09-25-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - Dale's Thoughts On Kyler Murray's Vick Jersey Post - Picks For Week 4 NFL Games

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Holmberg's Morning Sickness – 98KUPD | Hubbard Radio
Episode: 09-25-25 – Thursdays w/ Former Dallas Cowboy O-Lineman Dale Hellestrae
Aired: September 25, 2025

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Overview

This lively episode welcomes former Dallas Cowboys lineman Dale Hellestrae for his regular Thursday segment. The hosts—John Holmberg with co-hosts Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo—wade into Arizona sports misery, the drama around Kyler Murray’s Michael Vick jersey post, and make their NFL Week 4 game picks. The show’s signature blend of sharp banter, honest sports talk, and sarcastic humor is on full display, making for both an entertaining and insightful listen—especially for Arizona sports fans.

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1. Arizona Sports "Can’t Have Nice Things" (03:59–20:19)

Main Points

• Diamondbacks' Frustrations:

  • John recounts recent D-backs games featuring missed opportunities in extra innings and a general sense that Arizona teams are cursed when it comes to closing out key wins.
  • “We watched a pitcher’s duel through nine innings...bases loaded...and I turned to my friend and said, we can’t have nice things. Arizona is...” (04:18–04:21)

• Dale’s Iconic Motto:

  • John attributes the "We can’t have nice things" mantra to Dale, and the group riffs on disappointing Arizona sports moments.
  • Dale: “We can’t.” (04:21)

• Critiquing Fans and Atmosphere:

  • Discussion shifts to the often-mocked Arizona sports fanbase—timid, unsure when to cheer, and reliant on arena prompts.
  • John: “Diamondback fans absolutely suck. They don’t know when to cheer. They don’t know how to cheer...they were treated like idiots when this franchise started.” (17:08–17:39)

Notable Quote

• John: “Suns with the Cardinals when the Coyotes were...That was my point.” (18:58–19:02)
• Dale: “There’s no fan of the Diamondbacks right now who actually believes they’re gonna make the playoffs.” (19:15–19:20)

Memorable Moments

• Lamenting Bad Luck: The group bemoans bad managerial decisions, missed opportunities, and how the D-backs still, somehow, linger in the playoff race despite the odds and roster shakeups.
• Calls for Leadership Change: John floats firing skipper Torey Lovullo (“I want Torey Lovullo to get fired and go to Pittsburgh”) to “show everyone” his talent with lesser rosters. (06:10–06:36)
• Fans Out of Touch: The podsters lampoon how Arizona fans depend on jumbotron instructions—“Clockwork Orange” is invoked, and a side dig at Rattlers’ indoor football fans doing the wave at the wrong times. (17:45–18:47)

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2. Kyler Murray, Michael Vick, and “Dog Culture” in Sports (11:02–16:03)

Main Points

• Host’s Disgust Over Kyler Murray’s Vick Jersey:

  • John hopes the Cardinals never win again as long as Kyler Murray is quarterback, following Murray’s post wearing a Michael Vick jersey.
  • John: “I hope they lose 45 to nothing. I hope they never win another game so long as Kyler Murray is the quarterback because of that whole dog thing with Michael Vick. That's over for me.” (10:44–11:02)

• Debating Vick’s “Penance” and Animal Abuse:

  • Dale argues Vick “paid his penance,” but John sharply disagrees, pointing to Vick’s jail time for racketeering, not dog abuse.
  • Dale: “He paid his penance.” (11:02)
  • John: “He did not pay his penance for anything. He went to jail for racketeering...Completely lied.” (11:10–11:15)

• Serious Turn – Discussing Dog Abuse vs. Human Violence:

  • Dale muses about his wife’s stronger emotional reaction to a news story about a dog being abused compared to people being shot, launching a conversation about helplessness, empathy, and societal desensitization.
  • Dale: “My dear, sweet wife of 37 years showed more emotion about the dog abuse story...than people getting killed.” (12:20–12:39)
  • John: “Why can’t two things be true at once?” (12:21)

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3. Mental Health Institutions & “Where Do the Crazy People Go?” (13:55–15:09)

Key Insights

• Dale brings up the former psychiatric facility at 24th St. & Van Buren in Phoenix, wondering where people who need help now end up.
• A somber discussion about the limits of institutionalization and how mentally ill people are “among us.”
  • Dale: "So, so, so where are they?" (14:11–14:19)
  • John: "Here, they're amongst us... and they're starting to lose it." (14:40–15:09)

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4. NFL Coaching Changes & Quarterback Drama (20:19–22:10)

Main Points

• Giants’ Quick Hook on QBs:

  • John wonders about the Giants’ decision to bench a QB after a single bad week, joking about how swiftly the league turns on players.
  • John: “After three weeks...He threw for 500 yards a week ago...has a bad week and they pull the plug.” (20:26–21:04)

• Dale’s Perspective:

  • “It’s cya—Day Ball is trying to keep a job for another year...but I think they’re trying to get maybe four or five games [out of Jones].” (21:04–21:13)

• Light banter about the Cowboys’ “glory days” slipping further into the past and how losing makes old champs more “special.”

