12-11-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - Dale's Thoughts On The Sherrone Moore Firing And Spite Rivalries - Has Dale Ever Wished For Something Bad Against A Rival

Summary

Holmberg’s Morning Sickness – Arizona

Episode: 12-11-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae
Date: December 11, 2025
Main Guests: John Holmberg (Host), Dale Hellestrae (Former Dallas Cowboy Offensive Lineman), Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
Main Theme: Sports rivalries, the fallout from Michigan’s coaching scandal (the Sherrone Moore firing), and the psychology of sports hatred and petty rivalries—plus a deep-dive into how former players like Dale “got mean” on the field.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the raw, unfiltered feelings that come with sports rivalries and the latest scandal at Michigan, where offensive coordinator Sherrone Moore was fired after an alleged extramarital affair with a staffer. John Holmberg and friends explore the intersection of personal pettiness in sports, the boundary between friendly hate and real-life consequences, and get some brutally honest, hilarious war-stories from Dale Hellestrae’s playing days. The hosts swap candid opinions about rooting for bad things to happen to rivals (with plenty of sarcasm), discuss infamous rival incidents, and dig into why sports fans (and players) savor rivalry almost as much as victory itself.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Michigan Scandal – Sherrone Moore’s Firing

• Context: Sherrone Moore (Michigan’s football coach) was fired for having a relationship with a staff member, raising questions about power dynamics and program integrity.
• Brady’s Glee, Rival Fan Schadenfreude:
  • Brady (an Ohio State fan) expresses enjoyment over Michigan’s misfortune. The crew roasts him for not celebrating enough.
  • [03:04] "I smiled when I saw a little bit. I'm not gonna lie." – Brady
  • Holmberg mocks him: “He sure was an easy coach to whip. Like. No, he wasn’t. He beat you twice. You’re one and two against this guy.” [02:33]
• Rumor Commentary
  • The team riffs on rumors—some true, some pure dark comedy—about the firing.
  • [03:56] “Is that true though?” [regarding Moore’s rumored press drama]
    [04:02] “That's what I heard.” – tongue-in-cheek, highlighting the rumor-mongering around sports scandals.
• Power Dynamics & Accountability
  • Dale briefly touches on the issue of power imbalance and why coaches (especially at big programs) have to recognize their positions:
    • [21:46] “Shouldn’t coaches who have...they should know. It’s like a fisherman being dropped in a boat and saying, don’t fish. If you’re susceptible to the college gal, you can’t, you can’t go.” – Holmberg
    • [21:49] “Yeah but maybe he wasn’t until he became a head coach.” – Dale

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2. Petty Rivalries – Are They Good or Bad?

• Holmberg’s Brand of Petty Hate:
  • John confesses to rooting not just for his team to win, but for real, personal misfortune for rivals (all delivered with a heavy dose of comedic exaggeration).
  • [09:04] "I would root for this guy to have a disease named after him next...and for some reason his body is immune to like any anesthesia. So they have to do the cuts live like while he's awake."
  • [10:21] “See, I like all you’re talking about. And add in that there’s some diseases going around and they’re incurable. In Ravens locker rooms. That would be the best.”
  • [11:34] “If John Harbaugh got a like John Harbaugh's disease or the JHD as I call it...I'd be like, that's okay. It'll be a good day for me. I might order a pizza.”
• Dale – The Line Between Humorous Spite and Actual Harm:
  • [09:29] “See me, the way I...I don’t want human lives, the person involved, a rivalry, fine. But I don’t like the ancillary stuff. I don’t like that this girl's caught up in this. I don't like the wife and kids..."
  • Dale prefers his rivalry “victimless”—like when an Auburn fan poisoned Alabama’s famous trees, which only “emotionally” hurt the rival.
• Memorable Example – The Trees at Toomer’s Corner
  • [09:44] “What I like is like the Alabama Auburn deal where the one guy was slowly poisoning all the trees... Not bad.” – Dale
  • [13:11] "To me, that was one of the worst things that's happened in sports because, like, look, you can...yes, because you can root for someone to get a disease, but you can't prove that I gave it to them."
• Fan Behavior and Rivalry Psychology:
  • The hosts riff on the catharsis and community among fans who hate the same sports figures.
  • [19:26] "The guy just emailed me, said, oh my God, it's so nice to hear someone hate Lamar Jackson the way I hate him. It makes me feel normal. I want him to get VD of the mouth." – John

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3. How Far Is Too Far?

