11-05-25 - Looks Like We Have Voted For A Return Of The Looney Bin Which We Support - John Remembers The Kon Tiki Motel When He First Moved To PHX - Realizing That Special Ed Is The Looney Bin Of School And How We Rebrand The Services It Provides Now

Summary

Holmberg’s Morning Sickness — Podcast Summary (11-05-25)

Episode: “Looks Like We Have Voted For A Return Of The Looney Bin Which We Support — John Remembers The Kon Tiki Motel When He First Moved To PHX — Realizing That Special Ed Is The Looney Bin Of School And How We Rebrand The Services It Provides Now”

Date: November 5, 2025
Host(s): John Holmberg with Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely

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Overview

In this episode, the Morning Sickness crew dives into Arizona’s recent vote to fund a new mental health facility—dubbed nostalgically (and controversially) a “looney bin.” John Holmberg recounts his creeptastic childhood introduction to Phoenix at the infamous Kon Tiki motel, shares memories of growing up near the city's actual loony bin, and explores the evolution (and rebranding) of "special ed" in schools. The hosts riff irreverently on how society describes, diagnoses, and deals with the “nutty” elements in both education and mental health.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Return of the ‘Looney Bin’ and Arizona’s Vote

• Political Correctness vs. Candid Marketing
  • John discusses the recent election to fund a new mental health facility. He contends that calling it a “behavioral health center” is less effective than marketing it honestly.
    • “If you started to call it a nut house, you'd have won. People like me would have taken time to go vote for the 'nuthouse bill.'”(05:14)
• Why the Vote Squeaked By
  • Surprised at the vote’s slim margin (50–49), John speculates the only folks voting against it are those with “looney” relatives.
    • “Who's voting against the loony bin? Loonies. They don’t want a bin.” (06:12)
• Personal Reflection on Institutionalization
  • Recalling the old loony bin at 24th & Van Buren (later turned into a prison), John is both bemused and nostalgic about its presence in his youth.
    • “When I first moved here, we stayed at the Kon Tiki…right across the street was the loony bin. And every day, I would watch them walk the yard.” (06:39)

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2. John’s Childhood at the Kon Tiki Motel

• Kon Tiki’s Downfall: From Glam to Grime
  • John shares humorous and harrowing tales of his family’s move to Phoenix in the early 1980s, staying at the Kon Tiki.
    • “It was supposed to be this Pacific Island getaway…in the ’80s, it was where the hookers went.” (07:59)
    • “Our first two weeks living in Phoenix, staying at the Kon Tiki…prostitutes were in the room next to us. We weren’t allowed in the pool.” (09:10)
• The Vividness of Kid Memory
  • Details about room “218,” his mother’s careful warnings, and being surrounded by odd characters reinforce how unsettling and formative the experience was.
    • “If you leave this room and anyone says you are in 218, it was drilled into my head.” (08:36)
• Observation of the Looney Bin
  • For distraction, John’s mom encouraged him to “stare out the window at the Looney Tunes who were standing in the yard.” (13:34)
• Urban Decay Anecdotes
  • Descriptions of the “smell of cigarettes and hooker vagina” and the relics of tiki-themed glamour underscore the whole arc from kitsch to sketch.
    • “The wrecking ball was the fourth hardest thing to hit one of those rooms!” (10:00)

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3. Rebranding and Reality of 'Special Ed' in Schools

• Old vs. New Terminology
  • Comparing “special ed” to the old “loony bin," John argues that society simply relabels these programs to sound nicer.
    • “Special ed was the loony bin at school. That’s exactly what it was. It wasn’t to try to rehabilitate the kids who were nuts. It was to keep an eye on them together, separate them from the 'norms,' and keep them away from us.” (19:16)
• Memorable School Incidents
  • The guys swap stories about classmates (notably “Glenn” and “Wiltberger”) who scammed or fell into the special ed system—some intentionally, some not.
    • “Andy Wiltberger used it as an easier way to get out through high school…he scammed the system.” (20:08)
• Program Name Evolution
  • Brady mentions his daughter’s school calls it “gear”—short for “Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness”—which leads to riffs about how euphemisms can’t conceal who’s in the “dummy class.”
    • “They have watered down the word exceptional to mean you’re kind of dumb. He’s exceptional. Well, no, it’s the opposite of that, actually.” (26:27)
    • “Everybody knew. I can still mentally picture the room that they went into in the halls…That’s the dummy room.” (28:57)

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4. Education, Costs, and “Dummy Classes”

• Paying for Academic Support
  • Brady describes paying $285/month for extra help with math for his daughter, leading to a round of good-natured ribbing about whether it was worth the investment.
    • “I ended up getting [math] to myself, man. All the dude did was sell me weed, man. $285 a month. You better get a bag of weed with that.” (33:43)
• Reality Behind the Labels
  • The hosts agree that, regardless of the program name or T-shirts, everyone still knows who’s in the remedial classes.
    • “If you start calling dummy classes the exceptional classes, they don’t recognize they’re being cast out. Call it what it is. Moron Reading Room. The retarded math class.” (32:10)
• Classroom Nicknames and Realities
  • Recollections of kids nicknamed “Tigger,” “Jimmy,” or “Ricochet” illustrate how teachers and students responded to outliers (and how those personalities fared as adults).

