11-12-25 - Emailer Asks If We Get Credit For Out Of State App Listeners - Golden State Killer Was ID'd By His Freakishly Small Junk As Brady UTurns The Show With His Oral Rape Argument - Loving The New Vince Gilligan Show Pluribus As We Discuss Hive Mind

Summary

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Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona

Episode: 11-12-25 – Do Out-of-State Listeners Count, Golden State Killer’s Infamous “Identification,” and Loving Hive Mind Sci-Fi

Date: November 12, 2025
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Brett Vesely, Dick Toledo

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the crew fields an offbeat listener question about counting out-of-state app downloads, launches into dark comedy about the Golden State Killer being identified by his extremely small penis, and rabbit-holes into an outrageous debate about sexual violence. The latter half is a sharp turn: Holmberg praises Vince Gilligan's new show Pluribus, digging into its provocative "hive mind" themes and how streaming TV has changed fan conversations.

The discussion jumps from irreverent, boundary-pushing banter to genuine reflection on groupthink, individuality, and TV culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Do App Listeners from Out-of-State “Count?”

• Listener Email: Cameron from Florida, a long-time fan, asks if out-of-state listeners on the app matter for the show’s ratings and ad counts.
  • “Do you get any credit from the Bob’s for out of state interactions on your app?” (03:34)
• Holmberg’s Response:
  • Out-of-state downloads count toward app numbers, but are not eligible for local contests/prizes.
  • He encourages listeners to “blip the numbers” by getting more people in Florida to download:

    “Get all of Disney World to download our app… Our Bobs will start going, ‘This isn’t just a local show at all!’ They’ll lose their minds!” (03:54)

• Running Gag: If their bosses (“the Bobs”) saw weird spikes in states like Florida, they’d panic and possibly make irrational programming changes.

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2. Digression: The “Bobs,” Toddler Beds, and Local Radio

• Multiple jokes at the expense of their management, the “Bobs.”
• Holmberg’s dream:

  “One of the radio Bobs has to get talked off of a bridge… The Orlando thing was a ruse!” (07:11)

• Comedic riffing: the Bobs are described as short, childish, easily spooked.

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3. True Crime & Tasteless Comedy: The Golden State Killer’s “Micro Evidence”

• News Angle: Joseph DeAngelo (the Golden State Killer) was finally ID’d in part due to witness descriptions of his extremely small penis.

  “His penis was so small, it was an identifying thing...the size of a very small pinky finger.” (08:24)

• Hilarious/Horrific Recounting of law enforcement trying to get photographic evidence:

  “There's nothing to photograph. There's nothing here. The hair is covering it up.” (09:06)

• Deeply irreverent debate: If you had to be raped, “that’s the guy you want doing it”—delivered with signature shock humor.
  • “If I'm going to get raped, that’s the guy I want doing it.” (10:13)
• The conversation drifts into the mechanics and psychological horror of sexual assault, but always with their over-the-top attempt at gallows humor and boundary pushing.

Notable Quotes:

• Holmberg:

  “If you’re gonna get raped, that’s the guy you want to do it... Kind of like if a dog starts grabbing your leg...just let him go.” (13:10, 27:24)

• Brady:

  “I know it’s wrong, but the term ‘violent oral sex’ together, that’s… biting, really weird...” (25:03)

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4. Podcast’s Infamous “Left Turn” — Brady’s Oral Rape Argument

• The show spirals into an absurd, awkward, and intentionally uncomfortable riff about the logistics and trauma of various types of sexual assault, especially “oral.”
• Rich & Brady riff:
  • “What if he’s just orally raping the person?”
  • Holmberg: “Is that even rape? I would enjoy that...” (11:54 - 12:13)
• Jokes about “tender rapist” (a mock band name), and misappropriating trauma discussion for dark satire.
• Reaffirmation that these are jokes and not endorsing or minimizing victim experiences.

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5. Serial Killers & Psychology: Penis Size, Power, Insecurity

• Holmberg posits that many serial killers have some physical or “button dick” issue driving psychological trauma or power issues.

  “I honestly think that most serial killers have a penis issue. A small penis will drive a man mad.” (18:13)

• Brady fact-checks (via Gemini AI):

  “There is no scientific evidence or data to suggest that most serial killers have small penises.” (19:48)

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6. Conversation Swerves: Ed Gein, Michael Jackson, and “Identifying Evidence”

• Analogies drawn to Ed Gein’s infamous sexual guilt and Michael Jackson’s alleged unique anatomy.
• Holmberg on identification:

  “They took one of Michael Jackson’s wiener because they said it had moles on it...” (21:29)

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7. Showcase: Vince Gilligan’s New Apple TV+ Series “Pluribus”

• Holmberg’s Excitement (28:13 onwards):
  • Proclaims showrunner Vince Gilligan’s (Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul) genius—calls both among the top 5 TV series ever.
  • Pluribus features “hive mind” premise where most of Earth is linked via a synthetic DNA change from an alien signal. Only a handful are immune.
  • Explores groupthink, loss of independence, allure of total peace vs. sacrifice of individuality.
• Plot Explanation (30:44-34:45):
  • "Almost all of Earth—save 10 people—are linked, knowing each other's thoughts, skills, histories."
  • Immunes can cause catastrophic harm simply by not “going along”:

    “She realizes she’s the biggest mass murderer in the world… when she lashes out, millions die.” (32:49)

  • “Falling in line” is depicted as euphorically peaceful; resisting independence is fraught and lonely.
• Themes:
  • Allegory for AI:

    “Phone is sort of that... all of man’s history plus every bit of knowledge of today and tomorrow, in your hand.” (34:45)

  • “Hive Mind” & Individuality:

    “Would I be the independent…or would I just fall in line…? I’d fall in line; it would be awesome.” (34:05)

  • Philosophical Reflection – on relationships, marriage, socialism, collective mind:

    “It's nonsense to be one. You can't. That's the point of the independent brain and body. You just cannot be one.” (37:27)

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8. TV Culture: The Lost Art of the Weekly Debate

• Holmberg misses “water cooler” TV culture:
  • “We used to talk Better Call Saul every Monday… That's what's missing from society: commonalities of entertainment.”
• Weekly releases encourage discussion, theory-crafting—vs. binging, which can tire you out:

  “There's nothing worse than when you try to binge something… You're tired of these characters after two hours.” (39:53)

Notable Quotes:

• Holmberg:

  “It’s good to have a show where Game of Thrones, each week you got a new thing—we all can kind of unite.” (46:13)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Holmberg to Cameron (listener):

  “Thank you first of all for hanging with us… I beg of you, wherever you work, just say… download this app and lie to your co-workers in Orlando.” (04:05)

• Holmberg on the Bobs:

  “They’re human mosquito bites. They just bubble up… they get a rash. They’re insane people.” (05:45)

• Regarding Golden State Killer:

  “They say it was the size of a very small pinky finger… The DA had to get on his knees and take a photo… but grew frustrated after several attempts: ‘There’s nothing to photograph!’” (08:24 – 09:06)

