11-20-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - How Dale Dealt w/Driving In Buffalo Weather - How Would Dale Have Dealt w/A Player Spitting In His Face - Do The Cardinals Rebound This Week And Picks For Week 12 NFL Game

Summary

Holmberg’s Morning Sickness (98 KUPD) – Arizona

Episode: 11-20-25 – Thursdays w/ Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae
Date: November 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features the recurring “Thursdays with Dale,” with former Dallas Cowboys offensive lineman Dale Hellestrae joining John Holmberg and the usual crew (Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo). The show brings its trademark banter and sports talk, focusing on Dale’s experiences driving in Buffalo weather as a rookie, football team dynamics during losing seasons, on-field confrontations (notably players spitting), the Arizona Cardinals’ prospects, and NFL Week 12 picks. There’s also a riff on the new women’s pro baseball league and banter about the local Phoenix Suns’ newfound competitiveness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Buffalo Weather & Rookie Stories

Timestamps: 04:25 – 09:00

• Dale’s “Snow Squall” Rookie Experience:
  Dale recalls being a rookie from Arizona/Texas, unprepared for Buffalo’s winter. He humorously describes whiteout driving conditions during his first October in Buffalo, learning what a "snow squall" was only after surviving one.

  “I’m driving, I can’t see past the end of my car... They’re talking about be wary of snow squalls. I don’t know what a snow squall is. I don’t know what snow is.” – Dale Hellestrae (05:05)

• Buffalo Living Commentary:
  The crew pokes fun at Buffalo’s climate and what keeps people living there, joking that the food (“wings”) or relationships are the only reasons to stay.

  “No, it's usually a woman. And it’s for dick. That’s the only reason that happens.” – John Holmberg (07:45)

• "Tan Fat Looks Better Than White Fat":
  Dale’s oft-repeated maxim about Buffalo girls tanning in cold weather resurfaces, to much laughter.

  “Here comes tan fat. Looks better than white fat, Brady. Make sure you get a tan.” – Dale Hellestrae (08:24)

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2. Football Team Mentality & Cardinals Outlook

Timestamps: 12:35 – 16:12

• Coach Tenure & The “40 Burger” Problem:
  The hosts discuss NFL head coaches and job security, focusing on how back-to-back blowouts (“40 burgers”) create a “perception issue” that’s hard to sell to fans or ownership. They agree the Cardinals are in disarray.

  “You can’t sell back-to-back 40 burgers. No.” – Dale Hellestrae (13:23)

• Impact of Losing Seasons:
  Dale shares from personal experience about team apathy as losses mount, retelling a story from Buffalo’s 2-14 season, where players would park with U-Hauls ready to bail after the last game.

  “There are probably 10 cars with U-hauls... They literally were gonna get looked at by the doctor after the game and head home.” – Dale Hellestrae (15:50)

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3. On-Field Fights and Player Respect

Timestamps: 16:18 – 21:10

• Spitting Incidents – The Ultimate Line:
  The crew discusses a recent NFL spitting incident (Jamar Chase vs. Jalen Ramsey, inspired by Mike Tomlin’s reaction), and Dale emphatically states spitting is the top disrespect in football.

  “There is nothing... more degrading than a grown man spitting on another dude.” – Dale Hellestrae (17:40)

  “You spit on me and now I go into another stratosphere.” – Dale Hellestrae (17:52)
  He reveals he never saw it in 17 years in the league, placing it well above even fighting.

• Teammate Management—“Don’t Poke the Bear”:
  Dale and John riff on how teammates manage emotions, sharing a story about Michael Irvin nearly antagonizing Reggie White on a bad day, only to be physically pulled away by Eric Williams.

  “Eric Williams, who's standing next to me, grabs Michael Irvin's face mask and yanks him into the huddle and says, ‘Shut up. He ain't got it today. Shut the hell up. Unless you want to block him.’” – Dale Hellestrae (19:44)

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4. Light Banter & Local Color

Timestamps: 21:13 – 24:51

• Listener Demographics:
  Dale jokes about the show’s listener base being unexpectedly “normal,” referencing professionals who sheepishly out themselves as fans.

  "When they admit it to me, it's almost sheepishly... ‘I really like to listen to you’ ... they whisper it." – Dale Hellestrae (24:15)

• Firefighter Tribute:
  The crew pays respects to Tempe Firefighter John Garza after his passing, encouraging listeners to buy firefighters lunch that day (23:30 – 23:53).

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5. Women’s Professional Baseball League Riff

Timestamps: 24:51 – 27:04

• Cynical yet Playful Criticism:
  The team critiques the launch of a women’s pro baseball league, noting no high school/college pipeline exists and joking that even they could get drafted.

