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There you can make your plans for Thanksgiving.
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Action family.
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Yeah.
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Okay. We get everybody on a bike. I've seen Americans. I'm not so sure a family bike ride is in the future for a lot of make me feel sorry for the bike.
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Well, they got full suspension.
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Well, they better have a wagon for grandma and grandpa. They've let it go.
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Josh has got the new F350 pivots.
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Yeah, it's got to have some cabin space. And, boy, speaking of, have you guys. This is the weirdest thing in the world. I've. I was. I have not been on a car lot dealership lot to shop for cars in a long time. It's been a minute. So yesterday I did that. There's like, eventually it just comes down to getting on the Internet and ordering it. You know, it's the strangest thing. It's like, because you get to the deal.
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How many more are doing that?
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They don't have anything. Like, they have the display ones, and sometimes it's like the super high. Like, I don't necessarily want, you know, red leather interior. Oh, okay. I'm like, do you have anything else? No, we can go online and order it. And I'm like, well, so can I. Why am I here? Like, you're supposed to have it.
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It's really expensive to keep that inventory.
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Yeah, I guess. But it was like, the places you go, they're like, well, we can just order that. And I'm like, well, I can just order that. I came here to, like, see what you got. Yeah, we have the.
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Or find it around the country. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, they'll find it.
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A thousand bucks to ship it.
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They're gonna charge me 2,000 to ship a 700. I'm like, well, what are you doing? And then I had to ask him, like, can I speak to the radio executives in charge of this place? Because you're running it worse than my business. What in the world are you thinking? Like, we don't have anything that you would want, but the Internet does. And I'm like, well, I came here in the hopes that I can get it from other dealerships. I'm like, why would I go here then?
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Just Amazon it like everything else.
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Yeah. Jump online. And I felt bad because I want that. I want the guy who's. You know, I actually enjoyed a couple of the people I chatted with on a couple of dealerships I went to. One the dealership's fault. One the guy's fault, when the salesman's fault. It was the fact that they're like, you know, here are our five colors that we offer in the. You know. Oh, do you have the.
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Yeah, if you're looking for the specific.
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Well, I wasn't that specific, though. Remember, you used to go. And they're like that. Each kind of trim model in a different color. And if you had to find. If you were dead set on, like, a black, you know, Ford Mustang or something, and like, well, we have one in the low trim. We got to get the GT model. It's like, oh, well, can you order? Yeah, we'll have it in a couple of days. This one's like, let me go on the Internet. I'm like, why? Why did I leave my house? Why did I do this? Like, I could have done exactly what you're going to do. And the one guy even said, he's like, oh, we've got one over on. Like, there's one at Carvana. That's the. You shouldn't be shopping Carvana. That's the purpose of your existence. Oh no, we're all in cahoots. I'm like, so this is just the Internet warehouse. And the guy told me, goes, we used to be able to move cars like crazy. He said he's been at it for a while. And he said, we don't do that anymore. He said, I don't have any of the inventory. He goes, we have to go to a second lot and look at all this other stuff. I was looking at a Bronco and it had a two door. I liked the two door one. I'm like, these are kind of neat. And he's, he's like, yeah, we don't have any. I'm like, I'm looking at one. He goes, yeah, that one is. That's our display.
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It's not for sale.
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It was for sale, but it was like the owner was using it or something. Something. And I'm like, oh, tell the prick.
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To get do a mustard.
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So he's using that. He said, we got to go through it. I said, I don't want this one, but if I did, well, you could buy it. But you know, if you're still, we have to order you another one. I'm like, no, I want the one that's got your owners put some miles on it. Well, we can't sell that as new. Precisely. You see the nose, you see the berg at the end of my name. You asked for it, I gave it to you. Now let's make a deal. So yeah, the worst part is you go to the dealerships and I again, I'm for that. I like the tangible touch feel, leave with something. And I ended up going back and on my phone finding something. I'm like, oh, this is, this is 7 or $8,000 less than what I was gonna. And it said I can just order it.
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So is that what you're doing?
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I think so. I don't know yet. We'll see. I'm new to the market. Bert, I'm thinking about.
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This isn't another cybertruck nightmare like last time.
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Cybertruck was on my list again. Shot down. It's been sh. Down. But I think deal on it. Megan. Megan's not in the loop on that. She's. That's just not a possibility. That's like me saying I want to buy a spaceship. It really started to permeate through when I mentioned cyber truck to friends and to gays. And I literally think the gays would move out if I bought a cyber truck across the street, because it would just drive them nuts. That, and it kind of. It motivates me a lot. Oh, yeah, it's an eyesore. They would call the city to have me hide it inside, which sort of motivates me to want to do it just, you know, to own a car, to zing a guy. But yeah, it was kind of a strange. Kind of a strange difference. I remember when my dad and I used to go car shop, and I used to love it because the game was so much fun. Like, and they had everything the. The dealerships usually had. You know, if you wanted a. A Jeep, they had every color. They had each. You know, there's so many little packages, though, that now it's almost impossible to get, like, one that I don't want that. I want this. I don't want that. And they, you know, then they have to order. Takes months.
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Order one of each and keep it in stock.
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Right. They can't do it. So if they've made it almost too difficult for themselves to sell vehicles, unless they're the base models, they usually have one of the high end. Like, I even looked at Ford Mustang, the electric Ford Mustangs, they have one of the high models, and it was kind of a strange, pukey brown. Like, I'm not a big fan of the color. Do you have anything else? Like, no, this is the one we've got. I'm like, what are you doing? Why would you not have multiple options? I could leave today with a car. You don't realize.
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One that they got. You can get a little taste of it.
