10-02-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - Is Dale Due Any Money From The Show's Fanduel Win If His Team Canceled Part Of Bet - Thoughts On Shedeur Sanders And Picks For Week 5 NFL Games

Summary

Podcast Summary: Holmberg's Morning Sickness

Episode: 10-02-25 – Thursdays w/ Former Dallas Cowboy O-Lineman Dale Hellestrae
Date: October 2, 2025
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
Guest: Dale Hellestrae (former Dallas Cowboys offensive lineman)

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Overview

This episode of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness features the regular Thursday visit from former Dallas Cowboy Dale Hellestrae. The conversation largely revolves around NFL betting payouts (and the complications of ties in wagers), NFL overtime rules and philosophy, Dale’s thoughts on NFL players’ attitudes (particularly wide receivers), and hot topics like Shedeur Sanders’ recent behavior. The tone throughout is irreverent, full of banter, and packed with football nostalgia and opinion.

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Key Discussion Points

1. NFL Bet Winnings & Controversy Over Dale’s Share

Timestamps: 06:09–10:31

• The crew discusses the result of their previous week's pooled football bet, which ended in partial success due to an unexpected tie in the Cowboys-Packers game (which Dale picked).
• Debate ensues over Dale's entitlement to winnings after his team’s result became void due to a tie. Holmberg insists on rules about non-contributing members forfeiting a share:
  • “If you didn’t put in and you don't get out. That’s a tie. Yeah, you're out.” — John Holmberg (10:17)
• Dale gamely accepts his exclusion but laments the weirdness of NFL ties and their impact on bets.
• Banter about what it would take to actually bet on a tie, with John joking about massive payouts for such outlandish predictions.

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2. NFL Overtime and Ties: What’s the Solution?

Timestamps: 10:31–16:36

• Discussion moves to NFL overtime rules, with Dale and Holmberg reminiscing about the old sudden death format and criticizing the newer systems:
  • “Ties are stupid. … I like the old way, the overtime was done where if you score a touchdown in the first time you touch the ball, it's over.” — Dale Hellestrae (14:42)
• Philosophical back-and-forth about the merits of giving both teams a shot versus expecting defenses to step up.
• Critique of college football’s overtime rules, which lead to inflated scores and havoc for gamblers.
• Drew some wild suggestions for solving ties, including a field goal skills competition:
  • “You take four players from each team and they all four have to attempt field goals.” — Brady Bogen (13:10)

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3. Player Performances & Locker Room Mentality

Timestamps: 17:54–22:29

• Focus shifts to Marvin Harrison Jr., criticizing his effort and consistency with the Cardinals:
  • “If it’s once, it’s something. If it’s every game, you’re like, he’s going to drop an easy one.” — John Holmberg (20:20)
  • “The drops are obviously alarming. … but even more so is the route running, or lack thereof.” — Dale Hellestrae (21:10)
• Dale describes the demoralizing effect of underperforming receivers on teams, emphasizing that wide receiver “divas” are problematic when not backing it up with effort.
• Debate around whether the Cardinals should “cut ties” with Harrison while he still retains value.

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4. Wide Receivers as Divas: Who Started It?

Timestamps: 22:56–26:26

• Spirited look at the long history of “diva” wide receivers, with the hosts and Dale charting the evolution from Billy “White Shoes” Johnson to Terrell Owens and Antonio Brown.
• Dale notes the irony that wideouts are the most dependent position on the field—needing everyone else to do their jobs for them to shine, yet often the loudest.
  • “They're the only player on the football field who needs all 10 other guys to do their job for them to have an opportunity.” — Dale Hellestrae (22:57)
• John points out that as soon as wide receivers learned to complain, they started getting paid more.

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5. Offensive Linemen vs. Wideouts: Personality Types & Legal Trouble

Timestamps: 26:26–28:19

• The group jokes about how rare it is to see offensive linemen get in trouble off the field, and generally label them “the protectors” and “good people at heart”, while poking fun at their own stereotypes.
  • “Offensive linemen are usually the biggest, most strongest … but they're protectors … happy go lucky, jolly.” — Dale Hellestrae (27:11)
• John quips about the real reason O-linemen aren’t arrested: “Because they're so big, their wives are afraid of them, and they listen.” (27:26)
• General agreement that linemen culture is less prone to diva behavior and trouble off the field.

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6. Super Bowl Halftime, Bad Bunny, and Outlandish Rumors

Timestamps: 29:11–30:13

• Brief tangent on Bad Bunny as Super Bowl Halftime performer, with jokes about social media rumors and conspiracy theories involving ICE, Satanism, and more.
  • “Well, he's a transvestite sometimes. … Now they're saying the whole Satanist thing.” — John Holmberg (29:54)
• Dale admits to knowing little about Bad Bunny or the cultural rabbit holes of NFL halftime shows.

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7. Week 5 Picks & Betting Strategy

Timestamps: 31:02–34:44

• Each crew member makes their Week 5 NFL pick:
  • Brady takes Detroit over Cincinnati (via win, not spread).
  • Dale selects Dallas to cover against the Jets.
  • Brett picks the Cardinals over the Titans.
  • John refuses to pick Baltimore (due to his Steelers allegiance), takes Houston over Baltimore.
  • Jokes about Cincinnati's QB situation and predictions of QB trades incoming.