  “Anybody with their hand up is in the draft, right?” – John Holmberg (25:09)
  “We should start to identify as women and play some pro ball.” – Dale Hellestrae (25:17)

  They recall the “Coors Silver Bullets” experiment, where retired men’s players easily beat women’s teams and mock the forced comparisons with softball.

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6. Phoenix Suns: Low Bar, But Fun Again

Timestamps: 27:04 – 29:35

• Suns’ Current State:
  Dale and John agree the Suns, though not championship-caliber, are more competitive and entertaining than in past years.

  “We’re just happy they don’t suck. And that’s a really low bar we’ve set for the Suns team and they’re living up to it.” – John Holmberg (28:09)

• Player Effort Over Ego:
  They praise the team's effort—players hustling, appearing to enjoy basketball, which is “refreshing” after past disjointed seasons.

  “I will buy into a team that is battling their tail off... looks like they enjoy playing with each other.” – Dale Hellestrae (28:41)

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7. Week 12 NFL Picks & Analysis

Timestamps: 29:35 – 31:54

• Picks Overview:
  The hosts and Dale banter through picks for the week:
  • Patriots over Bengals (Brady’s pick, played for laughs).
  • Cowboys vs. Eagles: Dale cautiously takes Dallas +3.5, citing the Eagles’ recent struggles and new Dallas defensive acquisition.
  • Steelers vs. Bears: Noted that the Steelers are 1-12 lifetime in Chicago—“a terrible record”—but John expects tight defense and perhaps a touchdown from Darnell Washington. Picks are made with friendly trash talk; the group also notes the shifting fortunes of teams like the Lions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Surviving Buffalo:

  “I don’t know what a snow squall is. I don’t know what snow is.” – Dale Hellestrae (05:05)

• On Tan Fat vs. White Fat:

  “Tan fat looks better than white fat.” – Dale Hellestrae (08:24)

• On Spitting as an Ultimate Insult:

  “There is nothing more degrading than a grown man spitting on another dude.” – Dale Hellestrae (17:40)

• On Managing Football Legends:

  “Eric Williams...grabs Michael Irvin’s face mask and yanks him into the huddle and says, ‘Shut up. He ain’t got it today...Unless you want to block him.’” – Dale Hellestrae (19:44)

• On the Suns:

  “We’re just happy they don’t suck...that’s a really low bar we’ve set for the Suns team and they’re living up to it.” – John Holmberg (28:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Content Summary | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:25 | Dale’s Buffalo snow stories | | 08:24 | “Tan fat looks better than white fat” aphorism | | 12:35 | Cardinals, NFL coaches & “40 burgers” discussion | | 15:50 | U-Haul story: how losing NFL teams mentally check out | | 16:18 | On-field spitting & player suspensions | | 19:44 | Michael Irvin almost wakes up Reggie White – teammate intervention | | 23:30 | Tribute to Tempe Firefighter John Garza | | 25:09 | Women’s pro baseball league banter | | 28:09 | Phoenix Suns low-bar/fun debate | | 29:35 | NFL Week 12 picks |

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode maintains the show's classic, irreverent, and playful tone, mixing genuine sports insight with exaggerated jokes and local flavor. Dale’s presence adds a seasoned, ex-player perspective, with Holmberg stirring the pot through jokes, side stories, and regional digs.

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N.B.:

• Commercials/ad reads were not summarized.
• Segment times are approximate, based on transcript cues.
• All quotes attributed to speaker by context.
• Summary skips promotional details for sponsors/charity except firefighter mention, which was content-related.

Transcript

[A]

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[D]

Well, who's that guy that you were talking to on the phone?

[C]

He's the best. He's got his.

[D]

He's in bed. Laying in bed. Johnny doesn't even get out of bed for you?

[C]

No, and that's what I told him. He shouldn't even made the call.

[D]

No, I mean, he was tired.

[C]

I'm having this conversation with somebody on text right now. If you're not getting paid to get.

[D]

Up in the morning.

[C]

Yeah, go back to bed. I don't understand those morning people.

[D]

Larry here?

[C]

Larry couldn't sleep and came to work at 7.

[D]

Hey, I never see him till we're done.

[C]

Dumb. That's just dumb. I told you.

[E]

He's just set up a cot in his office right now.

[D]

Yeah, just bill parcels. I mean, they just might as well.

[C]

Sleep here at night, sleep at the office. Just hate your life.

[D]

There's Some football people around here should maybe spend a little more time sleeping at the office. Well, having to pay the rest of.