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5. Notable Riffs, Humor, and Social Critique

• On Kissing Your Clone
  • The show opens with a tongue-in-cheek debate about whether kissing or being intimate with your own clone is “gay.”
    • “Kissing yourself’s nothing…You give yourself a tug, right? That’s not gay.” (03:00)
    • “If it was an exact replica of you, it’s the same thing as looking in the mirror while you tug. Weird. But I’d do it.” (04:10)
• On Social Programs and Government Assistance
  • John gets riled up about people gaming systems, whether in school or SNAP (food stamp) benefits. He reacts pointedly (and irreverently) to media coverage:
    • “She says…’We’re starving.’ Like, you’re clearly not starving. You can’t be 200 pounds overweight and need government assistance for food.” (47:14)
    • “[SNAP] is designed to be like a trampoline. But our people have turned them into a hammock.” (47:24)
• On Human “Zoomies"
  • Memories of kids with uncontainable energy ("the human zoomies") get mined for laughs and a kind of rueful nostalgia about how such behavior is (or was) handled.
    • “He was a person with zoomies. There was a time…I’m pretty sure it was Jimmy Rich. Jimmy would get up and just run around the classroom—Jimmy couldn’t sit down still. He couldn’t do it.” (37:13)
    • “After a couple of bites, Jimmy got muzzled and stuffed into the gear, exceptional room. Jimmy’s exceptional. Uh huh.” (39:03)

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On Honest Advertising for Mental Health
  “If it was 409, the nuthouse bill, I'd have probably taken time to go get it. But frankly, do we need it?” —John (05:14)

• On School Segregation by Ability
  “Special ed was the loony bin at school. That's exactly what special ed was. It wasn't to try to rehabilitate the kids who were nuts. It was to try to keep them in a room, keep an eye on them together, separate them from the norms.” —John (19:16)

• On Euphemistic Labeling
  “They have watered down the word exceptional to mean you're kind of dumb. He's exceptional. Well, no, it's the opposite of that, actually.” —John (26:27)

• On the Realities of Educational Tracking
  “Everybody knew. I can still mentally picture the room that they went into…the dummy room. And if you ever went in…people knew.” —John (28:57)

• On Life Skills from Remedial Classes
  “You're never going to need [algebra]. You learned everything you needed in math up until, like, ninth grade. Then it got stupid.” —John (29:43)

• On Social Program Abuse
  “Our people have turned [SNAP] into a hammock, a nice hammock. You lay down and you stay and you get comfy.” —John (47:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:14–06:22] — Discussion on the “Loony Bin” vote and the importance of candid naming.
• [07:59–12:17] — John’s Kon Tiki Motel stories: family’s rough start in Phoenix.
• [19:16–23:10] — Special Ed as school’s “loony bin”; schoolyard tales.
• [26:27–29:08] — “Gear” program; the futility of rebranding remedial education.
• [32:10–33:55] — Dummy classes, honesty about aptitude, and the futility of labels.
• [37:13–39:03] — Human “zoomies” and the students who embodied them.
• [47:14–47:24] — Riff on social programs as trampolines-turned-hammocks.

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Tone & Takeaway

• The episode blends gallows humor, unfiltered language, and caustic nostalgia. The hosts revel in challenging politeness and “correct” phrasing, advocating for frankness when discussing society’s outliers.
• The overall spirit: It’s more honest (and occasionally more helpful) to call things what they are—whether it’s a loony bin, the dummy room, or a failed social safety net. The rebrand doesn’t erase reality.
• For listeners, the episode offers a window into a certain Southwestern dark humor, generational school memories, and pointed social critique sprinkled with self-deprecation.

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For those who haven't listened:
Expect an irreverent, anecdote-rich roundtable on mental health, education, and the absurdity of euphemistic language—anchored in the hosts’ own (frequently uncomfortable) life experiences.

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[B]

He just said and it sounded like just one hand.

[C]

Well, you need two hands. You're gonna make two hands.

[B]

I taught him with my hands.

[C]

Yeah, he said I used my hand.

[B]

Maybe splitting the fingers. I don't know.

[C]

No, I don't think he's licking her down there. What are you doing that? No, he said kissing you just kind of like work. Make out with the palm in your Hand.

[B]

Maybe he's putting his fingers in the mouth.

[C]

Ew. God, I hope that didn't happen. And how are you kissing? This is the tongue, Jim. And you're pretending there's three fingers is a tongue. You're choking him. I don't know. I'm gonna have to get some video of that. Kirk, you sound like a freak. This one says, john, I'm with you on the cloning. We will be cloning humans to harvest our own organs in case diseases show up. That is a fact. And Tom Brady is going to be ahead of. Tom Brady has actively said in the past that he would like to change the way people live to not age. That was his big pitch with this dude. He's got TB12 with it is an anti aging formula of medicines, powders, supplements. And he wasn't allowed in the Patriots locker room because the dude was freaking people out with his super anti aging can live to be 150. Tom Brady wants to live a long, long, long time and sully our earth with his presence. You think he doesn't have a harvest organ? Tom Brady at the house. He does. He just admitted it. And everybody's like, oh, he cloned his dog. It's more than that. We talked about this. Well, I'll bring that up later. Yeah. Oh, God. People are talking about using your hands. No, John, he used his hand to jerk his friend off while he taught him to kiss. That makes the most sense. I don't know how you. I don't know how you teach a guy to. And plus, if your friends, like, teach me to kiss. Kirk, that's gay. Kissing yourself's nothing. Nothing. It's like you. I mean, you give yourself a tug, right? That's not gay.

[A]

No.

[C]

If it was an exact replica of you, it's the same thing as looking in the mirror while you tug. Weird. But I'd do it. I would love to know how I feel. I might call Tom Brady and see if I can get in on this God playing eugenics system he's got going down at his house in Florida. And yesterday was election day. I know. I. I know. Who knew? I did not vote. I will admit that freely and openly. I did not go out and try to figure out what to do with that. Had I voted, I would have voted for the loony bin. Nobody's calling it that. Brady. Brady reminded me this morning. I was like, I forgot what 4, 9 was. He goes, it's to build a health center. Oh, yeah, the loony bin. If you read into it, it's a mental. They call it something else. They don't call loony bins anymore. And if they did, it would have passed. They need better marketing. Had you said trying to build us a new loony bin. We don't have one in town anymore. The 1 on 24th in Van Buren turned into a prison for people that are mentally. Now it's a loony bin. And if you just. Same thing it is, but they call it something different out of political correct now and just say, we're building a loony bin. And that house. I mean, the nuthouse.

[B]

Psychiatric.

