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John
That almost sounds like a country.
Dale
No, no, that. The ending. Can we just listen to.
John
The ending was fine, too. There you go. Look, it's Dale. Hell, everybody moved by the ending on a Thursday morning where we need football more than we've ever needed it. A nice distraction will feel great.
Dale
You got that, boy.
John
Is that a fact? Huh? Do you have any. We did this this morning. I talked about this, saying the last thing we need to do is now quiet people. If they have something to say to let them talk. You know, instead of, you know, because they're talking about, oh, we gotta stop, you know, speeches at schools, and it could incite violence. And let's keep everybody quiet. Like, that's exactly the opposite. Do you have anything that. Like, what was your reaction to yesterday's nonsense?
Dale
As a human being, do you want it? First of all, as a human being, if anybody celebrates that. Yeah, I'd like about three minutes with them in a room.
John
See, you can't do that, Daniel. I'll tell you this because this is the thing.
Dale
Why can't I?
John
Part of the freedom of speech is the right to do things that other people don't like. And you can't match it with violence.
Dale
I can't?
John
No, no, no, no. See, that's. That's the problem. When an individual takes it upon themselves to say, but I can, then stuff happens. Like what happened yesterday.
Dale
What I'm saying is, again, why would you celebrate anybody dying?
John
I do not understand.
Dale
Mass murder or something like that. Okay, whatever. But a normal human being who you don't agree with. I'm sorry. I'll discuss stuff with you.
John
Sure.
Dale
I'll debate you. Now we're gonna get into a fist fight over. I don't need to talk to you. I feel horrible for his family. Horrible kids that are gonna grow up without a dad.
Guest 1
Yep.
Dale
And all that. That just. It's. It's.
John
It punched everybody. It punched everybody in the guts.
Dale
For a person who was not, you know, a president or something like that, he had that kind of. Kind of effect on. On people. So thoughts and prayers go out to his. His wife and family.
John
It's just weird that. That it hit everybody as hard as it did.
Dale
Yes.
John
You know, because you didn't even have to pay attention to Charlie Kirk that much.
Host
It didn't matter what side you were on either. His side.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
Normal people all depend. It doesn't matter what they Believe. Think this is awful.
Dale
Yes.
John
So let's get to football.
Dale
Here we go. I mean, we got the Steelers. Wait, wait. We got a Steelers, Cardinals, Super Bowl.
John
Looks like it's the other both one and. Oh, man. Half the half the league is undefeated.
Dale
You know, 68% of teams that win their first game go to the playoffs.
John
Well, it's exactly what I was thinking. And also, by the way, you can't win them all if you don't win the first one.
Dale
That's just like you can't par all 18 if you don't par the first.
John
Exactly. So you're off to a good start. One and O is all you can ask. You may not have looked pretty, but you walked out with a win and that's all that matters. Tell me this. Cardinal fans are watching that thing against the and the Saints are not going to be a good team this year. That's clear. Cardinals almost gave that game back. Like, did everything they could to not put their foot down, but they walked out with a W as a former player. By the way, it's Dale Hell Street.
Guest 1
Oh, yeah.
John
And I get a. How about this? Oh, yeah, your sponsor, Dale Sports Report. Yeah, that's what this says. Brought to you by Diamond Coatings and Grinding. They're coming to my house.
Dale
Grinding.
John
Yeah. Not that way.
Dale
Oh, what's up?
John
They do. They did Brady's garage floor and pavers and stuff.
Guest 2
Yeah.
Host
Working on my garage floor too.
John
Amazing. And so.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
Oh, my God, the unreal how good the work is. So it was so good at Brady's place. I called him up, have them come to my house. They're looking at my pavers and I was going to get those, like, kind of touched up. And they see my basketball court and they're like, do you want that thing to be that color? Because I have it black and gold. Of course. And I said, absolutely. And he goes, that's going to fade and we can fix that. And I'm like, really? And so they're putting this thing on there to make it so the paint's not going to fade for years and years.
Dale
I'll get my garage done.
Guest 1
All right.
John
We got to get you in on it. Lifetime warranty. If you're tired of looking at boring.
Dale
Beat up concrete, having a lifetime warranty.
John
For Brady's, I mean, that's a pretty safe one.
Guest 2
That's why they came to me.
John
They're like, hey, yeah, yeah.
Dale
You get all.
John
You can eat at every restaurant for life.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
Everybody's pretty much giving. You've got the double D on you.
Dale
Now I remember.
John
There was a guy who had two strokes in this building.
Dale
Well, you got to finish.
John
Oh yeah, that's right.
Host
Okay.
John
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Dale
Really?
John
Your floor deserves a diamond finish. Thank you. Diamond coatings and grinding. I'm telling you, Brady's place looks great. The plan they have for me is unreal. And they're doing your garage and it's great.
Guest 1
So.
John
Yeah, get it.
Dale
Now do you got a single carport or you got a garage?