• Brady, fact-checking serial killer claims:

  “There is no scientific evidence… that most serial killers have small penises. The motivation for such crimes is rooted in complex psychological factors…” (19:48)

• On TV Bingeing:

  “If you get two [episodes], you’re good. Third one… you start getting tired. There’s a reason movies are two hours…” (39:33)

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Important Timestamps

• [03:34 – 05:16] — Listener Q: Out-of-state app numbers, “blipping” the ratings, trolling the bosses with fake Florida downloads.
• [07:57 – 09:11] — Golden State Killer identification, the infamous micro penis, DA’s photo struggles.
• [10:13 – 13:24] — Absurd debate: if “that’s the guy you want” if facing sexual assault, boundary-pushing dark humor.
• [18:13 – 19:48] — Serial killer psychology, penis size, Brady’s Gemini fact check.
• [28:13 – 37:00] — Pluribus discussion: plot, themes, hive mind, AI allegory, individuality vs. collective.
• [39:33 – 46:13] — Streaming culture, the lost art of TV “water cooler” talk, binge vs. weekly anticipation.

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Tone & Style

• Tone: A raucous mix of tasteless humor, sarcasm, and sudden genuine reflection—sometimes veering wildly off course, always reverting to the classic morning radio “shock jock” irreverence.
• Style: Rapid-fire banter, never afraid to take a “hard left” into uncomfortable territory, but often self-aware and quick with disclaimers when jokes skirt the edge.

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Summary

This episode is vintage Holmberg’s Morning Sickness: weird, fearless, and unfiltered. Its first act revels in inside-baseball radio antagonism and true crime sensationalism before launching into a tastelessly comedic exploration of sexual violence—gleefully bold but always flagged as “just jokes.” The second act shifts to a sincere, in-depth look at Apple’s new sci-fi series Pluribus, with the hosts dissecting its parallels to AI, collectivism, and how television has lost the unifying power it once had in pop culture. The episode is equal parts outrageous, insightful, and—at its heart—a love letter to the communal experience of good TV.

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Recommendation:
If you like your morning radio fast, loose, and somewhere between Howard Stern and an existential debate club—this is an episode to catch (or at least discuss with your co-workers). And don’t forget, “Winning” is your 7am promo code!

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

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[Larry McFeely]

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[Brett Vesely]

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[John Holmberg]

You've been deceived by an agent of Satan himself. He's evil. Sitting right here.

[Brett Vesely]

Come on.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, he's not. He's not evil. He's just a bit rude. 98. Matter of time. Police show up for that guy? Yeah, Matter of time. It's 701, where if we only knew. We only knew what really went on. Matter of time. We got a guy we work with. We're almost positive it's gonna end up. There's gonna be like 18 cop cars, all the lights on.

[Brady]

Oh, the Netflix special in 10 years.

[John Holmberg]

And we'll all be sitting in weird lit corners of rooms going, no, I didn't interact with him.

[Brady]

A shot of us coming into the room to sit down on the chair.

[John Holmberg]

And his co workers didn't have any idea. Or did they? We asked them, what did you know? I. Honestly, I. I found his. He was weird, which I never expected he'd kill. No, I don't have that or did you actually, actually we talked about it. Oh. Ryan says all those end of times people like your dad that as soon as the world goes to crap have to know that I'm just gonna kill myself like you, John. I wouldn't survive another economic recession. I'm not waiting in line at Walmart to check out. I'm not waiting in a bread line for a handout and I'm sure as hell not trying to outlast my neighbor for pool filter water. I'm not hoarding. People like that can't comprehend that my gun's gonna have one bullet. And as soon as APS says hey, the grid's down and it's probably for good, I'm done. Yeah, it's a fact. You take away tv. Just go to bed early. Like if the TV stops working when. Well, guess I'll just go to bed. It's 6:30am I supposed to entertain myself. I don't know how to do that. This is great. We got the word for 7am Winning. Winning W I N N I n G. Winning is the 7am code word to take it in the app. Phoenix, Moscow and you can get winning in your code box. Qualified to win another thousand bucks. Cameron emails and says Dear Mr. Jonathan Holmberg. I'm not a Jonathan, but it looks good on paper. I moved to Orlando in 2018. I lived in Arizona for 21 years. I've listened to every single show since I was a senior at Corona del Sol. Go Aztecs. Do you get any credit from the Bob's for out of state interactions on your app? I assume I'm not eligible for any contests and stuff. I just wanted to know if I count in your app numbers. I love you always, Cameron Garcia.

[Brady]

Yes, 100%.

[John Holmberg]

And here's the thing, Cameron, talk everybody in Florida, wherever you said you're from, into doing okay. This is awesome. Get all of Disney World to download our app. Just stand out and do it. It will confuse the BOB so much that they'll start targeting Orlando for something they're so stupid that they'll actually like have a campaign to get some massive amount of listenership in Florida.

[Brady]

Got to send people to Disney World.

[John Holmberg]

They won't know what to do with it and they'll create something out of it because they react to everything that blips they, they move. So if we can do some false blipping, send the Bobs and some wild goose chases, that'd be fantastic. So Cameron down there in Orlando please, thank you first of all for hanging with us for I don't know when you were a senior in Corona, but 21 years and probably a good long time you've been listening to us. I beg of you, wherever you work, just say, hey, do me a favor. Download. Download this app and lie to your co workers in Orlando and say I could win $10,000 from this radio station. If I do, I'll split it with you. If you download the app, you're not going to win anything because you're in Florida. You're not allowed, you know, but just say, that's my station over there in Arizona. They don't know. And then you create, like, this crazy amount of blips of people in Florida, and our Bobs will start going, huh? We couldn't believe what you're seeing with numbers across the country. This isn't just a local show at all. There's plenty of people in other places. They lose their minds over that. They'll lose their minds over it seeing.

[Brady]

Our download numbers in Florida, and they'll react.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe we should put John on in our Port St. Lucy station. Oh, yeah, do that. I'll be a. I'll be a handful there when you come down and meet the affiliates in Port St. Lucie. No, Bob, no, I'm not going down there. But we put you on there. I'm not even Zoom calling. I had no. I had no. Pay me. I'll do it till it fails, and then we'll stop. They react to everything. They're human mosquito bites. They just bubble up the minute.

[Brady]

Human history.

[John Holmberg]

The minute. Yeah, the minute something happens, they get a rash. They're insane people.

[Rich]

But, please, you're not up for, like, the Fort Myers Squares.

[John Holmberg]

Not changing a goddamn thing.

[Brady]

Why does he call it Guadalupe?

