09-26-25 - Seahawks Beat Cardinals On TNF But John Argues No Ginger Like Sam Darnold Will Ever Win A Super Bowl - Rarely Is A JR As Good As Their Dad In Sports Because They Never Struggled

Summary

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Holmberg’s Morning Sickness

Episode Date: September 26, 2025
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The crew recaps the Thursday Night Football game where the Seahawks beat the Cardinals, leading to a hilarious in-depth discussion about the “ginger curse” in sports, specifically the belief that redheaded (“ginger”) quarterbacks like Sam Darnold will never win a Super Bowl. The conversation also delves into why “Juniors” (athletes named after successful fathers) rarely live up to their legacy, using Marvin Harrison Jr. as the prime example. Plenty of sports banter, jabs at the Cardinals, and playful speculation about genetics and sports curses make for a lively episode.

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Seahawks Beat Cardinals: Uniforms, Game Recap, and Kyler Murray

• Arizona Cardinals' New Uniforms:

  • John opens with a rant about the Cardinals’ new, “diarrhea-splattered” jerseys, comparing them to “someone threw wet diarrhea through a screen” ([00:40]).
  • Rich explains they’re meant to represent “being in a sandstorm” ([01:42]).
  • John jokes the Cardinals alone are “in the sandstorm,” leaving the other team unaffected, and adds the field and helmet design were better than the uniforms ([01:49]).

• Cardinals vs. Seahawks – Brief Recap:

  • John congratulates Rich on his Seahawks’ win (“Congratulations to your Seahawks...I enjoyed the hell out of [the game]” [02:23]).
  • Rich: “I'm becoming like you with Kyler Murray,” to which John replies by disliking Kyler’s attitude and decisions ([02:46]).

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The “Ginger Curse”: Can Redheaded Quarterbacks Ever Win the Super Bowl?

• John’s Central Hypothesis:

  • “You’re cursed with a ginger quarterback and that will never ever result in a Super Bowl. Quarterback. It's been preordained…there will never be a ginger Super bowl champion. It's never going to occur.” ([02:52]–[03:15])

• Debate Over Examples and Exceptions:

  • John and Rich try to recall any ginger QBs who have come close, name-dropping Andy Dalton (“Dalton and Darnold are both...going to fall down the line of people who never hoisted a Lombardi” [11:22]) and others—Boomer Esiason (“Boomer was an albino” [03:55]) is humorously dismissed as not qualifying.
  • John: “Gingers have been invented to be the bad guy, never the hero” ([03:48]).
  • Discussion derails into whether certain athletes—across sports or with borderline red hair—count (e.g., Brian Scalabrine, Justin Turner) ([07:41]-[08:07]). John asserts only “true gingers” (full red hair, “shock of red hair”) qualify ([12:36]).
  • “It's not ginger hate...like midgets, you have special powers. And I avoid you.” ([08:37])—John, with his trademark irreverence.

• Notable/Comedic Quotes:

  • “If you're pinning your hopes on your quarterback being a super ging and getting to the Super Bowl, start a new hobby because you got February's free.” ([25:25])
  • “You can't have a ginger be the hero. I'm sorry to all gingers. You can't do it. You're always the guy who helped the hero or got in the hero's way. You're cursed.” ([06:10])

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Juniors in Sports: The Shadow of the Successful Parent

• Marvin Harrison Jr. vs. Sr.:

  • John criticizes the trend of expecting greatness from "Juniors": "Marvin Harrison Sr. was awesome. He fought real hard...Marvin Harrison Jr. was always the son of Marvin Harrison. You got the kid who was raised in the lap of luxury...he’s just not his dad, and it shows. He’s mopey. He quit.” ([16:10]–[17:04])

• Work Ethic Discussion:

  • John sees a pattern where successful self-made fathers’ children lack their drive: “A lot of rich self-made men have kids that are like lazy losers that are named Junior...all of them.” ([17:04]-[18:48])
  • Brady (guest): “He was better than everybody in college. That wasn’t hard for him. Now that it’s work, it does…a lot of guys, it’s always been easy for me. I’ve always been the star. And now you’re making me work and I’m not gonna do that well.” ([17:21]-[17:29])

• Other “Junior” Cautionary Tales:

  • Examples include Joey Porter Jr., Bronny James, Michael Jordan Jr., and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
  • “The worst thing you could ever do is be the greatest of all time...and name your kid after you.” ([20:09])

• Notable Quotes:

  • “He chooses when to be good. That’s the worst player you can have on a team is a guy who takes plays off—the worst player you can have on a team.” ([23:14])
  • “You can’t compare college to the pros. He could half ass it in college and get away with it because he’s more athletic than a lot of people. Worst thing you can put on a team is a dude who kind of plays when he feels like it.” ([23:56]–[24:01])

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Cardinals Personnel Calls and Roster Culture

• Kyler Murray:

  • Rich and John both express skepticism over his leadership and future, with John referencing both his on-field and off-field controversies ([02:46]–[02:52]).

