The Sports Thing Podcast - Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 10 - 10-10-25

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness: The Sports Thing Podcast - Episode 10 (October 10, 2025)

Participants:

• Host: John Holmberg
• Guests/Co-Hosts: Dale Hellstrae (former NFL player), Dave Nash (entrepreneur and local sports personality), Dick Toledo

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Episode Overview

This episode covers the latest in sports with a particular focus on the Ryder Cup, controversial coaching in the NFL (especially surrounding Cardinals’ coach Jonathan Gannon), recent NFL fines including Jerry Jones' infamous middle finger, Mark Sanchez’s legal trouble, the legacy of Bill Belichick, and the looming issue of digital currency and privacy. The hosts inject plenty of their trademark banter, skepticism, and real-world comparisons throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction – Banter, Bios, and Golf Anecdotes (01:34–05:38)

• Hosts introduce themselves with playful banter about their professional histories and athletic backgrounds.
  • Nash’s low-key approach to personal accolades is ribbed by Holmberg and Hellstray.
  • Golf stories abound—course records, playing with Steve Jones (“He had a hole-in-one on a par four...are you kidding me?” – John, 04:44).
  • Theme: The gap between local sports excellence and meeting true professionals.

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The Ryder Cup: Intensity, Rules, and Controversy (05:41–20:39)

National Identity in Sport (05:41–07:16)

• Holmberg on why flag-driven events like the Ryder Cup matter:
  “The second you put a flag in it, we watch curling, for God's sakes.” (06:20)
• The Ryder Cup’s shift from camaraderie to fierce competition.

The Half-Point Rule & Victor Hovland Saga (07:16–15:23)

• Hellstray objects to the ancient rule where an injured singles player results in a half-point for each team:
  “I don’t think it should be, hey, you come up with a...hangover...you’re begging out, it’s a half.” (10:29)
• Discussion on the potential for teams to strategically “beg out” for points.
• Holmberg is shocked by the discovery:
  “The intrigue would have been amazing had America gotten one point...could you imagine the injury going, wow, that really looms large now that full point they lost?” (15:05)

Rule Modernization (15:30–20:39)

• Panel agrees forfeiting should mean losing the whole point, not splitting.
• The danger of exploiting injury rules for strategy.
• Insight into how matchups are arranged for maximum entertainment (“NBC calling…putting pressure on the captains…” – Hellstray, 17:55).
• Admiration for Europe’s surprise heroes (Justin Rose, Tommy Fleetwood).
  • “Somebody on Europe who’s not ranked in the top 20...just lights it up.” (Dave Nash, 19:20)

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TV Ratings & Impact of the NFL on Other Sports (20:39–25:51)

• Women’s Sports Ratings: WNBA’s best-ever finals viewership still modest by comparison:
  • “Game 1...the highest rated since 1997…and they got 1.8 million viewers. I have a radio show in Phoenix almost ties it...” (John, 21:04)
• NFL Dominance:
  • “There’s a thing called the NFL that’s going on right now.” (Hellstray, 20:40)
  • Theory: WNBA schedules against NFL for an excuse for ratings.

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NFL Fines & Conduct: Jerry Jones’ Middle Finger Incident (25:51–39:02)

The Incident and League Response (27:10–31:45)

• Jones' $250K fine for flipping off a fan deemed “conduct detrimental.”
• Skepticism about the NFL’s arbitrary penalty process:
  • “If you make a rule … you should have a penalty associated with it.” (Hellstray, 34:53)
• Jones’ indifference to the fine:
  • “Do you think Jerry even had one bead of sweat on his forehead when he wrote a check for a quarter million dollars?” (Nash, 37:32)

On Fining and Enforcement

• Discussion of the NFLPA’s legal victories regarding “wage theft” (33:32).
• The need for clearly defined disciplinary guidelines.
  • “If you make a rule and you don’t have a penalty, it’s not a rule.” (Hellstray, 35:35)

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Jonathan Gannon, Coaching Physicality & Player Respect (39:02–55:44)

Cardinals Coach Incident (39:02–46:40)

• Gannon scolded and made physical contact with a player after a boneheaded play despite explicit team warnings.
• Broad debate: Is any coach-player contact ever justified in the modern era?
• James Harrison quote:
  • “You can’t put your mother hands on me, bitch!” (42:59)
• Consensus: What was once ‘old school’ tough love is now risky and generally counterproductive.
• Generational differences in expected discipline and response.

Player Leadership & Team Response (49:17–55:44)

• Criticism for lack of player leadership ("Where’s James Conner? ...as the leader of that running back room..." – John, 52:19).
• Reflection on shifting team cultures and the challenge of motivating younger players:
  • “These older coaches don’t work anymore...these guys are 23 years old and grew up in the Malaysia...they want to be coddled.” (John, 47:43)
• Admission: "That Cardinals team is soft. Yeah, and something's wrong with them—and that starts at the top." (John, 50:15)

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Mark Sanchez Incident: Legal Trouble and Reputation (58:32–65:14)

• Summary: Mark Sanchez, described mockingly as “NFL great,” was involved in a violent altercation in Indianapolis.
  • “The meme I saw: Butt fumble is the second worst thing you’ve done.” (Dave Nash, 59:48)
• Speculation on causes (drinking, possible CTE defense in court).
• Comparison to historic athlete criminal cases and how settlements or NFL politics sometimes influence outcomes.

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Bill Belichick Discussion: Legacy and Distraction (68:05–75:48)

• Rumors of Belichick seeking a buyout.
  • “Dave said he's the best coach in the history. That is true, Dale, I remember that.” (Holmberg, 68:11)
• Hellstray’s harsh opinion:
  • "He's a lunatic. He's a great defensive coordinator...you take away Tom Brady, [he’s nothing]." (68:33)
• Discussion of whether Belichick or Brady was more pivotal to the Patriots' dynasty.
  • “Who was more important...Belichick or Brady? Always Brady." (Holmberg, 69:50)
• Side note: Age-gap romance “distracting” Belichick from coaching, adding another blow to his legacy.

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Flacco Trade & Rookie Quarterbacks (76:00–80:24)

• Browns trade Flacco to the Bengals: Is he locker room poison, or are the Browns simply shortsighted?
• Speculation on rookie QBs, lack of tape benefitting debut performances, and Shane Falco jokes.
• “Flacco’s got a game in him every month. Yeah. Yeah. It’s scary.” (Holmberg, 80:09)

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The Five Minutes with a Madman: Dave Nash on Digital ID & Currency (80:50–85:09)

• Nash warns about the global push for Digital ID and cashless societies, drawing parallels with restrictive systems in China and Vietnam.
• “When cash becomes obsolete…and all your money is digitally controlled…they can lock down your bank, your resources, and your freedom is gone.” (Nash, 81:11)
• Nash and Holmberg agree both political parties use distractions/divisions for their own agenda.
• Holmberg: “If the money’s right, all hail our new overlords.” (84:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Description | |-------------|-------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 06:20 | John Holmberg | “The second you put a flag in it, we watch curling, for God's sakes.” | | 10:29 | Dale Hellstray | “I don't think it should be, hey, you come up with a hangover ... you’re begging out, it’s a half.” | | 21:04 | John Holmberg | “Game 1...the highest rated since 1997...they got 1.8 million viewers. I have a radio show in Phoenix almost ties it.” | | 34:53 | Dale Hellstray | "If you make a rule ... you should have a penalty associated with it." | | 42:59 | James Harrison | “You can't put your mother hands on me, bitch!” (audio clip discussing coach-player contact) | | 50:15 | John Holmberg | "That Cardinals team is soft. Yeah, and something's wrong with them—and that starts at the top." | | 59:48 | Dave Nash | “How would you like to be the guy that is infamous...for the butt fumble—and that’s the second worst thing you've done.”| | 69:50 | John Holmberg | “Who was more important...Belichick or Brady? Always Brady.” | | 81:11 | Dave Nash | “When cash becomes obsolete…and all your money is digitally controlled…they can lock down your resources, and your freedom is gone.” | | 84:22 | John Holmberg | “If the money’s right, all hail our new overlords…” |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Approximate Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|----------------------| | Golf Anecdotes and Intro Banter | 01:34–05:41 | | Ryder Cup Controversy & Flag Culture | 05:41–20:39 | | TV Ratings, NFL Dominance | 20:39–25:51 | | NFL Fines & Jerry Jones | 25:51–39:02 | | Jonathan Gannon/Coach-Player Dynamics | 39:02–55:44 | | Mark Sanchez Legal Issue & Athlete Culpability| 58:32–65:14 | | Bill Belichick, Coaching Legacy | 68:05–75:48 | | Flacco/Browns Quarterback Decisions | 76:00–80:24 | | Dave Nash’s Digital Currency Warning | 80:50–85:09 |

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Tone & Style

The tone is irreverent, often skeptical, and colored by the hosts’ old-school sports and life philosophies. They mix humor and heated debate with reflective moments on generational change in sports, media, and society. The banter is candid, sometimes brash, and always unfiltered.

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Summary:
This episode offers a deep and entertaining dive into the evolving world of sports, mixing current controversies (golf, NFL coaching, player discipline) with broader social commentary. The show’s appeal lies in its unvarnished takes, generational perspective clashes, and the riotous, authentic chemistry of its hosts.

Transcript

[John Holmberg]

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[Dave Nash]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellstray]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellstray]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dick Toledo]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellstray]

You know what? Alzheimer's works that way. I can remember in the 90s. I can't remember yesterday.

[John Holmberg]

That's.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Moments of clarity, they call that. The show is starting as we speak. We are recording. We are ready to go. This is that sports thing, AKA the John Holberg sportscast. With permanent guest Dale Hellray and the rest. I am John Holmberg, host of the wildly successful Morning Sickness show. Heard each and every weekday morning at 98KUPD and 98KUPD.com tap that app. Dale, former Dallas Cowboy, NFL superstar and Dallas Cowboy three time world champion Dale Hellstray joins us. And of course, local madman, entrepreneur and super Fiscal. I was gonna say fiscally responsible, but I'm not sure if that's true or not. Is that true? Are you not.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yes, it is.

[John Holmberg]

Are you okay, I'm just gonna give you a compliment in an area nobody ever does.

[Dick Toledo]

Yeah, that's fine.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Fiscally responsible. Dave Nash is here. That's what you're going to be known as, our financial advice guy.

[Dale Hellstray]

The best. I did a radio show with this guy for, like, years and years. Ex radio host.

[John Holmberg]

Don't do that. There's too many of those, you know.

[Dale Hellstray]

What?

[Dave Nash]

Professional football.

[John Holmberg]

There you go. Former professional baseball player Dave Nash.

[Dave Nash]

Whatever.

[John Holmberg]

You need a bio, man.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. Didn't you win a region championship?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You got titles?

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

You know, local golf champion.

[John Holmberg]

You've probably won a few tournaments. You're pretty damn good at golf. Yeah. Hey, you got a couple trophies in the house, Maybe.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

See there? Why are you so. There's a little conspiracy there. Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

You know, I had the course record.

[John Holmberg]

At the Foothills for two years, and then. Who broke it?

[Dale Hellstray]

Some guy in the.

[Dave Nash]

The.

[Dale Hellstray]

The Tour. Pepsi Tour.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

He said, I shot 62. He shot 61.

[John Holmberg]

62.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

From the tips. The championship tees.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, it was.

[John Holmberg]

Holy cow.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, you just don't go out there jerking around with your friends and go, hey, I got the course record. It's got to be an event.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I'll tell you this. I was with Steve Jones, former pga. He won the British Open, the Phoenix, a couple others, and I golfed with him. And you were a very good golfer. Probably. Oh, I'm not.

[Dave Nash]

He is.

[John Holmberg]

Damn. We can give Nash's credit.

[Dale Hellstray]

No, I. But I'm telling you, I. I don't. I'm not. There's not even a comparison.

[John Holmberg]

That was what I was about to say.

[Dale Hellstray]

Not even.