[John Holmberg]

I learned that from Okeechobee Square. I learned that from Jonathan Brandmeier back in the day when he. He was big on KZDP when I was a kid and moved to Chicago and just became a massive radio guy. And KGGP's like, well, he's ours. We should have him back. And the dude told them, I'll send you my show, but I'm not doing anything for this. Like, I do a show for Chicago. Said I do a show for Chicago. He's like, all right. So you would listen to it and be like, hey, it's Johnny B. And blah, blah. And he'd do a thing. He's like, all right, let's take a look at traffic. Although Dan Ryan this morning, they talk about Chicago traffic for, like, four minutes, and it didn't work. And he Was like, I don't care. I'm not breaking my neck for Reno or St. George or Las Cruces or Port St. Lucie. I don't care. I live here. I want to be here. That's the beauty of radio. It's locality. But we do have a lot of people listening in other states, a lot. So if all of you could do us that favor, you would make the Bob's lose their minds. And that's all I care to do. In my last five years here. That's all I care to do is make one Bob end up in a long jacket or like something crazy.

[Brady]

Let's go for all of them.

[John Holmberg]

One Bob. Here's what I. Here's my dream. One of the radio Bobs has to get talked off of a bridge. That's it. Like there's a big. There's a massive police presence. Like he's on. He's just hanging. He's not really going to do it.

[Brady]

You want your own Bob Ray situation.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but I want him just standing on the edge of the bridge going, I swear to God I'll jump. Like, no, no, come back in, Bob. It's okay. The Orlando thing was. It was a ruse. Why has he got to be such an asshole? Don't worry about him right now. He's out of your life. And then they bring him back in, put one of those weird silver blankets on him and stuff him in a car. And that's the last we see of that Bob. That's my dream of the bops. They put him in one of those little children's beds in the back of those ambulances. All the Bobs are about 3ft tall. Children's bed. None of the Bobs are tall.

[Brady]

Toddler bed.

[John Holmberg]

All the Bobs are toddler.

[Brady]

Ambulance.

[John Holmberg]

All of them are little and they're all weird. Speaking of little and weird, did you see the. The news on the Golden State Killer?

[Brady]

No.

[Rich]

Oh.

[John Holmberg]

You don't want this news coming out about you. And this is. I want. I've said this about serial killers.

[Brady]

Did we?

[John Holmberg]

Often. I don't remember.

[Brady]

Let me look. Yeah, anyway, sorry.

[John Holmberg]

Golden State Killer is. It's a. His name is Joseph d'. Angelo. If you're looking. Joseph d' Angelo is the Golden State Killer. He's brought to justice. And why. And it all just came out because if his. His penis was so small, it was an identifying thing. They say it was the size of. Of a very small pinky finger. That was what people like it was. That's gonna drive disturbingly micro. The Sacramento County District Attorney Thien Hole. In his new book, the People vs. The Golden State Killer, the focus is on Joseph D' Angelo's little penis. He's writing about law enforcement obtaining circumstantial evidence that corroborated the victim's testimony with Joseph James DeAngelo's weiner Brady.

[Brady]

I don't know Bob Ray, but if.

[John Holmberg]

I had to picture Bob, that's what I'm seeing. It looks like the Golden State Killer. It said because of this testimony, the DA had to get on his knees and take a photo of DeAngelo's genitals, but grew frustrated after several attempts, threw up his hands in exasperation and said, there's nothing to photograph. There's nothing here. The hair is covering it up. He was directed to spread his legs and pull back the foreskin. So they knew and they got the money shot with the camera. It proved how small his manhood was. Smaller than the circumference of a dime. Length was equal to the tip of a pinky finger. Circumference of a dime. He killed 13 people and I guess, quote, raped 50 in horrific crimes. But he wasn't arrested until 2018 because DNA. The weirder part is, I guess, I suppose if. I mean, at least for my money, if I'm going to get raped, that's the guy I want doing it.

[Brady]

Wait, what?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah, okay, you know what? I'm sorry, like, if I'm. It's a terrible, terrible thing, but it's like, oh, God, not this. And you're like, oh, this isn't so bad. He's just kind of bouncing off me. Oh, you're. And then you just put out the noises you're supposed to put out. Kind of like my truck makes fake noises through the speakers. Terrified. Ah. Are you done? Oh, what a violation.

[Brady]

Kid is supposed to detect trauma.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It's like if we do a rape kit, you're. You're. You're fine. No, I'm not. It was terrible. No, no, no, no.

[Brady]

I know the psychological.

[John Holmberg]

The event was a miserable nightmare. But, you know, silver lining here, Christine. I mean, if it's. If it's going to be anybody, but I think all serial killers have something wrong with their wieners. That's a big thing. I think there's a.

[Rich]

You don't think one of you is.

[Brady]

Like one of those kick, kick me, huh?

[Rich]

Such a small package. One of the guys that sitting. The person kicks him in the nuts. Fetish. It's fetish.

[Brady]

You go to weird places.

[John Holmberg]

Wait a minute. You don't. You don't participate with the rapist. You do you want me to kick you in the nuts? I'm just going to start running if I can kick.

[Rich]

Still, if you felt like you were forced to do that.

[John Holmberg]

Well, sure, if you had a gun and kick me in the nuts, that I would have charged for. But here's the thing.

[Rich]

You know, other stuff you don't have to.

[John Holmberg]

That's attempted murder, though. If. If I'm kicking. If I'm kicking you in the nuts, that's going to be a never ending kick. If I'm fighting that hard and this dude's got a gun to my head and I can kick him in the nuts, guess what? I'm throwing loads more than just kicks to the nuts. I don't know how that happened, but.

[Rich]

But I'm saying he, you know, or he's not even using that. Maybe he's just orally.

[John Holmberg]

Huh?

[Rich]

Orally raping the person.

[John Holmberg]

Is that even a rape? I would enjoy that. The guy's like, if you don't.

[Rich]

You don't want someone down there and they're doing it. That's rape.

[John Holmberg]

That's a rare, rare thing for me. Boy, that's a strange.

[Rich]

Why is that strange?

[John Holmberg]

Somebody, you'd have to get wood.

[Rich]

What rape is.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying. He's gonna blow me.

[Rich]

Yeah, he's doing it.

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Rich]

Because he was only raping women. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Rich]

But I'm just so he's going down maybe, you know, I'm not sure what you're getting.

[John Holmberg]

That's an easy fight right there.

[Rich]

Yeah. He's not using his sword.

[Brady]

Well. Because there's nothing to you. But the reason they use their sword.

[John Holmberg]

Is so they can dominate you.

[Brady]

Dominate you.

[John Holmberg]

You're not in a dominant position. That's the old Patrice o' Neill joke about how Mike Tyson was innocent because the girl admitted that he performed oral sex. And he said, mike, he said, you can't. That's impossible for the rapist to go, all right, shut up. Nobody can hear your cries and shut up, bitch. You don't do that. Rapists very rarely are. Like, let me please her, man.

[Rich]

Well, yeah, that's not even that. That's. What if you're tied down and they're doing well, sure.

[John Holmberg]

Then we're talking. He's more than likely. All right. You can't defend what you're talking about as if, like, this is like a rape. Everything about it.

[Rich]

Defending what? That. That wouldn't be rape.

[John Holmberg]

Not for me. I would Enjoy it. If I got hard and the guy was going to blow me, I'd be like, wow, this is the best ra.

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[John Holmberg]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness.

[Brady]

I mean, yes, of course I agree with you, but I think the in the number of instances where that may have happened.