Host
No, I have a three car garage. How big's your car? How big's your garage?
John
All right. Oh yeah.
Host
Should we talk about than the garage of my new house? 40 by 70.
Guest 1
Yeah. Yeah.
John
All right. Let's not swing our garage.
Dale
There we go. Good Christ.
Host
That's at my old house. Excuse me, I'm sorry.
Dale
And then the guy's going to want some tickets to a Raiders game.
John
I asked him and he said he's working on it. All right.
Guest 1
All right.
John
So here's.
Dale
I can get them. I just not sure if I can transfer them.
John
They'll give them. Well, that may. May be only because you don't know how, right? Once you have them, you can give them to Brett.
Dale
A lot of they have the. The small print. The Cowboys.
John
This is Dale only.
Dale
No, it says that they don't want. They don't want to pass them. 75 EX players getting two tickets a piece and giving it every slap. Big friend out there. You know what I'm saying?
John
It's a good point.
Guest 1
Yes.
John
All right, okay, I digress. That's a good point.
Dale
But you're right on the fact that I wouldn't know how to transfer. I'd have to have somebody else.
John
I've seen that before with you. Would you just stand outside?
Dale
I never take it to my phone.
John
And I went, all right, we'll just go. So let's talk about this, the football. So you walk out as a former player. See if you can remember as long back as that was, first week, the overreaction Monday, all the things that happened, everybody loses their minds. But is there some validity to the idea of we looks like crap but got the win as a player, Is that easier or harder? Would you almost rather lose and go we got now we got our back. So I know you want to win all the games and stuff, but it's like you see teams that kind of no stink.
Dale
No.
John
It might morally be defeated.
Dale
Especially when you go on the road.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
Again, there's no team this year to go oh and 17. The teams are there going to be teams that win game and you go on the road the season over again. I, if I'm the belief, I'm looking at the 49ers now. Purdy's out, Kittle's out. Don't play during the preseason.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
Your body needs to absorb some hits. It needs to, it needs to exercise, it needs to do all those things. I think you could steal two to three wins in September if you play your guys.
John
If you take care.
Dale
Yes.
John
But isn't preseason more the four days before the game we see you guys are already playing football games that we don't know about.
Dale
Well, you, you have, you practice usually Cardinals practice one time against Denver. Whoever.
John
They didn't have.
Dale
Well one day. Yeah, it used to be. Yeah. Hey, three days of practice you'd go two a days you had.
John
The Raiders would come down.
Dale
Yeah. You scrimmage each other and all that. So yeah, you got all you. But now you have one practice and.
John
It'S because the Steelers played the Buccaneers for three days and on the, on the third day they locked it down and it was one on ones on ones.
Dale
Yeah.
John
And they played a half of football.
Dale
Okay, well so you get to see all you want.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
When we used to go against the Raiders it was we do a full practice. We do inside run against each other. That's everything but tackling the running back, which sometimes they would do anyways. You do team period full speed. You do one on one pass rush against each other, one on ones on the outside.
John
So when you get on the field week one.
Dale
Yes.
John
You're a little more prepared. So that's kind of why. But which was surprising was there weren't a lot of terrible games last weekend as far as like performance. Like these guys are out of sort. Although I will say maybe the Bengals would be the one and they played their guys in the preseason.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
Dolphins are an awful. That that was. I might argue they might go Owen 17.
Dale
They got something Mr. McDaniel might and I love and I loved him when he first got there.
John
But he's lost the team.
Guest 1
Yeah. Yes.
Dale
He doesn't have any.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
But he'll be a great coordinator when he leaves. So you look at the Cardinals and you say all right, you're one and oh, that wasn't pretty. That's not good. Does it matter to a Player in the locker room to say, okay, let's just put that behind us. We're one and O. We got lucky being one. And, oh, it doesn't weigh on you like, the next game to go, oh, here we go again.
Dale
But one thing about football that is great, I think, and is also bad is the fact that you have one game a week. So you play on Sunday. Now you got six days to analyze.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And get really high, really low. All of a sudden, when baseball, you lose the game, but you're playing the next day, you talk about it for two minutes, it's on the next day behind you. You got the whole week. I think that the Cardinals. You look at that. The performance you found a way to win wasn't pretty. I wouldn't say awful.
John
The ending was pretty bad. They were floundering. They got lucky that the Saints were floundering, too.
Dale
Okay. At the end of the day, they won the game.
Guest 1
Right.
Dale
And so now you get to watch film. The thing is, now you've played 60 plays. None of these guys. You can say I practiced for two hours. But you don't. There's no way in my mind for the time I was 8 years old. Practice like it's a game.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
Practice like it does not happen that way. That's why you see groins and hamstrings. Oh, I think he's okay.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
He's going full speed and practice. And then, boom, game comes.
John
Oh, pops out.
Dale
Yes. So something happens. So I think that the Cardinals. You'll see a. A great improvement this week in that. In that.