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5. NFL Week 4 Picks, Side Bets & Friendly Ribbing (22:44–31:49)

Picks & Analysis

• Cowboys vs. Packers: Dale picks against his old team, takes the Packers.
• Bears vs. Raiders: John and Bret talk through the Bears’ chances; Bret sticks with the Bears in a lackluster matchup.
• Broncos: Acknowledgement they’re a hopeless cause for the season, with hosts joking they may not win another game.
• Steelers vs. Vikings in Ireland: John calls on Pittsburgh’s strong Irish connection as a possible X-factor for the game.

Memorable Quotes & Humor

• Friendly arguments about ticket transfers, group outings to football games, the logistics of sharing tickets, and who is (or isn’t) really trying to help a buddy get to a game.
• Dale: “You got fired because you’re an idiot.” (24:00)
• John: “This is why nobody says, ‘my pal Dale.’” (28:13)

Side Bet Standings

• Details of a running $25-per-head pool for picks; ribbing about who’s costing who money and mock-outrage over betting logistics.

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6. Running Gags, Show Identity, and "Permanent Guest" Status (09:58–24:13 interspersed)

Highlights

• Ongoing jokes about Dale’s “permanent guest” role on John’s purported sports podcast, with back-and-forths about show titles, logo snubs, and who actually brings in listeners.
• Who’s more valuable: Nash, Dale, or the hosts themselves? This turns into a recurring bit throughout the episode.

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Notable Quotes & Moments by Timestamp

• On Arizona’s sports futility:
  • John: “We can’t have nice things.” (04:21)
• On Kyler Murray and Vick:
  • John: "I hope they lose 45 to nothing...so long as Kyler Murray is the quarterback because of that whole dog thing with Michael Vick." (10:44–11:02)
• On fan cluelessness:
  • John: “Diamondback fans absolutely suck. They don’t know when to cheer. They don’t know how to cheer.” (17:08–17:39)
• On animal cruelty vs. human violence:
  • Dale: "My wife...showed more emotion about the dog abuse story...than the people getting killed." (12:39)
• On NFL job security:
  • Dale: “It’s cya—[Daboll] is trying to keep a job for another year.” (21:04–21:13)
• Ongoing:
  • Good-natured jabs about ego, guest status, and sports bar outings.

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Conclusion

This episode serves up the classic Holmberg’s Morning Sickness cocktail: sharp local sports critique, irreverent humor, and the gripes of out-of-luck fanhood—especially through the lens of Arizona teams. Dale Hellestrae’s chemistry with the crew provides both football insight and plenty of comedic banter, especially on who’s the real star of the podcast(s). Whether panning the D-backs, mocking Kyler Murray’s social choices, or weighing sadness over dog abuse, the show keeps the laughs and insights rolling. The NFL picks cap things off, setting up another week of friendly trash talk and betting drama.

Recommended for: Arizona sports fans, NFL junkies, and anyone who enjoys a mix of football analysis and unscripted, sarcastic radio energy.

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 03:59 – Arizona teams “can’t have nice things,” D-backs woes
• 11:02 – Kyler Murray/Michael Vick dog debate
• 13:55 – Institutionalization & “Where do the crazy people go?”
• 17:08 – Arizona sports fanbase and game atmosphere
• 20:19 – Giants, coaching hot seats, backup QBs
• 22:44 – NFL Week 4 picks and banter

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End of summary.

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Was to throw him in jail. The day just floats right by. Thursday, Dale's here. We're going to get right to it. Dale, a Hellray three time world champion from those Dallas Cowboys way back in the day. Nice intro today. See you always. Like last week you didn't get his proper intro.

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But today I suppose you start at 9:00'. Clock. Okay.

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Well, there we go.

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Never mind.

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God damn it. Who told you you were starting at.

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Any time other than when I start? I got one thing. I know you're going to read the.

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This thing started so smooth. How nice was I?

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It was great.

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That's what I was giving. You're going to waste more time.

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So the guy that you had on taking up my time spot.

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Yeah, I like.

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He's a Thursday night guy, right? I mean, he's there. You're a Thursday day guy. He's a Thursday night. See if he's funny. Whatever.

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Well, that was our joke for him because he's only here for a day.

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Yeah, hey, because he couldn't sell out Friday, Saturday.

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Wait, could you?

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But here's my question to you.

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Oh, for Christ's.

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As I'm sitting out there in the.

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Heat, you got here at 9:05, you got here. I have the time stamp.

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And I'm waiting and I'm waiting and they saved the world and give us your advice and whatever. But here's my question to you. He's a Thursday night guy. He can only sell one comedy show. I watch him. And the guy who brought him down here, he has a driver. Yeah.

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Well, how about A head of hair on that kid.

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Tell me this. Yeah. If you're a Thursday night guy, that's not really that funny. Do you John get in the back seat of the car of a little white. Did he get in back seat?

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That's awesome. Now that's funny that I like a.

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Lot looking at him going. I just listen to you.

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I like.

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You don't get in the back seat.

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Superstars don't ride up front.

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You get your ass up front. Hey, until you can. Until you can sell. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, then you ride in the back seat.

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Oh Delesandro, great move getting in the back seat. Making Brad fake it till you make it. You know, right there.

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I like that you guys are.