• Marvin Harrison Jr. – Trade Him?

  • John: “I am all about the Cardinals...trade him while people still think he’s good. Because what you’re going to keep putting on tape is a guy who doesn’t try a lot.” ([21:16])

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More on Sports Curses and Genetics

• Seahawk’s Ginger QB (Sam Darnold):

  • “Dalton and Darnold are both…gonna fall down the line of people who never hoisted a Lombardi. I’m right about this.” ([11:22])

• Red-haired Athletes and Curses:

  • Listeners call in with names of “possible” gingers across sports, like Ricky Carmichael and Canelo Alvarez, which John swiftly dismisses unless they fit his “American sports people care about” criteria ([14:06]–[14:45]).
  • “You know what a ginger [is]. When you see it…That dude is red.” ([12:36])

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Humorous Side Bars and Cultural Observations

• On Cardnials Uniform Colors:

  • “Cardinals look like Emma Stone naked last night...Just. That was a good game. It was fun.” ([15:20]-[15:27])

• Arch Manning & His Ears:

  • “I look at Arch Manning and I think, he can’t hold up a Lombardi because of his ears.…They pop out and make a noise. Yeah, everyone giggles. Baby New Year.” ([27:44]–[28:57])

• Listener Jokes and Texts:

  • Redheads are “fire in bed” ([25:20]), but John doubles down: “They’re still never going to hoist a Lombardi.”

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• Cardinals’ New Uniform Diatribe: [00:40]–[02:15]
• Seahawks/Cardinals Recap – John’s Dislike of Kyler: [02:46]–[03:02]
• Start of Ginger Quarterback Curse Rant: [02:52]–[05:06]
• Attempts to Name Ginger Champions in Pro Sports: [07:41]–[14:45]
• Discussion About Juniors Not Living Up to Dads, Marvin Harrison Jr.: [16:10]–[21:16]
• Joey Porter Jr., Bronny, Michael Jordan Jr.—The “Junior” Curse: [20:09]–[22:55]
• Discussion about Arch Manning’s ears: [27:44]–[28:57]

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Memorable Quotes

• John, on the ginger curse:
  “Biblically, Quran, any sort of polytheism in India has all said there will never be a ginger Super Bowl champion. It’s never going to occur.” ([03:02]–[03:15])

• John, on the “Junior” curse:
  “How many kids do you know who are lazier than their fathers? All of them. Almost. A successful dad? Yeah, you’re not going to be the same.” ([17:04]-[18:48])

• On Marvin Harrison Jr.:
  “He’s just not his dad, and it shows. He’s mopey. He quit.” ([17:04])

• Rich, on Andy Dalton's ginger status:
  “If you put Dale Earnhardt Jr. next to Sam Darnold, Dale just has to be with you.” ([11:22])

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Episode Summary

This episode fuses sports analysis with irrepressible comedy, as John Holmberg leads an extended roast on the “ginger curse”—the theory that no true redheaded quarterback will ever win a Super Bowl—while playfully raising the bar for what counts as “ginger.” The show takes entertaining detours into Cardinals uniform design, the inevitable disappointment for fans of “Juniors,” and various oddities and curses in American pro sports. Longtime listeners will appreciate the signature blend of irreverence, references, and inside jokes, while even casual fans will find the rants about sports genetics and uniforms memorable and hilarious.

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Transcript

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[John]

The old method of treatment for a person in this condition was to throw him in jail. Good morning, everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Friday it is the morning sickness. My name's John. How are you? Good. You look nice. Hope you're well rested. There's Brady, there's Brett, there's Big Dick Toledo. And we're flying through Friday morning. I'm especially fine with the way things ended last night with the Cardinals uniforms that look like somebody threw wet diarrhea through a screen on their jerseys. I'm not real sure exactly what the splatter's about, but I did love the field. I'll say that. I thought the end zones. Last night's game looked awesome. That was neat. And that the Arizona flag kind of the sunbeams that came to the. Did you go last night, Rich? You didn't go. That was a really cool field. But it does look like somebody threw a wet poop at them through a screen.

[Rich]

The official explanation is that it's supposed to depict being in a sandstorm.

[John]

Oh.

[Rich]

You play the Cardinals in the sandstorm?

[John]

No, the Cardinals are in the sandstorm. Yeah. The other team doesn't seem to be affected. Yeah, the Cardinals are dirty and they look like they need. Their uniforms just look kind of dirty. I love the helmets. Helmets are kind of dug. The helmets. The new logo was cool, but at first I'm like, hey, those are neat. And I like. No, they just look. They look like diarrhea just chucked through a screen. It's gross.

