11-13-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - Thoughts On The Cardinals QB Situation And Do The Suns Feel Like They Like Playing Together - Dale Reluctantly Threw Gender Reveal Party For His New Grandchild

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Holmberg's Morning Sickness – Arizona
Episode: 11-13-25 – Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae
Date: November 13, 2025
Main Focus: Arizona Cardinals QB Situation, Suns Team Chemistry, Dale Hellestrae’s Reluctant Gender Reveal Party

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Episode Overview

This episode features the gang from Holmberg's Morning Sickness (John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo) joined by their regular Thursday guest, former Dallas Cowboy O-lineman Dale Hellestrae. The crew dives into the current quarterback woes of the Arizona Cardinals, the recent vibes of the Phoenix Suns, and Dale’s reluctant participation in his family's latest gender reveal party. All is delivered in the show’s signature tongue-in-cheek, irreverent style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Arizona Cardinals’ Quarterback Mess & Coaching Concerns

• Cardinals’ Current QB Situation: The hosts and Dale discuss the ongoing dysfunction at quarterback, the fallout from recent games, and how the team may be entering another period of uncertainty.
• Coaching:
  • Dale argues the importance of coaching, referencing how QBs like Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold have succeeded in better systems after floundering elsewhere.
  • Discussion turns to Jonathan Gannon, the Cardinals’ head coach, who Dale and John believe may be on the hot seat soon.
• Money and Contracts: The pitfalls of massive quarterback contracts are dissected; with Dak Prescott as an example, they argue most big-money QB deals don’t deliver championships.
• Kyler Murray’s Future: Debate centers on whether Murray has played his last down for Arizona, given his contract, injury issues, and the team’s likely rebuild.

Notable Quote:

• “I unfortunately think the Cardinals are going to bury Jonathan Gannon in the next few weeks. I hope I’m wrong, because I’ve been wrong about that team every week of the year.” – John Holmberg (11:15)

Timestamps:

• [08:47] – NFL trade deadline/potential QB changes
• [10:47] – Jonathan Gannon coaching for his job
• [13:00+] – Cardinals O-line struggles and lack of running game
• [15:00] – Kyler Murray contract/cap discussion

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2. Phoenix Suns: Team Chemistry & On-The-Court Joy

• Impressive Wins—But Against Bad Teams: Suns have been dominating weak competition, sparking cautious optimism.
• Team Chemistry:
  • Dale points out, “They look like they enjoy playing with each other.” The crew observes the team’s movement, smiles, and “bench energy” as evidence.
  • Grayson Allen’s hot streak and interaction with teammates is a major talking point.
• In-Game Breakdown: Despite new chemistry, old habits sometimes resurface, such as fourth-quarter collapses when play reverts to “stand and watch Devin Booker.”

Notable Quotes:

• “They’re almost like baby scorpions. They shoot too much venom into everything.” – John Holmberg (18:50)
• “They look like they enjoy playing with each other … They’re hustling.” – Dale Hellestrae (19:20)
• “Every shot…That was the Grayson Allen night he broke all the records. They were losing their minds. … I turned to my buddy Jordan, ‘This team likes each other.’” – John (21:47)

Timestamps:

• [18:32] – Suns discussion begins
• [19:17] – Team chemistry vs. last season
• [21:06] – Grayson Allen’s three-point record & bench energy
• [21:47] – Observing Suns’ bench camaraderie courtside

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3. Dale Hellestrae’s Gender Reveal Party: Reluctant Grandpa

• Reluctance & Embarassment: Dale reveals he attended his daughter’s gender reveal party only for family unity, poking fun at gender reveal trends.
• Humorous Anecdotes: The group jokes about awkward moments (e.g., the “pink handprint” meme), and the absurdity of the pressures placed on men to participate in modern pregnancy rituals.
• Philosophy on Pregnancy: John offers a signature irreverent take, saying pregnancy is “the simplest thing in the world,” and rails against the commercialization and social hype (baby moons, showers, gender reveals).
• Troy Aikman Story: Dale tells a story of Cowboys players showing up at a baby shower in the ‘90s—including Aikman accidentally crashing a neighbor’s house.

Notable Quotes:

• “Gender reveals are for girls too. … Grandpa, you don’t—I just…” – Dale Hellestrae (25:24)
• “Let me speak for everyone. No one wants an invitation to your baby reveal. Not a human being alive says, that’s…” – John Holmberg (34:02)
• “Why do you have so much disdain for humans?” – Dale (27:41)

Timestamps:

• [23:19] – Granddaughter’s gender reveal story
• [24:23] – John’s irreverence about the meaning of gender reveals
• [29:28] – Dale/John sparring about attitudes toward pregnancy
• [31:08] – Cowboys players at the 1992 couples shower
• [34:02] – Holmberg’s rant against gender reveals

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4. Lighter Moments, Banter, and Memorable Jokes

• Cats vs. Dogs: Early banter over pets, masculinity, and the supposed “gayness” of ordering risotto.
• Holmberg’s Rant: Multiple humorous rants against social conventions, with the line, “Women want to be victimized by pregnancy, and they want it to be a victimization,” and commentary on victimhood culture around motherhood.
• Future Planning: John jokes about “maxing out credit cards and murder-suicide” as a retirement plan.