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Yeah, I don't, unfortunately. I don't want to take out the brown one. I might want to leave with a car that's. That's the purpose of a sale, is have things available. Because this person that's here, remember when they used to be accused of being pushy. Now that's the exact opposite. Like, you'd go and they'd be like, look, we're gonna. And you might even get A car. It's like, I didn't have the. The thing I wanted, but that was the one they had. It was great. It had almost everything.
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And it's like picking out a paint color sometimes, because you see. Well, it comes in this color, right? And you look at the square, at the.
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This is. I don't know, metallic blue. See it?
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So you're getting the family truckster now, basically.
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Yeah.
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You go for one thing and do the switching.
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But that's what we. All the old sales guys would be like. I know you want to leave with a car today, because people don't car shop with the idea of not getting one. If you're on the lot, you're probably thinking about buying a car. So you don't.
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But most of them, if they see that car, they're picking it up.
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You like, I'm Car shop. I don't want to do this every day. I don't want to come back here multiple times. I want to get. I have an idea in my head of what I'm looking at, and I'm looking at this, and if you had it, I'd probably buy it. But essentially, you lost a sale last night by not having this stuff. And it wasn't just one place. It was like, three places. You're like, we don't have one. You don't have that at all. Now we can order it. So can I. So I'm gonna go. I'll just go. I'm. Why do I. Why are you here? Why do I leave the house? If you don't have the inventory and I. And we're both going to the Internet at the end of this, and I gotta pay you to do it. I'm an idiot.
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Maybe it should be like McDonald's on. Just put a kiosk there. All right, I'll take.
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Not a bad idea. Just order it up and then give me some time. I ordered a jeep years ago. I have. It's. It's Blackie. And Blackie was a special order because they didn't have anything. I'm like, I'll take the black one. And I ordered it in, like, April, and it showed up in June. Like, how come that had. And it wasn't like I asked for it to have, like, unicorn horn. Pretty basic stuff. We gotta build it. Why can't you just make a funk? This doesn't exist anywhere. No, like, it's a jeep. I'm not surprising you with anything here. I didn't ask for each seat to have a pair of breasts attached to it. It's pretty much what you guys build.
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Why I'd wait for that.
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Yeah, I would pay for that extra flag. Well, then we've got the. This is called the Badlands model. This is our highest trim and just a little extra feature here. The front passenger seat and steering wheel come with a set of seat on them and they're pretty nice. You just have to pick what color you like. Asian, Mexican. That'd be the colors, yeah. Wow. So I got to. I like mocha. Do you have a mulatto? I don't know if. Am I allowed to say that anymore? Yeah, we have mixed races. We can get that. But it's got a special order mixed race breasts on your Badlands steering wheel. I'd wait though, I would think if they allowed authentic breasts to be attached to the vehicle.
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If you've seen the car and you're ordering new, I understand the Internet thing, but on the you side of it, if you're getting one, you know, a couple years old.
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Yeah.
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You pull up, use the Internet to see what's available. But then you gotta go, you gotta get it from. Because I, I have a hard time pulling the trigger on an Internet used car because a lot of times when you go, finally go see that car.
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Yeah.
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Wow, this has been beat up.
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It's like a date. Yeah, it's a chick. It's a fat chick who's got good pictures of herself on her thing. Yeah, the same thing. You see, I don't like buying stuff I can't see first. Because in person, on the picture. How many times have you seen a filtered broad? Every day. And then you see her in person, you're like, wow, when did, when did she go through the time portal? Because when did you age?
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40 years.
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She's 31 years older than that last picture that she posted yesterday. When did that happen? Or vice versa is like, wow, she was really thin yesterday. So you see a car, it's like they can. They do it at houses too. If you ever go and see people's real estate pictures on their houses and there's always a magnificent sunset or something and it's like, man, this place is gorgeous. Disaster. And all the rooms look huge in the picture by sight on senior. It's crazy. I just haven't been on a dealership lot in a long time. And I was joking with the sales guy, who's a young guy, and I was like, you guys go to the Internet just like I, I would, yeah. And I, what do I need you for? And he goes, man, you don't like. No kidding. And then he started to tell me about stuff. He goes, if you're the Mustangs, we offer like a company that comes to your house and gives you a retro plug so you can charge it at home. And he goes, most of the time they don't even do it right. He goes, just take the rebate.
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Really?
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Goes, yeah, call an electrician. The company we send out sucks.
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Oh, man.
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Like, thanks. What happened to car salespeople that you're on my side now? When did that happen?
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Brett, the last thing you want to do is sell the gun to someone who can't legally own one. Tell him not to put himself at risk and come into M and P Guns where he'll get a fair offer and he can rest easy knowing it's not getting into the wrong hands.
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Okay, but what if he out of state easy.
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Legalgunbuyer.com and he can do it all online. It's really that simple.
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Are you supposed to. Am I not supposed to be angry almost immediately upon like talking to you? Like I feel like you're trying escape.
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Shouldn't you say that to your boss? Yeah, let him know. Maybe change companies on the Remember when you we're still going to go with this company. That's not good.
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Well, they just suck. And there's just nothing you can do about it it. But they give you 2000 on rebate. Just take it. And remember when leaving the car lot, caused, like, multiple people to come and find you.
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Oh, the guys coming down from the tower.
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Hey. Hey. Just want to let you know I want to thank you for coming out today. And if there's anything we can do. I mean, what was your name? Can I get your number? Nothing. This dude yesterday.
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I'm not even letting you leave.
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Hang on.
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I understand you don't like the deal.
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I hated you leaving.
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I do.
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That was the. That was the game.
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They're still out there.
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I know they're still out there. I'm worried about that. I'm gonna run into one. I know I'm gonna like them. I'm gonna be like, hey, this is great. I miss you. You're old school. This dude had. I said, do you have a card? And he goes, no. You don't? No. I'll be right back. And he went in and got another guy's card and wrote his name on the back of it. Like, this is not how it used to be. You guys used to be pricks. I used to want to fight you. I actually would take this dude to lunch. He was pleasant.
