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John
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Brady
Sickness. The old method of treatment for a person in this condition was to throw him in jail. Good morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Friday Halloween 5:45. My name's John. There's Brady, there's Brett, there's Big Dick Toledo. This is the morning sickness. And we're off and running for a glorious Friday morning on Halloween. 88-degree Halloween. Take that rest of the United States. That's. I got no complaints. Huge burp on deck though. Did wake up with Alex.
Brett
Cool down. Nice.
Brady
5:33, 82. It's going to be perfect. Get your kids all sugar candied up, load them up, toss them in bed. Nine o', clock, roll out to Desert Ridge, Go see Night of the singing Dead. Have fun with us, get drunk on Halloween, enjoy our evening and be done with it all. Then the holidays begin. This is it. And I weirdly, you know, all the stuff that's going on got busy this busy that I'm going to these things. Got a lot, a lot happening. Pulled up to the house yesterday and saw that my Margie May lighting company had put up my Christmas lights. They're not on by any means, but they're on the house and ready to go.
John
Say, don't be that scumbag.
Brady
You get a, you get a 200 discount if you do it early. Wow. So yeah, yeah, that's right. My people are smart, man. So I got on that thing when I came home and it said merry Christmas in my yard. You know the sign that's. You just look at where it's supposed to be. It's like, my God. It is just absolutely perfect for the kids wandering up. It's crazy.
Brett
Just put sheets over it.
Brady
That's what I'll do. A couple of fat ghosts. There's wide signs. It's all right. Yeah. It's pretty crazy though. It's a. Here we are just staring into the Christmas commercial.
Brett
The final stretch.
Brady
Just weird. It doesn't seem right. But there it is. This is the most. Like there's always the. You know, you always get to this time of year and think to yourself, this happened fast. This is a. It feels a blip. A lot's going on. But it has been an absolute blip that we're going to start here in, you know, December to remembers for Lexus and all their basic ads are coming your way. And you're going to see those snowy commercials. And we're sitting in 90 degree weather. It's not so bad.
Brett
I have to figure out what to put the big red bow on.
Brady
You got your big red bow, you.
Brett
Know, from a couple years ago in Kirby's car. Christmas and we found one of those.
Brady
Now it's a tradition that you have to get a gift big enough. That it? No. Yeah. Because vows you.
Brett
I'll put it on the tiny.
Brady
Yeah. The big red bow would be retired as a one off. You don't do that. You want to make it a habit that's like eventually just gonna buy another car.
Brett
Throwing it away.
Brady
Who's throwing it away? Put it on your house. Make your house. There you go. Make it a decoration. Kirby's gonna get a Bentley under. Yeah. Kirby's getting another car. That's basically what that means. I gotta make this work. The bow does not sit unused. Curbin herbs needs a big prize. That could be.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Hey, man, I've had this car for a year. No, man. Where's my new ride?
Brett
You're right.
Brady
Curators. I've got a bow and no car. That's on me.
Brett
It's on a chinchilla.
Brady
Yeah. We got you a llama.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
I always wanted one of those, man. This is great, man. I got a lamb that's wandering around.
Brady
The neighborhood stoned out of the be Jesus.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Look, I'm biblical Kirby, man.
Brady
Walking around. It's great. I was watching this thing. You want to talk about a. A mind screwer. Speaking of biblical things, do you know why they call the dark ages? The dark ages. I learned this yesterday and Then just dove into this. It's so weird. There's this German scientist, physicist, whatever he is, I don't know as a historian, all that stuff. And he's like, the Dark Ages have always been this, this blip of time between 600 and 900 where there are no records for no reason anywhere. Like, well, other than Asia and Asia, Asia kept different time than us. So it didn't like line up with the ad thing, you know. Egyptians, no, they're nothing. Like there's nothing. So that whole Rome and all that stuff took over that area from 600 to 930. Something. There's no, there's no record. So they call it the Dark Ages. And they're like, we don't really know why that is, that they just stopped writing things down for 300 years. And this German guy has found some things that, that kind of allude to the idea that we're literally right now living in about 1730. Because he said the emperors at the time wanted to be closer to the millennium to make their reign seem like. So they just ditched 300 years to get to the millennium and have the thousand year reign so they could have that as the history. It's like we reigned for a thousand years. Historical documents at the very least. And then they had a couple things made up inside there that nobody can prove. Like there was a Viking invasion and they thwarted off Vikings. It didn't maybe happen as like a bunch of the things that were kind of after the fact saying this is what we've been going through can't be confirmed or anything. So they're just like, meh, there's a 300 year gap and I've never known that. I always, you know, people throw the words Dark Ages around and it's. I don't know what the Dark Ages are. I never. Have you ever looked into it? No, you just assume it's a time when I think of the Dark Ages as like way back before, you know, anybody could write anything down. We were thriving societies. That was what it was. You know, thousands. It was hundreds and hundreds of years after Caesar, which they kept great records for.
Brett
Right. And so they're saying they just decided the record keeping during that time.
Brady
So by the time they just burn.
Brett
A lot of it.
Brady
No, there wasn't anything. You see what I'm saying? There wouldn't be anything to keep. We assume that there's a 300 year gap of no record keeping. But if they jump from 600 to 950, there wouldn't be anything so it's like, okay, this happened in 650. And then the next day, like, this happened in 950. What happened? Like, oh, we weren't keeping records then, but it was because it was like a, like a month. And so they just jumped ahead. So there isn't like record keeping to destroy. There wasn't. There was no time passing then.
Brett
We just have a lot just before that.
