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John Holmberg
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Brian Callan
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You're one of my favorite blondes, I'll tell you that one. I mean, when is this guy going to go gray? His telomeres must be super long.
Brian Callan is here. He's a Desert Ridge Improv tonight. Tomorrow and Sunday, if you want to go. Desertridgeimprov.com and of course, you were telling us about this radical thing you're doing, which is a podcast. Am I saying it right?
Guys, I do a podcast called called Off Limits Now. Well, this fighter and the kid, but I have my own called Off Limit. Yeah, because the things we talk about Off Limit. Wow.
I'd ask you what the topics are, but I don't think we can talk.
Doesn't matter. You talk about this on limits.
Yeah, they're off limits.
Yes.
Except for in your yes, don't even.
Bother trying to listen. Invite only.
You don't subscribe. You have to be invited.
You gotta be invited.
You're The American Express Platinum.
And there's a waiting list. Yeah, there's a waiting list. And more importantly, I'll be at the desert. Desert Ridge. The ridge of the desert. It's my favorite. That, that's like. Where you going? Going to the desert. Which part? The ridge.
The outer.
Nobody comes back from there. It's dangerous. I know.
Callan's hitting the ridge. We'll never see him again. Brian's out there this week if you want to go. Desert Ridge Improv. I got emailed. People sent me this yesterday and they are most curious about you.
Yeah, people like how do I move the way? Yeah. How do you like a panther kid, move the way? Like he's 30.
He's still a dancer at heart. But the. These, they're sending me audio of you. And I didn't know this because I'm. I haven't been invited that you evidently are in cahoots or tight with Sammy the Bull in some sort of way.
I'm. I'm. There is a. There is a very good chance that Sammy the Bull Gravano will be at my show. Don't.
No.
How do you do it? Yeah, I got some. I got some. I think that I actually got some celebs coming. I'm not going to say who they are, but it's kind of exciting. But Sammy the Bull is what I'm the most excited.
That is amazing.
And I call him periodically. We FaceTime when I'm with my friend.
How did that happen?
I had. I literally was watching him and I couldn't stop watching his podcast.
Right.
And I just said, I talked to Patrick David who had had him on because I was doing his podcast. And I said, I gotta. I gotta talk to this guy. Because I was living in New York when Sammy the Bull and John Gotti ran that whole place. Yeah, they controlled everything. But Sammy is one of those dudes. If he hadn't been a criminal, he would have been like a billionaire.
Really?
Yeah, because he's so smart.
Yeah.
And. And he's kind of like, to me, kind of like a modern day samurai. He's one of those dudes who's like, I live by the sword, die by the sword. Like, he's just one of those dudes. He was the guy who. Castellano said, you're a racketeer. You're a businessman and a gangster. And I'm just fascinated by that.
Oh, he's fascinated.
I did a YouTube show with him. I did a two part series called Best of with Brian Callan and whatever Invite only. Invite only. And I flew him out. I flew him out. And I. And I. But I had to have an interview with him. I had to. He's in the background while I'm talking to his assistant. And I had to explain why I was interested in him. And I made. And I said, I'm flying you out, I'm putting you up, and I'm paying you to come out here because.
Out of respect and spend through it.
First of all, Sammy, if you listen, I want to apologize on behalf of these guys over here. Without. There's no respect.
None.
But he comes from the same part of Brooklyn that my mother comes from.
Okay.
So there's a whole thing. But I had a great two days with that. So how do you.
Like what. Because there's got to be. He's the bravest. I don't know if you say the bravest like monster. Because he.
The thing. He hears so many different stories. Understand? If you're from New York, I know where I've eaten at Sparks Steakhouse.
Yeah.
It's in the middle of everything.
Yeah.
So he was like, let's kill the biggest gangster in the middle of everything. And we'll dress up like Russians.
Yeah.
And do it in the road during dinner.
Like it wasn't midnight.
I shoot him in the middle of the day.
Yeah.
Christmas, everybody. Like, wow, we're shopping. And then just. We'll leave. I'd be like, what? Can we. Can we sneak. And I said to him, I go, why don't you sneak up? When he came out of his house. No, I wasn't going to do that. I'm not going to do that in front of his family.
Because of the family.
Yeah.
