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Radio Host
There we go. Sasha Baron.
John Holmberg
That was five more minutes.
Radio Host
This could be his great trick on the world to get people to talk about the news. Pass him through, he says. Finally. Did he say patch him? What are we, NASA?
Radio Co-host
Thanks, Radar.
Radio Host
Patch him through. Patch him through. All right, please hold. You can just see the operator shoving all those things. Patch him through. It's NASA. Oh, there he is on the line there. Sacha Baron Cohen is on the line with us. Are you there, sir?
Sacha Baron Cohen
I am indeed. I'm speaking from Cannes in the south of France.
Radio Host
Oh, how beautiful. Well, we're in Phoenix.
Radio Guest or Caller
La de da.
Radio Host
And we are. Yes, we are not in as beautiful a place as you.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, I remember the last time I was in. You were in Phoenix.
Radio Host
Mm.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, the last time I was there, actually, I went to Tucson and I sang this song called Throw the Jew down the well.
Radio Host
Yes, I remember that. I was in Borat. That was brilliant.
Sacha Baron Cohen
That was it. It was bull, right?
Radio Guest or Caller
It was throw the Jew down the well so my country can be free. We have. They take everybody money I will never give it back.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Something like that. That was the last time I was in Tucson.
Radio Host
Yeah, I was in the crowd that night.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah, of course you sang along.
Radio Host
I was the only one going, yeah, toss them, man. It would have been awesome. So we do have a beef with you. First off, you very rarely go on tv not in character. But for radio, of course, you're Sacha Baron Cohen. We feel that you're basically saying radio is not worth your time. Insult, insult.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Quite the opposite. You're getting the real me. You're getting the real me.
John Holmberg
But does that.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Listen, I'll give you this. I will come. I give you my word to come back on in character if you have me.
Radio Host
Of course we'll have you.
John Holmberg
That fills more time for us.
Radio Host
That's less us. That's always good.
Sacha Baron Cohen
All right, great.
Radio Host
Perfect. There you go. Now tell us about the dictator. I want to know about that real quick.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Okay, so basically, it's opening today, and it's basically the story of this kind of North African dictator who gets down and out in New York and ends up working in. In a kind of vegan health food store in Brooklyn. So if you can imagine kind of Colonel Gaddafi in a kind of vegan health food store, that's kind of the.
Radio Host
Basis, actually, because I was reading that there was a book that Saddam Hussein had written that was like a love story about his own life and that there were parts that. Have you read that book?
John Holmberg
And kind of based.
Radio Host
Little pieces.
Sacha Baron Cohen
No, you know what? We released that statement. It was a total mislead because.
Radio Host
Okay, see, I had no idea if that was real or not.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, at the time, you. The movie, the kind of character was kind of inspired by Colonel Gaddafi. And when we wrote this, Colonel Gaddafi was alive, and we were scared that Colonel Gaddafi would try and, you know, shut the movie down. And I'd actually met up with this guy I know, who's very senior in one of the Arab governments, and I said, you know, you know, I go, listen, I'm going to make a movie inspired by Gaddafi. Is Gaddafi still dangerous? And the guy goes, yes, he tried.
Radio Guest or Caller
To kill my father last year.
Sacha Baron Cohen
And so. So, you know, as a result of that, you know, he was still killing a lot of people. And we thought, okay, we don't want, you know, like, terrorists blowing up the set or anything. Let's. We sent out a mislead about Saddam Hussein.
Radio Host
Okay, all right, so smart, very smart. Because you were trying to get off the trail of Gaddafi, so he didn't try to kill him.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah. But then Colonel Gaddafi got killed. I mean, it was.
Radio Guest or Caller
That was the weird thing.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah. We were writing all this stuff and then, you know, world events kept on changing, you know, then, like, you know, we had this joke about. We had a bunch of jokes about Osama bin Laden. And, you know, he got killed. And we were. We were. We were like the only guys in the world who are sad. We're like, that was a great bit, you know. You've ruined it for us.
Radio Host
Thanks a lot, SEAL Team Six.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah, thank you.
John Holmberg
Couldn't you have waited a year?
Radio Host
Come on, what was the joke?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, you know, we had a joke that basically we had that Osama bin Laden was actually hiding in the palace in. And like. And that he's the worst ever house guest.
Radio Guest or Caller
You know, I go to the toilet and he has left a mess. If you want to see the real meaning of terrorism, go to the toilet after Osama. And he's always putting the wrong DVDs in the wrong cases. I go to watch Batman Returns and he's put in Jumanji. Have you ever seen Jumanji? Wtf. What, the Fukurma, Al Majia.
Sacha Baron Cohen
That kind of thing. See?
