The Sports Thing Podcast - Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 8 - 09-25-25

Summary

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Holmberg’s Morning Sickness: The Sports Thing Podcast – Episode 8 (09-25-25)

Podcast: Holmberg’s Morning Sickness, 98KUPD
Hosts: John Holmberg, Dale Hellestray, Dave Nash, Brady
Date: September 26, 2025

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Overview

This episode of "The Sports Thing Podcast" features John Holmberg, legendary Dallas Cowboy Dale Hellestray, and the irrepressible Dave Nash. The crew dives into a full range of sports: breaking down the Ryder Cup and the intricacies of international golf, dissecting coaching decisions in the NFL (with a focus on the Giants and Cardinals), riffing hilariously on the disconnect between sports analytics and coaching guts, and closing out with a heated, slightly off-the-rails debate on vaccines and family values.

The conversation is candid, often irreverent, and full of Arizona sports soul, keeping the show's signature high-energy, quick-banter style at the forefront.

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Key Segments & Discussion Highlights

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1. Ryder Cup & The State of Team Golf

[02:00 – 22:00]

- Passion for the Ryder Cup/International Golf:

• Holmberg extols the Ryder Cup as the “most exciting tournament” in golf, wishing for more international team formats without diluting the event’s appeal.

  • “International events bring out the best fans, even passive ones… Golf actually does this really well but could go even bigger.” (05:03, John Holmberg)

• Nash and Hellestray are skeptical about expanding the format, with Nash turning discussion to LIV Golf and the drama of Saudi money and controversies. Brady jokes: “If it wasn’t for LIV Golf, there’d have been no 9/11… No, no, no, no!” (05:49-06:03)

- Betting and Picking Favorites:

• Brady confesses he bet on Europe, citing the underdog mentality and how favorites choke under pressure:

  • “It’s hard to be the favorite in any golf event...” (08:56, Brady).

• Dale points out the unique pressure of team formats and how “alternate shot changes everything – if I hit a ball in the trap, and now my partner’s gotta go out there? You feel horrible.” (06:44, Dale)

- Who Should America Start? Strategy Banter:

• The roundtable jovially argues who should open for Team USA – with mixed baseball and golf metaphors. Holmberg wants lesser-knowns and “wouldn’t start my heavy hitter out first… Look at what happens with the Dodgers and Shohei.” (12:02-17:02)

• Brady, in classic contrarian form, disagrees:

  • “If you’re not expecting anything from Cantlay or Schauffele… I’d put them out first, hands down.” (13:41, Brady)

• Extended digressions compare lineup strategies in baseball, riff on Ohtani’s RBIs, and the idea of “putting bad guys first.”

- Why Europe Cares More (According to John):

• “It means more to the Europeans to beat the United States... They’re our little brother, they’ve gotta beat us at something.” (18:03)

Notable Quotes:

• “Europe can suck it. That’s what I say. And keep your eyes on Germany.” (20:39, John Holmberg)
• “I'm an American, Dave. I root for the United States.” (20:49, Holmberg)
• “You’re big on ties – they love that stuff, all their sports. We kick the living bejesus out of them to become the USA.” (20:15, Holmberg)

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2. NFL Quarterback Coaching & Rookie Development

[23:34 – 34:23]

- The Daniel Jones/Sam Darnold/Jackson Dart Debate:

• The hosts launch into the struggles of NFL rookie QBs being thrown into bad situations, arguing that coaching matters more than draft hype, and cautioning against wasted potential:

  • Holmberg: “Wouldn’t it be smarter for coaches to just say, ‘You gave me a roster I can’t win with… let me keep my rookie on the bench?’” (24:09)
  • Dale: “Coaching is so important. Sam Darnold in New York with the Jets was seeing ghosts… he goes to Minnesota and leads them to 14 wins.” (26:44, Dale)
  • “Patrick Mahomes sat a year behind Alex Smith. Andy Reid had the patience and wisdom to say – ‘I’m not starting a rookie.’” (34:44, Holmberg)

- The Risks of Rushing Rookies:

• “Is it worth the risk? He is their future… You just had Russell Wilson go for 460 yards. If you can beat the bad teams, build on that.” (32:20, Holmberg)
• “Troy got the living snot knocked out of him his rookie year. He was mentally strong enough, but most don’t survive that.” (34:08, Dale)

- Giants and the Giants’ Defense:

• Brady touts the Giants’ promising defense and wonders if Dart could succeed with more support:
  • “Maybe give Dart a chance to actually move this offense and the defense stiffens up. You have a different team.” (31:02, Brady)

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3. Football Analytics vs. Old-School Coaching Guts

[35:15 – 43:14]

• Dan Campbell’s Gutsy Coaching:

  • Deep dive on Lions' coach Dan Campbell’s infamous 4th-and-2 call against the Ravens, balancing analytics vs. feel:

    • “If he misses that throw, we’re almost talking about Dan Campbell as a moron. But… guess what – he can live with that.” (37:37, Dale)

    • Brady’s take is bold:

      • “Even if it doesn’t work, I want my team to play to win. Punting is fear.” (38:45)

    • Holmberg pushes back on analytics over trust in defense:

      • “You think punting is fear? It is not. Playing the strategy of your defense – that’s playing to win.” (41:41)

• The Group’s Consensus:

  • Analytics have “reared their ugly head” but don’t account for “six sacks and forced fumbles” the defense has already produced (41:53, Dale).
  • Win or lose, coaches will always be judged by the result, not the process.

