09-12-25 - Trump Announced They Have Found The Man Who Shot Charlie Kirk - Reminding People How Dangerous Social Media Can Be In Times Like This To Mind What You Post

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Holmberg's Morning Sickness (Arizona)

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Main Topic: The Charlie Kirk Shooter, Social Media’s Dangers, and the Pitfalls of Online Speech

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Overview

In this vibrant and topical episode, John Holmberg and the crew (Brady Bogen, Brett Vesely, and Dick Toledo) dive into breaking news about the alleged arrest of the man suspected of shooting Charlie Kirk. The conversation quickly evolves into a broader discussion about how major incidents ignite conspiracy theories, the pitfalls of social media during emotionally charged events, and why the consequences of online speech are more serious than many people realize. The team’s trademark humor weaves through frank opinions and societal commentary, offering both laughs and food for thought.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking News: Charlie Kirk Shooter Update

• Trump announces on Fox News that authorities believe they have the shooter in custody.
  • [01:22] John Holmberg relays the developing story, emphasizing how quickly news breaks in modern media.
• Crew discusses viral videos showing the suspect limping away near Utah Valley University.
  • [01:30–03:00] The hosts jokingly “profile” the shooter’s age based on his physical agility leaping off a roof, humorously reflecting on their own aging bodies.

“You can’t jump off a chair and not have your knees go, ‘Hold on.’”
— John Holmberg [01:54]

2. Age, Agility, and Relating to Viral Videos

• Joking about the pain of getting old, they recount times when their bodies were more flexible.
  • [03:37] Brett Vesely: “We were at the bar last night watching the game…you could just hear all the people our age: ‘Is he okay?’”
• Holmberg shares funny childhood stories about flexibility and embarrassing parental moments.
  • [05:19] “I can still pull my toe to my mouth to chew my big toenail off if I need to. Yeah, I know, it’s disgusting.” – John Holmberg

3. Physical Aging and Life’s Humbling Truths

• Old man “body quirks”—knee pain, slow recovery after falls, mysterious sleep injuries, and, humorously, issues finishing urination.
  • [07:11] “You’re never done peeing. You think you’re done peeing, but you’re never done peeing.” – John Holmberg
• All agree: watching the suspect leap—painful to see for anyone over 35.

4. Conspiracy Theories and How We Cope with Random Violence

• The tendency to suspect conspiracies is discussed in the wake of shocking events.
  • [10:52] Holmberg: “People hate the idea that one lone lunatic can change the course of life. They hate it. We need to be more important than that.”
• They compare the present event to historical assassinations (JFK, Lincoln) and why society resists accepting the randomness and fragility of life.

5. Role of Social Media in the Chaos

• Comment on a viral video where people theorize about possible accomplices based on innocuous gestures (e.g., “touching the tip of his cap”).
  • [09:44] “That’s also a terrible signal because how many times you grabbed your hat just to move it?”
• Touches on the speed and reach of misinformation due to social media immediately after an incident.
• TMZ lauded as oddly accurate with breaking news, blending the serious and the salacious:
  • [12:01] “TMZ doesn’t make too many mistakes…then you find yourself looking at Sydney Sweeney’s cans.”

6. Surveillance, Cameras, and the Illusion of Security

• Despite widespread technology, private cameras often fail to provide clear images when needed (Bigfoot, Loch Ness jokes).
  • [18:04] “We can see spacecraft…get a shot of a guy walking by a house and it’s like, well, it’s grainy video.”

7. Social Media Cautionary Tales and the Cost of Speech

• Real-life example: Phoenix Suns reporter Gerald Bourguet fired after posting inflammatory opinions about Kirk’s death on his personal and work social media.
  • [20:23–25:10] Leads to a deep discussion about “respondiat superior”
    • If employed by someone, your off-hours public speech can cost you your job if it brings negative attention.
• General advice:
  • [23:47] “If your social media page is tied to your work and you decide to take a political stance that has nothing to do with what you do, you can be fired for it.”

“That’s why I hate social media. You might have an emotional day, you might have a reaction that’s dumb…next thing you know, you’ve changed the world—yours. You end up on your ass looking for work.”
— John Holmberg [24:05]

8. Freedom of Speech vs. Freedom from Consequences

• Listeners write in about social media firings; hosts emphasize First Amendment protects citizens from government censorship, not company discipline.
  • [33:04] “Freedom of speech, yes. Not freedom from consequences.” – Isaiah (listener read by Brett Vesely)
• Analogy: Public outbursts at a steakhouse vs. voicing opinions online; only difference is the size of the audience and permanence.

9. Societal Polarization and the Lure of Social Media

• Social media gives people a false sense of importance.
  • [33:41] “It’s a coward’s way of getting something across.”
• You wouldn’t say certain things out loud in person, but people do easily online.