[C]

The group, sort of a waste of time here when you look at it. But yeah, maybe you're right. Dale's here. Dale Hellestray, three time world champion and permanent guest of that sports show. What's it called? That sports thing. You're right, that sports thing. But although John Holmer podcast.

[D]

It says the John Holberg podcast.

[C]

Well, we want people. Look, you think you're drawing people in?

[D]

Yes.

[C]

How's your other podcast doing?

[D]

Killing it already. The main event.

[C]

Okay, main event. I'm sure it's fine already. We're way past it.

[D]

Imagine when I put it out on Twitter. If I can ever find how people can find it.

[C]

Take a look at our HMS page. It's right there. It's got its own clickable. I've been listening to you and Nash84. No, I've been listening to you and Nash bitch the whole time while they lift zero fingers about how to get this done. I got us a new studio. I got us cameras. I got us, well, cameras not for you. For full meetings yesterday about selling things and doing all sorts for the podcast that you're. All you do is bitch.

[D]

All I do is bring that to new heights.

[C]

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[D]

And as much as I do not like the Pittsburgh Steelers, that court you have in your backyard is pretty.

[C]

It's pretty awesome. I can't see. Dale's right. And it's the black and gold. You realize the color scheme is amazing. It's better than it's got.

[D]

It's still a little tack. Is.

[C]

Oh, it's got.

[D]

Because I want to go for my 360 dunks. I want to make sure I get.

[C]

Oh, Dale shooting A basketball was. It might as well been an engine.

[D]

I think you have had the hoop at 11ft.

[C]

It sure looked like it. I might have to argue the way you were shooting, getting it up about 8. It was pretty embarrassing. But yeah, they did a great job on that thing. And it feels amazing to play on, especially because it feels like a wood court.

[D]

Right.

[C]

If it gets wet, it feels like a wood cord. It's super slippery. But why are you playing basketball in the rain?

[D]

I mean, it rain. It rains what, 15 days here.

[C]

It's beautiful though.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You were just talking when you played in Buffalo, they don't give you like a tutorial, do they? They take you right out of Texas, right. An Arizona.

[D]

Arizona, Texas, Buffalo.

[C]

Buffalo. And they say meet you at practice and nobody talks to you about snow driving or anything.

[D]

Two things. Number one, I'm driving home after a practice and the stadium, because the land is cheaper, was built in a snow belt right off Lake Erie, so it could snow three feet at the stadium and it might snow foot a mile north or south. And so I'm driving back to my apartment after practice one day and I can't see in front of my car because it's. This is second week of October, my rookie year.

[C]

Oh, geez.

[D]

Second week of October. And I'm driving, I can't see past the end of my car. I'm listening to the radio because we didn't have anything else back in 1985. And they're talking about be wary of snow squalls. And I'm driving along. What the hell is a snow squall? I don't know what a snow squall is. I don't know what snow is. And I get home, my roommate who played for University of Pittsburgh and all that, and I said, can you tell me what a snow squall is? That's what you just drove through?

[C]

You were in it? Yes, at a horse and nobody knows what they're doing. And then you come here and you're like a little rain turns this place into Buffalo.

[D]

It's crazy.

[E]

Did you have the instruments in your car at the time, like a scraper or anything?

[D]

I know I had a scraper because again, you couldn't. I had an apartment back then. You can't sit in your apartment and start the car to get the heater going and all that. But the other thing, story I want to tell you about that. So I'm driving back after my rookie year in. I think this is early April for off season workouts. April I90 goes all. All the way across the country. But I'm driving on I90, getting about an hour outside of Buffalo. There's two lanes going this way, upward north, two lanes going south. About 100 yard grass, meridian in between them. It's snowing. Yeah. I got my. My truck in four high. I go about 45 miles an hour. And also I'm seeing cars facing me on my. On my side of the road. I'm like, how the hell does that happen? And as soon as I thought that, I mean, I'm on a straightaway. I'm not changing lanes, I'm just driving. Next thing I know, boom, I'm down in the median, up the other side. Car spins around, shoots me back down to the middle. I don't get hit by any cars coming the other way. I'm sitting in the bottom of this meridian going, suitcases everywhere. How did that happen? Yeah, that black ice will kill you.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, that's what we were talking about. Because, you know, you in Buffalo, well, when there's inclement weather, nobody just guns it. When the light turns green, you wait for somebody to come slide through because.

[C]

They don't stop all the time. They're just ice skating.

[E]

And it's.

[D]

Why do people.

[C]

Why do people live there? This exists. We live here.

[D]

Yes, this exists.

[C]

Why would anyone say, oh, I like Buffalo better?

[D]

I never understood the people who were born, raised, never left there.

[C]

I don't get it even then.

[D]

But it's. The ones who left, they know and decide to come back.