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8. Shedeur Sanders’ Attitude and Deion’s Response

Timestamps: 34:23–36:24

• Discussion about Shedeur Sanders’ recent interview and questionable sideline behavior:
  • “He mouthed everything to the reporter.” — Dale Hellestrae (34:42)
• Speculation whether Deion Sanders will discipline his son or encourage his bravado:
  • “Does Dion call him and go, hey, stop acting like an idiot? Or does Dion go, way to go?” — Dale Hellestrae (34:59)
• Jokes about Deion responding as a player/dad and how parental advice applies in football families.

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9. Deion Sanders’ Health & NFL Injuries

Timestamps: 36:22–36:56

• The health saga of Deion Sanders is briefly discussed, from turf toe to diabetes and amputations.
• A quick note wishing good luck to QBs Joe Burrow and Brock Purdy rounds out the football talk.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Betting drama:
  “I told you. He said you'd cry like a — when I brought this up. Yes. You and I agreed that whoever's leg doesn't hit, you owe the rest of the crew.” — John Holmberg (07:06)

• Old NFL rules nostalgia:
  “I've always said that. What's your defense supposed to do? And … you're kind of putting your fate according to those people in a coin flip. So what?” — Dale Hellestrae (11:29)

• Wide receiver dependency:
  “They're the only player on the football field who needs all 10 other guys to do their job for them to have an opportunity to catch.” — Dale Hellestrae (22:57)

• On Marvin Harrison Jr.:
  “If it's once, it's something. If it's every game, you're like he's going to drop an easy one and it's going to put us against roc.” — John Holmberg (20:20)

• Offensive linemen stereotypes:
  “Offensive linemen are usually the biggest, most strongest on the team. But they're protectors … happy go lucky, jolly.” — Dale Hellestrae (27:11)

• Super Bowl Halftime banter:
  “Well, he's … a transvestite sometimes. And sometimes he's not very funny, too. Apparently, now they're saying too … the whole Satanist thing. Oh, yeah.” — John Holmberg (29:54)

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• Betting controversy with Dale: 06:09–10:31
• NFL overtime and ties debate: 10:31–16:36
• Marvin Harrison Jr. & receiver effort: 17:54–22:29
• Wide receiver diva lineage: 22:56–26:26
• Linemen vs. WR personalities/off-field behavior: 26:26–28:19
• Halftime show/Bad Bunny tangent: 29:11–30:13
• NFL Week 5 picks: 31:02–34:44
• Shedeur Sanders & Deion’s parenting: 34:23–36:24
• Deion’s health/NFL injuries: 36:22–36:56

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers classic Morning Sickness content with a hefty dose of locker room humor, pointed NFL insight, and no shortage of banter. The recurring theme is accountability—on the field, in the locker room, and even in small-stakes gambling. Dale brings the perspective of an old-school NFLer who values work ethic over talent, and the hosts riff on everything from football culture to pop-culture controversies, making it a lively snapshot of Arizona’s #1 morning show for any NFL or sports radio fan.

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Still streaming Homberg's Morning Sickness online at 98kupd.com look who's here, everybody. Dale Hel is joining us as we speak. Three times heavyweight champion. No, wait. World champion of the NFL football. That's back when Vince Lombardi was still coaching. They gave away his trophy, and Dale was part of that with your Dallas Cowboys.

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Before we get started, Johnny, I'd like to wish you, Johnny, a very happy Yom Kippur.

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Mazel tov. Thank you.

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Thank you. It's a day of atonement, Johnny.

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Yes, that's right.

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So if you apologize to everybody you've wronged, like, say, Ernie, have you. Have you. Have you apologized yet?

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I thought about that this morning. This day of atonement, I should probably go through. And I thought. And I'm like, nope.

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No.

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Got everybody pretty. Pretty much buttoned up.

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Everybody.

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I'm on the. I'm on the good foot with everyone.

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Everyone.

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Yeah. Even the Bobs, who I hate, and they're terrible at their jobs.

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Yeah.

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Even the executives of radio who have destroyed the industry. I'm like, I'm fine with them.

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Really.

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I haven't had a.

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See, I. I thought the day of atonement, you don't get to choose.

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You.

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You just apologize.

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Oh, I'm sorry for that.

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Everything that you've done wrong to people, and. I mean, you start in the morning, and you might not be done by midnight. Well, did you wrong a lot of people every year?

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I don't think so.

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Yeah.

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I write more than I've wronged, but I think when it balances out that way.

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Really?

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Yeah. I think I look at it like that. If you've done more right for people than you have wrong, the people who you've wronged can go themselves. So you're not the volume business?

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You're not a good practicing Jew?

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No, not at all. I don't even know what it is. I didn't know it was Yom Kippur.

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Yeah, you didn't. It's on your every calendar.

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Yeah, I didn't look.

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Yeah, you should have been in sabbatical or what is a tabernacle or whatever.

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That's right. I should have gone to the Norman tabernacle and done some singing.

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Yeah.

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No, I didn't. I didn't know any temple.

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You're supposed to be in the temple this morning.

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I could be in temple. I'll go over.

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Synagogue, Anybody?

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I need some Google where one is. Where what? Exactly. No, that's. Yeah, I wish I was. I wish I was Jewish so I could be better at it, right? Just being this hoju.

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Somebody called you Jewy.

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Yeah, they call me Jew. We. Your Jew knows or things like that. It's based on their bigotry towards my nose. That's where this all comes from. Some guy, years ago. Years ago was yelling at me. This is a great one, too. He was mad at me for making fun of the Gilbert goons. Yeah. And how overblown that whole thing got. And he didn't ever listen. But he. He emailed this terribly mean email, and he was, you know, I'm like, okay, you're making some decent points. And then at the end, he just lost it because he said, I understand you're nothing more than a poor man's Howard Stern. And he said, and having seen a picture of you, you've got the liberal cuck, Juno's Biden supporter down pat. And he called me a Juno's. And I started laughing like, well, like, you can't tell everybody that they're doing things wrong and then get, like, to be a Juno's liberal cuck. He started calling me names, so I started laughing. So I just became, you do have.