Yeah. They don't do that to the family. It's a crazy honor. And then at the end, he's the one who tears it all down, sort of.
Yeah.
And then wanders off and says, well.
Because John Gotti, he realized that. He go. They go, you got to take the fall. And he goes, is this how we're going to do that? That's what we're going to do.
Yeah.
Okay. Went right to the Fed.
See it. Because the whole thing had gone into a different element, too. He was old school and this new drug nonsense and everything that had turned into. Wasn't what he.
I think he also realized that John Gotti was gonna kill him.
Yeah. Oh, for sure.
But who knows about this stuff? I don't. You know, I just.
I've watched so many. Like, he's. He doesn't talk because he's Italian. This is. This is. This is where he's.
But then Sammy the ball gets in trouble here in Phoenix.
Well, no, but that's the thing that makes him, like. To me, it's like, you were off, you're done, you're out.
You never had him on the pod on this.
I would love to.
I'm gonna talk to him.
Okay. I would love to, because it would be just a fascinating thing to say, but he's been asked all the questions you can ask. I want to know what he's doing now.
Like, a lot.
I know he's busy, but, I mean, is it the head on a swivel? Is it a constant? No, that's the case.
He's the guy who decided. He's the guy. When he came. When he. When he, you know, came here, he didn't get. He refused witness protection.
Yeah.
He and the Colombo family, I think whoever ran this out here, they were like, they literally said, look, this guy's coming. And when this guy shows up, people end up in the trunks of cars.
Yeah.
So they had to have a sit down with him. They said. They. They said, hey, what are your intentions? He goes, relax.
Yeah.
All right. So when you can.
The best thing you can hear from.
Sarah, an entire family.
Yeah.
Underground family, you. You got something.
And they knew. And he started to do, like, a little drug operation over at asu. And popping pills. Exactly. See, you're learning.
You're learning. I learned from the best. He told.
Oh. But, yeah, so then he. Then he's just like, ah, screw it. I'm Sammy the Bull.
Yeah.
I just gets, like, out in these. Like, that's how scary he is.
He tells stories.
They don't. They don't go and get him.
Yeah. And he gets a lot of requests to come on, but I imagine.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
So, yeah, people were sending me that, and they're like, charming.
He can tell a story. I mean, I din with him. I mean, it was great.
You don't worry.
I learned. I asked him questions. I call him up and I ask him questions. I'm in traffic. I was in traffic, where I was coming from jfk, and I'm sitting in traffic again in New York. Always it takes two hours because they're working construction, and every time they got construction, there's nobody there.
Right.
It's all a scam still. And I call him up. I'm on FaceTime. The Uber driver couldn't believe. I go, sammy, explain to me how you guys did this, because you're killing Me. Your legacy is. Got me in traffic. And he went through all of it. And the guy's, like, talking to Sam and the bulls.
So the Uber driver was okay with the passenger just popping in with Sammy the Bull.
We start. He said, this is the. This is the. The Uber driver brought up that this is the construction that never ends.
Yeah.
And I said, that's.
That's them.
Yeah.
And it's always them. And it's here. Like, what you don't know is it's. It's in, like, Phoenix is hidden.
Yeah.
This is where everybody came to kind of hide out. But they kept their businesses well.
But. But what got the mob was everybody was cameras. Everywhere was the surveillance state. You can't get away with that.
Yeah.
You can't do a hit.
No.
I mean, you got. The trucks don't go missing on the highway. Allegedly. No, they can. They can trace.
And it's crazy because it's. It's all over. And you don't even realize how much it's been. A Caliento story is phenomenal because they had his uncle. I think it was Uncle Frank. And Uncle Frank used to always say things like, you can't get cheese in Chicago without going through me. Like, he was the cheese king of Chicago. He'd remind the family on a regular. Frank tells a story. So great cheese. So he passes away.
Big mouse.
Yeah, he passes away. And they're like, oh, go to Uncle Frank's funeral. Everything's done. And then a few years later, somebody sends a video of a guy in Oklahoma going, you can't get cheese in Oklahoma City without going through me. And then he just shows up again one year, and nobody says a thing. Weren't we at his funeral.
Wow.
I got tired. Oklahoma. I came back.
Yeah. Yeah.
So he comes rolling back up.
Take a little time off.
Yeah.
Took some time away.
Heats off.