[John Holmberg]

Here's the thing. I've golf with some really good guys, Corn fairy, those type dudes. And I'm like, these guys didn't make it.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

It's shocking. You're very good, and I think you're on the cusp of being in that category of back in the day.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Okay, maybe not now, but I'm telling you, I've seen people golf before that are good, and it's like, okay, Dave's doing stuff.

[Dave Nash]

Back in the day, he could reach over and tie his shoes. Now he just use a slip on.

[John Holmberg]

Steve Jones, who is older than you, can fart and talk while he's swinging and place it anywhere he wants. I'm playing with him at the Raven down here in South Phoenix and about the. And he sounds sort of goofy all the time. Anyway, so he's talking, he goes, johnny, you know what? And he hits the ball within an inch of the cup. And that's probably the ninth time of the day he's done that. I think if I hit this putt, I'm 12 under, 13th hole, right? And he goes, yeah, course record coming. And he said, if I put my mind to it, I'd have broke it today. I'm like, you're.

[Dave Nash]

That.

[John Holmberg]

He had a hole in one on a par four when we played in a scramble once. And I hit a. I hit a bomb. I hit a bomb. It was like a 375 yard thing. I don't know what he hit and bounced and rolled, right? And I was probably about 318. And I'm doing backflips at the bomb. I hit as you should be. And I'm like, we're using my ball on this. And we all gather on mine. And Steve goes, I can't find it. I said, I think it's up in the traps. You hit it further than me, but I think you're in the traps. He's walking around, he goes, hey, pulls the pin, and his SJ ball rolls out. And I'm like, are you kidding me? I can't even guess.

[Dave Nash]

We're still using my.

[John Holmberg]

That's what I said. This is not good enough. I hit at 320 yards where we're using mine. Crazy.

[Dave Nash]

Was that before the waggle started?

[John Holmberg]

You know, this was back when I used to do this weird kind of, Dorothy, let's go home kick with my feet. I've always had something. I've always said some mental. It's baseball. You know that baseball gets in your head and you start doing little weird things. Like this actually works. I'll.

[Dale Hellstray]

I'll confirm that you're mental.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, we didn't need the confirmation, but I appreciate cementing it for everybody. Speaking of golf, let's talk about that a little bit. Ryder cup went down and, man, it is again. We talked about it a little last week about how we need to do more of the. The tournaments that matter thing. You know, the. The. And I know they have the. The live tour. It's not.

[Dale Hellstray]

Don't get me started on it again.

[John Holmberg]

Again. But my point being, I don't care about the. The three team commanders versus the Vipers. It doesn't have. It's the same as women's soccer. Yes, it is. It is in this regard.

[Dale Hellstray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

That if you Put an American flag in it. People pay attention. You make it country based. People pay attention.

[Dale Hellstray]

When.

[John Holmberg]

When women's soccer started to be like the Salt Lake City girls soccer and the. Nobody watched it. And. And same a little bit sometimes with hockey, once they do that international tournament, boom. I didn't think baseball's World Baseball Classic was going to be as big a deal as it is. That is, you are involved the second you put a flag in it. We watch curling, for God's sakes. Like we care. So I love when they do this. And you gotta remember Europe's got a billion people. US350. And so it's. The pool is much bigger for Europe. So in a weird way, we're the favorite or we're the big boy. We're kind of in a really small position. We've just got more golfers. That Ryder cup was a complete catastrophe for the Americans. Then it wasn't. Then it got really exciting. Did they ever really have a chance? I don't know. But because they're waving that flag, it got. It was deeper than just that. I love that so much. Rather than being an individual sport, they were representing their country.

[Dale Hellstray]

I agree with everything you said, but. And I think before I told you I wanted to bring up the fact about the Ryder Cup. I don't know what it ended up. I forgot it was like 15, 13 or something like that.

[Dave Nash]

Close.

[Dale Hellstray]

It was very close. But what no one really kind of talked about or brought up was the fact that the day of the singles, Victor Hovland came up with a bum. Sore neck or something.

[John Holmberg]

Just so I know Friday's the singles day.

[Dale Hellstray]

Sunday.

[John Holmberg]

Sunday. Oh, Sunday. That's right. Backwards. Okay.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

The other one's four.

[Dale Hellstray]

So he comes up and. And we're. America's already getting murdered. Yeah. But they made a great comeback. But what quelch the comeback a little bit was the fact that if you come up with an injury, it. The match becomes a tie and each team gets a half a point. Now, I'm not saying he was. He was, I guess, supposed to play Harris English. And I'm not saying English would have beat Hovland. Yeah, but he didn't get the chance. And Hovland got a half a point.

[John Holmberg]

Each team got a half a point.

[Dale Hellstray]

Each point each team gets. Each team got a half point. Because of that. Now I understand where the Ryder cup was started. It was to build, you know, rapport and camaraderie and friendship and sportsmanship and blah, blah, blah. I'm not sure that's where we're at with the Ryder cup anymore.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, boy.

[John Holmberg]

It didn't feel like that at all.

[Dale Hellstray]

I mean, I mean, war at the shore at Kiewa, whatever may be, it's. It's, you know, it's calmed down a little bit. But each, Each team wants to win badly. Each once.

[Dave Nash]

Once the Europeans started competing and then started beating. Yeah, the US has turned up about 5 knots.

[John Holmberg]

It was at 98, 97. Whenever that one when it was just the first time. I remember watching the Ryder cup, seeing guys fist pump, high five scream, the crowds. And I remember, oddly enough, it always goes back to this with me. The Steelers were playing the Dolphins that day, and it was 20 to nothing. The Dolphins were just handling the Steelers. I'm like, I can't watch this. I'm so frustrated by this team. And I started to watch that and I'm like, this. I've heard good things about.

[Dale Hellstray]

If you turned on the Steelers, there's a big day.

[John Holmberg]

It was a big day. But the whole bar I was at turned their attention. This was 90s. There weren't flat screen TVs. These are 27 inch, you know, wall TVs. They weren't exactly clear. And then you got the one big screen that was the size of a Ford. And it had that weird.

[Dale Hellstray]

Everybody 99. When they came back at Brookline in.

[John Holmberg]

Massachusetts, because it was crazy.

[Dale Hellstray]

That was. I mean, everyone's charging.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

Everyone's running around.

[John Holmberg]

Must have been 99.

[Dale Hellstray]

That seems about 99.

[John Holmberg]

It was bananas. And that's the first time I'm like, what is this?

[Dale Hellstray]

So the Ryder cup has become really a heavily competed event. And I think that rule is antiquated now that if you come up with an injury, you get a half a point.

[John Holmberg]

Whoever bails loses.

[Dale Hellstray]

Well, okay, that's a good idea. Maybe that should be the new rule.

[John Holmberg]

Isn't that forfeit goes. The other guy gets it.

[Dale Hellstray]

Okay. That whatever. Whatever rule they. It should be.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't think it should be. Hey, you come up with a. Hey, you got a hangover?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

You're begging out. It's a half a.

[Dave Nash]

Because if you look at it in a literal sense of the amount of Europeans who have all went out, partied their tails off on Saturday night, showed up and said, I can't play today.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And if they each got half a point, they'd have won.

[John Holmberg]

They don't want it anyway.

[Dale Hellstray]

We didn't even have to play.

[John Holmberg]

Is there anything contractually because Europeans got paid.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

To say, I thought the Europeans got a few they got like 50 grand. It wasn't much. Was like 50 grand each. And the Americans, they all passed on it. Oh, did they? Okay.

[Dale Hellstray]

On the money. And the. The coach, Luke Donald. Yeah, the captain, Luke Donald, he mentioned that in the go, leading into it, pissing off the. The Americans saying, hey, you're pointing out that we're really. Money. More motivated. Yeah, basically saying that.

[Dave Nash]

But supposedly the Americans, all their money went to charity. Right. Their choice and all, I suppose. But that does not take away from the fact it is turned into a spectacle.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, it's a spectacle. And the gentleman's side of it's gone. If this thing started to be like, camaraderie, handshakes, tip of the cap, nice rounds. It did not happen because you saw it with DeChambeau and man, when they were.

[Dave Nash]

Justin Rose.

[John Holmberg]

When Justin Rose started to go at it and the caddy started to go. Because a caddy walked on somebody's line.

[Dale Hellstray]

And that was last two years ago. Same thing with.

[John Holmberg]

Same thing. And Justin Rose was the one who at the end said, well, I just sort of. I told him maybe he shouldn't be walking my line. Maybe I wasn't that pleasant about it. And then they go back and they show it. He's like, hey, MF this, you get off my. You know, they was. They were not friendly. It was between the lines. In any sport, the friendship kind of goes away. And then afterwards, everybody shakes hands.

[Dale Hellstray]

And that's true. And. But. But I think that's a terribly antiquated rule that if you just want to beg out, you get a half point.

[John Holmberg]

Because you could cook the books well.

[Dave Nash]

But I think. I think that what they're counting on is the competitive factor. The. You're gonna show up, you're gonna play your best, even if you get your butt whooped. But you're right. There needs to be. It's like. It's like the McDonald's thing with the. Now they have to put things. The coffee is hot because somebody. You know, of course coffee's hot. Well, now somebody burned themselves. So now we have to put a sign on. Well, they did need to do it.

[John Holmberg]

To the apple pie. The apple pies were torturously hot. That was. That was an absurd amount of heat coming off those lava pies serving people. So I understand a legal disclaimer for that because touching the box burned your fingertips off. You could commit a crime after you ate a McDonald's apple pie. No one would ever know because your fingertips went away for two days.

[Dale Hellstray]

But that was done very quietly. I'M watching the event Sunday and they.

[Dave Nash]

Probably said it, but I just, they mentioned it briefly.

[Dale Hellstray]

Right. And when I turned it on, because I turned it on late and I'm looking at the score and I'm going to. How did they get to this score? And they each got a half a point before anyone was even playing.

[John Holmberg]

The American guy should have to just go play around on his own and earn a point. Right. He just, all he has to do is win every hole.

[Dale Hellstray]

I really think, you know, I'll try to take the opposite view of. If you. No, I'm not even gonna take the opposite view. I'm gonna say this. It now, it should be the rule that if you beg out, you lose your point.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's sensible.

[Dale Hellstray]

Now what they're going to say, golfers, all these people running this stuff is we don't want to put that golfer at risk of injuring himself more.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dale Hellstray]

And then I'm going to say be very careful who you put on the team so that they're not injury prone.

[John Holmberg]

You could have an injury happen, you make a false step, roll your ankle, whatever. But if you don't show up for your game, you lose.

[Dave Nash]

Well, and the thing is, that is.

[Dale Hellstray]

The way I feel it should be because again, hands down. Thank you. Change the rule.

[Dave Nash]

Because the thing is, the way it went on Sunday. Yeah. Was that all of a sudden it was us, us, us, us. And, and when Lowery made that putt to get a half a point to clinch it, the other matches were still us.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And so they didn't have that half point. Would have to wait. You never know.

[John Holmberg]

So here's the weird thing too, and it's. This is news to me. So I'm just reacting as somebody who's kind of hearing it. I knew that that happened, but I just thought it was an agreed upon thing. I didn't know that was the rule.

[Dale Hellstray]

That is the current rule.

[John Holmberg]

So what's weird about that to me is NBC did that, pga, NBC, everybody involved in that. The intrigue of that would have been much more amazing had America gotten one point. Because as you're coming into that, my God, they've got, they've got 35 minutes blocked out for broadcast.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And they, and they, they lost out on that because it ended so fast. Boy, could you imagine the injury going, wow, that really looms large now that full point they lost. Cause that guy can't go.

[Dale Hellstray]

Well, they didn't lose point. They each. That's kind of half they would have.

[John Holmberg]

Had they done it that way, right.

[Dale Hellstray]

And if you take away that half a point, because it ended up 15, 13.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

Take away the half point and that batch still played. It's 14 and a half.

[John Holmberg]

13 and a half with one to go.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, there's. There's.

[John Holmberg]

But didn't 14 and a half win it?

[Dave Nash]

They needed 14 and a half to win it. Oh, okay.

