12-23-25 - Entertainment Drill - MIX - 6x - Rambo Vs Rocky Fight - Salaries Of Wizard Of Oz - 2022/2024 - BO

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness – Entertainment Drill – December 23, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode’s “Entertainment Drill,” the Holmberg’s Morning Sickness crew—John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Brett Vesely, and Dick Toledo—delivered their signature blend of irreverent humor and pop culture commentary. The team discussed recent celebrity deaths, classic movie trivia, hypothetical battles between iconic film characters, music nostalgia, fascinating facts about "The Wizard of Oz," and more. The episode was heavy on laughs, pop culture references, and the hosts’ unique perspectives.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

Celebrity Deaths: Remembering David Soul & Cindy Morgan (Starsky and Hutch, Caddyshack)

• [02:27 – 04:12]
• The crew paid tribute to David Soul, "Starsky and Hutch" star, and Cindy Morgan, known for her role as Lacey Underall in "Caddyshack."
  • Lacey Underall's iconic nude scene with Chevy Chase was fondly (and humorously) remembered by John.
  • Quote [03:16] – John Holmberg:
    “Lacey Underall showed her boobs in that, and I watched. Great. They were fantastic. 70s boobs. Beautiful lady.”
• The group laments the way aging hits celebrities and their own recognition of classic pop culture names.

Rocky vs. Rambo: Who Wins? (Sylvester Stallone Debate)

• [04:12 – 05:31]
• The hosts debated Sylvester Stallone’s own musings over who would win in a fight between Rocky Balboa and John Rambo.
  • The consensus: Rambo would dominate outside a boxing ring, but in a strict ring, Rocky has the edge.
  • Holmberg points out it’s like “having your kids fight.”
  • Quote [04:24] – John Holmberg:
    “Rambo wins this hands down...you put him in a ring with rules and Rambo’s gonna get killed. The two just fight in a bar. Rambo’s gonna have his ass.”

Beetlejuice 2: Sequel Buzz

• [05:31 – 06:15]
• Discussion about the greenlighting of "Beetlejuice 2," Tim Burton’s return as director, and which original cast may be returning.
  • Memorable Moment: Brett jokes about “Plan B” being a better idea before greenlighting the movie.
  • Quote [05:42] – Brett Vesely:
    “Somebody should have took the plan B pill before green lighting that.”

Music Nostalgia: Albums Turning 40 in 2024

• [06:15 – 07:54]
• Rundown of classic albums from 1984 hitting the 40-year milestone: Van Halen’s "1984," Bon Jovi’s debut, The Cars' "Heartbeat City", Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the U.S.A.", Metallica's "Ride the Lightning," Prince's "Purple Rain," U2's "The Unforgettable Fire," and Bryan Adams’ "Reckless."
  • Discussion about aging and how "you look great for your age" becomes a backhanded compliment at 40.
  • Quote [06:40] – John Holmberg:
    “You hit an age this year that unfortunately for women, and I don’t think this is fair, people start saying this to you...‘you look great for your age.’”

Van Halen Lead Singer Trivia: Daryl Hall Almost Joined?

• [07:54 – 09:44]
• Anecdote about Eddie Van Halen reportedly offering Daryl Hall the lead singer spot after David Lee Roth left (before ultimately going with Sammy Hagar).
  • Jokes about how much this would have changed the band’s sound.
  • Memorable Moment: John imagines Daryl Hall singing Van Halen love songs.
  • Quote [09:28] – John Holmberg:
    “Now I have to hear Daryl Hall sing ‘Love Walks In’...it would have changed Van Halen to be like, ‘alright, Daryl Hall’s our new lead singer. Some of these love songs make sense now.’”

Musical Antiquity: Oldest Recorded Country Song Found

• [10:00 – 11:33]
• News of a newly discovered country song from 1891, “Thompson’s Old Gray Mule,” predating the previous record from 1927.
  • Hosts play a snippet and roast the poor audio quality.
  • John questions the point of classifying something as the “first” of a genre when they all sounded alike back then.
  • Quote [11:00] – John Holmberg:
    “I don’t understand that. Why are we even listening to that stuff and then trying to say…it’s because they’re trying to make it racial.”