[C]

Yeah, they call it. They got all sorts of special behavioral health hospital. Looney bin. It's a nuthouse. And if you started to call it a nut house, you'd have won. You've gotten people out to vote. People like me. If it was 409, the nuthouse bill, I'd have probably taken time to go get it. But frankly, do we need it? Do we not need it? I don't know. It's $900 million. I don't know. I can live without having voted for that. I honestly, I completely forgot. I had my head in the sand for most of it. But I did read about it a while ago and like, man, they're building a loony bin, but they don't call it that. They're afraid of it. So I don't want to build a loony bin that they're afraid to call a loony bin because then nothing good will happen in there. It'll all be bogged down by political correctness and paperwork. You call nuts nuts. And I start voting for that right there. But I don't know. Did it pass? I don't even know. Are we getting a looney bin or not?

[B]

It. Nobody. It was.

[C]

Oh, it's dead 50. It's 50 to 49. They gotta. By one point. It did pass. Oh, it's. It's winning by one. Till later. Did you vote for. Against the loony bin? He voted for the loony bin. See who's voting against the loony bin? You know who? Loonies. They don't want to bin. They want to stay in their houses and stuff. Loonies absolutely must vote in droves on these special elections to keep their bins from being built. But I think building one is important. When I first moved here, we stayed at the kon Tiki on 24th street in Van Buren in 1983. And right across the street was the loony bin. And that's what it was called back then. It was the loony bin. It wasn't a mental health institution. It was the nut house. And every day, I would look out the window of the Kon Tiki while we look for a house to live in. And I would watch them walk the yard. And I asked my mom. I'm like. Because my mom told me it was a hospital for people who weren't mentally well. She was trying to be nice and not scare me because had she told me, oh, it's an insane asylum, I'd have been freaked out because they had that barbed wire across the top of the fence. The fences were angled in. And I'm like, why are they so afraid of these guys in there? And then you would see it. And from our car, you could look right across this, right across 24th street into this, and they'd lean on the fence. They don't allow them to do that anymore either. They're not allowed to go out by the road. But they just walked that yard back in the 80s in their white suits, and it was Cuckoo's Nest. It was some crazy going on over there. Everybody was gray. It was scary. When you're. I was 9 or 10. It was horrifying to walk by that thing. And then my dad and his stupid company. We found a nice place for you downtown Phoenix called the Kon Tiki, which at the time was not at the time, 10 years earlier. Oh, okay. Yeah. Back in the 70s, it was like this. It was some hotel that they pulled out of an Elvis movie that they thought would be cool and served rum drinks. And it was, like, supposed to be this Pacific island getaway. And the pictures of it were incredible. I get the place like this. It was a thriving hotspot for people who wanted to get the Bali feeling right there in central Phoenix. Yeah. They wanted to say they literally thought Elvis would show up, but no, in the 80s, it was where the hookers went. And I listened to hookers have sex for hours in the room next to us. Our first two weeks living in Phoenix, staying at the Kon Tiki, we were in room 218, Brady. I remember quite vividly because my mom would tell me, if you. If you leave this room and anyone said you are in 218, it was drilled into my head because my mom knew we were in a bad spot. 2:18, upstairs, down about four, bang on the door, knocked three times to know it's you. And that was it. It was horrifying. And then prostitutes were in the room next to us. We weren't allowed in the pool. My Sister and I wanted to go swimming.

[B]

Going down the hallway to get a red pop.

[C]

Yeah, I would. I would run down the hall to grab a drink. Can I go get a pop, mom? All right, 218. Now if you're not back in one minute. Yeah, yeah. Brett just googled the old Khan Tiki on 24th and Van Buren. And you know, it was beautiful. The matchbooks that my dad's boss, Jimmy, I have you staying at the Contigu. It's going to be gorgeous. A beautiful place, Contigu. One of the finest places in all Phoenix.

[B]

It went all out on the entrance.

[A]

It wasn't one time, though, because I.

[C]

Remember hearing about it. It was a resort. It was high end stuff. A little diner in there. But I could go down to the vending machine at the end of the second floor. And I was allowed to be gone for a minute before I get abducted by prostitutes or pimps because they were everywhere. Then my dad. My dad. My dad was. My dad didn't know what to do because his boss put us up there like it was a gift from the company. And had we switched hotels, it would have been an insult to Jimmy Richards. I thought I gave you one of the finest rooms on Phoenix. Why you switch out to that hilltown, Jimmy? There's hookers everywhere. Shoot, your boy can handle that.

[A]

Get your dad a shirt.

[C]

See if you remember the Kon Tiki Hotel. Oh, it's family lure, my dad will always say. We could go to, you know, vacation. I'll meet you up there. I'll book the rooms. I'm like, I got the rooms. We'll end up in the Kon Tiki if you book them. Yeah, the Kon Tiki. And they had those. Yeah, they had those. Weird. Everything was Polynesian. Lava lamps and, like, weird hanging down, netted things. And there's one in Tucson, too. Well, Jesus Christ, that's just got to be a grass hut. There's still a Kon Tiki in Tucson. You don't want to stay there. Let's see. They should have just extended the loony bin last time I drove by there. I think it's a ugly duckling car. I don't know if they. They tore down the Kon Tiki and there was no fanfare when it was torn down. If anything, the wrecking ball got pregnant from all the semen that was floating around on the walls and beds. Thing was loaded. The wrecking ball was the fourth hardest thing to hit one of those rooms. I listened to a hooker get plastered in that room. And I mean, the bed frame was just pounding into our wall. The squeaky bed. I had no idea what was going on.

[B]

My sister, it wasn't a honeymoon couple.

[C]

No, because then we saw her and she'd go back in with other people. We kind of got to know. Not by, you know, talking with her, but we kind of got to know her. She was. She was beat up and she. You'd hear those heels click, clack down the cement walkway and then go into the room 219 and just pound it. And then. And then a few hours later, she'd go walking by again. It's like, man, middle of the night. And my parents were just ignoring it. Just ignore that. It's alright. What's she doing in there, Mom? I don't know. Exercising. Just watch tv.