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And by the way, I have the time stamp. You text at 9:05.

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Yeah, I was there at 9:00 clock ready to go. But again you're 15 minutes to get up here.

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Funny, you dumbass. Takes you 15 minutes to get up here.

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15 minutes.

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You weren't intrigued with that conversation, John.

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You wouldn't even get in the back of your car.

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I absolutely. And I'd lay low so nobody saw me in there.

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No, you jumped right up front when I picked you up. That is true.

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I wanted to see what it was like up there. Anyway. Dale is brought to you by. Oh my God. Our friends at Diamond Coatings. And you're gonna get out there. They're at my house right now by the way. They do all sorts of different things for your garage floor, for any floor. They'll do the house. The house thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's an amazing thing too. They'll paint your house and you never have to paint your house again. 25 years. It's amazing. Yeah, they've got all sorts of stuff. It blocks the sun.

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None of us are gonna be around.

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No, I know. But at least your house will be. That's a good point for us. And then. Wow. That's true. I didn't even think of that. They take care of everything. They'll take care of your pavers, your walls, your garage floor. Any floor you got, any surface you got, they can cover it, make it better and give it a little more life. And that's the thing we're looking for. So thank you. Diamond coatings AZ.com. that's where you go. Dale is here. And Dale, you have opened my eyes to something in the world of sport in Arizona that I don't like that you did. But it resonates in my head a lot. I quoted you. Oh my goodness.

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Did you Start it with my friend Dale or my acquaintance Dale or hey, this guy. I know.

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A guest on my podcast said.

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On your podcast? On your podcast.

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Guest on my podcast. I've been on your podcast and wasn't you. Though I did clarify. And not Brady, a guest on my podcast said. Where Arizona sports. We can't have nice things.

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We can't.

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And I'm at the Diamondbacks game last week and this week, last week against the Giants. Brady and I went to a game, 13 innings. They leave the bases loaded in the extra innings. Eight men, no runs overall. Oh, left on base was. I think it was more than that. I think it was like.

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Was it total?

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I think it was. I think it was eight. But neither team could get a hit. Yeah. So we watched a pitcher stool through nine innings where maybe there were three base runners total. I think.

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Right.

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It was eight. Because then last night, again, bases loaded. And then Jake McCarthy throws one straight up in the air with them. All he had to do was put the ball out and play or strike out. You know, get it out into the field. Pops up. All right, give it to him. That's the next batter is McCann, I think. And he does the exact same thing. And you're like, they just left the bases loaded. And I turned to my friend and I said, we can't have nice things. Arizona is. The Mets lost yesterday. The Reds lost yesterday. Primed and ready to go to win the season series against the Dodgers, which is a basis loaded with. And the. And the reason it was one out is because of a beautiful sacrifice punt that took that ghost runner to third base.

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Yes.

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Like, that's perfect baseball.

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You walk the next two guys.

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You're the home team. All you need is a hit. All you need is contact. Just get the sac fly.

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Yes.

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And they could not get it done. And that is how great teams get good in going into the playoffs. And the Diamondbacks had everything set in front of them and they gave it back to the Dodgers, who didn't want the game. They blew another lead.

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Their bullpen is actually, I think, worse than the Diamondback Dumpster fire.

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It's a disaster. So I, Yeah, I watched that. And I wonder how right is Dale. Is it just. And I'm not, you know, I'm not like, I'm never going to pretend to be like, oh, I'm a Diamondbacks, die hard. Whatever. I am paying attention because I think Tory Lovella is the most. I want Tory Lavella to get fired and go to Pittsburgh. He's only been wrong once. Okay. And show him what?

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Yeah.

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Only. Yeah. Show everybody here that he does stuff that is, that he takes less talent and makes it good. You gave him a roster of talent. He was okay with it. You give him what he's got right now, and they're. They're better than they were before they sold the whole team. He goes to Pittsburgh, he goes to the Sacramento A's, whatever they're called, that dude wins, and he can't quite get over the hump.

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The thing is, if you look at this dimeback season number one, at the trade deadline, everybody wrote them off.

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They were done. They wrote themselves off.

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And not only have you lost your $200 million pitcher, you've lost A.J. pak, you've lost your bullpen.

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And then Mortis Gurriel.

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Yeah. And then you. And then you trade away the guys that you do have, and now all of a sudden, they play better.

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No, it's never happened in the history of sports.

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Sitting there and again, get you up, you're on edge, your seat, your base is loaded. I'm sure that you were paying attention.

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Outstanding game.

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And then they can't get that run.

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Just one run? Yeah, just one run. All you needed was contact. Make them make a play.

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I'd rather them be.

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Same situation in one week.

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No. Well.

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And the week earlier. But then last night, there was the third base coach held up a guy rounding third. The ball's coming in for me. I'm like, make him make the throw. There's one out.

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Well, I've always said. Because they got a new third base coach. The old. The old third base coach. You know, he'd see me or Brady round in third and he wave us on.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Yeah.

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But now it's going the other way.

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He'd see you coming out third base and he'd hold you up. Yeah. Yeah.

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And I am a lightning quick.

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Well, he's a lot faster than Brady.

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A lot crawling.