Notable Quotes:

• “Because if that were true, Brady would be the gayest man ever. He’s eaten everything.” – John (07:39)
• “It’s not biblically … it’s not a human life till it’s like two years old. They don’t count ‘em in the census.” – John, tongue-in-cheek (24:46)
• “Women want to be victimized by pregnancy, and they want it to be a victimization.” – John (29:37)
• “That’s right. I got a racially mixed garage between Jeeps and Fords now.” – John (03:22)

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Memorable Moments

• [05:21] – Holmberg’s Weimaraner dog vomit impression (brief comic relief)
• [07:09] – Banter about masculinity and “gay foods”
• [21:47] – John’s on-site observations of the Suns bench energy
• [32:09] – Troy Aikman lost at the neighbors’ house on his way to the baby shower

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Flow & Tone

The episode blends sharp sports analysis with irreverent, often politically incorrect banter. Dale is the foil to John Holmberg’s relentless contrarian and oft-cynical worldview. Personal life and sports are seamlessly intertwined, marked by recurring jokes about modern social norms, masculinity, and the absurdities of contemporary fan culture.

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Quick Reference: Timestamps for Key Segments

• [08:47] – NFL trade deadline & QB talk
• [10:47] – Jonathan Gannon’s future
• [13:00+] – Cardinals’ O-line breakdown
• [15:00–16:30] – Kyler Murray’s contract/quarterback options
• [18:32] – Suns team chemistry begins
• [21:06, 21:47] – Grayson Allen & Suns’ bench energy
• [23:19–25:00+] – Dale’s gender reveal stories
• [29:28–34:02+] – Rants on pregnancy/gender reveals

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Summary

This episode is a quintessential slice of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness: sports commentary that’s equal parts insider and outsider, irreverent social critique, and genuinely funny storytelling. The Arizona Cardinals’ quarterback controversy and likely coaching change is analyzed with both insider and fan perspective, while the Phoenix Suns’ rejuvenated chemistry earns rare optimism. All this is anchored by a relatable (and mock-worthy) tale of generational culture clash around gender reveals, delivered with wit and the edge that defines the show.

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[E]

You've been deceived by an agent of Satan himself. He's evil. Sitting right here.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

No, no, he's not. He's not evil.

[E]

He's just a bit rude. Oh, here we go. It is Thursday morning. David Jolly's Great. I enjoyed that a lot. And it's nine o' clock and I haven't given you the word yet. The nine o'. Clock. Big money. Big money is Wallet. Wallet.

[C]

How do you spell that? Brady.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

X, Y. I think you spells it J, O, H, N. Wallet.

[C]

Who. Whose Hindenburg is that out there in the parking lot?

[E]

Hindenburg?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

What are you talking about?

[C]

That ugly ass Ford. Whatever that thing is. My. That thing's gonna be out of date.

[E]

Out of date? It's. It's a Heritage Edition. It's supposed to look like it's.

[C]

The Hindenburg.

[E]

What kind of reference was that?

[C]

Did you pay cash?

[E]

Top dollar for that? That is a Heritage Edition Ford, bronco. It's designed to look like the old ones and it doesn't.

[C]

That's like saying want to buy jeans with holes?

[E]

I like jeans with holes in them. Have you ever. Well, and this is from a guy who's worn the exact same outfit in here for two years. The. If you try to buy a Heritage Edition Bronco 7172, if you get one that looks like that, It'll be about $300,000. Yeah, it's crazy how much those go for. So Ford started to remake them.

[C]

I like. Yeah, but people who buy those, they're like in a museum or they like to tool around with them and yeah. Re refurbish them. And I already did all that.

[E]

It's done for me. It's modernized. I got people for that.

[C]

Brady. Yeah. You can't tell me you like.

[F]

I'm just, you know. He's in the Ford family now.

[E]

That's right. I'm with the Lincoln Ford family.

[C]

We're Lincolns, I'm Ford.

[E]

Same company.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

Yeah, but I've got it. Yeah, I've got, I've got a racially mixed garage between Jeeps and Fords now. And Jeep people don't like it and Ford people don't like it, but I got them both.

[F]

But I do like the new design cuz it goes back to the, the retro.

[E]

I think they look great.

[C]

I don't know. Our two aviators look a lot nicer than that thing.

[E]

They're nice. They're nice cars for sure. I mean for an older woman they would be perfect. But that's why you two bitties get those cars.

[C]

Good morning, fellas.

[E]

Good morning. Dale Helt, three time world champion and a guy who visits us on Thursdays is here. And it's brought to by our friends at Diamond Coatings. A Diamond Coatings. They'll take care of anything. We were talking about my basketball court. But of course, Brady's garage looks absolutely beautiful. And garage floors can be either ugly and awful like mine currently is, or they look like what Brady's got going on, which is just flat out awesome. You see somebody's garage and you think to yourself, that's nice.

[C]

I see my garage.

[E]

My garage stinks.

[C]

Yeah, it does.

[E]

My floor sucks. I hate it. I was in there yesterday moving stuff around and I'm like, I gotta call these guys. This looks awful.

[C]

Yeah, it looks poor. Well, especially when you got so many cars in there.

[E]

You got, you got loads of cars. I got to shove in there and cover up that floor. That's Why I have so many cars now, Dale, is I don't want anybody to see the floor. It can't be open spaces.

[F]

Next up, maybe you'll get one of those racks where you put one car on top and the other below.

[E]

Guy down the street has one of those. Yeah, that just seems a lot. I want that. I want that car. Yeah, it's a lot. It's like. That's two weeks in a row you've used ostentatious. You are learning words from a big word book.

[C]

I do have one question to ask you, because when we're talking about, you know, your. Your. Your court and the. And the car and try the driveway, the garage floor.

[E]

He's all right.

[F]

Got my pavers glazed.

[C]

I heard you talk about your dog throwing up. Yeah. Your dog didn't throw up on. On your basketball court.

[E]

No, he goes outside and threw up on the pavers.