John
Because they got real tape on 60 plays. The guys that are going to play all the time played.
Guest 1
No.
Dale
So you can correct what's crazy. You're sitting here on a Thursday and I. Valley sports fans who've been stomped on for gears. My. My question is, what happens if they go out and look the same?
John
That's what I'm saying.
Dale
If they go out and look the same now all of a sudden it's like, ASU loses. Here we go. Here we go again.
John
I didn't realize this, and you brought this up a while ago, and I think it's absolutely true. Arizona sports can't have nice things. Arizona State finally got some recognition after last year. Dillingham's the thing. And I didn't ever put this. I've never seen a team of mine right. Have this happen to them. And I've never seen something I'm like, kind of passively interested happen to them. It hurt me to watch the Mississippi State fans pull the goal posts down and march them out.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
Beating you meant something.
Dale
They won one game last year.
John
Beating you meant. That's a terrible football program.
Dale
Yes.
John
And this. And ASU not only struggled, but lost. And then it wasn't like it was a fluke. They looked bad through. They looked evenly matched from kickoff on.
Guest 2
And going into that game, Kirk Herbstreet picked the upset.
Guest 1
Oh, did he?
John
Oh, my goodness. Because Arizona State's. But then you watch a team goal post, you. That can either motivate a team or just send you into absolute freefall. And I hate to say it, Dale, you've been right the whole time. Can ASU repeat this?
Dale
No, that's the way. And I'm cheering for them. For the first time in my life, as Frank Kush didn't recruit me, I'm cheering for them. And I love the coaching staff, but again, the quarterback. Are you Heisman Trophy?
John
No, that's over.
Dale
Heisman Trophy.
John
That's over.
Dale
Really?
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
It scares me to death. And now you look at the Cardinals. I think the Cardinals are going to be fine.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
I think the 49ers, they're old. They've already. They're already missing guys. I think that NFC west is going to be very interesting. But I think the Cardinals have a chance.
John
I think they can win that.
Dale
Now they go out there and poop the bed on Sunday, then it's like.
John
Oh, my, they proved me wrong last Sunday. Because I was watching and I'm like, I had this team taking the next step and maybe winning this division.
Dale
Right?
John
And then I watched him and I'm like, they're not doing it.
Host
Not going with that now.
John
Well, I still think if you're based on week one, right, Week one, they're not.
Dale
But that's.
John
I mean, that's it.
Guest 2
Week one.
John
Exactly.
Dale
Morning sickness.
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Dale
Holmberg's Morning Sickness.
John
Is it possible that we've already had the best game of the year?
Dale
Buffalo ball.
John
Yeah, Buffalo, Baltimore. If that was a Super bowl, it would be the greatest super bowl ever played. That was unreal.
Dale
Now, was it good to you because it was high scoring, exciting and all that, or is it good because The Baltimore Ravens lost because I watched Lamar.
John
Jackson start to cry again. I love sad Lamar Jackson. I love even more. And I took the time to do it the next day to make sure I sat through all 30 minutes of John Harbaugh's press.
Dale
Did you really?
John
Of course I did.
Dale
How do you even find these things.
John
On the Internet, Dale? They invented this thing in the 90s, and it's, like, amazing how much information is in here. It's like encyclopedias came to life, Dale. But, yeah, I went to that, and I watched the whole press conference and all the questions and all the pain in his eyes.
Dale
Joy. Great joy. You texted Nash and I and you said you actually get more enjoyment out of a Raven's loss.
John
Not even close. Not even.
Dale
Truth.
John
It's not the truth. Even close. The Ravens losing, especially in that. Absolutely. Themselves on tv on the highest. On the highest rated show in America.
Dale
No, it's not the highest rated.
John
Yes, it is.
Dale
Well, you know what the highest rated show last week was? No Star.
John
What was it? Thursday beat Sunday?
Dale
Well, if they set records for Thursday night.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
Not Sunday Was the number one show.
Dale
Just put the star every time.
John
Calm down. Sunday night.
Guest 1
No.
John
And Dallas was. What do you think of that? Yeah, they were impressive.
Dale
I. For all they've been through, the number one. They. They impressed me. They're more physical up front, but I'm also sitting here going, the loss doesn't bother me. They're on the road, Philadelphia and all that, but Carter being out. And I told this story. So I was starting for the Buffalo Bills. We're playing the Raiders late in the season. We're going to the AFC playoffs in 1988. And Howie Long is questionable now how he wants to be lined up over.
John
Maybe homosexual.
Dale
No, questionable is for the game.
John
Oh, I see.
Dale
And he had a calf injury. He had a calf injury, and he's gonna be lined up over me a lot.
John
Okay.
Dale
And for those of you who don't know Howie Long, you're not old enough probably, to remember it's the same age as me. He's a pretty good defensive line. He's a pretty good defensive line.
Host
I look that much better.