10. Practical Social Media Advice

• If you must say something controversial, use someone else’s account (tongue-in-cheek suggestion).
  • [35:55] “Give your password to your buddy. Whenever you have something crazy to say, say it from his page…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On conspiracy theories:
  “We hate the idea that it just could have been a guy who woke up one morning and said, ‘I’m going to do this.’ We hate it.” – John Holmberg [13:22]
• On social media consequences:
  “It gives you a false sense of importance every time you spew something.” – John Holmberg [28:52]
• Brett’s insight:
  “Freedom of speech. Yes. Not freedom from consequences.” – Read by Brett Vesely [33:04]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:22] Breaking news on Charlie Kirk shooter and viral video discussion.
• [03:37–05:43] Reflections on flexibility, aging, and funny body stories.
• [10:52] Explaining why people turn to conspiracy theories in moments of tragedy.
• [12:01] News and misdirection: TMZ coverage mashups.
• [20:23] Social media-related firings: the Suns’ Gerald Bourguet example.
• [23:47–25:10] “Respondiat superior” and the advice to be cautious online.
• [33:04] Listeners weigh in; “Not freedom from consequences.”
• [35:55] Satirical social media “hacks” for dodging the consequences.

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Tone and Style

• Authentic, candid, unfiltered: True to Holmberg’s reputation for blunt humor and unsparing honesty.
• Conversational and lively: Back-and-forth banter, relatable anecdotes about aging, strong perspectives on societal trends.
• Cautionary with comedic relief: While the subject is serious, their levity keeps the episode engaging.

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Conclusion

Holmberg and crew dissect the immediate aftermath—both real and virtual—of a major public shooting, stressing that in times like these, society’s response on social media can be as damaging as any physical action. The main takeaways: life is unpredictable, conspiracy theories don’t solve our discomfort with that fact, and what you say online, even off-hours, can cost you dearly. Above all, keep a sense of humor as you age—and watch what you post.

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Transcript

[Brett Vesely]

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[John Holmberg]

Good morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Friday. It is 5:45 is the morning. My name's John. There's Freddie, there's Brett, there's big Dick Toledo. And once you think you've escaped the deal for a couple of days, you feel a little bit better. Football happened. All things moved on. You sit down to do your job and you get more news. They think, they think that they have the Charlie Kirk shooter in custody. That is a Trump told Fox News. That's how he's like breaking news now constantly. So he said, you're pretty sure with high degree of certainty. We have custom or custody. We worked with the local police, the governor. Everybody's done a great job. So possibly that dude is now in custody. All those videos that came up, Brett and I were just talking, we were talking about before the videos that came out throughout right around the neighborhood around Utah Valley University. And then he's just walking around limping with that, possibly with a gun in his pants. And then you knew, like, you don't have to be that bright to find out, okay, this guy's like 24, 25 years old. Because when he jumps off that holding and lands he Goes full Johnny bench squat. He goes into a catcher squat and pops right back up. I'm like, everyone who's been over the age of 35 knows that you can't do that anymore. That just. You can't. You can't jump off of a chair and not have your knees go, hold, hold. Wait for a second. Okay, we're okay. Let's go.

[Freddie]

On top of that, Remember the sting and the feet. Even if you.

[John Holmberg]

But when you're young, you just fall off at buildings and hit the ground and spring back up when that dude jumped off that building. Like, all right, we're looking for somebody 25 or younger or a slinky who. Maybe 28. I'll go as high as 28. Your knees start talking to you, not in an angry way. At 30, when you start landing funny, you don't get up the same. It's just this weird, slower rise. Now, look, right now, if you're over 40 years old, I challenge you today to some time or another, stand on whatever chair it is you normally sit on and look at the ground and tell me it doesn't look like it's 6,000ft from you. It's so hard to leap off of a thing and trust yourself.

[Brett Vesely]

We were at the bar last night watching the game, and it was. Somebody showed the video, and you could just hear all the people our age.

[John Holmberg]

Is he okay? Like, you start to get concerned about it because your knees hurt so bad watching that. Oh, God. Oh, he broke two ankles. And then he gets up and you're like, oh, he's 20, 25 years old. Shut up. He can't possibly be. He can't possibly be older. It is a. It was a fact. I was playing golf with Dale a couple weeks ago, and his. His nephew was there, and the kid could hit a golf ball well, but noticing that his follow through, he's almost facing the other way. His hips can go almost all the other way around. Like, my God, what is he? He's like a pipe cleaner, this guy. And he was like, I don't know, in his 20s, some early 20s. And. And I'm like, you know what the good news about this Dale is? Cause every time we saw this kid move, he was like, everything he did was a little bit not right. Madeline downstairs, when she worked here, would get out of her chair on purpose to sit on her own ankles. That was more comfortable. Like a bird she perched on. You'd walk by and she' like, kind of like, what are you doing? Then her feet were flat. Your Achilles Is going to explode.

[Freddie]

Occasionally there'd be an egg underneath.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. What it looked like she'd like. She was. And I remember walking by and I'm like, oh. And then Nikki downstairs reminded me. She goes, she's young. And I'm like, oh, they can do those things. You can't. Because you can't. You just can't. You can stretch and do anything you want. It just. Your body just says, we're not. We're not doing that. But flat foot sitting on your own ankles with your knees bent all the way to the ground, and your feet. Knees are practically. They're hovering above the ground, touching the front of your toe. It's just. It's impossible to imagine.