[C]

I've met.

[D]

It's like, come on, it's gotta be for the wings. The wings.

[C]

No, it's usually a woman. And it's for dick. They leave. It's true. That's the only reason that happens.

[D]

Seeing the people in Buffalo.

[C]

Exactly. When a woman leaves Buffalo, she's not getting dick anywhere but Buffalo because she's a Buffalo lad. She's one of Buffalo ladies.

[D]

They. My apartment, my rookie year had a swimming pool. Why? I don't know. Yeah.

[C]

In the middle of the old apartment complex. That's a hell of an apartment.

[D]

And I remember coming, walking back in late September. Whatever. It's 45, 50 degrees, overcast. There's two girls laying out. Yeah, they're laying out. And I'm like looking at them going. And that's where I coined the term. Here comes tan fat. Looks better than white fat Brady. Make sure you get a tan.

[E]

It makes sense.

[D]

Make sure you get.

[C]

He's been so proud of that phrase for so long. I remember when he first you hit me with that at a golf course where we were driving by, somebody's in their backyard, and she was big. And he goes, you know, tan fat looks better than white fat. And I'm like, man, no truer words have ever been spoken. That poor girl is trying. Yes, but she was just out there being fat and trying to make it as good as it could get. And Buffalo is the key to tan fat.

[D]

I mean, you meet a girl at a nightclub or whatever, and you don't. You. You don't know.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Are you layered? You know, I mean, is there. Is there like 5 sweater?

[C]

Is she fat or are those clothes?

[D]

Yeah, right. And.

[C]

And do you care? In Buffalo, it's just any warm body.

[E]

It gets lonely.

[D]

Well, when you. When you know, you're going back to Arizona or back to Dallas in January. Yeah. Were you? Yeah. You kind of care.

[C]

You were a single guy in Buffalo.

[D]

Yes. Oh.

[C]

Did you take advantage of the Buffalo squish? The ladies of Buffalo? Yeah, the squish.

[E]

Only on the road.

[C]

Only on the road. You didn't. You didn't touch Buffalo girls, did you? You did.

[D]

There's still some pretty girls.

[C]

Yeah. Four Buffalo.

[E]

Did you throw corn in the front yard?

[D]

Yeah. Lure them in?

[C]

Yeah. Do you have a trough?

[D]

Brady Bogan, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[C]

You know what I like. No one ever says that to me. Everybody's like, he's an you, though.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, those Bill men and women and husbands and wives of Gilbert Christian, they've got to be a just shocked to hear you say something.

[E]

They're not for Buffalo.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

They don't look like Buffalo people. They're with Brady on that one. They think they're gross, too. Buffalo's disgusting. No, it's disgusting.

[D]

Especially back in the 80s, mid-80s. Steel plants had shut down.

[C]

Everybody was poor. In fact, how do you do that?

[D]

Gross.

[C]

White. Like.

[D]

Like.

[C]

The whiteness, the fat, the. Everything just disgusting. Yeah, we'll get to that in a minute. I got a note to leave his hand.

[D]

Why is he angry?

[C]

He's always grumpy. Yeah, he is. Always screwed up his time. So let me talk to you about this. Let's talk some sports while you're here.

[D]

Okay?

[C]

Again, I'll go back to my Steelers. We'll get to the Cardinals in a second, okay? Which, by the way, my Slovis prediction this weekend.

[D]

Really?

[C]

You'll see Slovis in the game this week.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

When they start getting trounced by the second quarter, if they're down 21, nothing again in the first quarter.

[D]

Slovis, you realize the Jaguars have the second best run defense.

[C]

They're good.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

People are not paying attention to the Jets. They're a good team.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

They they have hiccups. They're not great. They're B level, but they're good.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

And they're going to come in here and the Cardinals are in disarray.

[D]

John Holmberg's morning sickness the 98 KUPD.

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[C]

Holmberg's morning sickness I think you're I think you're we'll talk Cardinals now. I think you're you're stat about no new coach has had three years without a playoff bump.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And kept his job. I think that's happening right now.

[D]

Well, here's the thing and it's there's a perception issue to where, you know, you're competitive. Like last year they were competitive. I think they went eight and nine, but they were competitive. And probably 15 of the 17 games. Yeah. You now have two back to back 40 burgers put on you easily.

[E]

By the way, the Cardinals are favored in this game.

[D]

Okay. Well, they are. Well, I'm betting that that can't be.

[C]

Why?

[D]

What tells you that? Yeah.

[C]

What in the world lets you know that? That would be a thing. And here's the other thing. They've had 40s put on them two weeks in a row. And the other team let off the gas.

