09-16-25 - Death Of Robert Redford Has Us Wondering How An Indecent Proposal Would Go Over These Days And What Would Be The Scenario And Terms

Summary

Podcast Summary: Holmberg's Morning Sickness – Arizona

Episode: 09-16-25 – Death Of Robert Redford Has Us Wondering How An Indecent Proposal Would Go Over These Days And What Would Be The Scenario And Terms
Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo

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Episode Overview

This episode of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness centers around the passing of American icon Robert Redford and an extended, humorous, and irreverent debate about the infamous plot of Indecent Proposal—a Redford film which sparked decades of conversation about what price, if any, could justify a partner sleeping with another for money. The hosts discuss how this scenario might play out today, offer their own takes on the dilemma, and brainstorm wild, contemporary updates to the concept—all in their signature raucous, teasing style.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Robert Redford's Legacy and Movie Influence

• The show opens with a discussion about Redford’s filmography and cultural impact. Iconic films like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid are noted for how their titles became part of popular language.
• Indecent Proposal (1993) gets special focus as an example of a movie premise that entered mainstream conversation: "That’s when you know you’ve got yourself an incredible stamp on society... The title of the movie became an actual thing." (B, 00:28)
• Jeremiah Johnson is referenced as a Redford film only Brady seems familiar with, highlighting generational gaps in film appreciation.

2. The Indecent Proposal Premise, Then and Now

• The central question: Would anyone today turn down millions for their spouse to spend one night with someone else?
• The hosts debate whether $1 million (in 1993) is still persuasive—“In Today's money, it's $2.2 million.” (A and C, 02:16-02:19)
• Holmberg presses the group: “There aren't too many dudes who wouldn't say yes to that. That is a fantastic offer.” (B, 01:38)
• Brady (C) resists, saying, "I'd have a tough time... How much will it change the complexity of our relationship?" (C, 02:42–03:15), prompting John’s (B) mocking, "That's dumb." (B, 03:51)

3. Gender, Power, and the Reverse Indecent Proposal

• The hosts riff on reversing the roles: What if a wealthy woman offers millions to sleep with the husband?
• Suggested casting: "Sydney Sweeney in an Indecent Proposal remake and reverse it. She wants to sleep with your husband for a million dollars." (B, 06:39)
• "Dua Lipa comes in and offers Megan a million dollars... He doesn't have to offer a penny. I’m doing this volunteer work.” (A & B, 07:12–07:16)
• The men joke about how quickly they would accept: "He's gone. His clothes are off, and he's in the front yard. Let's go." (B, 07:35)
• Discussion on whether women would be as receptive if the other woman is more attractive: “I don’t know that it would be as easy... especially if she's better looking than your wife. That would be rough, right?” (B, 09:05)

4. Relationship Fallout and Moral Dilemmas

• The emotional cost is debated. Brady voices concern: "How much will it change the complexity of our relationship?" (C, 03:09)
• The show jokes about insecurity, comparing it to plot points in the original movie.
• “You’ll just have that hanging over you the whole time afterwards.” (C, 09:28)
• Holmberg counters: "So what? ... I'll be back and drive my Ferrari to the bar. I’ll see you later." (B, 09:46)

5. Fantastical Modern Updates & Satire

• The conversation escalates as the hosts propose newer, even more outlandish versions:
  • “If Hollywood made a remake of that movie, it would be as a tranny now. Now we’re cooking. Brady—five million, tranny wants to have at yeah, man.” (B, 12:47)
  • Laughter about the lack of threat: "There's no threat with the tranny that you'll ever think about that as something you’re missing out on." (B, 13:09)
  • The scenario becomes increasingly absurd and comic, including riffs about anatomy: “So does it have a crank or no?” “Yep.” (A & B, 13:58–14:00)