John Holmberg
Why did he have to die?
Radio Host
He brought so much joy. Bring him back.
Sacha Baron Cohen
I know, he. Well, listen, we've got a little twist. We've got a little twist. We've kind of. We've saved a bit of that.
Radio Host
All right. Speaking of twists, you're a Hollywood insider, right?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, I don't know about that.
Radio Host
I think you are. I think you're an honest guy, too. What about this Travolta thing? Anybody else, you know, doing that?
Sacha Baron Cohen
I'm not sure.
Radio Guest or Caller
What.
Sacha Baron Cohen
What is it? I have. I'm hearing Cannes, what's been going on with Travolta?
Radio Host
He's got these massage therapists all over the United States now coming out suing him. Well, there's five who've said it that.
John Holmberg
Say that he aims his.
Radio Host
Like during a massage. He gets a hard on and aims his butthole at them.
Radio Guest or Caller
Well, I don't know.
Sacha Baron Cohen
When I massaged him, he was just totally flattered.
John Holmberg
Did he ever aim his butthole, though?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah, obviously the butthole, but not the, you know, just. He was totally relaxed. I couldn't get, you know, which personally I take as great insult.
Radio Host
Sure. Were you in character or were you.
Sacha Baron Cohen
What is it? What am I. What am I unattractive?
Radio Host
Why are you not hard yet? Yeah, so.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, listen.
Radio Host
Go ahead. Yeah.
Sacha Baron Cohen
I mean, listen, maybe I'll sue him. Maybe I'll sue him.
Radio Host
You should get in on that. And now you've aimed your butthole at someone obviously in the past. Right. For pleasure.
Sacha Baron Cohen
I have. I mean, I've been in the position of. In Borat, I had somebody's butthole in my face. And then I managed at the MTV Awards to have my butthole in Eminem space. So I've had it kind of both ways now. Now I had 2, 269, a kind of 138.
Radio Host
Now the, the two things that I've. The Eminem thing was he was. He was not in on that. He was in on that. What's the reveal on that?
Sacha Baron Cohen
I can reveal that Eminem was in on it. It was a kind of very awkward phone call because you have to. It's not easy to get hold of Eminem. And he's got his manager on the phone and, you know, and basically I called him up and I said, listen, hi, I'm a big fan. I'm doing the MTV Awards and I've got one question. Can I stick my balls and ass in your face? And there's like a 20 second silence on the phone. You know, him and his management team. And then just suddenly he asked, will you be wearing a G string? And I said, yes. He goes, I'll do it.
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Maddie Akupd
Holmberg's morning sickness.
John Holmberg
Nice.
Radio Host
Now. So that was the one thing. Now, originally, had he said, will you be wearing nothing, would you have still done it?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, he wouldn't have agreed. I mean, that was. It was a kind of complicated stunt because I had to drop 30ft from the air and, you know, land in his face. But, I mean, you know, the other stuff is all. No one's in on it. I mean, Ryan Seacrest at the Oscars was not in on it, you know.
Radio Co-host
And we hear intended it for Clooney.
Radio Host
Yeah.
Sacha Baron Cohen
No, that's not true. I think Seacrest has been. You know, he's been. You know, I kind of thought. I thought it would be too mean if I did on Clooney.
Radio Host
People like Clooney. People love Clooney. People want grind Seacrest covered in death.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah. I mean, also, listen, it's Clooney's night. He's been nominated. I mean, Seacrest is just there kind of, you know, interviewing people. And, you know, after the event, I bought him a new identical jacket, you know, with a little label inside. Yeah.
Radio Host
Totally unnecessary. What a nice guy.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Totally unnecessary. I didn't get any thank you.
John Holmberg
I mean, he didn't even thank you.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Didn't even thank me, but. Yeah, but it was kind of a weird situation because the, you know, the academy banned me from the Oscars, and the head of the academy called up my agent and said, if he turns up within half a mile of the OSCARS, I have 250 FBI agents who are undercover, and he will be arrested.
Radio Host
What if the dictator wins an Oscar? Yeah.
John Holmberg
What are they going to do next?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Exactly. Well, that was it. I mean, I was in a movie where, you know, that movie I was turning up for was nominated for 10 Oscars.
Radio Host
You were in a Hugo?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah, I was in Hugo. And he was. Yeah, it was kind of bizarre.
Radio Host
Yeah.
John Holmberg
And you weren't allowed in now, are.
Radio Host
You the only person that is not being accused of communism that hasn't been allowed in the Oscars.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah. I don't know if they've ever had somebody who's been nominated actually barred. I mean, when we got there as well, the police surrounded the limo, and we had, like, the urn of Kim Jong Il's ashes there. And the cop on his clipboard had a picture of me as the dictator. And he said, listen, I'm gonna have to search your car.
