10-01-25 - Entertainment Drill - WED - Charlie Hunnam Plays Ed Gein In Netflix Movie And Visited His Grave Prompting Serial Killer Discussion

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Holmberg's Morning Sickness – Arizona
Episode: 10-01-25 – Entertainment Drill – WED – Charlie Hunnam Plays Ed Gein In Netflix Movie And Visited His Grave Prompting Serial Killer Discussion
Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo

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Episode Overview

This episode of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness centers on an eclectic and lively discussion originating from the news that Charlie Hunnam is set to play the notorious serial killer Ed Gein in an upcoming Netflix movie. The team dives into discussions about method acting, the cultural impact of serial killers in media, debates over what it would take to endure WNBA games, and trends in entertainment (including the rise of AI actors). True to the show’s mix of irreverent banter and pop culture commentary, the conversation moves rapidly between humor, skepticism, and genuine fascination.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The WNBA Game Hypothetical (01:24–03:59, 14:09–16:58)

• Would the hosts attend a WNBA game?

  • Holmberg jokes about what it would take for someone to take him to a WNBA game, emphasizing the perceived boredom and low stakes of the event for him personally.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “I’d say 75. I’d go to a W… 75 grand, okay. And I’d be quiet about it… at 50 grand, I’d be biting my lip, going, I got to say something.” — John Holmberg (03:13)

• Debate over suffering through bad events for a date or for money:

  • The group wonders whether enduring a WNBA game is worse than sitting through a child’s recital for romantic motives, consensus being the recital is easier and even more fun as you can make fun of the other kids.
  • Memorable Exchange:

    “Clearly the daughter’s recital is the easiest thing to sit through.” — John Holmberg (14:06)
    “With a WNBA fan, you have to act like you like that game the whole time.” — John Holmberg (14:34)

  • Humorous aside about never being asked by a female WNBA fan on a date, and poking fun at how rare or "untenable" such a scenario is.

2. Charlie Hunnam as Ed Gein & Method Acting (07:36–08:44, 10:13–11:38, 13:26)

• News Item: Charlie Hunnam is playing Ed Gein in a Netflix movie and, for closure, visited Gein’s grave after filming.
• The hosts riff on how actors sometimes struggle to let go of dark characters, referencing other actors like Austin Butler staying "stuck" in an Elvis persona.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “That’s such actor bull. Nobody’s ever played Hitler and… still, two years later, [is] talking like Hitler… It’s tough to stop being Elvis. Real easy to stop being Ed Gein.” — John Holmberg (08:08)

• They reflect on the cultural transition in horror and crime media—from Dracula and Frankenstein to real-life serial killers like Gein, whose crimes inspired Psycho, Silence of the Lambs, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
• Hosts openly admit fascination with serial killers, particularly Ed Kemper.
  • Memorable Quotes:

    “Ed Kemper… you’d be friends with him. Absolutely. Thought he’s the seven-foot dude at the office… and that dude cut his mother’s vocal cords out because he was tired of hearing her talk.” — John Holmberg (11:09)

3. Entertainment News Round-Up (12:09–13:26)

• AI Actress – Tilly Norwood:

  • The team discusses SAG-AFTRA’s opposition to “Tilly Norwood,” an AI-generated actress with a $3 million contract.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “She’s going to be the future of acting. It’s weird. She’s doing interviews and acting and all this. This is the future of cinema… Don’t fight it. Figure out a way to make money by it.”— John Holmberg (12:39)

• Sentencing Update (mysterious figure):

  • Brief mention of an unnamed individual facing sentencing (possibly a current celebrity case), with debate over time served.

• Taylor Swift Record:

  • Taylor Swift has become the only female artist to sell 100 million albums, making her 6th best-selling artist ever, just behind The Beatles and Garth Brooks.
  • Notable Stat Drop:

    “She is now sixth of all time, behind the Beatles, 183 million; Garth Brooks, 162 million; Elvis, 146 million; Eagles, 120; Led Zeppelin, 112.” — Brady Bogen (13:38)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

The Comedy of Suffering (WNBA/Recital)

• “If you were trying to get a little… with a WNBA fan, you have to act like you like that game the whole time.” — John Holmberg (14:34)
• “Children’s recital is a lot easier to sit there than a WNBA game. A lot easier and a lot cheaper… and you get to make fun of the other kids.” — John Holmberg (16:03)