[C]

On the paver, not the grass?

[E]

No, he didn't go in the grass. He threw up on the pavers. By. So, yeah, it was. It was very kind of him to do that. He could have just thrown up in the house. Yeah, he didn't. He got up and he let himself out and went over in the pavers and threw up. I didn't know he did that. Came back in, went outside and saw the puke, and then two of them went over and started to chow down on that. No problem.

[C]

That's.

[E]

I used to do an impression of my Weimaraner throwing up. You want to hear?

[C]

No, I don't.

[E]

It sounds like this very real. This is so real.

[F]

Just plowing through.

[E]

Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm proud of. I'm proud of it. I'm proud of that. One of the better impressions I do pretty.

[C]

How many dogs do you have now?

[E]

I have five dogs.

[C]

Do you have a cat?

[E]

One cat?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

What's wrong with that?

[C]

Cats. Come on.

[E]

That's your answer. Cats. Come on.

[C]

Come on.

[E]

What's wrong with cats?

[C]

What's wrong with cats?

[F]

Did you ever know Bob Ray?

[C]

No.

[E]

No. He used to. Yeah. Brady's neighbors. Want to kill all the cats in the neighborhood. He was crazy, too. You don't like cats?

[C]

You've never made up a little bit if they're out.

[E]

Here's the thing. If you don't. If you've never had a cat.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Because I. When before I had cats, I didn't like cats at all, Right. Because other people's cats didn't like me. So I'm like, is this how cats are? You go to somebody's house. And the dogs are like, yay, people.

[F]

Cat hides.

[E]

Cat's like, yeah, some assholes in our house. And I'm like. I'm looking at the cat. He's looking at me like, we're about to fight. You get a cat of your own.

[C]

And they're like, yeah, but they don't listen. They don't obey. They don't do. Come on.

[E]

They do they. Cats are different beasts. When they're yours.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

You got to get a cat. And then you'll be like, okay, this is pretty awesome. I was never a cat guy before. I got cats.

[C]

Do you let the cat outside?

[E]

We do now because he's old and he doesn't jump. He's still. He's. He was.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

And he goes in the backyard.

[F]

That's a tough one for me because I have a doggy door that I have to shut it off, cuz.

[C]

You have a cat too?

[F]

Two cats.

[E]

Yeah. What's wrong with you? Why is that so bad? Now this is. This goes back to your fear of gay.

[F]

Awesome. Dale.

[E]

This is Dale's fear of gay. I ordered vegetable risotto.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

And he, in front of the waiter, exploded.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, come on.

[E]

You're gay in the restaurant.

[C]

Like, why is food chicken? There's manly food.

[F]

How was it?

[E]

It was phenomenal. It was too buttery.

[C]

Boys too. Yeah.

[E]

I said, why don't you shove that in my ass? I actually followed up with that. That's vegetable risotto. It was delicious. It was amazing. And it was the best meal on the. On the table by far.

[C]

Johnny.

[E]

It was so good. But he thinks that food can make you gay.

[C]

Well.

[E]

And owning cat.

[C]

You didn't know that, Brady.

[E]

It's an RFK thing. I didn't know.

[F]

I don't know. I need a list of foods.

[E]

Yeah. Because if that were true, Brady would be the gayest man ever. He's eaten everything.

[C]

All he eats is meat.

[E]

Yeah, I know. And you should see how he does it.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

One swallow. He doesn't even chew it. That's good gay. That's solid gay right there. Dale Hollister. Dale is here to talk about sports. And he never does in the sports world. We're in the halfway point of the NFL. Yes. This is kind of an exciting time to determine whether or not and depressing. Yeah, In a little bit.

[C]

And you?

[E]

I was curious. I meant to ask you this. Last week, you didn't have a trade deadline when you played, but it was like week three.

[C]

Yeah. But nobody traded and nobody did It.

[E]

It's going to start happening a lot now, isn't it?

[C]

Well, I think is they moved it a little bit later in the season and teams are now willing to take chances. And, you know, the later on in the season you go, the more you know if you're in contention. Right. You know, week three or four, who knows?

[E]

You can turn it around. The Ravens were nothing for coming back now because they're healthy. So.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

They're buyers.

[C]

Yes, they are.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

They're gonna. They're gonna go ahead as you're probably.

[E]

That's fine. It's a lost season. Don't care. Just.

[C]

How about 10 Brandon Atlas in the AFC Championship? Boring. Yeah.

[E]

Not sure I'd even watch.

[C]

Yes, you would.

[E]

I'll probably keep an eye on. I was thinking the other day. But still it's Denver and Indy. Indianapolis Indiana can ruin two different sports in the same year because they got Indiana in the finals in Indianapolis. If they go to the super bowl and play the Lions. Oh, it's been worse.

[C]

It's not amazing. The one thing that we might have talked about on the podcast is the fact that here's a Daniel Jones.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Who can't throw his way out of wet paper sack when he's in New York. Right. A boss. Yeah. Can't play quarterback. And all of a sudden he's 8 and 2 in Indianapolis.

[F]

Had a couple of decent runs.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And he thinks he's all that. I mean, everybody thinks now he's all that in a bag of nuts. Sam Darnold seeing ghosts. Same in New York.

[E]

Yep.

[C]

Wins 14 games. Last year he had a sad ending to the season, but doing it. He still won 14 games. Give me 14 games in a chance. And now he's doing in Seattle.

[E]

Yeah. And he's doing great. He looks really good. So.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

It says a lot to me about scouting and coaching not being as good as people think and more important than people think. And also dudes play for money is because both of those guys are in contract years. Both of those guys played for their contract. No, I. Daniel Jones is in a. I gotta make it happen now. There's more motivation to that.

