10-21-25 - Making Toledo Face The Music After His Mariners Lost Game 7 To Toronto And Discussing Why We Do This To Ourselves w/Our Favorite Sports Teams

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness – Arizona
Episode Title: Making Toledo Face the Music After His Mariners Lost Game 7 to Toronto And Discussing Why We Do This To Ourselves w/Our Favorite Sports Teams
Date: October 21, 2025
Host & Regulars: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo

Overview

This episode is a classic “group therapy” session for sports fans—centered on Dick Toledo’s heartbreak after his beloved Seattle Mariners lost Game 7 of the ALCS to the Toronto Blue Jays. The crew dives deep into the pain and rituals of sports fandom, dissecting why people attach so much of their emotional wellbeing to teams that so often let them down. The show is a mix of commiseration, comic analogies, and candid reflections on the madness of sports devotion.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Toledo’s Mariners Heartbreak: Reliving the Loss

• The crew mercilessly recaps Toledo’s pain, repeatedly replaying the broadcast clip of the Blue Jays’ series-winning home run ([02:59], [17:07], [37:05]).
• “The Toronto Blue Jays beat the only team in base that has never been to the World Series in game seven with a three-run homer… It was so pathetically hard to watch knowing you've got a friend who is all in.” – John ([01:56])

2. Superstition and ‘Jinxing’ in Sports Fans

• The hosts joke that Toledo “jinxed” the Mariners by buying World Series tickets when they went up 2-0 in the series and changing his usual viewing clothes ([06:29], [24:14]), highlighting common sports superstitions.
• "You did that? I was kidding... you actually exclamation pointed that thing." – John to Richard ([24:14])
• The group confesses to their own game-day rituals (lucky clothes, necklaces), knowing it’s irrational but impossible to stop ([25:25] – [26:54]).

3. Why Do We Torture Ourselves With Sports?

• John launches into an extended analogy comparing sports fandom to a toxic romantic relationship:
  • “It's a bipolar girlfriend. You won't leave her... It's the most love and loyalty you can feel for anything in your life. And then it does this to you and ghosts you until next March. It's brutal.” ([05:51])
  • “We would abandon a human being much faster than we will ever abandon a sports franchise. Anybody that makes us feel like this... we’d leave. But sports, we keep coming back.” ([09:02])
• The panelists agree men are irrationally loyal to teams—often more so than to people—and recount how quickly they’ll ditch an emotionally draining person but not a losing team.

4. Rituals, Clothes, and the False Sense of Control

• The guys debate what clothes Toledo wore for the winning games and how his breaking the habit “caused” the loss ([25:41]).
• John recounts his own abandoned Chicago Cubs fandom, exploring the bittersweet act of walking away—and how the draw never completely fades ([11:25]).

5. The Paradox of Sports Happiness

• The hosts discuss how even the joy of winning a title barely makes up for the years of pain, and for most, it’s more relief than euphoria when it finally happens ([23:28]):
  • “When your team does win it all, it's not that euphoric. It just feels nice that it's over and you got one... When they lose, it's just this massive fall off a cliff.” – John ([23:28])

6. Women and Sports Fandom: Observations and Analogies

• A running comparison emerges—men with sports, women with relationships. The hosts posit women would never tolerate being treated like sports fans routinely are by their teams ([20:27], [21:05]).
  • “If they had that sports drive on top of what they're already bringing with menopause... psychosis!” – John ([21:05])

7. Peer Support, Community, and Schadenfreude

• The group admits starting a text thread excluding Toledo the night of the loss, to avoid “telling Suicide Boy jokes” ([24:06]).

8. Mental Health and Fandom

• The team wonders what a therapist (who knows nothing about sports) would make of such masochistic loyalty:
  • “If you saw a therapist... the first thing you do is, 'We got to get you out of here. This is not safe.'” – John ([22:21])

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Memorable Quotes and Moments

On the agony of sports heartbreak:

• “Oh, it's just awful... but it's miserable.” – John ([03:11])
• “And then she just absolutely blows everything up, breaks Brady's heart, and disappears for like, five months… and then he's just as involved and even more excited now that that ain't gonna happen again.” – John ([07:37])

On irrational rituals:

• “I have a cheap Steeler's necklace... I wear that on game day and I couldn't find it... Thursday after the game go, ‘Well, we all know why this happened.’ I can't find that necklace.” – John ([26:34])

On the never-ending cycle:

• “You're never going to have that text like, hey, we need to talk. No, you don't get that chance. They show up in their new uniforms, their new cool hats. She expects you to buy those.” – John ([13:00])

On loyalty:

• "Men are idiots when it comes to sports. Last night, I'm sitting there thinking, women have this figured out." – John ([10:26])
• “We're more critical of this woman (the team) than anybody else in the world.” – Richard ([15:34])

On priorities:

• “Which would you rather: Mariners win the World Series, or your kid gets a master’s?" — John
  Richard pauses
  – “Bring on the World Series, come on.” – Richard ([37:44])

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Important Timestamps

• [01:40] – Show begins Toledo’s agony tour
• [02:59], [17:07], [37:05] – Key replay of the home run that did in the Mariners
• [05:51] – John’s “bipolar girlfriend” analogy about being a sports fan
• [11:25] – John discusses leaving the Cubs
• [24:14] – Jinx jokes & why buying tickets early doomed the team
• [25:25] – Deep dive into game day clothing superstitions
• [23:28] – Discussion on how winning a title is more relief than joy
• [37:44] – Mariners vs. Master’s degree moment

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Tone and Style

• Conversational, irreverent, sarcastic, supportive, and raw—a group of friends processing shared trauma and poking fun.
• Self-deprecating; heavy on analogies (especially romantic and sexual ones) to describe the highs and lows of fandom.