6. Memorable Reflections on Masculinity and Marriage

• John sums up the practical, if tongue-in-cheek, view: “You truly love each other. That shouldn’t bother you. You’re doing it for the family.” (B, 10:15)
• On women and money: “[Women say] it's not always about money. … If we get divorced, suddenly you and your lawyer are all about the money. So I’m pretty sure it’s about the money.” (B, 14:55)
• Final comments celebrate “Indecent Proposal” for generating ongoing debate: “That one probably caused more conversation than any movie ever and it still kind of lives in that half this half that world.” (B, 15:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Redford's Cinematic Legacy
  • “That’s when you know you’ve got yourself an incredible stamp on society... The title of the movie became an actual thing.” (B, 00:28)
• On the Value of the Proposal
  • “A million dollars is a pretty good price… Mathias gets to go for a night. You say yes.” (B, 01:38)
• On Marital Dynamics and Price
  • “Can I watch? Would you be worried that she’ll find him better than you? Is it an insecurity?” (B, 03:01)
  • “If she’s for it…You would still probably stop. And you think you’d have the Woody Harrelson dilemma.” (B, 04:27)
• On Hypothetical Modern Scenarios (Sydney Sweeney, Dua Lipa, etc.)
  • “He doesn’t have to offer a penny. I’m doing this volunteer work... He’s gone. His clothes are off.” (B, 07:16–07:35)
• On Gender-Flipped or LGBTQ+ Remakes
  • “Five million. Tranny wants to have at yeah, man. And why all things are a go.” (B, 12:47)
  • “You’ve never seen anybody with a bigger smile on their face coming out from behind a butt going, this tastes like $5 million. Watch me roam.” (B, 14:19)
• On Marriage and Practicality
  • “You truly love each other. That shouldn’t bother you. You’re doing it for the family.” (B, 10:15)
  • “It’s not always about money. … If we get divorced, suddenly you and your lawyer are all about the money.” (B, 14:55)

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Suggested Timestamps for Key Segments

• Redford’s Passing & Film Impact: 00:08–01:36
• Original Indecent Proposal Dilemma: 01:36–03:51
• Role-Reversed/Modernized Scenarios: 06:39–09:05
• Relationship & Emotional Fallout: 09:27–10:24
• Wild Remake Ideas (Transgender angle): 12:47–14:19
• Philosophy on Marriage and Money: 14:55–15:40

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Final Thoughts

The episode showcases the hosts’ trademark blend of irreverence, cultural reference, and no-holds-barred hypotheticals, all orbiting the perennial question posed by Indecent Proposal. The discussion is punctuated by quick-witted, sometimes edgy banter about relationships, gender, and the power of money to provoke—and possibly upend—our most fundamental bonds.

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For fans of the show or newcomers: you’ll find both nostalgia for Redford and a hilarious, sometimes outrageous, 2020s take on the eternal question—what would you do for $2 million?

Transcript

[Brady]

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[Ronnie]

You thought that was funny? You were laughing like a hyena when he said it. What the hell is wrong with you? Tuesday morning on the day that Robert Redford passed away. That's right. You may not have paid attention. Early this morning, the alerts went out. If you haven't been looking around your phone and stuff. American legend, American icon Robert Redford died 89 years old. And we. We ran through a few of the movies this morning. One only Brady knew, Jeremiah Johnson. And the rest of us talked about movies that were good that he was in. One we forgot to mention. And I've been back and forth on emails with Was the probably a movie that caused. It's. That's when you know you've got yourself an incredible stamp on society. Not only did a couple of his movies like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid create like. Oh, you're, you know, like a thing where if you do something, you're like, oh, that's so Butch Cassidy. Like, at the time that became like, iconic. Another one that he did that the title of the movie became an actual thing was Indecent Proposal. I forgot about that one. Somebody brought that up. And it. And it. I have to wonder how many people just the premise of that movie caused conversations to this day. The Indecent Proposal. Now, at the time, I think the movie came out in the 90s. Mid, mid early 90s.

[Brady]

Woody Harrelson.

[Ronnie]

Woody to me. More.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Matthew]

93.

[Ronnie]

It was a million dollars was all the offer was to sleep with his wife. And even still with inflation and the cost of living and everything else, there aren't too many dudes who wouldn't say yes to that. That is a fantastic offer. A fantastic offer for a million dollars. Mathias gets to go for a night. You say yes. Yeah, yeah. What? You wouldn't do it with Ronnie one night. Million bucks in your hand. Nope, you're not doing it.

[Brady]

In Today's money, it's 2.2 million.