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But it's like, you get this close now. Yeah. And now everybody's excited, everybody's interested. And then that happens.

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You play tight.

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Yes.

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You're a team that's barely there. Take all the chances, nothing to lose.

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Nobody expects anything from you.

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It was frustrating. I was there last night. It was frustrating. Frustrating.

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Thanks for the invite, by the way.

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Oh, I was invited by someone else. It wasn't. I didn't have. I did have an extra ticket I gave to my friend. I gave it to a good friend of mine, Brian.

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Brian go out a lot.

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He's not been a guest on my Podcast. Nice. Nice. Speaking of, by the way, it's gonna.

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Be, hey, I'll be the guest. And now it's his podcast.

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It's so good, though, for that very reason. Now, here's the thing. What's great about it is that in. How long have you been on the main event on WKSY, Translator 695, Robot.

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TV.

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Thousands of listeners, radio. Yeah. And nobody knows how to find it.

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But it's out there on the same things. Yeah.

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You don't know, though.

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I'm pretty sure.

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Our deal has already gotten more downloads than the main event, and it's only, like, seven weeks old.

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People follow me, Johnny.

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No, they don't. They have. They have. You had something before no one cared about. I showed up for one show, and they're like, this is fantastic. So now I can introduce you as a frequent guest.

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Yeah.

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Permanent guest. Frequent permanent guest.

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This was Nash, and he said, hey.

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Yeah, Nash joined late. Nash just said, I'll do it to him. Like, you know why you brought him on, Dale? I sat there and Nash says, you need me to be part of this. I'm like, I can make everything great if Nash wants to be there. So now I can introduce him as. And I'm going to promote you today. You are to John Holmberg Sports Podcast.

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Oh, my God. This. It went from. It's a.

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These are great moves. Permanent, permanent guest. You know who you are?

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Yeah.

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You're like Cat Timp von Gutfeld, The.

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The. The good looks.

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Well, no, no. Kind of. Kind of feminine. A little bit feminine. A little more cellulite than you'd expect.

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If you have a picture of you, me, and Nash together. Oh, here I'm the freaking. I can.

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You know. You don't want to do that.

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Yeah.

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You're permanent guest with John Holmberg Sports Podcast with permanent guest. Dale. You just want cartoon characters. Yeah, I like that. But it's done better than yours. It's done better than the main event with Steve McCollum and Dave Hellestrom. And then there's an exclamation point for no reason. Dave Hellestrom. Isn't that what it says? I think that's a state telescope. No, no, I don't think they ever spell it out. Steve McQueen and Dave. Yeah, that's right. I think that's what. That's.

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It's.

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It's. They don't even care that you're on it.

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Robot tv, Johnny.

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I don't. I don't even. Look at the logo. It doesn't have Dale on the logo. Oh, how about that?

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Well, it doesn't. I've not listened to our. Our thing. Does our thing have a.

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It's a picture of me.

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Idiot.

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It's me with baseball glove and a hot sauce. He has you. You're standing in his hand. Permanent guest, Dale. Hell is Drake. I like that. I like that quite a bit. The Cardinals play tonight. I hope they lose 45 to nothing. I hope they never win another game. So Kyler Murray's the quarterback because of that whole dog thing with Michael Vick. That's over for me.

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No, no, he paid his penance.

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No, he's talking about what Kyler did. I'm talking what Kyler did and he didn't pay his pennants.

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You're talking about the picture. Who are.

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The Michael Vic thing. He did not pay his penance for anything. You're talking about Kyler Murray.

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No, Michael.

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Michael Vic didn't. He went to jail for racketeering. He denied the dog thing.

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Holmberg's morning sickness.

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Completely lied.

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He was in jail, John, for most.

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For racketeering and lied. Think of what that would have done in Dallas. You like rumor? Jerry comes to you with his face. And that was back when he's super tight. Dale, I understand you're running the dog fighting operation, and I don't think I like that. And you say, no, I'm not. I swear. If it comes at Yardell, we're gonna have trouble, but I'll back you up otherwise. And he did it. He told Arthur Blank.

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Support.

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He told Arthur Blank. Go ahead, tell everybody.

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I didn't. Okay, so tell me this, because my wife and I, Brooke, we're sitting down. The one you'll never meet. We're sitting down, watching the news last night and back to back stories were the ice officers getting shot in Dallas, Terrible. And then a dog. Somebody abusing a dog, horrible. Both horrible stories. Are they equally horrible?

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Why do they have to be in this black and white world ranked? Why can't two things be true at once?

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All I'm saying is that. That my wife, my dear, Sweet wife of 37 years. Yeah. Showed more emotion about the dog abuse story than the people getting killed.

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One shouldn't happen at all. Ever.

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Neither one of them should happen.

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The other one, you're like, oh, I'm not surprised. That's the difference.

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Are you surprised when there's a dog abuse story? With all the idiots out there, I.

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Can'T believe someone has it in them to do something. Humans are doing it to humans for some reason. There's truth to that for some reason, when people do it to people, I'm like, that doesn't shock me.

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Really? Yeah.

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Because there's a helplessness involved with animals that's different than humans. You've also been shown it a lot. Yeah, yeah. And it's just a thing where.