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Answering the Central Question

The hosts never fully solve why sports fans keep coming back—but through humor, commiseration, and self-mockery, they show it's part addiction, part tradition, and part longing for that fleeting moment of ecstasy or relief when it all works out.

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For Listeners New and Old

Whether you’re a diehard sports fan or just someone who’s watched friends crumble and soar over their teams, this episode perfectly captures the catharsis (and comedy) that comes with unpacking all the emotional baggage—and letting a friend have it when his team breaks his heart.

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Transcript

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[John Holmer]

You thought that was funny? You were laughing like a hyena when he said it. What the hell is wrong with you? Good morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Tuesday. It is 5:45 verse. It's the morning sickness. My name is John. There's Brady. There's Brett. He's here somewhere. But poor guy.

[Brady]

Rough night.

[John Holmer]

Rough night indeed. Rough night indeed for poor Dick Toledo.

[Doug Hopkins]

The one oh pitch high fly ball a rose. Arena watches it go.

[John Holmer]

The Toronto Blue Jays beat the only team in baseball that has never been to the series in game seven with a three run homer late in the game. Oh my goodness. That was so pathetically hard to watch knowing you've got a friend who is all in but a friend nonetheless that we all admit jinxed his own team a few short days ago. And it's very real in baseball. I'll get people who email and say you don't believe in ghosts. You know that. You know they're not. All things have to be all combined. A bunch of different things can be part of a human structure. That's called nuance. I'm a very new. I'm a Renaissance man. Really? Sure. I think ghosts are silly. That's a separate argument than believing that sometimes you can Lay the juju down on somebody. And I think Toledo did it. We called him on it. Poor Toledo's gotta wander through this building today, listening to that noise over and over and over in his head.

[Doug Hopkins]

Just constantly hearing that high fly ball, left field arose. Arena watches it go.

[John Holmer]

Oh, it's just awful. And I've been there, but it's. It's miserable. It was four, three, final.

[Brady]

Yeah, but when it was three one. Yeah, I went out like 15 minutes, about 20 minutes.

[John Holmer]

You missed it.

[Brady]

I'll take the dogs on a walk. I'll come back and catch the last two animals.

[John Holmer]

You missed it. Yeah, those were the last two innings, man. If you went on a walk, you knew you were gonna miss something. You just walked right in after it was over. Well, here. If you missed it. Here, Brady, here's what it sounded like.

[Doug Hopkins]

Pitch high fly ball, left field, a Rosarito.

[John Holmer]

You just got. You got flipped off for not watching. You were the jinx. It was 3:1. While you were watching, you decided to leave. And then.

[Brady]

Cause it was halftime of the.

[John Holmer]

Of the football game. Football game. He's. He's watching something else. Brady's passive back and forth, full display last night. Larry, I don't really care. I just want the boys to have a good time kind of. And then he went out and walk the kids. And Wolf, I watched all three both.

[Brady]

Well, back and forth, two football games. Yeah, go to commercial. Check out the ball game.

[John Holmer]

Got to get that multi view, man. Do you have the.

[Brady]

I know I don't.

[John Holmer]

Oh, you got to get on that. That's a dream. That's a dream come true. Because that way you can hear like you can. Like, let's say this is on here in the background. Like you got.

[Doug Hopkins]

Left field.

[John Holmer]

Great moment though. Great baseball moment. Just have to have him come out there and he gotta reverse this juju or it's going to continue on forever and ever. I mean, that was brutal. You. I know. I'm sorry. I have to. I have to just buy. Maria.

[Richard]

Hi, Richard.

[John Holmer]

How. How did it. Do you need me to replay that real quick just to see if you could. Here, let's just see how your reaction is when you hear that. The one. Oh, pitch.

[Doug Hopkins]

The 10 pitch. High fly ball, left field.

[John Holmer]

What's going through your mind? You're watching the game. Up three one.

[Brady]

Is Lisa alive?

[John Holmer]

Yeah. How many black eyes does she have? I mean, it's domestic awareness on the couch.

[Richard]

And I stood up and the first thing she says, she goes, don't punch anything.

[John Holmer]

Sports sucks. We have talked about this. Sports sucks. Why do we do this to ourselves? Why do we put ourselves through this? Risking it isn't worth it. We would never risk this kind of emotional trauma with anyone in our life. When I say to Brett after, what would Brady do? Comes in, goes, my wife hasn't blown me in a year, Cardell. And Cardell, he wants out. He wants to leave immediately.

[Brady]

Screw this.

[John Holmer]

I won't tolerate any more emotion. But baseball, football, basketball, she really loves me. Yeah, it's just. It's this constant depression, these highs and lows. It's a bipolar girlfriend. And you won't leave her. Like, you're so incredible. It's the most love and loyalty you can feel for anything in your life. And then it does this to you and goes away for ghosts you. Until next March. It's brutal.

[Richard]

You see it coming. There's a base open, putting the F on.

[John Holmer]

Then what, though? The next guy does it.

[Richard]

Springer. It's the guy that's got nine friggin home runs in the postseason.