• Dale’s Locker Room Stories
  • Dale reveals how, as a player, he harnessed his hate and created villainous backstories for his gridiron opponents as game-day motivation.
  • [16:37] “For you at SMU, at Dallas, when you're playing, it's like that guy across from me wants to kill you. If you don't hate him, if you don't have a proper amount of…ability to absolutely conjure up hatred..."
  • [16:39] Dale’s routine: "I would get the media guide, picture the guy I'm going against...put in my locker, and every day I'd walk in, I'd find something...by the time either Saturday, especially in college, on Saturday came, I hated that guy."
• Dirtiest Play Confession:
  • [17:50 - 18:44] Dale shares the time he twisted Ray Childress’s facemask at the bottom of a pile, admitting it’s one of the few “really dirty” things he’d ever done:
    • [18:17] “...through all the legs and arms, I can look down, and it’s Ray Childress. And I said, watch this and twist. And so I grabbed his facemask and I literally tried to corkscrew...”
    • [18:43] “…his nose is sticking out of his ear hole.”
    • [18:56] "He starts...he doesn't know what he's, who did it? He's trying to swing and hit somebody. Not only that, I probably broke his nose, but he got a 15-yard penalty from sports and..."
    • [18:55] “And I walked back the huddle, a big smile on my face. That's. You get, you piece of crap.”
• Winning Battles, Not Just Games:
  • [19:04] “Who won the game?” – “We didn’t.” – “Doesn’t matter. He won the battle.”

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4. Player and Fan Hatreds – The Love/Hate of Lamar Jackson, Philip Rivers, and More

• Holmberg’s Ongoing Petty Targets
  • [20:21] “I swear to God, if Chris Collinsworth...Lamar Jackson thrown four interceptions tonight—‘That’s one of the most incredible plays I’ve ever seen…’ Like, he’s down four picks in this game and you’re still praising him.”
  • [20:39-21:06] John and Dale banter about broadcaster biases and the hero-worship of players like Mahomes and Jackson.
• Philip Rivers Rant
  • [14:48-15:13] Debate erupts about whether Rivers was beloved or despised by linemen.
    • [14:54] “He’s intolerable.” – John
    • [15:01] “Every offensive lineman hated Philip Rivers. All he does is blame and bark.” – John
    • [15:05] “No, he does not blame anything. John, John, how many times have you lined up in front of a 300-pound man...?” – Dale

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5. When Rival Hate Goes Personal and Beyond

• The Danger of Power and Temptation in Big College Jobs
  • The group reflects on why big jobs (like coach at Michigan or Ohio State) seem to court scandal—and how “fishing in your own pond” often ends badly.
  • [21:53] “That's a horrendous situation...I do feel for...” – Dale
  • [22:02-22:10] “Weren’t they, like, dating, though? He wasn’t, like, molesting her.” – John
    [22:08] “She was. She was a participant.”
  • [22:33] John and Dale clarify the difference between “immoral” and “illegal” (the Moore case being the former, a local AD sending texts to a middle-schooler being the latter).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• [03:04] "I smiled when I saw a little bit. I'm not gonna lie." — Brady (on Michigan’s scandal)
• [09:04] "I would root for this guy to have a disease named after him next...and for some reason his body is immune to like any anesthesia." — John Holmberg
• [13:11] "To me, that was one of the worst things that's happened in sports because, like, look, you can...yes, because you can root for someone to get a disease, but you can't prove that I gave it to them." — John
• [17:01] "I can see that is an arrogant SOB...by the time...Saturday came, I hated that guy." — Dale Hellestrae
• [18:43] "...his nose is sticking out of his ear hole." — John, describing Dale's facemask twist on Childress
• [19:26] "Oh my God, it's so nice to hear someone hate Lamar Jackson the way I hate him. It makes me feel normal. I want him to get VD of the mouth." — John, reading a listener email
• [20:21] "I swear to God, if Chris Collinsworth..." — John's satirical rant on Collinsworth's quarterback obsession
• [25:05] “Here we run the wishbone 300 times a game. That’s...stupid. You got 12 plays in your...and you got to remember five of them.” — John, on college vs. pro football