Radio Guest or Caller
Yeah.
Sacha Baron Cohen
He goes, I'm search your car because I believe we've been led to believe that you have live ammunition in there.
Radio Host
Really?
Sacha Baron Cohen
And you're bringing in guns. Yeah. And so I didn't want him to search the car because I had the urn there with the Kim Jong Il's ashes. So we had these kind of three virgin guards in there, three sort of attractive women. And I said, okay, you know, because this dictator that I'm playing, he goes everywhere with, you know, 25 virgin gods.
Radio Guest or Caller
I check their virginity every night with.
Sacha Baron Cohen
The head off my penis. And so I said, you know, sure. You know, you can strip search me and strip search the girls if you want.
Radio Host
Yes.
Sacha Baron Cohen
And the cop got really embarrassed and decided kind of not to search the car as a result, and we managed to smuggle the urn in.
Radio Co-host
Now, I got a question for you. You had the urn, and they're probably not Kim Jong Ils. Whose ashes were they?
Radio Host
Was it just dirt?
Sacha Baron Cohen
They were one of the massage therapists.
Radio Host
They finally got rid of that guy. Good, good. No more bad news about buttholes. That's what I'm saying. That's my dream world. So, Isla Fisher. Things going well there, or do I still have hope?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, you know, we've been together 10 years, but.
Radio Host
You tired of her yet?
Sacha Baron Cohen
You know, it's hard to be tired of her.
Radio Host
Yeah. Is she sick of you? What kind of shenanigans you get around with her? Does she get. Does she go for all the crap or.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, you know, the thing is, you know, I'll come back from a day at work, and she'll go, what did you do today, honey? And, you know, I'll say, well, you know, I was in a cage match. I had, you know, 800 rednecks try to kill me. And then I got arrested. And she'll go, all right. Okay. You want to go to sleep, you know, so does she think you're funny?
Radio Host
Because most wives with a funny husband are kind of think they're funny, but after a while they're like, I'm sick of this guy.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah. You know, listen, she's hilarious and we try to keep the work out of the house.
Radio Host
Yeah. Which is good. Well, there you go. It's awesome. And it's you. You know what? I'm glad you weren't the dictator. Sacha Baron Cohen. It's much better this way. We get to know you.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Really? Thank you very much.
Brett Vesely
What about you?
Radio Host
Should we know that no one knows about Sasha Baron Cohen? What's a little secret about it?
Radio Co-host
Are you a big sports fan?
Radio Host
Who cares about that?
John Holmberg
Give me something good.
Sacha Baron Cohen
What? What can I tell you? I have chickens. I raise.
Radio Host
You do have chickens.
Radio Co-host
What kind?
Radio Host
For what reason?
Sacha Baron Cohen
They are called bantam hens. And to have their eggs. I have fresh eggs every morning.
Radio Host
No kidding. So you have your own little chicken thing going on? Do you have people?
Radio Guest or Caller
That's it.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Not that interesting. But that' that's my little secret.
Radio Host
But something I would have never guessed.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Exactly. Me as a chicken farmer, you out.
Radio Host
There now as the dictator.
Byron from MMP Guns
Yeah.
Sacha Baron Cohen
You've always got to have a second profession in case the movie business falls down.
John Holmberg
Exactly.
Radio Host
But as a method actor going out there as the dictator had to kind of freak the chickens out now and again.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah, exactly. I mean, they. You know what? Chickens actually respond very well to dictatorships. Is that true? The whole pecking order thing was kind of originated.
Radio Host
You know, they were kind of the original dictator, kind of.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Yeah, exactly.
Radio Host
The whole hand thing. Well, there you go. Well, the movie is out today. Why a Tuesday release? That's weird.
Radio Guest or Caller
It is.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Well, I think there was this little movie. There's actually. It's actually being released at midnight Tuesday night.
Radio Host
Okay.
Sacha Baron Cohen
So it's a Wednesday release, I think, because there's this little movie called the Avengers came out, and we decided to move a little bit. A little bit further away from that.
Radio Host
So just stay away from the Avengers. So you're afraid of the Avengers, is what you're saying?
Sacha Baron Cohen
Terrified.
Radio Host
Terrified. Now, will there be an.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Why wouldn't I be? Yeah, it is the biggest movie of all time.
Radio Host
Now.
John Holmberg
You will.
Sacha Baron Cohen
But what I would say is, you know. You know, I've been editing the movie for the last seven months, and we play it out every week in front of a different crowd of 500 people. And the laughs have been as big as anything I've seen in Borat or any work that I've done beforehand. So try and see it when there is packed theater. So I would recommend going early.