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A gift, because there's people who think that you're a Biden supporter. There's people who think you're a Trump.

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Supporter all the time.

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You know, I hate both of them.

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Nobody understands that. Nobody understands how you can there for the joke. I'm here for the laughs. And I don't understand how you don't get the fact that both sides suck.

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That's crazy.

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It's just nuts.

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Yes.

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But then. Then. Dale, welcome to the show. Then I became poor man's Howard Stern, and that's exactly how this goes. Red Robin, tell Dale exactly. We have Ranch House Grill here this morning, and Brady's not allowed to have any.

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Brady, did you abstain?

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I'm taking in the smells.

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Can't do it. And I'm proud of him. We were tempting him, too. French toast, pancakes, bacon. That was waving around not leave the room.

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You guys leave the room.

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Oh, no.

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Myself.

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We're keep an eye on you. Yeah. Ranch house grill comes along and do.

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They know that Brady's on a restricted diet? Do they have something good?

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From the look of what they sent over, no. Grilled celery next week or something?

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Veggie omelette.

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All right. Dale's here to talk about how was your week, by the way. Everything going all right?

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Everything's going great, John. It's good to be here. It's another Thursday.

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Yeah, it's a great Thursday. You're here. Oh, yeah. And you're brought to you. I forgot because we were talking about me. Yeah. These. The guys that you're brought to you by are in my yard right now.

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Are they.

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Oh, they're doing some work. They. I. We talked. They specially designed the. The basketball court. I had perfect fine. Everything was good. And like, hey, I got an idea. Can we do it? And I'm like, yeah, Wait till you get a load of what these dudes are doing to this court. It looks awesome.

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Are you putting the Super Bowl 30amble?

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No, I'm not. But there are Steelers logos on either side. And then attribute to Larry Brown where the dogs go. So y. There are moments of memory, but the six championships are not going to be represented. But it looks.

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That's a great idea.

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Oh, it looks so good. Diamond coatings is at my place right now and they're putting down this incredible. And it's going to last for like 25 years. The thing I had done before looked great, but the paint. The summer just ate it alive immediately. I was going to have to do this every couple of years. Oh, this was. This is. Oh, my goodness. So cool. So I've got them looking at other stuff. They can do countertops. If you've got countertops in the backyard, they can grind those down and get them back to. Back to looking good. So they do everything and they bring us Dale every Thursday, which I have no problem with.

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Dale, what's their website?

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Diamond coatings.

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AZ.com.

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Okay.

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We won our bet last week, Dale, but. But one of us missed it. You chose your Bears. Yep. When Steelers win, Brady wisely bet against the The. The defunct Cincinnati Bengals. I don't know how that's franchise. He got his right. You chose the Green Bay packers to beat your Dallas Cowboys.

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I did.

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And it ended in a 4040 tie.

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Which means we win.

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Which means your part of the bet is dismissed. And we actually lost $130 onto the end of the pay or. No, yours was 75. So yours was a $75 wager.

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Okay.

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That we. That they just blank out. Okay, so we won.

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So we share.

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No, we won 630 bucks.

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You owe us 150 bucks each.

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You owe us each 33.

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No, we did not put that in the. None of this was gonna happen.

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I told you. I know. He said you'd cry like a. When I brought this up. Yes. You and I agreed that whoever's leg doesn't hit, you owe the rest of the crew.

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Made me. You're making me pick the. This my Dallas Cowboys.

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I didn't make you pick them.

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Yeah. You always say you're picking the Dallas game.

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Yeah.

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So I couldn't win it no matter what happened.

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You could have said tie.

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No.

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There was an option. An option. There was an ending.

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I think that have been about $10,000.

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We won a ton of money. Had you said, you're going to tie it up, Johnny, I'm like, if I put tie in here. But technically you did not win that. It got pushed.

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Yeah, but we're. We're friends enough.

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No, no.

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We're not in the way of the. Look at Brad. Brad. Brad's right. You forgive and forget.

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All right?

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You have two options. You.

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You take what would be. That'd be 99 out of your winnings.

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Yeah.

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And let us have at that split that. Or you just don't get anything.

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What do you.

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So if it's. Because as it stands right now, I'm taking the 100 out because nobody ever kicks in for the bet but me. So it's my 100 that comes out on the wins. I'm fine with losing if we lose. So I think it was when it was all said and done. 630 bucks or something. So of that we would split that, then Normally take the 100 out and then we'd split that.

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So five out of four ways.

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Well, yeah. Let me make sure that that was right. Yeah. Find. Find the number and we go. It's taking forever to load. All right. It's for Christ's sake. Well, we don't have Internet. Everybody here. Well, they deserve it. Nobody's doing their job anyway. We have $553 in the account from the win.

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Okay.

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Because it would have been 690 something if your guys were. If you had delivered at all. But you did it. So of that 553, I take out 100 for me. That's 453 split what would normally be four ways. Yeah, but since you didn't participate.

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I did.

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It's. No, it's. I didn't lose it. She didn't win. That was what we said. Anyone who doesn't win their bet pays the other guys.

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Are you gonna. Brady, are you gonna be on my side on this? Are you gonna be a good.

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If we didn't win the bet.