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:25 | The Michigan scandal and Ohio State/Michigan rivalry – initial reactions | | 09:04 | Petty rivalries: rooting for disaster to befall rivals (comedic exaggeration) | | 13:11 | Discussion of “acceptable” rivalry pranks vs. real harm (Toomer’s Corner) | | 16:37 | Dale’s player mindset: manufacturing hate for the opponent | | 17:50 | Dale’s confession of his dirtiest on-field act – facemask twist | | 19:26 | Listener email shares similar rivalry hate – catharsis for fans | | 21:46 | The dangers of temptation in high-profile coaching, power dynamics | | 22:33 | Difference between "immoral" and "illegal" behavior in college scandals | | 25:05 | Rant on college football’s simplicity vs. the NFL | | 25:16 | Cliffhanger teaser: Is this Mike Tomlin's last year? (Not resolved) |

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Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, bawdy, and laced with sarcasm and dark comedy. John takes comedic shots at rivals, Dale brings authentic locker-room stories and football culture, while Brady offers (mildly) the voice of conscience—kind of. The group’s banter mirrors how actual fans and former players process and rationalize the wild, unruly emotions that only sports rivalries can bring.

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Who Should Listen / What You'll Learn

If you’re fascinated by the psychology of sports fans, the tribal joy of rooting against your rival, or you love hearing uncensored behind-the-scenes stories from ex-pros, this episode delivers hefty doses of all three. You’ll laugh at the over-the-top rivalry “wishing,” reflect on the blurry line between playful hate and real harm, and maybe even feel a little better about how much you resent that one guy on that team.

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Note: Ads, intros, and non-content segments have been omitted. The above summary preserves the style, candor, and humor of the original episode.

Transcript

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Homberg's morning sickness.

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Look at us go. This day is flying by. Brett is still out there at Local Legends. Or maybe he's leaving. But Local Legends still exist. And you can go out there and hang with the gang at Local Legends and drop some stuff off for Operation Santa Claus. Oh, Dale, we're being so philanthropic, it's ridiculous. Look at us go.

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That's your middle name.

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That is the giver. There's a thing I'm going to tell you, Brady, about Dale and I in our exchange this week that will shine a bright light on a budding friendship.

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Johnny G. Holmberg.

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The way we speak to each other isn't healthy. Dale Hellestra here, three time world champion and permanent guest of a sports podcast that's just exploding. Exploding all over the place. The numbers. Oh, just keep eating. I'll cover that sports thing.

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What's it called?

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The sports thing. Yeah. John Holmberg podcast or It's a sports thing. No, no, a sport, God damn it. The sports thing.

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Crushed sports.

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A John Holmberg podcast with permanent guest Dale Hellestray and the rest of the. And it will be recorded again later today.

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And also.

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The. The main sports. Main event.

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Oh, I know tme.

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That's not it. We talked about it last week.

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They'll just say Google it.

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[B]

Are you?

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Yes. I've got a couple of things I wanted to talk about, but once that thing happened in Michigan, we'll get it. Dale. Yeah, don't worry about that.

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Oh, okay.

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Once. That happened in Michigan with Shamir Stewart.

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Sharon Moore was Brady happy.

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And there's the problem. He's an Ohio State fan. He's like, I wish he'd have stayed on. He sure was an easy coach to whip. Like. No, he wasn't. He beat you twice. You're one and two against this guy.

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He's lucky.

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It doesn't matter. Lucky beat you six and six.

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Does the victim at all come into your mind, Brady?

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Yes, that's the victim. Who's the victim? He's the victim.

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No, the girl's the victim. He fell for the white devil. It's the white devil.

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His wife and three kids.

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Yeah.

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So let's. Let's recap. The coach of Michigan was fired.

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I smiled when I saw a little bit. I'm not gonna lie.

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The coach of Michigan was fired for having an extramarital affair with a college co ed. Right. She was an employee of Michigan football, Michigan University, a staffer. She'd been given a hundred percent raise at one point.

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One of the things that's thrown out there.

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Stop it.

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You're an Ohio State fan. Throw out more things that aren't true.

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What is wrong with you?

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When did you become the. Well, I better be the blockade defense.

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She's one of the girls that was on the Shriners commercial.

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Yeah, okay. Yeah. She was crippled. Yeah. She was a cripple and he took advantage of her.

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It's amazing what Michigan, Ohio State will do to Brady. I mean, you don't recognize him? No. It's all. This lady's got both kidneys back.

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He dumped him. Dumped her out of her wheelchair and had at her anus. That's what you should be saying because.