[John Holmberg]

And also, you've drifted way off course here we were talking about something real and I don't know where this came from. What if he's just orally pleasing them? Like, I guess it's a bad day.

[Brady]

Kicked in the nuts.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you're just in an awkward spot. Thank you for.

[Brett Vesely]

For that.

[John Holmberg]

But yeah, I mean, if somebody's like, all right, take your pants off, I'm going to blow you like, ah, okay, let me see what I can do about my end of that. Yeah. Orally pleasing a woman if you've already tied her up and stuff, it's torture. You're way beyond like, what we're talking about. But, you know, he's raping and running, torturing, so that's kidnapping. It more than likely killed them. Yeah.

[Rich]

Shut up.

[John Holmberg]

Nobody can. Do you like that kind of little Stop. Is it delicate? Am I being too rough? Num, num, num.

[Brady]

So he uses the tiny button.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you know, well, that's what he was doing. He's spreading the DNA. Yeah, I don't know you're angry about that?

[Rich]

Well, no, because how would you trade?

[John Holmberg]

Like, huh.

[Rich]

Toledo said there's a trauma kit put on there.

[John Holmberg]

A rape. Well, that's what they call it, a rape kit. Yeah. It can still tough from DNA and you know the girl's story. We're not diminishing the rate part. Yeah, but I. All I said was before you went crazy was if it's gonna happen, at least in my world. And then that's the guy want doing it, you know?

[Rich]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

If I want a guy with a dime circumference, end of a pinky penis to be like steel dominating me. Oh yeah. Way over that guy.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

As terrifying as it would be, it's like, yuck, this is disgusting. But I'm no worse for wear.

[Brady]

The guy's raping you from the doorway. That's a different thing, right?

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

If he's got you. Help me with this. No, I don't. I don't want to do that. Shut your mouth. No one can hear you cry. Are you doing what? All right, I'm gonna let this part pass. Yeah. Because if he's raping me down there with his mouth, I could kick the crap out of that guy.

[Brady]

Kicks, squeeze.

[John Holmberg]

Just a couple hammer fists at the top of the head and you're pretty much in charge of that couple elbows. Oh, yeah. Oh, you can just. You do some dominating.

[Brady]

I mean, I know that that's.

[Rich]

You could. But if you're tied up, sure.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's. You're talking about something that's. That's way down there. Like, that's a whole different bag of beans there.

[Rich]

Well, I'm just.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Oh, he is definitely that.

[Rich]

But.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but you're just assuming something that wasn't down on the story that maybe he did tie people up and perform oral sex. That's.

[Rich]

Yeah, because we don't have any details like.

[John Holmberg]

Well, let's not make them up completely. We didn't know we raped him. But you're just saying he's at a, you know, little foreplay, maybe some candlelight. I don't know. I don't know how weird it got. I'm just saying that if I'm going to get raped by a pee pee, let's stay on course. That's the one I want to. That's the one I'll take.

[Brady]

We prefer our rapes traditional.

[John Holmberg]

I don't like mine to last too long and I like them.

[Brady]

I like to venture off course into.

[John Holmberg]

Sit and chat afterwards too, because I'm tied down. So how's your day. It was good up until a few minutes ago. It could be better, I guess. You know, I got to be honest with you. Your penis is a dead giveaway. I'm going to turn you in. Oh, no, you're not. I'm gonna murder you. Well, then it's more than rape. But thank you for the oral sex. You're welcome. I'm a tender rapist. Wasn't Tender Rapist a song in Aries? Yeah, yeah.

[Brady]

Bob my Brown.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's a terrible story. But to be identified as your dime circumferenced end of pinky finger penis. And that's your get. That's how they caught him. And a guy taking a picture of my wiener turn and going, I can't get a shot of it. We gotta have him do some work. That's just terrible. But I honestly think that most serial killers have a penis issue. A small penis will drive a man mad. I think a lot of the times those guys have something wrong with them down there that makes them feel sexually inadequate, which is why they do what they do, especially for power over women. Because I don't know. I don't know that I'd have made it very long in life with a button like that.

[Rich]

Tough gig.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, on those are the ones that I'd be like, I'm just gonna swap out. I forgot.

[Rich]

I'm not gonna get married.

[John Holmberg]

Well, you're certainly not gonna get again. Where are you going? What do you mean I'm not gonna get married?

[Rich]

Like, if you had that, sure.

[John Holmberg]

Yes. You're not even worried about marriage, I don't think. I think you're worried about anyone ever liking. Yeah, no one will ever like you. And then he's got this resentment. That's why I said I. You just switch out at that point. I understand the whole. I think I'm just going to go be a woman now because I wasn't. This is an easy transition. Be worse if you had like a long set of scrotum balls and stuff. Now you got that just. You just look like you've got a turkey neck hanging off the middle of you. Kevin says, do you think Brady's brain is active when he makes bizarre comments like that? I'm positive he's not thinking about the question before he asks it. But we're glad he does.

[Brady]

It is true, according to Gemini, there is no scientific evidence or data to suggest that most serial killers have small penises. Criminological studies have not found a general link between penis size and the propensity to commit serial murder or sexual crimes. The motivation for sex. Such crimes is rooted in complex psychological factors and not typical physical attributes.

[John Holmberg]

A lot of goofy going on. But I have a feeling something about their penises have either been, you know, mentally, that they're. It's the dirty work. Like, that's the Ed Gein thing. You know, it's just using that thing for any pleasure was just terrible. His mother and God told him that every single day. And so he was, like, fighting the urges of, like, but I want to use it. So she caught him beating it and then just turned it and putting women's pants on, because that was the closest he could come to a woman.

[Brady]

He wasn't beating it.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, Ed Gein.

[Brady]

Oh, Ed Gein. I thought you were talking about the Golden State Killer.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure the Golden State guy. Oh, it was like a DJ scratching a record.

[Brady]

Yeah, that's more like it. He beating it in. In my turn.

[John Holmberg]

He tried a few times. He knew where it was. When the photographer's like, hey, I need you to do something, he's like, here, I'll get it out.

[Brady]

Well, you know where your urethra is, right? That's all he had, apparently.

[John Holmberg]

And I know how to make that work. You work your equipment is what I'm saying.

[Brady]

So for I. I didn't know this part of the story. I know you said that the last gal came out, but part of his identifying properties in all of the cases.

[John Holmberg]

Where every case said, he is disturbingly small.

[Brady]

Yeah, small.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, super small. That became evidence. And then when they caught him, and they're like. With DNA evidence, they caught him. And then they're like, all right, we need to take some pictures. Because all the. All the women say, you got a little. They took one of Michael Jackson's wiener because they said it had moles on it and stuff.

[Rich]

What?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And that wasn't Michael's. Remember when he did that thing? They took photos of my penis.

[Brady]

When did he say that?

[John Holmberg]

It was on that TV show that he did.

[Rich]

One kid claimed that they.