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That's for. See if Brady's gonna make any money.

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Yeah, but you did win the bet.

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We won our bet.

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That's fine. You keep the money. If you guys feel that. If you're good about that.

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I feel great about it. All right, now, next time you. Now, this could balance out eventually, as.

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This will never be another tie.

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Not with a tie. No. I was gonna say if you call that, you get the win, you get everybody's money that week. If you call a tie and it lands, you get it. Everybody pays you what the bet would have been. There you go.

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Oh, because that would be even if.

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Any of us miss.

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Yeah.

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If Brady's Bengals pull a miracle and win another game, because they're going to have Russell Wilson in a couple weeks. But the bottom line is, if all of us lose our bets and you called Ty and hit Ty, and it would have paid us eight grand, we all owe you, like, three, five hundred dollars. Everybody's. Because that is remarkable.

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I've never heard Brady be so quiet.

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Well, it's money. There's money involved. It gets real nervous.

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This is a long season.

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You guys keep it.

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All right?

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We will have. I didn't contribute.

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You didn't.

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So I don't deserve anything.

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So you didn't put in and you don't get out. That's a tie. Yeah, you're out. Okay, I'm with you. All right. At least you're being a good sport about that. I thought you'd be a. The whole way. The 33 bucks coming out would have been nice, though. And also ties. Let's get into that. Were you ever in ties playing in the NFL?

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No.

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Never one tie. No, but plenty of overtimes. And you were there before the rules changed.

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Not a whole lot of. Not a whole lot of overtimes. But I do remember going into a bye week against Detroit. Detroit played on Monday night. And. And we tied Detroit for some reason. It was like 10. 10 or 13. 13 after a whole overtime.

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Terrible game.

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It's. It's ridiculous. So are you saying you think the NFL should play till somebody wins?

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Sudden death.

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Well, what? Sudden death. Do you. College. No.

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No.

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High school.

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The old rules. You just can't Kick field goals. You play in with a touchdown. Play a period of football.

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Yeah.

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Without field goals.

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And you either score, touch, go on for 45.

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That just happened. That just happened. No, no. For one quarter, then it's a tie. But you play sudden death football. The old way was great. And I always hated people that said everybody should get a chance to touch the ball. What is your defense out there doing?

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I've always said that. Yeah. What's your defense supposed to do? And number two, other. The other part of that is you're kind of putting your fate according to those people in a coin flip. So what? And. And you. You should be able to. I know when we were good.

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Yeah.

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That back in the day it was. You would kick off.

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Yeah.

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Hopefully pin him back and get. Get field position. And then you got the second possession field goal wins the game.

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That was in overtime. In overtime, you win the flip, you give him the ball.

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Yes. And then you play defense. Yeah. They punt it to you. You have shorter field. You can kick field goals.

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Yeah, but kill the field goal part.

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But that. Well, then you're going to end up with a lot of ties. If you have to go for it.

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On four, then stop time, work harder during the game.

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I made a conundrum because I know there used to be. Once the playoffs come, you just play until somebody wins. But that is a complete disadvantage for whoever wins for the next week because you're playing a game in half.

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Right.

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But.

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But that means that you're in a stalemate that you can't figure out and you deserve to be in this quagmire. It's your own fault. Do something.

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At the end of the day when you give up 40 points and you walk away with it, it is one of those things like, are you. You're not happy, but you're not pissed. But you're. You're kind of more pissed than you're.

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Just in the middle. It's not a win, you know, is.

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If that one period happens and no one scores and it's a tie, then you take four players from each team and they all four have to attempt field goals.

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I'm fine with that. A skills contest. I'm fine with that. They do that in hockey where it's like we played our overtime period still tied. Let's have a shootout. Then you get your kickers involved and you move back until 1 misses. Start at the 40 and move back until one of them misses.

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Are you rushing it or is it just out there on their own?

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No, it's just A kick.

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No, you're rushing it. These dudes can kick 90 yarders.

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Yeah.

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You got a. You got a defense out there and they can block it.

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Okay.

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Oh yeah. You got a chance.

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Block. Yeah.

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I do hate ties. I just, I don't want to play multiple overtimes on the wake of the season.

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Just one. We went through a 10 minute overtime there. It blew by. It wasn't bad. It was still good football, but it was like this ended in a tie. What a disappointment. And I hate the idea like college is always like, everyone gets to touch it and stop it. Stop your bidenomics with your football. It's not something. It doesn't have to be socialism. If your defense can't stop the offense from going down and scoring, then you lose.

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I did like I guess the old way. It was done to where if you drive the ball down, you receive the kick, I've drive down, you score touchdowns.

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Games over.

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Defense has a job to do. Yeah. To a field goal you get a chance.

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Exactly. Yeah. And people always say that like they're like, well, you're putting it in the hands of a coin flip. Be a boxer.

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Yeah.

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A boxer goes and gets in the end and nobody knocked each other out. Now you're putting into the hands of three strangers that may not have seen what you think just happened. And it's happened a billion times.

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Done that.

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So don't they always say that in boxing? Never leave it in the judge's hands.

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Right.

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Don't. Don't play a game to where a coin flip determines anything.

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I guess if you're asking me right now, I like the old way, the overtime was done where if you score a touchdown in the first time you touch the ball, it's over.

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Yeah.

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Holmberg's morning sickness. Holy morning sickness.

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28.

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Can you be repeating Holmberg's morning sickness?

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But we didn't get a chance to touch it. Yeah, you did. Your defense was out there. They could have stopped him. There's no doubt you didn't take advantage of the chance you had to touch.