[Freddie]

Crisscross applesauce is out of the equation for me.

[John Holmberg]

I like crisscross applesauce still. And I'm pretty proud that I can do it. And I can still pull my toe to my mouth to chew my big toenail off if I need to. Yeah, I know it's disgusting. I don't do it. But I used to be able to do that when I was a kid. I used to be able to put, like a good whore, my leg over my head and, you know, the. The new hips. Pretty darn close to being able to do that again. And then I realized, why do I care to do. And then I stopped doing it.

[Brett Vesely]

Dan was just shaking his head.

[John Holmberg]

What are you. I mean, you should say that. My dad walked in the room, we had a barbecue at the house. And my dad's. My dad's friends were all his work buddies. We moved so much that it was whoever he was pals with on the job site. He had a couple friends, and there was a guy named Rick DeJean. And I'll never forget the embarrassment in my world when Rick and I were in the main part of the house, sitting there together. And I was 12 or 13, maybe younger than that, I don't know. And my dad was outside working the grill, and he comes back in with the plate of burgers ready to go. And I'm in a room with Rick, and I have both of my legs behind my head. My dad goes, jesus Christ. And Rick's like, it's pretty amazing, isn't it? He goes, what the hell are you doing? Look, dad, like, get. Get out of here. And he just kind of basically kick me out with a burger in my hand, said, go do something else. I'm sorry, Rick. I believe he may be homosexual.

[Freddie]

Daddy.

[John Holmberg]

And I could walk.

[Brett Vesely]

I have two daughters on my ass.

[Freddie]

You could lift The.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, with my hands. Yeah. Oh, I could walk my hands, but I could literally, like, have my hands up and, like, walk with my ass. Sup my ass. Because my ass was so. It was. Yeah, but you're pliable when you're little. And then you get in your 20s, you can still do it. Late 20s, you say. Early 30s, your knees start going. Don't get up so fast. And then 40s, you're like. Like, I'm not. I better be careful. But, yeah, watching that guy jump off.

[Freddie]

That building grunt kicks in.

[John Holmberg]

Well, yeah, just a little. Here's another thing. But the things your parents never tell you, and I'll tell you, if you're not quite 40 yet, you're gonna start getting injured in your sleep, which is still unexplainably strange. And then, of course, for men, and I don't know if this is true for women, I never want to know. Is in your 40s, you're never done peeing. You think you're done peeing, but you're never done peeing. You gotta stand there for a good minute afterwards and shake out everything, because the second you put it back, it pukes out. A little more patience and you're walking around with a pee stain in your pants like, damn it, I've got the Aleutian Islands. Never wear khakis after. If you see a guy in khakis after 40, he's wearing diapers. Because there's no way you're confident enough to wear pants that show. Just not a thing.

[Brett Vesely]

He's wearing the Dockers.

[John Holmberg]

You know, I don't wear underwear. And I stand that toilet. No, I twist. I do everything I can. I'm lying standing over there. You guys may notice. I gotta go peek. People think I'm. People think I'm. That's not a bad idea to keep in the bathroom. Pretty good.

[Freddie]

It's your Hank.

[John Holmberg]

I have it in my pocket. Yeah, I don't need it. I don't need it for my. Yeah, it's a dick hanky. My dad used it to blow his nose and also would offer it to you if you needed it.

[Freddie]

You could do the same.

[John Holmberg]

Do the same now with my hanky. And oh, how the tables have turned, old man. But, yeah, that's. That's a fact. And then knee cracking Kyle brings that up. It's like, yeah, I don't know what age that starts, but he said, I'm 38. I work out regularly for 20 years. My knees cracked, nearly buckled when I tried to stand up from bed. It just Happens. And that's what I told Dale. I said about his nephew. I said, we're sitting here watching and marveling at this kid twisting around and bending in ways and golf that are just, like, miraculously kind of cool. And I said, but just know Dale and take comfort in this. Arthritis will get him, too, someday. It gets us all. And it is an age. It's not. You don't have to be that old to start feeling. It's 30. 30 is when you're like, I'm not. This is different. And then it stays that way for a while, and then you're just like, I'm not going to try some of this stuff. Me, when I. Looking at that video yesterday, I'm like, well, I know never to get on a roof again, because if that's how you have to get off of them, I ain't gonna make it. I. I would have been that guy screaming like, hey, ladder. Anybody? Help, Somebody. That's how I now know this was not a professional hit. Like, people were saying, he would have had someone put something down a ladder, something to climb on. He would have also had somebody take the how to change it, because they're like, oh, it's professionally at help. And I'm like, that video that's circulating with a guy who's touching the tip of his cap behind Charlie Kirk. Have you seen that one?

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah, I saw that. Like, he's. He's doing, like, catcher signs, and then.

[John Holmberg]

The other guy does an arm. They do arm brushes, and they're standing right behind him, and they're like, well, clearly they're giving a signal. And you know what? I hate to say it, maybe I don't buy it, but maybe. And the reason I don't buy it is because professional hitmen in a team aren't going to stand behind the guy getting shot.