[John Holmberg]

They could identify his dick, saying, point out. Well, he talked. You know, he talked about the details of Michael's penis and Michael. Remember Michael did that. He was on a TV show where he sat down for 30 minutes and. And explained his side of it. He bought time on tv. I've been through so many different things, and they. They took photos of my penis. Everybody's like, ew. Because the one kid said, this is what it looks like. Trust me, I'm Right about this. And they're like, we got to take some pictures of that thing. So they did.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So you got a button dick on top. It seems like it would be more of a struggle. Snuggle would be a better legal term for it than.

[Rich]

Yeah, basically dry humping.

[John Holmberg]

Said, I worry about Brady after the Bob Ray situation. Do you notice he had a lot of scenarios that weren't being talked about? He brought up during the conversation like, he's been in some situations. He's a good guy. But let's keep an eye on Brady for a couple of days. Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah.

[Brady]

Can we go deeper with Brady? Brady, no offense, but is there an experience that you'd like to talk about.

[John Holmberg]

Like to bring up here, of the unwanted oral sex? Kept happening. Why do all these Ohio State fans keep blowing me for tickets?

[Brady]

Sorry, Brady. But, boys, check Brady's recent Internet history. There is something going on.

[John Holmberg]

Something ain't right. That was a drastic left turn. We didn't see that coming. Yeah, it's all right. Don't get angry. It was a left turn, but it was. Oral sex is a left turn. When you're talking about the Golden State Killer, it's definitely a stranger. And with rape in general.

[Rich]

Sure is. But if someone doesn't want it, you're getting arrested for us at a left.

[John Holmberg]

Turn because it's very difficult to perform.

[Rich]

Your side is saying, oh, well, if it's oil sags, it's fine.

[John Holmberg]

No, I'm not. First off, welcome to the show. These are jokes.

[Rich]

Thank you. Well, well, kicking in the ball start off.

[John Holmberg]

No, I didn't know that because it came out of left field. That's what I'm talking about.

[Rich]

The. All the videos we see these guys that get off. I can't imagine a guy with a big piece of. And we've seen both.

[John Holmberg]

That was the explanation. You said, he had a sign says, kick me. And I'm like, huh? And then you went left field on getting kicked in the nuts. I'm like, well, that would be interesting. But if I'm kicking him in the nuts, that's an easy out. All I'm saying is, and I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying it's hard.

[Brady]

You skipped the on ramp and went to the expressway.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And it took us for a left. It's very hard for oral sex, unwanted oral sex to actually occur. Most people will fight that off. Then you bring in the caveat of, well, he tied her down. Well, we're. Now we're on step 12. Yeah, it's totally different now, but if Toledo came over here just gung ho about blowing me, we're getting. We're scrapping, and it's going to be awfully tough for him to get down there. And also, if I'm a wreck during the scrap, I get questions my own.

[Brady]

Self about me, things I've learned on this show. Giant penis size gets celebrated on a podcast. Small penis size takes itself on an off ramp.

[John Holmberg]

No. Old NFL wife goes on and goes, well, we had to divorce because he had a pinky sized dime for a penis. No. You hear about the three Coke cans? Sure, sure. If you go outside right now and manage to perform oral sex on a woman, you're probably going to jail. But it's more for the tackling and violence than it would be. And then he tried to perform oral sex. Then I got out from under that. That's an easy win right there.

[Brady]

I just, I'm. And I know it's wrong, but the term violent and oral sex together, that's biting really weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Now it's not oral sex anymore. It's just cannibalism.

[Rich]

Right, Right.

[Brady]

I just, I. My brain doesn't see it that much.

[John Holmberg]

I want to watch it. I got to be honest with you. I want to watch. I want to see that lay down.

[Brady]

Oh, we're getting in trouble for this.

[John Holmberg]

Probably. Look. Yeah, it's all right. Well, I'll pay it. I won't, actually. Yeah, see, that's where. That's where we're driving this way. And then it goes over here and you're like, whoa, that's interesting. And you got to try.

[Brady]

I apologize to every victim ever, but.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, no, don't do that. That's. Don't do that stuff because now you're making it worse. Yeah, just go with the run with the jokes, dumbass. I'll handle this. Go back in your room. You turn the wild left like that. And then. And then you gotta. I gotta try to steer it back. So winning is the word for the promo code. This morning I was just talking about the small penis of the Golden State killer. And next thing you know, oral sex, rape comes up. And that's not something I'm. That's very common.

[Brady]

Thank you, texter. Texter has given us a visual. That's his hand in a dime.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my God.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

That is a dime and a pinky next to each other. That's what the dude was packing. Thank you for that. That is a good visual.

[Rich]

So.

[John Holmberg]

Man, oh, man. Huh?

[Rich]

How do you rape with that piece?

[John Holmberg]

That's what we're saying. It's the best.

[Rich]

Why I was drawing.

[John Holmberg]

No, he didn't follow the beginning, which was, if you're gonna get raped, there's the guy you want to do it. And then you brought up oral sex somehow. I don't know how that happened. He's probably doing that to Himberg's morning sickness. I don't know that he was trying to give him great pleasure. Rape isn't about the sex. It's not about the act of lovemaking. It's about the power involved. That's why a guy with a little one can climb on top and go nuts and rub that little bean up against and make you.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

My point was, if it was happening to me and he pulled his pants down and I'm like, oh, I would fake a few scary noises and then just let him finish.

[Brady]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Kind of like if a dog starts grabbing your leg like a cane, Corso decides to hump your leg, you're just like, ah, Just let him go. Yep, it's off. He's not gonna bite me, is he? No. When he's done, he leaves. Okay. It's just crazy. It's bananas. By the way, Brian Hanson would like to say that he just drove by the Rebel Lounge and December 6, violent oral sex will be live at the theater. So if you want a great family. Violent oral sex, the jazz band, the Vos. Yeah, I like that. Vos is solid, people. Always. You know, if you don't have the writing right, it looks like VO5, and they got sued for that, but it's VOS. It's pretty outrageous. Good stuff, by the way. I'm on something that I love, which is Pluribus. Have you started watching that yet?

[Brady]

Have not.

[John Holmberg]

The new Vince Gilligan show is on Apple.

[Brady]

How many episodes are out?

[John Holmberg]

Two right now. And this is what. I love that.

[Brady]

So it's weekly. I can catch up already.

[John Holmberg]

I'm angry at Paul who works with us, because Paul is a guy we watched. It's Vince Gilligan who did Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. In my opinion, two of the top five shows that have ever been made. Maybe Breaking Bad is number one Sopranos or Better Call Saul's. Number one Sopranos and Better Call Saul are just outrageously brilliant television. So it's. Any argument made for any of those shows being the best ever? I'm fine. The wire's up there. You get all those arguments. I'm like, yep, you're not wrong. There's no there's no quantifying it. It's just personal taste. Pluribus is Vince Gilligan's new one with Ray Seehorn. She was in Better Call Saul. And the first two episodes are very, very interesting.