[John Holmer]

George Springer, go ahead. Home runs fire right now. Yeah, he's the. He is on fire. And then you throw him a meatball. It was. For me, it was hard to watch. And I, you know, you noticed none of us text you last night. We started a new thread of just me and Brady. And Brady, no, no. Wasn't to make fun. It was to just to be like, so what do we do when he's gonna kill himself? Like there's no possible way he's coming to work tomorrow and just get it out, just bleed it out. You can't. And now you got those tickets.

[Richard]

They're already on the marketplace. Yeah.

[John Holmer]

For game four at least. Now maybe it's a closeout game. That would be nice. Or maybe it's just, you know, 1:1 and the game means nothing. People still buy them, but. Oh, Richard, I was feeling for you last night in a huge way. And it just made me question why we do this to ourselves. Why? I don't know.

[Richard]

Because I'm sitting there looking at. Alex is there too. And Alex is finally like, he's come around. Like he was all in on the. On the Mariners this year, too.

[John Holmer]

Oh, boy.

[Richard]

And I'm like, dude, this is you. You haven't suffered until. I get it. I get it. I appreciate you on the bandwagon, but let's see if you're there in a year. I don't recommend this.

[John Holmer]

If in fact, you had a friend. Let's say Brady's got a new gal and she seems to be Pretty darn fun, especially lately. Like we first met her. You're like, nah, I don't see this going on too long. But as. As you got to know her, this girl is fun. You're like, man, this is good. Brady seems really happy. And then she just absolutely blows everything up, breaks Brady's heart, and disappears for like five months. Five months from now, February comes around. Yeah. Five months from now, she's back. And he's just as involved and even more excited now that that ain't gonna happen again. And he climbs right back in. As friends, you got through holidays. We will tell you. Good Lord, man, she's crazy. Why are you. Why are you getting back in this? It's gonna be different this time. We got. She went out and got this, and she did one of these. Really? Seriously. She shored up her bullpen. Like, the whole thing comes back to us looking at each other going, I get it. When. We should be doing the exact opposite with sports.

[Richard]

We should be doing late March where they look aw.

[John Holmer]

Great.

[Richard]

Look at them.

[John Holmer]

They're awesome. And you're locked in. You're locked in. And it's.

[Brady]

It's the friend that ties up in that relationship keeps going back.

[John Holmer]

Yeah.

[Brady]

You get to a point like, I've washing my hands of this.

[John Holmer]

Relationships aren't nearly as emotional as sports. It's not even close. Women hate hearing this. And men will kind of go, well, we will abandon a human being much faster than we will ever abandon a sports franchise. It is. I mean, that's just a fact. Anybody that treats us, puts us in the position Toledo's in today and just makes us feel horrible, just awful. And for a long time, like, this is. You're going to watch. You're not going to watch the World Series, probably. It's not even something that you're. You'll.

[Richard]

I'll watch it for show.

[John Holmer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Peer in and you'll be like, yeah, I hope they kill the Blue Jays. But then you just lost another team. And then. And then you climb right back in. For starters, with people, we're like, man, she wasn't right. Wasn't treating me good. I didn't want to deal with any more of the emotional swings, the ups and downs. We'll abandon a woman that does anything that makes us feel like this on a regular basis. Toledo's woman has never been a winner.

[Richard]

Ever touch the tip four times.

[John Holmer]

Yeah, she just goes off on her own, quietly ghosting you for months at a time, and then comes back and expects you to not only Keep paying for her.

[Richard]

Always calls back in March, but never.

[John Holmer]

Questioned the thing before.

[Richard]

I don't know if I can do it this time.

[John Holmer]

I know. And you go in. That's what you're saying. You're gonna.

[Richard]

Oh, I know that's what you're saying.

[Brady]

Every March.

[John Holmer]

Men are idiots when it comes to sports. Last night, I'm sitting there thinking, women have this figured out.

[Richard]

They don't. I'd rather be where you're at with your. With your baseball team.

[John Holmer]

Oh, yeah. I'm just chilling.

[Richard]

There's no.

[John Holmer]

No expectations.

[Doug Hopkins]

Yeah.

[John Holmer]

No expectations. I'm good. I hate to break it to you. You're exactly where his team's at.

[Richard]

Oh, I know.

[John Holmer]

Yeah. That's the worst part. Watching the World Series. Yeah. Watching the World Series with White Sox fans, because they're not there either. It's horrible. I can tell you this, that when the Diamondbacks killed that bird and I made that false proclamation to be like, I'll be a fan of the Diamondbacks if they go to the World Series again. And then they did it, and I started to get rid of my Cub stuff. There was something a little bit freeing about me leaving this relationship as heavily invested as I was now. Still, when they were in this thing this year, and I kept, like, going, no, you're not a Cubs fan anymore. And those uniforms would flash in front of me. It was like a great set of cans. I'd see the Cubby uniform, and I would have.

[Brady]

You still got a closet full of it, though.

[John Holmer]

I've got a closet full of jerseys. I don't have any of my stuff anymore.

[Brady]

But the jerseys.

[John Holmer]

The jerseys were mine. And it's not even because of that. I. They're. I don't wear any Cubs gear. I have stuff.

[Brady]

Was it tempting at all?