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Until you sell so cars, you gotta write your name on a paper. You gotta earn that business card.
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You don't have anything, kid. I'm not printing up cards for your dumbass. Until you pull three off the lot.
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That's a newbie.
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Yeah, he was new. He was good, though. He knew everything. And he was. It was a pleasant experience. Aside from the fact that if I wanted a car, they didn't have it.
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And sometimes it's refreshing to hear that stuff. Nah, just take the rebate.
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Get out of here while you're still alive. What? They're gonna crush you in there, man. But all they have are base model vehicles in every color and then one high end kind of show off, and then you can order that. I mean, it was just. It was just because I'm like, look at this. Parking lots packed full of cars. He goes, yeah, it's just all base models, Just our different colors on display. I'm like, holy cow. How about that? I get a few, you know, Basically.
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It'S nothing you want, right?
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It's not. Well, I mean, the one I want, I have to buy this specific. And I don't. Like. I even said, like, the best one on the lot is puke brown. Like, put a good color, you know, If I was coming here for a black one and this awesome red one was there, I might go home in the red one. But puke brown, that's not the good one. So many people are driving puke brown cars because it was the one on the lot, and they needed a car that. I don't need it that day, but it was weird.
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It's the package that they wanted, but it's only available in that exterior color, puke brown.
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Puke brown is your best foot forward. I'm looking at all these other, like, bright reds and maroons and greens and black and puke brown, and that's the gt. Why put the cool color. Nobody says that I get a puke brown gt. I'm pretty proud of it. Black, red, white's good. You know, puke brown, that's the. That's for the weirdos. There's always a weirdo in your neighborhood's got the puke brown. Not even the good brown. Not even that desert beige. That puke like, you know, I'm talking about, like, it's almost like a wooden shoe. Anyway, don't know what to do about it. It was interesting. Haven't been out there for a long time. I haven't. I haven't got it. I haven't purchased it. Made me realize I have not even purchased a car since 2017. I haven't been in the car. I haven't been in the car market at all for a.
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What are you doing with cash, bro?
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And that was the other thing. We've lost some financing options. I'm like, we don't. We're. We'll be good. Well, what. And then they try to talk that. Because the last guy talked me into just. If you could finance for a couple months and then pay it off, I get extra money. Like, so if I go through your financing process, you get some money. What are you doing for me on that? Well, I can give you another 5,000 off. That makes it easier for me to pay in cash. Like, you keep dropping the price. It's actually easier for me to do in cash. Just do it and then pay it for 90 days, and then I get extra. So I did that. I went through all that financing crap for that kid to make, like, another 3,000 bucks. And I'm like, I'm never doing this again. 2017. That's enough of that. And then the car showed up. Two of the things were missing. You didn't get the LED lights. We had discussed that, but I don't. Like, why would I discuss that with you and then say, I want it, but don't put it on there?
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It was a good idea.
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We discussed you having it on there. And, like, no, just Say, what happened, you forgot, and it's the wrong light pattern. I'm fine with it. I'll live with this, but just take the price off. Well, since we went through financing, I can only give you a credit. I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm talking. Just give me credit. I'm not coming back for lunch or anything. Just give me money. Okay? My dad used to hate car dealers. By the way, Ticket is the 6:00am Code word. We're at 6:00'. Clock. Ticket. T, I, C, K, E, T. My dad used to yell at those guys as a. Hello.
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It was war.
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It was war. My dad was so mean. The car salespeople. So I'm actually the opposite. I'm actually nice to them because I know they've been through a Dan Holmberg or two in the last few days. My dad, we were at Burge Ford once in Mesa, and the guy came and goes, hey, how's everybody's day going? He's like, little proud of these, aren't you? First words out of his mouth. What are you talking about, sir? These prices are ridiculous. And I'm not gonna haggle with you or fight. I have a price in my mind. I'm paying it. Whoa. Hey. Oh, we're off to a bad start. Your day not going so well? I don't need your either. We're dealing here. My dad blew up every. Every single time. Even if the deals were going well, I think he felt the need to explode to make the guy so afraid. And then we get in the car, and my dad's like, you got to remember these guys selling cars. They're like D students. He was. They're scared to death of people with success. Like, what? Yeah, because they act like they've got the upper hand. You have to let them know they don't. I'm like, I don't think you're doing it right. I think you're just making people hate you. Doesn't bother me. And we would. We'd get deals. My dad was horrible. I remember we made it. We bought a 1986 CJ7. And I remember this because it's a core memory in my life. And we went to go get it. My dad said, let me go. Because we were trading in a Ford. And we were trading the car in for this Jeep. Actually, we're trading in my Jeep for a Ford. It was the other way around. And we go in there, and it was my car. So was that the Bronco? Yeah, the Bronco, too. And we're sitting in there. And he plops down in the deal. And we had a. We had everything mapped out. The last visit. Went home to get the Jeep because we didn't have it. He said, we'll go get the Jeep. We'll trade it in. And my dad's like, you washed that goddamn thing. I told him this, that. And so we washed it, made it look great. Pull back in, drop it. Go back in this guy's office. And the salesman comes in. He goes, all right, Dan, you got the car. We got this. I gotta tell you, I couldn't. I couldn't get the number we talked about on the interest rate because your son doesn't have any credit. And I was 18. 17. And my dad just goes, you mother. I can't believe you would put me through this. I had to go all the way up, get the. Are you done? And he goes, yeah. And he goes, I got you a better rate. My dad had just stood up, was pounding the guy's desk, mother effing him all the way around. And I'm sitting there just like. And he goes, I just. Are you done? The guy was furious. He goes, I got you better rate. I remember the interest rate they were trying to get was 10% because of me. The guy got it down to, like, seven. And that was back when that was reasonable. It's not now. And it's seven. Oh, my God. Oh, okay. And I just thought, please apologize. Please apologize.