[Brady]

Is it X Files? Because they very much to his. His roots.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. But I keep like I'm again subtext because those stupid teachers ruin me for watching stuff normal. It's, you know, it's. The first two episodes are awesome if you haven't seen it. I'm not giving anything away, but Paul across the way. We used to talk Better Call Saul every Monday or Tuesday after we both watched the episodes that come out weekly. Like, okay, this is out on whenever it was Monday nights. I don't remember morning when it aired. Oh, we would watch it and lose our minds on Tuesday, you know, analyzing all that we knew and what's going to happen next. And it was just great talk. And that's what's missing from societies. The commonalities of entertainment or just general commonalities. We're all just fractaled off into these spaces of I'm not here, I'm not on episode three, blah, blah, blah. So I go to Paul, I'm like, I'm starting Pluribus tonight. I'm hearing a lot of good things. Are you going to watch? And he goes, nope, I'm gonna wait for all of them to come out and I'm gonna binge it. I'm like, ugh, then we can't have anything. I can't talk to you about it. And we got so much out of the talks that we had when Better Call Saul was on after each episode. And Paul is a meticulous. So he's great to watch this stuff with and have water cooler talk. So anyway, that sucks.

[Rich]

But it's all little Easter eggs in the.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, Paul was really good at like just the details of little things. Not even Easter. There are some Easter eggs in this though, like Wayfarer Air and stuff like that. So anyway is based on the idea that, you know, these guys watching the planets and stuff down there at the satellite the. They call it. What is that? The VOS or. No, that's what the band we just talked about. There's the. All those satellites that run across New Mexico have a very large array. It's the VOA they called. Very Large array.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And it's just tons of satellites on train tracks. They can move them around. There's like 100 of them. Anyway, so it's down to Mexico. They go there first and A guy says, I found something. And they get this code from space. And, like, this is clearly communication. And they put the code in, and through the code, they figure out how to make what they're telling them to make, which is a synthetic, like, DNA. And it spreads. It's like a. It's like a virus, right. So it spreads everywhere. And right now we're at the point where. And there's no giveaways here. Right now we're at the point where almost all of Earth, say, for like 10 people are on board with this virus. That doesn't kill you, it just makes you. It puts you in a link to every brain on the planet. So they become a we. So metaphorically, they're saying, we all say, we should be one, we should work as one. Well, this is taking that to the next level of saying, here's what that looks like. We work as one. Everybody knows what everybody else's history is, what they're, you know, everything. So it's almost like Waymos. When we finally get all autonomous cars, they'll communicate with each other.

[Brady]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And they'll all know where the other ones are. Yeah. On the road. And that's what it is with people. So Ray Seehorn is one of the immune ones, and she's trying to keep her independence and individuality rather than just fall in line, which is the metaphor of we're all mono thinkers. We fall in a group and we don't have secondary thoughts. We don't ask questions. We don't. We just all fall in line. And the beauty of it is, is that they make the falling in line part look pretty euphoric. Like everybody's at peace.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

There's no fighting. They're all happy. They're like, I know everything. You know, if you're seven or eight years old, you can be a. An astrophysicist, a doctor you can do. You can perform open heart surgery. They make a line about that and they go with it. And then. So Ray wants to meet, and they're very kind. She wants to meet the other people who are immune to it. And so she said, I want to meet him. Because she's like, fighting back. And every time you get mad at one, all of them faint and some die. So she's technically been responsible when she lashed out at him for like, 22 million deaths.

[Brady]

What?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, because she's like. She screams at him, like, get out of my way or get off of me. And physically. And they just don't like the confrontation. So they. So one feels one One drop. They all drop, and it's an overload on it. And then a few of them die. But, like, in a world of 7 billion that she asked, how many people did I kill when I did that? And. And she's like, well, like, 11 million. Like, oh, my God. And then she does it again later, she loses her temper and gets him again. And she realizes she's, like, the biggest mass murderer in the world. And so. But they're still trying to help her. And they're like, we haven't figured out how to get the immune ones to our side, but when we do, we'll talk to you about it. So they're just doing nothing, but. So she meets the other ones, and they're kind of like, this is great. I asked them for anything, and they give it to me. The one dude wanted to. They were all meeting in a. In a location together, and the. We sent them, and he's like, we're waiting for one more. And they go. I was like, well, he had a very special request for a specific aircraft. And they're at the airport, and then Air Force One lands, and this dude gets out. He's. What's up? It's like, he's. They'll do anything we ask. It's like, this is amazing.

[Brady]

So she's found other immune people.

[John Holmberg]

So, yeah, she asked the we. I want to meet the other ones. And then they pause for a second. She goes, we've all agreed on it.

[Brady]

Wow.

[John Holmberg]

And it's like, we'll find. We got it. They'll come, and they all meet, and it's crazy. It's. And then it made me realize, what would I be if this were to happen? Would I be the independent? Like, I'm gonna fight this, or would I. I know exactly what I'd be. I'd fall in line with the Wii, because it would be awesome.

[Brady]

Can I be bummed for a minute here? Is there only. Since it's on Apple tv, is there only gonna be, like, six or seven episodes? I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

No, it's four seasons already. Vince Gilligan does. Oh, so they've already. They've already agreed. But the first two episodes of the first show that. The first two episodes, I'm not like, meh. Maybe like, I'm in, like, this was really good. I don't know if it's four seasons.

[Rich]

If the first season goes well. Yeah, it's planned, right. Because a lot of times they can. It just doesn't get any ship.

[John Holmberg]

Well, it doesn't matter if it's planned or not. They just basically gave Vince Gilligan this because they're like, you do it. You've kind of got a great. Yeah, you've kind of given in the past and we're going to trust you on this. And people are right. There's an email that says it's an allegory for AI. It really is, is that I will have all the knowledge. It already does. And once we all tap into it, the ones who are left out will be individuals who only know what they know rather than know everything. The phone is sort of that, you know, it's got all of man's history plus every bit of knowledge of today and tomorrow. Yeah. And you're in the palm of your hand. I don't think we realize how much we're walking around with. So, yeah, it's kind of got that metaphoric feeling of like, I will have connection to all of it. And if it all becomes that humanity as it. Because they all become basically AI bots and humanity will stand alone as sort of the last of the human way.

[Rich]

There's a religious undertone in that too.

[John Holmberg]

As well, some of it.

[Rich]

People falling in line and the ones that are, you know, going against the system.

[John Holmberg]

What's everything about mono thought, you know, even prior. Yeah.

[Brady]

Like a texture said, it's hive mind is what they.

[John Holmberg]

Hive mind. It's unreal and it's such a great thing. And I realized, I think I'd. I think I'd be one of the people that wants to be a hockey mind.

[Brady]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It's good. Not that I want to. I don't like. I don't want to do it now, but if it was a takeover and we all did it okay. I don't know that I'd want to fight for independence. That was. Again, like I just said, if there was an end of the world thing, I ain't gonna shoot my neighbors for water. I'm not standing in line for bread.

[Brady]

So this isn't in an apocalyptic kind of thing. It's a.

[John Holmberg]

In an odd way, it starts off like, oh, are they zombies? They're gonna kill. And then you find out, no, they're super nice right now. Huh.