[C]

I think it's. It's more important the coaching then. The system is important because the bottom line is I don't care if the contract year. If he's still with the Giants, he would still be looking like. Yeah. Like Danny Dumb. Yeah, whatever. But, but, but Indiana Jones. Yeah. They wouldn't look like. No.

[E]

And then. So, you know. But you look at guys who are really Good. And how many times they got ruined by systems or coaches that could have been hall of Fame players.

[C]

Yeah. In the wrong spot. It's just what I'm saying is it does kind of highlight a little bit the coaching part.

[E]

Sure. And that's what a lot of us.

[C]

Let just go by the way you.

[E]

Brought it up last week. And Jonathan Gannon, I think is now coaching for his job.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Especially after last week, that debacle against Seattle after the big win on Monday against Dallas. Now you go into this week and you're like, you got the Niners. Another division game has this team either quits. This is my prediction. This is Slovis starts next week.

[C]

Really?

[E]

Because it's gonna. There's going to be just a complete meltdown of the Jacoby's got the tape out now. Now they know what they' four weeks of Jacoby. The rest of the league's watching going, all right, we got this figure there's nothing. And now Marvin Harrison's out. They're just gonna. They're phoning it in now.

[C]

Well, well, that means there's 12 passes you could throw to. Somebody could catch it.

[E]

Well, maybe that's true also, but I, I think this is it. I unfortunately think the Cardinals are going to bury Jonathan Gannon in the next few weeks. I hope I'm wrong.

[C]

Right.

[E]

Because I've been wrong about that team every week of the year.

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[C]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness. I think so too. Yes. Because again against Dallas, I think Dallas Gonna put up 50 points on him.

[E]

They held him to seven through three quarters. I'm like, where's this?

[C]

And yeah, and one of the touchdowns was a punt block punch. Yeah, the block punches in the defense. And so here's what's interesting when you talk about the Cardinals is I've always for the last couple years I've been a defender of their offensive line. I thought their offensive line line played very well last year.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And the year before had basically everybody coming back except for Evan Brown, I think as a new starter, left guard. And they can't block you, me and Brady right now.

[E]

And it's not good.

[C]

And it's. And it's really, really frustrating.

[E]

Well, it's also predictable. There's no running game.

[C]

No.

[E]

You're not afraid of Jacobe Brissette. You got to get pressure on them. So they're doing every. Every team's coming after and he doesn't move. And so it's like, why are we even worried about the running game? Just go get him.

[F]

I mean, a double non run threat.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

There's no, no real threat of the ball going past you.

[C]

Right.

[E]

And so you just get a safety to keep an eye on anything going deep. And that's pretty much the defense.

[C]

I like to watch the games on D DVR or whatever it's called because I, I can't stand all the commercial. I'll let it start and then start the game and somehow some way usually goes back to resume when I change my channels and come back and the sack. Fumble.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Touchdown.

[E]

14 nothing.

[C]

But I thought, when I saw the second one, I thought they were showing highlights. First one, it went way too far back. Yeah. No, no second one.

[E]

It's weird because that team, I think, just got plowed last week and I think this could be it. And then unfortunately, you're going to lose Jonathan Gannon and the Cardinals are now back in the swing of the Cardinals.

[C]

So again. Oh, well, you got to get your question quarterback right. You don't just snap your finger to get your quarterback right. No, you know, I mean, you're sitting there looking at Pittsburgh and I, I still think Aaron Rodgers has chance.

[E]

He's fine to leave that.

[C]

Yeah, there's a lot wrong with that, but. Right. Yeah. A lot more than just quarterback or I think the quarterback is way down the list.

[E]

It's, it's, it's in the middle, but it's not, it's not crucial.

[F]

I wonder what the percentage is of the quarterbacks that have the big contracts has worked out. It seems like majority don't.

[E]

There's a lot of them sitting on.

[F]

They got that.

[E]

You got to remember, one guy wins and everybody's like, oh, we paid 60 million. We got no championships. You got some success. But at a certain point, Jordan Love has to win a championship for all this to matter. Dak Prescott has to win a championship for all this matter.

[F]

That team strapped.

[E]

And now we go from oh, he's a bust on the field to he's a contract bust.

[C]

Right.

[E]

Dak Prescott's borderline contract bust, he's costing them a fortune.

[C]

Well, how about the guy here?

[E]

Well, sir, Kyler Murray, I mean that's.

[C]

As he played his last down for the Cardinals. And no matter what, no, nobody's going to give you anything of value because not only are you taking, taking Kyler Murray, but you're also taking that contract. And no matter how you do it, there's going to be $50 million of debt money on the Cardinals cap. Now that showed you can do it.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

That will show you can go to the playoffs.

[E]

Right.

[C]

With a 50, $60 million cap hit with Russell Wilson being gone. But you got to get the quarterback. Right.

[E]

You got to get the next driver.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

And then the Cardinals have missed on that.

[C]

So, you know, over 25 years, the only two quarterbacks that they've really got gotten correct. Curtin Carson are the two old guys.

[E]

Yeah. So if that said, if you're the Cardinals, do you draft or do you go after somebody who's waiting like Daniel Jones, who's going to cost you another 60 million? But if he comes here, if you have to be the top bidder, it's going to be $60 million. Would you do that or would you.

[C]

Start over well again. So I looked at Sam Darnold last year, I'm like, boy, that's a perfect situation in Minnesota. Yeah, I know they have the JJ thing. They want to play him. He's a young guy and, and all that, but that coaching staff seemed to really spark him.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Now you go to Seattle, is it going to be the same? Yeah.