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And again, I'm not trying to make a big ruckus out there. I'm just saying who's more helpless? A person walking out to their truck getting shot.

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Completely both.

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But one.

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One is more of just a society sucks. The other is how in the world I.

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Again, I just thought I'd bring it up because to me, it was fascinating. Her reaction.

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Because something that can't fight back and trusts that doesn't need to.

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Right.

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Is being abused by someone taking advantage of that. A sniper on a building just firing into somebody because they've got a screw loose unfortunately no longer is a surprise. And I don't think it ever was. I don't think it's ever been different. That nut bags have existed since the beginning of time, and that's just part of the human condition.

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You and I talk. I think maybe it was off the air, so I don't even know if I should say it on the air, but there used to be a Place on 24th street in Van Buren. Big place with barbed wire around it for a lot of years.

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24Th and Van Buren. Oh, yes, Yes. I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

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Okay. It's no longer there.

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The nuthouse. It's still there, but it's not what it was.

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So. So, so, so where are they? That's a good question.

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I don't know that they had a full, like, exodus, but they don't put them in there like they are they. Yeah, I had a friend who went there.

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Yeah, well, just a visit or.

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With Steve McCollum. Yeah, yeah. One is a permanent host, a guest on my show the. But he went there because he was suffering from a massive amount of schizophrenia and delusion.

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Okay.

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His parents put him in there and he said, do I have to stay legally? Absolutely not. You haven't been committed by the state. You can. You can go. And he just left.

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Okay.

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So there's that. Because before some stand out.

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Anything. Did he do anything?

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Well, he grabbed a knife and he tried to cut his own head off one. One night and failed at it.

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So. Yeah.

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Where are they? Is a good question. Because that's in here.

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They're amongst us.

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They are out there amongst us, and they're starting to lose it, man. And they're losing it more frequently than not. Remember it was just Postman before they've calmed down.

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You're. You're. Why's the last postal.

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It used to be the. Oh, he went postal. Nobody even knows what that means.

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No.

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Yeah. So, Dale, it's very interesting that you have a. A kind, compassionate heart.

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Yes.

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For people who are awful. But it's just as bad as dogs.

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And again, I. I just thought I'd bring that because it was fascinating to watch Brooks reaction when the two stories were back to back.

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I think kids and dogs and old people. It's helplessness. I feel like there's a little more helplessness with the dog. That they have to trust us.

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Yeah.

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In order to survive, they have to have us. And for someone to do something terrible to them, it's like, my God, like, what's wrong with that one? If somebody just lost it's screw loose. Like, I think it's more relatable for a screw to get loose and somebody's. Well, of course he started shooting. He was nuts to begin with. But then you see somebody abusing something that's methodical and, you know, torturous. It's different. It's just different. People are awful. People are awful.

[B]

See, John, now, this is entertaining conversation.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That you couldn't sell a Thursday with us. You couldn't. You couldn't sell a Thursday with this. There's no way. Let's talk about. So do the Diamondbacks make it? Do you think they push? I think they're going to get bounced by one game.

[B]

Yes. I'd rather be out by 10 games.

[A]

But at this point, you got to be looking at it like you, you almost have to consider, you know, the general manager and Tory Lavello for end of the year awards for, you know.

[B]

I wouldn't go that far.

[A]

Why not?

[B]

Those moves worked. The general manager for sure. Not because he's. He's sold on the season.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The whole team, maybe entire league coach in National League.

[A]

I'm looking at Tory Lavello. If they make the playoffs, he's coach of the year.

[B]

If they make the play.

[A]

If he makes the playoffs, Craig Counsel and then Pat Murphy up there in Milwaukee, they've got it. But you can't argue that a dude who had the general manager say, we're getting rid of everybody, this season's over, and he's like, hold my beer. And the next thing you know, they're. They're flirting with and maybe going to the playoffs.

[B]

Tell me this. You were in the game last Night I was watching on tv.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Were there more Dodger fans or Diamondbacks?

[A]

Yes. And Diamondback fans. I've said it before. I'll say it again. They absolutely suck. They don't know when to cheer. They don't know how to cheer. And I have a. I have a theory as to why. Is because they were. They were treated like idiots when this franchise started and they still treat them like idiots because they've been prompted by that screen. When to cheer. They don't. They don't actually know when to cheer. Two strike counts in tie games in the extra innings. The crowd gets up. You're supposed to get loud. The bright. It's supposed to have energy in the.

[B]

Room when it's your team out in the field.

[A]

Dodger fans did it last night. Diamondback fans. The screen will go. It's taking a long time. Because I've been saying that since 19 or since. That's because 98 season screen tells them what to do. So when it says get loud, they go. Have you ever stops and they stop.

[B]

Have you ever. The four of us, a quick poll. Have any of you ever looked at the screen to decide how you're going to respond to.

[A]

No. Absolutely not. No.

[B]

No.

[A]

Because I know how to. I know what I'm watching, but that's why I'm there. But when that screen says screen, you'll hear. And then it goes off the screen and everybody sits quietly. So it's. It's. It's Clockwork Orange. They just. Whatever the screen says, they do it until the screen says not to. The crowd was so much better in the first three years with Drew. Hey, Batta in there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When they had that. Wow. That's. Hey, look, he's wearing a clockwork orange shirt. I mentioned it. Larry came in, showed a shirt.