[D]

Yes. Oh, there's no doubt about it. The game was over going in the fourth quarter. So you're just trying to get through it. You're not putting up any more points. But it's a perception issue. The fact that if this continues to happen, you can't resell this to your fans. You can't go, hey, we're going to make a couple tweaks, make a couple changes. You know, coming into this year, you're going, hey, we went 8, 9 last year. We spent some money on a Josh sweat and we got some other guys in more excited about the year. You can't sell back to back 40 burgers. No. And if that continues. So it'll be fast.

[C]

And also blame the quarterback. Still. When the whole fan base was screaming to get rid of Kyler, they did. They got excited about Jacoby. And then you get trounced. And he broke a record for 47 completions and whatever, but it's because he had to throw the ball 70 times.

[D]

Right. Because you got.

[C]

You're getting an ass kick.

[G]

Not favored.

[C]

No. Cardinals aren't.

[E]

Other way. They're down.

[C]

Yeah. They're two and a half point underdogs at home. He's. He's having a tough day. He's congested.

[D]

Thank you, Richard.

[C]

Thanks, Rich.

[D]

Hey, that, that, that little cold you got, you gotta fight through that.

[C]

Yeah, we need to. Yeah, we need you to push a little harder.

[D]

Come on.

[E]

The Ultimate Fighter.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Fight for two weeks.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But you're not winning. That's the best. You can keep fighting and lose. It's like when you're 0 and 12, you're not a fighter, are you? Just a tomato king.

[D]

But here. But I do want to say this because I've been on bad teams.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I was on a 2 and 14 team in Buffalo and I think I've told you stories about that.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

At some point, you know, people go, oh, you know what, you're fighting for a job or you want to impress individually, but what happens is the entire team, the lack of energy, lack of focus, lack of, hey, I just want this thing to get over with.

[C]

That's true in Little League. When you're on a cruddy Little league baseball team and you can't win, you go to the game different. Right. You can still put effort in, but it's not the same.

[D]

But you're not. You're also not playing for a job. Because I always felt hey, if I'm not going to be here, hopefully they can watch me and say, hey, he might be good enough to play for me.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But the one story I will tell you is that rookie year, last game were 2 and 13 because we finished 2 and 14 playing in Buffalo, playing Cincinnati, they were good. They had boomer size and all that crew. And I show up to the game and There are probably 10 cars with U hauls on the.

[C]

Oh, yeah, you told me.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's just a mental drop off.

[D]

Yeah. Like, oh, now all my stuff was packed. Yeah. But I didn't have.

[C]

You didn't do the visual.

[D]

No. I mean, they literally were gonna get looked at by the doctor after the game and head home to wherever they.

[C]

Were gone to get out of Buffalo.

[D]

So they were already gone.

[C]

Oh, yeah. And you see that. Visually, you're like, this is done.

[D]

If I'm a coach, I'm walking out there and going, okay, so that's his kids. You're cutting, you're gone. Yeah.

[C]

Now, speaking of that, last week I watched the Steelers, of course, and they were playing Cincinnati and couldn't figure out why Jalen Ramsey lost his mind twice. Two plays in a row against Jamar Chase. The best one, one of the best, arguably the best receiver in football.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And Jalen Ramsey is. They've pinned him down. They've locked him down. He did not have a good day. And Jalen Ramsey and him get into it and start to scuff. Everybody gets flags, offsetting penalties, unnecessary, blah, blah, blah, or unsportsmanlike, whatever. So they're like, next one results in an ejection. Well, the very next play, there's Jalen Ramsey face to face with Jamar Chase again on the Steelers huddle side. So I'm like, jamar Chase walked to this. So, yeah, the two of them are both stupid for one. Not walking away. And one. And then Jalen Ramsey grabs a face mask and throws a punch. He's immediately kicked out. And everybody's like, on my end, we're watching like, what in the hell just happened? And how did that guy lose his mind? What did he say? Well, it turns out the next day that Jamar Chase spit in his face. Mike Tomlin had the great quote that said, did you talk to him after? And he goes, all bets are off. When somebody spits in your face, do what comes natural.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is you spit in my face and there's going to be a fight. Has that ever happened? And how in the. Do you think that my plan to suspend a Guy, five games for spitting on somebody like that is that. That has got to leave the game.

[D]

There is nothing. And it's happened now at least twice this year. Yeah, at least twice this year. There's nothing more degrading than a grown man spitting on another dude.

[C]

Oh, it's awful.

[D]

You know what? You take a swing at me, grab my. But do whatever. You spit on me. And now I go into another stratosphere. And again, I love that I didn't see the Thomas said that, but I appreciate the Thomas said that. And I know that Jamar Chase is suspended.