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If he did, then he wouldn't have had to have her have an abortion. Is that.

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Oh, that's real. Did you see the smile go on his face? Is that true though?

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That's what I heard.

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Oh my God, it gets better.

Look at him.

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Wipe it off your face there, Jesus.

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Lover, because it ain't real right now.

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You're.

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You're the devil like me.

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I'm laughing at the situation, you guys.

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I think this thing is gonna be so deep and dark and sinister, it's ridiculous.

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So then he goes, breaks into his own house.

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Save it for the documentary.

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Holds his wife hostage with a knife, saying this is, you know, so. And then himself, I already put on himself.

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He's going to kill himself. And then he went to the another coach's house and took the knife against him. And the Coach.

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Yeah. He's. He's brandishing a knife that he's going to jail, suicidal. He's. He's emotionally crazy.

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But he's. I think he is. As he's driving, he's like, how. What's the possibility of me getting out of this thing? Yeah, well, maybe if I threaten to kill myself, I'll go on suicide watch.

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Yeah, that would be it. Insane.

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You're sitting here going, you just, you know, you're, you're a long time.

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5 million reasons why not to do some of that.

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No, they're. They're like 13, 12, 12, 13.

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But he's guaranteed.

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He was guaranteed. Yeah.

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It's so great.

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Yes.

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It's so great. And I don't care. I hate Ohio State. I think they're annoying. I don't like Michigan that much more, but I like them more because of what San Antonio Holmes did in a game with the Steelers once. And it made me hate Ohio State forever. Tie game. Atlanta Steelers playing state players.

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Win him championships.

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Yeah, that's fine. I'll finish what I'm saying. There's a reason why that drug addict is no longer in the league and not. Anyway, so he goes down the field in a tie game and Atlanta goes. I think they went ahead by three towards the end of the game, something like that. And Michael Jenkins, former Ohio State receiver, catches a third and long and on the sideline catches it and it wraps the game up. It's first down.

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Yeah.

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And he falls into the Steelers sidelines on the catch. Starts jogging and Santonio Homes went over to him. Steelers are going to lose this game now. And does a little chest pound on himself and then gives Michael Jenkins a big hug. Ohio State, baby. Buckeyes.

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Really?

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Yes. And I immediately that day.

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Oh, your son.

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I went out and bought Michigan hats, Michigan shirts. I was a Michigan fan from there on because I, I just can't believe.

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Wasn't San Antonio Holmes the guy who caught the ball. Yes.

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It still wasn't enough.

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That's over. That's how lawyer he is.

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And then even for the team, they're.

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Like congratulates a guy in a regular game.

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Trade him for a 5th rounder and get him out of here. And that's exactly what they did.

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I thought you were loyal.

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I am loyal. He's not. There's the problem. I was the loyal one. He's. He's still in college and he's standing on the sidelines collecting $20 million a year and hugging former players in college. And then the Steelers are like one More time with the weed, dumbass. And he goes, what? And they just traded his ass away and he became nothing. And I love it.

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You know, John, I. I do games every year. People ask me on Sunday how the game went on Friday or the college game we did on Saturday. I'm like, I. I don't know the score.

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I remember playing. I'm like, Sean McVay.

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Not as good looking. No, no.

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He's a handsome than me. He works harder than I do, but still, I will always remember that. So my hatred for Ohio State was just birthed that day. And the fires.

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But here's the thing about Michigan again. I have no dog in the fight. I got buddies who are Ohio State fans. Not as many that are Michigan fans, but you start looking at the long line of infraction that they got, from stealing signals to cheating with players and getting caught. Unlucky State cheating.

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Well, they got better. They got caught.

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Yeah.

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They just somehow or not, another got.

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Away for some reason, their doctor can molest thousands of people.

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Thousands.

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Dale and I, I don't hear about it.

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There's a documentary that was like, michigan's better at it. They don't get caught.

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Yeah, yeah, that's. Well, Ohio State got caught and didn't do anything about it. That's more impressive.

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They've tried them.

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Michigan State's sitting there looking at both of them, going, how you guys do this? We're out like, $480 million because our guy wouldn't stop fingering everybody. It's crazy what goes on up there.

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John, I gotta ask you, because did we. Did anybody just miss on their own this past weekend or did it all miss?

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I got mine. Steelers beat the Ravens.

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Okay.

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You lost Thursday night. You were done with the Lions.