[B]

Anyway. Yeah.

[A]

Because your wife knows when to cheer.

[B]

Yes. And again, I did Rattler games this year. Zone Rattler, then Door Football League team. And the fans in the third quarter would do the wave when they had the ball.

[A]

They did that last night when they had the ball.

[B]

It's like, what are you doing?

[A]

The wave was going on last night when the Diamondbacks are. They're pitching a band playing on the warning track.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I hate it. I hate Arizona fans in general, but that was my point. Suns with the Cardinals when the Coyotes were here because they're.

[B]

They're useful. Yeah.

[A]

So that's why they'll never have nice things. They don't care.

[B]

There's no fan of the Diamondbacks right now who actually believes that they're gonna make the playoffs.

[A]

Well, if they do, they're a little delusional.

[B]

No, but again, that's what a fan base is. Yeah. Basis to be fanatic and be delusional and say but. But there's nobody in Arizona thinks the diebacks gonna make sure playoffs.

[A]

And if they do, they'll do what they did in 2023 if they don't make the World Series there he's like, man, they suck. That's where the fan base stinks. They will not appreciate the idea.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That this left for dead carcass of a team is possibly in the playoffs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's crazy that they could do it. And I. It's a. I would give Tory Lavella manager of the year and I'd look at the GM and go, I don't know if you meant it, but you might be executive of the year for this because I don't know what just happened, but everything you've pulled up and put in place has been as far as gone.

[B]

Every time you say something smart, then.

[A]

You say something that's smart.

[B]

And I don't like that.

[A]

All right, well, that's from a permanent guest, so who cares? The permanent guest of John Holmberg's amazing podcast, the sports thing. It's unreal. You can find it in all your platforms for podcasting and everything else.

[B]

Can you get on Podbean? Yeah, I'm a big Podbean guy.

[A]

Podbean. I don't even.

[B]

Yeah, you can get it. Pretty sure.

[A]

I think we're number two on Podbean. Pretty sure. Anyway, you just put John Holmberg and it goes to wherever.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And then you put in permanent guest and it has a blank space. But hey, that's pretty good. So you can check that out. We'll have another episode after today. We'll get into that. We're going to do some picks, too. I just wanted to ask you something else. Are you. If as a former player, like what's going on in New York with the Giants and Jackson darts now the quarterback. Right. After three weeks. Keep in mind how fickle this is. Everybody's fired. He threw for 500 yards a week ago. He has a bad week and they pull the plug and they put a rookie in. They expect results to be better than what they've gotten and they're not going to pull the plug on him. Why did we go through this charade?

[B]

Because I think you were. I think what day Ball and company were hoping. Number one. It's cya. Oh, they Ball is trying to keep a job for another year.

[A]

He's fired.

[B]

Okay. And most likely he's going to be fired. But I think they're trying to get maybe four or five games because there's. The beginning of their schedule is pretty tough. And then put Jackson dart in. You know, this is. It's exactly like Kurt Warner and Eli Manning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

After three or four games, I mean Kurt wasn't playing horrendous.

[A]

He wasn't good.

[B]

Yeah, he was. Yeah. And Russell's had one unbelievable game against a horrible team. Horrible defense.

[A]

The Dallas Cowboys.

[B]

Yeah. Horrible defense. Yeah. I can't defend it.

[A]

No, you shouldn't.

[B]

Yeah, I can't.

[A]

They can't defend it either.

[B]

You can't defend your offense line in Pittsburgh.

[A]

Oh, that's fine. They're 2 and 1. They can fix their problem.

[B]

I don't know. Maybe.

[A]

But Dallas has a Dallas.

[B]

I'm not. I don't even root for him. John. The further they get away from the glory days, the more special we become.

[A]

That's very true. And people have described you as special quite a bit.

[B]

Yeah. We'll be right back.

[A]

You're going to take a break after that permanent guest.

[B]

You jump in.

[A]

There was nothing to say.

[B]

He was. He knew.

[A]

There was nothing to follow. Exclamation. He couldn't because he had to pick up the microphone. I dropped. Dale Hellustray is here. He's brought to you by our friends over at diamond coating. Diamondcoatingsaz.com get that garage floor first. Then work on your pavers. Then get the house paint. They do it all and they'll do it for you. Diamond coatings AZ.com we'll go with Dale's picks next. It's 98.

[B]

Holmberg's morning sickness.

[A]

Every second was better than the last.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Dale Hellas trace here.

[B]

By the way. I was. I was at Moon Valley yesterday. Golf, the country club and your. And your girl. Now I am known as trouble.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Oh, the car. The car girl that. I said the C word.

[A]

I said the C word to it. Why, Dale?

[B]

Dale, why'd you get fired? Why? Why?

[A]

We could get into that. This is not true. I am innocent. I said C word. And she goes, what word are you talking about? And I said oh yeah.

[B]

And you said it very loud.

[A]

And then she goes, I'm glad he said it. And then I said it in a Scottish accent and she got all excited.

[B]

Yeah. And then. And now I'm known as trouble around the club.