[Rich]

Somebody walked by a fan.

[John]

Yeah. And they just. We got the whole Cardinal team with diarrhea and a fan through a screen. They're covered in our. That's hilarious.

[Guest]

Freckles.

[John]

It's freckles. Yeah, it's uniform freckles. I wasn't a big fan, but I don't Care. Because I am currently at odds with the Cardinals thanks to their lack of any sort of action against Kyler Murray for that whole Michael Vick thing. I can have that stand. I'll take that stand. So I was thrilled. Congratulations to your Seahawks. Loved it at not only the beatdown for three quarters, the comeback and the ultimate disappointment. I enjoyed the hell out.

[Rich]

I'm told you when I came in I'm becoming like you with Kyler Murray.

[John]

And you don't like him.

[Rich]

Lamar Jackson. I just.

[John]

You're a Sea Sacks fan. That makes sense. That makes really hate him. But you're cursed with a ginger quarterback and that will never ever result in a Super bowl. Quarterback.

[Rich]

After last night.

[John]

Just know this. It has been preordained. Biblically, Quran, any sort of polytheism in India has all said there will never be a ginger super bowl champion. It's never going to occur.

[Rich]

Brandon Whedon.

[John]

Oh, Andy Rifle. You will never see a true ginger.

[Podcast Host]

He'd like that.

[John]

Holding up the Lombardi Trophy. It is. That is the seventh of seven songs. Okay, you want to talk Thief in the Night? Ginger. Holding up a Vince Lombardi trophy is never going to have. Sorry, gingers. You can't have it. You never will. There will never be one. Ever. Name somebody who's been close. Ever. Gingers don't win championships like that. They're not. No.

[Rich]

Nobody's even been in the championship because.

[John]

Gingers have been invented to be the bad guy, never the hero.

[Rich]

Boomer. Now he was blind.

[John]

Boomer was an albino. Yeah, that's true. And he didn't win it. He got close. You can feel sorry for the Albino, but he can't be a hero. Can't happen.

[Rich]

Me thinking now, has any of them ever made the championship game?

[John]

No, because they can't. It is. It's in the rules of the NFL that that can't happen. They'll take it from them. FanDuel won't allow it. Wizardry. Is that right?

[Rich]

Does Rattler qualify there too?

[John]

Spencer Rattler will never win a Super bowl for other reasons. But the ginger thinks not help. Black gingers are. My God. You think that the black quarterbacks had a rough road in the NFL? Imagine being a black ginger quarterback. My. My Christ. But yeah, it can't happen. So yeah, how about that? Take that, Toledo. But enjoy it because you're going to win some games and he's going to play well until obviously it matters and.

[Rich]

Then see in January. John.

[John]

No, I hope you've got a ginger quarterback and those things Wizardry at play. You can not have it all. Comes back to balance. The. The earth's balance comes back to play. And a ginger will never be a champion. Can't happen. Cannot happen.

[Podcast Host]

Boy, what a kick in the nuts.

[John]

Friday off, he could play basketball as a team and. And share, and he never won one and share in a championship. The closest thing you're going to get to is Bill Walton. And that was sort of not gingery. It was more just that reddish brown. I'm talking ginger. Like Dalton. Like. Like your guy, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, he's. He's got super ginger head.

[Rich]

I don't know. Walton, when he won the championship, was pretty red.

[John]

He's the only one, and I still don't know for sure. And he had a lot more going on, like, kind of counterbalancing the ginger with stuttering and the drug addiction. I don't know what the hell was going on with Walton.

[Rich]

Joe Klein. Did Joe Klein ever win?

[John]

Doesn't know. You're just going to keep naming off gingers that are walking around with no rings in their hands. Damn it. Just like a ginger woman. No rings.

[Guest]

Just trying to think of a ginger.

[John]

Go ahead. Do it all day. I'll sit and wait for you guys, and you can rack your brains, but you're wasting your time.

[Rich]

And I'm doing some research.

[John]

Yeah, the. The. The earth is at play here. It's not just what we wish and hope for. It is the balance, the axis of the planet.

[Guest]

You should even have a ginger on your team.

[John]

No, no, you can't have one at the helm, quarterback. You will never see one on a. On a stage hoisting the Lombardi. Can't happen. He cannot be the hero. Sure, you can have some dude in the trenches pushing other guys, but he'll never be the guy that Terry Bradshaw or, you know, somebody interviews at the end going, you did it. You're the hero. Mvp. Oh, my God. MVP is never going to occur. He can. He just can't be the hero. You can't have a ginger be the hero. I'm sorry to all gingers. You can't do it. You're always the guy who helped the hero or got in the hero's way. You're cursed. It just can't happen. Carson Wentz. Maybe somebody's already.

[Podcast Host]

We're just talking football, right?