Brady
Otan Caesar, I mean, Rome, all of it, like Rome 79 AD at least recording. And we have records from the first Olympics, which were 500 BC. We have like the numbers. It's crazy. And then you start looking, you're like, yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Why suddenly they wouldn't have anything? And then everybody just kind of got on the timeline over a year or two of telling all the peasants, oh, no, no, we've jumped way ahead. That was. And also that they thought that Jesus was coming back on year 1000. They're like, that's going to happen. That's pretty much a thing. So they wanted to, let's see if we can fool the old man and pop him back in here. And then he didn't show up on a thousand or thirteen hundred. And now it's all screwed up.
Brett
What kind of festival they had planned.
Brady
And they ran it. Yeah, the thousand years like they wanted to be around for. They were kind of like me. They're like, let's just hurry this up. I think it was a bunch of John Holmberg's walking around in 6, 640 going, seems a little long, doesn't it? Like he's been gone for a long time. I don't think he's coming back. Maybe if we just, you know, hit fast forward for a second, get to a thousand and see if he does it. And then at the end of that.
Brett
Question me, if I had another 300 years.
Brady
The emperors are like, what if I just started writing nines instead of sixes? Well, people would notice. Would they? Pretty much everybody's stupid as a stump out there. I don't know if you've talked to the people, but we're the only smart ones. And there's 13 of us. If we all agree on it, this is pretty done. We just got to get like, you know, the really smart dudes that keep looking at the stars and stuff on board just keep the same month. And then at about a year's time, everybody was just on board. And I never knew what the Dark ages was, so I started to look into it, like, what this guy's doing There's a few little blips in there. Like, there's a king who was the third. And they're like, would they have had the foresight to just pretend there were two others? But they might have. If they had the foresight to say, let's skip ahead. But it was fascinating to me, because then it's. If that ever got proven, then we're in, like, we're in the year 1700 something. And that's. That's all you need to worry about. And it's like, oh, we can start all over. It's crazy. I love it.
Brett
I thought there was a big fire in Ireland way back when. They lost a boatload of records. They had one of the.
Brady
Maybe other people they wouldn't call it. If that's the dark Ages, they wouldn't have been in Ireland. So it was. It's just weird.
Brett
Well, it was stuff that was brought over from our.
Brady
But you're still saying that there would be records to destroy. There weren't. If there was no time, there were no records anyway, nothing happened. It would be like me saying, all right, it's 20, 25 today and tomorrow. I just convince everybody it's 2350. There wouldn't be records in that time. And everybody like, what do we tell people that happen between 2025 and 2350? And be like, I don't know, make it up. Tell people word of mouth.
Cody
It.
Brady
We're not. We don't have any papers or, you know, they didn't have video. They didn't even think about that stuff. It was real easy to lie is what I'm saying. And you just had to write it down and get the emperors to sign it. And they'd be like, cool, let's. Let's pull this off. Maybe they were just a bunch of jokesters.
John
They're, like, signing house papers. Yeah, fine.
Brady
Yeah, okay.
John
Just whatever. Yeah, I'm good.
Brady
Maybe that was it. It's like. Maybe it was. Yeah, it was like, great American title was still around there. You know what? Let me just stack papers in front of them. They'll never read this. Plus, Brett, back then, the parchment wasn't cheap, so they use a lot of stones.
John
Oh, that's true. Oh, man, you can imagine.
Brady
Go to a home loan back in those days. Just a. Just a room full of a quarry you're sitting there carving your name into. Aah. For Christ's sake. How long am I gonna have to do this? We're not giving paper to everybody. See, that's what I do with My time I was looking up Dark Ages.
Brett
Stuff, but at the same time, even if it was written down.
Brady
Yeah.
Brett
Hardly anybody could read.
Brady
Right. So it didn't matter.
Brett
Yeah.
Brady
So you just say, I got some peasant says, it's the. In the 638. I'm like, man, this is 300 years ago. Are you kidding me? You didn't hear? And we jumped ahead 300 years. Would you go to sleep? Oh, no. And then they would just wander around thinking that they were. They were that, I guess the fall.
Brett
Of the Roman Empire. A bunch of. A bunch of the writers died so no one could write.
Brady
There wasn't anything to write. They skipped 300 years. If this is real, it's crazy. So they're just like, just call it the Dark Ages and the dummies won't know. And then some dude in Germany has been studying it. And when you start looking into it, you're like, hey, that is weird. Like, all they were like meticulous record keepers, especially because all those emperors were so incredibly vain that they wrote about themselves and they moved a lot of calendars and times to give themselves another day and a month named after them. And they just suddenly decided, you just want to have like a picnic for all of them for 300 years.
Brett
But that was in the Roman Empire.
Brady
Was all of it, though, just moved. That was who's in charge. So then they moved around. Like that was where our history came from. We go to the other ones, we're like, yeah, that didn't happen then. That was in like 900. And you tell the dumb nations, like, all right, they were in year 900. We missed it by 300 years. We're idiots.
Brett
I don't care as long as my crops come in.
Brady
Yeah, they didn't know. It's like, if we had 300 crops, I don't think we have. Yeah, no, it's 900. And the weather well then stayed the same so long as they kept it October. I found that fascinating. It's like I've never known what the Dark Ages were. Now that I kind of do. And not that it's even a conspiracy, it would just be like, it says, we've been with this for years. And why would that?
Brett
Because of its negative and often inaccurate implications. Many historians avoid the term Dark Ages in favor of neutral terms like early Middle Ages or early Medieval period.
Brady
Yeah, they got that whole thing with the guys that break it down to a bigger time period, but there is a 300 year gap of nothing and a few things that they added in they don't really have documents of. They just do storytelling. You know, it's weird.
Brett
Just like that gap in Christ's life, too. You don't have much.
Brady
Yeah, he was, like, born and then he was 12 and 30. Yeah, it's like, wait a minute. We had one moment where he's a kid going, I built a table. I'm pretty good at it. Hey, good on you, kid. I did a trick. Oh, he's learning some magic through a.
Brett
Temper tantrum at a temple.