[John Holmberg]

And 14 to tie.

[Dale Hellstray]

There is no.

[Dave Nash]

I'm sorry.

[John Holmberg]

USA needed 14 for the. For Europe to hold it.

[Dale Hellstray]

There is something to say about. You have all these halves.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

It would have been a saving face for the Americans to tie the match.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

They wouldn't have got the cutback. But if you go 14 and 14, you tie, you didn't lose the match. There's something about that. That was. That opportunity was lost.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know if we know this. What happens in the rules say the American is leading, you know, two up on 14 and he injures himself.

[Dale Hellstray]

Don't know that rule.

[John Holmberg]

Would they go half, half there?

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, that's what. I don't know. I don't question. You got to look at. Because. Yeah. As serious as this has got. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You can cook the books on that, too.

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't.

[John Holmberg]

Strategy.

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't think they could do that. Because you're right.

[John Holmberg]

You could be.

[Dale Hellstray]

What would stop a guy from being six up?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

And then he's losing all these holes.

[John Holmberg]

He's losing.

[Dale Hellstray]

He goes, hey, I don't feel good. Like Rodney Dainesfield. Hey, broke my arm.

[John Holmberg]

What was it to Shambo on Saturday?

[Dave Nash]

He won.

[Dale Hellstray]

He birdie. The last four.

[John Holmberg]

Last four. And he was down four. Go down maybe five.

[Dale Hellstray]

I think at one point he won the last.

[John Holmberg]

And he got the half point because he came back. What's the motivation for that European guy on 17 to go. Yeah, my arm.

[Dave Nash]

Hey, my arm. I can't go.

[Dale Hellstray]

Hey, bring in Danny Noonan.

[Dave Nash]

We need Noonan.

[John Holmberg]

I can't do it. Yeah, I don't know. I. That's a. That's really. Because, you know, and you say, well, they're golfers, like Dale just said, oh, they've got the competitive spirit. We're hoping we lean on that. Well, if we've learned anything from the NBA, load management and things like that, it's like, yeah, you got a tweaked ankle there. Let's not push that. We get a half a point anyway. And then going into Sunday, we're up seven boys. Two of you don't feel good today. And we're going to guarantee a point because I'm not real. I'm not feeling great about going into this the way these matchups are. And that's. Do they just draw the final day out of a hat?

[Dale Hellstray]

No, I think. I think each. Each captain puts his lineup out blind, and then the other one's blind, and then it's like a batting matchup, but. Right.

[Dick Toledo]

Oh, wow.

[Dale Hellstray]

It's a bad. But there. There's really no rules against Keegan Bradley calling, Luke Donald saying, hey, you know, everyone wants to see Scheffler and McElroy play. Where are you going to put you. You want to see that?

[John Holmberg]

There's no rule against NBC calling, going, Scheffler and McElroy are playing against or.

[Dale Hellstray]

Pushing, putting pressure on the captains that way.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

And honestly, I got nothing wrong. Right.

[John Holmberg]

Entertainment.

[Dale Hellstray]

Exactly.

[John Holmberg]

Entertainment. Sport. You don't want to sit and go, well, you know, the draws are what, the cat. No, you want to see Scheffler macro. You want to see. You want to see the bigs going against each other. What's the guy's name? I can't remember his name. Fleetwood. Jesus, what a weekend that guy had. And then on the Sunday, you're like, oh, my God, he's drunk. Like, this guy was staggering to.

[Dale Hellstray]

I still don't understand. Well, everyone talks about how popular he is and how much he's cheered. Yeah, I mean, I don't have anything against him.

[John Holmberg]

But you're about to.

[Dale Hellstray]

No, I'm just trying to figure out what's the. What's the attraction to this guy? Can you tell me?

[Dave Nash]

Super nice guy. Friendly.

[Dale Hellstray]

What golfer isn't a super nice guy?

[John Holmberg]

I'll tell you this, the Friday and Saturday won me over. That dude's about as competitive as they get. And he had Justin Rose knocking all those birdies down. If it wasn't for Justin Rose, kind of. This dude was having an equally good day. He was putting that ball next to the pin every stroke.

[Dave Nash]

Here's the thing that's so fascinating about that, is that it seems like every Ryder cup since I've been watching 20, a little over 20 years. Somebody on Europe who's not ranked in the top 20. Yeah. Who's kind of on the fringe. Joseph Rose is, what, 47 years old?

[Dale Hellstray]

He's not 42, I think he's not.

[Dave Nash]

He's not. He's older than that.

[John Holmberg]

I think he's older than that.

[Dave Nash]

I bet you. I think he's 46. But every year, seems Europe has a guy like that that is a fringe golfer that all of a sudden, for three days, just in the Ryder Cup, Just lights it up.

[John Holmberg]

Which is great for the guys, you know, just awesome. When you see a guy's like, who is this in and amongst these marquee names? Who's actually holding the team together. Yeah, you love that stuff.

[Dave Nash]

One more points. Justin Rose or Rory McElroy.

[John Holmberg]

It's what. What you fantasize about as a kid. That you're that guy, you know? You know, Cinderella boy coming out of nowhere, that kind of thing. How old?

[Dale Hellstray]

45.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, all right. There was more. Right. Than you were.

[Dale Hellstray]

But no, I take that back. He's 46.

[John Holmberg]

Bad math for. All right, 100. Right. And Nash owes him a hundred dollars. That's how that works.

[Dale Hellstray]

Geez, I. I don't remember taking that bet.

[John Holmberg]

But it wasn't a bet. We had a rule in the beginning of the show. Anybody. Who was that? The writer. 100.

[Dave Nash]

That's the Ryder Cup. Got it. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You gotta split your half with Dale and ice. That's 100 each. That's how that works. Yeah. Ryder Cup's a blast. And. And I do. I look at it like tournament play is so much fun. And then you go back to regular PGA play and it loses an awful lot of like, support from the average guy watching. You know, you have to be a super golf.

[Dale Hellstray]

That's why they don't have many events after it. They're all off season events. You can't get. You can't ramp that back up as you should because it's not going to happen anyways.

[Dave Nash]

Guess what?

[Dale Hellstray]

There's a thing called the NFL that's going on right now.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, no, no, that's. You want to stay away from that. WNBA won't learn that because they put their finals games on against the NFL on Sundays at.

[Dale Hellstray]

I still don't think anyone watching the WNBA cares about the NFL.

[John Holmberg]

Doesn't matter. You get new eyes on it. I have a theory that they use it as an excuse as to why no one's watching because they keep putting it up against something bigger.

[Dave Nash]

You know, they did. This series has set records for viewership.

[John Holmberg]

It set a record. Game 1 of the Finals was the highest rated they've been since 1997 and their first ever WNBA championship and they got 1.8 million viewers. I have a radio show in Phoenix. Almost ties it. We don't even have too many people in the city to listen. And we're almost there. Like I could catch them if I put my money.

[Dale Hellstray]

Well, hey, I've heard people talk about you saying that you got them the ratings because you're Hating is me. Stupid radio show.

[John Holmberg]

You're the person that tells you that is me. I'm the only one talking about this W. I'm the only one makes it interesting. I have made people who don't care about the WNB care about the outcome because I said I get a Mercury tattoo on the top of my head if they want it. That was before the series started. Now that they're down.03. I said I'd get breast implants.

[Dale Hellstray]

I heard that. What's wrong with you? What is wrong?

[John Holmberg]

I have nothing. I don't know if you heard me a week ago.

[Dale Hellstray]

It's women's mask. You don't know what they're going to do.

[John Holmberg]

$500,000 on the line last week because I knew for a fact no one could answer my question. Who's the head coach of the Phoenix Mercury?

[Dale Hellstray]

Were you here when he did that?

[Dave Nash]

I was not.

[Dale Hellstray]

I heard that. And I'm thinking, you're out of your mind.

[Dave Nash]

No, I'm not.

[Dale Hellstray]

You might have randomly called players moms.

[John Holmberg]

If that happened, it would be worth it for the ratings boost we'd have gotten. A guy put 500 grand of his own money on the radio and said, I'm gonna randomly call someone and if they answer my question, and it's not a hard one. And of course they didn't know the answer. The safer bet was who answers their phone when an unknown caller comes in. When the lady answered, I lost my mind. I'm like, what? You answered?

[Dave Nash]

So he also did this when the Diamondbacks were making a march toward the World Series. Hold on.

[John Holmberg]

That was different because in May, gallon hit a bird and killed it in warmups. And I said, last time Diamondbacks did that, they went to the World Series with.

[Dale Hellstray]

With Randy Johnson.

[John Holmberg]

And I said out loud on the air in May, if that happens again, there's some sorcery or wizardry going on that the animals sacrifice for world championships around here. And I'd be a fool not to jump on that bandwagon. I said. So I said, if the Diamondbacks go to the World Series, I will renounce my Cub fandom, sell all of my memorabilia. And there's no possible way that I, you know, that I would ever be a Cub fan again. That's crazy talk when I've got this going on. The jerks did it. So I ended up. The news came to my house because I even forgot I said it. And I had my Ernie Banks, my autographed Ernie Banks post or pictures and all this stuff. And I did. I Gave it to charity, and they raised money with it and everything else. And then I said when they needed to win two games in Philadelphia, if they win and if they win the World Series, because I thought it was the safest thing in the world. They weren't even going to go. So. So confident. I didn't have to give up my cub stuff because they're going to lose to Philly in Philly. They're down.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Not happen. Brandon fought his pitching one.

[Dale Hellstray]

You're done.

[John Holmberg]

They did it again.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So I said I would get a picture tattoo of Brady naked on my chest if they won the World Series. So, you know, one guy watching that World Series, and I don't care how much you had riding on that, that was more interested in the Rangers and Diamondback Series than anybody was me. So I. I create drama.

[Dale Hellstray]

Dave Nash, I think I said at the beginning of the show, you were mental. What was my. What was my.

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellstray]

Are you looking to get the Halftime show in the NFL. Bad bunny.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I could. Yeah, that's bad.

[Dale Hellstray]

Humberg.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we could do that. We're going to talk about that, too, before this is all over. But, yeah, the Ryder cup, that's interesting. And I don't know who to petition with that, but that definitely needs to be changed because somebody will manipulate it, and that'll make the rule change. Somebody will go, oh, God, this is close. You're not feeling well. Let's get that half point.

[Dale Hellstray]

This doesn't make any sense. And. And then. And then, if you're worried about someone coming up lame, be careful how you pick your team.

[John Holmberg]

That's very true. Always be careful.

[Dale Hellstray]

Be careful.

[John Holmberg]

Or.

[Dale Hellstray]

I tell you what. It would be a case where if you're looking back, if I'm a. If I'm a captain picking a team and I'm playing, I'm picking in the 80s. I want Freddie Couples on my team, but with his back. Yeah, I don't know if I want Freddie Couples on my team.

[John Holmberg]

I'll tell you what. I go the other way. I want a few guys who are maybe scratchable. So when we do scratch them for strategic reasons, everybody goes, well, he does have a bad back.

[Dave Nash]

So it's the same rules in effect.

[John Holmberg]

Same rules. Yes.

[Dale Hellstray]

New rule. Yeah, that.

[John Holmberg]

You.

[Dave Nash]

You.

[John Holmberg]

You're out, you're out, you're out, you're out, you're out. You got to have a healthy team. But I'm saying, if you're getting a half a point, a few dudes who have a history of injuries, and maybe it would be easier to lean on that guy. His knee, you know, about his. Like, I'd put Tiger back on the team at that point, you know, so that's.

[Dale Hellstray]

I'm sure he's going to. Can he. Can he beg out? Because he's. He got caught with a hook, you know, Never. Hookers couldn't get out of the hookers department.

[John Holmberg]

Perkins.

[Dave Nash]

Waitresses.

[John Holmberg]

Hookers are classier.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

Wow.

[John Holmberg]

Hookers are committed to their craft. Let's just go that way. Let's talk a little football. A weird week, and we'll probably talk some sport, but most of it is kind of soap opera stuff. We'll start with Jerry Jones. Dale's old boss Jerry Jones. What did I say?