Radio Host
Yeah, early and often. Borat, does he make a return ever?
Sacha Baron Cohen
You know what I Miss Borat.
John Holmberg
I miss Borat.
Sacha Baron Cohen
But when I was playing Borat, you know, I grew my own moustache. And I never, like, used deodorant because we always had to, you know, I wanted to convince people that I was the real guy. So for six months, I'd be. You know, I'd be stinking and walking around with the moustache. So it was not. It was not easy.
Radio Host
Did you really deuce in the bag at that southern lady's home?
Sacha Baron Cohen
You know what? That was not actually mine, but that was my costume designer. He. I said, you know, because we went round the team there, like, five of us in the team, and I just go, all right, someone's gonna have to drop one.
Radio Host
So it's real human poop.
Sacha Baron Cohen
And I. Yeah, I said, who's gonna do. You know, you're in a real life situation, so if you're doing anything that's not real, people are gonna figure it out. True. So I said, someone's gonna have to drop it. And he said, I'll do it. And he.
Radio Co-host
Not only that, bag it. Let's take some bagging.
Radio Host
It's not putting it in the bag. That's a. That's tough to do. Well, there you go. Sasha Baron Cohen.
Sacha Baron Cohen
You know, he actually received a credit on the movie. He was Bo. Species provided by.
Radio Host
I'm gonna go back and watch it. I'm definitely gonna listen.
Sacha Baron Cohen
That's awesome.
Radio Host
There you go. Sasha Baron Cohen. Good luck. The dictator. We're getting the. We're getting the high sign. We've. We've drug over, which is our goal to keep you later and later.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Great.
Radio Host
Perfect.
Sacha Baron Cohen
All right.
Radio Host
Thank you, man. Well, good luck to you.
Sacha Baron Cohen
Thank you very much. Pleasure to be on. Thank you so much.
Radio Host
We'll see you. There you go. Sasha Baron Cohen, everybody. The dictator.
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Date: December 29, 2025
Guests: Sacha Baron Cohen
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
Episode Focus: Sacha Baron Cohen joins the show via phone to promote his film The Dictator and share stories from his unique career, blending candid insight, comedy, and behind-the-scenes tales.
This episode features an entertaining and candid conversation with Sacha Baron Cohen, known for his boundary-pushing comedy characters like Borat and Ali G. He calls in from Cannes, France, to discuss the release of The Dictator, exploring his creative process, wild behind-the-scenes Hollywood anecdotes, and the risks involved in satirizing real-world figures like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein. The hosts keep the tone irreverent, poking fun and drawing out Cohen’s unique comic energy.
“I am indeed. I’m speaking from Cannes in the south of France.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [01:42]
“…when we wrote this, Colonel Gaddafi was alive, and we were scared that Colonel Gaddafi would try and, you know, shut the movie down. …he tried to kill my father last year.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen recounting a conversation with a senior Arab government official [04:15]“So we sent out a mislead about Saddam Hussein.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [04:31]
“We were like the only guys in the world who are sad [about Bin Laden’s death]. That was a great bit, you know. You’ve ruined it for us.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [04:59]
[12:23] Asks about his marriage to actress Isla Fisher. Sacha shares that she’s supportive and “hilarious,” but tries to keep work separate from home.
[13:20] Sacha’s surprising hobby: he raises bantam hens for their eggs.
“I am indeed. I’m speaking from Cannes in the south of France.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [01:42]
“We sent out a mislead about Saddam Hussein.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [04:31]
“[On Bin Laden’s death:] We were the only guys in the world who are sad. That was a great bit, you’ve ruined it for us.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [04:59]
“‘Can I stick my balls and ass in your face?’ ... ‘Will you be wearing a G-string?’ ... ‘Yes.’ ... ‘I’ll do it.’”
— Sacha Baron Cohen, recalling asking Eminem to do the MTV Awards skit [07:11]
“Did you really deuce in the bag at that southern lady’s home?”
— Host
“You know what? That was not actually mine, but that was my costume designer...”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [15:30]
“Me as a chicken farmer, you out there…you’ve always got to have a second profession in case the movie business falls down.”
— Sacha Baron Cohen [13:42, 13:47]
This episode of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness provides a hilarious and revealing look at the creative mind of Sacha Baron Cohen. He dishes on the risky inspirations behind The Dictator, the perils of real-world satire, and the logistics of pulling off elaborate pranks on international stars. Listeners gain fresh insight into the life of a comedy icon—his process, his philosophy on authenticity, and even his surprising love for raising chickens. It’s an essential listen for fans of comedy, film, and unfiltered stories from the edge of Hollywood absurdity.