Dale
Little baby face, 35.
Host
That was a dig on you.
John
There's Dale, Hell's favorite. Thanks for coming in.
Dale
But he was questionable all week, so I don't know if I'm going against him or is Schlopp back up, which, you know, I've got my fingers crossed.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
How he's acting the backup.
Guest 1
Right.
Dale
He's Holberg's Back in Howie Long. Oh, you wouldn't want that.
John
That little nightmare.
Dale
And I'll never forget walking out pre game and seeing how he in street clothes. I went, oh, yes sir. When Jalen Carter Coward on Dak Prescott and he didn't play one down in that game. I promise you. Center and the two guards for the Cowboys exhale. We're very excited.
John
Huge exhale.
Dale
Now. What are you showing over there?
John
Just got an email. He needed to see the. It's a thing to have him pull something up.
Dale
Okay.
John
The Cowboys won that game.
Dale
Yes.
John
And then CD Lamb dropped the ball twice. And that's when I start to wonder you had this on your team. Michael Irvin was never going to drop a clutch pass.
Dale
No.
John
Ever. And that. And it doesn't matter week one or otherwise. Michael Irvin never walked away going, I blew that one. Sorry guys.
Dale
Right.
John
So that's that difference between superstars car and like dude who you will never let you down. And what I saw was a lot of dudes who think they're that level and there is another step and they haven't hit it yet.
Dale
They're, they're. And. And that is one reason I try and tell everybody who I come in contact with because most people who are Alive in the 90s think Michael Irwin was arrogant. He was this, he was that. And you know the first down signs and all that. The reason it didn't bother us was because we knew how hard he worked during the week. We knew what a great teammate he was and he was not going to let you down. And you look at that Cowboy team. Jay Novichek, he never dropped a pass. Yeah, they call him Johnny Paycheck. Guaranteed first down, third and five. You're going to throw the ball to Jay. It's going to be a first down. Michael's not going to drop a pass. And so you have that kind of accountability to your team now. Again, it would have been a really, really good catch. But you pay a guy $25 million.
John
The one that he dropped, that was a big one. That was a. Like that's a tough catch. Another one hit him right in the.
Guest 1
Four and he dropped it.
John
And so I look at that and I think of Michael Irvin doing the.
Dale
First down thing and, and I piss everybody off.
John
Because I remember in the beginning of the game last Thursday, CD Lamb was shushing the Eagles crowd after he made a couple catches, got in the end zone. He's shushing him and I'm like, yeah, you're not Michael Irvin. So if you Drop a ball, this comes back and grabs you. And he dropped two.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
And Michael Irvin never, ever had to go, I was a jackass with all my, all my, you know, flamboyant crap. And then I dropped the clutch.
Guest 2
That's the difference I think in a lot of the play in the last. I mean with the way they do it. They, they get burned on 20 plays and the one they make, they're celebrating.
John
But the show by 30 points. But the showboating early. When you're a superstar, you have got to continue to be that all the time.
Dale
You better back it up.
John
He announced to me last week he doesn't have.
Dale
But now, I don't know if you saw this, but evidently he showed up the facility and was catching balls out of the jugs machine.
John
Good on. He has to Friday. But he doesn't have the mentality he can catch. He didn't need more jugs work.
Dale
Right.
John
He needs his brain done.
Dale
But see, because it was a clutch.
John
Time when he dropped the ball.
Dale
Let's see, Michael did that when there were not cameras around and people did not know it.
John
He did it all the time.
Dale
We knew it.
John
But, but Michael ever, never, Michael never would have dropped a ball and go, I need more jugs work. He would have, he did jugs work catching all of them or not. Yes, CD showed me. Oh, he's not mentally capable of handling the big moment. And that's just week one. That's not an overreaction though because he's not a new player. But that was a rookie, you'd give it to him.
Dale
But overall, I'm going to look at the Dallas Cowboys and say, I think this team is a 8, 9, 10 win team. I think they're going to be a little bit better than we thought they were going to be. But now sudden and again and you look at Jerry, nobody, nobody backs him. No, it's a, it's a Robert Sarver thing to where he didn't sign Amari Stoudemire.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
That ended up being a smart decision.
John
Eventually.
Dale
It's a five year, 100 million dollar deal. He played two years that were really, really good.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And the other three years. Yeah, the Knicks can pay him and whatever you, you paid to Ron Bland. And now he's out. Yeah, for a couple of weeks. You gave him a contract last week.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And it's like now what don't you become a little gun shy?
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
You know, things like, I'm not giving.
John
All that money with you, I gotta go to town. Dale's here. Dale's here. We missed you, Toledo.
Host
He missed you.
John
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Dale
And I.
John
And mine looks like garbage. Me too. So I'm thrilled about this one. We got diamond coatings and grinding. Get on that right now. You can head over there. What's the website? Brady diamond codings.
Guest 2
Diamond coatings.
John
AZ.com. there you go.