[Dale Hellstray]

I thought you said Jared.

[John Holmberg]

No, I said Jerry. You went to Jared.

[Dave Nash]

You know what?

[Dale Hellstray]

I try not to listen to either one of you clowns. So keep going.

[John Holmberg]

You won't be able to stop listening to me.

[Dave Nash]

You're gonna ask Dave this question, and I could actually see Dave doing that.

[John Holmberg]

Oh.

[Dave Nash]

Cause I mean, to give somebody a thumbs up and accidentally flip them off.

[John Holmberg]

He didn't accidentally do anything.

[Dale Hellstray]

How about, I really like it, Dale, but I'm giving you the finger?

[John Holmberg]

How about Jerry trying to lie to us afterwards, saying, I was just trying to say, thumbs up, And I got a little confused. Like, just say I flipped that prick off. Like, why not just go down the road?

[Dave Nash]

You know, you have to pay anyway.

[John Holmberg]

Right. And you're Jerry Jones. 100 grand.

[Dave Nash]

So what was it, 100 or it was 250.

[John Holmberg]

It was 250. 250. Holy smokes.

[Dale Hellstray]

That's a little. That's a.

[John Holmberg]

Did you go to the guy who he hurt? You know, New Yorkers are really fragile when it comes to the middle finger. That's the best part, is that the pearl clutching over the middle finger in New York City is like, come on. That's how you. That's how you tell your kid at the pickup line at school that, hey, your dad's over here. Do you not. So Jerry flipped somebody off who was probably given Jerry guff all day. And that guy will never get fined by his employer.

[Dave Nash]

No. And don't ever think that those cups that Jerry has up in his owner's suite when they. When they. When they show him.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

It's not water.

[Dave Nash]

No, it's not. It's not ice water. No.

[John Holmberg]

And I watched the documentary.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Jerry was drinking during that. Jerry likes to play, and he's earned it. Here's the thing. And maybe he'll disagree. Maybe one. I know no one got hurt. I know nothing. You got to be better than that.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You got to be better than that.

[Dave Nash]

Why will you represent the NFL? You're one of the 32 owners.

[John Holmberg]

You got to be smarter than that. Not even that so much as, you know what the press is going to do to you.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And I know Jerry doesn't care. They're talking cowboy football. Oh. All that matters to me. Dale.

[Dale Hellstray]

Talk cowboy football.

[Dave Nash]

Bad or good? Good.

[John Holmberg]

Better. That's how I flip everybody I get on the news. So I look at that, and I'm kind of like, ah, Jerry needs to be. And Steven's standing right next to him. And this will tie together with the thing we'll talk about next. Stephen didn't stop daddy.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Stephen didn't put his hand and go knock it off. Which probably would have been a big statement that Steven's ready to take the reins. Let me.

[Dale Hellstray]

Let me. Let me try to throw a twist on this. Yeah. So if you're a team and you want to support your owner, would it. Would they get fined if they start flipping off each other in celebration?

[John Holmberg]

You mean you made it a positive.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

The way that, like, Europe has made the C word, like a compliment.

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't know about that is true.

[John Holmberg]

Talk to a guy from Scotland.

[Dale Hellstray]

But, you know, if you're.

[Dave Nash]

If.

[Dale Hellstray]

Let's say it's not Jerry, let's say it's another player on the team.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And.

[Dave Nash]

And.

[Dale Hellstray]

And the player flips off a fan and he gets fined. If I'm a player, I'm going to surround. I'm going to. I'm going to support my player and say, hey, we're going to flip each other off when we. When we score to make fun of the fine one of my teammates got. Would they get fine by flipping each other off?

[Dave Nash]

What I'm wondering, David, you think.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

If you make it personal and you own a business and all of a sudden your employees were flipping people off that came in, and all of a sudden you start losing customers.

[Dale Hellstray]

I'm not saying they would flip off anyone else. They would be doing it to each other. Hey, nice pass.

[John Holmberg]

And you give them the finger as a nice. It's like a high five. Correct job. Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

Instead of the high five, it's a finger channel.

[John Holmberg]

A lot of, like, indoctrinating to do.

[Dave Nash]

To get way, way, way. You have to.

[John Holmberg]

You have to go for so long to get people to accept that that's no longer.

[Dale Hellstray]

I'm just saying you do that for a short time. Because. Because I don't think the team cares about Jerry Jones. I really don't. But let's say who's. Who's a beloved teammate?

[Dave Nash]

Dak Prescott.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah. Let's say Dak flips someone off accident or, you know, he lost his mind, and they find Dak. A hundred thousand dollars.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

You don't think the team would rally around him saying, we're gonna flip each other off when we score?

[John Holmberg]

No, because the league would say, we can't have that on TV. And then you'd be getting. Everybody's getting hit for 100 grand.

[Dale Hellstray]

How, again, what's the rule if you're. When you generally flip someone off, you're in anger. If you're doing it as a. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

A fleeting finger. Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

It's like, hey, that's. That's the way we celebrate when we.

[John Holmberg]

Score back in, like, 2004.

[Dale Hellstray]

Is.

[John Holmberg]

Is.

[Dale Hellstray]

Is it against the law to give someone the finger?

[John Holmberg]

Not at all.

[Dave Nash]

But it's against the doctrine of the NFL and the shield.

[John Holmberg]

Protect the shield.

[Dale Hellstray]

So this would be a case again, where I think the NFL is reactive, not proactive. If you have a rule.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah, no, I agree with that.

[Dale Hellstray]

That. That should be a rule up front. But if they don't have a rule, I don't know how you find someone. Well, if they don't have the rule up front. And this will get me to the Gannon thing.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we'll get to. How about this, though? Because conduct detrimental to the league or the team is very gray. And they do that on purpose for reasons just like this. Conduct detrimental can be a dui. Conduct detrimental can be, oh, I yelled at my wife in public. And people filmed it. Now it looks bad. God forbid you lay hands on somebody in public like that. We'll get to that later, too. But when you start doing that kind of stuff, you're like, ah, that's the gray area. The NFL PA sued the NFL years ago to say, James Harrison got a $75,000 fine for hitting a Cleveland Brown and hit another guy and got another 50,000. Meanwhile, somebody I think was for the Falcons, similarly violent hit, got like, a $5,000 fine. And James Harrison's agent's like, where's the structure? Where's the menu? And we're not gonna pay these fines anymore if you don't tell us what they are. Because the precedent's now set to say, oh, we didn't like that. And you make this much, that's what we ding you for. That's called wage theft.

[Dale Hellstray]

I agree.

[John Holmberg]

So there's. There's actually laws against that.

[Dave Nash]

There's also the repeat offender.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, sure. But the. But that wasn't a rule yet. These were not even flagged plays. And today's point, if you don't have a predetermined, like, menu of here's how we find. You can't just arbitrarily throw numbers at things and say we're right. And the NFLPA proved it right by the next bargaining thing. Said, you have to. If you're gonna fine us, we get it. But it's gotta be. These things have to happen to trigger the fine. And these are the fines. First time, 6,007 times 20, whatever they are. And then. And everybody in the NFLPA said, that's fair, but until you have that structure, you're right. Like, they just looked at Jerry Jones. So that's conduct detrimental. And I don't know what that means.

[Dale Hellstray]

That brings me back to the argument that. That you're on the other side of Me. And that was the flight gate there. Oh, yeah, there's a rule. But what's the penalty?

[John Holmberg]

Exactly?

[Dale Hellstray]

The penalty was arbitrary. It's like, we're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna. What was he spending a couple games, Whatever. Tom Brady. It's arbitrary.

[John Holmberg]

It's been arbitrary with all of that. And. And the. And the last two collective bargaining agreements tried to solve that. Ben Roethlisberger went through his thing in Pittsburgh with, you know, the accusations of this. The. And nothing came of it. And the NFL still suspended him, initially six games and then came back to four. And I don't know if it was two or four. In the end, it was like, I got suspended for an accusation. Where's the rule? You know, and I understand that you.

[Dave Nash]

Can'T do that, but the thing is, John, and you know this as well as I do, when you look at it, if you're gonna look at it, it's as black and white as you possibly can. Yeah. There's no way you can write down every possible thing that somebody could happen to do.

[John Holmberg]

Anything. That's why it needs to be gray.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. Because again, who.

[John Holmberg]

Who.

[Dave Nash]

Who in right mind would have said 25, 30 years ago, okay, if an owner flips a crowd off, yeah, it's X amount of money.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

It's never happened before.

[John Holmberg]

It probably happened all the time. We didn't care because there weren't cameras anymore.

[Dave Nash]

Yes, correct.

[Dale Hellstray]

But. But I will say this. If you make a rule, and the NFL's full of. Full of rules, if you make a rule, you should have a penalty associated with it. Even a range. Yeah, whatever, Give me a range.

[John Holmberg]

Or a strange tribunal that says, okay, here's our degrees of, you know, conduct detrimental. Where do you guys feel this falls? And you have a committee that's agreed upon that says, okay, it's a. It's a third degree. That's a $10,000 fine. You have to have a structure set up.

[Dale Hellstray]

You got to. It would be like if you're. You get caught speeding and you're. You get the fine in the mail and it's $10,000, you go, what? Yeah, I mean, it's. You gotta have a. You gotta have a basic idea.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

If you make a rule and you don't have a penalty for it, it's not a rule.

[John Holmberg]

But that's. The NFL has been kind of on the leading edge of that for years of saying we're gray for a reason. And as it happens, then we'll define the rule, but they're willing to take the first punches. I agree with you completely on Deflategate, even though I do think the Patriots were up to something. Probably after the fact, they didn't really have a rule on it. And I've never been on Tom Brady's side while playing. But when they're like, give us your phone. The only thing we're going to look for is Deflategate text. It's like, absolutely not. Because you'll see other stuff what they did to Jon Gruden. And I think Jon Gruden has been waiting in the weeds patiently. He just got clearance to get all of the emails. He is going to destroy the NFL. Now, the.

[Dave Nash]

I still think that that will be settled. Oh, it.

[John Holmberg]

Absolutely. Because you know what's funny about that? They went through all of his emails and said, we're doing this. And the second he said, hey, man, I want yours, they're like, no, you're getting an illegal. He had to clear that. It's been what, six years? Finally gets him. You're damn right that the NFL. What's this going to take?

[Dave Nash]

Very few people. You know, we're making $5 million a year for money, football and coaching and. And all that stuff that you could withstand it this long. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And. And I have a friend who is very good friends with John Cruden. And in the beginning of that, he said, I got a mountain of money. I'm not going to need money anymore.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So I'm getting this. And this is less about pay me more and more about admit what you did was wrong. Like, no, now we're getting the pride. Now it's like, okay, you can try to. You can hurt. Charles Barkley said that years ago. Find me. I'm rich. Like, you cannot find me enough to take my pride away. And that's when you start getting into that dangerous category where money doesn't affect a guy anymore.

[Dale Hellstray]

And Gruden's there or with Charles doing stupid stuff.

[John Holmberg]

Well, Charles did stupid stuff and it was pretty dumb at certain times, but he would. Basically complaining about the refs. He's like, I'm. I'm a. I'm a multi millionaire. Would you tell me, go ahead and find me? I'm gonna.

[Dave Nash]

When you're talking about this, do you think Jerry even had one beat of sweat on his forehead when he wrote a check for a quarter million dollars?

[John Holmberg]

And again, people are talking about the Cowboys and Jerry Jones and he loves being on tv.

[Dave Nash]

He said, this is better than getting advertising.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, that was free comparison. Him giving out a check for 250,000 to a blue collar guy. Just making it would.

[John Holmberg]

It would literally shock you how low that would be.

[Dave Nash]

250 bucks.

[John Holmberg]

Well, because less than that, I bet you it's 10, 12 bucks. We start getting into that when they started to talk about Tiger's 60 million a year, what a hundred dollars is to him versus us. Yeah, that was mind boggling. You get into the billions, a hundred thousand dollars starts looking like, yeah, $30, $40. Because it's like you got to realize how many to your average Joe.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

It's crazy.