[John Holmer]

No. Yes. A little. It was at the. And I. And I only caught myself once, pca, sitting there thinking, good players hate him. The good thing is I can't stand Pete Crowe Armstrong's face. He looks like Machine Gun Kelly. He drives me insane. And if he was on any other team, I would hate him. And he's on the Cubs, and I hate him. And I'm like, jon, if a therapist would say, you're letting go, this is a healthier place to be. I wouldn't trade it for the world having fandom. But we are. It is too much. It is way too much. And now you've just sat here.

[Richard]

It is too much because two years prior, we were one game away from. From the playoffs.

[John Holmer]

Yeah.

[Richard]

We fell short by one frigging game made it this year. And I knew.

[John Holmer]

I knew you didn't know.

[Richard]

I knew you had.

[John Holmer]

You bought a wedding ring and put a down payment on a dress when she was kind of looking like, you know what?

[Brady]

You booked the venue.

[John Holmer]

Yes. You bo, the whole thing was set. And she goes, nah, I'm leaving. And now you won't hear from her again for four months.

[Brady]

And you'll be back. And you're like, you know what?

[John Holmer]

And you got to sell all the stuff you bought and. Yep. And you're going to say, and you're not even going to say that. She's never going to give you that. You're just going to go again. You're just going to get in bed with her and like, no, you're never going to go like, hey, home.

[Richard]

And she's going to be there.

[John Holmer]

You're never going to have that text like, hey, we need to talk. No, you don't get that chance. They show up in their new uniforms, their new cool hats. She expects you to buy those. And you will. And you will.

[Richard]

The city and there's the city.

[John Holmer]

Connect and all. Yeah, yeah. But never forget Rich. Never forget more. Look at him. The 10 pitch.

[Doug Hopkins]

The 1 pitch high fly ball.

[John Holmer]

And some dude from Toronto jabbed her in the ass in your house.

[Brady]

So friendly.

[John Holmer]

And shook your hand and said, yeah, yeah, watching it happen. You're watching it happen. And then in the end, you have to shake hands and go, good game. Go get him. I hope you win it all. That's the worst part. You can't kill him. It's John Holmer here. Time to talk about TVs Doug Hopkins of my home group and Doug Hopkins dot com. I just sat down with TVs Doug Hopkins and we did some TV commercials while we're watching football. So you get to see me sit next to Doug and somehow or another make Doug look pretty. And I'm happy to do it, too. I bought and sold houses using Doug Hopkins. So I've been through the process and he's the real deal. He is not going to cancel or change the game with fine print contingencies. Simple cash offer and the deal is done. Start the process online@doug hopkins.com or grab the phone and sing Hopkins 1, 800, now Homburg's morning sickness. Oh, so sorry, Richard, but it got me thinking about sports fandom and what it does to us and it's probably healthy in some regards.

[Richard]

You know, I'll be honest, I thought you were going overboard when you Said you were done with the Cubs after they won. I'm like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? And now, like, I'm not even there. I didn't even get what you got. Yeah, and I'm. And I'm like, what am I doing?

[John Holmer]

Well, you're feeling that now. March rolls around. Trust me. Cubs were in the National League championship series in 2015. And you're like, you're ahead of schedule. That's pretty good. Like, we lost badly. And we're like, that's the Mets. Just a guy named Daniel Murphy just tore the brakes off the cuffs. And it's like. Well, it's pretty good, though. Still. It's depressing. But, you know, we weren't even supposed to be there. Mariners fans already start making. Yeah, she took that big crank in my house. But look, I mean, I wasn't even supposed to be there. So she. You know, this other guy, he's pretty great. It was his year. Like, oh, we. We would abandon a woman that made us feel the way we feel about our sports.

[Richard]

And the worst part is we're more critical of this woman than anybody else in the world.

[John Holmer]

Oh, yeah.

[Richard]

We tear apart and we're still there.

[John Holmer]

But. But when I say to you back in September, what's going on with your Mariners? Awesome Right now, man. Oh, like, Trip came in.

[Richard]

Tripp came in. He goes, are the Mariners going to make the playoffs? And I'm like, hey, hey, hey.

[John Holmer]

Yeah, yeah. You don't want to jinx that, do you? You dumbass. And what happened? And you know, you gotta deal with.

[Richard]

Oh, I know.

[John Holmer]

Old snow capped mountain down the hall's coming in here. He's gonna win it. He's gonna have a dodge gag.

[Richard]

I know.

[John Holmer]

My girl treats me great. I got tickets to the front row in the family section. Cause I'm friends with Dave. Oh, Dave Roberts, manager. Do you know the owner of the Mariners? Oh, yeah. Or the Blue Jays, who are actually in the World Series. He's gonna sk. Yeah.

[Richard]

Bouncing a step. We haven't seen.

[John Holmer]

It's gonna. But what would have been worse had you gone to the World Series and then the Dodgers beat the target.

[Richard]

I don't know. Because I fully expected him to get waxed by the Dodgers if they made it.

[John Holmer]

Yeah.

[Richard]

Because they. They showed in the. In the NLC or the ALCs, who they were. And they don't have a bench to hang.

[John Holmer]

Yeah. That's why they're not in the World Series.

[Richard]

I know.

[John Holmer]

And it just had started with. With this. The 10 pitch.

[Doug Hopkins]

The 10 pitch.

[John Holmer]

Oh, there it goes again.

[Doug Hopkins]

Left field almost.

[John Holmer]

Arena watches it go. I'm rubbing it in a little bit because it's funny, but I say dump that. You can't do it. You can't do it.