Guest 1
All right.
John
Head on over there and take a look at it. And they're awesome people too. Sean and John. Both of them are great. We'll get more Dale in just moments. It's 98.
Dale
KUPD. Holmberg's Morning Sickness. What?
John
We got a song.
Dale
Yeah.
Guest 1
Whoa.
John
You want to hear a song? Yeah.
Guest 1
This is a good song.
John
You want to hear this?
Dale
I don't think I do.
John
Let's see if you like this. This is the country song I think I can get behind.
Dale
Do you know this?
John
Do you know this person? If you recognize who this is.
Dale
Sounds like a pretty girl.
Guest 1
Jesus.
John
That was a ridiculous person.
Singer
I was sunnin in the yard wearing cutoffs and a grin trying to make get ready Slide your hardwood in Come on. You pulled up smiling with a 12 inch treat I said boy, that ain't gonna fit between my cheeks he said don't worry darlin' but that monster look like it came from a rodeo Too much pole for my whole.
John
Do you recognize this song? Too much pole for my whole Dale.
Dale
I can say it's not been on K and I x lately. No. No.
John
It's not your favorite country song.
Dale
Too much pulp. It might become one.
John
Would you ever play this for Brooke?
Dale
No. Why?
John
You both love country music.
Dale
Holmberg and certain songs Brooke will never hear or see.
Host
This was from Molly Farton.
John
Molly Farton sings this?
Dale
No. You don't know.
John
She's a country music legend.
Dale
But I like her. I go look her up.
John
Country music hall of fame.
Dale
She's pretty. Are you kidding me? Come on, Johnny.
John
It's Molly Farton. Too much pole for my hole. There she is right there.
Dale
I think that. I think that you would like country music of Molly.
John
I would have a date night. Let me tell you this. I would for sure if the only way to like country music was this. Which is artificial intelligence. This is all fake.
Dale
Oh.
Guest 1
Yep.
Dale
Oh, well.
Guest 1
That's.
Dale
That's disappointing, man. Did he deflate? That's disappointing.
John
You killed him.
Dale
Yeah, you didn't have to tell me that.
John
Yeah, we did.
Dale
Dale, did you look up Molly Fart? No.
Guest 1
No.
John
I should have waited for that.
Host
Anymore from her.
John
See if you find her greatest hits.
Guest 1
If you could.
Guest 2
How many friends you think you would have sent that to?
John
Oh, my Go. And you won't play that for your wife as a. Like a fun joke between the two of you?
Guest 1
No.
John
Too much pull for my hole.
Dale
Brooke wouldn't laugh at that. She lives there.
Guest 1
Oh.
Dale
You know what I'm saying, Johnny?
John
Well, yeah, she does know Michael Irving. Yeah, that's true. She has seen too much pull for the hole. Get out of here with.
Dale
No, you've seen too much.
John
I haven't seen it. I've heard about it.
Dale
Oh, I thought you saw it in the shower.
John
No, that was that Brad Marcus guy.
Dale
Yeah.
John
He came running out of the shower. Ghost fighting goes.
Dale
Everybody run.
John
Pole shock.
Dale
No, he was actually staring. And Troy and Michael were talking, and he was staring, and he looked at that. He saw them. They both just got out of the shower. And he realized his jaw was open.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And he turned.
John
Not wide enough.
Dale
He turned real quick, and the security guard was standing right behind him with his jaw.
John
What is that?
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
That's got to be awful.
Dale
Yeah, I mean, you don't want to go through life.
John
How far away was Michael's locker from yours?
Dale
Probably about 15, 20 yards.
John
So.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
It would still hit you.
Dale
He would walk through the middle of the locker room without a towel on, without anything on, and he would. He would let things hang out.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And all I had to do to him is go, hey, Michael. Michael, have you put on a couple pounds? Because he had to weigh 209 or something. Was the weight he had always. And he'd look at me seriously. And I got him probably 15 times in 10 years. He'd run in, he'd get on the scale, he'd come back on. Helly, you got me again.
John
But you just wanted to see him run around with that dog.
Dale
No, I just wanted him to be a little less confident, for crying out loud.
John
Yeah, that is the confident booster.
Guest 1
Yeah. All right.
Dale
Imagine you with that, with a. Don't be unbearable.
John
With a big.
Dale
Yeah, you'd be unbearable.
John
So, you know, it's pretty close because I'm just barely unbearable.
Dale
Zach doesn't count.
John
Zach does count. Sack count. A great band name. Sack counts. Molly Farton opens for Sack counts.
Dale
I like that.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
So talking football With Dale.
Guest 1
And then.
John
So what was your takeaway? Like, what team did you walk away from week one and say, oh, there's something or one that you're like, oh, that's going to be. And the Dolphins, I think everybody just walked away and said, I think that whole game, Indianapolis was like, who are they?
Dale
Right.