[E]

Pretty close.

[C]

Yes, pretty close. Well, that damn wide receiver. Wow. In jig was amazing.

[E]

Yeah, amazing. The guy gets open on every play.

[C]

Yes. Yeah.

[E]

The reason why they said buy dk.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Well, we can replace you and not pay you 30 million.

[C]

And what's always amazing to me is when I look at guys like that, there's other 5, 10, 195 pound wide receivers, but they can't do what he does. Why not? He's not like he doesn't run a four flat 40. Yeah. You know the bench press £800. But he just gets. Oh, that catch he made, the first catch he made down the field.

[E]

Insane.

[C]

Cardinals people are falling down.

[E]

Cooper cup was that way.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

Hakuna matata. He's that way. There's a bunch of guys are like, why is it so easy for some of them.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

And they're doing the exact same things. It just seems like a ton of these guys that can do this. It drives Me nuts. But I'm looking at the halfway point. And at the halfway point, Dale Hollister, you're the football expert who's in the super bowl halfway point right now.

[C]

See, again, we were talking about this on my best selling, the Main Event.

[E]

It's a book.

[C]

And it's a. It's a book.

[E]

It's a podcast. People write books about it. Like how not to do a podcast with Steve McCollum. Sure.

[C]

We were talking about this. So if Indianapolis and or Denver are playing in the divisional round against Kansas City and. Or Buffalo, you're not taking. You're not taking Indy or Denver, are you. Are you in the second? Because Buffalo, Kansas City say they get in wild card.

[E]

Yeah, man.

[C]

Are you. Are you really going to take Indianapolis over Buffalo in a. In a playoff game?

[E]

Sleeper. I don't know about Patriots.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

It's just so gross. This year's gross. Can we just call it off for start over? Can we reshuffle? That's what I want to do. Reshuffle this deck. This is awful.

[C]

Another case of, hey, does coaching matter? Yes, it does.

[E]

It's just all, yes, it does. Well, I'm done talking to football with you. It's making me sad. It just sucks.

[C]

How about my Phoenix Suns?

[E]

And then you got those guys, which is another one. Now, Kevin Ray and I were at the Rah Rah Room the other night, and he started getting a little excited. And we tease him now that he said this is a championship team. He didn't. He sort of said something that made us jump to the next squares. Like Kevin says, this team's going to. Oh, no, no, no. And now we won't let him forget it. But they're playing hard. They're playing, but they're beating bad teams. Here's the thing about Suns that I do like. They're beating the crap out of bad teams. Which teams that are better than bad teams do. They're almost like baby scorpions. They shoot too much venom into everything.

[C]

They need to save a little bit.

[E]

Yeah, they need to save a little bit because right now they're playing a bad team. You're up 30 on a bad team. You're like, we must be pretty good. But then you play a good team and you shoot all that venom at first, and they're like, we can take this.

[C]

But here's the exciting thing to me, number one, they look like they enjoy playing with each other.

[E]

And they're moving.

[C]

They run around running. They're hustling.

[E]

How much did Grayson Allen hate Kevin Durant?

[C]

How much did Devin Booker.

[E]

They had to hate him. They're both smiling. They're doing whatever they want. Grayson scoring 30 a night.

[C]

Just shooting threes now from staff range.

[E]

He's driving, he's doing 360s. He's dunking. The team is totally different.

[C]

Mark Williams is exciting if he can stay healthy, but this is all without Jalen Green. Jaylen Green can't play one game.

[E]

He's their second best guy.

[C]

Yes. And now I will tell you, last night, watching that fourth quarter, they collapsed.

[E]

They're a young team. They shot all their venom.

[C]

No, you know what they did?

[E]

I didn't see.

[C]

They went back to pre Kevin. Oh, yeah. Throw the ball to Devin.

[E]

They stopped moving.

[C]

Devin dribbles. Everybody stands.

[E]

That's what me and my friend Brian said when we were watching. He said, oh, we're back to the old way. Yeah, they protected the win.

[C]

Yes. They didn't keep. And he dribbles, dribbles. Then he gets double team. Then he throws the ball away. All movement stopped. Yeah, for a little bit, but. But they found a way to, to win the game. But boy, it's got to be more. So much fun to be able to go down to the arena now. Yeah, it's got to be night and day different last year.

[E]

Last year their anticipation was there, but the team would let you down against bad teams. They'd be like, geez, this, this all star team can't squeak past the Pelicans.

[C]

Yeah, but you're telling me, honestly, you can't see when a team enjoys playing with.

[E]

Yeah. Oh, they didn't last year. No, not at all.

[C]

And you see, this year, I don't.

[E]

Know that they enjoy playing with each other. It's just better than last year.

[C]

Well, see, I, I've got some bets.

[E]

Yeah, well, yeah, the NBA is fixing all the. And the Suns are beneficiaries of that right now.

[C]

I, I'm going to push back on that because even the other night when Grayson Allen said the sun's record for three pointers, the entire bench was into it.

[E]

Well, I sat right behind the bench last game, my friend Jordan had front row seats and we were sitting behind the sun's bench. It's the same seats that my dad, Doug Hopkins has on the other side for the, for the visitors. And I always tease them, like, you overpay for these because you can't see. Not only are These guys all 7ft tall, they get to sit on booster chairs. So they're. Now they're 7ft tall, sitting down and you're right behind them so you can barely see the court. You have to watch the screen the whole time. But I will for asking what happened. Yeah, you get rules told to you. So I. So you're. We're sitting there watching this thing and every shot. That was the grace now and night he broke all the records. They were losing their minds. And that was the first quarter and I turned to my buddy Jordan. I'm like, this team likes each other.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

I don't know if they're in. They're good at playing together yet. But they like playing together. I don't know if that's going to translate into. They're still new. So it's the honeymoon.