Brady
Yeah, he'd be busted up. He was. He hated the Jews, ironically. Was mad at his parents. You know, his dad was never around. He's like, basically, Toledo. Oh, man. Never thought of that.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Holmberg's morning sickness.
Brady
Yeah, I looked into that last night, and I'm like, oh, no. Have I read about this for 45 minutes at 1:30 in the morning? What's wrong with me?
John
Yeah, where did this come from, actually? I mean, what. Why did you start studying the Dark Age?
Brady
Well, but I've. It's Halloween. Well, because Halloween, there's all these stories about, you know, what was it like here? Dark Ages, this. Where was, you know, what was Halloween like originally? They're All Hallows Eve. So I was reading a little bit about this stuff, and then something said, did the Dark Ages actually occur? Or is it 1730 something? I forget the year. It was in the story. I'm like, 1730. What the hell is this guy talking about? Click. John's gone for a while.
John
There we go.
Brady
Yeah.
Brett
Because if you would ask me right off the bat, Dark Ages, I was thinking, oh, the plague. The bubonic sure wiped out.
Brady
You don't even know.
Brett
That was like a dark period.
Brady
These guys were geniuses. Back in 640, they'd be like, dude, no one, like 2,000 years might. Nobody's gonna know what we were talking about. They don't even care. Let's skip ahead. Let's get to a thousand. That's a cool year. I want to be alive in the year 1000. So let's just. Let's lean on it. And it was like, you know what? He's right. People in the future won't even know what the Dark Ages are. And what were the Dark Ages to them? They didn't know they were in the Dark Ages. They weren't aware of it. Nobody says, ah, here. In the Dark Ages thing. Nobody called it that. Then we made it up. And the reason it's called the Dark Ages is because the information is lacking. It's dark. They went there's something about that 300.
Brett
Year period they didn't want to write about.
Brady
Right. All of them, like all those guys, like, just. Let's not talk about my reign as emperor. I don't really want any. I don't want any credit for it. I do it for me, really. It's my passion.
Brett
They hated the Fenwick family.
Brady
Yeah. The Fenwicks will not be known through history. We'd like to be quiet. Anonymously. Running room. They write down a fear Henry 1. What do you say we go? What are you, Henry 3? Yeah, that works. Okay. I'll be Henry III. In between there, we'll have some Viking. Well, have. They're not around anymore, so nobody cares. We'll just thwart the Vikings that showed up in Rome one day. And that's the big story. They've got the Viking invasion of Britain and Adrian's Wall. Yeah.
Brett
That's a thousand years old.
Brady
Yeah. Well, it's like the thing when you talk about Cy Young. I know, it's weird. People lied all the time when there was no Internet or cameras. Cy Young's. Cy Young's record is the most made up stat in sports. 525 career wins, which means he pitched for 25 years and won at least 25 games every year with 60 strikeouts nowadays.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Yeah.
Brady
And you guys, guys who can't go four or five innings. Yeah. Come on.
John
And they didn't have closers and middle relievers. They pitched the whole game.
Brady
John Campanero was an old comedian and he said that he goes really on the honor system at the end of a game. All right, sigh. How'd you do? How many. What'd you throw? I threw two games today. I won them both. And I struck out like 10 in the first game and 14 in the second one. All right, so I. Great work. Great work out there. Nobody was paying attention, so you could just lie. And then cameras showed up and it got harder to do. We still try, but it's really strange. Oh, this guy says. I've read about it. It's called the Phantom time paradox. I wrote to you about it before and you ignored it. Yep. I wasn't interested when you wrote to.
Brett
Me about it worded like that.
Brady
Yeah. It wasn't 1:30 in the morning after, you know, a band rehearsal. And I fell asleep on the drive home. I was tired and I missed my exit on the freeway and woke up at Coulter and Camel. It did. It was not good. Thank God. There was nobody out on the freeway. But I. I remember the last thing I saw Was the Bethany home half mile.
Brett
You woke up. It was a year later.
Brady
Yeah, I woke up and there was 936. And we're back in them.
Brett
Yeah.
Brady
The phantom time paradox. Thank you. T Van, I'm sorry I ignored you earlier. It is very interesting, but I had no idea. It says, how is Brett not laughing hysterically? That the entire show so far it's been about the Dark Ages. Oh, that's enough. I'm sure your emails are.
John
Oh, yeah, I kidding me.
Brady
You people.
Brett
It's like we're in them now.
Brady
You people. 6am Code word for taking it in the app is finance. Finance is your first word for 6am today. And you get all that going, try to win yourself a thousand bucks. It's a pretty good deal. A thousand bucks is never bad, you know, and then that's the reason the Dark Ages that this guy's right. That I did. I don't want to. T Van, when did you write me about the phantom time paradox? Because it is when you start reading about it. And then the worst thing about those stories, there's another little blue clickable line in the middle of it. You nail that. Now you're deeper into it. Then you start reading about the guys who are really studying this. And it is fascinating and seemingly probably feasible. Beyond that, they just lost everything. Like one makes more sense than the other. The one we accept is, well, they just stopped talking about stuff and the one that is real is. Or they just skipped ahead and nothing. You know, there was no records to keep because it went from Saturday 6:35 to Monday 9:33. And then they were just laughing their asses off, effing with the peasants. It's very neat. I like the idea of this. I've always been fascinated by that because the Bible is kind of shaky as far as details, but you go back and look at Rome's history, you know, they had tons of stuff about like 5, 600 years before the birth of Jesus that they kept meticulous records. Tons of them.
Brett
I get all those stories, you know, through the algorithm on the news thing of discoveries. Four cities that they didn't believe just, you know, existed that lidar talked about.
Brady
Have been discovered or have.
Brett
And then you go in there.
Brady
Yeah. Or have they. Because they do a lot of lidar things and find out it's just a city that they want to be the thing or a city.
Brett
They had no idea.