[Freddie]

Yeah, like, you need the spotter by the target.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you need. You need to have a guy, like, they say. Say the JFK video, the dude with the black umbrella that shuts, it's like, okay, it's go time. It's a go. When the dude grabs the tip of his cap. And it's a baseball indicator. We used to do that in little leagues. Like, when I. The. When I grab the tip of my cap, the next sign is the one I want you to do. So they go through, like, 40 signs, but until he grabs the tip of his cap. And that's also a terrible signal because how many times you grabbed your hat, like, just to move it or to, like, somebody bumps you and you're like, yeah, it's a terrible signal. So I don't buy that. But if there were other people involved, he wouldn't have jumped off that roof. He wouldn't have had to carry his stuffs. He would have had a cleanup crew. I've seen enough.

[Freddie]

At least the way the setup was underneath that 10 by 10 10. It didn't look like he was being blocked by anything.

[John Holmberg]

People, I've said this before. This is why the JFK conspiracy is such a big deal. Still, people hate the idea that one lone lunatic can change the course of life. They hate it. We need to be more important than that. In our own brains. Things have to be more calculated. We can't be this fragile. Your brain just won't allow it that the course of history can't be changed by a single bullet. But I'll tell you what. World War I started because one dude decided to go bananas. That's it. I mean, there was a lot of animosity and political strife in the area, but one dude decided to say, archduke, I'm ending this. And it lifted the whole thing into a mess. So yes, we hate that. So we start conspiracies when it seems like life is so tragic and we find a guy who touches his cap. And you know what? There's also arguments that says maybe that's very possible that there were people that were trying to take them down. I don't know. But I look at the extra information.

[Freddie]

That always gets thrown out there from the tip of the cat to what? Whatever the. If there is truth behind the ammunition being.

[John Holmberg]

There is some written on their stuff.

[Freddie]

Yeah, but I. And I've heard. Well, we haven't actually confirmed it, but.

[John Holmberg]

Hey, you know what though? I'll say this. TMZ doesn't make too many mistakes. Yeah, they've become like the bastion of where you get your news first and then gets salacious. And then you find yourself looking at Sydney Sweeney's cans. Like even today I was looking this morning and TMZ had the. The casings have. Right. Pro trans writing and anti hate and stuff like that. And then the next story was Sydney Sweeney's hot shots. And it wasn't a matter of like few seconds, but I was. Was scrolling through Sydney Sweeney boob pictures and I'm like, wait a minute. I was just interested in the. How did that happen? I was literally interested in the thing I was reading and the boobs just took me right away. But yeah. So happy birthday, Sydney. Is it her birthday today? That' beautiful thing I also know it wasn't a pro hit, though, because you don't throw the gun into the woods and somebody doesn't pick it up. Pro hits are. I'm looking at Brett. Pro hits are when, you know, like, if Brett and I had a plan. Look, you get off that roof, drop the gun in this barrel. I come pick that barrel up. I put that away. There's a change of clothes in the back of this car. You get in this car, there's keys in that car for you. Like, especially knowing with all the cameras and ring cameras, he's not walking to that thing. Holmberg's morning S darkness. It's. There's a lot of video of.

[Freddie]

Unless you're taken out, that's no.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, then. Yeah, yeah. Then everybody just kind of goes. There's cleanup men afterwards. That's the part. So we hate the idea of a single individual saying, I'm gonna do this myself, and I'm gonna change the course of at least this portion of history. I'm gonna do it myself. We don't like that Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone. We don't want that dude changed the course of history. We hate the idea that it just could have been a guy who woke up one morning and said, I'm going to do this. We hate it. And more than likely, he didn't. There's an awful lot of arrows that point a different direction, but there's a pretty good chance people won't accept that he did. And after watching that video of that guy yesterday, man, it sure does look like this was just a dude on his own. The Guy said, I'm 49, and I am so glad I'm the only one who didn't feel the pain in his knees. The first time I saw the video of the killer jumping off the roof and landing the way he did hurt every. It hurt everyone. It was like a big hit in football. Oh, God. And I expected, because it would have been, in my case, him, to take a break for a few seconds in that lush. Looked like lush, soft Utah grass. I'm just gonna sit down here for a minute. That hurts. And then kind of stretch my knees out, maybe do a couple toe touches, and then maybe even a figure four stretch if I was on the ground. That's a nice, like, way to get the hamstrings back in action.

[Brett Vesely]

So you roll over. All right, guys, I did it.