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[C]

Turn it up.

[B]

Watch Star skin.

[C]

Huh? I can't. I'm trying to watch TV with this. There's this lady and I think she's getting killed. She's fine.

[A]

There's a Kon Tiki Restaurant lounge in Tucson.

[C]

Okay, good. And then my mom's actual answer for me to be distracted by the prostitutes was to stare out the window at the Looney Tunes who were standing in the yard. That was a great kickoff. My introduction to Phoenix was awesome.

[B]

A real estate seemed like a 70s and 80s trend because that whole Polynesian deal. Oh, and there was a restaurant in Columbus, the Kahiki.

[C]

Oh, they're big.

[B]

Same thing, same village.

[C]

It was big. The Kon Tiki. Yeah, it had the thatched. You know, that roof, that weird hut feeling. And, like, you step inside and it's just this odd Easter island heads greeting you. Yes. Yeah. The tikis that were everywhere. That and. You know, my only other time with tikis was the Brady Bunch, and I just thought of them as evil. And then the rooms were horrendous. Two beds, just the weirdest wallpaper you've ever seen. Some strange fake palm tree. And then just the smell of cigarettes and hooker vagina. And we slept there for 14 days. Our real estate agent was a man named Larry Lyman, and he wouldn't drive to us. You come to me. It's like, why? We don't know where we are. It's like, I don't care.

[B]

I'm not going there.

[C]

I don't remember. There was no, like, maps in your car you had to find. And he was in Mesa because we were told that was a good place to go. I said, you come out this direction. I am not going down there. It's like, why? Van Buren and 24th Street. There's the looney bin and the hookers. I'll meet you in Mesa. I think he settled in Tempe. We met him down by the school. Contigu, Phoenix's finest. It's always funny to me, too, because when you go to, like, they have those books that you'll see, it's like, Phoenix through the years. And Contigu's in there, and it's like you've got fond memories of a hooker dump. It was nice, though.

[A]

Here we go, John.

[C]

One of these. They still sell the Contigu Hotel Phoenix unisex retro T shirt. You can still buy that. Even the picture looks like that awful cotton. You would order that and go, this thing's like cardboard. Show me the picture of the guy wearing it. He's on, like, a bike trail here in the. Yeah, he's in Uluru. He's in Australia. The Kon Tiki Hotel, Phoenix. I have to get that. Brett, I'm gonna throw you a card in a second. I'm gonna need four of those. It was my stupid sister's birthday this week.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I don't buy her gifts, but that would be a good.

[A]

Send her this one.

[C]

Send that. Send that over.

[A]

She'd still remember that.

[C]

Everybody. Trust me, trust me. The family knows Kon Tiki. Kon Tiki was horrible. And it was the loony bin across the street. And evidently we wanted to build one for $900 million. And that sounds like a nice loony bin.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, if I was a loony and they were going to put me in a bin, I'd want a billion dollar one. But the one downtown isn't called that. But I could have marketed that. We. I could. I don't know. I could have got the win for them. Vote yes on nut house, people would laugh. They'd have thought, yeah, that's exactly what it is. Quit trying to call things something they're not. It's a mental health facility for rehabilitation. No, it's not. It's a nuthouse. You put them in the long coats, you strap them up and you tell them to knock it off. If they get better, they get let out. If they don't, they stay. But right now it's an 11,000 vote difference. And I'm not fighting yet. But I would love to know how come someone would vote against a loony bin. The only reason is because you've got ties to Looney Tunes. Like you've got a brother or something that would go in one. It's not like 1970 where they're going to abuse loonies like they used to. They're going to be nice to them, but you got to call it.

[B]

And emergency services expanding that. They can come to you loonies. They can come to the loonies.

[C]

Right? We need that, don't we?

[B]

Oh, yeah. When you want an additional physician training. Yeah.

[C]

It's money for that.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Who's voting against that? I'll tell you who. People with looney kids. People are too close to their kids right now. You know, you got a nut ball in your hands if you voted against that. Deep down, what you voted against was ever admitting that your kid probably will be in there. Now, I'm all against. Like, you know, and maybe you're one of those people just like, I don't want them to get any more money. Okay, I understand that, too. But for the most part, if you're kind of against the idea of it, it's because you look across the dinner table every once in a while and go that kid's gonna kill everybody. I don't want my son in a loony bin. If they build one, he's definitely going in. I like the way it is now where there aren't any to put him in. I'll keep my eye on him. Kid goes nuts and starts lighting buildings on fire and throwing cats off of roofs and should have been in a loony bin. Everyone will say it didn't vote for it. I don't care what side of the aisle you're on. Looney bins are good. And I'll get an email from somebody. I was in a correctional facility once. Yeah, but because you were a loony and now you're out, you straighten up. There's the special ed for all the people when we get out. Special ed was the loony bin at school. That's exactly what special ed was. It wasn't to try to rehabilitate the kids who were nuts. It was to try to keep them in a room, keep an eye on them together, separate them from the norms and keep them away from us because they caused trouble with the normals. The kids on the fence that kind of liked the behavior of the loony usually were the ones that helped them light fires. We had a kid named Glenn, and he had this, his black friend. And this wasn't fair. This was 80s. So the black kid was getting in trouble for this no matter what. But they used to take their parents Aquanet hairspray. And I always thought it was funny that the black kid had Aquanet, but he had it. He would go get Aquanet all the time, keeping it high and tight. And he would. Yeah, he would bring. He would bring Aquanet and they would light spiders on fire. And they got in trouble. They lit a bush on fire once. And Glenn didn't get in trouble. The black kid ended up in special ed. And he wasn't nuts. He was just hanging around a couple of nuts who thought it was like they were getting big laughs out of their Aquanet fires. Wildly dangerous to spray aerosol cans at matches at Rhodes Junior High. So then he gets the boot. He ended up in the loony bin and the other kid got the glen. Kid got moved. He was. He was almost in the special. But that's when I realized, oh, special ed's for lunatics. It's not. It's for the future criminals.