Brady
Look, if they can get again, it's the same exact thing those dark Ages guys were doing. They find something and they're like, okay, who's in on it? With me telling everybody we just found Babylon. It's like, I'm in. Like, we. Even if we didn't, this is what we're gonna. We're gonna lie, and we're gonna make.
Brett
This for right now.
Brady
Yeah, sure.
John
Just shut him up. Agree with him.
Brady
Go with it. Yeah. You found Babylon. It's like, we're gonna make a ton of money writing books about this. It's great. This is. John, it's way too early for this crap. You're hurting my head. We already got to deal with the Brady Report and say, that's true. I do have. It is punching over the head. Me. It's making it work. But it's Friday. We should be working a little harder in the morning. Our brain should be, you know, flying. I've only got, like, two hours under my belt after 30 hours up, two hours sleeping. So there's a possibility that some of this is just brain bubbles on my head that are bouncing around. But look, that is a fascinating thought. You can start talking to other people, you know, at your work and annoy them with it, but it is pretty great. And then you got, you know, all the stories that come up in the Halloween of the. You know, the haunts and. The haunts and spooks of the season. Come on.
Brett
What, man?
John
I kept quiet during the Dark Ages, all right?
Brady
The haunts and freak shows. Okay. There you go. I saw a thing last night also. One of the things that led me to this was a lady who's writing books about haunted dolls, and she's got one called Knock Knock Knock. What was it? Knock Knock Harry. And she gets the chills every time she goes by him. And then Knock Knock Harry, she. She got herself a. Basically a Ghostbusters machine. That paranormal. A paranormal torch or something.
Brett
Picks up the vibe.
Brady
And that's the. That's the one thing that I'm like, put this on tape. Or otherwise, you're just the CW frog that sings it. Hello, my baby hello, my honey, hello. And then when people are looking, like, if you can't make Knock Knock Harry say anything to people other than you, then what does it matter? So she's studying haunted dolls, and she's like. And I just didn't realize what was about to happen. So the Knock Knock Harry, she gets the paranormal. It's a spirit box. Like the name of the van. It's called the spirit box. Oh, yeah, yeah. And you know what that is? Zach Baggins. Zack Baggins. Loves that.
John
Probably bought it off his website, right?
Brady
That fraud goes around and does that. So she puts it next to the Knock Knock Harry, and she tells the story that she's like, I got through it. And then it started to give off paranormal vibes and activities. And I said, I need to know what your name is. I need to know who you are, confirm that you're there. And the doll goes, I'm Knock Knock Harry.
Brett
Hi.
Brady
I'm like, well, that seems innocuous and pretty nice. And then she's like. And he always made me uneasy. And then a few weeks later, I put the spirit box by him, and he just called me a bitch. I hope that's true.
John
I think dumb was before the bitch part. But, you know.
Brady
Well, here's the thing that Knock Knock Har. He should have said, you need help. You're sick. You've got schizophrenia. Well, we give in Halloween, we start taking these lunatics and we put them on news stories like they're not insane. And they're sitting there with their doll going, this thing talks. He calls me names. In fact, he calls me a bitch. It's like, your doll called you a bitch. And you just like, what is it, less than a pound? Finish him. This is easy. Oh, you can't cause this. Oh, no, you can't. Because you want to write a book about haunted dolls in nut bag.
John
You've seen Chucky. Come on now.
Brady
Right. I have seen Chucky. And it was funny because, you know, if you. If. Look, you're gonna win all the awards if you take Knock Knock Harry to Sweden and go, hey, Nobel people, I got some science up your ass right here. Watch this. And then put the doll down and turn your spirit box on. Who's the genius who invented the spirit box? Google search that. Edison. Because he saw a hole in a market that everybody was rolling their eyes at. And he built these morons a toy, and they walk around with it. It's got credibility now as a thing. They sell these for thousands of dollars. A spirit box. And this lady's buying, I'm gonna get me a spirit box. Anybody who says they gotta order it, you gotta buy a spirit box. There is a guy who wakes up every morning laughing hysterically that his entire life, his career, he basically sold the ultimate pet rock to dumb people. Spirit boxes. He's laughing all the way, you know.
John
Going to cash the checks.
Brady
Giant check from giant checks from morons. And there is an abundance of morons. And he's like, what? What kind? What can I do? That's a quick buck that I Can fleece morons like in the olden days and not get in trouble for it. Like, they do it to themselves. He built spirit boxes.
John
Frank Sumption.
Brady
That guy invented the spirit box.
John
Now chances are you buy them on Amazon.
Brady
Oh, how much are they? 2002. Frank Sumption. My guess is Frank Sumption is also nuts. Instead of what I wish he was, which was like, me, and just, hey, look, guys, this thing talks to. And so in 2002, Frank Sumption invents the spirit box and doesn't, like, win an award or anything because there's nothing real about it. It's basically a Home Depot bucket with a couple LED lights. You go over to, you know, Home Depot, you grab a couple lights, you glue them on the side, maybe a propane tank to make it hiss, and then that's it.
John
The moonshine business wasn't doing too good.
Brady
So he decided to switch on over moonshiner.
Brett
Oh, that is quick money.
Brady
And he talk to ghosts in his spirit box.
John
Died of a heart attack.
Brady
Oh. Recently.
John
2014.
Brady
Oh, okay. So he only got 12 years with his invention to enjoy the rubes sucking it up. I mean, that is an unbelievable amount of dumb buying up us if you have a spirit box in your house. We were teasing Brady about his sound bowls. If you've got one of those, don't stick around for the party that's coming your way. It just get out of there.
John
Apparently uses the AM radio band. Well, they're finally using it for something.
Brady
Yeah. No one's listening. Wait, ghosts only travel through am. That's what's.
Brett
Yep.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Holmberg's morning sickness.