[John Holmberg]

I'm sorry. I can't get up. You know, funny you say that. There's only been one assassin in the history of man who hasn't taken credit for his work. 1. And it was Lee Harvey Oswald. Yeah. Only one. Anytime an assassin with an agenda wants to singularly take someone out, they've. They've screamed the dude and they're, you know, same exact thing. When John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln, he screamed something out, held the gun in the air, then jumped off of the balcony onto the stage. Another. But he was in his 30s, so he broke his leg. We all did. It was not good. And he screamed out, semper something or other. I forget what it was, but semper fidelis. I don't think that was it. I think that's the. I don't remember what he said, but it was. They screamed something and then he. And he jumped off and landed on the state. They take credit for the work. Then he tried to get away, but they knew exactly who it was. And then when they caught him, he said, yeah. So when they ever catch a guy who does something and he says, I didn't do this. It's like an FBI thing to go. Assassins usually when they have a political motivation, take credit for it. They want to be the one that says, I ended this. And this is how it is. So we'll see. This dude's evidently in custody. I didn't want to go off on this morning. I was really thinking more about that video and how I rubbed Voltaren all over my knees even just watching that video. Like, let me just get some of this on there in case I fall out of bed or something or get off the couch. It's not easy. I. You know, you start. I don't know when that is. When you start asking for help up. It's 30s. I think you're in your 30s when somebody. When you want to get up in your. And. And it's a. It's known in with. Between wives and husbands. There's not even. It's unspoken communication that when. When she or he walks by, you put your arm in the air and they just grab it and give you a little balance back, a little counter so you can lift up and you're like, oh, I think I hurt myself asleep. That starts happening in your Ford.

[Brett Vesely]

I was waiting for after that video to basically have Shaq. So this video brought to you by Icy.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, Bad knees. I see how loud we're done. Ah. Shouldn't have made that jump. And at that point, you're just like, but there's going to be more video. There has to be. There's that much video. There's going to be more Video of that dude on the roof few days ago or at nighttime. He had to. The one thing that had to happen with this, as we all kind of become amateur sleuths. He had to be up there camping out. Camping out, seeing the sh. It's like when you go hunting. Gross phrase to use here. But when you go hunting, you scout. There's no question.

[Freddie]

You also get to, you know, especially you get to your spot before.

[John Holmberg]

Of course, that's scouting. You go to your spot and you look down and you go, all right, what's my best spot? And I. So I'm. I can X expedite this as quickly as possible. And what's my escape plan? And he had it. That dude was not new to that roof. So that's going to be some creepy video that I'm sure comes out sometime if the school has cameras everywhere. And always remember that future snipers of America. There are cameras everywhere. Everywhere. You can't park your car. The one next to you is probably recording it. You know, you're getting. You're getting videotaped somewhere along the lines. Everywhere you go.

[Freddie]

You can. UK in Europe was ahead of the game on that.

[John Holmberg]

All their TV shows in the uk check cctv.

[Freddie]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

They're. They're closed. Tell their TV stuff. But we've got it on that every light pole they've got has a camera just to see somebody walking around.

[Freddie]

I think it's the city of, like, Monaco has the most camera set up.

[John Holmberg]

And we got loads of them. But I mean, in this day and age, and I've complained about, we can see spacecraft. We can watch this thing that's millions of light years away that we're like, was that heading towards us? And we get good pictures of it and we touch them up. You get a shot of a guy walking by a house and it's like. Well, it's grainy video. We gotta figure out how to make. Because the cameras you have are decent so long as somebody's real close to them. We've got things. The technology of like a Circle K camera on the news. It's the same dude every time. Some blurry kind of odd guy in a hoodie.

[Freddie]

They're just not spending the money.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but that's the point. It's like, let's make them cheaper. Sure. Let's make the good ones a little cheaper for surveillance.

[Freddie]

So the Ring seems to be doing my Ring's.

[John Holmberg]

Ring's excellent. Yeah.

[Brett Vesely]

And it's cheap.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Ring is the one that's going to get this guy as he was limping along and rings are cheap. I got a good. I got a good one at my rental house. And it goes off all the time. And yeah, it's a cat or the wind blew or car went by. It drives you nuts. My phone. And then somebody rings the bell, ding, ding. And then there's just some guy just standing on the porch. And I start laughing because I ain't there, but I can talk to you. But we gotta, we gotta pump up the quality of a lot of these cameras and they're pretty amazing. So we'll find out more. If this guy was, you know, got.

[Brett Vesely]

All these cameras like that, that good. And we still can't get a good shot of Bigfoot. For God's sakes, what the hell?

[John Holmberg]

Or the Loch Ness. Yeah, yeah. In this day and age with lidar, we've got cars that don't have drivers because they can see everything up, down under, in of a bunch above. And we can't get messy once. This one says thinking it was conspiracy allows you to hold the entire party responsible, not just one man. Incredibly true. Incredibly true. And that's what people want to do. They want to. They want their side to be right and the other side to be wrong. I told you so. And the fingers start pointing again. We as a, As a entire society, we'll be united over something terrible for about two days. And then it starts getting real bad. This one probably just maybe we get another hour or two of being like, yeah, I know, I know. People already losing their jobs. The guy from the Phoenix Suns, I forgot his. What the heck was his name? He lost his job. Oh, what the hell was his name?

[Freddie]

I forgot the people that are speaking out.