[B]

Andy Wiltberger used it as a easier way to get out through high school. Sure, he's like.

[C]

He scammed the system.

[B]

I have no homework.

[C]

But was he finish everything?

[B]

It's great. I didn't want to do the work.

[C]

He got coddled through school.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Was he a little nuts? Wasn't Wilt Burger? You always bring up Wilt a little off.

[B]

He had The Widowmaker at 46.

[C]

Oh, he's dead. That's right. That's why I know his name. But was he a little goofy? They don't just put you in there for nothing. What did he do to get in?

[B]

Act like he couldn't read.

[C]

Oh, oh, he went dumb. He genius.

[B]

I mean, like, I knew he could because. But he's like, it's sweet. I'm telling you, there's only like four or five people in there.

[C]

That's pretty good.

[B]

Take care of everything.

[C]

So he. See, he was trying to talk into it.

[B]

See, I think he wasn't. No, no, he never tried.

[C]

But you might have rose colored this a little bit. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying from your stories in the past, your friend telling you this might have been the scam he was pulling on you, that he actually was a little bit off and he was trying to tell you he did this on purpose. I don't think kids are that smart.

[B]

No, he. A factor of it wasn't on purpose.

[C]

But there we go. Now we're getting it.

[B]

But the truth is he didn't. He's like, I like this. I like the way this is going. Sure, he had to get out of it. And if he was that bad, you know, goes on to get his.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

College degree.

[C]

Sure, sure. He didn't scam the system that. Well, he was in there.

[B]

No, he wasn't like a genius scamming the system.

[C]

No. But he didn't go in there immediately. He needed it because he was probably struggling to read. Yeah, he wasn't.

[B]

Then afterwards, like, why would I get out of this?

[C]

Right. And he probably still couldn't read. So deep down, he was a little bit in need of special ed and probably had a. A bit of a screw loose to make him go. Put him in there with the weirdos. You didn't get in there just for not reading. There were plenty of kids who could barely read. If they were normal, they stayed in. You act it up a little bit and you couldn't read, you get a life sentence. They didn't know what dyslexia was. They knew it was a thing, but it was. Put that in a special room, he's just gonna waste time. That was essentially what dyslexia was, was annoying to the teacher that they had this kid that was so Far behind. Like, I can't do this. Get him out of my class. Put him in the loony room. Because that's when it wasn't just for trying to help kids who couldn't read. There was the dude who got caught climbing the pole. There was the one who damaged a car. There were. They were the criminal element. No one had pressed charges yet, but someday soon that was gonna happen. Special ed was a in house, nutty society of weirdos. They should do a movie about that special ed. And it's because everybody thinks of, like, you know, down syndrome kids. And they put them there. They just put everybody that didn't, like, normalize, like Brett and I into that room.

[B]

I forget what the term is now. They don't call it special ed anymore.

[C]

Well, they should, the nutty kids. But they did it to be like, you can't read. You're going in. See words backwards. You're going in. You're mentally. You're going in. You climb the flagpole and lit some stuff on fire. You're going in. It was just a. It was a. It was refuse. That was just the people that they didn't want to deal with.

[B]

At Kirby School, they call it gear.

[A]

Gear.

[B]

You're in a gear class.

[C]

What is that?

[B]

I don't know, like lower gear.

[C]

They're bogged down. They're down in one. Yeah, they're high RPMs. They can overheat if they hit it too hard. Yeah, you're in one. You're climbing slow. You're a slow climber. That's essentially what gear means. I work real hard, but the results just aren't that fast. And you're in gear now. What's that? It's a new thing we call the loony bin Special ed room. Get in there. We're tired of you.

[B]

So I incorporated that. I don't know, update. Whatever she did, she did something stupid. That's totally gear. Yeah, that was a gear moment.

[C]

Sickness Medicate. Kupd.

[B]

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[C]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness. Somebody points out how did Wilt Burger get in that class? And Brady can't. He still can't read. That's a good point. It wasn't just because he couldn't read. Something was going.

[B]

I tried harder.

[C]

Yeah, something was going on with Wilt Burger. You didn't know.

[A]

There's gear.

[C]

You don't get put into those things. What's it say? It says gaining early awareness and readiness for undergraduate programs. That's called gear Up Program to help low income students. Oh, now we call them low income students, not just the dopeys.

[A]

So they got the pores at your school?

[C]

Yeah, they just. So they isolate the pores. Isn't that class warfare?

[B]

That was just there at that school. You're put into a. A slower learning class.

[C]

Yeah. Gear for the poor. For the poor.

[A]

That's what you're saying.

[C]

Poor people aren't as smart is what you're saying. That's what.

[A]

That's what.

[C]

These kids don't have the resources we'll say to keep up with the reading and writing of the other kids. So you're in something called gear now. Lucky you. Here's a T shirt.

[A]

Oh, here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Here you go, Brady.

[C]

Exceptional academic resources. I see.

[B]

It's not money they're paying.

[C]

They have. They have watered down the word exceptional to mean you're kind of dumb. He's exceptional. Well, no, it's the opposite of that, actually.

[A]

Well, there's different gears. There's gear gifted, gear reading intervention and gear remediation.

[C]

Smart. They put the word gear in front of all of them to make it seem like there aren't any differentiations. But I'll tell you right now, just on words, Gear gifted and gear remediation are two wildly different things. I know. Gear reading intervention is for the kids who struggle with real reading problems. That's fine. That's just remedial reading class. But gear remediation and gear gifted, those are on opposite ends of the school. I promise you they are not near each other.

[A]

Oh, there's an additional tuition cost for the remediation kids.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Kirby did a gear math for like two years.

[C]

She was a math dummy. I was a math.

[A]

How much you have to kick in? How much more?

[B]

Like another 285 bucks a month, Something like that.