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't want to get off the subs too much because I want this to go directly into what happened here.

[Dave Nash]

Exactly. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

No, I'm guiding it right into that. Because the fine system there is a little confusing. Dale and I have already, on my wildly successful morning show, hashed out quite a bit of this. He wants to paint me in a corner of saying that it was an egregious punch to the tummy that would hurt a man and drop him down. That is not what I said. But what I did say was, a coach has to be smarter than that, knowing the ramifications of laying your hands on a player no matter what. No matter what, and say, okay, I don't care if it hurts or to whatever. And it was a dead giveaway if you didn't pay attention. Those of you listening, Jonathan Gannon, coach of the Cardinals. And we found something out right before we were talking that Gannon made a point on Thursday and Friday and cut ups to show the clip of the guy for the Colts who dropped the football before he went into the end.

[Dave Nash]

Zone.

[John Holmberg]

One week earlier. One week earlier, made it a point to drill into the Cardinals. Hey, guys, don't do this now. The Steelers had that situation with their rookie Caleb Johnson earlier this year, not understanding the kickoff rule, not getting it. He had the perfect answer after because he let a ball go past him and it landed in the magic zone and then the wizard zone and then the Captain Crunch zone. Whatever they're doing with kickoffs. One of the end zone, Seahawks get it. Touchdown Seahawks. And he stood there like, did I just do that? Asked him after the game, did you understand that rule? He goes, doesn't matter if I did or not.

[Dave Nash]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

And that's a perfect answer. Gannon made it a point to these guys. If you drop that ball before the end zone, this is the biggest bonehead play of the season so far. Don't be this guy that gets asked questions after. Do not put yourself in this position. Can't imagine what they drilled into their head saying, this is the current clown of the NFL because of that stupid move. And the game after, two days later is played, and the guy does it. Now I understand the fury of Jonathan Gannon after all that work saying, my God, do they listen to me? This team is a bunch of idiots. Walking over to. What's the player's name?

[Dale Hellstray]

I forgot.

[Dave Nash]

D. Markardo.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Okay. So he walks over to the running back, and they've already got a problem with running back and just chews him out, lays his hand on him real quick, up, up high. And then throws a little body thing. Wasn't an egregiously dangerous punch. But you got to know as the coach, you cannot lay hands on a player with this camera situation that goes on. We've seen it since the 70s. All coaches who have done it have been blackmarked for it. You can't. No matter how little it is.

[Dave Nash]

Okay. You can't be leading the witness. I want to hear what Dave has. Go.

[John Holmberg]

David.

[Dale Hellstray]

Obviously, I'm on the side of Dale.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, go.

[Dale Hellstray]

And it's happened to me.

[John Holmberg]

I think it's okay to punch a player, no matter how soft it is.

[Dave Nash]

A punch.

[Dale Hellstray]

No, I think it's a punch.

[John Holmberg]

But to slap. To physically do anything to them.

[Dale Hellstray]

Am I for people hitting people?

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellstray]

No. Not. Not. But. But this is their profession.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dale Hellstray]

They hit each other for a living. The coaches don't listen. If a coach hits a player, player wants to smack him back. That's. That's okay.

[John Holmberg]

Can you imagine? And that's why the rule stands is so they don't have that problem. Nobody lay hands on each other this way because we'll have a melee.

[Dale Hellstray]

If you have a melee, your job might be at risk. Yeah, but what he did was. I have no problem if I was. If you were the player and you did this, I would expect to be bent over and rammed with a football right up my rear. So I didn't drop it before I.

[John Holmberg]

Went over the goal line. Of course. But there are way, and I agree completely, that you can say I will physically dominate anybody who dumbasses their way through this game. But you've got to know better as the coach, that the second you cross that line, no matter how minor it may be, you're playing with. I know Dale's on the other side you're playing with. Do you guys have headphones near you?

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

All right, I'll turn this off. Listen to what this is. This is James Harrison and James Harrison and. And Joe Hayden, Cleveland Brown, he played for Steelers, too, but Joe Hayden played have a podcast together. And this is what James had to say about that. Actual head coach dude is sitting. He's standing there, sorry. And his lineman has got his arm around him, trying to consult him. He comes up and bombs him in his chest. After he bombed him in his chest, he hooks him as he walks off from the. From the side.

[Dale Hellstray]

Now, listen, don't even talk about how he was head to head with him, like, all on his, like, zero personal space.

[John Holmberg]

Yes. To hell with the personal space. You could get in my face.

[Dave Nash]

You could do all that.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. You can't put your mother hands on me, bitch. There you go. That's what I'm saying. This is from former players, and I'm not saying that he's right for his reaction, but that's the risk you run when you cross that line.

[Dale Hellstray]

I get that.

[Dave Nash]

I never said there wasn't a risk.

[John Holmberg]

But later, Joe Hayden said you would never have to worry about that. James Harrison, nobody's going to do that to you. So the coach is conscious of who it's okay to do that to. You're not doing it to cla Campbell. You're not doing it to dudes who might kill you. And the dude that he did it.

[Dave Nash]

Probably could have no doubt about that. But the reason why he's not doing that to Calais Campbell, because Calais Campbell ain't doing that. He's not going to do that.

[John Holmberg]

Is very true.

[Dave Nash]

And I want to bring this up because you led the witness. You were tampering. If you were a lawyer, you'd be held in contempt.

[John Holmberg]

Never the better lawyer would have objected.

[Dave Nash]

But you also had two offensive linemen standing there. You had Will Hernandez, who, if there's a. If there's a contest for meanest guy on the car, no Hernandez. If not, the top guy is gonna be the second guy. And then you had your left tackle both standing right there. And neither one of them. Neither one of them looked at Gannon when he walked away. Neither one of them reacted.

[John Holmberg]

But then.

[Dale Hellstray]

I actually have a problem with. With the. With the tackle. Hernandez, well, number 70, he had his hand.

[Dave Nash]

Arm around him.

[John Holmberg]

Listen, the left tackle consoling the guy.

[Dale Hellstray]

There's. There's. There's no way you can console them that there's no excuse for this. If I'm a teammate, listen, I might not go up like Gannon and smack him in the head, but I'm. I'm excommunicating him for the rest of the game.

[John Holmberg]

He.

[Dale Hellstray]

There if there are no consequences to these egregious actions, these egregious actions will continue to go on.

[Dave Nash]

Agreed.

[John Holmberg]

Now let's get in real quick. Go ahead.

[Dave Nash]

How do you think Peyton Manning would react if that was a Colt running back?

[John Holmberg]

Just like what James Harrison said. You get in my face and you scream at me all day. That's screaming, don't put your hands on me.

[Dave Nash]

Okay. And again, James Harrison is a unique individual. Okay. But again, when you start talking about James Harrison is not going to do that, so you don't have to worry about doing that.

[John Holmberg]

Joe Hayden, later in that talk said he wouldn't have had a chance to hit me a second time. I'd have taken him out the second he touched my face.

[Dave Nash]

It's the same thing. Like the Ohio State stuff. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Let me ask you this, though, but here's. Here's where I did not make this point earlier and it just dawned on me now, the fragility of the NFL players mind, because you're asking them to be animalistic and go, go, go between those lines and then also have composure. Got to the point where we have taunting penalties to keep the people from getting to that point because they know it isn't about the physicality. It's about the disrespect and demeaning nature of spitting on someone, taunting someone, or laying your hands on them in an aggressive manner. Not that he hurt him. Not that I'm against the idea of it, but because it's a rule and especially a coach, you just don't do it, it is not going to end well for you. Did it hurt the guy?

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Does it possibly screw up this team? Clearly you watched a team melt down immediately after that. A lot of it is the guy making the mistake. The second bit of it is dad's really mad and I don't like how he handled it. Probably about 14 or 15 guys are like, that was a bunch of crap there. There was not uniform across the team.

[Dale Hellstray]

Anyone that said it was a bad thing for the coach to come up to him. I don't want them on my team.

[John Holmberg]

Not to come up to him.

[Dave Nash]

I don't care.

[John Holmberg]

Take it to the next level.

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't care if he took a five iron and start hacking at him like he's in the rough. Well, that's doesn't even matter.

[John Holmberg]

You would be okay if a coach came up and murdered a player?

[Dale Hellstray]

No, no.

[Dave Nash]

Murder. That's right.

[John Holmberg]

Hacking with a five iron.

[Dale Hellstray]

He's gonna live.

[Dave Nash]

I'm gonna push back on what you just said, I think only two or three people saw that.

[John Holmberg]

That's true.

[Dave Nash]

And the two that were standing, obviously it was on the tv, but the two people standing there and dimarcado. Or really, I think the only three that knew it on the sideline.

[John Holmberg]

And I think taking advantage of D. Markado in his worst possible moment, that's just bad coaching, if you ask me. You go over and drill him, you get in his.

[Dave Nash]

You get on him. I would. I would soften my stance a little bit. I would say in this day and.

[John Holmberg]

Age, you can't do it. That's everybody that's argued with me about this is like, remember what it used to be? Yeah. It's not anymore.

[Dave Nash]

No. No, it's not. In this day and age, and These.

[John Holmberg]

Guys are 23 years old and grew up in the Malaysia. They are young. And it is a different mindset. These older coaches don't work anymore because they're all I yells all the time. I need a guy who's analytic. I want somebody who coddles me when I'm down. They don't want to be yelled at. It doesn't work. And coaches who do it are seeing that. I think it does work. Yeah. But I think it's frowned upon by. By a lot of people.

[Dale Hellstray]

And is that a good thing or not?

[John Holmberg]

But a lot of times you'll lose the team with it. That Tom Coughlin couldn't coach today, and he's a great coach.

[Dale Hellstray]

They said that when he was playing, when he was coaching, and it worked okay.

[John Holmberg]

Towards the end, when he was coaching in Jacksonville and at first in New York, Michael Strahan went to him and said, dude, you're losing the team. You're too rough on us. Mike Tomlin used to run practices 2 a days. Heinz word had to go to him, go, we're wearing out, man. You're breaking us.

[Dale Hellstray]

A lot of that has to be a moment. Is it fair? Is he being fair?

[John Holmberg]

True.

[Dale Hellstray]

We had this conversation on the show last week. Dale said. And you agreed. Hey, if your kid gets out of line, oh, I agree. Is it okay to spank him?

[John Holmberg]

That's your child. It's not. Not an employee, employer relationship.

[Dale Hellstray]

A team is a little different than employer employee.

[John Holmberg]

Let the team handle it. Their coaches can't do it.

[Dave Nash]

Because when you said that, the thing that I think might have even set Gannon off more, the team didn't do anything is watching the left tackle with his arm around the running back. Everybody after all that, instead of the left tackle being in his face, Anybody saying or Hernandez saying, We just saw that video on Friday.

[John Holmberg]

What are you doing? And that what the Steelers did with Caleb Johnson is he didn't play play A down for two weeks because you're not going on the field if we don't trust you.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

You have practiced that dynamic kickoff a thousand times this week. How, how did you brain fart that during a game? You're done.

[Dave Nash]

But even in that, even in that situation, I could go, here's a guy who played four years of college football. College football. Crosses the goal line, plays dead. Yeah. You start jogging to the sideline. I can at least find a little bit.

[John Holmberg]

There's some grace there.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Additional Announcer]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

But what happened on Sunday. Inexcusable.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I, I, I don't think two things can be true at once. The guy screwed up super bad. I, I'm more upset if I'm a Cardinal fan, that I don't have a leader on that offense, that Ricyr Murray goes running over and grabs him and pushes the coach away.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And gets the fine for laying his hands.

[Dale Hellstray]

Those are all concerns.

[John Holmberg]

I'm handling this.

[Dale Hellstray]

That's all concerns.

[John Holmberg]

Not only had that play dropped them, the thing we saw with Gannon chewing them out deflated them. It did not motivate a single player to go out and go, we're not losing this game because of that. They got worse as the game went on because suddenly they were like, I think Dale's 100% right. That cardinal team is soft. Yeah. And something's wrong with them. And that starts at the top. That starts at the top. This Gannon is frustrated with this team. And that came out in that incident. You.