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And I lost.

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Brady lost. Did you take the Bengals?

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I took the.

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No, you took the.

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I took the Ravens.

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Huh?

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Why would you take the Ravens?

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I didn't pick the Bengals.

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You picked the Bills then. So you won yours. Yeah. Yeah. And then you lost yours and he had the Bears. So we were two and two. Nobody pays anybody. Okay. We got screwed on that.

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Yeah, we did.

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I get a. By the way. And this again, I want to get. I'm going to. Before I go to the next thing. Do you feel that petty rivalry behavior is good or bad? Don't you think Brady should be more petty and like, louder about that? Because him saying, well, okay, I would. Like I said this morning, I would root for this guy to have a disease named after him next. Like, I want. If I was an Ohio State fan. I would root for Tom Brady to get like diabetes of each toe and they have to individually cut them off. And like and for some reason, for some reason his body is quiet. I'm talking for you. And, and, and, and I would. His body is immune to like any anesthesia. So they have to do the cuts live like while he's awake.

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Like all of that. Yes.

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If you were real, like Lamar Jackson can't get a disease named after him fast enough. No.

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See me the way I, I, I don't want human lies. The person involved, a rivalry, fine.

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Yeah.

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But I don't like the ancillary stuff. I don't like that this girl's caught up in this. I don't like the wife and kids.

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She's just another Michigan.

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What I like is like the Alabama Auburn deal where the one guy was slowly poisoning all the trees and called.

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A radio station to say I killed the trees at Hawker's Corner.

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Not bad.

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Like what?

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Now that I like, I can get behind.

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And he did. He killed 200 year old trees. Cooper's Holler.

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They'll grow again.

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And they died like. And people were sobbing like that was their whole world.

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That's perfect. You like? Yes, I like that. I like Peyton over the A. You know, when you're. I, I don't like when human life suffers. It has nothing to do.

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See, I like all you're talking about. And add in that there's some diseases going around and they're incurable. In Ravens locker rooms. That would be the best.

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The Ravens are done. John.

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You need to find a new R. Enough.

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You need to find another rival. More.

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Of that. Like beating them is great.

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Yeah.

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And then beating them and having that press conference, you're like, wow. Lamar Jackson's called an odd press Conference Thursday at 9:30am I believe I have something worse than the AIDS. I'm like, oh my God. And I got it. It was airborne and I'm the only one in the world who can get it.

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I'm like.

Victory.

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I would scream at the top. I would get up on top of my house.

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Do you hate Lamar Jackson more than you hate Harbaugh?

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No, I hate them equally often Lamar Jackson's up there because he's currently the only one that can hurt the team.

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Yeah.

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Harbaugh is not. But I would, I wouldn't told him.

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There is a rumor that John Harbaugh.

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Could candidate for Michigan could coach Michigan. I think if John Harbaugh got a like John Harbaugh's disease or the JHD as I call it, and I even share the initials, and it doesn't bother me. I. I would. I'd be like, that's okay. It'll be a good day for me. I might order a pizza.

But I'm a real petty rival.

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You are. You are. Yeah.

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But again, that's beyond petty.

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But it gives me so much joy. I think you're missing out on so much, and you just. You just get. You're holding it back because your parents taught you that it was bad. It's so good.

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You're not just walking around on cloud nine this week.

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No.

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You beat Baltimore.

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That's great.

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You took first place over again.

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That's fine.

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Whether you end up finishing it off or not, who knows? Cincinnati loss.

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Don't care. Yeah. They're just. Lamar's out.

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Yeah.

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He dressed up like a sperm and did a press conference afterwards. I don't want to get. Nobody knows what you're saying. And then I just pray. Oh. Oh. I got some coins. Two gold from Larry just interrupts the show and brings us Hanukkah candies. Thank you, Larry.

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Hanukkah candy.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, thank you, Larry.

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Back. Does this count as much as real. Real money?

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Damn.

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It does what gold tastes like.

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Anyway, I want to get back to killing some ravens. I don't want. And I never want it to be like an egregious. Like the guy who killed the trees.

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Yeah.

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I want it to be a natural happenstance.

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No. But how many people did that affect? Emotionally, not physically. I don't like the physical pain to innocent bystanders.

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Right, right. Inflicted on by another person. But if God does it, I'm thrilled.

[B]

Yeah. Morning sickness.

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Disgusting. They say things that are horrible.