[John Holmberg]

Gerald Borget Borg. Or get he started to post on the. Now, here's the thing, people in the comments. I was reading the comments after he basically was saying, saying, I'm not gonna. I don't see any need to support a terrible man. He didn't like him. He said, basically, he's like, if you're saddened by today's political violence or horrified by the video and repulsed by my response, ask yourself why your reaction is different when it came to that than school shootings, mass deportation, or hundreds of videos or horrific murders in Gaza, which Kirk cheered for. If you're sad, then he said, truly, I don't care if you think it's insensitive or poor timing to decline to respect an evil man who died. Too many of you are more concerned with being polite, appearing to be good, rather than showing some backbone and standing on principle, totally fine to feel that way if you'd like. I disagree with you. But you use the same platform that you use to give me information about sons and you have. You're employed by that group. This is, this is the message that people need to understand now, now more than ever. And this is the very reason I don't have social media. The very reason I don't. Is Afra phrase that I've always gone back to is respondiat superior. You are always under the thumb of your employer. Your behavior off hours is under review at all times. If in fact the employer can prove you've done damage to the company. Anything you do, especially in social media, you report, you go on tv, you say something stupid, you dress like Hitler at a Halloween party party. Everything you do for some, it goes.

[Freddie]

Back to when they are a teen.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I mean, that's where you. The fine line is if you're employed and you. I mean, that is a fine line. You can't. That's. That isn't. I was not employed by that company. Doesn't fall under this. But it's basically. And it's. The crazy part is it basically means voice of the master or something. I think that's it. Or word of the master is what it. When it's translated back, it's essentially saying don't, don't f. Around. Around on company time, on company stuff most of the time. And we don't because we're smarter than most. You don't take your company cell phone. You just don't. No way. Well, because they, they now have access to everything if they want it to say at midnight last night, you were, you were talking about Hitler and having a great time. And we don't want that. And it got to us. It got back to us. Now they're not allowed to just search through your phone, but if it did pop up on a phone, they can go, let's see your phone. And then it's there. And there's a lot of that. Like, and, and if your social media page is tied to your work and you decide to take a political stance that has nothing to do with what you do, you, you can be fired for it. It's a very real thing and people need to keep that in mind. And I have no problem with that dude saying what he said. I disagree with it. That's the whole point of this. You know, last few days, I, I think he's wrong. I think he overreacted with emotion, which is never good. And he's got a decent point in saying, you know, why is it different than when school shootings happen? Or why? And you know what? It's just because this dude needs to embrace the idea that some deaths affect community, some deaths affect society differently. Some are a bigger deal than others. We can't explain why. No one knows. But some become. It's more of a news cycle. The fact that we saw that video makes it more personal to most people than any other murder that happened a couple days ago. And it's scary. It also scares the hell out of people. So when you go on the thing that I normally go to or I follow you because you're a son's expert and a guy was really good at it and I find this, if he's employed by somebody other than himself, they have every right to go, no, you're not using our time on this. Now he can even do it if he had a, even if this was a problem private page, his own personal page, that had nothing to do with that. You start going off like that and you reflect badly on your thing. Just re. Look, look into it. Vicarious liability. It's, you know, you're always responsible for the guy who employs you with your behavior. Always. It's always. And that's why I hate social media. You might have an emotional day, you might have a reaction that's dumb. You might say something silly. I do it all the time. Time. And then you go on your social media thing and you thought, you think you're going to change the world with one sentence and next thing you know you've changed the world. Yours. You end up on your ass looking for work and it's going to be tough to get a job because now you're the guy who, it's well known, spews his crap on company. On company issued things or you can't trust them. It's like having a drunk who wants, who wants respect and wants everybody to like him and then gets drunk and fires off like 10 texts to everybody about how much he hates you or whatever. It's like what happened here? It's like, you can't do this stuff.

[Freddie]

Filter was off.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, Morning sickness. Holmberg's morning sickness.

[Brett Vesely]

That's like the videos that get sent into us and people. He sent me that video.

[John Holmberg]

No way.

[Brett Vesely]

No. My email or my computer.

[John Holmberg]

And that's the thing, you know, people like. What about freedom of speech? He has the right to send. Say it. Yeah.

[Freddie]

If he was saying that stuff before that, which he probably could have been, maybe that he disagrees with this. But it is weird how it's changed that. It's the desensitizing of people saying, oh, good, that person's gone. I never thought. I mean, there's people growing up that you agreed with, but I never felt.

[John Holmberg]

Like plenty of people were happy.

[Freddie]

I hope somebody takes this person.

[John Holmberg]