Yeah.
And he showed up again. And I'm.
Where'd you get that cheese?
So it's just this undercurrent of all this stuff we don't know and probably don't want to on how this world.
Well, I think the strength back then of the mob was that they. And he. Samuel talks about this was the discipline there was. If you're Italian, you understand this. Like, Italians are very conservative people, actually, especially the family. There's a way to do things. There's a way not to do things. Anything else is nonsense. Don't show up with all your. You know, I mean, that's how it is. My grandfather was that way.
Right.
Anybody was that way. You came to my grandfather with a new diet. I remember I came to him.
He's.
He's cutting into a wheel of parmesan. I go, you know, dairy? Yeah. He should cut an apple with a knife. He just. He could peel an apple with a knife. The Sicilian just, you know, just know. Feed you to the hogs. He would just.
He looked at me just occasionally blurt that out.
My hogs. My hogs are hungry. That's your warning.
Yeah. You didn't get a knock at all.
Once he goes, the hogs. You shut up. He mumble something about being a communist. Nonsense. College nonsense.
So. Yeah. So you kind of grew up around it, but not in it. As far as you know. Maybe you were. I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, I know you don't talk about.
You guys. Mind your peace. That's it.
That's why you're comfortable at dinner with the bull.
That's all. That's not. I. I do love being around. He's just. He's. He's a charming.
It's rich history smart dude.
He's a smart guy. You don't get to be what he is without being very smart. Now he'll tell you he's a stone cold killer.
Yeah.
He said the first time he. You can see it. I. We're. We're in the car, we're driving, and it's on the show Best of with Brian Kelly. Invite only. And. Yeah, it's on YouTube, but invite only. And he. He. He literally is sitting there and he said the first time he killed somebody. He's in the shower. There it is. He's waiting to feel something. And he could feel nothing. And he goes. And he turned. He goes. And that's when I realized I was a stone cold killer. And you just see me turn in my own car. I look at. I look at the camera, I'm like, well, there it is. You got this, right? You got this. Yeah. Wow.
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Brian Callan
I think we're fascinated with people like that because it's not normal. Yeah. Well, I think more it inside of us, we all have a, we all have that dark side, but most of us are too afraid to act on it.
Right.
And then you meet people who just are.
Who did it.
Just living.
Yeah.
I think that's why all those murder.
The murder podcast in the world.
Yeah.
Yeah. I think it's the, my, my theory on stuff like that is like we always try to like look at a school shooting or something like that and try to make it, make it make sense.
Yeah.
And we can't. So we're fascinated by like, how do we normalize this in my brain? That can't do it.
Well, yeah.
Way advanced math school shooter is.
That's mental illness and crazy neurosis. Yeah. When you talk about systematic like organized crime where getting from point A to point B means you're in my way.
Yeah.
And you had to go. Yeah. And you're like, what?
And it's sensible to. Yeah.
You're living that with. There's that that almost that samurai ethos that's like, this is the way of the warrior. You're going to die. You're going to die. You're going to go to jail. Something's going to happen.
You're getting out of my way.
Yeah. I have to pop your chair. You got to, you got to take the 10 year bid because that's the way it is.
Yeah.
You might have to take a 20 year bid. We'll still be here.
Yeah. It's just crazy.
And to me, Canary, I would do.
And that's what I would. I say this all the time. If I was like, I almost surrendered to a hive of bees once. Like, I am a coward. If it came over the hill and said we're in charge. I'm like, where am I? Where's my outfit? Like, I want in.
You and I. You and I like to talk and have a. Have a laugh. I'd be like, first of all, I can't. There's not. There's no good coffee. I was thinking about, like, even if I could carry a gun, I. The truth is, it's heavy.
Yeah, they're heavy.
And it's my hips off. And it'd be literally a matter of, like, within a month, I'd be like, in my house. I'd be like, anybody see my gun? Yeah, it was. I was vacuuming. The car was digging into my. I left it in the backseat. Yeah. I'm not. If.
If any of my flight didn't go to where they're supposed to go.
Yeah.
And I ended up in the wrong hands. You'd have seen me in one of those Al Qaeda videos going, you know, they're not bad. If I would have been. Had the terrible white guy been convert.
I would have been. I convert so quickly, and I have a tattoo of that which said Islam on my chest. I hate Christians. What do you want me to do?