[Dale Hellstray]

Your personality. It's hard to change your personality. And it's one of the things that I don't know if they take into account so much in regards to drafting, because you have certain guys that are leaders and you have certain guys that really, they're just there for paycheck.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

But see, I thought again, and I've compared ASU coaching staff to the Arizona Cardinals coaching staff. Yeah. I thought that they were well along the way of getting the right kind of guys in both programs that love to play football.

[Additional Announcer]

Football.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

But again, you brought up Kyler Murray. Okay, well, it's offense and it's the running back. If Troy, if Emmett. Again, Emmett Smith's not gonna do that, but pick somebody. And that happened. Troy's not going to sit down on the end of the bench.

[John Holmberg]

I'll even tell you, if Emmett Smith did it, his resume speaks for itself. It's like, guys, this isn't happening again. Jerome Bettis doesn't fumble on the one, but he did in a playoff game. But again, nobody said you can't. Bumbling is, but it's still preached.

[Dave Nash]

And you don't.

[John Holmberg]

You hang on to that ball. You have a resume. You're allowed to make us. I mean, that's a bonehead move, but you can have one. This dude doesn't have a resume. He doesn't have a watch me do my dance. He doesn't.

[Dave Nash]

If this hadn't happened in 10 years and everybody's forgotten about it, but it.

[John Holmberg]

Happened the week before and to Gannon's credit, if that's true, and he did a quick cut up for the crew on Friday and said, by the way, this happens, somebody's going to get punched in the stomach. If he warned a pre. Like, if. I swear to you, if this happens. No. Where's James Conner? James Conner's injured, but he's on the sideline as the leader of that running back room. You damn right. If Emmett's hurt and not playing and whoever his backup was that was in there starts doing stuff like, are you kidding me?

[Dave Nash]

Emmett's in his face when Michael Irvin retired. And I've, I've talked about the Joey Galloway, Rocket Ismail guys coming out in two minute drills and you can literally see Michael screaming at them. Yeah, this is why you get paid.

[John Holmberg]

That famous moment of Troy Aikman on the sideline shouting that I'm the only one who cares. I'm tired of being the bad guy. And I've got this over here. Nobody sees it.

[Dale Hellstray]

Right there.

[John Holmberg]

A coach that doesn't care. Coach is right there. That's a guy, that's a leader. Yes. And anyone do that. But you know what the difference is? If he went over and grabbed Barry Switzer by the lapels and started to shake him, people are like, oh, Troy's lost his mind. He can't do that. All of it goes away. All of it goes away.

[Dale Hellstray]

Didn't shake anything. I understand that.

[John Holmberg]

But you understand my point.

[Dale Hellstray]

That's a minor.

[John Holmberg]

But you understand my point.

[Dale Hellstray]

I love tap, okay?

[John Holmberg]

It doesn't matter.

[Dale Hellstray]

Hey, when you score, you tap a guy on the helmet coming in, same thing.

[John Holmberg]

It's just spitting on someone intentionally is.

[Dale Hellstray]

Going to stand and spit on him.

[John Holmberg]

No, I'm just making the point that you're talking about how physical it had to get for it to be. Be bad. That's just not the case, especially with this generation. It's just hands off they get. They will lose their minds in school protecting this generation. I'm not.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, it sounds like you are.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not, I'm, I'm a realist. I know what they are. I can sit and say in my day all I want.

[Dale Hellstray]

So, so the. Our country's going to hell in a handbag.

[John Holmberg]

Here we go. I didn't mean for that.

[Dale Hellstray]

Should we just let it go or is someone going to take a stand?

[John Holmberg]

You take a stand, but you also recognize reality and also recognize Dave. And this is going to hurt a little bit. No one care cares when you pass 50 about you anymore. The new generations.

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't even care about me.

[John Holmberg]

The generation generational truth is when you're 50, you always look back and go, this country's going to hell in a handbag because it's passed you by. Watch the movie no country for Old Men. It's an unbelievable moment to recognize. Nothing's different here.

[Dave Nash]

It's not like, you know, when you talk about that because I, I, I'm old enough to remember, you know, the 60s and yeah, all the hippies and yeah, all the, all.

[John Holmberg]

It's never gonna be the same how.

[Dave Nash]

Many things have been along. Internet's here.

[John Holmberg]

When I was in college, we were slackers and we're like, you're the first generation that's not gonna go anywhere near as good as your parents. You're losers. The country's GDP is gonna start falling, starting with you. And boom, it was better than ever. And we invent the Internet and you guys suck it and all that other stuff. But it was just a very strange feeling of, oh, this is my mortality. That's more angry at this, this than it is the actual facts. You cannot have that with this generation. With ours, I expected to get smacked this one. Oh, they go to therapists. They're, they're, you know, anxiety pills and every. We didn't have it.

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

So we have to accept the generation for what they are. Do we agree with it? No. But does it matter? In reality?

[Dale Hellstray]

Absolutely does not at all.

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[Dale Hellstray]

Well, I tell you this, last week I said, don't put Gannon's name in with the McVeigh or anything.

[John Holmberg]

I'll take it back. I'll take it back.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah. Because honestly, when I first saw it, I didn't know that he confronted him.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

I just saw the end of the game where he's standing there with that, you know, placid look on his face, looking out there like, what am I gonna do?

[John Holmberg]

What just happened?

[Dale Hellstray]

And I thought, I thought, this guy is a clown. And I want to apologize to Jonathan Gannon for thinking that. Because I didn't realize he did the right thing.

[John Holmberg]

We went old school on him.

[Dale Hellstray]

I didn't realize he did the right thing.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

And then when I heard the Cardinals find him.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

I immediately said right away, that's why the Cardinals are losing organization.

[John Holmberg]

Then you have to take it back.

[Dale Hellstray]

Guarantee.

[John Holmberg]

Then you have to retract saying nice things about Gannon because he called the player and apologized and said he was out of line, forced to.

[Dave Nash]

So what?

[Dale Hellstray]

You know what? You got to keep.

[John Holmberg]

You know what? The old school way. Nobody could force me to apologize if I wasn't wrong.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, but you're only making 100,000.

[John Holmberg]

Protecting the money is what he was doing. And when you're sitting back going well, all right. You can buy me.

[Dave Nash]

No doubt about that.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, you've are. You can be. Everyone can be bought.

[John Holmberg]

Absolutely. My price is going to be. Look, I've gone through it. I've gone through it in radio where they tried to find me arbitrarily, and boy, did I. Yeah, it ain't flying.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, no, I get that it's probably a bigger number, but I'm pretty sure. I mean, if you could sell your mom for a quarter, you'd get a quarter.

[Dick Toledo]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Let'S not get into that.

[Dave Nash]

Sell them all.

[Dale Hellstray]

You get a package deal.

[John Holmberg]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If Dua Lipa is on the table, I join Al Qaeda.

[Dale Hellstray]

Hey, enough said.

[John Holmberg]

Velcada made the offer. We can get you Dua Lipa forever.

[Dave Nash]

But you're putting on.

[John Holmberg]

Where's my hat? Where's my beekeeper suit? I'm in. Let's talk about two other things real quick. Mark Sanchez, we're gonna talk about old school. That was the weirdest thing in the world. And you know what my favorite part about the Mark Sanchez story is? Evidently, it was a parking dispute with a guy just doing his job, sucking out grease from a restaurant.

[Dale Hellstray]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

And Mark Sanchez was bombed. My favorite part of that is the first and only time I've ever heard Mark Sanchez described as NFL great.

[Dick Toledo]

What?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I saw tons of articles saying NFL great Mark Sanchez stabbed, and that was before we knew he did it. They kept it when we felt sorry for him, like, oh, my God, he was attacked by random hooligans in Indianapolis and it turned out he wasn't. It was Butt fumble again when we found out.

[Dave Nash]

I was gonna say this because everybody on Fox opened up their shows with prayers for Mark, blah, blah, blah. And how would you feel if you're the one that got. Got stabbed? And. And yet they're waiting to arrest you for a felony. But here's the meme I saw. How would you like to be the guy that is. Is infamous? Yeah. And it'll be for. For long after we're gone for the butt fumble. And that's the second worst thing you've done.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know how he punched a hole in a guy's cheek and cut his tongue if he wasn't stabbing too.

[Dale Hellstray]

He was pro. Well, no, he probably took the guy's.

[John Holmberg]

Hand and I don't know what happened, but the dude got him good in the chest. And you don't get stabbed anywhere near your ribs or stomach. There's some bleed out.

[Dave Nash]

The guy's 70 years old.

[John Holmberg]

And that's the thing. So my initial thought when I first saw it before, and I don't know that we know anything really, was somebody took a picture of Mark doing something he shouldn't have been doing most of the time with a professional athlete. That's. With the lady that isn't the one that's supposed to be. And he sees a guy filming or snapping a photo. Because I'm like, how'd he get in the guy's car? Right, because that was what they said. He broke into his car. And all I could picture was, hey, Sanchez, we know that's not your wife. He throws the phone in the car. Sanchez goes over and starts to try to get his phone. Dude scuffles with him and stabs him. It was actually a worker. Yeah, it was like. That made sense to me when I made this up.

[Dave Nash]

You know what? And my mind doesn't work quite like yours, thank God.

[John Holmberg]

But thank God I tried to find a scenario that was like, that's probably what went down.

[Dave Nash]

Drunk.

[John Holmberg]

It was drunk and a 70 year.

[Dave Nash]

Old and a guy doing his job.

[John Holmberg]

Doing his job. And just parked where Mark Sanchez says, security doesn't want you here. And he's like, okay, well, they can tell me that. Who are you? Yeah, it's not like Mark Sanchez walking around going, oh, there's Mark Sanchez. It's just some guy in Indianapolis. Admittance, midnight drunk coming up to you. Dude drew his knife immediately, as most people would.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

He's not a small man. You know, he's still about Sanchez. Yeah, he's not. And he's 70 years old. And you're like, yeah, it's midnight. I don't know the area. This is the weirdest thing that's happened in a long time.

[Dave Nash]

And it's still. I don't know if all the details have come out yet or not, but Indianapolis police have, you know, felony assault.

[John Holmberg]

Charge, and it's six years. Impossible.

[Dale Hellstray]

Jail time, one to six. What do you think he gets? Make your prediction.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, it depends.

[Dave Nash]

The days over there. Dave text his wife or something.

[John Holmberg]

He's unfamil. Finding the over under in Sanchez's sentence. I have to. I have to know more details. But I mean, if you.

[Dave Nash]

If it.

[John Holmberg]

If it's what we know now, he's getting five. He's getting five of those years. You don't get a year for almost like, for like. There's a lot going on here.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, well. And by the way, the seven year old's still in the hospital too.

[John Holmberg]

And I mean, if you've seen pictures of that guy. Have you seen the pictures? No. He has a hole in his face from his cheek to his lips and his tongue was sliced. So if Sanchez was stabbing him back, that's attempted murder. We don't know that yet. So, I mean, we're looking at this just being the initial thoughts of what happened. The pictures of this guy, he is battered and bloodied and he's Also, because he's 70, if you saw a picture of him, he's in pretty good shape. It looked like for 70, I'm like, that guy's, you know, he's a blue collar Indianapolis dude.

[Dave Nash]

He's working nights, he's working midnights at.

[John Holmberg]

70, life has not been good. If you're 70 and you're still sucking grease out of traps at 70 into a truck at midnight or you don't need this crap coming up on you. How fast, Dale, does Mark Sanchez turn this on the NFL saying, well, I've got CTE and I've got. They're going to have to pay this because they. I've, I've filed complaints that I've had these headaches. I've had some temper outbursts at home. My wife can confirm that and I've told them about it and they haven't done a thing about it. That's my, that's my brain working.

[Dave Nash]

So is he going to claim CT from running in the backside of his office?

[John Holmberg]

That's a quarterback.