Brady
So last Saturday, when my friends and I were gonna go up in our jeeps to Sedona, I have a CB in my jeep for talking to each other while we're off roading. Right? Yeah. And so my buddy Anthony went out and bought these 600 radios. I'm gonna call them spirit boxes.
John
There we go.
Brady
And. And there's some. And the. We couldn't communicate because the citizens band CB only does, like, 20 megahertz, and his was, like, bottomed out at 125, so we couldn't do it. But you're telling me ghosts understand the hurts that they have to travel in, and they can't. They can't bust out into the FM band or the citizens band or ham. They have to be on AM radio.
John
Nobody else is using it.
Brady
That's right, because radio executives have ruined that as well. Leave it for the ghosts. Oh, Bob's. We got a lot of them. And Maybe that's what people think they'll turn on like in their car. And like I hit this button and there are these really bad voices talking about sports. That's a ghost. There's no way that any station in the world would allow that kind of poor quality to be their broadcast. And there it is. You listen to Our Sports Station 1060, it sounds more like ghosts coming through your speaker than it does actual broadcasting. That's the spirit box, Brett. Apparently. Oh yeah, that's. I'm convinced. What are the beats per minute on this ghost? Less than this one. This is a nine inch Nail saw.
Spirit Box Demonstrator
Can anyone speak to me?
Brady
Yeah, he's basically picking up truckers. That's the spirit box. It's a Mr. Microphone. $1,000.
John
Hey babe, be back to pick you up later.
Brett
No, these are $94.
Brady
These are Mr. Microphones. This is the cheap version. How come you have to dress like Elmer Fudd to believe in the spirit box? That's two guys in a row.
Brett
You can go down to 20. The 26.99 spirit box has got to be.
Brady
Yeah, and then you just get a pre recorded Jewish ghosts to come praise your purchase. That's a good idea. You could have wasted all that money on an expensive spirit box, but you got this one. God. Very nice.
John
100 bucks. You can get in. Well, you can get. You can go cheap too.
Brady
So you're telling me that to speak to the great beyond on this Halloween. It's a hundred dollars.
John
Hey, nobody writes for free.
Brady
I mean, DVDs were like a thousand fifty nine one.
John
Don't cheap out if you're doing it.
Brady
Come on now. Come on. Yeah, that's not. That might as well be a Dowling rod.
John
That's the Harbor Freight version.
Brett
But look at. That's a 4.5 rated 12.99. You're picking up voices.
Brady
Yeah, well, because most people who believe in ghosts don't have enough money to be like citizens in the United States that are normal for 12.50. That is ridiculous. Yes, spirit boxes. But this lady's wandering around with her Knock Knock Harry doll and it's starting to call her names. And then she's gonna write a book about haunted dolls. And I want to know who she's. How do you find these? Be like, do you know anybody with a haunted doll?
Brett
Top rated spirit box.
Brady
Oh, I've got that. I have a haunted doll that calls me a bitch too. Like you're. Go to a therapist immediately. You're insane. Spirit box. The band spirit box.
John
Yeah, I Don't like them either.
Brady
I'm not a fan of that either. They're. They're dime store. Some people love spirit box. Yeah, but they're called women. And I don't understand the. I'm not a big spirit box guy. But yeah, I don't. It's Halloween, so it'd be a good gift for somebody for Halloween as a joke. But if they started to take it seriously, it's actually pretty good. Like kind of. Let's see if my girlfriend or wife has gone nuts and you buy them a spirit box and they start playing with it and they pick up some, you know, some truckers on the i10 kind of faintly they're trying to communicate. No, that was. That was mama bear and she just trying to find out where the next gas and puke is.
John
Just bring a spirit box at a bar if you get some broad. Oh, my God. Easy kill.
Brady
I was haunted.
John
Easy kill.
Brady
I was haunted once. Oh, yeah. I've got a spirit box. You want to see my box? Yeah. Show me yours. Did you hear that? Is there anyone here that wants to talk to me? He's in the cemetery. Why do they have to wear fishing vests for ghosts?
John
His drip is not good.
Brett
Catch a spirit, you can put it in the pocket.
Brady
This is the least cool brother I've ever seen in my life.
John
Yeah, no kidding. Oh, here's one.
Brady
Why would ghosts hang around the cemetery? Trent Reznor evidently wants to talk to me.
John
Oh, it said no.
Brady
We are watching. What's your name? Knock knock. Harry. Bitch. Anyone here that likes to communicate with us? You gotta remember that most of the people in a cemetery are old, so get off. My lawn is probably what they. That's Nine Inch Nails. They're picking up AM stations. Oh, this guy. Why would any think that? Why would they hang out in cemeteries? They have access to all of it.
Spirit Box Demonstrator
To you and show you how to do it. So the first thing you're gonna need is some soundproof headphones.
Brady
Then you're gonna use I hear you.
Spirit Box Demonstrator
Which can be found on our Amazon link. Then you turn it on and hold down, start sweeping and it'll sound like this. Whenever you hear a word coming from the spirit box, you just say it out loud while your friend outside the spirit box ask questions and then see if you can get some answers. Make sure to tag us if you try it out. We get a ton of questions on what this method is, so we're going.
Brady
To explain it to you. They don't know it yet.
John
You wouldn't even Want to, but they're.
Brady
Going to have to blow their way through life because.
Spirit Box Demonstrator
Are you here with us right now?
Brett
That's a correct.
Brady
Okay.
Spirit Box Demonstrator
Are you here with us right now?
Brady
The dude, even in the car.
Brett
Is that correct?
Brady
No, he didn't. He said car wreck. He said car wreck. Look up. Look up. Yeah. Oh, God. They've got a big one here. This is a full on. They've got like a speaker system. There's nothing. Have you picked up a word? Stop visiting our graves, it says. It's dead. Like you didn't know. Is there anyone here with me?
Brett
That is dark.