What do you need from me?
Is this the Constitution? Sure. I'll rip it out.
Whatever it takes to just.
That's my idiot. Just tell me where.
So that's the way it makes the most sense. Sammy would kill to get to be. Yeah, I'll surrender to get to be.
Did you ever hear the story of Johnny Keys, when he had Johnny Keys? Johnny Keys was the hitman's hitman. And Johnny Keys looked at him and said he. He knew he was going to die. They had him. They had him.
This was.
This is how he won with Sammy the Bull. That's how he won the war. You got to listen to the story.
Yeah.
Sam Bull went and posed as a punk, and he's like, can I get a glass of water? I'm so nervous and stuff. I want to. We'll have a sit down. I'll meet with you. And. And they get him. They figured out a way to get Johnny Keys, who was the. The. The. The leader and the biggest hitman. The hitman killed 55 people or something. And they finally get him, and he looks at him like this and he goes, do me a favor when you do it, first of all, he goes.
Key says this to him.
Key says, when you do it, have it. Have it. Have it be. Have it done by a friend of ours. In other words, the guy's got to be a made Man, I don't want to be killed by a punk.
No kidding.
And Sammy the Bull sitting there listening to him. And then he goes, do me another favor. When you're done my body, take my shoes off. And he goes, why? He goes, I told my wife I'd die with my shoes off, you know, at home. She. She. It's way. She'll know I was thinking about her at the end.
Oh, my God.
And Sammy the Bull said, I started to fall in love with this guy because he was. He was the embodiment of Cosa Nostra. Yeah, he was the embodiment of a true samurai. And then he introduced him.
He goes, you're gonna make me join this.
You guys are gonna be in my group. I gotta jump in this. Yeah, there's a lot of nudity. I'm not gonna lie. I have a different kind of organized crime. But literally, get the goo ready. But. But. But, hey, you guys want to be in my group?
Biceps deep, we're going biceps, we're going deep.
When do we actually do crime? It just seems like we're doing a lot of gay stuff.
I'm shoulders deep in callus.
Part of the initiation.
Shawbo, he's filming it. What is going on?
Yeah. Why do you smell like cologne? Oh, God. And why are there candles lit? This is weird. Why are you shaving my chest? I even.
Harry, every time I check in on the podcast, it clicks. No, thanks for me. I can't get in. All right, I forgot about that part.
Our gang's called Invited Only. Where was I?
Not members only.
Yeah, but he introduced him. He introduced him. He goes, this man, he's a made man. He's. He's a friend of ours. And then he introduced him to the killer, Johnny. They shook hands and Johnny said. They. He said. I think they took the cuffs off him and they tried to pull him out. He goes, get your hands off him, Sammy the Bull. Get your hands off him. You know, don't touch him.
How much of it's just bloviating. How much of it?
I don't think the winner tells. The winner tells.
Winner tells.
I think when Sammy talks, I don't.
Think any of it is no kidding.
I don't think.
Because he takes pride in how incredibly detailed it actually.
Because a lot of it's ugly to hear. A lot of it's not. You know, you're kind of like, damn. It's like having to kill his best friend. Having to kill guys he knew forever. Yeah, that's. That's. It's not Pretty. He said, I'll tell you the truth. And when you hear it, he said, you want to join this life, you're going to end up in jail and you're going to kill your best friends.
So matter of time, man.
And you join my gang. You're going to kiss.
You'Re going to practice, you're going to get your elbows. Yeah.
So you guys thought this was mafia.
Stuff you have been missing.
This is straight guys gone gay. What?
You've been misled.
You've been. You all been misled. Rape. Coach, are you still in? These are my shovers. And they aren't touching. Touching your thigh.
You know, you get into this life, you're gonna shoulders deep, your best friend. Why shoulders deep? You just trust me.
That's gonna hurt my hands.
There'll be no test like no knuckle first. We're going aces first day.
Well, this is. This is. The report says turbo and.
Yeah, well, yeah, I'm the same way.
I would.
I'd surrender. I have no issues. That's why I admire military guys so much. I actually admire mob guys so much because the bravery and the loyalty to something.
Do you know Tim Kennedy? Who?
I know the name. Why do I know that name?