Wizard of Oz Paychecks: Then vs. Now

• [12:05 – 13:40]
• Deep dive into what the original cast of "The Wizard of Oz" earned:
  • Judy Garland: $9,600 (approx. $218,000 today)
  • Margaret Hamilton (Wicked Witch): $21,000 (approx. $476,000 today)
  • Ray Bolger (Scarecrow): $72,000 (approx. $1.6 million today)
  • Discussions about lack of residuals, star status, and Margaret Hamilton’s infamous coffee commercials after her witch role.
  • Quote [12:22] – John Holmberg:
    “Still nothing. That's a Kenny Dillingham.”

The Wicked Witch Sells Coffee: Vintage Ad Rewatch

• [13:41 – 16:44]
• The team watches and riffs classic coffee commercials starring Margaret Hamilton, blending in irreverent jokes about the character and era.
  • Discussions mix pop culture, social commentary, and a heavy dose of sarcastic humor.
  • Memorable Bit: “You that wacky witch in that acid trip movie?” – John, [13:56]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Cindy Morgan in "Caddyshack":
  • John Holmberg [03:16]: "Lacey Underall showed her boobs in that, and I watched. Great. They were fantastic. 70s boobs."
• On Rocky vs. Rambo:
  • John Holmberg [04:24]: "Rambo wins this hands down...you put him in a ring with rules and Rambo’s gonna get killed. The two just fight in a bar. Rambo's gonna have his ass."
• On Beetlejuice 2:
  • Brett Vesely [05:42]: "Somebody should have took the plan B pill before green lighting that."
• On albums turning 40:
  • John Holmberg [06:40]: "You hit an age this year that unfortunately for women...people start saying this to you...'you look great for your age.'"
• On aging rock bands:
  • John Holmberg [07:29]: "Forty years ago those albums came out in 1984. If we did this list, it was 1944. Glenn Miller’s greatest spots…"
• On Daryl Hall & Van Halen:
  • John Holmberg [09:28]: "Now I have to hear Daryl Hall sing ‘Love Walks In’...it would have changed Van Halen to be like, ‘alright, Daryl Hall’s our new lead singer.'"
• On early country music:
  • John Holmberg [11:00]: "I don’t understand that. Why are we even listening to that stuff and then trying to say…it’s because they’re trying to make it racial."
• On Wizard of Oz salaries:
  • John Holmberg [12:22]: “Still nothing. That's a Kenny Dillingham.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Celebrity deaths: David Soul, Cindy Morgan | 02:27–04:12 | | Rocky vs. Rambo fight debate | 04:12–05:31 | | Beetlejuice 2 updates | 05:31–06:15 | | Albums turning 40, turning 40 jokes | 06:15–07:54 | | Daryl Hall nearly joining Van Halen | 07:54–09:44 | | Oldest recorded country song segment | 10:00–11:33 | | Wizard of Oz staff salaries | 12:05–13:40 | | Wicked Witch’s coffee commercials/jokes | 13:41–16:44 |

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Conclusion

This episode captures Holmberg and his team at their freewheeling, comedic best—mixing nostalgia, pop culture trivia, music geekery, and their brand of caustic, sometimes poignant humor. Whether it’s a breakdown of movie lore, a debate about fictional character fights, or a roast of old commercials, the show entertains with wit and zero filter, making even topics like 1890s country music and Wizard of Oz contracts feel vital and hilarious.

Transcript

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[Entertainment Co-host]

Well, on Friday, before we signed off, we found out that David Soul from Starsky and Hutch passed away.

[John Holberg]

Very dead.

[Entertainment Co-host]

But not too much longer after that, another celebrity dropped. Who? Actress Cindy Morgan. Oh, Lacey Underall.

[John Holberg]

This is a big one.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Caddyshack. She was 69. All right.

[John Holberg]

Do you remember Lacey Underall from Caddyshack? You don't? No, no.

[Entertainment Co-host]

By name. I don't know.

[John Holberg]

Patty Shack. I know Caddyshack, but she's the blonde Lacey Underall. Oh. Oh, okay. You don't know.

[Brett Vesely]

Hang on. Remember the movie?

[John Holberg]

Do you remember Tron, the movie? Lacey Underall?

[Brett Vesely]

Just.

[John Holberg]

Oh, yeah, yeah. She was the one that wanted to smoke weed with Spalding and how. What was his weed? Bread.

[Brett Vesely]

Because some Negroes gave it.

[John Holberg]

That's exactly right. That's why he liked it. Good stuff. I got it from a Negro. That was the seventies. It was great. Lacey Underall showed her boobs in that, and I watched. Great. They were fantastic. 70s boobs. Beautiful lady. Was she naked with Chevy Chase in that when he was pouring oil with Danny. Danny. That's right. That's right.