Dark Fascination with Criminals

• “We were addicted to the whole serial killer thing. Still kind of am. I’m fascinated by it because I can’t wrap my head around how a human brain goes there.” — John Holmberg (10:28)
• “Ed Kemper was smart, engaging, never showed any signs of lunacy… and that dude cut his mother’s vocal cords out because he was tired of hearing her talk.” — John Holmberg (11:09)

On AI Overtaking Acting

• “This is the future of cinema. Don’t fight it. Figure out a way to make money by it.” — John Holmberg (12:38)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• WNBA Game / Suffering for Money Discussion: 01:24–03:59; 14:09–16:58
• Entertainment/Serial Killer Fascination: 07:36–08:44; 10:13–11:38; 13:26
• AI Actress Controversy: 12:09–12:57
• Taylor Swift Record Milestone: 13:28–13:54

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Tone & Style

The episode is irreverent, fast-paced, and blends dark humor with genuine curiosity about pop culture and criminal psychology. Holmberg leads the conversation, often taking the role of skeptic or provocateur, while the rest of the crew chimes in with their perspectives, hypothetical scenarios, and light teasing.

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For listeners who missed this episode:
You’ll hear the team riff on pop culture news and laugh at each other’s expense, all while offering pointed and sometimes surprisingly deep takes on why certain subjects (like serial killers or bad sporting events) capture our cultural attention. The banter is sharp, sometimes absurd, and always rooted in the chemistry between the hosts.

Transcript

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[C]

What would it take?

[A]

Oh, cannot tell you. Whoops, that's my fault. I cannot tell you how bad it would actually be. The song never ends. The fade on that thing's 45 seconds. Been at zero for four minutes. Still there now. Finally gone. But yeah, if your braces. Well, if I was in a drought, a girl could get me. What kind of drought are you in? Like you would be the most disappointed, you'd be the most depressed. No WNBA fan is going to try to take you to the game. You'd be just moping around the saddest man in the world if you're in a kind of drought. So you got to take a WNBA fan out. Only talking two hours, three hours, eternity.

[B]

Probably less than that in the actual game. But the setup, follow up.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then you got so much. 20 bucks a year at the game.

[A]

But then Brady's made the point. He said, well, I'm not looking for a relationship with her. Well, then just get a hooker. Yeah. And you said, well, if I'm paying for the tickets. No, that just means you don't have any pride left. And the woman bought you dinner, she bought you tickets, and you're still gonna try.

[C]

And I've never had that situation, you know.

[A]

Well, don't even bring it up as a scenario. It's a scenario. That's not real money. Yeah, take the money. Take money. Oh, if somebody wanted to pay me, that's. Yeah, yeah, I'll go sit through that. How much for WNBA game? Yeah. I stay the whole time? Yep, whole game. They have to pretend to like it. No, Just gotta go, man.

[B]

They gotta pay for the drinks at five grand.

[A]

Oh, fine. Grand. Larry, we're well into there. We're almost at six figures before I start considering it. Wow. I'd say 75. I'd go to a W. 75 grand. Okay. And. And I'd be quiet about it. I wouldn't like if they said, you can't complain. I'm like, all right, I can do that. But I'd throw that, like, at 50 grand, I'd be. I'd be biting my lip going, I got to say something. Yeah, just pretend you like it the whole time. I would have to. 75 to $100,000. Now, again, that three on three thing they got going where they shrunk everything and they made that. I go to. That looks fun. It's just that particular league, it's awful. That's my opinion. Same as men's soccer. Has nothing to do with women. It's the product. I don't want to go to that. Is that the same thing? That bad? Not that bad, but it's awfully close. Get me go to a rising game, it's gonna cost about 50. Or dua lipa or deal. Yeah, well, I mean, look, that's. That's so pie in the sky that if dua lipa is like, 75 isn't. Show me. Go to a. No, not at all. It's more realistic than somebody would offer me 75 grand before Dua lipa tries to take me to a rising game. One is possible. The other is the whole Dua lipa scenario. If Dua lipa Just called. I've been listening for a while. I look you up online. I'd like to take you to a subpar double a soccer game. Like, oh, geez, that's okay. Wow. But if you as a friend are like, man, want to go see the Rising, like, we're not friends anymore, Larry. You don't know me. You don't care. You don't care. Come on. I got 75 grand now. I'll go, all right. But if you've got $75,000 and it's to buy me as a friend, As a friend, I look at you as more pathetic. And I'll sit next to you and then later just be like, Larry gave me 75 grand to go to a soccer game. What's wrong with him? The saddest man in the world. Anyway, it's time now for Brady to give you all the entertaining news. What's the matter? You look confused or perplexed.