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Radiate.

You. PD Holmberg's morning sickness. Or it's just a little poison every year.

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Well, that was poisoning.

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Dale. I'm surprised.

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To me, that was one of the worst things that's happened in sports because, like, look, you can. Yes. Because you can root for someone to get a disease, but you can't prove that I gave it to them. If I killed the trees at Toomer's Corner or whatever that place is, then I'm guilty of a crime. Rooting for someone to get something is not bad.

[B]

Rooting for. But then when it happened, oh, so great. Like, you seem busy about what happened in Michigan.

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Oh, thrill. Well, for Brady. And I thought he'd be happier, and he was just kind of like, well, I just thought maybe. Golly gosh, I'm like, knock it off. Because your stupid Smile because it's not authentic like that. It's not authentic.

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Well, here's the thing and I, I understand a little bit where he's come from because this Moore guy ain't the top notch coach, but they might find a better coach because of this.

[A]

Well then, then Ohio State's playing too.

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Like what happens if you, if you wish Lamar Jackson out of the Baltimore Raiders because he's losing his toes to some venereal disease?

[C]

They get a new quarterback and then.

[B]

All of a sudden Tom Brady the second comes back.

[A]

Get back to that Mille Mar thing again. What? What did you say?

[C]

Tommy Zito takes a helm and wins the Super Bowl.

[A]

Look, all I care about right now is that Lamar's toes fall off. We'll deal with the next guy and then I'll have some new guy to hate and it'll bring me there.

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But what happens? The next guy's Tom Brady and he had to deal with him for 20 years.

[A]

We made sure that Lamar wasn't with disease from the Lord. That's all we could pestilence some sort of horrible thing.

[C]

He's got a pretty good candidate back in the mix. Philip Rivers.

[A]

Oh boy. Yeah, but he's.

[B]

You don't like him.

[A]

I've never liked Philip Rivers.

[B]

Oh, I love him. Oh, I love him.

[A]

He's intolerable.

[B]

No, he's not.

[A]

If you played with Philip Rivers, you would hate.

[B]

No, if you played with him, you love him. No way.

[A]

Every offensive lineman hated Philip Rivers. All he does is blame and bark.

[B]

No, he does not blame anything. John, John, how many times have you lined up in front of a 300 pound man tried to hear dear Brady.

[A]

Dale's Jesus, please, I didn't have, I didn't have any anger till now. Please let one of the linemen who doesn't know Philip Rivers very well this week and turn and decapitate him for yelling at him. All Philip Rivers did was blame the lineman.

[B]

He never blamed the line. He's competitive, Johnny.

[A]

Amen. Lamb of God.

[C]

Jesus.

[A]

Cheese and crackers and juice.

That's what you guys do. I don't know what you guys do.

[C]

I did like the idea of adding cheese to the community.

[B]

How do you. Especially when he was in his prime.

[A]

Oh, shuck, shoot. I got 25000 children.

[B]

What's the matter about that? They're all the same woman.

[A]

He's the shuck shoot guy. And then he's like you, you didn't.

[B]

Block good enough, you pieces.

[A]

He's like. He's just a garbage man on the.

[C]

Field looks like he's gonna be a decent quarterback.

[A]

Yeah. I've never once seen Philip Rivers go. So sorry, guys. That was my fault.

[B]

Oh, he's done that a lot.

[A]

Never. Oh, never.

[B]

Johnny, you're a selective seer.

[A]

He's speaking of Sears. Like, C words. Did you say C word? Philip Rivers. Horrible. Hate him. I love. Like, the hate is so great. We. We push it down. Like, oh, it's so bad for you. It's so joyous.

[B]

Of course it is.

[A]

Good, because for you at smu, at Dallas, when you're playing, it's like that guy across from me wants to kill you. If you don't hate him, if you don't have a proper amount of the. Of an ability to absolutely conjure up hatred.

[B]

John, let me tell you a story.

[A]

Go.

[B]

So I used to. The way I used to get myself ready for a game was I would get the media guide, picture the guy I'm going against, and I would. I would make it into, like, an if, whatever that is. Five by seven. And I put in my locker, and every day I'd walk in, I. I'd find something. He's just. He's just sitting there smiling. Yeah. And I could look at him, and I could look into his eye.

[A]

You find it.