[Entertainment Co-host]

I thought she might have went into the pool. Into Chevy's pool.

[Brett Vesely]

She did, but you didn't really get to see much.

[Entertainment Co-host]

It was just a quick.

[John Holberg]

When she's in the golf shirt. Ah, Caddyshack. Lacy Underall is gone. So long. Lacy. Is that her? In later years, I didn't know she.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Was in Falcon Crest, too.

[John Holberg]

Oh, Danny. Doesn't work out for any of them, does it? The horrors of aging. Wow, look at that. I'm sorry.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Sylvester Stallone addressed the question, who would win in a fight, Rocky or Rambo? And he did his response on Instagram.

[John Holberg]

I know the answer to this. Rambo.

[Entertainment Co-host]

He went back and forth.

[John Holberg]

Rambo wins this hands down. He's not what he said.

[Brett Vesely]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.

[John Holberg]

In a boxing ring, Rambo sanctioned, killed.

[Entertainment Co-host]

But if those just fought, if Rocky could land five shots and get it done, that's the only chance he has. Because once it goes to the ground, and once you take out the boxing and it goes to the street, sure, there's no way self defense training.

[Brett Vesely]

He kicked the hell out of Tommy Gunn. So yeah, on the street, in the.

[John Holberg]

Street, in the boxing. And the worst Rocky ever. Without question, terrible Rocky. But Rambo would destroy him for Rocky's.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Eyes and gouges them out.

[John Holberg]

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's. Look, you put him in a ring with rules and Rambo's gonna get killed. The two just fight in a bar. Rambo's gonna have his ass. Rambo took out full army.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holberg]

One on one with Rocky the heavyweight champ. Come on. Floyd Mayweather went to jail and got scared.

[Entertainment Co-host]

It surprised me how much Rocky or how much Sylvester Sloan said Rocky has a chance.

[John Holberg]

Well, it's like having his kids fight. You can't. Rambo would slaughter Rocky in a fight.

[Entertainment Co-host]

It looks like Beetlejuice 2 is happening. Brad Pitt's company, Plan B is now involved. And is Alex Baldwin gonna be in it, filming early this summer.

[Brett Vesely]

Somebody should have took the plan B pill before green lighting that.

[John Holberg]

I know exactly how to get rid of Beetlejuice. Give me the gun.

[Entertainment Co-host]

So far, Keaton's in, Baldwin's in. Say Baldwin Ryder is in. Tim Burton is back directing. Nothing about Baldwin.

[John Holberg]

Come on. Baldwin and Gina Davis have to be in. I know they kind of died in the first one, but they can come back.

[Entertainment Co-host]

They said they're gunning to get Alec back in the.

[John Holberg]

I'll.

[Entertainment Co-host]

I'll.

[John Holberg]

I'll do Beetlejuice too, but I have to shake the rust off.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Nice.

[John Holberg]

Thank you.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Thank you.

[John Holberg]

Proud of that.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Albums that turned 40 this year.

[John Holberg]

Oh, this hurts.

[Entertainment Co-host]

1984, Van Halen. That's right. Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi.

[John Holberg]

Wow.

[Brett Vesely]

That's runaway, right?

[John Holberg]

Yeah, that's the first one. Yeah, yeah.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Heartbeat City, the Cars. Born in the U.S.A. bruce Springsteen, Ride the Lightning. Metallica.

[John Holberg]

Another one turning 40 on the couch. Jen Gardner expires this year. When's your birthday? January. What? Oh, it's like two weeks, you're done. Then you start going lacy underall. For later years, let's go on a Tahoe to ski. You hit an age this year that unfortunately for women, and I don't think this is fair, people start saying this to you, and I've noticed this, you look great for your age. They add in your age at the end. They don't say, you look brave, you look beautiful. Yeah. I can't believe you're still wearing. That is a thing people will say that is daring. Yeah. 40 is a tough one for Purple Rain, Prince. That's 40.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Yeah.

[John Holberg]

Oh, man.

[Entertainment Co-host]

The Unforgettable Fire. You too. And your guy, Reckless Brian Adams.

[John Holberg]

And then you think again, like I do this time. Meld thing in my head all the time. Forty years ago, those albums came out in 1984. If we did this list, it was 1944. Glenn Miller's greatest spots. Go get them over there.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Maybe a Rolling Stones album.