[Dave Nash]

T E R E Because I also noticed on Sunday when Kyler Murray took the snap to the helmet, he missed a couple plays.

[John Holmberg]

Is that right?

[Dave Nash]

Oh, you didn't see that?

[Dale Hellstray]

I saw this.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't know he missed anything after.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, he, he missed two or three plays and somebody was saying it was a foot. Now he's not practicing yesterday.

[John Holmberg]

Well, you hit Webster in the head with a football, he might, he might not make it. Yeah, I didn't see that part. But yeah, I mean, if anybody, if Derek Carr or, I mean David Carr and Troy Aikman don't have CTE issues at this point, Mark Sanchez can't. He's got to wait in line between those two because those guys took beatings. If Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, a few of the bigger dudes that just took and the guys who didn't have the rule where you couldn't hit him in the head. There's a ton of dudes from the 70s that have not stabbed a 70 year old blue collar guy. But my brain works like, what's Next. And that's the most sensible thing for his lawyers to say. Say, how's your brain, Mark? Maybe we should do a scan. And, boy, if they get a scan at the hospital for CTE and it comes back, he's got a little wobble.

[Dave Nash]

You can't detect cte, no scan.

[John Holmberg]

But if there's. If there's brain.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, there could be something there.

[Dale Hellstray]

Dale, you could sell your brain scan to, but you're gonna go, oh, my God, this guy.

[John Holmberg]

If I'm a lawyer and I'm not, my first thing is doctors get a look at his brain, because if anything comes up abnormal, we're turning on the NFL. NFL here because that's where the money is, and I got to protect my clients.

[Dave Nash]

You probably have Troy Aikman. You know what's interesting guy? I. I happen to really like him as an analyst. Yeah, I know. There's Troy.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I think he's great.

[Dave Nash]

I know there's. Exactly. Joe, that's.

[John Holmberg]

You hear it all the time.

[Dave Nash]

But he shows no ill effects of the 12 concussions that he had.

[John Holmberg]

And that's what we know about.

[Dave Nash]

Yes, that's. That's. The ones that were.

[John Holmberg]

Those are confirmed, if you asked him. Hundreds.

[Dale Hellstray]

I think there's. I think. I think he has a little bit. I heard he. He sits down when he pees.

[John Holmberg]

That's not. That's not concussion.

[Dave Nash]

That's clean. Yeah, that's cleanliness.

[John Holmberg]

All right, we'll. We'll get you a nice ring then, because you're going to be sitting, friend. It's nice and clean that way. Yeah. Sanchez. I'd say five years. What was your call? You think he gets all six? If this is where it stands. You think he gets out early?

[Dale Hellstray]

I think it does less than a year. I think he does a couple months maybe with a bunch of. Whatever you get.

[John Holmberg]

Just assuming this is all we know.

[Dave Nash]

Know.

[John Holmberg]

You think it's. You think he doesn't know anything?

[Dale Hellstray]

I don't care what I've heard right now. That's all I need to know. He. He. He should be put away for a while.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Dale Hellstray]

He ain't gonna get anything.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. Okay. So you're on the same. I. I think he should get put away. If. Yes, if this is real and he's.

[Dale Hellstray]

Not, nothing's gonna happen.

[John Holmberg]

But again, Michael Irvin, he stabbed the guy in the neck.

[Dale Hellstray]

Same thing.

[Dave Nash]

But that guy didn't press charges.

[Dale Hellstray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Well, there's probably. There's probably some coercion.

[Dave Nash]

Johnny. This guy getting the. Reese didn't take cuts in front of.

[John Holmberg]

Let me ask you this. And this just. This popped in my head. Do you think that you may not know that Jerry went to whomever Michael stabbed and said, if I give you a million dollars, will you keep it off?

[Dave Nash]

Oh, I. I fully got some money.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. Just making sure.

[Dave Nash]

I'm not sure it was a million dollars, but I think he got some money.

[John Holmberg]

Because you can't have Michael going away on probation.

[Dave Nash]

No, no, no, no, no. Not. And I think. Oh, well, I. I don't know. Like you said, Dave said. And I said, we all have our price.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, we all have her. Oh, okay. You're gonna give me that. I didn't say anything.

[John Holmberg]

With a lot of comedians and that Saudi Arabia comedy festival, they just had marked a line for a lot of these guys saying, I can't do this. They had a big festival, and these. They were paying top dollar to these comics to go do comedy in Riyadh.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And a lot of the comedians are like, how much? And because they're trying to, like, get American entertainment over there. So it was big. Chappelle, Bill Burr, like, big names. What's wrong with that? And they went, well, nothing, except for there was a lot of pressure from communities saying, this is a. And it was from the actual kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Like, this is a. You know, they don't like gays, they don't like women. They don't like this. They don't like that. Taking their money. This is an abusive regime. So just to go to the point of. And I'm with you, I'm like, maybe I'd take it. I'd probably take my money and do it thing. But they had a gay comedian who took the money, and they're like, look, the money they offered you, stop doing it. Shane Gillis was probably the hottest comic going right now, was offered money, told his agent, please stop calling me with this, because eventually I'll say yes. Because they were talking huge money. And so, like, you just. It's whether or not you want to come back and deal with the pressures of the lgbtq, the left. Then all these people are like, you can't. You took money from Saudi Arabia. We can no longer listen to you complain about America. America as a comedian. So it does have that thing. So, yeah, everybody has their price. And eventually Saudi Arabia calls, and golfers are like, what? Yes, I'll play golf in Saudi Arabia. It's a thing. Before we close up with Dave's insanity, which he's done a pretty good job today already. I can't imagine what's next. Yeah, let's talk Bill Belichick for five seconds. He's asking for a buyout at unc or at least inquiring.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, he's talking about that.

[John Holmberg]

Did we not all see this coming? I think we talked about it before the season.

[Dave Nash]

Dave said he's the best coach in the history.

[John Holmberg]

That is true, Dale. I remember that.

[Dale Hellstray]

I have been saying he's a fraud since that super bowl that he lost to the Eagles. Yeah, I've stated it here and I haven't stated it here. Stated other. Some shows or whatever.

[John Holmberg]

The bullhorn in your window. You're exactly screaming at neighbors traffic if the red light's too long. Yes.

[Dale Hellstray]

No. He. He's a lunatic. He. He. He's a defensive. He's a great defensive coordinator. And that's it. You take away Tom Brady. Hey, you know what he needs? He needs to bring Tom Brady back. Does Tom Brady have any College?

[John Holmberg]

He's 11 and castle.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, you know what? Here's the thing about. I played enough sports. Here's the thing. When you lose, it's called. When you lose your best players, you are winning. And losing is a habit. And. And the Patriots had a habit of winning so they could plug in anyone. But in time, that habit.

[John Holmberg]

Then why didn't it work after Brit. Why is it Brady then it was.

[Dale Hellstray]

Listen, the year after Brady, they still what, went 9 and 8?

[John Holmberg]

Jones came along.

[Dale Hellstray]

They went 9 and 8. They probably should have been 3 and 13 that year.

[John Holmberg]

That's good coaching.

[Dale Hellstray]

No, that's. That's. Winning is a habit.

[John Holmberg]

Come on.

[Dale Hellstray]

No doubt about it.

[John Holmberg]

I know winning is a habit helps.

[Dale Hellstray]

That's the hardest thing that the Cardinals had to overcome. They're losing franchises.

[John Holmberg]

Losing is a habit too.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah, losing habit too.

[John Holmberg]

But I don't think. I don't think you can say winning is a habit to the point of.

[Additional Announcer]

Of.

[John Holmberg]

I think a coach has something to do with it. Because once winning is a habit was.

[Dave Nash]

No longer a thing as harsh as him. But I will. I have always said this. Oh, who. Who was more important to the New England Patriots? Belichick or Brady?

[John Holmberg]

Always Brady.

[Dave Nash]

Don't even think it's close to Brady.

[Dale Hellstray]

No, I think Vrabel and Teddy Brusky were more important than. Than Belichick. Maybe they are easy to say on that team. Your team needs strong leadership.

[John Holmberg]

I'll tell you this. Vrabel played for the Steelers. Steelers went to New England and became a different guy.

[Dale Hellstray]

You gotta bring the Steelers in there.

[Dave Nash]

He played for The Steelers before he.

[John Holmberg]

Was drafted by the Steelers. Okay, yeah, he was good defensive end. Had a. Actually ironically in the playoffs. Had a tackle, a game saving tackle against the Patriots. Caused a fumble coming off the end. And like this variable kid might be pretty good. They didn't see it. They moved him around over there in New England and saw something. They did. And so, you know, there's, there's to say he's a fraud and boy, do I want to believe you. But to say he's a fraud is terrible. It's like when people bash Barry Switzer. Barry, well, that was, that was Jimmy's team and whatever. Look, you cannot coach a team to a Super bowl being an idiot.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, no. An NFC Championship game and then a Super bowl, right? Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Two years in a row. You cannot do that. And proof of that comes that once Bill Belichick left, the next coach maybe couldn't win anything with the team at. Oh, culture. Winning is all it was. Belichick was a. I'll give you that. Brady's much more important, but so was Drew Brees to the brilliance of Sean Payton. And so is Matthew Stafford to Sean McVeigh.

[Dale Hellstray]

Sean Payton just took Bo Nicks, a first round pick that nobody wanted and they went to the playoffs.

[John Holmberg]

Look, so were they eight and nine? Something like that, yeah. Okay. And then you got McVeigh over there who recognized. I can't do this with God. Golf. I'm a good coach. I'm not a great coach. I need a quarterback that's better. How dare you. No, it's true. Because once he got Stafford, like he's.

[Dale Hellstray]

A great coach to know that he can't win with golf because golf is gutless in the pocket. So golf has success with Detroit because they had the best offensive line. You take away that offensive line, you take away his weapons.

[John Holmberg]

Golf is pretty good.

[Dave Nash]

Dave, you need to save some of this energy for your last five minutes. You're shooting your load right now.

[John Holmberg]

Shooting your load.

[Dave Nash]

And all of a sudden he's going to be talking like a little cat. Building. Remember what my other topic was going to be?

[John Holmberg]

Building seven. JonBenet. Whatever he's talking about today. Were we on the move? Yeah. Is JonBenet on the moon? Who knows what's going on? Yeah, the. And the last thing I want to talk about before what Belichick thinks. Crazy. I said it was a. I said it was going to be this way from the beginning because Belichick didn't care and never cared. This was about Steve Belichick. He had to Go there, get the attention this. And also by the way, no code. You remember the last two years of Vince Lombardi?

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

He was the Washington Redskins coach. They couldn't win.

[Dave Nash]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

It's, it's, it's not the coach. It's, it's the system. The thing. Bill Belichick wasn't going to fix UNC in a year.

[Dave Nash]

Well, and, and when I knew that Bill Belichick was not in this, did not have his head in this is when he decided to start dating a 24 year old girl.

[John Holmberg]

Nobody's going to be as good at their job as they used to be with 24 year old girls around.

[Dave Nash]

No. And you're 75.

[John Holmberg]

You're not even going to be as good a friend.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Like you're going to be now. I can't. I haven't seen Dale in a year and a half. What happened? Oh, he's got a 25 year old girlfriend. Like, oh, okay, that makes sense.

[Dale Hellstray]

He's hate to piss on all the dreams of all the old guys out there listening to say oh, you shouldn't be with a 25 year old. But you know what?

[John Holmberg]

I don't, I, I, what old guys are you talking to? That's why they go to your business.

[Dale Hellstray]

I, I, I don't know why anyone would want to be, be anyone over the age of 50 want to be with a 20 year old. I just don't, I mean I just, it doesn't, I don't, it doesn't compute.

[John Holmberg]

I can think of one thing.

[Dale Hellstray]

I get that. But, but for me, I just think it shows the decision making processes that's going on in this guy's head.

[John Holmberg]

That also though he's been talking to 22 and 23 year olds his whole life.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, but those are men.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, but still that's his surroundings.

[Dale Hellstray]

He's going out with someone who could be his granddaughter.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, no, no, keep going. A great granddaughter.