[C]

Gotta pay a huge fine.

[D]

Yeah. And where does that come from? I don't understand. I've never in my entire life, I've been pissed at guys. I've been mad on the football field. I've never once thought, I'm gonna spit.

[C]

On you because of the basics of. I don't want that back. And especially because they were face to face when it happened. So it was in his mouth and his eyes. You lose, I would lose my mind.

[E]

That you're having a good game. Right. Or was he?

[C]

Jalen Ramsey was fine. Jamar Chase was not.

[E]

Okay. That's fine. I was having the good game. Like, if it was the other way.

[C]

Around, if it's your first day. But he's known to talk trash. Jalen Ramsey talks trash. How bad? How much can it escalate? Have you ever been on the field in Dallas where you're like, this dude's a. We're about to lose him. Like, we're about to have. We're about to.

[D]

Oh, yes. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And you, and you, and you. You grab him. You bring him over and reel him in. Yeah. I. We've had situations where Reggie White, as great as he was, as good as there is, there's. There were certain Sundays where he just. He didn't have it right. And. And that you're hoping for those Sundays so that, you know, hey, just get through it. You know, you're not going to agitate him. You're pat him on the butt. You're going to go, hey, you know, do everything you can. I've done that many times. Yeah, you're playing a hell of a game. Good job. Knowing I'm winning. Exactly. I'm not going to agitate you.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Michael Irvin comes in after running a pass. Better. He starts yapping at Reggie White.

[C]

He's going to kick your ass.

[D]

Bam. Eric Williams, who's standing next to me, grabs Michael Irvin's face mask and yanks him into the Huddle and says, shut up. He ain't got it today. Shut the hell up. Unless you want to block him.

[C]

Don't wake him up.

[D]

No. Yeah.

[C]

And it's weird because it's like that thing. What does it. I thought the same thing, and I know. The ultimate competition. NFL football's gotta be intense constantly. It would happen more if it was like. If it was something that's like. You just can't control it. That's a very controlled thing, to spit on something.

[D]

I mean, you. You. I. I've seen guys. I. I never really played dirty there once or twice where I got in situations.

[C]

You mashed guys?

[D]

Every once in a while, I found my hand in a face mask, and I tried and twist a little bit, but never.

[C]

Yeah. It doesn't even cross your mind, never.

[D]

Thought of a spit?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Because that. It's just.

[C]

No one ever did it to you?

[D]

No. No. It's just 17 years, I can't remember anybody talking about spit in. In the game.

[C]

And I can understand losing your mind and throwing a punch before spitting. Yeah, Like, I lost. I lost control, and I took a swing at a guy with a helmet on.

[D]

Did you see the offensive line? I got some text about. I forget what game it was, but somebody punched the offensive lineman, got him under the chin a little bit, but in about two seconds later, the offense.

[C]

Oh, yeah, the flop back. Yeah, that was hilarious. That was the Eagles game. Yeah, that was. That was a pretty awesome move.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And there's a lot going on there. And then, of course, the Suns, which we've talked.

[D]

Oh, we got.

[C]

We gotta go. Time. Time. He came in again. Brett's out there this morning. We gotta remind you that Brett's out this morning at Local Legends, and he's gonna be out there till about 10 for Operation Santa Claus. Look at Brett. Philanthropy. Look it up there.

[D]

Did I hear. Is it. Is this his wife's place?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh. Huh. Are they serving breakfast?

[C]

Yeah, breakfast. He's not coming back.

[D]

You're not coming back.

[C]

He's closer to his house. There's no reason for him to drive all the way back here to feed you.

[D]

Well, maybe we can do our podcast from there.

[C]

Ah, now we're talking. Hey, this isn't a bad idea at all. All right, we'll do that after. We'll go over to local legends. 10 off. We'll bring some canned food, and we'll get a discount. Brett's doing that this morning. Operation Santa Claus at Local Legends this morning. If you want to hang out with Brett for a Little bit longer. He's going to buy drinks at 10 o' clock for people he likes. The ones he doesn't, you'll know when you have to pay for your own beverage. Dale's here. We're going to do our picks in just a moment and get football and basketball and everything else straightened out. Dale Hellray is here and he's brought to you by our friends at Diamond Coatings AZ.com John Holmberg's Morning Sickness the.