[B]

And I can see that is an arrogant sob. You had to do. And by the time either Saturday, especially in college. Yeah. On Saturday came. I hated that guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I never talked to him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I played a guy, I guess a guy named Ray Childress for three years. He went to Great Line. He went to Texas A and M. He's the third pick in the draft. Never said a word. We hit. We knocked heads probably 70 times a game for three years. Never shared a word, really. Just hit each other. Go back to the huddle. Hit each other. But I hated him. He had this long neck like an arrogant peacock. He'd walk around and I just couldn't stand.

[A]

Smug piece of garbage.

[B]

And it's really the only time I've ever done anything.

Really dirty on the football field.

[C]

Sweet.

[B]

All right. We're at the bottom of a pile I had somehow gotten him on. Everybody falls on top of his massive humanity. And I realized my. My left hand is, like, entangled in a face mask. And through all the legs and arms, I can look down, and it's Ray Childress. And I said, watch this and twist. And so I grabbed his face mask and I literally tried to corkscrew Dale Albert Hellestra.

Finish this.

[A]

Finish him.

[B]

And yeah, now everybody's Getting up, but still getting. Trying One more wrench. Yeah. We all get up and he comes up swinging. Yes. Now he's looking through. His nose is sticking out of his ear hole.

[A]

Oh, you twisted the whole thing.

[B]

Twisted a face mask. Was facing sideways. And he starts. He doesn't know what he's.

[C]

Who did it?

[B]

Who did it? He's trying to swing and hit somebody. So not only that, I probably broke his nose, but he got a 15 yard penalty from sports and like Honda.

[A]

Yes. For throwing him.

[B]

And I walked back the huddle, a big smile on my face. That's. You get, you piece of crap.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Who won the game?

[B]

We don't. We didn't.

[A]

Doesn't matter. He won the battle.

[B]

We didn't lose much of that.

[A]

That's right. That's true.

[B]

We were the Ohio State.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

Except for all the championships.

[B]

You couldn't. You couldn't get over Arkansas, so you couldn't beat Arkansas. We finished number two, number four, number six, first loser.

[A]

First. Second place is first. Last place.

[B]

Wait, what? Way to bring the mood down, Josh.

[A]

Oh, no, I'm just saying. Oh, the mood. The guy just emailed me, said, oh, my God, it's so nice to hear someone hate Lamar Jackson the way I hate him. It makes me feel normal. I want him to get VD of the mouth. Yes. Me too.

[B]

Why don't you two meet for lunch?

[A]

I would. Yeah, Tyson, I'll take you to lunch. We'll talk about VD of the mouth. And I don't want to have anything to do with it, and I don't want another person do it. I just want it to happen.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, I don't want other people.

[B]

Like, why be one of God's miracles and.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. One of God's Jesus miracles. Oh, like the bread and the fish and that. Walking on water and giving.

[B]

I don't. I just don't know what he's ever done to you other than beat your football.

[A]

No, he hasn't beat us. It's just his face. I just hate him. He wears that.

[B]

I don't hate you because of your face.

[A]

But I don't wear. I don't wear, like, a Texas helmet around and, like, just march around, like. And he's. He's got no championships. He's nothing. He's nothing. And he's just. Oh, you're the m. You're the greatest mvp.

[B]

That's something.

[A]

I swear to God, if Chris Collins were. Lamar Jackson thrown four interceptions tonight. That's one of the most incredible Plays I'd ever seen. Like, he's down four picks in this game and you're still praising him. Anyone else gets blasted for this performance, but some reason Lamar is the sacred cow. You can't. Oh, I hate him so much.

[B]

I did. I never really paid attention to Chris Collinsworth, but this. This last Sunday, they're doing the Kansas City game, and he does have a man.

[A]

Patrick mounds might have 31 yards passing late in the third quarter, but it's the best 31 yards. I mean, I've never seen anything like it. Blackout. And he's. He is. He won't stop. Travis Kelsey. That was a misread on Kevin Mahomes. Put that right on the dot. Even though it was intercepted.

[B]

Even though it was intercepted. Throw two yards behind him.

[A]

Terrible throw. Yes, Terrible throw. Kelsey usually comes down with that. I'm like, what the hell? Yeah, he loves Patrick Mahomes in a very gay way, but he kind of has a thing for Lamar, too. It's like the. He's got a little fever on that side.

[B]

Really? See, I'm not. I've not paid that close.