[John]

Yeah, he's a little reddish, but again, some people say that was the work of the devil when the Eagles won that in the first place. I don't see that as true. Ginger. It's Reddish. I'm talking ginger. I'm talking. You know what a ginger is not just some guy who's like, brady's not a ginger. But you've got reddish features in your hair. It's not. It's not. Redhead. Holy cow. Redhead. Our friend up at action ride shop, Josh, True ginger. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he's asked me, he said, if you could grow your hair back but it would be ginger and you had to do all the things that ginger does, would you want your hair back? And I said, ah, maybe for a day or two. And he goes, never. He goes, don't you like being in the sun? I'm like, oh, I guess that's true. Yeah, but eliminate. He would tell you, right? That's horrible.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, here he comes.

[John]

Here he comes with an answer.

[Guest]

Breaking news.

[John]

Go ahead. Who is it?

[Rich]

To your point, your qualifier still holds. Brian Scalabrine.

[John]

I don't even know who that is.

[Rich]

Is redheaded for the Celtics from a couple years.

[John]

Okay. Like I said, he's not the hero. He wasn't the one that said congratulations. Without Brian Scalabridi, this would have never happened.

[Podcast Host]

Justin Turner.

[John]

They got Rogers. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no. Take him off the team. They still win.

[Rich]

Wasn't he the MVP that year?

[John]

Covid year. That doesn't account for anything. Again, the devil' Covid year. Yeah. And nobody could watch, so everything was off balance. Don't bring me Covid year or the Spanish flu. I'm talking in a normal time here. Gingers can't be heroes. In fact, in the worst time in our lives, a ginger rose up and brought the Dodgers. That tells you that I'm more right.

[Rich]

The Internet lists Chuck Norris as the most famous.

[John]

His most famous redhead. Yeah, there's a difference to me.

[Guest]

Just had his birthday.

[John]

Reddish hair and gingers are two different things, Norris. At 85, it's those devil eyes that the gingers have. The ones that are real. True redheads. The real gingers. Redheads, you're almost there. And it's going to be a harder road for you. True gingers will never win. And you can fight me all day with your kind of this, kind of that, but it's for. It's true and it isn't. Somebody just says, it's ginger hate. And I'm like, no, no, no, I don't hate the gingers. I just know you have special. Like midgets, you have special powers. And I. And I avoid you, you know, And. And I would say this. I'll put my. I'll put this I would say a little person or someone with autism will be a Super Bowl MVP before a ginger. Jeez. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Extreme. Like Asperger, too. We're not talking about, like, a little on, but we're talking like this dude has social problems.

[Rich]

Not football. But Sean White doesn't.

[John]

Not. Not a sport. Mark McGuire cheated. Whole time. Ginger display. And he never won a championship. After the A's thing and back when he was with the A's, his hair was kind of brown.

[Rich]

The last one I have is Dale Earnhardt Jr.

[John]

I'm not going to count that either.

[Rich]

No.

[John]

And. And did he. I don't know.

[Rich]

Was he got a cup title?

[John]

Nobody even knows. Okay. That's how much hillbilly over.

[Podcast Host]

It supersedes the ginger part.

[John]

Okay. Was it heroic? I drive. Yes.

[Podcast Host]

So does Megan, too.

[John]

Yeah, exactly. Women. Women and Asians do it. I mean, how. Come on. That's not.

[Rich]

All right. That's all I got there.

[John]

Yeah. No. You want to throw Dale Earnhardt at me. He's not a true ginger. He's close. That might be the ginger. No, I'm talking ginger. If you've seen Andy Dalton, I know.

[Rich]

If you put Dale Earnhardt Jr. Next to Sam Darnold, Dale just has to be with you.

[John]

Reddish hair. Holmberg's morning sickness. We're talking gingers here. Everybody wants to equate poor people with just a little bit of red hair into the ginger category. And it is a very specific category. Dalton is it. Dalton and Darnold are both. And alphabetically ginger. They're just gonna fall down the line of people who never hoisted a Lombardi. I'm right about this. It's just they've got the weird, like, kind of oh, can't be in the sun face. And although Dalton is much, much more ginger. See, that's just kind of reddish. He's not a ginger. Come on. You're pushing ginger on this one in a huge way. Look at the one in the blue up there. The. The. Without the hat. Come on. That's kind of reddish brown hair. I'm talking true. A doctor says there's some sort of DNA thing here. You have red hair. This guy's got a mix. Some of his dad's hair got in there. He's got some. He's got some red eyes. Yeah. He's got. He's got brownish influences. That's all you need is something to tamp it down a little bit.

[Rich]

He's not.

[John]

Yeah, he's not a ginger. He's got reddish Hair. I'd say Brady is that kind of reddish hair. Not anymore. It's now silver and gone. So it's. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I remember when he tried that and it was like, you're. This is ridiculous. Brady's hair is pink and clear now. So it's not. I know it upsets people, but it's true. And you can sit and rattle off a bunch of them.