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Yeah, I like that.

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Ties are stupid. And I'll go with you on that one, Don Kapoor.

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You come up with something good. I like that. Yeah. Change.

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Well, they've changed them again, but somewhere around 2011 or 12 is when they changed to the. If you get the coin flip and you score in the first drive, a touchdown, it's over.

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Yeah.

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If you kick a field goal, the other team can go.

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Right. And then about two years ago, I think they came.

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Everyone gets a chance.

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Yeah.

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If you score a touchdown, the other team gets a chance to score.

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I hate it. It's. I hate it. It's.

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And again, there is a defense out there.

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Yes.

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There's a lot of guys getting paid out there.

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Well, they always say that. Defense, special teams, offense.

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Okay, well, three phases.

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If you run back a kickoff.

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Yeah.

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Were you like, well, we never got a chance to touch it. Well, that's your fault.

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Right? Yeah.

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So do you like the college overtime?

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I'm not. I'm not a fan of that. Because that thing, I mean, all of a sudden it's a, you know, it's a 27, 27 game, and by the time it's over with, it's 54, 50.

[A]

You know who hates those? Gambling. Hate college over time because they hit the over under at 56 and then you do 14, seven on seven drills and it's 110 to 109. And I'm like, right. You know, it's terrifying. Yeah. So I hate the college system because it's too cute.

[C]

And you see two touchdowns, I think, on either side. Then it goes to two point conversions.

[A]

After that, it's just practice. After a while, you're just running.

[B]

I like the way the NFL did it. You kick, you lose a coin flip, you're going to kick off and you can play defense again. Like I said back in the 90s, there were a couple times where we kicked off even though we won the coin toss. Smart thing to do because we had confidence in our defense.

[A]

Now let's get into something else because you, sir, I like this. This sports segment has legs.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And it's brought to you by our friends at my best [e-mail] last week, you and I sat and chatted right here and then went in and chatted again about it on the world famous Holmberg Sportscast. With permanent guest host.

[B]

With guest host.

[A]

Well, no permanent guest, just permanent. Don't get crazy on a host. The word host is not in.

[B]

Brett, you have not got a hold of this. No, I. It all started with John saying, I'll just be. I'll be a guest host.

[A]

I said I'd go on the podcast.

[B]

It took over in three shows. It's turned into the Holberg show.

[A]

Yeah, because it was the Holmberg Show. It's just calling it what it is. It was like, okay, I'm running this thing. There's clearly nobody else here willing to fly the plane. So it's called the Holmberg Sportscast, featuring permanent guest Dale Hellistrate and the rest Is that the official name now? Because I know you're floating.

[B]

Is it trademark Johnny?

[A]

Probably. Pretty smart to get on that. I'll call some lawyers. I don't want to use your name. In that case, I'll trademark the first part of it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It used to be called the sports thing until it. And that was as it was catchy. It kind of catchy. And then it was in its infancy until it became more than just a thing. It became a catalyst for me to be great at something else.

[B]

You're saying there's more than one listener to it?

[A]

Oh, yeah. So. But we were here last week and we talked about it on my podcast. The Marvin Harrison and his drop season, his mental attitude and everything else. And everybody got fooled last week when he came back last Thursday night at the end of the game and played great.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But had he not been the aloof, terrible version of himself earlier in the game, they wouldn't have been in that mess.

[B]

John, you and I know well enough. I played tight end in high school and defensive end, saber cat. And when I saw the egregious drop in the middle of the field with nobody around him, no one. I don't know if you noticed this, but he had his hands up to catch the ball like this. Like you're taught. Catch the ball, hands up, make the diamonds your body.

[C]

Like he did so many times.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Covered by Rutgers defense.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And Maryland.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

But as the ball was coming to him, if you go back and watch that clip, he switches him.

[A]

He goes to ground. He goes to the ground. Yeah.

[B]

And drops it. Yeah. I'm not even talking about the bobble.

[A]

For the interception when it was another perfect pass.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And Kyler Murray is. He's caught a lot of heat over the years for not being good at what he does.

[B]

Right.

[A]

When that happens and he gets the stat, that's.

[B]

That. It's. It's bad. It's bad. Brutal.

[A]

Because, I mean, in the end of the year, nobody's going to remember, oh, that pick that ruined that is on Marvin.

[B]

It's just on. It's on Kyler Pitts.

[A]

And they'll say at the end, oh, he threw 13 touchdowns and nine picks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, a few of those picks were tipped by a guy he threw a ball perfectly to.

[B]

No doubt.

[A]

Yeah. And Marvin, it's time this. This show and the podcast afterwards made the argument, let's cut ties with Marvin Harrison Jr. While he still got a name, because this reputation's getting loud now. They talked a lot about it on some sports stuff. This week.

[B]

Aren't you proud of the second half he put together though?

[A]

But there's the problem. I have. And you've played with GU like this. But Dale put it together for four goddamn quarters.

[B]

I understand. As a teammate you'd be serious. As a teammate. What happens to you is offensive line. You're fighting your tail off to protect your quarterback. Yeah. You see a dude wide open in the middle of the field.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not a one handed over the shoulder right there. And it drops. It's just deflating to everybody.

[A]

If it's once it's something. If it's every game you're like he's going to drop an easy one and it's going to put us against Roc.

[C]

Though is this week. It did that second half get him out.

[B]

Well no it didn't.