John
But is it because they're playing that horrible Dolphins mess, or are the Dolphins. Did they just get smacked around by a team that nobody expects?
Dale
The thing about Mike McDaniel is he's. He's a great quote. He's. He's kind of fun and all that. And that works for. For a year or two.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And then once the players start realizing they're kind of want. Running the show, which they are now.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
Things are gonna go downhill quickly there. Holmberg's morning sickness. Indianapolis. I don't know what to think of them. I. You look that seriously. Pittsburgh putting up as many points as.
John
34 and playing kind of sloppy to do it.
Dale
Right. I mean. Yeah, you got to be. If you're a Steelers fan, you have to be somewhat excited because in years past, it'd be 21 to 17.
John
Tempered excitement.
Dale
Yes. Yeah.
John
We put up 34 points, won the game and played bad.
Dale
Right.
John
Defense was horrible and just horrible.
Dale
And obviously Aaron Rodgers made it through the game. He's. I saw him interviewed after the game.
John
He's.
Dale
He almost seems like he's matured 10 years in a year. When I hear him talk now, he's.
John
He's seemingly okay.
Dale
Yeah.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And again, that. That could change in a week. But I'm just saying, as of right now, I don't know, he seems. He seems to enjoy Pittsburgh. He looks weird in that uniform.
John
It is strange. Well, I remember when Tony Dorsett was a Bronco for half an hour and Franco Harris was Cardinal. Smith was a Cardinal. It doesn't hit. Even Peyton Manning was weird for a while as a Bronco, and then that got normal.
Dale
Right.
John
But you see, Joe Namath was a charger or a ram or something like that. OJ Simpson was a 49er and then a murderer. It all seems so strange, right? Yeah. Joe Montana is a chief, and then he ends up in the championship game. Like, some of those guys work. Brady is a buccaneer, but when you see Aaron and the Steelers thing, it does really well.
Dale
The black and gold just. It's a unique look.
Guest 1
Yeah. Yeah.
Dale
You know, and. But again, you put up 30 plus points in your first game.
John
Only two games went over 60 on the under overs.
Dale
Okay.
John
Which was the Ravens and Bills and the Steelers and jets.
Dale
What's that, 4140?
Guest 1
I don't know.
John
So much heaven.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
So much joy. And I really. I'm sitting there and I just remember I was in a room of people and somebody goes, john, stop. And I'm like, I masturbated.
Guest 1
I.
John
We have company. Didn't even realize. I didn't even know, guys. So sorry.
Dale
Were you being a Charles Haley?
John
Oh, I. Charles Haley. I just gave the old tugaroo and look and I finished. I'm like, I'm not stopping. This is the greatest. This is the greatest adult film I've ever watched. Derrick Henry just fumbled in. Lamar is sad. I am thrilled.
Dale
Now, how about Derek Henry?
John
Awesome.
Dale
God, no, no. I take away the fumble. No, I won't. 180 yards rushing.
John
So what?
Dale
Are you kidding me?
John
That's awesome. I can run for 180 yards and then crap all over myself too.
Dale
Awesome. No, you can't.
John
You get it. Once you're out, run for 180 yards and just go. I'm dog tired.
Guest 1
What?
John
He force gumped at the end. I'm done running here. Gave the ball back. That was great. Oh, what a.
Dale
What an opening weekend.
John
What an opening weekend.
Dale
Steelers win, Ravens lose.
John
Oh, God. It's just fun to say it. Arizona State plays this weekend. I don't know who. If they lose, what happens? Does it all. Does it all go away? Does all of last year's goodwill and fun. They lose this week.
Dale
Yeah. If they lose this week, it's all over. Yes.
John
You've erased last year.
Dale
Last year it goes away immediately. Texas State and they struggle as Texas State. Last year they did.
John
I remember watching Texas State and that was early in the year when middle of the year, I guess. But people were kind of like, is ASU any good? That was the game I was watching. And I'm like, this Cam Scatter boo is legitimately good. I remember watching a year before and saying, there's a guy ASU has that you can't take your eyes off of.
Dale
Yeah.
John
And then last year against that team, I was like, oh, my. Like, this kid is ridiculous.
Dale
But they somehow came back to win that Texas State game on the road. Whereas against Mississippi State looked like they were coming back. And then they give up the big touchdown.
John
In fact, they had to keep coming back with that. So if they lose, though. And is that how fast it is? As fans will just. It raced last year completely. ASU goes away again. And they were so close to the.
Dale
Spotlight and they Were so close. They're exciting team to watch. They had national, but they're on the top 25 or they lose one game, they're gone. They're gone.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
And if they would happen to lose against Texas State, then, I mean, again, it just goes back to me. We can't have nice.
John
Can't have nice things. Now, did you see the thing about the top 25 voter in college football rankings? That was a woman who had it. Was it Florida who lost? And she moved him up, too.
Dale
I did see that.