[Podcast Host]

Said Dale Jr. Never won a championship.

[John]

He didn't.

[Podcast Host]

I don't know. That's what somebody said. I don't watch enough nascar.

[John]

I don't know anything about that either.

[Podcast Host]

Canelo.

[John]

Canelo's an interesting one. Canelo's an interesting one. I don't know if it applies to Spanish. People are. Yeah, that might be just wizardry at play. I don't know. I don't know how that works. Yeah. Again, it's. It's out of the country. I'm talking about real sports. NFL America, stuff like that. You can start throwing soccer at me. I'm like. Stuff people watch. Like if a ginger wins in the wnba. And again, tree. The forest. Yeah, I'm sure there's been ginger soccer players. No one cares.

[Podcast Host]

Ricky Carmichael.

[John]

I don't know who that is. Super cross. Okay, come on. What are we doing? They're just. I can't even picture. Yeah, I know. They want to say Brad Johnson for the Bucks. No. Because he could do it without him. Brad Johnson was the problem. And he wasn't a true ginger either. He had again, he had hints of red hair. You know what you're doing? You people are trying. You're throwing in these cotton. Yeah. You're stretching. I'm talking ginger. You know what a ginger. When you see it. If you're in a restaurant and you see somebody come in with reddish brown hair, you don't stop eating. But when a ginger comes in, you're like, look at that shock of red hair. That dude is red. You know what I'm talking about with the ginger. Dalton Darnold. There aren't many that I went through a harassment period. You. And you just had reddish brown hair. You didn't have ginger features.

[Guest]

No, but when you were, you know, few years back, accused me of being a ginger.

[John]

Yeah. You didn't like it. Did you see it?

[Guest]

No, I don't.

[John]

He was reddish brown. Okay. I said you were borderline ginger. You were close just to get. To get your goat. Because I know it bother. And why would it bother you? Because I'm no devil. Like. Like warlock. Just saying. And I think you're great, fun gingers.

[Rich]

But texters gave us a new one. The Undertaker.

[John]

He's. His hair is black.

[Rich]

I think it's just wet. When.

[John]

Is that it? Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen it turns black whenever it's seen the Undertaker dry then. So he's hiding his ginger.

[Rich]

I wouldn't have immediately said.

[John]

And again. But if your best argument to me is fake wrestling. WWE scripted fake wrestling. Then of course it's like, oh, fiction. They had to write it in there because it's so weird. And he's also the representative of death. Boris Becker. Yeah. Again, a sport that. No, I'm talking American sports. Out of the country. American sports that people care about. That's what I'm talking about. You know, again, soccer. I'm sure there's some weird ginger cricket player in India. It's not a thing. American football, really all I'm talking about and care about. You're not going to hoist the Lombardi. Otherwise. Okay. Happy day. Ginger had a nice moment in a sport no one cares about. Ricky Carmichael, please. Canelo's the closest one you'll get. But I'm not sure if gingers work the same in Mexico. They do a lot of, like, voodoo and stuff, I think. I'm pretty sure that's accurate. I like that you guys are arguing with me about this. It's even more fun.

[Podcast Host]

I'm not arguing.

[John]

I like that it's a double down ginger.

[Guest]

Just pull.

[John]

Think about, oh, yeah. Conor McGregor is not a ginger. He's just a reddish brown.

[Podcast Host]

Now they're pulling out ginger women. Emma Stone, Lindsay Lohan, Amy Adams. And I'm like, do with anything.

[John]

I didn't say we didn't want to see the girl ones. Yeah, gingers are exciting naked. Especially the freckly ones that look like the Cardinals uniforms. Yeah, the Cardinals look like Emma Stone naked last night. Just. That was a good game. It was fun. I was at a dinner, so I had to sit through speeches and things like that, but the game was on in the background. Just to tell you how popular the NFL is, you go to a sit down dinner where they're trying to actually talk about things. You got people speaking and the game's on. It's like just. We. We all know what we've done. The scheduling error is obvious. We're not taking it away.

[Podcast Host]

I was at Eos yesterday, so I didn't get to watch it. I was in a text thread.

[John]

Whatever. But did you see that?

[Podcast Host]

How did Kyler look?

[John]

Yeah, he was fine. He's got a receiver problem in Marvin Harrison Jr.

[Guest]

Here's the problem with the second half.

[John]

Was much better than, well, if Marvin knew where to go, a few of those and if he could hang on to a pass, he dropped like two or three and then pitched one to the Seahawks for. I mean, Marvin, if people. I did this on my wildly successful podcast with my permanent guest, Dale Hella Stray and the rest. I brought up the idea of we have to stop getting excited about people named after people who are great. Marvin Harrison senior was awesome. He fought real hard to get into the NFL and he lived a life that made him tougher. Marvin Harrison Jr. Was always the son of Marvin Harrison. You didn't get Marvin Harrison. You didn't get all the stuff he. But you got the kid who was raised in the lap of luxury. Given everything he's ever wanted, he's never really had to work as hard as his dad did. So he's got the work ethic of his father. It's not ingrained.