[A]

It did not. Because for 18 months as a professional it's happened every game he lose. He loafs around the field for a few plays. He doesn't feel like playing. You cannot coach that back into a guy. Davian Clowney had it. It was a reputation coming out of college. He doesn't play when he doesn't have to. And it disappoints. The dude next to him has to fight for his job. Marvin doesn't.

[B]

It's a two pronged thing for me with Marvin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The drops are obviously alarming. Yeah. And boy can he fix those. I. I don't know. But even more so probably to me is the route running and lack thereof.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That I'll just stop.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One route again. We talked about it last week about it was a go route. He didn't think the ball was coming to him so he stopped running. He didn't try and just. And just stared. And that's happened a lot. At least once who he is at this point.

[A]

And maybe down the road it happens, maybe it doesn't. So do you take your chances? Because wide receivers aren't that hard to find. Especially playing average. Because it's just his name and his potential you're rooting for. It's better to just cut ties and pull in a guy who's actually going to put in 100% every play. He might not be as good or gifted.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But at least he's in his head's in the game every play. He's going to imagine an offensive lineman that sometimes I'm taking this play off.

[B]

They don't last long.

[A]

They don't.

[B]

And receivers.

[A]

Yeah. And receivers with names and potential like this. And just because again Maserati Marv caught 144 passes against Rutgers once. I'm like, man, it's because it was easy for him. So he tried. When things get tough, you got a. Got a corner on you. You're the, you're the WR1.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And CB1 sitting across from you, chucking you at the line and knocking you down. And press coverage all the time. You're like, I'm not going to do this.

[B]

And again, we talked about it. You know, he's 20 pounds heavier of muscle. Yeah. You should be able to run over those small defense. And the last thing I want to.

[C]

Say, so you're saying, both of you saying, spin them now.

[B]

Get something again.

[A]

I think he's sitting here.

[B]

Hang on. What's he bringing to your football team? Because every time the ball's thrown to him, you're kind of holding your bat. If you're a cardinal, fingers are crossed, you're not sure. But here's the other thing. And I heard another analyst talk about this, and I've said it for years. How have wide receivers become divas? They're the only player on the football field who needs all 10 other guys to do their job for them to have an opportunity to catch.

[C]

Who started it?

[A]

It's a Good point.

[B]

All 10 guys left tackle blows a block and there's a sack. You're not catching the ball. Quarterback doesn't see you, you're not catching the ball. And what do you do for the offense other than what brought themselves A.J. brown up in Philadelphia?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They win the game. He moans and groans and bitches and they won. Yeah. Yes. But he didn't get his. Yeah, it's like.

[A]

But here's, here's the devil's advocate to that. Let's say, oh, I gotta go to a break in a second. Devil's advocate is if he's not loud, he'll get ignored the next game. But what happened to A.J. brown is, I guarantee you this weekend the Eagles have two or three wide receiver screens for him in the first series to get it, to get the ball in his hands. And like, we do need to get it.

[C]

Gotta keep the rt.

[B]

But why has that been allowed to happen? Like people would say, oh, Michael Irvin was starring. Michael Irvin was the star of the Divas. No way before. I don't know if there's.

[A]

Before, Billy White Shoes Johnson couldn't not could not. Every play he made was like, look at me, look at me, look at me. I'm great at this. Yeah, but we didn't have the Internet.

[B]

Yeah, we didn't have the Internet. And so you didn't.

[A]

You wouldn't.

[B]

But he.

[A]

But what they do is grab. Where's the camera? Yeah, they diva it up like I'm a superstar because they're. They're doing something that requires other people to make sure that as a fan. So they can't do anything on their own outside of. Look, look, look. Remember the fun bunch in Washington and all those guys, they'd make a catch, they'd lose their minds.

[B]

But that, that was at least a group of guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

At least they're making a catch and celebrating.

[A]

Not after every play, talking about the.

[B]

Randy Mosses, all that. I think a lot of people go, michael Irvin is one of the first guys, you know, the first down and all that. But yet as a teammate, we didn't look at it that way because we knew how hard he worked.

[A]

But the commonality you're bringing up is all the guys you're mentioning got paid. So you want to talk about how it changed everything? Wide receivers get loud, they get paid. They get the ball, and they get paid because quarterbacks don't want to hear it. So somewhere along the line, they became politicians. They're getting a huddle and scream, I'm open, I'm open, I'm open, I'm open, I'm open. Until it's like, shut up and throw him the ball.

[B]

Or Troy looking at him and saying, just shut the blank up.

[A]

Yeah, but he's still throwing the ball.

[B]

He did when he, when it, when the, when the concept called for it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or he came open.

[A]

Or Michael would say, move Alvin Harper. I'm running your route because I'm not getting enough.

[B]

Yeah, but sometimes that'll backfire because Alvin.

[A]

Harper got a touchdown. The Super Bowl. Michael.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Did Michael ever say, well, I'm not getting it. Okay, trade me?

[A]

No, I think Terrell, because he was always getting it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, of course he was.

[A]

They're weirdos is what we're saying. They're football weirdos.

[B]

Divas. How do you become a football player?

[A]

Because to be great, you must be, I think, to be a wide receiver. To be a great wide receiver. Yeah. You have to also be decent looking. Who do you guys think? Biggest diva, Biggest wide receiver. Diva. Let's go. All time. All time. All time. Antonio Brown.

[B]

Well, he turned into it.

[A]

Yeah, well, he was that before. It just wasn't known yet. Steeler fans knew.

[B]

Wait, what would you say him over Randy Moss?

[A]

Randy Moss, I think was. He backed everything up and he never caused a Problem for his team.

[B]

I think it's like he came out of it.