[Matthew]

2.2 million.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so it's doubled. Even just a million. 1990. Give me a million bucks. And it's like, yeah, I'm in. You have to talk her into it. I'm not going to sell her, but that's nice and I understand why. You're him and ha. You love money.

[Matthew]

You got to spend more than you're like.

[Ronnie]

Mr. Krabs, that is not true. A million dollars is a pretty good price. For you. You wouldn't do it.

[Matthew]

I'd have a tough time.

[Ronnie]

What would be the. What's the dilemma? See, this is why this movie's fantastic.

[Brady]

What if she okayed it?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. What if she's like, I want to do it? Would that make you even less interested? I want a wife with high fives and says, this is going to be awesome. I'll be right back.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I want an earner.

[Brady]

Jump on it.

[Ronnie]

Can I watch? Would you be worried that she'll find him better than you? Is that. Is it an insecurity?

[Matthew]

Well, no, I don't think that so much. Just. Will it. How much will it change the complexity of our relationship?

[Ronnie]

That's up to you.

[Matthew]

It is so on both sides. So I can't believe that it. It wouldn't.

[Ronnie]

Because you can't stop thinking about it. What are you thinking? Weird.

[Matthew]

It just. Well, one. I. I think there's better ways of. You won't make that much money.

[Ronnie]

But that's the point, Brady.

[Matthew]

I don't need that money.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you do. You love money. We all love that.

[Matthew]

Sure.

[Brady]

Throw 2.2 million.

[Ronnie]

Today's money. 2.2 million?

[Matthew]

Yeah. Not to that level.

[Ronnie]

Not to just let somebody have at her. She's all for it. You say no.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

That's dumb.

[Brady]

You know, it's one of those things. You weren't the first.

[Ronnie]

Brett makes a compelling argument.

[Brady]

Yeah. I mean, we all. You know, it is what it is.

[Ronnie]

So somewhere in the middle, there was.

[Brady]

Somebody else there before you.

[Ronnie]

She's all over a millionaire who handed you a brief, and would it change.

[Matthew]

After you open up the I wonder.

[Brady]

What would change fiction briefcase shows up and it lights up, and I wonder, am I changing?

[Ronnie]

If you had sight of it. Yeah, get on that thing. What do you want? Reverse cowgirl. She's good at that.

[Matthew]

And then she's like, we should do this.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Matthew]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

Then if she's for it and you're. You would still probably stop. And you think you'd have the Woody Harrelson dilemma.

[Matthew]

I don't know if I will. I mean, like, she's like, we should do this for these reasons. If she.

[Ronnie]

Not for any reason. Just to have a million dollars given to you for just that. Yeah. That's what money is. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to debate what you do with the money. You just have it. That's why the movie didn't do as well as people wanted it to, is because in the middle of it, guys are like, what's he crying for? Like, Woody Got all sad and then she ended up leaving him because, you know. No, it did. She went home to a bitch who wouldn't shut up about it, by the way. She did Demi Moore's the hero of the movie.

[Matthew]

But she really didn't want to because he was.

[Ronnie]

Driven them into financial ruin. Didn't talk her into anything. He drove her. The whole family was in financial ruin because of him.

[Matthew]

Because of him to begin with.

[Ronnie]

Then they took money and tried to double it in Vegas because that was the only thing they had. And for some reason that was morally okay for everybody.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Never went back on that. Then they were dead broke. Got this offer, fixes everything she does. It's like, it was a nice night. Got to fly in a helicopter. I got most fun. It's like prom night. Pretty cool. And it was Robert Redford. Good looking man. Could have been worse. Comes home and he won't shut up about it. If he'd have just buckled down like a man. She just solved all of his financial problems. Everything he did as a deadbeat. She fixed it. And so she went home. He starts crying and bitching at her, fighting with her, and she goes, I'll just leave for him.

[Brady]

I'm just trying to. I don't remember the end. Did she wind up banging Robert Redford?

[Ronnie]

She left with him. Yeah. Okay.

[Brady]

I don't remember the end. I remember I seen it. But it was just, you know.