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Please.
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My dad goes, I'm sorry. I lost my temper, but it's you guys. And he started to yell at him again. It was like the typical sale. And he was horribly mean to them. Only person. I never did it to, like, waiters or. He was only people. My dad was horrible to immediately car salespeople. And I know he wasn't alone.
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No, definitely.
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I know it was war, like you said. It was just people went in there thinking they were gonna try to fight him. Boy, I. I'm the opposite. I'm nice. I'm asking them, how is your day going? If you're running any. Dan Holmberg's here today. It's got to be miserable to meet my dad. Horrible.
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It's like back in the day when you go car shopping. The training music from Rocky started before you got in the car and everything else. You know, you're working out, ready to go down there.
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And my buddy sold cars for a short period of time. And he goes, man, my eyes are open. I'm like, what? And he goes. Every time they tell you to, like, ring a bell or A gong or something. It's to let the other salespeople know that you just some people from Peoria, like, really? If they're like, hey, deal of the day. Why don't you go hit the gong? And they go over and smash a gong. It's basically to say, we absolutely rate these two. And the other sales people, like, all right, somebody's gotten a no go. Talking about is a sales guy. He just made enough money to buy a new car off of you.
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Oh, my God.
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Hit the gong, Harry. I can't believe it. No, you hit it. We got such a good deal, they're letting us play with a gong. Hey, we got a new car. And then you leave and they're just slapping high fives. Like, we crush those two. So if they ever do that to you, you're like, hey, you want to go ring the gong or you want to make that fire? They have a fireman's. Yeah, just say no and then walk out of the place. Go. If you're making me ring that stuff. I know you're. I know you've just raped me. I don't know. Why would you say that? Because you guys have been doing this for a long time. You do that to dumb, dumb old people or new people. You don't do it to dudes. Middle aged guys. We've seen them. We're. We're cynics. I don't know. We'll see. I don't even know if I'm going to get a car, but I would have last night if it was the one I was looking at that we saw online was sitting in his lot. I'd have bought it last night. I can see if I can get that for you. I'm like, so can I? I'll do it myself. I told you what website to go to. Let me see if I can get a deal on it. And then you're gonna charge me for. No, I'll do it myself. I'll just pay what's on the thing? And he was pretty much like, yeah, that seems right. It's so weird. Ticket is the word for 6am if you want to go grab that ticket, put it on your promo code and take it in the app. Yesterday everybody's phones popped at the same time. Almost like those weird alerts when there's missing turquoise people. Tom Brady is confirmed the weirdest mother effer on the planet. Like just. He's a eugenics Hitler is what he is. And we've got to keep. I've. I've said this Several times. Every time Tom Brady does something, always know that it's probably not on the up and up. Everything he's doing seems shady. From his TB12 program with that guru guy that he had, and they were selling products to people, and even his own team's like, get this guy out of here. We'll keep Tom. But that dude you bring with you isn't allowed in the building anymore because now he's just selling people powders and shakes. We don't know if it's legit or not. Get him out of here. And then, of course, you know, he's constantly cheated through his entire football career. I'm the one who tried to blow the whistle, saying he shouldn't be allowed to broadcast games and own a team because you get information privy to other teams. And some people have said that it isn't right. And then yesterday, he goes off and announces that he's cloned his dog.
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Wait, what?
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You didn't hear that? No. Yeah. So his dog died in 2023, and Tom Brady took some of its DNA and took it to a lab and cloned it.
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Didn't he see Pet Sematary?
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This don't work.
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What are you doing?
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There it was. And Tom Brady is starting to make me think maybe he's a bit like he would do it to himself. Tom Brady loves himself. You know that Tom Brady's very into Tom Brady. There's a vial of Tom Brady's something or other that he's got this dude that he runs around with, you know, Tom Brady's about to clone himself. Can I be the.
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Can I be the goat quarterback? He's going to clone about 20.
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He's going to do this. It's probably already started. Morning sickness. 88. Okay, you PD.
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And then this kid's just going to show up in some family that they've paid $100 million to, say, raise the clone. Tom Brady raised the Brady baby. It's got extremely good skills athletically. We can. We can mold it.
C
I don't know if the guy still owns it, but you remember the. He had the celebrity theater. He clones.
B
He clones his dogs. And it's just.
C
I think he's done it twice, dude.
B
It's just not normal. Dogs are wonderful. I am a dog freak. There are so many dogs available out there, and I love the dogs that I've had and lost. I wanted them to last forever. But it's creepy as to clone one, it's creepy you go out and get another dog, but it's creepy to clone your dog. That is that mad scientist nonsense, that you don't want that Dr. Moreau kind of stuff. You're right. Have you not seen Pet Cemetery? When we started to build dogs out of other dogs, it turns on you. I would show him that, that real sports story I saw years ago, that guy that absolutely couldn't get enough of a pet longhorn he had. And when the longhorn died, he built a new one. And the family was like, this one's not the same as the other one. It's kind of mean, and it's not exactly normal. And the clone, it's my baby. The cloning people said, it'll look and seem just like the other one, but it's not. It has its own experiences and its own things. And he said, and sometimes they're not wired right through cloning. And sure enough, this longhorn, Gord Gordon, killed him because he. He saw him and thought, oh, it's my old baby.
C
I'll nap with him.