[Richard]

I agree.

[Brady]

I agree.

[John Holmer]

Good, solid advice is why do you do this to yourself?

[Richard]

Because now free agency is going to.

[John Holmer]

Open up.

[Richard]

And there's going to be excitement because there's going to be a new ring on the bench.

[John Holmer]

You'll end up with Kyle Schwaber or something. And your whole world again. She just comes back with breast implants. I know. And a mommy makeover. And you're going to be like, this is different.

[Richard]

And a bbl.

[John Holmer]

Yeah. And then the next thing. And then you go through all this and, you know, Woo busts his arm and Kirby hurts himself and you got injuries now. And you got to blame that. I'm sorry for you. I'm so sorry for you. I feel bad for Richard. I wish the word for 6am this morning was devastation or whore, but it's not. Brett does have it easy right now, but guess what? Guess who's coming back into Brett's life a little bit. The bears.

[Richard]

And he knows the Bears. He'd be out there.

[John Holmer]

She's, for the first time ever, just reached over and unzipped Brett's pants.

[Brady]

Was that just four in a row?

[John Holmer]

Yeah. Brett looked at her like it's been years. What are you doing? I don't know. I just thought maybe it'd be fun to unzip your pants a little bit. Oh, my God. Are we gonna slow down?

[Richard]

We're having fun now, right?

[John Holmer]

We're just gonna. No, no. We're on this week. She's telling jokes. She's funny. And Brett's like, this is the reason I liked her. She's back.

[Richard]

You guys don't understand.

[John Holmer]

Yeah. Yeah. And we've all been like, why? And why would you ever do this to him, dude, you don't know. Like, right now, you still know her. You don't know her. She's different at home. We are idiots. Idiots. I've got a team that constantly takes you to the edge and then just caps it off and leaves. Are you about to. I'm. Oh, yeah. I'm about. All right. I'm going to go home now, and it's going to be ugly because, like, right before you're. You're going to bust. She just starts batting it around for a little while and then punches you in the balls and walks out in the playoffs like, what just happened? How did we lose a playoff game? 48 to 13. We were pretty good this year.

[Doug Hopkins]

Ow.

[John Holmer]

Then she leaves. You didn't even finish. I did. I'm done. Oh. See you next year. Yeah. Toledo's just getting. She just started biting it after she got him back into the trust tree. I mean, this was an edging sensation. Just edges Corona's tips, balls, you know, maybe even back door a little bit with that finger thing. That's pretty nice. And then right before she just bites down, starts chewing on it like beef jerky. Oh, sorry, Richard.

[Richard]

That exactly that.

[John Holmer]

That and all those people in Seattle had to sit there.

[Richard]

And the best part, I opened up T mobile.

[John Holmer]

The best part was, man, you didn't probably watch this. Is that on? The Seahawks were playing at home last night while this was going on. And they came back from commercial.

[Richard]

Yeah, I saw it.

[John Holmer]

They just announced to the crowd. Place was a morgue for about eight minutes of the Seattle Seahawks. Just, just told the crowd that the Blue Jays won it all. You could hear a pin drop in this place.

[Richard]

And like, oh, well, they panned the crowd. Everybody's watching on their phones.

[John Holmer]

Everybody was miserable. Anyway, I don't know why we do it. So ladies, you win, you win that battle in a big way. Because I don't think ladies have actually put all of their heart and soul into people. Their emotions are for dumb for people. And that doesn't make sense at all. Not really at all. I don't think anyway, the world.

[Brady]

Imagine if they had that sports drive.

[John Holmer]

They'd kill everyone on top of what they're already bringing with menopause. Plus this, the psychosis.

[Brady]

This is why we don't want them.

[John Holmer]

This is why you go down to title nine and you see, look at those lesbians. And they just look like us. They look like a bunch of middle aged men frustrated with the world. I can't blame. Yeah, you can't blame them at all. I mean, they're just like, I got into sports and chicks and it's just killing me. It's killing me. Yeah, they. They tried to be as much like us as possible. And the real good ones cut their hair like Toledo's right now. They all look like Kurt Warner without a beard. And they're just sitting at a bar just going, why do I do this to myself? And they're the same as us and lesbians are the same. One more, Mick. Yeah, just one more. I don't know what just happened, but one more. I mean, I don't know if they get that kind of vibe off of the Mercury losing. I don't know if there's. I don't know if any of them go home. And like, I just. Because it's a. It's from a different.

[Brady]

It's from another team.

[John Holmer]

It's another sport. It has to be. Because it's a 30 game series or season and you can't even get that attached.

[Richard]

They play 30 games and then seven in the final.

[John Holmer]

Yeah.

[Richard]

You play a quarter of your games.

[John Holmer]

The whole season is the playoffs. They're morons. They're poorly run. But anyway, today, 6:00am Code word for the. Tap. Yeah, tap. Take it in the app. Sorry, Rich. Entry is the code word for 6am entry. E, N, T, R, Y. Entry. Like when the Blue Jays entered the Seahawks entry.

[Richard]

Seahawks.

[John Holmer]

I'm sorry, I'm moving on to the next part. Oh, Richard. But anyway, we all have it. We all have the disease. But if you saw a therapist who didn't know about sports and you told him about this, the first thing you do is, we got to get you out of here. This is not safe. We all talk about mental health being so important these days.