Brady
Stop visiting our graves. Oh, my God.
John
Hey, that thing don't work. You pull it off my headstone.
Brady
What kind of. What kind of dumb dip ghost actually answers the spirit box to tell you to leave him alone?
Brett
You say correct or erect.
Brady
All you had to do as a ghost. Just go. Just ignore them. Don't talk to them through their magic boxes. They'll keep coming back if you talk. Ghosts have to know better and pull out a spirit box, listen to what they have to say. You might end up that one person I'd want to be friends with. Your name. I would love to know your name. What are you, Chips? Enough. The one who volunteered to answer some of my questions. What is your name? I'm all here to listen, my friend. Ronnie. I encourage you. You're a dickhead. Ghosts are evidently tired of you trying to talk to them. This guy's ridiculous.
Mike King
What is?
Brady
All right, stop asking what their names are. You're picking up trucker signals.
Brett
Never knew the spirit box existed.
Brady
Well, there it is. And it's only a hundred bucks. And for morons. And there's a guy right now just sitting there going, my wife's got a spirit box. I bet she does. And I bet it's real easy to get in there. And all you have to do is kind of sort of be far enough. At night time, our 10:60am station drops down to what, like 5 watts?
John
If that.
Brady
Yeah, and occasionally you'll put it up. Women suffer. The ghost love women suffer.
John
There's a 14 minute video, but Kurt Cobain said, sorry. Apparently, I don't know.
Brett
It's.
John
It's an 11 minute video. It's.
Brady
I don't know, what, 11 minutes of the spirit box talking with Kurt Cobain.
Cody
And 14, you were accepted along with the whole Nirvana band into the rock and roll.
Brady
He's just letting him know. Oh, that's great. Okay, here with us, Kurt. Oh, I buy it. I buy this. That's Soundgarden. That's Chris Cornell.
Cody
Hey, guys. Welcome back to the channel. It's me, Cody, here. Today we're going to attempt to reach out to the spirit of Kurt Cobain.
Brady
And they got him. What are the odds? With the billions of people who have.
Cody
Died back in the 90s, how come.
John
You didn't get Lane Staley instead?
Brady
Yeah. If you can get guests like this, what a booking agent you've got.
Cody
But before we get.
Brady
We gotta get Toledo. One of these guests us got guys online booking, dead bodies. We can't get Henry Winkler and his birthday.
Mike King
Sure.
Cody
Who or what I'm connecting with due to the.
Brady
Come on, man. Come on. Be proactive. You know, Kurt. Kurt Cobain's available for interviews, by the way. You know, big a deal that would have been for us 90 bucks. I know we can't get our phones to work, but maybe a spirit box would be. A spirit box would actually be more technologically sound than our phones. That looks like a sound design radio. It is in, like, 1982. It's a speaker that was in houses that everybody thought it was cool to have an intercom in, like, 1978.
Brett
It's a cool setup.
Brady
Is it? Yeah, it's the in. It's the in wall intercom. It's the in wall intercom. They just pulled it out.
John
The model homes and stuff had.
Brady
They put plaster around it. And poor Kurt's talking. He's. He's just dead. Yeah, well, that's the new story.
Cody
Did in the greatest 100 songwriters.
Brady
This guy's breaking out his post. His posthumous resume. Yeah.
Cody
Here on Earth.
Brady
There'S no guitar where he went.
Cody
Guitar. Do you still.
Brady
That's a bold claim, too. That's the cleanest spirit box. Oh, super clean. There's no static. It's the Steely Dan of spirit boxes. No static at all.
Cody
Guitar spirits.
Brady
What a terrible group of questions. But you've got Kurt Cobain on the horn.
John
Hey, couldn't come up with anything else?
Cody
People.
Brady
You play your guitar?
Cody
Still play guitar? Is there a reason?
Brett
Anything you want me to tell Francis Bean?
Brady
Yeah, hold on a second. I'm gonna go get your daughter. Will you wait? There's no guitar where I live. Okay. Maybe you recognize this?
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Yeah.
Brady
He kills himself again. Great. Now I need double spirit box.
Cody
I'd really like to know what a quiet zone is. I think it could answer some of the questions.
Brady
How many views does this have after us?
John
206,000.
Brady
206,000 people, including us.
Brett
Now.
John
I know.
Brady
Well, there's your Halloween Treat for the morning, everybody. Spirit boxes. Kurt stuck around for that interview.
Brett
You know, he sounds pretty good.
Brady
I. I was conversational. I was relatively new in radio right after he died, and I had spoken to a few people that dealt with Kurt Cobain in interviews. And he was difficult, but when he, you know, now he seems to have all the time in the world, really. And he gave this guy a good hour long interview. That's awesome.
Brett
I think there's a little regret. It sounds like, yeah, same stuff.
Brady
Well, sure, yeah. He'd like to have stuck.
Brett
The world's a better place.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Morning sickness. 98 KUPD. Holmberg's Morning Sickness.
Brady
You know, maybe it's when you get Kurt Cobain on the spirit box. I wonder if they have that, you know, the PR guy that comes on and goes, one more question.
Brett
We've got other spirit interviews.
Brady
55 spirit boxes across the country to get to her. You've only had five minutes with them. You've gone over.
Brett
It would be great if the spirit cut it off.
Brady
Yeah, yeah. Oh, we lost him now. We pushed it to the limits, boys. Anyway, the late Kurt Cobain on our spirit box. Even. Even Native Americans are emailing me going, spirit box. This is ridiculous. Sounds like pirate air or pirate radio. Air checks from the end of Pump up the volume. It's Halloween, Ryan. That's what we're playing. Spirit box. 100 bucks a pop and you could possibly have a haunted doll in your house. You don't even know it. You need a spirit box to find out. We are surrounded by real dumb people who are dying for that. Literally, for that to be real. And if you. I. Please, if you've got a spirit box, just communicate with me. Internet, you choose the medium. If you have a spirit box, why bother with the email or the phone? You know, get inside me.