[Guest]

Got all the tools.

[John]

It's not ingrained. A lot of rich self made men have kids that are like lazy losers that are named Junior. And I don't. I'm not saying that Marvin's a lazy loser. He's just not his dad. And it shows. He's mopey. He quit.

[Guest]

Well, he came out. I can tell you from.

[John]

You're an Ohio State guy. Yeah.

[Guest]

Was he dropping balls at Ohio State? No, he wasn't. What's interesting, that's how.

[John]

Because there was no stress on him.

[Guest]

The mind can work.

[John]

Because he was better than everybody in college. That wasn't hard for him. Now that it's work. It does. You see this a lot. You see this a lot with guys who are like, it's always been easy for me. I've always been the star. And now you're making me work and I'm not gonna do that. Well. And it shows. He doesn't try on rundowns.

[Guest]

It was definitely.

[John]

Well, it's because he's not working.

[Guest]

Yeah, seemed like watching that game, it seemed like he got over the.

[John]

He's gonna have flashes because he's good.

[Guest]

You know that tip thing. And then all of a sudden.

[John]

But what you're talking about, Brady, is a guy who said, oh, now I'll try. Yeah, and you need that four quarters. I don't want to see a dude suddenly emerge in a game that he wasn't trying the first two quarters because he had something else.

[Guest]

Well, it wasn't trying in. In his head. He had the drops just like he's.

[John]

Had it all year.

[Guest]

That's my take. But I do agree.

[John]

Now explain the moping. Now explain the wrong. Now explain the no blocking. Now explain the. If it's a running play, he doesn't do anything. Now that's a guy who's never had to work to be great. He. He can take plays off. That's because he's always. Ohio State was easy for him because he was better than 10 or 11 guys on the other side every week. He could loaf and still look good. Can't do that now.

[Guest]

It was more unnoticeable.

[John]

And that's what I'm saying, because he was. He could loaf and still look good. You can't do that in the NFL. And DeMarcus Russell is the. Joe Marcus is the perfect example of a dude who had all the talent in the world. And you're like, I'm not working for this. Deandre Ayton was always the best guy on the floor until he wasn't. And that didn't motivate him to get better. He just stayed the same. Like, I'm going to work for this. I've never had to. I don't know how Marvin Harrison Jr. Has to either get a work ethic because everybody keeps wanting him to be as divorced as dad. How many kids do you know who are lazier than their fathers? All of them. Almost a successful dad. Yeah, you're not going to be the same. It's just. How many boxers have we watched that have drugged their kids into the ring? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Didn't want a box. His dad wanted him to. And that name was the greatest boxer in Mexican history by far. There's statues everywhere of that guy. He stuck his son in there and is like, oh, this is going to be great. He's got the work, his dad. It's in his blood. And he'd go out there and occasionally try, and when he put it out there, he'd be like, I'm trying. Look. And he was like, man, he could be great at this if he'd put the effort in consistently. Marvin Harrison Jr. Is a guy who can turn it on and turn it off, and he does, and that makes him bad. Not that he's. There's so many talented dudes in the NFL, but it's all upstairs.

[Podcast Host]

You think the talent's there and it's just, oh, it's 100%. It's up in his head.

[John]

But you can't coach that. He's either got the I'M going to try on rundowns or I'm going to block and I'm going to do this. Or he doesn't. He's either gonna work or he's not. And he's got the Junior curse, which is everybody thinks he's his dad. The Cardinals got excited. They plugged him in immediately. Like, you're just gonna become the next Marvin Harrison. We got the same thing in Pittsburgh with Joey Porter Jr. Everybody wants him to be his dad. His dad was an insane person. Holmberg's morning sickness. Joey grew up rich. Joey Jr. He doesn't have to be insane. He didn't have to fight for anything ever. He became an athlete. It's in his blood. But he never. Bronny Jr. Yeah. And that poor kid's just. I'll give it to Bronny. When you watch him, he's trying, but he doesn't have the skill. He's got no way to live up to that name. Worst thing you could ever do is be the greatest of all time, arguably at something and name your kid after you. Michael Jordan Jr. Has a tough life.

[Podcast Host]

Walter Payton's kid, Walter.