Tim Kennedy wrote a book called Scars and Stripes. Tim was. Tim was a Green Beret, but part of Sith, which I think is like elite division of the Green Berets. Tim was in the. Tim was in UFC. Fought at 185. One of the best. You had 185ers of all time. Yeah, well, he was a. He was an operator. He was a special forces American hero. And fighting in the UFC at the top of the food chain. Any more questions? Any more questions?
How bad do you feel about yourself?
Oh, dude, we were on vacation. I vacation with guys like this because I like to produce estrogen the whole time. And I got in the ocean, I got in the Atlantic. I was wearing a wetsuit. Not 15 minutes in, I'm shaking like a leaf. Not built for the cold. Got a long neck, everybody. And a sunken chest. Training will be tough. Yeah, yeah. Sunk in chest. Yeah. Long neck, SEAL training. So I ring that bell before, I'd be like, no, I can't. First of all, sharks. Second of all, the current. Yeah. And third of all, too cold. It's too cold. Not built for it. Not built for it. Do you have a division where I stir the. Where I keep the fire warm, where I tend to the fire and keep the soup lukewarm for the guys when they come back? My My code name is stay safe. I. I can't. I can't. But he got in the water. I. I was in a wetsuit. And I was there, I swear to God, 10 minutes in. I'm in the North Atlantic. I'm in the Atlantic.
Yeah.
In the. In the south of France. And I'm. And I'm shaking, and the current's so strong that it's like I. I was. Like I was on a boogie board. He takes a surfboard. I couldn't find a wetsuit that fit his impossibly thick body. His. I sleep under a bridge because I'm a troll with long arms. Body. You're talking about one of the best fighters ever.
Really?
Yeah. And. And he was in the water for an hour in. Just shorts in whistling wind. And it wasn't cold. That's why he's. That's why he's a special force.
Yeah. That's why he's the guy.
And I'm a. I'm his concubine.
Have you been. Have you been on vacation with him since.
Well, this was recently.
Oh, really? Do you think you passed the test to go on the next one?
I don't know. I'll be in Vegas. I'm hosting. He said you're hosting a panel on veteran suicide. I go, whatever you say. So Shot show January 24th. If you're there in Vegas, get. Reserve your hosting that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna moderate. Yeah. Another thing about suicide, guys.
I give my suicide chunk.
Out of the way. Yeah. I got 10 minutes on suicide.
Perfect. You hired the right guy.
I can make anything funny.
Yeah. I can't imagine, like the. The roundtable meeting there. Who's gonna host this? We need somebody funny.
Yeah. Brian Callan.
Callan will do it.
Yeah, I'll do anything.
It's like we were talking yesterday, you know, I'm fascinated because of this life in radio and like advertising and all the stuff that we deal with in America and downtown. They're wrapped buildings, and they do it in every major city now. They got big buildings with advertising on the side. And I saw a picture in Tehran of what was actually quite beautiful art of a missile going through a beautiful blue sky. And it came from the same color palette, the whole thing. Artwork was from the same thing the missile went through. And in Hebrew, and I think. I don't even know what the other language was.
Farsi.
Farsi, that's right. It said, prepare your coffins. That's the tagline that some. They sat around in like Mad Men of Tehran. Yeah.
Look at the hair.
But, like, somebody had to do the artwork. They had to commission a guy to wrap the building. They needed to go, like, now have. Have the Hebrew version in red and the Farsi in yellow. Like, this is a full advertising agency. And how different life is just on the other side of the world. So interesting where it says, prepare your grave like that.
The round table. Prepare your grave.
Yeah.
Pad your grave. I prepared. Now coffin. This coffin sounds more.
Coffin is like a media. There's nobody in it yet. And that's. It's like your babies will die. No, too direct. Too direct.
We don't want the women, the children, the babies are.
And then the one guy whose artwork didn't go, like, yes, people. Just in the air.
It'll be a cubist. Yeah.
There had to be stuff they turned.
That'S a little aggressive.
And then the color pattern, it's too pastel.
It's a billboard.
It's a billboard.
John Holmberg
Can we brighten it up a little bit?
Brian Callan
Yeah, we need to.
The blues need to be more like. Like, people draw the eye. Draw the eye.
Well, the Israelis. The Israelis are like, been here before. Yeah, we're ready.
We got caught.