Brett
Might be something you want to try. 1:30 at night, you know, when you're.
Brady
Not sleeping, it's like Ouija boards. When I was a little kid, my sister had one and she had a slumber party. That was the one where I was making out with that pillow and that girl. Journey. The love and touch and squeeze. And when I talked to you about that a long time ago, but they broke out the Ouija board and all of them started crying. And I was probably six and I was a little scared at first, like, what do we got going on here? And one of the girls was rational and just said, somebody's moving it. Like, really? Yeah, somebody's moving the stupid thing. And even the girl, and she might have been 10, pointed down to the corner of the board and she said, parker Brothers is not gonna sell this if it's haunted. And she was religious. She goes, this is against. She wouldn't play because it was against God. It was black magic, and she wouldn't touch it. But that's when I was, you know, a six. A six year old and a nine year old. Six, seven were sitting there talking about how stupid all the other people in the room might be. I was unsure. I was six. I didn't have any experience in life. Like, is this something we do? Is this a thing? They turn six and you can start talking to the dead. And they're like, no. But that little girl, that wise little girl, I think her name was Rachel. No, that wasn't Rachel. Rachel was the tall one I thought was cute. She looked like a. A horse. I don't remember. Anyway, she was the one who goes, they wouldn't. She points to the corner of the thing. They wouldn't sell black magic. I'm like, this chick makes a lot of sense. I'm gonna make out with my pillow tonight and think of you. What the hell? She hated everything about the, you know, future. And she's just like, God. That was it. I don't know why she was at her slumber. Mine wasn't mine. I just hung around.
John
This guy got Freddie Mercury on the horn too.
Brady
He did?
John
He did?
Brady
Yeah. Freddie. This dude booked Freddie Mercury.
John
What is Toledo doing in there?
Brett
The Cobain guy.
John
Cobain.
Brady
He's got Mercury, Mercury and Cobain. And we've got Hans Kim today. And I have. No offense to Hans Kim, but come on. I'm bumping Hans Kim for Freddie Mercury if he comes through in the box.
Brett
That's what you said.
Brady
Oh, he's come to life through the spear. That is clear.
Brett
See? Rub the crystals too.
Brady
Do you still have an accent?
Brett
Wow.
Brady
You'd think. You'd think you'd have more to do up there in heaven than come back and talk through one of Those relatively unclearly.
John
467,000 views to see Freddy.
Brady
Yeah, he's as smart as the guy who invented the spirit box by doing interviews of them. Skepticism. It's a lost art.
John
I can never be 100% sure who or what is coming through.
Brady
I always think of that as the same as when people tell me about reincarnation. Like, this dude got Kurt Cobain and Freddie Mercury coming through his magic Mr. Microphone. That's a pretty good get.
Brett
I'm sorry. It was not Freddie Mercury. It was the actual queen yeah, it was Queen.
Brady
Queen of the dark ages. The people talk about resurrections and. Or, you know, when they've been. What do they call it, the thing that they come back as another person? I forgot. I just said it, and I can't even remember it. You know, Indians believe it. You come back, you've been reincarnated. Reincarnated.
John
Yeah.
Brady
And they always are. Someone no one's ever going to say. You know, 100 years from now, my past life, I was Brady Bogan. It's not going to be a thing.
Brett
Animals sometimes, right?
Brady
Yeah, sometimes they say that, but most of the time they were like, you know, and Queen of Scots or like they were something huge.
Brett
Brett, you'd bum out if you came back as a rat.
Brady
Yeah.
John
Nope.
Brady
My sister had another wacky friend who was convinced she was Wilbur Wright.
Brett
I have an attorney brother. He convinced his Patton he was Patton.
Brady
Yeah, sure. Because you're that important that Patton would come back as your dumb ass doing nothing. Now, if you were Patton, what a waste your next life was. Why would you come back and be a whole lot less famous and good?
Brett
He said he went to a museum where they had a bunch of patent stuff like that.
Brady
In Palm Springs.
Brett
Yeah. And he reached under the desk. He knew there was a date underneath there that he had carved out when he was patent. How would I know that?
Brady
Yeah, you might have read it or something years earlier. Do you think you found the date? It might have been in the things. There's a date under the desk. You forgotten there. You're interested in Patton.
Brett
Would Patton be proud of you for illegally selling penny. Penny stocks?
Brady
Is that what the guy did?
Brett
Yeah.
Brady
So he was kind of a pioneer. Twice.
Brett
Yep.
Brady
Is he in jail?
Brett
He did sometimes.
Brady
Nice. Brady's buddy did time, you know, General Patton. He literally thought he was General Patton. That doesn't shock me because there are. People talked about it.
Brett
One particular, and this was after.
John
Is he still around?
Brady
Yeah, he's.
Brett
He's out.
John
I was gonna say we should get a spirit box and talk to him.
Brett
He's selling spirit boxes.
Mike King
Nice.
Brady
I've never once met anybody goes. Yeah, I believe in reincarnation. And I'm pretty sure I've been someone else. Oh, yeah? Who Were you in 1917? It was a guy named Larry Krupke. He. He was. He was a farmer, but he started getting interested in car t. I know. Did he invent anything? No, he. He ended up choking on soup. Ow. I know. That was me, though. I was Larry Krupke.
Brett
Because isn't the reincarnation part of your journey that eventually they get it.
Brady
All right.
Brett
Yeah. On the one life, finally.
Brady
Yeah.
Brett
You got perfect nirvana or whatever, and.
Brady
Then you're in the spirit box. Yep. I don't know, because I pretty sure Patton like, trying to do better than that in your next life. And this dude is in jail for penny stuff. He's taking the steps backwards.