[C]

I was hearing, like, cheering in the background.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

This is why John would pay to go see her.

[A]

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[C]

Charlie Hunnam is playing Ed Gein in the Netflix monster, the Ed Gein that's rolling out Friday.

[A]

Okay. Oh, boy.

[C]

And when film filming wrapped up, he went to Ed's grave as a way to say goodbye to the role. He says he got so wrapped up, wrapped up in it. He's like, I had to find closure on this thing.

[A]

That's the crazy. Jim Jeffries does a great bit about that. How Austin Butler turned into Elvis. And then, like, you'd hear him in interviews. Two years later, he's still there. And he'd be like, yeah, you know, I had those things like you're still talking like Elvis just that's tough to me get out of this character. And he goes, that's such actor bull. Because like, nobody's ever played Hitler. And it's like, hey, I gotta let you know, it's been a couple years since Dave was in the movie, but sometimes he's still, oh, here he is. And he just crams on the way Conductive character. It's mainly because Hitler is different. Elvis might be the coolest dude in the planet. So it's tough to stop being Elvis. Real easy to stop being Ed Gein.

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[A]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness he just made the.

[C]

Point that prior to Ed Gein, our relationship with monsters in cinema were like Dracula. Frankenstein. Yeah, he's like, now I'm dealing with.

[A]

A real Gein was the inspiration for Psycho, Silence of the Lambs, Texas Chainsaw Massacre so many others where they humanized the bad guy. Prior to that it was. It was movie monster makeup or zombies or mummies. They. They wouldn't show you that it's possible that real people would do this. Ed Gein's story is. Yeah. And you and I too, John, I mean you. We were addicted to the whole serial killer thing. Oh. Still kind of am. I. I'm fascinated by it because I can't wrap my head around how a human brain goes there. Especially when you hear him interviewed. The one that'll get you the most is Ed Kemper. Yes. Oh my God. You'd be friends with him. Yep. You would. Absolutely. Thought he's the seven foot dude at the office. You'd have just goofed around. I still say Ted Bundy. Bundy was a charming man. Yeah. But Kemper was smart, engaging. Never showed any signs of like lunacy. Right. And that dude cut his mother's vocal cords out because he was tired of hearing her talk. Put him in the sink. And that was after he'd done all the co Ed killer. Right. Crazy. And he was 7ft tall and got away with like no one being able to describe him. It's ins. That Ed Kemper. Ed Kemper.

[C]

Is he the one that did the Windex inject the.

[A]

No, no. Yeah, that was that. I forgot his name. Damn it. No, he was the co Ed killer. Ed Kemper. And then he just had had it with his mother. And it was very similar to Ed Gein. His mother drove him nuts. He had some abuse in the back. Was Kemper the one that hung the bodies in that shed behind the house? And the cops came and looked in the window that one time, but right before they saw it, somebody distracted him. And he had ladies on meat hooks. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that was him or not.

[C]

The actors union, sag, AFTRA has come out against the AI actress Tilly Norwood. Have you seen heard about that? I heard about her yesterday.

[A]

She good.

[C]

You know she signed a contract. Three million dollar contract.

[A]

Did she?

[B]

Who signs the contract?

[C]

The person that created Tilly.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. They're up in arms about it. Yeah. I don't know anything about it, but it's good. It's the future of acting instead of fighting. Don't be Metallica.

[C]

The union said the Apples.

[A]

It's going to be the future you. Oh, she's cute. She's going to be the future of acting. It's weird. It's weird looking. She's doing interviews and acting and all this yeah. This is the future of cinema. This is it. Get used to it. Don't fight it. Figure out a way to make money by it. But the stuff.

[B]

Whoopi Goldberg, look out.

[A]

Yeah, like Whoopi was going to get any of her roles dominant. The Democrats did.

[C]

He's getting sentenced on Friday.

[A]

Shooting for a decade.

[C]

They won 11 years. His lawyers are saying 14 months, which he's already served.