[C]

No doubt about that. But I'm saying all that we've seen.

[E]

Oh brother, there's Toledo.

[C]

Here comes dark night.

[E]

Oh brother. If we should have that on the radio. On your right, on your car. A Toledo alert. Because then everybody in the car.

[C]

I see the eyes before you do. Well, he goes around like he's got a pickaxe and he's taking it to somebody.

[E]

Well, we have to cut for time. Yeah, but it was a good talk about sports and that's rare.

[C]

Yeah, we did talk.

[E]

We just talked. We got a podcast to do today so to save some of it for Christ's sake.

[C]

I got a lot.

[E]

Okay, we'll see. All right. We'll get rid of all that and then think of good stuff. We'll do that in the podcast. Dale Hellraise here. He's brought to you by our friends at diamond coatings az.com. get everything looking better at your house with diamond coatings az.comberg's Morning Sickness. Dale Hellistray is with us. It's Thursday morning. It's 9:40 now.

[C]

The Bronco's ugly. It is not. That is proof to me.

[E]

I have the best looking car.

[F]

You find out that's his first car.

[E]

Yeah, well he had a 1980.

[C]

Yeah, well that. That's ugly.

[E]

It is ugly. Far from ugly. Yeah, it's beautiful.

[C]

Did you pay good money for that jealousy? Is that given to you?

[E]

It was not given.

[C]

It was not given. Disturbing.

[E]

Let's talk about something before we make our fanduel picks.

[C]

Now the.

[E]

The meme you sent the other day that your son in law Scott made a joke about said something about there was a woman standing there. It was a gender reveal party and she had a pink handprint on her ass.

[C]

That's my daughter.

[E]

That is your daughter. That you are going to be a grandfather for the Third time.

[C]

For the third time.

[E]

And it's a girl.

[C]

It's a girl.

[E]

And you had a gender reveal party.

[C]

Gender reveal party? The two little grand grandkids, Graham and Beckett, they kick soccer balls. Unfortunately, Beckett's soccer ball didn't break, so she was sad. But Graham kicked it hard enough. What's weird about you kick a soccer.

[E]

Ball and they explode?

[C]

Well, yeah, you know, it's not real soccer ball. You can do the pyrotechnic, pyro.

[E]

Whatever techniques. That's gayer than vegetable resolve.

[C]

No, it's not gender reveal party. Mine is my daughter's.

[E]

I know, but you were there and probably like a pink and gray suit and.

[C]

No, but I will tell you this.

[E]

Did you celebrate?

[C]

I was excited for her.

[E]

Does it matter?

[C]

No, I just wanted to be healthy. Right.

[F]

Smoking?

[E]

Yeah. Black smoke or gray smoke?

[C]

It's like, oh, I just wanted to be healthy. But. But they like that stuff. Johnny, you never see what amazes me who likes that? As you get more excited about a cat throwing up and eating it?

[E]

Dog.

[C]

Then not a cat.

[E]

Disgusting.

[C]

But human life does not get on your Richter scale.

[E]

First off, it's not biblically. It's not a human life till it's like two years old. They don't count them in the sense. It's in the Bible. They said, don't count the babies. They're not human yet.

[C]

Read your book.

[E]

It says it right in the beginning. In the census, we don't count babies. They don't count yet. So it's not even human until it's at least two. And even then, that's barely. So what are you hosting the baby shower? No, no, no. I'm asking. I'm talking right now. Let's not divert.

[C]

No baby showers.

[E]

First off.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Why no baby showers but baby gender reveal gay parties?

[C]

Because I'm there for my daughter and son in law.

[E]

Well, why no baby show? That's their form too.

[C]

No, that's for girls. That's for girls.

[E]

Gender reveals are for girls too.

[C]

And Grandpa, Grandpa, you don't. I. I just.

[E]

What if it came out hermaphrodite? What if the smoke was yellow?

[C]

Then I'd have some issues.

[E]

So you do care.

[C]

Let's stuff it back in there. Let's see if we can't get this thing another. Another month. See, something happened.

[E]

Plug your daughter's nose and blow in her mouth. Put the apple on the stem.

[C]

But what was the weird thing is. So my granddaughter's three years old, Beckett. And. And she from day one of the Scott and Hillary telling them you're gonna have a baby.

[E]

Scott rode your daughter again and made babies.

[C]

And I've told that story. And everybody says, you're way out of line.

[E]

Why am I out of line? He's riding your daughter.

[C]

That's the whole point.

[E]

Why am I out of line?

[C]

When you were at the wedding, the comment. The comment on the golf course, which was way out.

[E]

Which was what?

[C]

I don't remember. Hey, we were in a little match, and you said, hey, Dale, you ever think about the fact that Scott.

[E]

Oh, yeah. Because the day at the wedding when he said, who here gives this woman to a new wang? And Scott's there like, that's me. And you're like, I do. And you gave the. You gave her away to get defiled by this guy Scott.

[C]

You wouldn't have been my first pick, but we got it.

[E]

But, yeah, so he got on her, finished up, put a baby.

[C]

So my. My granddaughter, who's 3, after they told her, Hillary, literally the next day, picked her up at her little daycare thing, and the teacher goes, congratulations, I hear you're pregnant. Hillary's like, oh, Becca must have said something, right? And then. And. And I hear it's going to be a girl. And Beckett, from the moment she found out, said she's having a baby sister.