[Richard]

Oh, we have a new mental health provider on our system. Yeah. In the company we were allowed to.

[John Holmer]

Like, they pay for that.

[Richard]

Yeah.

[John Holmer]

Hot diggity. Let us know how it is. Yeah, no kidding. Because you're gonna need it more than any of us. Yeah. And then we've got, you know, we always want to make sure everybody's in a good state of mind. And, you know, we put people on pills for being. And then we dive into this crap.

[Richard]

And does Katrina even take calls from men in like October and probably not.

[John Holmer]

Like, you're doing it to yourself. And I'm not going to waste my time. You know what's funny? And I know Cardinal fans won't understand this. Bears fans won't understand this. Bengals fans won't understand this. You might a little Seahawk fan, when your team does win at all, it's not that euphoric.

[Richard]

No, it was.

[John Holmer]

It just feels nice that it's over and you. And you kind of got one. It's like going to sleep. It's like, okay, that's done. Thank God that stress ball has ended in the positive way. Because there's. When they win it all, you're like, okay. When they lose, it's just this massive, you know, fall off a cliff. You're pretty happy when they win, but you almost have to fake to make up for all the pain you went through getting there.

[Richard]

Football's different than this friggin sport though.

[John Holmer]

Baseball is almost all year.

[Richard]

It's just.

[John Holmer]

It starts in the end of February. It goes all the way through. And then God forbid, you had no expectations this was possible and they did it.

[Richard]

Diamondbacks general manager said, you know, we're good. Winning 54% of our game, right?

[John Holmer]

He was happy being a 540 team.

[Richard]

What?

[John Holmer]

Anyway, bring that back. I was thinking about you last night. We started a new text thread without you because we didn't want Suicide Boy in our jokes. So it was pretty. But you jinxed him. And that's one thing you have to take responsibility for. And you know better as a sports fan that around buying World Series tickets to when your team's just up two. Oh. Like I said to you in the hall when they were up 20 and I jokingly said 2o lead in the ALCS, nothing can go wrong here. And you went and bought World Series tickets. I'm like, you did that? I was kidding. And you went out and actually exclamation pointed that thing. Sorry, Rich, but I have to blame you for this. You and all those people who didn't wear their hats backwards properly. Or the guy who forgot shoes on their heads. The guy who forgot to put the quarter in his shoe that morning, which is. He's been doing it since September. All the people that had their superstitions and they didn't do them properly, it's your fault. Because we think that's how close we are to this. We actually think where we sit, which TV we watch, how we are, what we're drinking has some sort of input on the outcome of the game. And I don't know what your superstition at home was.

[Brady]

You can change your underwear now.

[John Holmer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Richard]

I didn't wear anything like the clothes that I wore Clothes.

[John Holmer]

Christ, I'm glad they lost.

[Richard]

The clothes that I wore in the three losses.

[John Holmer]

Yeah.

[Richard]

Were gone. Like I made sure and set those aside.

[John Holmer]

You changed your shirt from the winds.

[Richard]

The winds. I didn't wear anything. I didn't wear my jersey. I didn't wear anything.

[John Holmer]

Right, but you wear the exact same thing you had on during the winds. You didn't wear the same outfit. Oh my God, that superstition 101. I mean, what the hell? The first two games you go up 20 on the road and you changed your clothes. What are you thinking? What is wrong with him? Well, clearly there's another reason you wear the same fit. My friend John Sharpnick stands next to me and he's in His Steelers Joe Green jersey. And he goes, when we play the Packers, I have the new throwback jerseys Sunday night. But ever since I've been wearing this, we haven't lost. And I'm like, well, what do you wear on Thursday? Yeah, so they lost and I can change his shirt. So it was like, yeah, had nothing to do with it, but I got it. I understood that Holmberg's morning sickness. 28 KUPD. Holmberg's morning sickness. In fact, I have a cheap stealer's necklace that I put on. It's really weird, but Mike Tomlin used to wear it. And I'm like, I gotta get me one of those. And I got. He's his probably had real diamonds. Mine are all fake. And I wear that on game day. And I couldn't find it on Thursday. And so I moped around a little bit Thursday after the game go, well, we. We all know why this happened. I up. I can't find that necklace.

[Brady]

So on the first two wins, I understand the third win, you're wearing the same thing. And they lose.

[John Holmer]

Yeah.

[Brady]

You'll go back, wear the same thing on the floor.

[John Holmer]

You mix it up. If you. If you go to your superstar. But he didn't. So that's why they lost. Had he worn those clothes, Brady, they would have been up 3 0. Then they were swept.

[Richard]

I didn't concentrate on the wins. I just concentrated on what I was wearing, on the losses. Made sure I didn't wear that.

[John Holmer]

Never went back to the championship gear that you initially got a 20 lead with. And meanwhile, you're online buying merchandise. You might as well been in africa. Seattle Mariners 20, 25 World Champs shirts. I mean, what were you thinking? Meanwhile, you know one of Bob Ross's cabins with the white snowy roof is going to come here going, how's everybody else's night? I got plans to go to the World Series.

[Richard]

What are you doing?

[John Holmer]

Kill you today.

[Brady]

Are you going to set up in his office? You'll see him painting Dave.

[John Holmer]

He might. Yeah, painting like his ninth championship trophy. And Dave wants to fly us to Toronto. I don't know if I'm gonna go to that one.

[Brady]

Dave who?