B
So, yeah, so he would rub its belly like the old one liked, and the new one didn't like that. The cloned one was like, I don't like my belly rubbed. He's like, yeah, but the one that you're made of did I don't. And he just see you and he shoved his horn through his sternum. And suddenly the clone was no longer exactly like the old one because he was covered in. Cloning your pets is flat out wrong. And I'm not a play God guy, but that's playing God and it ain't right. It's weird. And Tom Brady's a weirdo. He's a freak. And I looked at his face in the story. His face is doing something new again. Look at Tom Brady when he was young and look at him now. He's not aging like a human being. Something's going on. I'm thinking maybe this is the clone. It's. He's not even that. Like, he's at Raiders games as himself and then his clone. And when you listen to him broadcast the game, I don't think he does a bad job. But there's nothing about Tom Brady memorable about. He's not bringing much energy and fire to each broadcast. It's not like he's not endearing or likable. Like the way Tony Romo kind of just became this dopey, here we go, Jim. We gotta love all this going on. He's got emotion. He kind of seems to enjoy what's happening. Tom Brady is not that you.
C
You would hear initially about Romo. From the beginning, he's like, sure, wow. His insight is pretty cool.
B
He's almost a child.
C
Talk about that.
B
But the same way Madden had his little goofs and stuff and, you know, everybody's got something. Tom Brady is just this robotic, strange clone. And now he's basically saying, yeah, I dabble in cloning. And nobody's saying Tom Brady is crazy. It was his former dog Lua, who died in 2023. And for Tom Brady, he said the memory of Lua just wasn't enough. So he took his new dog, Juni, and they told People magazine, yeah, it's a clone. I made it. I made it in a lab. So I love my animals. They mean the world to me and my family. A few years ago, I worked with Colossal and leveraged their non invasive cloning technology. That's mad. That's the bad guy in a Bond movie would say something like that.
C
He interrupted their mammoth making.
B
Yes. Yeah, Colossal. Hey, guys, here's lua. She's a 20 pound terrier. You mind taking a break from mammoths and dodos? Yeah. And they're like, sure, we'll help you out, Tom Brady. This can help families losing their beloved pets and Help save endangered species. Your pets, your dogs aren't endangered species. There's a shelter near you, Tom, that would have done a lot better than you cloning. Lua Colossal Biosciences announced Tuesday that it acquired ViaGen Pets and Equine so they can build horses, too. What is going on? And why is Tom Brady not getting, like, hammered for this? This is bad. Says it costs about 50 grand to clone a dog or a cat and 85 to clone your horse. Come on.
C
Volume. It's volume.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah. If you turn. If you got multiples, you can just. We could keep rebuilding your own dogs. Shelter some, for Christ's sake. Shelters. And you don't need to clone horses. The only thing cloning should be used for is food. We start cloning cows and stuff, and it's like, if we can make. If it's faster, it's probably not as.
C
And that was one of the things that, you know, they are wigging out on corn.
B
What? Cloning corn.
C
Gmo.
B
Oh. And they're starting to modify. Yeah, you can't. It just seems off. Cause you know, what's next. Not gonna be a popular phrase I'm about to say, but that SIDS baby can make it. You just have to wait. You know, you're gonna have a little hiccup in time, that's all. Just suck out some SIDS baby, put them in a tube, and make a new SIDS baby and act like that thing never happened. That crib problem was never an issue. You can keep all the stuff you bought. You know, you go through a little thing, but then you just rebuild them. It's like bringing them back to life. Sid's baby cloning. I'm gonna invest in that because that's a booming business right there.
C
Colossal already has a division.
B
They have to. And is that bad? I mean, truly. You lose a kid, you clone a new kid, and you're like that.
C
Hardly.
B
That kid. Our old kid, you know, got Toledo's brother that got hit by that bus.
A
Jeremy.
B
Yeah, I like that. You remember. I mean, Toledo's dad loved his other kids so much, I'm surprised he didn't clone Jeremy. He spent all the money. Wouldn't that be awful if we found out Toledo's dead, cloned Jeremy, and still never even tried to call Rich. I lost my son. You have another one. You've never. We don't talk about that one.
A
Get myself another one.
B
What is 85 grand to get my boy back? Well, you could just go call the one in Arizona. Stupid clone and clone this one. Start over. You don't clone dogs. And it makes me just say, Tom Brady is a lunatic. And there is a. There's no way he didn't look into this with the people rebuilding, because it is the big company. This isn't some fly by night. This is the big gigantic one that's redoing woolly mammoths and dodo birds and extinct species. And this is a massive company. Tom Brady rang him up and said, can you do my puppy? And they said, yes. Which means Tom Brady's brain isn't going to sit back and say, what? What about me? Can you redo me? Like, we could build another you? Tom Brady would date himself. I'm convinced of that. If Tom Brady's clone showed up at Tom Brady's house, Tom Brady would immediately. That guy. I know I would. Not the Tom Brady one. If you built another me, it would be dangerous because that's the only person I'd want to hang out with. We'd be awesome together. But it would. But I also would recognize the creepy factor of exact me hanging out with me. Because he would know exactly how hard to grip it. The hand jobs in the car. He would know exactly how to. He would know exactly pornhub pages. Yeah, he would. He'd be like, dude, look what I found. And he know I. He'd. I'd like that. He'd know exactly the tenderness of the kiss that I need. Yeah, he'd be perfect. And then you would have to kiss yourself. Right. To see if you're any good at it or what you feel like you would have. You'd want to know, would you not, if clone Brady came in immediately? And you'd be like, I wonder, what.
A
Is that ancestral at that point?
C
Yeah.
B
What do I look like walking away? No. No, it's not. Yeah, you would kiss yourself. You would do it.
C
No.
B
Yes, you would. You would. You'd get too curious to be like, what do I feel like? Like, you'd have to know. You'd have to. And what if you found out, man, I'm pretty good kisser.
A
This is a little twinkie to me.
B
No, it's not. You do it. You'd touch yourself if he's cloning me.
C
If you like. I know he is, so.