[C]

And then otherwise she gets kicked out. Right, because she's going to fail math. So they had to put her in extra money classes.

[B]

No, they offered it to you. Or you would go to outside tutor.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You could say you could do our gear program, which is all in all cheaper because you go outside to a tutorial.

[C]

But she was effing up 100 bucks a session. She was effing up in math. So they gave you the options of paying more to make this Right.

[B]

It was a combo. I, I, it was like a. You gotta apply yourself. Yeah. You know, do the work.

[C]

And she said, you gotta apply yourself, man. 285amonth. Apply? Yeah. My kids be like, you're paying for that. If you dummy up math, I'm not giving you extra buckle down or you're getting kicked out.

[B]

It helped.

[C]

Yeah, well, sure it helped. It better for 285amonth.

[B]

You know, give more time on. A little more time on tests.

[C]

Right. They dummy it. They make the dummy classes. Like you don't have to do it like the regular kids because you don't get. I was that way with math. I was terrible after high school. I was like, I don't get any of this anymore algebra. Why are there letters in my math?

[A]

Was Dan gonna pay for you to go through?

[C]

Dan told me, figure it out.

[B]

And there's, you know, knowing that what you knew in high school too. Like if Wilty was in that program, there's still some pressure on Kirby. You know, there'd be only so many kids in the gear Right Program. You wanted to get out out of there.

[C]

Yeah. Because you're in the dummy class. You know, you're in the dummy class.

[A]

And everybody knows you're in the dummy.

[C]

They can call it exceptional.

[B]

See, that motivation was still there.

[C]

Everybody knew. I can still mentally picture the room that they went into in the halls of Dobson High School. Oh, you gotta stay out of that. That's the dummy room. And if you ever went in the dummy room, people knew.

[A]

You try to avoid that section of.

[C]

The hall, you can call it exceptional all you want. We all know what's Going on in there.

[B]

By the way, Kirby just texted in. You're giving gear too much credit.

[C]

See? Yeah, I agree. They fleeced you for 285. Who's the dummy? Hey, man, I can do math.

[B]

I just don't. You're paying me back.

[C]

Yeah, I'm with Curbiter. I didn't want to. I didn't want to do math with letters in it either. Kirby, you're fine. And by the way, Kirby, you're never going to need it. You're never in your life if you don't choose to be a math teacher or a mathematician or an engineer. What does Kirby want to do? She wants to get into broadcasting.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Fail math. Fail math all day. You're never. I never use it. I use the basics. You learned everything you needed in math up until, like, ninth grade. Then it got stupid. That's only for people who wanted to keep going. I don't know anything about algebra and I never will. And guess what? Fine. Got it. Perfectly fine life. Kirby hates math. She's not interested. Get your D and get out of there. Quit making your dad pay 300amonth to get C's. Yeah, man. That's more weed money. Exactly. Curbs. I can do the math that, man. Eight grams is $38 a gram. Keep. Keep. That's what they did in remedial gear. Math, too.

[B]

Amazing how quickly math can.

[C]

Yeah, they're effective in math when it. When it matters to you. When your word problems are. Hector has 8 grams of weed still with the stems. You got to add that extra piece and to confuse people.

[B]

Well, the best thing you can do is if you're looking to go on after high school, to college, if you can go to that level. Because sometimes you can test out of having math in college, right?

[C]

You don't need it if you don't.

[B]

The freshman year, you have to take a math class.

[C]

Fine. I just. I hated it. Yeah, dummy. Classes are important.

[A]

Hector has.

[C]

Yeah, Hector has three grams. He's trying to sell to Jose one gram for $85. He's also selling another gram to Julita for 35. How fast will Hector. Julita. Oh, Hector's going to Julita. It's Julita, you son of a bitch. Weddle. Anyway, he's gonna. Julita probably by Friday and get his own grand back. Then he's going to sell that back. Leon wants a grand. Excellent work. You're doing great in the loony 49 hours. And if he doesn't get it, 85 is high. Come on. Player, player. Listen Julita is hot, but I can get you a better deal on weed. No, you got to stay in the parameters of the math. I can't. Not for those prices. This is crazy. I'll grow my own. That's exactly the correct answer here in remedial math. Grow your own now. Remedial horticulture. You gotta start calling things what they are. Gear. Exceptional. Go yourself. Your kid's stupid. It needs a special. It needs a special room.

[A]

This guy said at his school they put the dummies out on the trailers.

[C]

We were in the trailer. I watched him go to the. And it was a Night of the Living Dead when the bell rang. Because occasionally they'd have a normal class out in those trailers and you'd see those zombies coming out of their dummy math counting. Like accounting. Really? It's addition, you dumbass. You're doing addition. No ledgers now. They're just moving addition. Or to make it feel important, you're doing second grade math down there. And they'd walk around out there. You have to wade through the morons to get into English lit, which for some reason was out in the trailers too. Yeah, call them what they are. And kids would try harder if you. If you start calling dummy classes the exceptional classes, they don't recognize they're being cast out. Call it what it is. Moron. Reading room. The retarded math class.

[A]

Cameron's giving us high fives, too. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

No kids, man. There it is.

[B]

You saved yourself another 285.

[C]

285Amonth. Because my kid hates math. Like I did. And that's not a surprise. I would tell him I wouldn't have done it. I'd be like, what does it. What does it mean to you to get like a C in this class? Like, do it for daddy. Because I hate math too. I'm not gonna hold you to it. In fact, bring it to me and let's work on it together for a little while, because this is dumb. You're not going to need this. Do you want to be an engineer, Kirby? Are you out of your mind, man? All right, then let's just get through this math class for free. Yeah, Kirby's right. You're giving gear too much credit. I ended up getting to myself, man. All the dude did was sell me weed, man. 285amonth. You better get a bag of weed with that.

[B]

Four years.

[C]

Four years. You spent 285amonth for four years. It's not working after three months.

[B]

It was early on.