[John Holmer]

Robert's manager.

[Richard]

Maybe I can have chat GPT create maybe a picture of Dave Roberts flipping him off.

[John Holmer]

Sad. That's just sad. That's the best you got?

[Richard]

No. Yes.

[John Holmer]

Yeah. Yeah. Don't be so quiet over there, Brett, because she's about to start. I'm gonna pull out. I'm not saying a goddamn thing. Who do they play this weekend? Ravens oh, well, the Ravens are in trouble, but that's not the team you want to have Lamar come back on.

[Richard]

Yeah, Lamar's back.

[John Holmer]

Oh, I'm rooting for the Bears. He's got nothing else, so. He doesn't. There's not a lot going on there. Boy, if they beat the Ravens, you guys are gonna get a little like, she pulled it out of the zipper. Oh, yeah. And then she's just flicking it. Yeah. Yeah, she's just flicking it. You're not 100% correct yet, but you're like, this is going the right direction. Hi, Brett. Hi, Bears. What are you doing? I don't know. I just thought I'd come in the bedroom and see what you're up to. You've been in here for years. I know. Wha. Why are you doing that?

[Richard]

In fact, you kind of got fat for a while.

[John Holmer]

Yeah, you got fat and dumb. I was dating Eberfluss. Things are different now. Oh. Oh, it's awful. It's awful. Anyway, Rich, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry for your family. I'm sorry for you. You have to. I told you yesterday you'd be at work on Monday because you're not going to any stupid games for the World Series. And that. That was real. And, gosh, I hope you can fill your time Saturday. Seahawks won last night.

[Brady]

Seahawks looks fine.

[John Holmer]

That doesn't matter right now. That was kind of a weird game. I mean, Cooper cup chucking interceptions and weird stuff going on the whole way, but I hate this two Monday Night Football game thing.

[Richard]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either.

[John Holmer]

Cup's coming through there, huh?

[Brady]

Is that it? Or do we have another one more double Monday night?

[John Holmer]

I don't know. Not.

[Richard]

This next one is doing it says.

[John Holmer]

Christopher DeWitt says that's it. Toledo has to go, that lessons have to be learned. People think you should be fired for this. This one says, my God, you're. You're gabbing like a bunch of hurt lesbians talking about your superstitions in sports. The broads talk about their chakras. That's no different. No, you're right. When it comes to we turn into bitches. No, that. That's my point. My point exactly.

[Doug Hopkins]

Yeah.

[John Holmer]

Is that we're normal until then. That's why I said in the middle of that. You know what? You're a typical man. You just don't listen. I said in the middle of it. Women have this figured out, and we don't. We turn into crazy people. We turn into them. Everything we Complain about a woman is too emotional. Highs and lows, we turn into that with sports. We could learn a lesson from this, boys. We can learn a lesson and go, you know what? I'm a little too rough on her sometimes about her emotional swings. Cause that's me. I'm still down about last Thursday. I'm still not having good days. I don't start the day well. I gotta watch the Mike Tomlin press conference there. I don't have to, but I'm gonna. I watched the All 22. I watched the entire game tape of the Steelers and Bengals and break down how bad Broderick Jones is. That's how invested I am in this. It's hard for me to hear Megan's day, but I'll spend two hours watching. Well, she starts talking about it. She says it, but. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, she's. It's in the.

[Richard]

Right, right?

[John Holmer]

Yeah, I hate her, too. Oh, wait, you're right. Yeah, she's the one I like. Oh, that. She's a. Oh, no, no, wait. Yeah. No, that's the one we. The short one. I've known her for eight years. I'm hungry here to talk all day. It's the all 22. I have to watch, and I do. I break the game down at least once on that game tape thing they provide on the NFL Network or in the NFL app. I will go and watch silently because there's no sound on it. Every single play is played twice from two different camera angles that show all 22 positions. And I watch it. I assess it. I wonder why we play this. This cover 2 and Cloud 3 coverage on clear running downs. I'm like, what are we doing? I. I know it up and down, and I'm invested, and I don't know why I do that.

[Richard]

What's your answer to Jamar?

[Brady]

I asked the same thing.

[Richard]

Oh.

[Brady]

About friends, like.

[John Holmer]

Yeah, you. You've got it figured out, too. Not being passionate about anything is the way to go.

[Brady]

Well, I watch. I watch them. The reaction that they're ruined for the. Yeah, a championship, all that. I'm like, this just isn't worth it. But then I have the thing.

[Richard]

Yeah, no, I mean, I'm quite too. With your Ohio State in your national championship.

[Brady]

Yeah, the national championship's one thing, but the thing that looms every year is you. You winning.

[John Holmer]

But here's the thing.

[Brady]

Your softball games, the first four. Now you've got a couple of wins.

[Richard]

Yeah.

[Brady]

But now one's lurking.

[Richard]

Now you can lose. You can lose twice and still win the.

[John Holmer]

You've chosen wisely. In a rigged sport where teams are constantly given gifts to be part of the finals, you picked one. That's brilliant. That is brilliant. That is the smartest thing you can do is go, which sports are rigged? Which sports needs six or seven of these teams to constantly be there? And you choose when you're not going to win every year, but you're going to be in it all the time because it's rigged in your.

[Brady]

And I was born into it.