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[C]

Holmberg's morning sickness Dale's with us today. He's brought to you by our friends at Diamond Coatings az. Check them out. The commercials are all over our website of my backyard, Brady's Garage. We gotta get you hooked up. Thanks. Your garage, yours looks terrible so we'll fix that. Also a little business before Dale Brett's out at local Legends on Main Street. And Sauceman, that's Matthias bar, his wife's bar and he's out there this morning doing stuff for Operation Santa Claus. He said, can you mention that Big Mikey dropped off a hundred bucks and brought a pallet of water during the water drive. So he's doing both now. He did the water drive thing and now he's dumping money off for Operation Santa Claus out there with Brett today. So thanks to Big Mikey and also Brady, you had your thing this morning. You sent me a little shout out from our friends at Tempe Firefighters. Right? It was a Tempe firefighter, paramedic John Garza. He passed away from a line of duty brain tumors funerals this morning. All the firefighters are listening. Big fan of the show. So tip of the calf to those guys and especially to John Garza. Thank you guys. We don't say thank you enough to those people as often as we should. In fact, if you see a Tempe firefighter today, if you're in the area, buy them lunch or something if they're in the areas because they, they need that. That's pretty awesome. Sorry for your loss there guys. That's no good. Yeah, firefighters Earth, that's a real deal there. That's. Those guys aren't messing around.

[D]

As much as I like to make fun of you and your listeners and I don't know why you do advertising because I think they all have, you know, they're missing teeth and sure, sure that it shocks me. Oh, how many normal, highfalutin, successful people listen to you doctors. But, but when they admit it to me, it's almost like sheepishly.

[C]

It's great shame.

[D]

It's like, it's like I really like.

[C]

At the Rah Rah Room.

[D]

Hold on. I say, I really, I really like to listen to you. And I go, my podcast, no Rah.

[C]

Rah Ram had a guy come up to me and he goes, hey, big fan. I'm like, you don't have to whisper it. And he goes, I actually do. I'm like, oh, you still know the business. I'm with people.

[D]

All right.

[C]

And it's a very funny joke, but it's true. And we do. We have a lot of people who participate, get, get these charity events going through the moon. So we couldn't. We couldn't have a better group. That is awesome.

[D]

For sure.

[C]

Before we get into the picks, I've been shown that the. We'll talk about this on the podcast later today. There's a women's baseball league they're trying to get started. Women's pro baseball league. The draft is happening. I don't know who you drafting because.

[D]

There'S no collegiate women's baseball team.

[C]

Anybody with their hand up is in the draft, Right? Yeah. So I think right now, Dale, you and I should start to identify as women and play some pro ball.

[D]

The three of us. I mean, he's missing a kidney.

[C]

Can't hear.

[D]

He can't hear. He's stuck.

[C]

Yeah, See?

[D]

Can we just identify?

[C]

Yeah, I think you can. Do you remember when Phil Nekro, I think it was Phil or Joe Nicro, the knuckleball pitchers, they played well into their late 40s knuckleballing. And one of them started, he was managing and pitching in a women's league where they played, they were called the Coors Silver Bullets. And they played a women's team and it was all like old retired guys and they played a women's pro team and like first time a women's professional baseball. Like, wait a second, you're playing like 60 year old beer league guys who had a history with baseball and they never beat the men's team. And they're like, well, you have to give us some time. I'm like, time. Your opposition doesn't have time. They're geriatric. It's terrible. Why do they keep doing this?

[E]

Well, what I understand pitch is not like a softball.

[C]

No. Then it would be Called softball.

[D]

Yeah, I know, but it was this baseball league. There's no high school girls baseball.

[C]

There's nothing to pick from.

[D]

No, there's high school, college, there's no college women's.

[E]

So they're taking these softball players.

[D]

That ball's a little bit bigger.

[E]

I know.

[C]

It's a different game.

[E]

That would be the one to parlay it into.

[C]

Well, I suppose it's the closest thing, but that's like drafting a boxer to be in the UFC and saying just get in the octagon. It's close enough. It's not the same game. So anyway, there's four teams now. The San Francisco, LA, NY and Boston will have a women's professional baseball team. And good luck.

[D]

That's exactly right. Yeah. Good luck.

[C]

Good luck. Of course we're very supportive. Of course it's going be equal. I'm sure equal is the word we're looking for here. Fantastic work.

[D]

I, I, I thought you were going to want to talk a little bit about when that sun's game is, you're going to invite me to. I mean, because you get to a game last year, last year you, you, you gave me tickets to one and I went with you to another one.

[C]

That's right.

[D]

Nobody wanted to go. It's like, it's like I'd rather have a Brazilian wax than that go to the sun's gate.

[C]

It was, it was a tough sell last year. Yes, but you got a game last year and I gave you tickets that my son in law and we've got till April.

[D]

But it's, but, but this year they are fun.

[C]

They're fun. They are really fun.

[D]

I don't know how many games are going to win, but I tell you what, no, no matter what, even that, that was the Hawks game that they blew the lead.