[A]

That was before.

[B]

Who's a bald headed guy? That you brought out here.

[A]

And they said. I said, dale, like, oh, the other bald head. That has nothing to do with it. And she's not. If she's grown up and can't hear the C word, she's not that grown up.

[B]

Issue. Oh, my God. Again, I've never said she's grown up. I'm just saying now I'm known as trouble. And you literally had the audacity to look at me and go, why?

[A]

Why?

[B]

Why?

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Why you get fired? Why?

[A]

Why you get fired because of yourself.

[B]

You got fired because you're an idiot.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't get you fired. They were looking for reasons. Deals out, so. But he's. Now he's the permanent guest.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

On the wildly successful Holmbergs.

[B]

So that's the podcast. It's been called. It's a sports thing now. It's the home bird.

[A]

I think it's the sports thing or this sports thing. We don't really know the name. But now it's Holmberg Sports Podcast with permanent guest Dale Hellis. It's just sports. Yeah. Yeah, that could be it. It doesn't matter what the title is. Holmberg's sports Podcast, it's taken off and I think once we cut some dead weight, this thing's gonna go.

[B]

Is that Nash you talking about?

[A]

We'll start. We'll start there. We'll get. We'll get to where we go eventually. Last week, Dale, you were the. You and Brett ruined it. Ruined it by picking the Cowboys over the Bears. And last week's pool, brutal defeat for your Cowboys just get. Just trounced by the Bears team.

[B]

We could put a flag football team together and score against that defense.

[A]

Now you say that and then they'll go out and do something with really impressive. They played the Eagles great.

[B]

They did. But I think that was an aberration. I think the packers are gonna just steamroll.

[A]

You know how many people just fainted because you said aberration? If it's a cover, it's six and a half.

[B]

No, no, no. Not one chance in hell they cover.

[A]

All right, let's get right to it. We'll start with your Cowboys. Dale, who do they play this week?

[B]

The Packers.

[A]

No, that's right, the Packers. And. And you say you were taking the Packers? Yes, hands down. Brett, your Bears are taking on the Las Vegas Raiders right up here. Did they get you to get to that game? Of course not. Did you not follow through?

[B]

I can't transfer him now. If you had invited me.

[A]

What do you mean you can't know.

[B]

That was the offer. Hey, it's just like my brother. My brother, his daughter's flying because she came into some money from her grandmother, passed away flying her and my brother to Dallas to go to a cowboy game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't invite me. They're going together.

[A]

Doesn't that say a lot about you?

[B]

And then my brother calls me and says, hey, can you help. Help us with some tickets? I'm like, where's the invite?

[A]

You don't do that, Brett.

[B]

That's what Brett did.

[A]

You want to go see a Bears game?

[B]

I. I love that stadium. No, I haven't.

[A]

Well, why don't you two go together and you get four tickets and you introduce Brett to your wife?

[B]

I. I could just get one. I would have no problem.

[A]

It's worse than.

[B]

I know he's not. No, he's not.

[A]

You have.

[B]

You haven't heard him, but I know that he would handle himself.

[A]

So let me tell you this. When you're sitting with your lovely Brooke.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Brett's sitting with his wife, and his wife says something like, brett, go get me a beer. And he lifts his hand, he goes, get it yourself for five across the face. Do you think Brooke's gonna be all right with that?

[B]

I don't think he would do that.

[A]

That's exactly what he would do.

[B]

He would be up and what am I? If you could get three, grab me one. He would. He would.

[A]

I don't know what year you think it is, but slavery was banned. Get it yourself, broad. That's what he would say.

[B]

And you would handle himself.

[A]

He would.

[B]

Professional.

[A]

Ten times worse than I am.

[B]

For three hours on Sunday, hang out together.

[A]

Terrible gauge of. Of who's right and who's wrong.

[B]

I couldn't transfer them. I have to be there.

[A]

So if Dale.

[B]

So invite me next.

[A]

Well, invite him right now. It's not too late. It's Thursday. You guys can make this work.

[B]

It's this weekend.

[A]

Yeah, see, he didn't even check into it. Look. And he didn't even look at this.

[B]

He reached out to me 10 days ago. I call. I mean, I emailed them, and they said no. Yes, you could get two tickets to any game. And my buddy John Giesick could have gotten his 2. But we can't transfer them. Okay with that?

[A]

Like electronics, you can't make a phone call and say, hey, this is a gift for a great friend of mine.

[B]

You know who I am?

[A]

I'm Dale. I'm not gonna be able to make it.

[B]

I never played a regular Season game for you.

[A]

I also would say, I'm Dale hellasre. H E L L. You couldn't call them and say, I'm not gonna be able to use them, but this means the world to me. If you could just let my friend have no.

[B]

Because then everybody does it. And one person tell people you.

[A]

You BS your way through and you get Brett some tickets. You are terrible. You're a terrible friend who didn't try. This is why nobody. This is why nobody says, my pal Dale.

[B]

I. When you sent me the text, I said, I will do my very best. And then you said, okay, I'm just going to tell Brett you can't get him to quote.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I said. I did, actually, to quote the song. I guess your best wasn't good enough. So here we are, right where we were before.