[Brady]

Okay.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And then what's coming? And then we're all really nice.

[Rich]

You wiped out 22 million.

[John Holmberg]

But it isn't about. It isn't about, like domination yet. It's about everybody. Like, just uni thought and everybody is everything and they're all in connection with. Again, it is AI and it's. Well, again, I Use Waymo as the example. If all the cars were Waymo, we could go 250 miles an hour because they would be communicating with every. Everything. You could talk to the drivers and go, this dude's doing this. So I can stay off that. And we could go faster and better. Because if everyone is doing the same thing and all communicating without interruption, there shouldn't be any big mistakes. And the only thing that can screw that up is human interaction.

[Rich]

They kind of sell it. You know, when you get married, basically, you want to be of the. Well, yeah, they say it, you know, of the same mind.

[John Holmberg]

It's the phrase, we are one.

[Rich]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

We are of. But nobody actually is. But what if you were. You strive to be, but you can't. It's. It's nonsense. It's nonsense to be one. You can't. That's the point of the independent brain and body. You just cannot be one. You can be connected and you can be pretty similar, but you can't be of the same mind.

[Rich]

Now we'll say, well, you know, you can try to be on the same page, but also embrace the fact that you might not be.

[John Holmberg]

Well, also embrace that you're different people. You're different trying to be one. You see, a lot of your friends end up being half shells of themselves because they've just caved on every. Everything they used to be. But that isn't caving. Like, you absorb everything she knows, she absorbs everything you know, and then you live in harmony. It's different than just trying to do it. It's a. It's a fascinating thing, and it is. It's the allegory for AI and it's, what would you do? Are we better off with all the convenience? But there's no fighting. Everything's peaceful. There's no reason to fight Holmberg's morning sickness. But then again, you can argue that it's like, well, that's what, on paper, socialism's supposed to be. We're all even. We all know the same things. We all do this. It's crazy. But it's such a good show right off the bat. It is, at least. But I haven't been locked on something this quickly. And my favorite part is the episode again. New one comes out on Friday, so there's actually anticipation again. And I don't have to sit and go, oh, I'm not going to watch anymore. Like, there's nothing worse than when you try to binge something. You get tired of the show you like because they're always on. I Tried that with Game of Thrones and I'm like, I can watch two of these if I get to a third one. A, I'm the laziest prick on the planet. B, I'm tired of these characters after two hours. There's a reason movies are, are two hours long is because after a while you're like, I'm sick of these people. You don't even want people in your house for three hours, let alone, you know, written.

[Rich]

It is kind of nice to watch two or three episodes. Sometimes, like I jump back into the Mayor of Kingstowne.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, if you get two wins, you're good.

[Rich]

Third one, you start getting started again.

[John Holmberg]

You start getting that third one in.

[Brady]

And you're like, we did that with Landman. When everybody started talking about it, we caught like four episodes on a weekend night.

[John Holmberg]

It's just two minutes. I love Billy Bob. I don't want to have four hours solid of Billy Bob and give me a couple. And I'll take a break and give me some anticipation. Where's the Anticipate Carrot on a stick Goliath?

[Brady]

His show on prime is really good.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I like that one.

[Brady]

That was good.

[John Holmberg]

But I don't want to sit and watch 14 episodes unless I'm sick.

[Brady]

No, no, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.

[John Holmberg]

But give me a week to absorb what I watch, think about it and do stuff and talk like this. And then another one comes out. Oh, this gets better. And anticipate from.

[Brady]

And then I had a hard time following it from. From talking with people who really liked Severance. It was that way where they waited a week before the next episode came.

[John Holmberg]

Out and suck it in.

[Brady]

And then the people who liked it that found each other were really talking about it a lot.

[John Holmberg]

It's good. You go like a Pluribus. It's on Apple. It's pretty cool.

[Rich]

And some of those, you know, you get past the season, then the next season does come out for another year.

[John Holmberg]

And you kind of forget, oh yeah, it's too much. And then you binge in a weekend.

[Rich]

Now I got to go back and review it. Or if there's a.

[John Holmberg]

Because you didn't. Because you quick studied instead of actually taking it in. That's Pluribus is pretty solid. Watch that thing because it does. It starts. You start asking your own questions in your own mind, like, which would I do? Because it looks pretty good. But you know, coming up the bike here, there's going to be a twist that is like, ah, being in the mix of this thing is going to lead these. Whoever sent this message back to go. All right. They're all. All we have just one thought. They'll all think it. We. It. It's minimal work to make them do our bidding to become slaves. So there's a lot coming. It's.

[Brady]

John, no offense, but if we all got hive mind, I'm gonna get tired of you jerking off.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And that with that. Imagine seven billion of them. You know I'm not the only one, right? So there's like we all.

[Brady]

At a scheduled time. You think.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Where everybody gets.

[John Holmberg]

And you have all their thoughts. You have. Think of this. Oh no. You can you. If you want to tap into mom's brain for a second.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I knew when mom rubs the. You got all her thoughts in there too.

[Brady]

Can you.

[John Holmberg]

Even when they're dead.

[Brady]

Can you?

[Rich]

Because it is amazing when they first.

[John Holmberg]

Whenever you tune in five minutes. If I think, okay, Toledo is like. I can go right into like I have all your thoughts and all your. And all your feelings and everything. And evidently that's fine. But everything's a recorded. Basically. It's not recorded on like, I'll say that, but I want to be literal with it. But it would be as if your brain was a database and recorded everything ever that's happened to anyone. And you've got it, John.

[Brady]

Is Kim Wexler a waif in this one too? I needed her to put a little.

[John Holmberg]

Meat on those bones and she's in good shape. She's fine. She. I don't think she was ever a waif. You have. You like them big. Because Kim Wexler was never a waif.

[Brady]

I didn't see her as a way.

[John Holmberg]

No, I didn't either. Like Ariana Grande is a waif to me.

[Brady]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Kim Wexler's a healthy person. You like. You like a girl who's. You got a buttered doorways. Evidently. Anyway, the thing about the hive.

[Rich]

The queen.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Everyone knows to protect her or you know when to do it. But then each role that you're saying the relief would be, oh, I'm. I'm a worker be. I'm the drone.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. No, this is. Everybody has everything anyone else has in their brain. If you're a doctor, I know everything you know and I know everything you've been through. And I've got it with everyone on the planet except 11 people. And it's just we're all one gigantic. It's AI all one gigantic brain. And we know and can do anything we want together. And it was kind of an interesting thought. And at first. On first blush, you're kind of like. It's kind of interesting. I think I might be joining in on that because you know everything, but you're not different. There's no uniqueness to anyone. Maybe physically there is, but that's. It was pretty cool. It's a good. It's just. I mean, for two episodes to, you know, kind of grab you that quick. It's pretty awesome. This one says, what about the people on the other side of the planet who are sleeping. How do you fall asleep with 3.5 billion people's thoughts? You don't. You don't have that. You have access to it. Oh, okay. It's not like you're just constantly ravaged with everyone's thoughts. You. You can. You just know what you know. It's. Your brain knows everything. And if you think, oh, Brady, I can. I know what he knows. Everything you know I know. And everything I know, you know. It was interesting. It was pretty good. To Waymo. It's basically Waymo. That Waymo car knows what. That Waymo car knows. And if they're driving next to each other, if they're the only two cars, they can go 5 million miles an hour and never bump into each other.