Well, you wouldn't. You're a normal person. But there, you know, and there's certain times when people, you know, Kennedy's assassination, you got to remember that the nation was 50, 50 on him. But it was, you know, the president, United States got shot. So in through history, everybody's like, oh, it was. The whole nation mourned. No, it didn't. That's never been the case. If there was social media back then, there would have been plenty of people saying, good. The philandering Bay of Pigs, you know, communist. His dad was a. You know, the Teamsters would have loved it. There would have been a bunch of people that would have said horrible things about Kennedy being shot and that they were happy about it. There's always that when you're divided in half. So it's just social media now. We do it now. General citizens can't sit at the bar over there at legends with Brett and whisper. I'm glad that guy got it. Now. They say it on. They publish it. They put it on a stupid. And people are like, wow. And then the wrong person reads it happens to be your boss. It's like, I'm not working with this guy anymore. And that one is when you go to respondiat superior. Look up, look it up. It's brutal, man. No, social media. The best thing this one says, John, you don't have social media. Who have I been sending all those butthole pictures to? Yeah, that's flag lady. She's got my. She. She stole my social. She's, you know, false identity. Be smarter. Yeah. He said, semper tyrannis. Sick. Semper tyrannis is what John Wilkes Booth said. Death to tyrants. He said, and I only know this John because of Seinfeld. And I'd forgotten it, but that's really one of the reasons I would remember, too. Yeah. So if you're thinking about firing off things and again, people who are saying that, you know, I understand you trying to compare and contrast the. This guy's death is not any more important than anyone else's. But you have to also just be a member of society and know that sometimes the best argument to that is yeah, is because it is. Like, sometimes certain things just resonate with people on a whole more than something else. And unfortunately. And it's horrible to say, say, those school shootings and things like that. We just don't know. We've turned our heads again, like, and, you know, we. It can be anything. It can be a dad who's mad about custody. It could be a dude who's just angry at a teacher. It could be somebody who's just lost their mind. That one's so scary and unsolvable that you just don't understand it. Like, it. Like, I think that's why those things are like, oh, there was a school shooting in Denver. You got to wonder if that happened first. First. And Charlie Kirk got shot second. And look, if the school shooting was on a video, that's all we'd be talking about. The fact that people were confronted with this visually, I think that's why. So I'm gonna miss that dude. That son's guy, he knew a ton of stuff. And again, I didn't know what his politics were. I didn't care. I didn't care to know. And I didn't know. And he's not now. He doesn't have a job. And he's probably at this point, point in that denial factor, feeling like he swelled up, going, well, good. I. I said my piece. And all those other people are, well, come next Friday on payday, we're gonna see if that's still how you feel, because it's gonna suck when you can't pay bills because you, you know, I just do it on my own two feet. You didn't do anything but get yourself fired. Your comments weren't that important, so you can feel proud of yourself, but you didn't do anything other than get yourself fired. And that's why I think social media is dumb. It gives you a false sense of importance. Curtains every time you spew something out on it. I got it, Dice. People say that all the time. I tweeted the other day that you didn't do anything. You and a billion other people with a bullhorn decided to spew something stupid and act like they were. You're patting yourself on the back.

[Brett Vesely]

Some guy from the Jags or the Panthers get fired, too.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, there was a few people that got. There's a few people that got canned from. From doing stuff. The MSNBC people. The guy from there was an NFL guy, and they're just like, nope, you're not doing this. We're not going down this road. People don't come to us for that.

[Freddie]

I saw there's A BMX biker for the. On the Olympic team. U.S. olympic team was spewing out stuff and one of the things that they said was, I, I hope I can compete in the next Summer Olympics because if I win the gold, I want to burn the American flag.

[John Holmberg]

He said that? Yeah. Well, that's just dumb.

[Brett Vesely]

Good luck, pal.

[John Holmberg]

Like, you're not going to make team. That's one thing's going to keep you off the team is like, we don't need that guy. He's very fast. But we're gonna find a reason to.

[Freddie]

Might have been a woman, too. I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

Well, it could be both.

[Freddie]

BMX rider.

[John Holmberg]

It might be both. A BMX rider.

[Freddie]

I mean, I didn't even know that.

[John Holmberg]

Was, I don't know, still a sport in there.

[Freddie]

I thought it was like a.

[Brett Vesely]

They got break dancing in there, for God's sake.

[John Holmberg]

So who's a Carolina Panthers employee? Hateful speech news Panthers of Jackson brings on hateful actions was essentially what he said. Yeah. You have the right to say it. You have the freedom of speech that still exists. But that means, you know, they can still can you form there's consequences to your speech for sure. I said, what the hell? Are you. You speaking Latin? When did the bald Jew start talking in tongues? I'm not. I'm just. I just know that rule. That's a good one to know. Trust me. Someday you'll thank me. Yeah, yeah. It was Hebrew. Respond yet superior. You get into that. See, learn that one. That's something you should have been taught in school. It's. I don't know that it's all that fair, but it's real. So the faster you, especially you idiots that want to be on social media all day long spewing out your thoughts at any given time, you get a new boss who's like, what's going on here? They check your social media and job interviews. Now it's all tied back. Well, that was off hours. So you get into a bar fight drunk and end up in jail off hours. Guess what? You might not have a job tomorrow if it gets in the papers or gets back to the boss that you've got a problem. It's just dumb. That's why you used to do the stuff with your friends.

[Freddie]

Whatever you're big on in your social media, man, he is eating a lot on that. We're gonna hire him at this restaurant.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. If you start posting pictures of you at your last job eating out of the fry bin and talking like, oh, he eats the product, you can't do that. Used to sit at bars. Brady said that before. He goes, I don't remember anybody, when Reagan got shot being all up. Because you didn't have social media to find out what people really thought, you had to go to a bar and sit next to Brett. Like, hey, Brett, what's going on? You believe this is happening? And Brett goes, j. Glad he took one in the gut. I'm like, whoa, I didn't see that coming. But it's just between us. Yeah. If Brett got up, if you ever did this, you'd be an insane person. This is what social media is. You're at stake 44 on a Friday night, and it's crowded, and you just go ting, ting, ting, ting, ting on your glass until everybody looks at you. Go, charlie Kirk dying was awesome. Try it. Yeah, try it with your brave words. Try your freedom of speech there. It's. That's what social media is. You would never, ever. It's a. It's a coward's way of getting something across. We got it. It's meant for three things. Videos of women and children falling down, down. Weird sex things that we're not sure happened or not happened, and hilarious AI memes that are occasionally racist. That's what the Internet is for. That's what social media is designed to spread.