B
You don't know that. No, you don't. Stop it. I can tell by your tiny little mouth that you're one of those droolers. You could learn. You don't know, you say, sure do. No, you don't. It's one of those weird Little like somebody eating a grape out of a horse when horses eat out of a hand. Like you're eating the top of an ice cream cone. There's no way you're not that. Are you too aggressive? Is your tongue rough?
C
Do you think anyone admits that they're a bad kisser?
B
Probably. I would assume so. I can tell by people's mouths if.
C
You knew you're a bad kisser, then. I mean, if they thought they were. When you fix that, it's a fixable thing.
B
You know how you fix it? Give yourself a smooch. Find out what it's like going to the game tape. Like, oh, I am a little aggressive there. That swirl things no good for anybody. I'm gonna stop doing that.
A
Wait a minute. You can tell by somebody's mouth?
B
Yeah, I can tell by looking at somebody.
A
So who in the building is good and who's bad?
B
Who's a good kisser? Who's a really good kisser, probably. Let's take a. Let's take a. Let's inventory this real quick. A good kisser in the building, man or woman?
A
Yeah.
B
Fitz has a good. He uses his mouth well, like, it's. He's. You probably are. All right. You got a nice shape on that thing.
A
All right.
B
You don't open your mouth very wide when you talk, though, so you could be one of those dirty tongue people. You know those. You ever kiss one of those?
A
Oh, yeah.
B
Oh, the worst lizard people. That's what I think you would do. I think he would dart because you got a small mouth.
C
I've kissed a darter before.
B
No, the darters are the worst. Maybe you learned from that. Maybe she was darting back to be like, this is what this dude likes. You're like, I hate that. So you swat. You switched it out. Larry would be horrible. Larry would be. Larry's mouth would be way too wide open.
C
There's the open cave. Yeah, that's dead tongue. It just lays there.
B
Oh, those are the worst. Yeah, when you're just kissing an open hole.
C
Then there's the drool bucket.
B
The drool buckets. See, that's what I think you might be because you get the speech impediment.
C
How come I know about a drool bucket?
B
Maybe it was yours. Maybe the two of you together made, like, some sort of tsunami. Like, you're drooling and she's drooling, and it just turned into a sopping mess. Usually people with a lisp or an affect or some sort of thing in their mouth have a spit issue. Maybe it's not coming out, but it's inside there. You're moist. Oh, that's. You wouldn't even kiss that if they've got stuff on their lips.
A
Little hangers on the sides.
C
Yeah, not only hangers. It's just. Just wet on.
B
You wouldn't even make out with that, I would assume.
C
Irrigation problem.
B
The good kissers. Like who? Downstairs, Heather Morrison's got some. I don't know if those are manufactured, but her mouth is like. She's got, you know, her mouth. Lips and stuff.
A
Yeah.
B
There'S a few that seem scared. Like they'd be those shaky. Kind of. Half Ed would be. No, I think Ed would surprise you. Oh, really? Yeah. I think Ed's made out with a lot of pillows. He's practiced for years. And he's ready. I don't know. I don't think there's anybody down there that'd be like, ooh, they're bad. Everybody's got kind of normal. But I look at, like, you know, maybe not guys, I don't know, but a girl with a. With a lisp or a speech thing.
A
You said either or. You can.
B
Yeah, no, I can tell by looking. But I'm saying I'm. I'm wondering because Brady's claiming that he's the world's greatest kisser in his own weird way. Yeah, kind of in a strange way.
A
What about Tripp?
B
Tripp would be horrible. It would be so shaky and weird. And I know he probably used to be great at it, but now it's like there's too much noise. Morning sickness. 98K.
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B
Holmberg's Morning Sickness. Trip, like the aggression? I think Trip would be super aggressive. I think in the middle of half a kiss, Trip be like this, Take your pants off. I think it would be. We're going for it. If. If Trip's kissing you, he ain't stopping there. He's. He's. Time to waste on just a kiss good night. He's going for it. Yeah. Joseph. Probably pretty solid. Yeah, There's. I don't know. Yeah, I can tell by not hard. Dave Har downstairs. I'll say this. Probably a decent kisser. Dave Har.
A
All right.
B
But he cries too much during lovemaking. Moynihan's probably a terrible kisser. He probably gets too, like, his hands get. He probably gets too riled up and. And again, probably a lot of giggling like he's. It's too. Too much excitement. You know, it's like kind of the. When you look at puppies and stuff and you realize that one's gonna jump on me. It's like, you just know before they jump that the energy is jump.
C
So glasses fog up.
B
Yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah. I don't know. That's good. It's a good question. I'm gonna go down and take a gander. I really haven't. You know, because it's worked. You're not supposed to stare at people's mouths and go, what do I make out?
C
Sometimes the disappointing thing. You think that would be a really good kisser?
B
Yeah. Yeah. Usually it's the. The bigger lips are bad. Usually that's too much and they. That turns into like a big old kind of like vacuum. But, you know, like just a nice. A good sized mouth doesn't have to be big lips or small lips. Good sized mouth and, you know, doesn't sound like there's any trouble going on. It's like a clunky car engine. Things are moving solid. I think Paul Sera would be one that would surprise you. Good or bad? I think it would be good because.
A
Really?
B
Yeah. He's like. He's a bigger dude, so he has to make up for what he feels insecure about. So I'm sure kissing would be like, oh. Because it's your first impression on the. So it'd be like, oh, wow, this is not bad. I think I can swim through all this fat and take my chances. I think when you've got obvious physical issues, kissing becomes important because if you're bad at that, that's. You're not getting any further with that. Yeah. All right. Interesting. You got me thinking about John J. John J. I don't know which face, which version, which trim model. I think John Jay would be one of those.
C
So tight.
B
Yeah. I don't. I don't know his mouth even opens anymore. He just speaks through computer programs that have. They've inserted into his head. I thought that printed. Yeah. I don't know. Let's go now. I'm thinking about all that stuff and sometimes you can be wrong about it, of course.