[A]

Terrell Owens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Terrell was a. He was. He became a distraction. That's different. Divas are one thing. Diva distractions are another show. Ochocinka was a horrible diva. He's one. He's a top fiver. Yeah. But there are. There's tons of.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Even on bad.

[B]

Last offensive line diva that you found that you remember.

[A]

Well, I think I'm looking at him. Germany Dawson, Termani Dawson.

[B]

Dude's a beast.

[A]

There aren't any.

[B]

You can't.

[A]

There aren't any.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Maybe the Pouncey brothers.

[B]

They were.

[A]

But they were fantastic. Yeah, they were pretty good.

[B]

And the other thing. I always challenge people. I know you got to go to break, but I don't see Toledo yet.

[A]

So you're fix something. We got another minute.

[B]

You're not in trouble yet. So is the fact that I always challenge people. You tell me the next NFL offensive lineman who gets arrested for assault or beating his wife or things. Offensive linemen are usually the biggest, most strongest on. On the team.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But they're protectors. There's a. There's a nurturing gene side. Yeah. That you protect. It's usually they're happy. Go lucky, jolly. Make fun of everybody. Get made fun of. Yeah. And you go about your business, but you screw with something that. Here's the thing.

[A]

I think I just discovered, as you said, that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The reason they're not arrested for domestic violence is because they're so big. Their wives are afraid of them, and they listen.

[B]

See, it takes. There's a possibility that that's a staunch Jewish person on Yom Kippur to come up with something that's. So.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

Revolutionary.

[A]

It's true. That's because a lot of wide receivers are like, 6ft, 185.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're not that intimidating. And a woman will be like, shut your mouth. And they're like, ah, I got. No. You and your prime were what, six, six? Three? 90 something.

[B]

No. Two.

[A]

Okay. I took a shot. Looking at you. I guessed higher, but yeah. And there's no way Brooke was gonna mouth off to you. Brooke doesn't want some lumbering boulder to come in mad at him.

[B]

Back then. I could run a little bit.

[A]

Right. You were athletic and gigantic. What woman is going to confront that?

[B]

But you know what I'm saying?

[A]

That's truth.

[B]

No offense. Linemen are good people at heart.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Yeah. Now go to Brie.

[A]

Got his final word. Ending it by saying he's awesome.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so is everybody like him. Although there were some dickheaded offensive linemen too on your team.

[B]

No, they were Newton and criminals. One of the friendliest. Most.

[A]

Because he was high all the time. He was running drugs for the cartel.

[B]

All over Texas until he was done playing. I never touched it.

[A]

Okay. I believe that is untrue. Dale Hellister is here. It's Thursday and that means he's going to go. We'll do our picks next and see if Dale wants to play this week and we'll find out exactly how that works. It's 98 KUPD.

[B]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness.

[A]

I could. I could do without that. Dale is the European games. You never have to do that.

[B]

You don't like to get up early and.

[A]

No. And that's gonna happen now. What do you think of Bad Bunny doing the halftime show? I know you're a big fan. I saw that Donald Trump is going to. They said that Trump was going to have ice agents at the football game. There's like not because of Bad Bunny, but we're going to take care of any illegal. Like what's. How. How are these. That's a pretty successful illegal alien that's heading into the Super Bowl. Yeah. And they have an eye on it. But also Bad Bunny's Puerto Rican. I don't know if anybody knows this, but that's the United States.

[B]

I don't know anything.

[A]

Did you not know that?

[B]

No, I haven't studied Bad Bunny.

[A]

Well, I'm talking about the Puerto Rico thing. You haven't studied the Bad Bunny?

[B]

No, I have not. I thought that was a kids. Kids cartoon.

[A]

It was and then it turned into this. And he's a transvestite sometimes. And sometimes he's not very funny too. Apparently now they're saying too who.

[B]

What?

[A]

Really? The whole Satanist thing. Oh yeah. I'll be curious to hear what.

[C]

They didn't know any of that either.

[A]

Dale, as far as that he was a Satanist. Really? I knew he was just making this up.

[B]

They chose for the Super Bowl.

[A]

Well, he's. You know, that's the rumors of the crazy people who can't just watch a Super bowl halftime show without adding in Satanism.

[C]

And I didn't how serious the Trump thing was a statement or, you know.

[A]

Sammy Davis Jr. Was a Satanist. Nobody ever brings that up.

[B]

Well, he's a cute little guy.

[A]

Exactly. You could take him. That's been my argument forever. No matter. You know. That's why nobody will ever say midget is a Bad word like. And take it seriously. We don't like being called that. I'm like, shut up.

[B]

What are you doing?

[A]

What are you gonna do about it? Get 30 of your closest friends. They'll still mop the floors with you. Look like a video game.

[B]

Just sweeping. Boy, you went right into Brett, didn't you?

[A]

Oh, yeah, no. Brett and I have a very similar opinion about uppity. All right, boys.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Brett and I both have the buy this week.

[B]

Oh, so you got. So you got to pick a wild card.

[A]

So I will pick.

[B]

I will pick.

[A]

You pick the Cardinals game.

[B]

All right.

[A]

And then Dale, I'll let you give me a game to pick or a team to pick. You just choose it out of thin air right now. A game I've got.

[B]

Okay, so you got Cincinnati. I got Dallas. I want you to pick Baltimore.

[A]

Oh, damn it. What a dick. All right. I like it. Actually, don't mind it because you gave me half a hard on with that because I realized that Cooper Rush is their quarterback. All right, let's get right to it. Brady or Bengals. Who do they play this week and who are you taking?