[John]

I don't know if Walter Payton was Walter Jr. But if you. If you tacked on a Walter Jr. Regardless, if you're Peyton, Tom Brady Jr. Would have him. Miserable Tiger Woods Jr. Would have him. Charlie's gonna have a tough enough life. Charlie woods, to carve your own path and then just go ahead. It's. I said it on the podcast yesterday. I am all about the Cardinals looking at that and going, trade him while people still think he's good. Because what you're going to keep putting on tape is a guy who doesn't try a lot. And it's 50% of the game. Marvin's interested, and that's great. 50% he's not. You see stuff bounce into the other team's hands. You can't ever equate how great they were in college because you just don't know how many first round busts are there. Like, this dude dominated. And the second they put him in a pro st, he's like, this is a lot of work. I've never had to work. I've always been great. I'm not. I. This is what you're getting. And I think Marvin might fall into that category. I give it to little Kyler. He's just dumb. He's super athletic, but he's just. He's just too into himself and he's. He can't get. He can't get out of his own way. But I think he works hard. I question Marvin Harrison Jr. Being 110% guy. He's not. I can. I see it. I watch it on Sundays. I see it. He's just not. And Cardinal fans, you. I know you guys agree with me. I know you do. Yeah, it's just tough. But you throw a junior on it and then. But it's, it's, it's misleading because you think, wow, Maserati, Marv. And it's like, okay. They're just. Everybody's praised him his whole life. It's been easy. And the second it got hard, you either turn into a tougher guy or you turn into a moper. And that shows right away. And he's a moper.

[Guest]

Like I said last night, it seemed like maybe the light, which does that every week.

[John]

Every week he has a quarter where you're like, why don't you do this all the time?

[Guest]

Well, that's the problem from the week before because he is in the height of it.

[John]

He dropped him wide open.

[Guest]

That's my perception.

[John]

Again, it doesn't matter if your perception. You're going to pick out the parts where he's good. Give me the three quarters that he's terrible and tell me why. Because he's clearly able to do it. He chooses when to be good. That's the worst player you can have on a team is a guy who takes plays off the worst player you can have on a team. And he takes tons of them off.

[Guest]

I'm talking about getting over the hill of the, the catching.

[John]

He drops the ball all the time. It's been a problem for a year now.

[Podcast Host]

Was he that way in college?

[John]

No, because he never had to try in college. He was just better than everybody.

[Guest]

Which is surprising because he, you know, he, he was the go to guy, of course on there. So I don't think, you know, he. I don't disagree with the work ethic.

[John]

You can't compare college to the pros. You can't do it.

[Guest]

He's missed.

[John]

You can't. You cannot compare college to the pros. He could, he could make mistakes in college and get away with it. He could half ass it in college and get away with it because he's more athletic than a lot of people. Worst thing you can put on a team is a dude who kind of plays when he feels like it. It's the words. The reason George Pickens is in Dallas, that dude's got an astronomical amount of talent. Sometimes he didn't feel like playing.

[Guest]

He was really good at Ohio State. I thought, man, they are really hyping him coming out of there. But that's what they're doing to get him in number one draft.

[John]

You're making my point. His name's Marvin Harrison. It's already pre branded. It's pre branded greatness. Keep in mind, Marvin Harrison Sr. He's another one who got away with one of the most egregious crimes in the history of sport. And he had a gun in his car that was used in a murder. And when they found it, the police were like, this is the gun that was used in a murder. And Marvin said, that's my gun. And they're like, okay, well, it was used in a murder. They didn't accuse him of anything because they weren't sure. Like, that's been. He goes, has anybody else shot this gun? It's never been out of my possession. Well, we've had. We've got the ballistics on this. It's been used in a murder. And he goes, I'm the only person that's ever shot that gun. And the cops are like, are you saying what we think you're saying? And he goes, it's my gun. And I don't know how he was going to go to jail. He had a little court hearing and he just kept saying, no one's ever shot that but me and the lawyers and everybody like you are you. Do you hear yourself? Someone was killed with that. With that gun. We have proof. Yep. I'm the only one who's ever shot it. Like, I don't know. How do we not throw him in jail? And they. It's a crazy story. The Marvin Harrison story is insane. I still don't understand it, but it's an insane story solved. I don't remember how they. It just went away. It's the. It is one of the. And everybody is kind of like, you know, he. He's. He kind of. It was in a car wash that they're like talking to. It was. It's nuts. This guy says with all the stuff you talk about with gingers, redheads are fire in bed. Yeah, girl. Red said that. Yeah. They're still never going to hoist a Lombardi. I didn't say anything about them not having any skills. They're just not going to win a Super Bowl. If you're pinning your hopes on your quarterback being a super ging and getting to the super bowl, start a new hobby because you got February's free, that's.

[Podcast Host]

What Sonny agrees to come here, says all we want to know about ginger.