[Ronnie]

And she was right. She left for the better man. Because when she went home and said, honey, I love you. Look what I've done for our family. We're financially okay again. I can't believe you did this to us. Like what? All right, I'm going back. He's got a lot more than a million dollars. I need a man. It's all so different now. Yeah. It doesn't have to be. Can you sack up a little bit here? Harrelson.

[Brady]

Matthew said a cash in hand. Brady. I'm putting my wife on her knees.

[Ronnie]

Right in front of the guy, right? This guy says, we need Sydney Sweeney. An Indecent Proposal remake and reverse it. She wants to sleep with your husband for a million dollars. And you as the wife, have caused financial ruin for the family. You did something dumb with the money. Destroyed everything. And so in a weird sort of.

[Matthew]

Way to say amazing happy ending.

[Ronnie]

Oh, it'd be phenomenal. That's a good movie. Because that does change the tide of it all.

[Brady]

So if Dua Lipa comes in and offers Megan a million dollars to Megan.

[Ronnie]

He doesn't have to offer A penny. I'm doing this volunteer work. I want to have sex with your husband for free. Done by ye. Where's he going? He's running away, stretching his ass out. The guy's stretching his ass out. What's he doing?

[Brady]

Playing a gong? I mean, Jesus.

[Ronnie]

Oh, I'm telling the neighbors. Guess what's going to happen to me? I'm Tom Hanks now. I made fire. Yeah, when we. How much will you give us? Well, I was going to. He's gone. His clothes are off, and he's in the front yard. Let's go.

[Matthew]

There's where the anger was. We could have made money on this. I did.

[Ronnie]

You can't put a price tag on what happened to me. Holmberg's morning sickness. The Sydney Sweeney. That's a good idea to remake that movie. Sydney Sweeney's got a bunch of money. Comes to a slug like Brady's house. His wife has ruined everything by getting them involved in some sort of Ponzi scheme. Selling singing bowls. We're broke, and there's nothing we can do about it. You've got kidney cancer. Need an operation. Sydney Sweeney says, I'll give you $2.2 million to have sex with your husband. And it fixes everything. Medical bills, gone. Would Ronnie say yes? Yeah, you think?

[Brady]

So you could buy a kidney then. Yeah, no problem. Then we got to wait for anything.

[Ronnie]

You got to have sex with Sydney Sweeney to do it. I think most women would be like, that's disgusting. Like, when it's flipped around like that. I don't know that it would be as easy with a. Especially if she's better looking than your wife. That would be rough, right? Because that was Woody's problem is Robert Redford was also handsome. It's not like some gross billionaire. It's like a lot of money came in.

[Brady]

Well, then you have that.

[Matthew]

You'll just have that hanging over you the whole time afterwards.

[Ronnie]

Why?

[Matthew]

From the wife.

[Ronnie]

So what? Yeah, then I'll close my eyes and think of it again. Add it to the list, you're saying, yeah, exactly. Oh, and also, oh, yeah, that. In the trash by the door. I can deal with this. I forget to shut the garage again. Sorry.

[Brady]

I'll be back and drive my Ferrari to the bar. I'll see you later.

[Ronnie]

I've had it. I watched that guy offered up.

[Brady]

I was just gonna say, yeah, it.

[Ronnie]

Could have been Stedman in Houston. I have 31 acres on a fun park. I'm like, yeah, we're going to Houston. That's gross. Sleep with that old man immediately. Or you're selfish, selfish woman.

[Brady]

You could have been Steadman. Had your own, you know, house out back.

[Ronnie]

And that guy walked by me twice. I'm like, sorry about my wife's attitude. It's okay. I understand. I'm like, if you want me to.

[Brady]

Blow you right now, I just text, go get us that million dollars.

[Ronnie]

Exactly the way it should be. You truly love each other. That shouldn't bother you. You're doing it for the family.

[Brady]

My wife loves me.

[Ronnie]

Do it for the family. Breaking Bad. Yeah. My dad just texted me about high yellow. And he said, we don't say that anymore. It's. It's considered offensive. I'm like, I told you it is now. He said his name is Troy. Hi. Ella's real name. He's 6:1, about 280. And pick up a mini donkey. I know, dad. He's in that.

[Matthew]

He's going over to have. I told you this.