[C]

Well, I'm not taking the Bengals.

[A]

They're playing the Detroit Lions. Ten and a half did you want.

[C]

To take but a win loss.

[A]

You can take points and make it more interesting if you'd like.

[C]

No, I'm going to take Detroit for the win.

[A]

Straight up. You're not going to give the Bengals 10.

[B]

So you're taking money out of our pockets.

[A]

Give the Bengals. Give the Bengals ten and a half. That's a better bet. Otherwise it's a minus 520. We make nothing. All right, Dale, you've got your Cowboys. Who are they playing?

[B]

Brady? Got it.

[A]

New York Jets. The Jets.

[B]

New York Jets. And is it in New Yorkers?

[A]

It is in New York. Not paying any attention to the game. Oh, they're two and a half point favorites.

[B]

Favorites. Oh, they win by. Because they're averaging 40 points a game.

[A]

You'll give them two and a half.

[B]

Yeah, I'll take the Cowboys and give two and a half.

[A]

All right. Beautiful, Brett. The Arizona Cardinals have the weird and lowly Tennessee Titans. But who knows what they are and that is here in Arizona. Cardinals are favored by eight and a half points and who knows what. The Cardinals are exactly the day.

[B]

Yeah, but they had a mini buy. Yeah, and they're. They're offensive lines actually going to start. They. They went back to school, realized that the scoop blocks and double teams. You need to stay on the double team.

[A]

Yes, yeah, it'd be better at your job. Imagine that. Tennessee's gonna go on five. I'm taking the Cardinals straight up. Yeah, I'll take them straight up. You don't give eight and a half points. Don't trust either. And you got me with the Baltimore Ravens and Cooper Rush against. I don't even know who they playing. Where's that one at?

[C]

It's.

[A]

Oh, there it is. Ravens are the Houston Texans a one and a half point fair. I'm take the Houston Texans straight up.

[B]

Would you. Would you do that if Lamar was quarterback?

[A]

No.

[B]

You wouldn't?

[A]

No.

[B]

Would you actually utter the words, I'm taking the Baltimore Ravens?

[A]

No.

[C]

He'd take the loss.

[A]

I would take the loss. I give every one of you 33 bucks right now. Can't do it, man. So there it is. It's a plus 703.

[B]

Okay, that's pretty good.

[A]

That's not bad. So, you guys. We have a nice one going here. I think those are good bets. Brady's is the lock of the week. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Who's the quarterback for Cincinnati now?

[A]

Jake Browning.

[B]

Jake Browning. Boy, he might light up the sky.

[A]

Dale's fun after that.

[C]

They called Kenny Anderson, see if he'd come.

[A]

I'm telling you right now, mark my words, in the next two weeks, Jameis Winston or Russell will be the quarterback of the Bengals in the next two weeks. That trade is happening after they killed Jake Brown.

[C]

Gabriel got the wave.

[A]

Please, in Cleveland. Oh, yeah, Get Dylan. Gabriel's your Cleveland. Ohio Sports.

[B]

Did you see the interview that your boy Shador Sanders did? No.

[A]

What'd he say? He's not my boy.

[B]

He is your boy. Well, you were mad that.

[A]

Be nice to my boy. Not there. Come on.

[B]

He was being interviewed about, you know, him not being selected to start. And he mouthed everything to the reporter.

[A]

He didn't say it out loud? No, he just moved his mouth. I didn't see that. Yeah, that's why you're not starting. It's crap like that.

[B]

Immature? Is that. Now the question is, we're talking about on the main event. Does Dion call him and go, hey, stop acting like an idiot? Or does Dion go. Way to go.

[A]

That's my boy. That's the way to get him. That's the door. You did right by your daddy.

[B]

Because one thing, Dion could act the fool because he backed it up. He's really good. Yeah, son, not so much.

[A]

There's a third stringer, and I don't know if you knew this, but one, then two, followed by three. And if you have three next to you before every game, two's going to start before you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You should have seen this coming. He went to Colorado. We don't do much math down there. Now, Johnny. Come on, player. I wonder what Dion did. I didn't see that. If Shador is doing that crap, I wonder if Dion calls him. What you doing, son?

[B]

What about the 205 mile an hour traffic citations earlier?

[A]

Yeah, it was a little silly, too. He kind of.

[B]

Does Dion call him? I mean, I know. As a dad, what's matter?

[C]

You can't go 225.

[A]

Your daddy would have gone 225. I'm faster than you should do.

[B]

As a dad, I'd be on the phone so damn quick. Say after the first. You do that again, you're just shooting yourself.

[A]

And isn't it like Dion's job? You're making me look dumb.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Did you see what the rates are for General? Our insurance?

[A]

Yeah, you gotta call the general. And the penny's raising as the door. Come on now. 305amonth for insurance? You're crazy. I gotta get my feet cut off. He's got the diabetes. He's getting his feet cut off.

[B]

Yeah, it's scary.

[A]

And they said it started with turf toe.

[B]

Yes. That happened in Dallas. He missed a couple games. And even a couple of our teammates were like, come on, you're telling me you can't go? And I. And I was like, hey, turf. I've had turf for my entire career.

[A]

Wouldn't want to be running.

[B]

Good play cornerback.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With turf toe.

[A]

And they said it started with that and then got worse and worse and worse. Of course, as physical, I think it was diabetes for the most part. They were like cutting toes off because you can't heal. So good luck to Joe Burrow and.

[B]

Rock Purdy, Arizona's most powerful rock radio station.

[A]

He said fully erect.