[C]

Incredible game.

[D]

It was a fantastic, that third quarter was a masterpiece.

[C]

Both teams blew 20 point leads at one point. It was amazing. And then the other night they just went and trounced Portland in Portland. So they're beating the bad teams the way they should. I do not want to get my hopes up for this, this, because this is not anything that's going to result in greatness. We're just happy they don't suck. And that's a really low bar we've set for the Suns team and they're living up to it, but we're just happy they don't suck.

[D]

Well, when only three teams don't make the playoffs in each conference and you're one of them, you suck.

[C]

Yeah, you suck. And they sucked last year. 36.

[D]

And not only that, but there's different. And I've always said this. Where there's a Cardinals last year or the Suns this year, I will buy into a team that is battling their tail off. They're playing defense or run around. They're having looks like they enjoy playing basketball with each other. And that is so refreshing to seeing.

[C]

Guys putting ambition and energy on the court before ego and nonsense. Yeah, it's been a fun. It's been fun.

[D]

Then you got a guy, Colin Gillespie. He's probably your size, John 5:11. And you know he's. You just run around.

[C]

Sounds smaller than me.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You'Re five, six feet even. Anyway, let you shut up. That's we'll get. And I think the sun's right now. And you remember last year they started 8 and 1 and everybody was through the moon.

[D]

But still you looked at them last year though they didn't one.

[C]

You're kind of like eh, November. Basketball is in this sport. In basketball there is no other professional sport that means less in the beginning of the season than basketball.

[D]

But I got them at. I got them over 33 and a half for wins.

[C]

Oh, you've got that. They'll get that. That's a great bet. I don't know if it paid anything, but that's good. But in basketball you can have teams just jump out so fast by February you kind of figure out who's what.

[D]

How about Detroit leading the East?

[C]

They're great. For the last three years they've been building to that. They've built a team.

[D]

So they get rid of money and.

[C]

They'Re still paying money. Let's get to the picks for football, which is very strange. I got my music back up. Brady, let's start with you. Your Bengals have the Patriots coming to town. This is an easy one. Patriots, Patriots straight up. All right, Dale, your Dallas Cowboys. Who everybody got mad at Jerry. Micah Parsons trade was stupid. He started saying some dumb stuff. Then he goes and gets Quinn and Williams from the jets, which I love that they're calling Escape from New York. Everybody that's leaving is playing out of their heads. One sack in eight games in New York. He had a sack and a half in the first game with the Cowboys doubles. So he's already almost doubled his number.

[D]

Well, that the defensive tackles. The one they got from Green Bay too. His name slipped in my mind right now.

[C]

Oh yeah, the Clark.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, Kenny Clark. Yeah. They're formidable there in the middle and yet you wreak havoc in the middle. And you could disrupt a lot of offense.

[C]

They're starting to look like something. And they have the Chiefs this week. No, they have Philadelphia Eagles. It's the Eagles. It's Sunday in Dallas. You gonna do it?

[D]

What's the spread?

[C]

Spread is two, three and a half. Three and a half.

[D]

I'm tempted to make the Cowboys straight up because I think the Eagles are struggling a little bit.

[C]

But Eagles. The cure for a bad offensive time up until a couple weeks ago was the Cowboys defense.

[D]

And I think they've got some reinforcement. How about if I take the Cowboys.

[C]

With the point plus three and a half?

[D]

Yeah. All right.

[C]

Cruddy bet my Bear or my Steelers and Brett's Bears are taking each other. And Brett has picked the Bears. I will say that my man Mount Washington will get a touchdown on that one. Darnell Washington gets a touchdown. And we'll have an any touchdown scorer for the alternate bet because I don't know who's playing quarterback for the Steelers, so.

[D]

Right. Is that game in Pittsburgh or Chicago?

[C]

Chicago. And The Steelers are 1 in 12 in Chicago.

[E]

Wow.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Try that on. I think it's in, like 1974 or something. One in 12. It's a terrible record. Julio's here one time.

[D]

Wait, what's this?

[C]

He's coming and telling you to knock it off.

[D]

Another break.

[C]

That's what success looks like, Dale.

[D]

Another damn break. Jeez. Popular.

[C]

You are very popular. Very popular. We'll keep giving it to you. That's what we'll do. We've got the entertainment drill coming up in just a moment. Our picks are in. Go to FanDuel and make your picks too.

[D]

It makes the world win last week.

[C]

I have to look. The FanDuel thing screwed up. I think I owe you guys 33 bucks. I think I was the only one who missed. Yeah, I'm pretty sure because Brady picked my Steelers. You son of a. It's 98 KUPD. We'll do the entertainment drill next. It's out of control now. 98.