pretty good. We're done. Larry's next. You guys have a great Thursday. We'll see you tomorrow on the morning sickness.
Dale
It's not weird. It's pretty cool actually.
Unidentified Male Caller 2
No membership fees.
Brady
I have heard enough of this.
Podcast: Holmberg’s Morning Sickness on 98 KUPD
Episode Date: August 21, 2025
Guests/Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo, guest Dale Hellestrae
This episode of the HMS podcast features the usual crew joined by former NFL player Dale Hellestrae. The show foucses on the day’s entertainment news, sports talk, and their trademark irreverent banter, including reactions to the sudden death of Mastodon’s guitarist, discussions about the NFL preseason’s value, recent Diamondbacks drama, pop culture stories, and a comedic preview of changes in Brady's lifestyle following upcoming kidney surgery.
On music preference:
"I'd rather have a guy go in dry on me than listen to country music." – Brady (03:35)
On NFL preseason games:
"But in preseason, they charge you regular season prices. They don't give you a discount on beer…And they only have to pay the players like 2,500 bucks a week." – Dale (04:50)
On faked injuries:
"Rooked sons of bitches... limping on your left ankle. Bastards have been lying to us the whole time." – Dale (07:33)
On Ketel Marte's behavior:
"It made absolutely no sense." – Dale (09:13)
On country music and Mastodon:
"If I listen to this every day, I would be a mass murderer." – Dale (03:06)
"Anything's better than country music. So how dare you disparage Mastodon?" – Brady (03:59)
On supporting friends through medical issues:
"You have two ways to handle these situations…. I would deal with anything with you." – Dale (20:08)
The episode remains light-hearted, irreverent, and quick-witted throughout, blending honest sports insights with playful jabs at each other and pop culture. Dale’s presence adds an ex-athlete’s realism to the football conversations, balanced with the crew’s established chemistry.
This episode is a characteristic mix of local sports, national pop culture, and inside-joke heavy comedy. Dale brings old-school NFL stories and perspective, while the regular hosts riff off everything from music genres to dietary restrictions—with warmth, unfiltered honesty, and constant humor. If you’re into the intersection of sports, music, and group camaraderie, it’s a lively, engaging listen.