[C]

If her grades aren't better in 90 days. It's not working.

[B]

That's what she's telling me. You're gonna pay me back.

[C]

She's still. You're still going 285amonth for.

[B]

No, no, no.

[C]

It was four years.

[B]

It was basically from, I don't know, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth.

[C]

Oh, my ninth grade. She was struggling with that math. That's a whack on the back of the head.

[B]

That was the teacher still saying, also, we want to keep her in the gear. And I said, I think she's ready to go.

[C]

Well, that was you paying for it. All you had to say was, no more checks and she'd have gone back into the regular room. Put it right back in. After four years you lost. That's almost a car loan.

[B]

I didn't realize it was that one.

[C]

Jesus. I'm still math dumb, dad. How about. Were you giving the checks to Kirby or cash? They only take cash now. Dad. I'll pay her. Hand it over. You were just. You were supplying the stash.

[B]

I'm go get some more.

[C]

We. I got an idea. I'll just get dumb at math and dad will give me 300 bucks.

[B]

Yeah. Six through freshman. Sixth, seventh, seventh, eighth.

[C]

No reason to be sixth grade. Dumb at math. That's. They took advantage of you.

[A]

Oh, boys, the turquoise alert has been officially canceled.

[C]

I know. They found her. They found that girl. Which is good. Math problem.

[B]

She's okay.

[C]

That's right. Yeah.

[A]

They found her a gear.

[C]

Yes. Guy says, John says the only class out there that was normal was mine. For some reason, I wasn't in the loony class. I didn't say I was the most normal kid in class, but I was not. The threat of going into Looney Room lingered and was strong. That was a cloud that hovered over all of us. And I was. We're gonna put you. It was a threat. We're gonna put you in special ed if you can't get your grade. I'm getting my grades up. I've seen Jimmy Riches in there. He scares everybody. He's bouncing off the walls like he had. He was a human being with zoomies. I've never seen a person with zoomies. This kid had it. Morning sickness radiate K u p D.

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[C]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness.

[A]

A person with zoomies.

[C]

He was a person with zoomies. There was a time I'm pretty sure it was. Maybe it wasn't Jimmy Rich. I think it was Jimmy Rich. Jimmy would get up and just run around the classroom like, Jimmy couldn't sit down still. He couldn't do it. And it's funny. Christ, Jimmy's loose.

[B]

That seems to be the name. There's Jimmy.

[C]

Jimmy's. Lose it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Name your kid Jimmy. But in like, seventh, sixth, seventh grade. Just start flying around the room and throwing erasers and.

[B]

And then later in life, they're the most mellow person as an adult, that's.

[C]

I think Jimmy killed like nine people. And he's in the joint.

[B]

He's chilled out.

[C]

Yeah. No. I don't know. I didn't keep up with those people. I didn't want human zoomies around later. It's the reason I don't want to go to a reunion. The human zoomies will be there. I don't want to see those people. I've been dodging them the whole time I've been out of high school. You think I want to go back and see the people I don't want to talk to? That's what reunions are. And all those people you lost touch with on purpose. Let's go in a room with them. No.

[B]

How you doing, Jimmy? I'm a chicken hawk.

[C]

Look at me. I'm the fastest man in his 50s.

[B]

Watch this.

[C]

Like Jimmy still got zoomies. Jimmy still has the Zoomies. But he had to go into that room because every once in a while he'd just spaz. You're not even allowed to say that anymore. Flip out and start knocking stuff over. Or he'd just lose it and turn around and stare at the person behind him. Stop it, Jimmy. Look another direction. You know like when Jimmy's looking at you and then off go all your papers from the desk and Jimmy's.

[B]

You got to give him an extra.

[C]

Recess and you got to get him in that room. The padded walls. I bet you they named a room after him at Dobson's. The Jimmy Rich Memorial Gear Swing. Yeah, the Zoomy Gear Room for kids with Z. I knew a Jimmy in grade school that bit people. We all had a Jimmy. And I betcha Jimmy in grade school who bit people wasn't sitting in the normal classes. After a couple of bites, Jimmy got muzzled and stuffed into the gear. Exceptional room. Jimmy's exceptional. Uh huh. It's time to move him into the room of kids who aren't necessarily. You know, he could be a genius and this just might bore him. That's the biggest scam ever pulled on dumb kids. As they used to tell people. Einstein was in but he failed all his classes because he was bored. So when you started to fail, they started to compare you to Einstein to make it so you. So you volunteered to go into the crazy kid room. I'm like Einstein. That's what they tell me. Right? You don't comb your hair. That's the closest thing you are to Einstein. And you're short. Brutal. Looney bins. Now I want to go back and vote on yesterday's bill. Get that loony bill. Now I feel bad. It's so close and I didn't vote. I would have. I could have changed it to where we could have put these. The Jimmy Rich Memorial Loony bins. Somewhere another Jimmy ended up with tomato. I don't know if that was Jimmy.

[B]

Actually.

[C]

Somebody ended up with tomatoes and just chucked them at a teacher once. Like a 1920s cartoon. He threw a tomato at a teacher and it was legendary.

[B]

I ran into the Jimmy years later and like I said, he's a librarian.

[C]

Did he have human zoomies? He's probably on drugs. He probably got doped out of his mind or got some sort of electrical in your day. They probably lobotomized him. He probably took some frontal lobe out.

[B]

Married a couple of kids. Yeah. How are you?

[C]

You can. He was electroshocked into normalcy. Aren't you the kid with human zoomies? I used to be that, yeah. But I went into a facility and everything.

[B]

Professor at Ohio State.

[C]

Everything's better now. I like being a teacher. I like being around the kids.

[B]

So chase Jimmy is no longer a game.

[C]

What it would be.

[B]

Oh yeah, run out the energy. I'm like, all right, Jimmy, you got a five minute head start, Jimmy.

[C]

We all had a Jess of the.

[B]

Camp'S gonna catch you.