[A]

Yeah. Now, do you think that the Shemar Moore story is Chiron Moore? Shouldn't. You know, I don't know why you're correcting me. Who cares? He's a nobody. Shouldn't. Shouldn't. Coaches who have the. Like, they should know. It's like a fisherman being dropped in a boat and saying, don't fish. If you're, like, susceptible to the college gal, you can't. You can't go.

[B]

Yeah, but maybe he wasn't until he became a head coach.

[C]

Man.

[A]

Once you recognize it, though, you know that. I'm fishing. I'm in a boat and I'm fishing.

[B]

Here's the thing. That's amazing. John, is. Obviously that's a horrendous situation. And I. I do feel for.

[A]

Weren't they, like, dating, though? He wasn't, like, molesting her.

[B]

No, no, no. But. But he held power over her. She liked it. Oh, look at that.

[A]

She was. She was a participant.

[B]

You don't know, Johnny.

[A]

She was a participant.

[B]

But there's also stuff that's happened here locally. At my former high school, Savor High School, there's a ad that got hired six months ago, and he just got fired for sending inappropriate texts to a middle school.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Middle schooler?

[A]

That's just.

[B]

It's like, come on.

[A]

That's insanely illegal.

[B]

Yes, well, so is.

[A]

What he's doing is just frowned upon.

[B]

Well, then you force again. Abortions Well, I don't know about that.

[A]

Yeah, well, forced. And that's. Yeah, that's. We start getting into some touchy subjects there.

[B]

I'll fire you if you don't.

[A]

That's dangerous.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's jail time now. There's jail time.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But just having the affair, dicking around and doing stupid stuff, it's not illegal. It's just immoral. It's just. It's. It's a bad. It's a bad thing to do.

[B]

It's. It's a way for Michigan to get out from 13 million.

[A]

They didn't want to get out that way. They don't want embarrassment.

[C]

I don't think they orchestrated.

[A]

You know, they weren't sitting there going.

[B]

They think that girl went to Ohio State undergrad.

[A]

Oh, she's a double agent.

[C]

She was at Purdue.

[A]

And also she's really hot, which means that black guys are right careful of the white devil.

[B]

Is that what they call.

[A]

Oh, yeah. My friend Winston text this morning said, I'm teaching my son never play in the snow, if you know what I mean.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Take it all. You lose your job, your marriage, your house.

[B]

Well, I did see something on social media where somebody said, hey, last year I sent this picture into the athletic department, Michigan.

[C]

Something's going on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so it's a long. How. How stupid are you if you're the head coach at Michigan and you're walking along sorority row or whatever?

[A]

Just don't go there.

[B]

No.

We get some pictures.

[A]

Yeah. Come on over here, lady. Damn right. White devil. How you doing?

[C]

Who wasn't at the party? The one.

[A]

Oh, there's been tons of them. Tons of them are over there.

[C]

You get.

[A]

You get sucked in. You're a fisherman in a lake full of fish, and you're like, I better not. So. So who's worse?

[B]

This more cat or. Or the former Ohio State coach Urban Meyer doesn't fly back with his team. Similar Goes to Columbus and is photographed trying to hose. Just. Again, you're Urban Meyer in Columbus, and you don't think people are gonna take.

[A]

Take pictures in a restaurant called Urban Myers?

It was his own restaurant. I didn't even know that. It's his own steakhouse.

[C]

You're talking about the College Football hall of Fame.

[B]

Urban Meyer.

[C]

That's what happens.

[A]

That's what happens.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You go back and say you're a great children's coach. What about the NFL?

[B]

We don't talk about.

[A]

He's a horrible coach. Well, he was a horrible coach of real football. He was a horrible coach.

[B]

What? And you're saying NFL? Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The other college football is real.

[A]

Yeah. You get two years with a guy.

[B]

You'Re like, rah, rah, rah.

[A]

Go get him.

[C]

Rah, rah.

[A]

And then you just do base packages, and that's it. That's all you have to do. Here we run the wishbone 300 times a game. That's. It's stupid. You got 12 plays in your. And you got to remember five of them.

[B]

Hey, is this the last year for Mike Tomlin?

[C]

Maybe.

[A]

We'll. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. I got to take a break. Toledo's not coming in, but I'm. I'm managing this very.

[B]

You are. Well, your buddy came back.

[A]

Well, I'm busy talking to you, dummy. Here we go. We'll talk to Dale Hellister.

[B]

Name call.

[A]

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