[Rich]

They.

[Brady]

You know, there are people that say that 75% of Tesla's value is in the fact of the information that the cars gather on a daily basis.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but this isn't about that. This is just basically like we're all in the same.

[Brady]

I'm saying, because Tesla is the same way they. They will each other.

[John Holmberg]

Right. And eventually, if we're all doing that autonomously, it will go. And then the one thing that can screw it up is a human being who's not on the page trying to go 200 miles an hour with them.

[Brady]

Is that the end of creativity? Is that the end of.

[John Holmberg]

Don't know.

[Rich]

Well, maybe it's better.

[John Holmberg]

Have you seen what AI is doing with music?

[Brady]

But. But is that pretty great creative of AI or is that the creative of the input?

[John Holmberg]

It's creative of the AI at this point because it's got all the knowledge to do it.

[Rich]

But enjoyed by humans.

[John Holmberg]

Why can't it be enjoyed by AI?

[Rich]

I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

That's right. We don't know.

[Brady]

So it would be saying. But I still think that the. The. Because the genius is in the person.

[John Holmberg]

Who gave the price as we know it. Why are we. Now again, the. The Homer conundrum kicks back in here. The Arrogance of man thinking we've got this figure out what if it's better that way.

[Brady]

Way, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And we're fighting it. Because I'll tell you right now, knowing everything on the planet versus what I know now, one. One way is kind of the end.

[Brady]

Of discussion, wouldn't it? Because everybody would know the answer.

[John Holmberg]

They seem to figure that out. Watch it. You're going to love it. It's just. It's. This is the type of stuff that just the conversation about it starts, then you watch.

[Brady]

I want to have the discussion.

[John Holmberg]

It's intriguing. I'll say it's intriguing. And that's what I want is between episodes is to talk somebody else watching it and going, oh, yeah. And then if this happened to them, what would you do about that? And then you get on to, like, the story.

[Brady]

Jesus, it won't end 15 years ago. Coming in, talking about the Sopranos episodes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, more than 15 years ago because it ended in, like, 2005. So. Yeah, it was great. Those were great. Breaking Bad, all that stuff. It's good to have a show where Game of Thrones, each week you got a new thing. We all can kind of unite. That's a good show. Trust me on that one.

[Brady]

John, God damn it. How does your first masturbation thought go to your mom and not do a little.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't say it was a masturbation thought. I said, you know, when she's jerking off. Like, if you wanted to tap into mom and. And say, what's Mom's history? You. You'd get it all. You get her first boyfriend, you get everything. Is that good? They bring that up in the show, too. It's like he, your son, can now tap into if he wants to grandma's thoughts and see everything she's seen and know everything she's known. Is that good?

[Brady]

It's a good question. Does Pluribus have anything to do with the show? Does the name meaning.

[John Holmberg]

It's many. Know what means many?

[Brady]

Oh, okay.

[John Holmberg]

It's Latin for many or all.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And so, yeah, so this is the Borg come to come kind of. Yeah, yeah. That's a Battlestar Galactica thing, isn't it? I don't know. It's great. It's a good show. Watch that. Let's get a wake up song.

[Brady]

One more thing, John. This is the dumbest thing ever. I am against this. I'm already taking my fat shots now I'm gonna have to have Brady's thoughts about food. This is the stupidest thing of all time.

[John Holmberg]

I am out you can control both. If Brady's thoughts are intrusive, which they kind of are already, you can stop them by saying, yes, that is Brady and I understand it. But you're at peace with it because you have access to everything. It's to you to. To grab it. The world's a filing cabinet and you choose what you want, but you just know there's no threat. It's all peace.

[Rich]

There's no anger arguing that.

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So everybody knows everything already. So you're kind of like just having chats about stuff that interests you and. Oh. And see that.

[Rich]

Which is.

[John Holmberg]

And they weird to. Right. Of course it's weird. That's the fun of it. It's pretty good.

[Rich]

Your mind around.

[John Holmberg]

Sure. Yeah. But when you see the difference in way they're presenting it, it's pretty awesome. It's pretty good. Yeah. Wake up song is brought to you by our friends at Action Ride shop over there. Power and McDowell is out there on Saturday enjoying the gang up there. Josh and the crew and everybody who was up there screwing around. I think Jennifer downstairs bought herself a bike. She's now part of that. Running around on e bikes on the canals and stuff like that. You want to get that? We're going to get some snow this weekend according to the weather. We'll see about that. So now ski season is officially upon us. Thanksgiving's a couple weeks away. Start planning that. But you got to get ready for it and head over to Action Ride shop a little bit north of the 60 on Gilbert and get your ski stuff already they've got you covered for anything you want to do outside. Action Ride shop is ready to go. Action. Actionrideshop.com what do you got on the big board there, Toledo.

[Brady]

How about this one? Lincoln Park. Castle of glass for Kirby's new hobby.

[John Holmberg]

Her new glass bong. That whole house gonna look like organ stop pizza with all those pipes that she's gonna have running.

[Brady]

It has to be dead memories. John. For Brady. He does not remember anything correctly.

[John Holmberg]

No. Well, wow. Or purposefully he corrects the memory.

[Brady]

The rooster from Alice in Chains. Stone Temple Pilots. Cracker Man. Bullet for my Valentine. No easy way out for your discussion. Now about hive mind. She builds quick machines for hive mind immediately.

[John Holmberg]

There it is. I like that velvet revolver. O.B. we're late. See, that's your fault, Rich. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Mead Lawson says I will discuss this show with you weekly, sir. All right. You got a deal, buddy. That's. That's happening. Because I. Hopefully it stays good. Vince. Gilligan has earned that because Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul were so well thought out that, you know, it deserved discussion after each.

[Rich]

And you can dive into plural bus without having those. It's a total opposite.

[John Holmberg]

Well, he's a sci fi guy, so. Yeah. I mean, it's not. But there's.

[Rich]

You don't have to have Breaking Bad.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I mean, if you liked it, you're gonna catch a. Like, the airline they were on was Wayfarer Airline. And that was the. That was a common tie. That wasn't a fake airline. That was in the other series. That's just a cookie, but you won't have any. They're in Albuquerque. But that's just where he films his stuff, so it was pretty cool. That's a good show. Two episodes. I won't say it's going to be great forever, but that's what we used to do. You don't have to. Don't blame me if you don't like it either. It's just not. Everybody's gonna like it. I do. This is a good one here, too. A velvet revolver already? Jeez. This thing is 18 years old and I just read it. The album was called Libertad and I saw Tard. I saw Libertard. I switched the R's. Libertard, we'll call it. She builds quick machines. It's 98. It's not weird.

[Brady]

It's pretty cool, actually.

[John Holmberg]

No membership feed. I have heard enough of this.