[C]

And if you're like, we didn't have a Jimmy at my school. You were the Jimmy. I don't remember any of this. This doesn't relate to me at all. There were no Jimmy. Sorry, I had to run around for a second. There were no jimmies at my school. Like a lot of times you didn't know his name was Jimmy because his nickname was Ricochet or something. He's bouncing off of everything and his parents never hit him. And actually the odd thing was I'm pretty sure that a couple of them that I knew the parents did whack him around and that's what made them so fast is because they were tired of getting hit. So they started to run faster and their parents couldn't catch them. So then they just knew running is the key. They become like jackrabbits. Stay away from the coyotes. They hit jimmies. And you know what I haven't heard from in my emails once I was the Jimmy. They don't like jimmies. Don't admit that, Jimmy. They don't last long. Most of them are in jail or in the loony bin where they stayed in loon. Yeah, and if we had looney bins, it'd be loaded with Jimmy's at 7:35. You got a few more minutes. Put Fat Cat in that promo code box for 7am Brett. In the meantime, tell us what's on the board of Musical Treats. All right.

[A]

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[C]

Since we had a. We had a kid that did that stuff you're describing, and we nicknamed him Tigger. Not doing that today. Not getting away with that one. That's gonna get everybody kicked out. Tiggers. Bow. What'd you say? Kick him out of school? No, I said Tiggers. What am I getting handcuffed for? You can't say stuff like that. You're making Brett laugh. What I said was Tigger with a hard R. You gotta stop saying it. In fact, if you put your ear up on the door of the special ed class, you would hear that it was going on every couple seconds. Because every special ed class had a Jimmy and a Tigger. Sounds terrible.

[B]

Get in the corner.

[C]

Great. Tiggers. What'd you say, man? No, no, no, no, no. That's his nickname. Oh, Jesus Christ. We're all gonna die. There goes the school. I got to go to a private school now. I'm gifted. Everybody thinks that Jimmy Fallon was probably a gym. He was a Jimmy. He still kind of is. He's one of those annoying.

[B]

He's never out of it. But that could be enhanced.

[C]

Human zoomies. And he became a drunk, like a lot of Jimmies do. All right, what do you got up there on the list?

[A]

Rage Against a Machine. Judas Priest, Turbo for your cloning and kissing and stuff.

[C]

Avatar.

[A]

Metallica isn't gay.

[C]

Soil five fingers shiny not gay to.

[A]

Make out with you Primus, Megadeth, Red Rider, Lunatic Fringe for the looney bin.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Kiss Crazy nights for the khan Tiki the homeburg vacation there the hives and anthrax Madhouse for the loony bin.

[C]

Countdown to Shutdown will always get my attention. And therefore it will happen.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Love that song. Kissing your clone is not gay. It's the same as masturbating. You give yourself a jerk. You're not gay if it happens to be exactly you. Nothing wrong with making weird.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, absolutely. It's. We're having a clone's weird. We're way past weird. Might as well play with it. What's it look like walking around with an erection? Because then you know what other people are seeing. It's game film. It's no different than watching yourself on tape. It's 3D. That's all. It's the Hives. Love this one. It's Countdown to Shutdown. Fantastic stuff. And the Shutdown. The government shutdown. Longest in history. Nice job, everybody. Way to get it done. I'm Rapidly becoming George Carlin, where I'm just like, I don't care. It's a club I'm not in, and I don't care. I'm not. I'm feeling less and less interested in voting for things because when you vote for them, both sides suck it up so bad that we end up with what's going on now. Then you got to hear everybody arguing about who's starving. I watched the thing yesterday on the news, kind of. I feel both sides of this. Living in the middle is not easy. People always want to place me somewhere. I am. I am understanding of the idea that the SNAP benefits are necessary. And I'm also aware that it shouldn't be something that you have to rely on all the time. It should be a helper, not a permanent thing. And they had a lady on yesterday who's been doing them for six years. And I get it. She's got trouble. She needs help. But for six years? It was never designed to last that long.

[B]

Just like gear classes, right?

[C]

Exactly. Brady should not have been paying for this every month for four years. This lady shouldn't be needing benefits from the government. And she says something. She goes, they're here for me. They're here to help me. And I'm like, no, it's a terrible attitude. So I'm actually for and against this at the same time. And then I went completely against it when I saw a woman who was 200 pounds overweight with a sign that said, we're starving. I'm like, stop it on the news. She's huge and she needs her SNAP food. Our children are starving. We are starving. Like, you're clearly not starving. You can't be 200 pounds overweight and need government assistance for food. I say, stop getting the SNAP benefits and work it off a little bit. You've eaten too much government cheese.

[B]

Our buddy Billy Thrall used to say, you know, some of these programs are designed. They're great. It's designed to be like a trampoline. But our people have turned them into.

[C]

A hammock, a nice hammock. You lay down and you stay and you get comfy. You can't just be self aware enough to know that if you're fat and you're holding a sign that says I'm starving, it's immediately hilarious, even if the cause is real. I've seen what starving looks like. I had a history class. It was not fat. Not once in Auschwitz did they say, all right, whose extra large PJs are these? Didn't happen. You can't stand outside of the begging for food from the government. I'm starving to death. Over. Look at me. I'm starving.

[B]

The program's working pretty well.

[C]

I'm not gonna make it. Looks like you're gonna do all right. Snap into a snap program. My God, you're well fed.

[B]

I said when it's in record. Oh, snap.

[C]

Oh, snap. Give it to a skinny person. Then the cause is just fat people. It's not gonna help. It's the hives right here. It's countdown to shut down. It's all a mess is my point. It's 98, Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said fully erect. 98.

[B]

I'm Mike King from the podcast Profiling Evil. A place where true crime meets behavioral science. I spent my career investigating serial predators and studying the psychology behind them. Here, we don't just talk about what criminals did. We explore why they do what they do. We expose manipulation and control, look at how offenders select their victims and uncover the ways that they try to avoid. Det. You can find profiling Evil on your favorite podcast platform.