A
Yeah.
B
But for the most part you can judge it right away just by looking at a person and how they use their mouth on a day to day.
C
Interesting.
B
I would rate myself probably mid average. I can do it. I'm pretty okay. I don't think I do anything great. I don't think I do anything bad. I just get the job done. I'm basically the Toyota Corolla of making out. I'm gonna get you where you're going. You're not gonna remember me. But when you park it, you're like, I don't want to own one of these. But that's a pretty nice car that's basically got me here. Yeah. That's kind of the way I do everything. That's like I'm a rental. Like this is a nice car. Would you ever buy it? Oh, no. But I don't mind renting one. Got me from A to B. Creature comforts.
C
You gotta adapt sometimes.
B
How so?
C
All depends on who you. The person that you're kissing at the time. Sometimes people kiss differently. That's why it's like, wow. The one that connects with you.
B
That's right. I'm saying if you cloned yourself, going back to that and you'd try to make and see what you're doing right and wrong. And Tripp would kiss himself going, geez, that guy's a little handsy. And started to tug on my hair.
A
Becky says, I love you guys. You're cracking me up. Sounds like a bunch of teenage girls going through Tiger magazine.
B
It kind of is. I bet you. What about JTT is a great kisser? I don't know. I just know that if I cloned myself, I'd make out. You guys asked and you say you wouldn't. You would hug yourself at the very least. Right. Just to feel how you feel in someone's eye. You'd have to. You would hug yourself if you cloned you, right?
A
Yeah, why not?
B
And you would think about it.
C
Wouldn't. But it wouldn't be like your brother.
B
No, it isn't like your brother.
C
It's you.
B
And you would grab it. No, like, this is what someone else feels when they feel me. Not your brother's. Not especially your brother. You're nothing alike. So it isn't that you're making it all sexual. I'm making it an experiment. When you're like, you hug him and you're like, that's what I feel like. Okay. You don't.
C
Making it sexual by hugging my brother.
B
Well, no, you're saying you're making it sexual by saying that if you hugged yourself, it would be. No, it's like your brother. No, you're actually trying to feel how you feel. So it's different than it would be just hugging your brother. No emotion or anything. Like, hey, buddy, I love you. You. That's nothing. When you're hugging yourself, you're like to feel how you feel, you know, sexual. How does your ass feel? And from that angle, you'd grab it. If I was hugging cloned me, I'd go down and feel my ass, be like, oh, we need to work on that. Or, hey. Because I've never had that chance to go rub my hands down my own back from that angle and lift my own ass cheeks. Like we do to all our women. Yeah. When you kiss them, you go, what do you do? You go down and sometimes they do it to you. What do you feel like? That's not a weird question. That's totally normal. But in order to find out, you'd have to clone people. And that's where the normal stops and Tom Brady begins. And that's my point. Tom Brady's a freak. And don't think there isn't a Tom Brady in some sort of weird gelatinous fluid in a big tube that's bubbling like Austin Powers, waiting to be broken out. When it's okay to have extra cloned use because Tom's cloning himself.
C
The TB12 is in a chair.
B
TB13 is ready to come out. Like, the next model is ready to go. Tb. There's no way that he contacted the world's largest cloning company and didn't include himself in the packages. Just Lua. He's testing it out on his dog. I know Tom Brady. I've been following him for 25 years. At every turn, he does something crooked there's nothing about Tom Brady that's legitimate about cloning this dog that doesn't have repercussions later. The dog was the test run. If Lua came back as Lua again, he's like, all right, kids, get ready. There's going to be a second daddy around here. They're going to rebuild Tom Brady.
C
That's amazing. There's fewer than 10 pet cloning companies worldwide.
B
Yeah.
C
With few dominant players. ViaGen pets in the United States is the largest.
B
That's the one that's for pets. And ViaGen is the one that just got bought by Colossal. The one that Tom's dealing with. Colossal Biosciences. Just bought by or whatever you said. The ViaGen that just got purchased. So the biggest player in pet cloning just got involved in the biggest player in clone cloning. And they're rebuilding the mammoth and they're rebuilding the dodo and they're working on dinosaurs and they. And Tom Brady's dog. Come on.
A
Jurassic park either.
B
Yeah. None of these.
A
Cemetery.
B
Jurassic Park.
A
Come on.
B
All cloning movies with people ended up in some sort of war. Even Star Wars.
A
Yeah.
B
Attack of the Clones. Imagine an army of Tom Brady's. That insufferable amount of ego coming at you and cheating. And like you just dominate Vegas with all the tricks and cheats that he comes up with. He's a brilliant cheater.
A
This mean they're gonna be thawing Ted Williams out soon?
B
Well, we might be getting closer.
C
That project's done.
B
Well, not necessarily actually because they have the DNA. So it ended up not being. We can react. Re rebuild the body, but we can take your DNA and re and clone you to a reasonable amount clips.
C
They were trying to, you know, eventually.
B
Attach the head to a body through micro medical. They. All they said was, we can do this. We just don't have the tools small enough. And they were going to reattach to a different body. A donor body. It was a scam to begin with.
A
Is he still frozen over there?
B
I don't know if that business still. Because when they were playing soccer with his head and got caught and putting him on tin cans and kicking them on a field. Yeah. When they were teeing them up and booting Ted Williams brains through uprights, I'm pretty sure that place shut down as we know it. I don't know what they did with all the heads, but Teddy Baseball is pretty torn up. If he's still sitting on the tuna can in the. In the. You know, I think he might be for sale at one of McFarland stores is just a memorabilia. You go up to Vegas to the Caesar shops and you see that place that sells all the sports stuff. Ted's head's in there somewhere. Cool. They got pictures of Gail Sayers and autographs of Dick Butkus and Ted Williams kicked head. Yeah, Cloning. It's here.