[E]

Oh. She's been on it, so she's very excited. You know what I don't understand when people tell you, like, congratulations.

[C]

No, I. I didn't do it.

[E]

You did nothing. No, no. You did very little. Scott did all the work.

[F]

I think they do it because you're adding to your family.

[E]

He's not doing that. Somebody else is adding to his family.

[F]

Well, Dale's the patriarch. Yeah. Patriot.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

No, you're not.

[C]

Yes, I am. Somebody before you, nothing below me. Johnny.

[E]

You call him clown Hella. Straight O. Clan Hellister. I heard clown hellster. That made more sense. Yeah. Just when people are like, oh, you're gonna be a grandfather. Congratulations.

[C]

Why do you have so much disdain for humans? It's easy. There's a billion of us.

[E]

So easy.

[C]

So are dogs. Do you ever say that to people that have pets?

[E]

Yeah, I do agree. No, I don't say, good for you.

[D]

Got a dog.

[B]

Good.

[E]

Take care of it. I hope you have enough money because vet bills are expensive. That's what I say. I sure do. I'm like, oh, good on you. I hope that works out. And then I'm like, they're gonna give that back their pull up. And you can't give the kid Back.

[C]

Do you hang around poor people?

[E]

No, but when I see him, I point it out.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

When I see him. I hate when poor people get this for Steeler games.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh, no, no, there's none of that. And they start talking poor. We just. But no, I, I. Look, it's the. It's so easy. I think the most overrated thing as humans that we are so arrogant and wild about is pregnancy. It's the simplest thing in the world.

[C]

It's the simplest thing in the world. But here's John. I have two daughters and. And the thing that gets scary, and it's more scary now than it was 30 years ago, the fact that there are so many things that go wrong. I thought you have sex, your girl gets pregnant, you have a baby.

[E]

That's exactly what happened.

[C]

But there are so many things that go wrong. So we've added to it.

[F]

That's a racket.

[E]

Yeah, that's a racket. I'm with him because. Go to other countries.

[D]

Fear.

[E]

Yeah. They pump them out like crazy. Dogs can do it in the street and just pump them out. Nobody's worried about Tylenol or, like, autism immediately. There's things that go wrong with your kids all the time, but we've made it so difficult. You put it in, you squirt, she gets pregnant, it comes out done just like 8 billion other times it's happened on the planet. It's just overblown.

[C]

I think when it's. When it's personal to you, just like if one of your dogs was going through something, you take that a little more personal.

[E]

Sure, sure, sure.

[C]

About Brady's cat. You care about your cat. I care about Brady's cat. You told me you could care less about Brady's cat. I said that? Oh, my God.

[E]

One thing I know you and I talk about, and Brady's a good guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

That goddamn cat is. We have that talk. No, I just. I do. I. I'm fine with babies.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

They happen.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

But I just think we make too big a deal out of it. And I think it's mainly just to make sure that it's. It's basically. Women want to be victimized by pregnancy, and they want it to be a victimization.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

They start talking.

[F]

With a miscarry.

[E]

Oh, it's just. Oh, it's just so tragic what's happened to them. Oh, I'm pregnant. Oh, it's a nightmare. Well, you did it to yourself. And it's. I thought it was beautiful. Ah, the complaining. Did you put the babies.

[C]

I will Tell you this.

[E]

They get to, like, a lot of. Not everybody, but the ones that want to make it a victimization or they go on TV and ask each other, oh, how is motherhood? It's like, motherhood's the same. You, everybody. No, you're not different than anybody else who's had a baby.

[C]

I'm gonna tell you something about. Because you're spewing nonsense. But. But when you talk about showers and.

[E]

Things like, that's what I'm talking about.

[C]

So listen to this.

[F]

Baby moons.

[E]

Yes, baby moons.

[C]

Listen to this story. So. So Brooke is pregnant with Hillary, and her friends want to throw a shower for. But they want it to be a couple's shower. Now, back in 1992, couple showers were not. No. In vogue. All right? And I'm playing for the Cowboys. So invites go out. I'm getting my offensive line mates coming up to me and going, are. Are you serious?

[E]

What is happening?

[C]

We really. We really got to come to this thing because Wiser say, no. You're going, yes. You know, and.

[E]

And did you have it?

[C]

We had it. Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[F]

I had a couple.

[C]

John, you know this. You pick your battles.

[E]

There are certain battles, okay, but this is what I'm talking about with the victimization. So it's being used as a weapon. The pregnancy is. I want to do this. And you have to be involved with stuff that you used to not be involved. Men now have to be in the. In the delivery room, and all this stuff has changed. Because why'd you come away with no? Because they'll cross their arms and look at you and say, you didn't support me.

[C]

No.

[E]

So we get afraid of them and do stuff like what you did. Like, I'm picking battles here. Otherwise I'm going to catch a bunch of crap.

[C]

So let me finish the story again. Spewing nonsense.

[E]

I'm spewing facts.

[C]

So ultimately, you know, 15 cowboys showed up along with their wives, and one. I'm sorry, two single guys showed up. One of them was Troy Aikman. He decided to come, and he got back then there was no maps. He got lost. He got the house mixed up. He rings a doorbell, I think, across the street.

[E]

Oh, man.

[C]

And it's an older couple.

[E]

And there's Troy.

[C]

I see Troy in 92, you know, in Dallas, and they invite him in and they give him some tea or whatever. He's on the couch. I'm looking for the linebarger house. Oh, they're across the street. He said he had to sit there for 10 minutes.

[E]

Talking these tea and crumpets.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah, that's great. That's better than what he was gonna go to.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Which was that nightmarish baby show.