[Brett Vesely]

Isaiah says freedom of speech. Yes. Not freedom from consequences.

[John Holmberg]

Freedom from consequence. Yeah. I mean, you can say whatever you want. That's great. But it doesn't mean that somebody in your immediate circle can't say you're out. And think about all those people with this freedom of speech thing are currently going through their social medias and also deleting friends who disagree with them. That's right. Make yourself known. I'll delete you as the same. You're. You're. You're providing the same consequence for freedom of speech that you would argue against if you got fired for saying what you wanted. On. It's the same thing as deleting your buddies or former buddies. Don't do that. That's bad.

[Freddie]

Or telling them they're no longer a buddy, if you believe this.

[John Holmberg]

Right? Yeah. It's just another.

[Freddie]

That's just wrong.

[John Holmberg]

You know, you don't want a world of people that wholeheartedly agree with you on every topic and there's nothing to talk about. Possible. Yeah, but if you had it, there'd be nothing to talk about. You'd be the Sklar brothers. Like these two guys. I mean, even they disagree. And they're of the same exact DNA. They're A split embryo right in front of you. And even they have differences.

[Freddie]

Finish each other's counterpoints.

[Brett Vesely]

That's right.

[John Holmberg]

Wait. Their arguments are pointless. The other guy knows what he's gonna say anyway. Just remember, that's a good little lesson from Uncle John today. Respondiat superior. It may sound silly and it may sound like you're, you know, you're trying to be a blowhard or know it all, but that's something I learned a long time ago. And it's a life lesson that is awesome, especially for you people with social media. And that's a huge reason I call social media a viper in your pocket. Use it for promoting your company. Company. Use it to make money. Use it to do stuff. Using it as a backbone to stand up to society. Really, there is no plus to that because you're not important enough. There's only a negative that you'll probably lose your job if you get too high and mighty about what you feel. Truth. Truth. The only thing we can all walk away from on this one, most of us in this audience is that jumping off of a 10 foot roof hurts. Unless you're 25. So I'm not, I'm not, you know, Sherlock Holmes or anything, but I eliminated everybody over 30 the second I saw that kid hit the ground. Like, yep, he's young, so we don't know yet. And all the stuff that comes out, we'll find out. Sign someone else's name on your social media as well and pretend to get hacked. Pull the Roseanne when you start spewing out your Ambien raise and then go, oh, I've been hacked. Immediately pretend you were hacked and blame someone from China. There'll be no investigation and perhaps you'll be right. Or how about this? This is a good idea. Give your password. Let's say it's Brett and Brady that want to spew their nonsense. Brett, you give Brady your password. And Brady, you give Brett your password. And whenever you have something crazy to say, you each go into each other's and now you say your crazy thing on Brady's page and Brady can say his crazy thing on your page. And then when people and I didn't say that, and if there's a forensic investigation, it would be proven that you did not say that somebody got into your setup. And then they'd say, do you want to chase this down or no, that's okay because he knows it's Brett. He doesn't want to get caught into the scam. Don't. By all means, don't do it yourself at all at 6:20. Let's get out of this mess, shall we? But we'll keep you up to date because I'm staying up to date with it too on whether or not this dude got caught. And I had no idea and I don't think anybody else did that. Charlie Kirk was this visible here in Phoenix. He's gonna be. His funeral is next weekend here, which is, you know, you want thing you want to complain about on social media is how messed up that's going to be for traffic in the central 7th street streets. Bethany to northern area. That is going to be insane over there. But that's where his. They went over to the Hanson mortuary and they're doing the funeral here. Trump's flying in. It's going to be a lot of roads closed over by my house.

[Brett Vesely]

That's at the rental.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You know what, that's a good idea, Brad. There he is. Pop over to that rental and avoid all that. That farmer's market on Saturday is going to be a mess.

[Freddie]

Is that when it's supposed to be on?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know. Not tomorrow. Next weekend? Yeah, it'll be a week next week, but yeah, I don't know. But it's going to be on the weekend in that area that all those roads would be closed at farmers market. And the weather's getting nice for farmers market wandering around. Come on.

[Brett Vesely]

Must have been a nightmare around here too with. With Trump landing at sky harbor.

[John Holmberg]

You got air force twos there now. Air force one and two in the same airport. I don't even know if you're allowed to do that. Oh, it's going to get. Traffic is going to be bad. Let's get a wake up song, shall we? 585-9800. A good one. We'll scream it together. It's 98 KUPD. Wake up. It's out of control now. 98 KUPD.