[B]

He's been in jail that long already?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

Cannot wait for that Ed Gein thing.

[C]

Your probation. Taylor Swift is now the only female artist to sell 100 million albums.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

She is now sixth of all time, behind the Beatles, 183 million. Garth Brooks, 162 million. Elvis, 146 million. Eagles, 120. Led Zeppelin, 112.

[B]

Baffling Texter says. John, knowing your thoughts on women with kids, would you go to a WNBA game to get a little nookie or the child's recital of the hotel?

[A]

Child's recital.

[B]

Okay, there you go.

[A]

I'm not going to have sex with a woman with children, though.

[B]

Well, that's what they're saying.

[C]

So you wouldn't go to.

[B]

Got to go to her daughter's recital. No, the one you're trying to.

[A]

But of the two. Yeah. Clearly the daughter's recital is the easiest thing to sit through. True.

[B]

About 30 minutes.

[A]

30 minutes. And you can. You can make fun of all the rest. And it's a snore. You don't have to.

[C]

Couple of those are almost as long.

[A]

No, no, no. But all I have to do is act like I like that lady's daughter because she's going to compare all the performances to her daughter, too. So it becomes fun after a while. With a WNBA fan, you have to act like you like that game the whole time. If you're trying to get a little.

[C]

Like Brady says, it'd never be. Yeah, but it would never be a scenario.

[A]

What?

[C]

It wouldn't be a scenario for a hetero couple.

[A]

What are you talking about?

[C]

The wnba. It'd be another girl asking a girl to go to the game.

[A]

Yeah, but your scenario was that you were going for nookie. Huh?

[C]

I was just making that point that a date night.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wouldn't happen to, I don't know if any Etsy.

[A]

Wnba. But you're saying if you were trying to get laid, you would go to a WNBA game with a girl who's trying to do it. Yeah, that was his scenario.

[B]

Did you talk yourself out of your argument?

[A]

Yeah. You talked yourself out of it?

[C]

No. It's.

[A]

It's easy to answer past 10 o'. Clock.

[C]

Easy to answer.

[A]

It's not easy to understand your question.

[C]

Because it would never happen.

[A]

But you were the one who said it would.

[C]

I guess what I'm saying is this.

[A]

Man, I love being in here. I know. It's fun. I don't think you've ever seen it. Great. No, go ahead.

[C]

I don't think it's a realistic scenario.

[A]

We know, but you were the one who made it a realistic scenario. Of, like. You kept arguing, saying if you were trying to go. But you're saying it's impossible.

[C]

Yeah, I was making fun of the pack.

[A]

Oh, I don't know what's happening.

[C]

But the recital. You've never done the recital before. That's a taller order.

[A]

Oh, no, it's not. A children's recital is a lot easier to sit there than a WNBA game. A lot easier and a lot cheaper, and you can have a lot more fun.

[C]

I've been through multiple.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And you get to make fun of the other kids.

[C]

I've been to a WNBA game.

[A]

Awful.

[C]

When was the finals?

[A]

Yeah, but who'd you go with? Timeout. Time out. Who'd you go with? You guys. Me?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Chewie, the rock and roll midget. And we dressed up and made fun of it the whole time we were there to antagonize the wnba. We weren't trying to have fun. You go to the children.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, we didn't know. Yes. Scissors and nets. What? But you go to a children's recital and you sit with a girl and you watch her kid do some terrible performance of over the Rainbow or Green Sleeves, if it's the Christmas one. And then you sit with her and make fun of all the other kids for an hour and a half. Hilarious. There's no funny at the wnba. If you're trying to like it, it's hilarious. If you were the people making.

[C]

You're right. If you laughed at it, maybe she'd get upset at you.

[A]

You got to be on your best behavior. It's terrifying. Yeah. Larry lets you and I go, all right, try to get Larry laid at the WNBA game then. Don't do that, though. No, that's immediately not. You're not getting laid with. Whoops. That's it. Larry's coming up next. Nails tickets today. Oop, you got the good stuff. Yep. They're back in March, right? That's right. They're just here a week or two coming back through. All right. I hear this tour is amazing. Everybody that saw it loved it. So head on out there and see him again. Larry's going to get you all hooked up. He's nice to you. Be nice to him. We're all done. We'll see you tomorrow on the Morning Sickness. Enjoy your Wednesday. We'll see you solo. Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said fully erect.