[F]

That's a nice ring you got there, Troy.

[E]

I just think we've made it a big business. Like Brady said, baby moons and all that. Just get pregnant, enjoy it, have the baby and move on. You've made it. So everybody hates it. Oh, you got everybody hates gender. Nobody wants to be invited to a gender reveal.

[C]

Pretty exciting.

[E]

Oh, for Bleh. Then you need more things to do in your life.

[F]

Did you cry? Did you cry?

[E]

I don't want one.

[C]

No.

[E]

But I'm not talking about wanting a kid. You can want a kid. Don't make it everybody else's day. Deal that four times through your pregnancy.

[C]

I gotta clear a weekend.

[F]

My sister doesn't have to go. Her daughter, she just found, is recently pregnant again. And they don't do it. They. They don't want to know.

[A]

Right.

[F]

Good mystery thing done on the first kid.

[E]

And then hopefully right before the baby.

[F]

Because they have you now program that. Oh, you got to have everything prepared.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Because you have seven events.

[C]

The whole thing is if you decorate a baby's room and it's a girl.

[F]

Get it wrong.

[E]

A girl.

[C]

And then you're gonna have another one. Well, if you're gonna have a girl, then, you know, got to get anything new.

[E]

It's just all bad. Back in the day, you had more.

[C]

Love in your heart.

[E]

No one wants. I'm just speaking for. What I have is empathy for the human race. No one wants to go to gender kindness.

[C]

No one.

[E]

You know what I say to world.

[C]

Kindness that I heard you say with that comedian.

[E]

Be nice.

[C]

Just be nice.

[E]

That's right.

[C]

Why don't you stop? Right?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

When does that start?

[E]

I'll show you right now. I'm nicer to more people right now with what I'm about to say than you guys have been the whole time. Let me speak for everyone. No one wants an invitation to your baby reveal. Not a human being alive says, that's.

[C]

Why you weren't invited.

[E]

Thank you very much. And let me say thank you to all the others who weren't either, because. And let me say I'm sorry to the people who had to straggle their Saturday afternoon away and go stand there and wait for somebody to powder out pink and then walk home and go, what a waste of time. And that chicken was dry.

[C]

No, no, no. It was just a family get together.

[E]

And they hate it too. Even they didn't want to be there.

[C]

Yeah. You talked to my wife? She's.

[E]

Your wife?

[C]

Loved it. Yes, My wife.

[F]

Talking about dudes, what kind of spread did you have there, Dale?

[C]

Yeah. You know, Brady would have gone to that beef stroganoff.

[F]

Oh, man.

[C]

All the. All the fixes. Can you eat beef stroganoff?

[E]

I can dabble. You should not eat the beef. Settle down. We're having a relapse.

[F]

I can taste it.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah. And then it turns into a big avalanche of eating. You're staying away from it. Well, congratulations on your baby showers. How many more do you have left? You got a baby shower, you got to do a baby moon. Probably have to pay for some sort of thing.

[C]

Yeah, we'll probably be watching. Watching the two grandkids for their baby.

[E]

That's right. Oh, the baby moon. It just drives me nuts.

[C]

See, that's something new. We did not.

[E]

It's just gonna keep snowballing until people like me speak out and say, enough.

[C]

It would be better if you had a kid, John, so that you could speak from experience.

[E]

Okay, I'll speak from experience of having not had a kid. It's awesome. Second enough. The baby moon, the gift giving, the parties, the gender reveals. Nobody wants to be at these things.

[C]

Where's your money gonn, John? When you're. When you're dead and dead to your wife, obviously, I have a plan.

[E]

Yeah, to spend all of it, match the credit cards, and then off myself.

[C]

And then leave that with your wife.

[E]

She's going with me. I'm. It's a murder.

[C]

Who's gonna do the murder?

[E]

That's me. I got. I don't hear any complaining. It's a great plan.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Leave it the way I found it. I showed up with nothing. I'm leaving with nothing. Max of credit, maximum.

[C]

So. So you've really.

[E]

Oh, I. I wanted to. I wanted to start about 60 and just take everything I've got, pile it up, live until it's dry. And while I still got good credit, get really good credit cards. Don't touch those. Start hammering those down to everything I need, like tickets and stuff like that. Don't pay for it. When I start getting the creditors going, you're in big trouble. Like, all right, well, we're done. So that's where my money.

[C]

Wow. So you put too much thought in things that are ridiculous.

[E]

That's not ridiculous.

[C]

Thank you. That's smart and thought about that while you're peeing.

[E]

I'm thinking about it a lot. It's an awesome story. So I, I, I roll these credits. Glorious. It's hard to talk people into that one, though. It's hard to talk somebody into a murder suicide.

[C]

I would think that would be. Especially when you got such a young, vibrant.

[E]

Well, it's. That's not the point. All right, I got to leave. All right. There you go. That's an uplifting chat about your grandkid in the powder party.

[C]

Congratulations, Hillary.

[E]

And you're giving him trouble about cats. You just did the gayest thing I've ever seen in my life. Big deal.

[C]

You'll be doing it.

[F]

Probably.

[E]

Yeah, because no man is. Yeah, he won't be alive for that. No man is brave enough to say, this is stupid because they'll use vagina.

[C]

I tried. I tried that.

[E]

So you're on my side?

[C]

I tried, but we ended up having fun.

[E]

I don't even want to hear you. That's the most hypocritical moment ever. All right, Dale's gonna. We'll do the entertainment Drill. Dale. Hell, Australia. Oh, we'll get the picks in a little bit. You settle down. It's 98. It's not weird. It's pretty cool, actually. No membership fees. I have heard enough of this.