[John Holberg]

Yeah, they might have been around still, but. Yeah, how about that 44.

[Entertainment Co-host]

So imagine this back when David Lee Roth.

[John Holberg]

She's an actress.

[Entertainment Co-host]

When David Lee Roth left Van Halen, yeah, a lot of people were hot. Not real happy that Sammy Hagar was the replacement. Right.

[Brett Vesely]

I was one.

[John Holberg]

I was, too.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Yep. But when that happened, Eddie and Valerie Bertinelli went to a Hall and Oates show. And they went backstage after the show and asked Eddie asked Daryl Hall.

[John Holberg]

Darrell hall to do it.

[Entertainment Co-host]

You want to join Van Halen? And he's like, yes. At first I was like, what? And then he was asking, and I thought he was half joking, but I think you're serious. And I really do believe he was serious.

[John Holberg]

The guy. Can I sing anything?

[Entertainment Co-host]

Seriously?

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[Entertainment Co-host]

But I went, I think I've got my own stuff going on. It just.

[Brett Vesely]

He made the smart move.

[John Holberg]

Yeah, but, yeah, that's.

[Entertainment Co-host]

They would have the same reaction as Sammy Hay 100. Probably worse.

[Brett Vesely]

Yeah.

[John Holberg]

But now I have to hear Daryl hall sing. Even love walks in and think it would have changed Van Halen to be like, all right, Daryl Hall's our new lead singer. Some of these love songs make sense now.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Why wouldn't they have Eddie and Daryl's house back in the day?

[Brett Vesely]

Oh, that would have been great.

[Entertainment Co-host]

That then they could have done a couple.

[John Holberg]

I want to hear Daryl hall sing a couple Van Halen songs because he can sing anything.

[Brett Vesely]

Is Daryl's house still on?

[John Holberg]

I don't know.

[Entertainment Co-host]

I don't think so.

[John Holberg]

I haven't watched forever. I don't think so either. But it's worth revisiting. A few of them are just. It's mind blowingly excellent musicianship.

[Entertainment Co-host]

I played this for you this morning. The oldest recorded country song was originally 1927. They found a new one that dates back to 1891. Guy named Lewis Vasnier in New Orleans. Song's called Thompson's Old Gray Mule.

[John Holberg]

Is it terrible?

[Entertainment Co-host]

The recording's pretty bad. But you can figure out this song. Let's hear.

[John Holberg]

Oh no. This is a. More emo. This is a. This is the original country music. Still. The more to me it's still that guy. Now what did you have it? Toledo. The original. The very first country song ever recorded. That sounds like every song recorded in the teens and twenties.

[Brett Vesely]

Like it better cuz I can't understand it.

[Entertainment Co-host]

1891.

[John Holberg]

I don't believe that.

[Byron from MMP Guns]

That's enough.

[John Holberg]

Oh, gee, sorry. First recording ever. That's what they all sound like. Now here's a little number I recorded yesterday. It's a country song. I call it country because it's from the country. Here we go. There you go. Enjoy. I don't understand that. Why are we even listening to that stuff and then trying to say. And it's because they're trying to make it racial.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Yeah. Because the guy in 1927.

[John Holberg]

Yeah, the black guy.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Yeah.

[John Holberg]

So they're saying he invented country music, but we're only getting it off that.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Jimmy Rogers and the Carter Family.

[John Holberg]

Maybe he did, but every song back then sounded just like that. You can't say it invented anything. And I don't want to blame black people for country music. It's the worst invention ever.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Someone put up the. The money that the staff, the cast for the wizard of Oz made. The original wizard of Oz, Judy Garland.

[John Holberg]

What they made initially, yeah. $12,000.

[Entertainment Co-host]

She made 9,600, which would be about 218,000 today.

[John Holberg]

Still nothing. That's a Kenny Dillingham.

[Brett Vesely]

They get any residuals on that?

[John Holberg]

That's what I want to know. Did they get paid for the years and years and years that it got?

[Entertainment Co-host]

Was she doing wizard con in the 50s? Yeah. I'm not sure if they had.

[John Holberg]

No. Unless those were in the deep bars.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch of the west, made 21,000, which would be 476,000 today.

[John Holberg]

And she just kept showing up in the makeup.

[Entertainment Co-host]

She was a Broadway star. And she also suffered burns from filming a scene with fire. The studio kept her on for six more weeks.