[John]

Women is are the carpet, the drapes. Yeah, that's it. See, Doug even text me, and he's. His lady friend's name is Joy and she's a redhead. And again, I prove she will never hoist the Lombardi. Doug. That's my point. Justin Turner's kind. He's a super ginger. Eh, Covid year, everything was off there. The whole world was off its axis. We had to put that back. And look at that. In the weirdest year we ever had. It was an opportunity. Yeah, it was there. It was their kind of portal to get. And maybe that's why we had Covid, so a ginger could break through. But otherwise, it just doesn't make sense.

[Guest]

That was their curse.

[John]

Yeah. Yeah. They had to. We had to endure Covid and get the earth back spinning, right? And the ginger snuck in there. It's like, wow, that's proof something was really going wrong. And it's the reason Jimmy Butler calls himself Jimmy Butler and not Michael Jordan Jr. Because if we knew the truth about it, he. He'd be. It would be a problem.

[Podcast Host]

Other than Griffey, have there ever been any juniors that outdid their fathers?

[John]

He's. He's one of the only ones. There's a couple, but, man, it is. I mean, it's tough. And Ken Griffey was really good.

[Podcast Host]

He was. But he.

[John]

I don't know that he's.

[Podcast Host]

Junior was.

[John]

Junior was a different animal. And there's been a few. You know, Pat Mahomes, he's not a junior, but his dad played and stuff like that. You get some guys who had. But his dad. Well, the dad was insane, but he wasn't juniors. Yeah.

[Guest]

Is. I can't think of any but like, a father.

[John]

Yeah, a lot of the time. A lot of times that happens. And that's what you hold on to with the Junior thing. Pre branded. This has worked before, but we'll see. I look at Arch Manning and I think, he can't hold up a Lombardi because of his ears. He's like, baby New Year under that helmet. Have you seen him take that thing off? They pop out and make a noise. Yeah. Everyone giggles. Baby New Year. I watched one time they. He turned, pulled his helmet off and his ears started flapping. He left the ground for a second. I'm like, oh, he's gonna fly. And. Oh, no, no. But I don't see Arch Manning holding a Lombardi up because of his ears until he gets those fixed. That's not a Super bowl head and he's not even a ginger.

[Guest]

He's pick up the plays.

[John]

Got those Magic. Just looked him up and woed. Look at this. Oh, fly away with it. Yeah, those are things. Yeah, those are some Operation Dumbo drop ears. Now maybe his head grows into those, but it would have to grow to the size of a tundra. Now I don't see Arch holding up a Lombardi with those ears. Now that one I may be wrong about Ginger. Think I'm not? You got them big floppy ears when you're 19 like that. I don't see good things for your future with the championships. He's got some crazy ass ears, that kid, and he hides it with a little hair.

[Guest]

But man, he can't go high and tight.

[John]

No, he cannot go. He's got a hair. He's jealous. Yeah, he's got a. Yeah, yeah. He picks up a lot of channels with those. He stands in the side of the road and people stop their cars and go, shut your doors. I'm trying to go by. It's like I'm just a man with. Oh my God, those are ears.

[Podcast Host]

Bikers don't lane split next to him.

[John]

Whoa, his mirrors are sticking out anyway. Yes, this Floyd Mayweather. So junior boxing's a little different because although it is tough to get the same name going, the Mayweathers were different. They made some sort of deal with like evil spirits and things of it. Floyd's amazing though, and it does happen. But I'm just saying it's, it's, it's tougher for the kid named Junior. You will have a few of those juniors pop up and Ken Griffey's perfect example. I'm a junior and redhead is a different conversation. You can get a guy named after his dad and his dad was great and that kid could be great too. But I'm seeing with Marvin Harrison is a dude who doesn't have that in his head to make him a four quarter superstar Michael Irvin would play. If it was 38 to 7. You'd see the same effort in the fourth quarter as you did in the first quarter. And that had a lot to do with cocaine. But you, there's guys out there and Marvin's one of them. When you're like, you don't play the whole game and that's the worst teammate you can have by far. Especially when he flashes because then it's more frustrating like, will you please do that all game, please. Imagine the Cardinals if that effort that he put out in the fourth quarter was there in the first rather than those routes he ran. And then mope back to the sidelines like, this is boring.

[Guest]

They go back and sit on the bench, opposite sides of Kyler Murray.

[John]

Mopey little babies.

[Guest]

Oh, man, it is.

[John]

They're tough to watch when it comes to that. It's like, man, if I was a fan of that. I don't like mopers. He's a moper. Ah, there you go. Let's get a wake up song for all you people who had a rough night as Cardinal fans to the Seahawk fans. Gay bars will be crowded tonight. Celebration all weekend for the Seahawks. Let's get it together. Give us a wake up song. Five eight, five, nine thousand eight hundred a good one and we'll scream it together. It's 98 Kub. Wake up. It's not weird. It's pretty cool, actually. No membership fee. I have heard enough of this. And Doug, here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Limu. Is that guy with the binoculars watching us? Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] savings. Very underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.