[Ronnie]

He forgot all about his story and now he's. Oh, it's happening. He's 78 years old. How do you know about him? That's Troy. He's a nice young man. And for a while there, he was 80 something. Now he's 30. He's in his early 30s.

[Brady]

How yellow is Troy? Oh, yeah, sorry. Was he Benjamin Button?

[Ronnie]

So that's Texas language for. For people like him. And evidently it's considered very offensive. But he calls himself. Exactly. I told you something stupid would come back when I asked for a picture of it. He's in his early 30s, he's got green eyes, he's 61 2, 80, not fat at all. He can pick up a mini donkey.

[Brady]

Better go get your dad checked out now he's changed. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Wait a minute now, because I think my dad just didn't know.

[Matthew]

Ruined the legend.

[Ronnie]

Well, look, that happens when the legend is unbelievable to begin with. But he's not calling him.

[Matthew]

So did he move? Are they.

[Ronnie]

Did he make up? Evidently it was at their last ranch, which I didn't know they had in a new one now. I knew about this one. I didn't know they had another one. And that's where yellow. Evidently, it's in another town. Okay, so I don't know, but he can pick up a mini donkey. I was telling. That's all my dad brags on us, that this guy can pick up donkeys. And it doesn't sound like much till you see a donkey.

[Brady]

You know, like, does he still talk to Troy?

[Ronnie]

I'll ask him. And then the end. Is my dad fixing all of the things he feels bad about. He's a really nice young man. I could have sworny because he used to call my dad's wife Ms. Shauna. The White mama. This white mama right there. Like a farmhand on there. Supposed to talk about the people in that house like that. Anyway, my dad would do the indecent proposal. All men should. The remake's pretty good. So, John, you know, if Hollywood made a remake of that movie, it would be as a tranny. Now. Now we're cooking. Brady.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Five million tranny wants to have at. Yeah, man. And why all things are a go. Oh, it's you. It's you in that one. It can drive into you. You can drive into that.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

For $5 million, there's no threat. There's no threat with the tranny that you'll ever think about that as something you're missing out on.

[Matthew]

Oh, think about it. You won't forget it for the rest of your life.

[Ronnie]

And then you just go to your apps, desert financial savings. And then I'm like, where is that.

[Matthew]

Brett.

[Ronnie]

Five five million and decent proposal. It's a transsexual.

[Brady]

So does it have a crank or no?

[Ronnie]

Yep.

[Matthew]

Oh, yeah.

[Brady]

Oh, I thought it was Petrus type loaded gun.

[Ronnie]

It is a petrus type thing with it. With a wiener.

[Brady]

Yeah, Petrus cans.

[Ronnie]

Petrus cans.

[Brady]

Oh, I'm in. Yeah, please. Now, if it was Taylor swift body. No, but give me that petrus can.

[Ronnie]

You've never seen anybody with a bigger smile on their face coming out from behind a butt going, this tastes like $5 million. Watch me roam. I'm gonna discover new things about everybody. It's not all about the money. All right, well, I'll be walking away with money. You keep saying that when you're in court with me asking for half of it, it's going to be about the money. So we both know that women always say that. Nonsense. It's not always about money. It's funny because if mine just told me to go get that million, I know. Because if we get divorced, suddenly you and your lawyer are all about the money, so I'm pretty sure it's about the money. What are you doing? Practicing. Just in case that day comes. The billionaire transsexual offers us money. I'm in. I want to be ready. Put me in, coach. I'm like the natural. Pick me out a winner, Bobby. The lights all explode.

[Brady]

Gonna take on the whammer, huh?

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah. I strike the whammer. Max mercy's drawing cartoons in the newspaper. The exploding lights, the rounding third, so to speak. That'll be great. Decent proposal. Robert Redford. That one probably caused more conversation than any movie ever. And it still kind of lives in that half this, half that world, people said. Anybody else favor email in their favorite Robert Redford movie with Sneakers. Sneakers is really good. That's okay. That's almost like a culty, fun, good movie. That's not great, but it's always good. Like it's just kind of cool all the way through. That's a good one. I like that. I forgot about Sneakers, too. Anyway, American legend icon Robert redford gone in 89. We got ourselves some hot releases coming up in just a little bit. It's 98, Arizona's most powerful, powerful rock radio station.