John
And. And people are like. And she's like, ah, what are you gonna do? It's got a system. And it's like, I'm reading a lot of comments on that and said, how.
Dale
Did she get a vote?
John
How did.
Dale
How did this lady. How did they pick her?
John
Yeah, well, how did it. Why?
Dale
Yeah, yeah. I mean, they could have picked Toledo, for crying out loud. You watch college football.
John
Was she the only woman?
Dale
No, I think there's more than one.
John
Okay, good. That's what I was wanting to know. Cause if there's more than one, it's okay. But if she's the only one.
Dale
Oh, that.
John
She's just Amelia Earhart at her job. That's going to be dudes forever.
Dale
It's amazing in this day and age how. How you can. How you can find that out. That's the one voter who did that immediately, you know? Yes.
John
Anyway, Dale, I want to do a thing here real quick where we're going to. We're going to build a parlay, a fanduel parlay.
Guest 1
Okay?
Dale
And I get the winnings and.
John
No, we'll split them. I'll pay for it, but. No, we're not splitting anything. Do it yourself. We'll build the parlay. You either get involved or you don't. No, you're sponsored. You've got diamond coatings and grinding as your sponsors now, so use some of that money. Dale's here because of them and going to have a better basketball court because. And it isn't even. That basketball court was bad. They have the special stuff. Oh, my God, I'm so excited it starts.
Dale
I can't wait to get my garage done.
John
Oh, your garage?
Dale
Yeah.
John
Well, you got to call them, dad. You got to make it happen. I want to do a parlay where each of us pick our own team, right? And then we build that parlay based on facts, whether or not we can do it. Brady will start with the Bungles.
Guest 2
Got a cat fight this weekend.
John
The Panthers Jags Go Panthers in Arizona, huh?
Guest 2
Nope.
Dale
Panthers in Arizona.
John
Oh, they're here.
Guest 1
Oh, okay. Yeah. All right.
John
Jags, Bengals, who do you got?
Dale
Ooh, Jags.
Guest 2
It's in Cincy.
John
Jump up and get you.
Guest 2
Jags aren't didn't look too bad. I, I, I gotta go with Cincy.
Dale
Going with your bang after that seven yard second half that they have.
John
Yeah. All of seven yards.
Guest 2
I think that's gonna change this week.
John
That's pretty safe bet right there. Over under on yards in the second half. Eight, I guarantee 14.
Guest 1
Yeah. All right.
John
They're gonna double it.
Dale
$150 million when the quarterback and two receivers.
John
Your Bears. Who they playing? The Lions in Detroit.
Host
Yeah.
Dale
Lions are gonna be mad.
John
Do you pick your team and put it in our parlay? Are you kind to the parlay?
Dale
Are you are. Do you want the parlay to win?
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
Or is your pride gonna cost us money?
John
Exactly.
Guest 1
Pride.
John
You're going pride. You're picking the Bears.
Host
Only because I'm watching and watching the game with one of my good friends. Lions fan.
Guest 1
I can't.
John
When you say pride, that's what you call a group of Lions. Maybe you pick the pride.
Host
I'm taking the Bears.
Dale
Ah, the point spreads.
John
I think it's six on that one.
Guest 2
It's six and a half.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
Okay, thanks. Well, there goes our parlance.
John
Who the Cowboys play. I don't even know who they go. They got the Giants in New York. No in doubt. Okay.
Dale
Four and a half easy.
John
They're four and a half. You're going to take your team?
Dale
Oh, yeah. How can you not after that showing last Thursday? They got 10 days off.
John
I got a tough one. Steelers have the Seahawks in Pittsburgh. That's a tough one. Seahawks are pretty good. They're pretty good.
Host
I'll take Steelers, though.
John
I'm gonna take the Steelers because they're gonna win better than what you do.
Dale
I would take the Steelers. I would take the Lions. I would take the Lions.
John
He's the only one screwing us up.
Dale
Screwing us out of money.
Guest 1
All right.
John
You might be screwing us out of money. I'll put it in.
Dale
I think, I think that there should be some penalty if you pick your team.
John
Yes.
Dale
And that's what loses the parlay.
John
Exactly.
Dale
There got to be some punishment.
John
Your quarter of the parlay. Whenever we do win, you're the ones that you screwed up.
Dale
Okay.
John
I like that.
Host
Okay. I like that.
John
And that's true for all of us. Seahawks beat the Steelers. It's like I'm down 25 of the 100.
Guest 1
Yes.
Host
Okay, fine.
John
I Like I'm good with that.
Guest 1
All right, we can do that.
John
You all right with that?
Host
I'm all right with that.
Guest 2
It's a plus 1,077.
John
How about this? This if you're the lone wolf that loses the parlay, you owe the other guys 25 bucks.
Dale
I like that.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
Even if the parlay loses just based on you.
Dale
You only.
John
You pay the other guys 25 bucks.
Dale
You pick the damn Bears against you pay us back.