Netanyahu was part of Syria. Metcal. You guys know what Seriat Metcal is? Yeah, that's the. That's their version of Seal Team 6.
Oh, really?
So, yeah, so Bibi Netanyahu, Benny Gantz and. And Golanz and the other guys who spent a lot of time. Just a lot of time. Those. That Mossad that. Those guys are not playing around.
They can't.
They're. They're. It's biblical. Read the Old Testament. This ain't nothing new. God is mentioned in the Book of Kings a number of times. Yeah, I'll get. I'll get. It's crazy. When you read it, it's like they're like, been here, been here, been ready. And we revived an ancient language. We came from the Russian ghettos. What do you got?
And then I see pictures of missiles.
Oh, the world hates us. Yeah, used to it. No kidding.
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Episode: BEST OF HMS PODCASTS - THURSDAY
Guest: Bryan Callen
Location: Desert Ridge Improv - In Studio
Release Date: January 2, 2025
The episode kicks off with host John Holmberg introducing Bryan Callen, a seasoned comedian known for his sharp wit and engaging storytelling. Bryan delves into his podcast, "Off Limits Now," highlighting its exclusivity and the intriguing, often taboo subjects it explores.
Notable Quote:
Brian Callen [01:37]: "Guys, I do a podcast called Off Limits Now. Well, this fighter and the kid, but I have my own called Off Limit. Yeah, because the things we talk about are Off Limit. Wow."
Bryan elaborates on the unique premise of his podcast, emphasizing its invite-only model. This exclusivity adds an air of mystery and allure, attracting curious listeners eager to uncover the unconventional topics discussed.
Notable Quote:
Brian Callen [02:01]: "You don't subscribe. You have to be invited."
A significant portion of the conversation centers around Bryan's interactions with Sammy the Bull Gravano, a notorious figure in organized crime history. Bryan shares captivating anecdotes from his podcast episodes featuring Sammy, providing listeners with a rare glimpse into the mind of a seasoned mobster.
Notable Quotes:
Brian Callen [03:03]: "There is a very good chance that Sammy the Bull Gravano will be at my show. Don't."
Brian Callen [04:05]: "I flew him out. I flew him out. And I had to have an interview with him. He's in the background while I'm talking to his assistant."
Bryan recounts the complexities of interviewing someone with Sammy's background, highlighting the blend of respect and caution required to navigate such conversations.
The dialogue delves deeper into Sammy's life, unveiling stories that showcase the delicate balance between loyalty and violence inherent in organized crime. Bryan narrates Sammy's philosophical take on life and death within the mob, painting a picture of a man bound by codes of honor yet entangled in brutal realities.
Notable Quote:
Brian Callen [07:14]: "He literally is sitting there and he said the first time he killed somebody. He could feel nothing. And he turns and says, 'That's when I realized I was a stone cold killer.'"
This poignant moment underscores the profound psychological impacts that a life of crime can have on an individual.
Bryan draws parallels between the mob's code and the traditional samurai ethos, emphasizing themes of bravery, loyalty, and sacrifice. This comparison offers listeners a cultural lens through which to understand the motivations and actions of those involved in organized crime.
Notable Quote:
Brian Callen [13:00]: "It's kind of like a modern-day samurai. He's one of those dudes who's like, I live by the sword, die by the sword."
Towards the episode's conclusion, Bryan and John engage in a philosophical discussion about the inherent darkness within humans and society's fascination with figures who embody this darkness. They explore the psychological underpinnings that lead people to both condemn and be intrigued by such figures.
Notable Quote:
Brian Callen [12:44]: "I think we're fascinated with people like that because it's not normal. We all have that dark side, but most of us are too afraid to act on it."
The episode wraps up with Bryan expressing his admiration for military personnel and mob figures alike, citing their bravery and unwavering loyalty. He also hints at future projects and appearances, leaving listeners eager for more insights and stories.
Notable Quote:
Brian Callen [21:11]: "I'd love to talk to him because it would be just a fascinating thing to say."
This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness offers a compelling blend of humor, storytelling, and deep philosophical discussions. Bryan Callen’s candid conversations about his podcast and his encounters with organized crime figures like Sammy the Bull Gravano provide listeners with a unique perspective on topics that intertwine entertainment with profound human experiences.