[John Holberg]

Wow. I remember in the 70s when she'd show up and stuff. Like do coffee. Remember the Mr. Coffee commercial? Or the Folgers. She was. She was a Folgers commercial. Yeah. The wicked witch without her makeup. When you're a kid and the only thing you know her from is that. And then she shows up and you recognize her immediately as a lady that steals dogs. How about a little coffee?

[Brett Vesely]

There's that.

[John Holberg]

Folger. I start my day with it.

[Entertainment Co-host]

The scarecrow made 72 grand. Around 1.6ft degree in today's money.

[John Holberg]

That's huge.

[Entertainment Co-host]

He was already a star on Broadway. Yeah.

[Brett Vesely]

See? He made more than Judy Garland.

[John Holberg]

Judy Garland was 19. Nobody knew who she was.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Jack Haley.

[John Holberg]

She was actually 17 I think when they filmed her. Totally illegal. There's. There's Margaret Hamilton and the Folgers.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

The only kind I sell.

[John Holberg]

Horrifying.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

I think it tastes best.

[John Holberg]

This is good.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

Good to the last job. That Smaxwell House. It's always good.

[John Holberg]

Weren't you that wacky witch? You that wacky witch in that acid trip movie.

[Brett Vesely]

Oh damn. It's the witch.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

Like they say.

[John Holberg]

What's she doing? She's in the corner of the store. In the corner of a thing. Sewing. Hi. Hello. Would you like some coffee?

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

Here you can make good coffee as easy as I can.

[John Holberg]

Changes everything. Cora. Her coffee's been great with Maxwell House. Something old really can beat something new.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

Like this. Say Good to the last drop.

[Entertainment Co-host]

So they came in. Was that days later. Cuz the opening.

[John Holberg]

Same clothes. They had different clothes.

[Entertainment Co-host]

And she was selling seeds. She had seeds like Burby.

[John Holberg]

There they are again.

[Entertainment Co-host]

It looks different clothes.

[John Holberg]

Just this black couple. Can't get enough of that witch's coffee.

[Entertainment Co-host]

How about trying See the seeds?

[Byron from MMP Guns]

Yeah.

[John Holberg]

She's selling flowers.

[Entertainment Co-host]

And then the next one they come in. She rearranged everything.

[John Holberg]

This is good. He's not wrong. The seeds are still there. But the desk is different.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Cora.

[John Holberg]

Her coffee's been great. Something old really can beat something new.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

Like they say. Good to the last drop.

[John Holberg]

Sold out. My seat.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Was that a photo of Teddy Roosevelt too?

[John Holberg]

Because that was what she remembered as the good old days.

[Entertainment Co-host]

He was a rough rider.

[John Holberg]

That's when this country mattered. Back before you people could come in and sully my store asking for coffee.

[Entertainment Co-host]

You think?

[John Holberg]

Crazy green bitch. That's right.

[Entertainment Co-host]

A lot Going on in that photo. That is Teddy.

[John Holberg]

That's Teddy Roosevelt. She has a longing, loving photo of President Teddy Roosevelt on her wall. Nobody does that. This was when this country mattered and the right people weren't allowed to be in public like you two. Some coffee? Don't take any coffee from that crazy green. She gonna poison us.

[Entertainment Co-host]

The best was the second follow up commercial. They splashed water on it, melting.

[John Holberg]

Daddy wouldn't have seen to this. There she is again. Simple adjustment, Cara. That clock's as old as day. It is that David?

[Brett Vesely]

Yes.

[Entertainment Co-host]

Not that one.

[John Holberg]

My Mildred ought to taste this coffee.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

It's Maxwell House. I think it tastes best.

[Entertainment Co-host]

There's been a crime.

[John Holberg]

Csi Murder Only kind.

[Maxwell House Coffee Voice]

Fair enough. When something works, you stick with it.

[John Holberg]

That's the World's Sexiest Man. 1990. You don't suppose he bones a witch, do you? That's crazy. What a weird thing that is. I don't know.

[Entertainment Co-host]

He's got his overalls on.

[John Holberg]

You remind me of Teddy Roosevelt. Everyone died.

[Entertainment Co-host]

You like it?

[John Holberg]

Big reds. I'm getting a picture of Teddy Roosevelt and hanging at my house. People come over. What's this? When this place mattered is what it is. Back when America was a thing.

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[John Holberg]

Nobody.

[Brett Vesely]

Nobody.

[John Holberg]

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