C
They should put it in the Titanic exhibit in that frozen room.
B
That'd be cool. Just have it just sitting there next to it as the head of Ted Williams for no reason at all. No, but this is cool. Why is Ted Williams leaning up against the iceberg? Because it's awesome. That's why. Quit asking so many questions. You're in Vegas. You're too lazy to actually go to the real Titanic. You're at the Luxor. Expect something crazy. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. And Ted Williams head is at the Titanic exhibit. Now again, all. I'm. I'm just. Look, Brady, I'm Don Quixote. I'm hitting this windmill. That Tom Brady messing around with cloning is a bad idea. And the fact that it took a year for him to come out and go, sure, I cloned my dog. Means he kind of knows, probably shouldn't do this. Never once mentioned it on the broadcast when he and Kevin Burkhardt. Kevin Burkhart. Along with Tom Brady. Tom, anything new this weekend? Clone my dog. Oh, Jesus Christ. He's dabbling with God stuff. All right. The Panthers taking on the Buccaneers next. You don't clone your animals. That's creepy. And Tom Brady has the money to clone himself. I'm saying get in the. You think Belichick's not like, I heard you're cloning stuff. I got this 23 year old broad. I could use two more. Belichick's not going to clone himself. These dudes are super egos. And then Belichick and himself sitting in a room. I wonder how I feel in my own arms. And pretty solid kisser onto the right can. Gross. Would you clone you?
C
No.
B
No. Because it's wrong. Even Brady wouldn't do it. And Brady likes himself so much that says he's the world's greatest kisser. I heard it third, Third, two other people.
C
Who's the top two then?
B
Valentino and crippled Kenny Logging. Maybe that was the top. Wouldn't that cripple Kenny Loggins? Probably a good kisser because his face is fantastic.
A
It's beautiful.
B
I bet you Stephen Hawking made out with his second wife on their wedding tape. It's one of the hardest things I've ever watched in my life. And why? Because you look at Stephen Hawkins mouth and you're like, no one should kiss that. There's a reason. I'm not wrong. People are like, oh, John thinks you can tell by kiss. If somebody came at you with like six teeth poking out of their gums all different directions, you'd be like, I'm not kissing you. Their mouth is weird. So that's all I'm saying, is you can tell by somebody's mouth whether or not they're a good kisser. That's all. Let's get a wake up song Ticket is the word today. And trips in his pillow going, I am a good kisser. Take that pillow, take that, roll over. I'm gonna kiss the back of the pillow's head. Let's get a wake up song 585-9800. A good one and we'll scream it together. It's 98 Kupp, Wake Up, Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said fully erect. 98 K U P T.
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Podcast: Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: John Holmberg (A), Brady Bogen (B), Bret Vesely (C), Dick Toledo (D)
This episode revolves around two major themes: the decline of the traditional car-buying experience and a candid, comedic debate about Tom Brady’s public admission of cloning his dog—featuring wild riffs on cloning, ego, and the ethics of duplicating oneself (for everything from athletic skill to "kissing knowledge"). The conversation is sharp and full of humorous banter, touching on nostalgia, technology, and the quirks of celebrity culture.
Car Shopping Has Changed:
John visits multiple dealerships and finds the process unexpectedly impersonal and inventory bare. Salespeople point him to online ordering instead of offering vehicles on-site.
Dealerships Are Just a Middleman Now:
Sales staff admit they no longer have much inventory power, while the idea of immediate purchase is gone.
Disappointment with Model and Color Selection:
Most available cars are base models or undesirable colors (notably, “puke brown”). If you want specific trims or colors, it’s months of waiting.
Nostalgia for the Sales "Game":
John reminisces about when negotiation was part of the experience and when dealers fought to make a sale:
Financing Quirks and Tricks:
John discusses odd incentives to finance, even when he preferred paying cash.
Tom Brady Clones His Dog:
Discussion pivots sharply as John reveals that Tom Brady publicly admitted to cloning his beloved dog Lua.
Ethical and Existential Cloning Questions:
The crew debates whether cloning pets—or even humans—is ethical or creepy, referencing pop culture (Pet Semetary, Jurassic Park) and real-life cloning businesses.
Would You Clone Yourself—For the Kissing Knowledge?
A long, comedic riff ensues about the hypothetical: If you cloned yourself, would you kiss yourself (or more)? The crew banters about ego, technique, and what it would feel like to be both the kisser and the kissed.
Tom Brady’s Motivation and the Fear of a "Brady Army":
John speculates, only half-joking, that Brady is testing cloning on his dog to pave the way for creating more Bradys—whether for football legacy or personal pleasure.
Further Tangents: Celebrity Kissing Techniques
The group humorously assesses coworkers' and celebrities' likely kissing abilities just based on their lips, speech or demeanor.
| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |:----------:|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:30–18:40| Modern dealership experience & car buying frustrations | | 18:42–22:38| Nostalgia for car-sales "games," and John’s dad vs. salesmen | | 24:59–31:44| Tom Brady’s dog cloning, ethics of pet cloning, and company news | | 33:06–38:59| Would you clone yourself? Hypotheticals about "kissing yourself" | | 38:59–44:36| Playful rankings of coworkers’ kissing prowess | | 46:31–50:46| Cloning in pop culture; fears of “Brady Army”; self-awareness |
This episode offers a sharp, comedic—but occasionally earnest—reflection on how technology and changing attitudes have stripped rituals (like car buying) of their old thrill, alongside a wildly entertaining exchange on celebrity ego, science, and the unimaginable future of cloning ourselves (and what weird knowledge about ourselves we’d pursue if we did). Thanks to the hosts' quick wit, everyone from car dealers to Tom Brady gets roasted, and even the weirdest questions—“Would you kiss your clone?”—are addressed with the full force of the Morning Sickness team’s irreverent humor.