Brett
That wasn't the finishing.
Brady
Yeah.
Brett
Life there.
Brady
No, no, no, no. That was. He had more work to do. He kind of set patents. The path that they were on before was really good. Yeah. It's weird.
Brett
Mine was wacky. I was Ed Gein for a while.
Brady
Yeah. Nobody ever comes back as that. I think I was Pol Pot. I'm almost positive of it. I have a lot of dreams about Pol Pot. And I went to his house and I knew that there was a secret compartment with some notes in there. And I. I knew what's on the notes. How would I know that if I wasn't pole pot? And then again, the dude in the corner, I was Larry Krupke. Oh, yeah. Larry Krupke. That's not interest. Nobody's interested in reincarnation if you're not famous.
Brett
I was a larvae. It was really quick. A native ate me.
Brady
That was a fly.
Brett
Two days into it.
Brady
Yeah. I broke out of my maggot shell and was stomped within seconds of the flight. I don't even remember what it was like, but I was a fly. Got that right. That's silly. Happy Halloween, everyone, with your crazy nonsense.
John
Everybody's sending me. Everybody's sending me ones. This one, apparently, is. This guy just messes with ghosts. They call him, like the Maryville kind of ghost hunter.
Brady
Oh, okay.
Dante
By myself.
Brady
What's up?
Dante
Come on, now.
Brett
Cuff.
Dante
Dante, you here?
Brady
Dante?
Dante
Where's Armando? You don't know. To me, you don't know anybody up here.
Brady
Ghetto ghost. Yeah.
Dante
Look at my hair standing up. Who's next to me?
Brady
That's white guy.
John
No, he's not. When you see it.
Brady
Oh, wait, he's not white. His arm is super white.
John
I think it's just the camp.
Dante
Beside him in this room.
Brady
That place is a dump.
John
Oh, yeah.
Brady
If you were a ghost, why would you go back to that, I don't know, dump?
Brett
There's no way that's the cleanest one I could find.
John
All the other ones, he starts.
Brady
What up, fool?
Brett
Come on.
Brady
Yeah, I like that guy. Finance is the word for 6am and put it in the promo code and get together. You can talk about all these Halloween things at work today. And A lot of places are having their Halloween work parties coming in as. Remember last year? Was it last year or the year before when Taylor came in here dressed as Scotty Scheffler? Eight months after the incident with Scotty Scheffler, nobody knew what he was doing. I think it was last year. I don't remember. He got oj.
Brett
He booked oj.
Brady
He got oj. This guy got oj. Was the victim. Was he the victim, we ask you. Yeah, that's. Oh, that's oj.
John
Of course.
Brady
There you go. OJ got it done. There's no question in my mind that that was O.J. simpson. There's no.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Oh, no. The spirit box.
Brady
No. Summoned him.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Hate for the world. I don't know why you guys are so. Jay. How you doing? It's yours truly, Brady. Happy Halloween.
Brett
You're extra spooky today.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Hey, Brady. I know. This time you asked.
Brady
I was.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Now you're gonna make Brett fall out of his chair. Hey, Brady, I went by your house the other day.
Brett
You did?
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
And now that I'm a giant haunt, I can't say the other thing.
John
Why not?
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Well, it's. It's not appropriate for. I went by a house and I saw, you know, all the decorations.
Brady
Feel like, really into Halloween.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
What would be scarier than me on your porch? I mean, skeletons can't hurt you. I can. I killed people who weren't skeletons yet. They're easy. I wouldn't have had to stab it. There'd have been no evidence. Brett, your dream come true.
John
Absolutely.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Anyway, I appreciate when you guys have me through the spirit box here on your show, and I just don't want to apologize that I did that interview.
Brady
With that other guy. I know.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
I got exclusivity with you, too.
Brady
It's take breaks.
John
Didn't Toledo try to book you before this one?
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
Yeah, you know, I never hear from him. I just kind of. I do. Came. You never know when OJ's gonna show up. Ask Nicole. All right. That's what I'm. I'm just saying. Happy Halloween. Watch out for the haunts and spooks.
Brady
Okay.
OJ Simpson (Spirit Box)
All right. There you go.
Brady
All right. Oj, you know it's closing the store. That's our spirit box.
John
Ours is more believable. Yeah.
Brady
If I could have one thing I've done on the radio, it's to convince everyone listening that ghosts aren't real. That would be my. If I left and they said one thing John did for humanity is convinced an entire group of people that ghosts, as we see them maybe there is something as we see them. They're not real as all the stories.
Brett
Most of the ones you hear about. I'm with you on they're not real.
Brady
Yeah, there might be something. We haven't figured it out yet. I'm buying one. I'm definitely going to have one of those things. We got to buy a spirit box and then we'll just keep it on during the show and then when, you know, Marie Antoinette wants to pop in. Why wouldn't she on the am? Sorry, you have to go Steely Dan on that one. If you don't get to fm, we're not doing it. Let's get a wake up song. 5859800 a good one for this glorious Halloween 2025 and we'll scream it together. It's 98 KUPD Wake Up. It's not weird. It's pretty cool actually. No membership fee. I have heard enough of.
Episode Theme:
A Halloween morning episode that dives into history’s mysteries, modern paranormal scams, and the business of haunted stories — all with sarcastic banter and quick-witted ridicule. John Holmberg and his crew explore the “phantom time” theory about the Dark Ages, lampoon paranormal technology like the Spirit Box, and eviscerate ghost-chasing culture, all while tying it back to Halloween lore.
Overall:
A playful Halloween episode using history, pop culture, and paranormal “science” as comic fodder to lampoon human gullibility, with lively back-and-forth banter and plenty of quotable cynicism perfect for the holiday. If you missed the show, you missed an epic roast of historical revisionism and ghost-hunting grifts — but you didn’t miss any real spirit contact… unless you count OJ Simpson.