[Dale Hellstray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe that's if he got started early.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, but let me tell you, you know what? I know that the Belichick wasn't in this. His head was not into it. And I, I agree with you. Yeah. He kind of took the job. So hopefully his son. And now that's going to blow up in his height. Yeah, but when he did that interview.

[John Holmberg]

Oh my God.

[Dave Nash]

And the girlfriend said, you're not answering that. Yeah, and he said I'm not answering. Okay, that's what I said.

[John Holmberg]

When he's making out with her on the sidelines too.

[Dave Nash]

I mean are you 15 years ago can you imagine Giselle bunching, coming down and making out with Brady on the sideline? He'd be okay with that.

[John Holmberg]

I can imagine it.

[Dave Nash]

But it wouldn't be a good thing.

[John Holmberg]

I can't. I can't imagine any coach, good, bad or otherwise. Rich Kotite would have had a problem with a dude kissing somebody on the sidelines, let alone. Alone the players would have had a problem seeing Rich Kotite making out with the broad on the corner. Like, what is going on? Does anybody care about us? It doesn't bode well for UNC because the press is all about how distracted Bill is and it's not going to make the portal open up and a bunch of guys want to play there. His, his. Dave's very happy and I think I kind of am too. His legacy is a little tarnished and. Well, no, and it does go back to what you're saying is like, he's nothing without Brady. It lends a lot of weight to that.

[Dave Nash]

Lends a lot of weight to that. The one thing I'll say about legacy. Legacy is because I remembered. I remember like it was yesterday when Emmett signed with the Cardinals. Yeah. And everybody said he's ruining his legacy.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

No, he didn't. He made. He made five, six more million dollars. And he's a cowboy. Right. It's like people forget that. People forget 10 years from now that Belichick coached it, North Carolina for one year.

[John Holmberg]

But I mean, yeah, people forgot Vince Lombardi's nightmare in Washington. You always forget, you know, Franco Harris as a Seahawk, Tony Dorset as a Bronco. You know, you forget those.

[Dale Hellstray]

You got to give Lombardi a break. I mean, he had raging going on. How are you going to coach a.

[John Holmberg]

Team then don't take the job.

[Dale Hellstray]

Well, he didn't know it.

[John Holmberg]

He knew he had cancer the last year you quit. When you get raging cancer, that's the thing, you don't show up just cancer. It's raging cancer. It's from. It's a very.

[Dave Nash]

It's for the shot.

[John Holmberg]

It's from New Orleans.

[Dave Nash]

It's for the shot.

[Dale Hellstray]

Cage did have the shot right before that season.

[John Holmberg]

God, it was those damaged brand new vaccines back when he was a kid anyway. And finally brown spangles. Hilarious. Okay, that's that. Let's just. Because the Joe Flacco you don't trade into Venus Division. Can you imagine if the Cowboys traded their backup quarterback to the Giants who were. Who were done because their quarterback was hurt? And you're like, ah, we've got a good QB now. You can have this guy and he's going to get you through a few.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I. I can actually look at it and go, well, Flacco, 62. Yeah, he's gonna get him through this season. I think it's more hilarious that he's on a southwest flight, sitting in the middle of coach. Yeah. Going to Cleveland.

[Dale Hellstray]

What are you worried about?

[John Holmberg]

I'm not.

[Dale Hellstray]

Do you think. Do you think Cleveland is worried about Flacco?

[John Holmberg]

No. But how Browns is it to have two rookie quarterbacks in your quarterback room and an established quarterback who's a Super Bowl MVP at one point, and you know you had him as your starter three weeks ago. You watch your rookie quarterback simply not crap the bed one game and you're like, all right, we don't need any veteran leadership in the quarterback room anymore. Send him to a division rival that needs a quarterback.

[Dale Hellstray]

Maybe water. You thinking maybe he's not a good veteran leadership.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe he's.

[Dale Hellstray]

Maybe he's. Maybe he's behind the scenes. Well, double agent sabotaging the younger.

[Dave Nash]

He's in there going, whatever. Sanders needs to be the starter now.

[John Holmberg]

So the Browns say we take Dylan and Sanders to the next level. Like, good luck. You are idiots. And maybe you're right. Maybe Flack was a double agent.

[Dale Hellstray]

Maybe who started over in their last game was. It was Dylan Gabriel.

[John Holmberg]

Right. And that's what I'm saying.

[Dale Hellstray]

They should have won that game.

[John Holmberg]

Look, rookie quarterback with no tape on him. Duck Hodges had two good games for the Steelers to the point where, like, maybe he's something. Tape gets out and it's like, duck Hodges is not good. Maybe he will be someday, but he's not good. You get Dylan Gabriel out there for a game. If he was that good, they'd have seen it in camp. They'd see it every week. They'd be like, he's better than Flacco. We got to get him out there.

[Dale Hellstray]

All right, so see, these just didn't suck.

[Dave Nash]

But I got to tell you this, and this is maybe the safest bet of the year. I promise you, he's going to go in Sunday because. Because Cleveland. I mean, since I won't be able to mess with him, he's going to be Joe flacco. The spreads, 14 and a half points. He might put money on the Cincinnati Bengals this week. Now, going forward, I like it. I know it's going to happen, but 14 and a half. Flacco will have one game.

[John Holmberg]

They already beat the packers once. He beat him two weeks ago. So he just saw this team one Thing I do know about Joe Flacco, and it drove me nuts with the Ravens. He's a huck and chuck guy. He loves the flag and he knows how to throw a high, deep ball. That causes massive trouble for cornerbacks. He.

[Dave Nash]

When.

[John Holmberg]

When in trouble, Joe would just take three steps and pop one in the air. And it was. It wasn't a pop up. It was deep enough. The guy still had to run, but it was a slowdown. Wide receiver could get run over. They got more yards on pass interference with Joe Flack. And with these two receivers, I was.

[Dave Nash]

Gonna say, what does Cincinnati have?

[John Holmberg]

That's all they've got. And it's like, look, we're not running the ball ball. It's third and 11 again. Two go routes down the ends, confuse the safeties. At least get a safety kind of laid on a ball running over and he's going to hit the. We're getting 35 yards. He's. You're right, Dale. He's going to get a game where you're like, flacco's doing that thing he did against the Steelers last year with the Colts, to the point where Tomlin came out and said, last year when we played them, my. I told my defense, you keep Anthony Richardson up. I don't want to see Flacco in this game.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

We didn't prepare for him.

[Dale Hellstray]

You see how good Flacco veteran leadership worked out for Richardson. He's a much better player. I'm not saying that and that. I'm saying that as sarcastically as I could have.

[John Holmberg]

Richardson may have been overdrafted.

[Dale Hellstray]

You think hindsight would be drafted?

[John Holmberg]

I mean, he would have had to have played in college a little. That would have helped.

[Dale Hellstray]

That's the key.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe not start him week one.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. And. And if he played a little bit college, maybe you might have seen a couple of the wards, right?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, the wards were there. And you're like, yeah, screw it. Throw him in.

[Dave Nash]

He's big.

[John Holmberg]

He'll be. Be fine. Yeah. Tomlin said, we didn't prep for Flacco. We prepped for that big dude. And he's going to run around. Do not knock him. And they knocked him out of the game in the first quarter. Flaco's out there just throwing darts because we're in this spy defense. We had to jump back. It was terrible. Flaco's got a game in him every month. Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. All right, Dave, that's enough. You've driven me nuts long enough. That'll do it.

[Dale Hellstray]

Hey, I have that win.

[John Holmberg]

You do. You're very good about it. It is the sport thing, AKA John Holmberg sports podcast.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Featuring permanent guest Dale Hellstray and the rest. I like the featuring part, too. That means that we can alter that later. And now I give you the last five minutes of the show for me, John Holmberg. There's Dale Hellstray. Now it's five minutes with a madman. Dave Nash. Dave, take it away.

[Dave Nash]

He's catching his breath.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, he's had a big show.

[Dale Hellstray]

There's so many topics. But I want to bring up the fact that I don't know if people understand or maybe you guys understand that digital ID and digital currency is coming. Yeah, they are pushing that. And when they push that, what that is, that system is already used in China. It's called a social credit system. And when cash becomes obsolete and they're pushing for that, then if all your money is digitally controlled and like you say something that the government doesn't like, they can lock down your bank, they can lock down your resources, and your freedom is gone.

[John Holmberg]

And they already digitally controlled now.

[Dale Hellstray]

No, no, because you still have cash and people will still, they want to do away with all of that. And if you don't circum to signing up for this, like it happened in Vietnam, I guess they, they, they locked up, I think, 72 million people's bank accounts in Vietnam.

[John Holmberg]

Wow.

[Dale Hellstray]

Yeah. So when, when you, when you say, oh, that can't happen here, not in America, listen, they're doing it elsewhere. It will come here. There's no way digital id, digital currency, that's going to be, they're pushing in other parts of the world, especially Europe, England. Yeah, that's not going to happen there. But I mean, that's happened there, but it's not going to happen here. And when that happens now, your freedoms are gone. So I'm just pointing that out. I could do about, not only a couple hours, I could probably do a couple days straight.

[John Holmberg]

And I'll go grab lunch. We'll come back when you're done.

[Dave Nash]

That's fine.

[Dale Hellstray]

I just want to point that out, that that's being pushed right now. And, and you know, this is, you know, they push Republican, Democrat at us because like, like it's smoke and mirrors. They want to divide us. There is no difference between these clowns in, in Washington. It's a uni party for all you Republicans out there that are happy now because Trump's in there. Hey, the, the people in Trump's administration, they're pushing for this. Trump's pushing for this. And it is anti American, anti freedom. And, you know, I can go on. I'm not a Republican or Democratic Democrat. I'm an independent. I'm an American. But if you can't see what's going on and you start getting along the lines of, it's us, you know, they're dividing us, we're gonna lose.

[John Holmberg]

Yep.

[Dale Hellstray]

And this is coming, and it's super, super dangerous. If you want to continue have your freedoms and do the things you want to do, travel when you want to go live where you want to go, do all those things, those will be gone.

[John Holmberg]

Jesse Ventura's book, back in the 90s, when he became a governor and then I think a senior senator, his first. The first line of his. Or it was like a little preamble to his book. And it basically said, I learned something within a first week of being in politics, which is, the right screams one thing, the left screams the other and causes us to fight. And then they go in back rooms and make deals with each other.

[Dale Hellstray]

Correct.

[Dave Nash]

100.

[John Holmberg]

The first time he said it, like, he said it much more eloquently than I did, but he. It was eye opening. And that's what made me an independent. That's what made me go, why would I side with either side? Because I see that, too.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[Dale Hellstray]

No doubt.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know anything about what you're talking about 100%. And so long as I have tons of it, I'll be fine.

[Dale Hellstray]

Hey, I tell you what. Because you make a living speaking for now, you make a living speaking for now. If you say the wrong thing, you're toast.

[John Holmberg]

Let me tell you this. If the money's right, all hail our new overlords. I'm very fine. Just if they say, hey, you can't have your money unless you say this, this, and this. And if you do, we'll give you more. Welcome to the show. Osama bin Laden Jr. He's my new partner. Partner.

[Dale Hellstray]

Pass me off. I'm, I'm.

[John Holmberg]

That sports thing with John Holberg, Dale H.R. and Osama Jr. Yeah, no, and, and.

[Dale Hellstray]

And, and the rest of the cast or whatever.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not into fighting. I've only got a few years left here, man. I'm not playing the game where I got to figure out how to. I'm. I'm not dancing for my dinner.

[Dave Nash]

Thank God.

[Dale Hellstray]

Well, if you, if you're not careful, yeah, they'll just throw you right in jail and they'll give you your, your, your dinners.

[John Holmberg]

You know what? That's three free meals a day. That's less for me to do. That's just me antagonizing. I'm just antagonizing.

[Dave Nash]

That's it.

[John Holmberg]

We're done. I like that one, Dave. We're done. There's Dale. Hell, there's Dave Nash. I'm John Holberg. We'll see you next time. So long.

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