[B]

But now if Brett would have said, dale, we're going up there next weekend. Why don't you and your wife come up with us? I. I get 14. I don't know who you're going with. My wife. Yeah, the four of us would have a good time.

[A]

And now he comes up with. If I'd have known that.

[B]

I mean, you could have gone. You might have been going with one of your west side friends.

[A]

Don't hang out on the west side, first of all. No, I don't hang out with.

[B]

One of your machete buddies.

[A]

All right, well, the game you're not going to see in person, as you kind of had your hopes on that one. But Dale didn't come through taking the bears or the raiders. Bears got lots of injuries, but both one and two.

[B]

I'll.

[A]

I'll go with my Bears. Going with the bears again. All right, baby. The raiders haven't shown me nothing either, so this is going to be a real barn burner. Brady Broncos.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was going to say, do we even. Do we even need to do this for the rest of the year? They're not going to win another game.

[B]

Oh, they will.

[A]

They'll steal one.

[B]

And I just hope it's that one where he's the only one, because I would love to see 25 come out of Brady's.

[A]

Oh, that would be kind of. No, it's going to be crowbars and WD40 to get it out of there.

[B]

Yeah, I'll pin him down. You grab his wallet. Yeah.

[A]

My Steelers are playing the Vikings in Ireland. And the only reason. Yes, 6:00am the only reason to get together. Oh, yeah. We might be having a slumber party Saturday night. Sleep it Off Drink also.

[B]

Yeah. Breakfast food.

[A]

We're ordering that up right now. Well, we got some plan. None of your business, really.

[B]

Well, I'm not. I'm not coming.

[A]

I know. You're damn right you're not going over. Yeah, I know. Well, we're both aware of that.

[B]

Unless I spend the night.

[A]

No, that's not happening either. But I'm going to give the nod to the Steelers only because of the emotional factor that Dan Rooney, former. Well, owner, but passed away, was the ambassador of the United States to Ireland. And we have a huge following in Ireland because of that. So I think the crowd's going to be heavy. Steelers, I think. But that's. It's a tough one. It's a whole.

[B]

Not gonna know when to cheer, either.

[A]

It's a home game in Ireland. Steeler fans will know. A lot of people mix. People travel. No, the mix. The mix will be in the. They'll be doing. Just cheering along at the same time. So Steeler fans will direct us. I'm gonna take my Steelers. So we got the Steelers. We got everybody picked against their teams except Brett and I. And that means the one guy that if there's one miss, you pay everybody the $25. That's your. That's your yes.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Deal.

[B]

We all have different picks because last week, Brett and I, we saved each other. Yeah.

[A]

So basically, this is only a plus. Wow. Is that right? That can't be right. That can't be. It says it's a dual saying. Man, oh, man. That's not good. Somehow I'm not. I'm not betting this. We got to change our bets. This thing doesn't pay a penny. Let's try again here. That can't be right.

[B]

Well, we all took favorites.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The Bears weren't the favorite. I thought it was. Wasn't it almost even? I guess we did kind of all take favorites. You guys don't have any faith in your teams at all?

[B]

No. I mean, six and a half points. You're not getting anything on that. You take the Packers.

[A]

No, that's bad. Yeah, it's a minus 330. So we'll actually just make 70 bucks on this thing, but that's fine. Yeah, whatever.

[B]

I'm cheering for one of your two teams. So I get. So I could win 25 back.

[A]

We'll actually get more that way.

[B]

25 would be better than the 20 I get from the bat.

[A]

We get more from that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's terrible. Anyway. Oh, it's a plus.615. Okay. Never mind. Good. There we go. All right. Did you hit the wrong button? Yeah, I just had the other. I had another bet on there. Okay, we're good.

[B]

We're good. So how much can we win?

[A]

600. Well, it'll be five because I'm taking my hundred investment out. Because you're not kicking in a penny.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[A]

Well, you got to put the money down. Yeah. You got to bet you're not just going to win off.

[B]

Don't just suck after John.

[A]

Well, that's the way the world does. That is how everything. Come on. There's two things I know, Brett and I. When. When someone pays for your bet, you suck that out of the win. Right. And number two, when someone says, hey, can you get me tickets? And you say yes, you get those tickets. That's how the world.

[B]

Doing that.

[A]

Right. I get to. Does Brett need tickets for me right now? No. Okay, well. And you do. I'll get them for you. But if I say I can. Thank you. You want me to get your tickets to the Bears and Raiders this weekend? I'll just buy.

[B]

Are you still going?

[A]

No. I had all my hopes and dreams pinned.

[B]

Here's the thing I love about you, is that it's you're a nice enough guy that there was no heart in that dig, right?

[A]

No, there really wasn't.

[B]

Are you to come across like you met that at all? Not at all. What are you looking at?

[A]

This one says John. Finally, a great way to hear Dale talk sports just beyond Thursdays on hms. I'm so glad you're giving him a start in sports talk business by making him a permanent guest on your sports podcast. Someone finally need to give him a chance.

[B]

Yeah. Sign.

[A]

Rob Wood, WTSM TV programming. Well done. It's not weird.

[B]

It's pretty cool actually.

[A]

No membership fees. I have heard enough of this for you, pd.