John
That I like a lot. That's if you're the lone wolf, which you are staring directly at.
Dale
This one could happen.
John
Seahawks could be steal.
Dale
Well, you could work the overnight and cover that.
John
Catch him. No, no, I wouldn't. Would take a month overnight. All right, so this one says you can't meet Dale's wife, but he'll gladly take your handouts every Thursday. F you, Dale. Yeah, that's true.
Dale
You don't want to meet my wife anyway.
John
I would love to meet you. I would love to meet her and give her Dr. J. Schwartz's card. And then I have a therapist that she should probably want to see. No chance at all. Never.
Dale
You can meet my son in law.
John
You can meet your son in law's as acerbic and awful as I am.
Dale
Yeah, but he knows how. He knows how to play the game.
John
So do I.
Dale
No, you don't.
John
Still, I would be such a gentleman to your wife.
Dale
You will walk away, but the whole time my stomach would be.
John
I know.
Dale
That's why I want to go use the C word. Just to be a jerk.
John
I don't. He does that normally.
Host
It's not just to be a jerk. That's every day.
Dale
Boone Valley. I invite you out to a nice country club and you're talking to the car girl. And I said the C word. Acceptable.
John
I said the C word and she goes by. C word you mean. And I said. And she said, oh, yeah, that's what I thought. And then she opened her mouth and started to try to kiss me. I'm like, no, that can't happen. I said, I know you're excited because all these old men are afraid of me.
Dale
I got three notes from the management company. You got nothing. Can you allow the Holberg out here again? Your membership's rich.
John
No, that's not true. All I have to do is go over there and be racist for a second. They'll welcome me right back in. It's a country club. I love racism. Well above the seaweed. And baseball. Do you even care? Do you watch the Dodgers with their.
Dale
You know, Diamondbacks are only three and a half games out of one card. Remarkable.
Guest 1
Yes.
Guest 2
And there's 20 games.
John
Tory Lavello is the most underrated. Give me nothing. I'll do something with it. I'll at least keep you average.
Dale
But it's one of those things like John and you know this, the fact that, hey, if a football team's out of the playoffs and all of a sudden they win three of their last four games.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
Everybody's like, oh, this is gonna build up for next year.
John
Does it?
Dale
Not really.
Guest 1
Yeah.
John
I.
Dale
Are they playing better? Because there's no expectations. When you go into the season with expectations. But then you look at it. They've lost 92 people.
Guest 1
Yeah.
Dale
You know, a lot of their really good players. They traded away people.
John
They're always competitive.
Guest 1
Yes.
John
And that says something about who's in charge because it's different guys all the time. That's a. That's a. That's a team that just doesn't get incredible.
Dale
Now your sons. I can't believe you're going to re.
John
Up your already did.
Dale
Rah rah la la.
John
I don't know if I'm going to do any of it. I'll go. I like to. I like Anthony and my. My crew and Kevin is fun. And I, I. You're right. Just. Let me just say you're right. It's going to be. It's going to be a slog, but we'll go. We'll have some fun.
Guest 1
Go for it.
Dale
Why get invited back this year if you bring Brooke? Absolutely not.
John
Can I take Brooke to a sun. Can I take your wife to a.
Dale
Sun up in front of my house. Oh, my God.
John
In a little bow tie. Flowers. Can I take Brooke to a sunscape? Why can't I get to know her without you? Then you wouldn't be nervous.
Dale
I. I'd be. My stomach. I'd be throwing up. I'm more nervous than playing the Super Bowl.
Guest 1
All right.
John
We got an entertainment drill coming up. Dale's done it. We've got our picks in. We'll put them up online. You can get in on with us, but that doesn't mean Brett has to pay you. Just us. When his Paris lose. It's 98. He's out of control now. PJ.
Date: September 11, 2025
Host: John Holmberg with Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo
Special Guest: Dale Hellestrae (Former Dallas Cowboys Offensive Lineman)
Episode Focus:
Discussion of NFL Week 1 reactions, Arizona sports culture, player mentality, and Week 2 parlay picks.
The team welcomes former Dallas Cowboys offensive lineman Dale Hellestrae for “Thursdays with Dale,” diving into reactions from NFL Week 1, the characteristic hopes and heartbreaks of Arizona sports fans, how players respond to early season performances, and fun predictions for Week 2 via a group parlay pick. The signature banter between John and Dale keeps things irreverent and candid, with memorable anecdotes from Dale’s career.
The episode is irreverent, candid, and playful, blending locker-room humor with genuine football insight. Dale brings first-hand player perspective and classic NFL stories, John delivers sharp Arizona sports commentary, and the running banter provides both laughs and local color.
For listeners who missed the show:
This episode features NFL insights you won't find on TV, classic inside stories, and Arizona sports perspectives—with plenty of laughs along the way. Whether you care about the Cardinals, Cowboys, or just love football talk that doesn’t take itself too seriously, this one’s a can’t-miss.