[John Holmer]

Exactly. I was watching wwe. Exactly. But it's genius. People who like WWE cry sometimes. We're dumb. It's real. It's real to me. Damn it. I saw one just recently where I know it was Cody Rhodes or something. Did something. The whole front row is in tears. I'm like, what the hell? Oh, it was. The Undertaker was out there once. This was a clip from a while ago. And he just looked at the crowd. I think he just announced, it's the last time he's gonna do anything. But it's not. It's like kissing. They're done with concerts. And he just started to shake his head. And the front row, God damn it, don't go. They were losing it. I'm like, we're all this way. Hey, toledo. What's the 6am Word?

[Richard]

Mush.

[John Holmer]

It's entry. As in the Blue Jays have booked their entry into the World Series entry. Anyway, Chris DeWitt wanted Toledo fired for this.

[Richard]

Yeah. That guy. He's never known the love of a sports fan.

[John Holmer]

It is ridiculous. But, yeah, I. Now I'm home. Oh, my God. I was on the phone with Becky. Becky is smart. Oh, no. Yeah, no, that's stupid. That was really dumb of her. No, I don't want to turn it off. I can watch and listen at the same time.

[Richard]

All of our friends were texting Lisa, like, not checking in on me, but they were checking in.

[John Holmer]

Nobody wanted to talk to you, right? Your phone did not beep at all.

[Richard]

No.

[John Holmer]

Maybe you and Craig Gas and a couple other Mariner fans.

[Richard]

Gas.

[John Holmer]

Gas.

[Richard]

Text me before the game.

[John Holmer]

Was he there?

[Richard]

I don't think he was there.

[John Holmer]

Oh, he's.

[Richard]

He said he's got to go to Australia, I think.

[John Holmer]

Yeah. Just to get away. Just to get away from this. They won't show the World Series there.

[Richard]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmer]

Yeah. This guy says, I can honestly tell you, John, if my Cowboys ever reach the pinnacle again, many of us true long time Dallas fans will let out such a huge, massive sigh of relief and then go crazy. But the idiot bandwagon Dallas fans will ruin it for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what comes with winning, is a bunch of people who just jump on board and then jump off. The smart ones, the. The ones that I. Now I'm starting to envy, the ones that can abandon. Abandon a bad season instead of absorb.

[Richard]

It all and then come back in a year or two after they've done.

[John Holmer]

Everything, revamp the team, and then they're back in your house, brand new shirt on. Yep. I remember I got upset. Who was the comedian that came in? I remember if it was. Oh, it was Bill Bellamy, and I was in a Steelers shirt. And Bellamy goes, oh, man, you're a Steelers fan. I'm like, yeah. And he goes, this is good. This is good. Who's our quarterback this year? I'm like, I'm not talking to you. If you don't know that you're not. Don't. Don't play like we're down. Just don't. That's stolen. Valley. You know what I've been through to get to this? And you're gonna ask me the quarterback is. That's like me being in a Marine outfit. And then you just go put one on and come in and say, hey, man, was the last war we were in. It's like, are you kidding me? They're like, are you. Get out of here.

[Richard]

How about that Iwo Jima thing?

[John Holmer]

Yeah, the Iwo Jima. That's still pictures of us separate, Finn. No, it's semper fi. What are you doing? Anyway? Entry is the word, and you can win some money on that Toledo. I'm sorry. That's the last we'll hear of it until I start playing that clip again.

[Richard]

No, no.

[John Holmer]

I am a little bit. I feel bad because I have been there, and I know the last thing that anybody wants to deal with. Look at him. That one. Oh, pitch. It hurts when I play, but you know what?

[Doug Hopkins]

High fly ball, left field. A Rosarita watches. It goes.

[John Holmer]

You're watching in the. I see you looking at it in the reflection. You're trying not to watch. This is the best way to do. It's like Clockwork Orange. Pry your eyes open and watch it until it doesn't hurt anymore.

[Richard]

And it's in reverse. So it's like.

[John Holmer]

So he's running from third to first. The reflection of trying to go back in time. You're seeing it go the other way. If I could just reverse it. If you would go. If you could get a time machine and go back in time and do something that Makes it so the Mariners go to the World Series.

[Richard]

Or.

[John Holmer]

How would it be that Alex has a degree in college?

[Richard]

Oh, God. Jesus.

[John Holmer]

See, the fact you're pausing is enough for me to show me where your love really is. Which one's more likely? No, no, he's got a. He's got a. He's got a magic thing that can make the Mariners world champions or his son have a master's degree. I'll take the Mariners. I would take the Mariner. I mean, I'm not even a Mariners fan, and I like to let the Mariners have it. That's, like. You would not. You don't know, probably a Mariner.

[Doug Hopkins]

There you go.

[John Holmer]

That's some honesty right there. That kid will figure it out. He will. He will. Those are overrated anyway. Who doesn't have a college degree? It doesn't get you anything.

[Richard]

20, 25 masters.

[Brady]

He's milking you for some more money.

[John Holmer]

Well, still, though, what if you didn't feel the pinch financially? He just has one. It doesn't mean he's doing anything with it. He just has one. He could disappoint even more with a master's degree living in your house.

[Richard]

Bring on the World Series. Come on.

[John Holmer]

And working over at the Choco Taco or wherever he is. That would. It would piss you off even more. Anyway, let's get a wake up song for poor sad Toledo and his mariner nightmare. 585-9-800 will scream it together. It's 98 Kupi. Wake up. Arizona's most powerful, powerful rock radio station.