Notable Quotes:

• “Brandon Staley did it too, and the Chargers lost every time…” (37:10, Holmberg)
• “Questions get answers. That is dialogue.” (68:45, Holmberg)

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4. Arizona Focus: Cardinals & Marvin Harrison Jr.

[47:06 – 56:59]

• Dale raises the “what-do-you-do?” dilemma with Marvin Harrison Jr., the talented but disengaged Cardinals receiver:

  • “What do you do… with a guy who stops running routes, who’s body language is disinterested to high heaven?” (47:06, Dale)
  • “He’s now a year and three games in, and the one consistency I’m seeing: he’s aloof. He takes plays off.” (48:23, Holmberg)
  • “Trade names when they’re still names. You don’t lose anything – you can replace receivers in the draft.” (47:57, Holmberg)

• Group reflects on inherited talent, attitude, and juniors never quite matching their celebrated fathers:

  • “Work ethic, played, whatever, 15 years in the league, and that doesn’t seem to have been imparted to his son…” (51:19, Dale)

• Detours include Marvin Harrison Sr.’s infamous off-field controversy.

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5. Valley Sports Blues & Suns Sidebar

[55:49 – 57:19]

• Dale coins the line, “The Valley can’t have nice things,” referencing Arizona’s sports heartbreaks (55:49).
• Debate on the Phoenix Suns hiring Steve Nash in a backup executive role, and the pressure on their “kindergarten” head coach:
  • “If this doesn’t work out… Steve, you ready?” (56:50, Holmberg)

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6. Cowboys, Packers & Micah Parsons

[57:42 – 61:22]

• Outlook on the Cowboys' locker room after losing key players, and whether there's pride or apathy:
  • “Wouldn’t you want to show you’re more than just one guy?... Now that he’s gone, we’re worthless?” (59:25, Holmberg)
  • Dale has a veteran’s view: “It’s one thing to have pride. It's another to not be good enough to block him.” (60:56)
• Consensus: Packers will handle Dallas, but the NFL is, as always, wild.

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7. Five Minutes with a Lunatic: Vaccine Rant & Family Values

[62:10 – 69:03]

• Dave Nash delivers his customary segment, taking a conspiratorial stance against vaccines:
  • “Nothing that goes in your body is good for you. Mercury, aluminum… Amish don’t get vaccines, they don’t have autism. Vaccines cause so much damage to us…” (62:26-63:29)
  • Claims he would disown his kids if they vaccinated his grandchildren:
    • “If my kids have kids and they vaccinate their kids, they’re discommunicated!” (63:54, Nash)
  • Dale and John challenge his logic but concede that people should ask questions and have honest dialogue.
    • “Ask questions. The truth loves scrutiny.” (67:19, Holmberg)

Notable Quotes:

• “Game over.” (68:21, Nash, on mRNA vaccines)
• “Questions get answers. That is dialogue.” (68:45, Holmberg)

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

- “Europe can suck it. That’s what I say… keep your eyes on Germany.” (20:39, Holmberg)

- “Punting is fear.” (41:41, Brady)

- “If you’re not expecting anything from Cantlay or Schauffele… I’d put them out first, hands down.” (13:41, Brady)

- “The truth loves scrutiny. Always ask questions.” (67:19, Holmberg)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ryder Cup Debate: 02:00 – 22:00
• NFL Rookie Coaching: 23:34 – 34:23
• Football Analytics/4th Down Calls: 35:15 – 43:14
• Cardinals & Marvin Harrison Jr.: 47:06 – 56:59
• Suns & Valley Blues: 55:49 – 57:19
• Cowboys/Packers/Micah Parsons: 57:42 – 61:22
• Five Minutes with a Lunatic (Vaccines): 62:10 – 69:03

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Tone & Style

The episode is classic morning radio: irreverent, fast-talking, peppered with sarcasm and strong opinions, with frequent pivots from genuine sports insight to hilarious, sometimes politically incorrect asides. The crew challenges each other, mixes sports and pop culture, and always finds time for regional Arizona references and personal jabs.

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A must-listen for fans of Arizona sports talk, NFL strategy debate, Ryder Cup hype – and the odd, outrageous soapbox!

Transcript

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[Brady]

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[John Holmberg]

Listen to that. It gets going. We all know. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome once again to the podcast that is sweeping the nation. And there is a clear reason why.

[Dale Hellestray]

Thank you, John.

[John Holmberg]

This is the John Holmerg Sportscast with permanent guest Dale Hellestray and the rest.

[Brady]

And other guys.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, how did this change formerly?

[John Holmberg]

Dale, I'm not done with the introduction. Formerly known as the sports thing. The John Holmberg sports podcast is upon us. You know, I started paying attention like the Rich Eisen podcast all the Colin Coward, the star of the podcast, always gets it named after him.

[Dale Hellestray]

Wait, who said you're the star?

[Brady]

Well, you talk the most, but you make the least amount of sense. So does that count for you?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know about that, Nash.

[Brady]

How dare you.

[John Holmberg]

Geez, the mic just broke. Well, see, now the. Even the equipment's fighting back. I don't need this all day long. Yeah, my name's John Holmberg from the wildly successful not only this podcast, but another show with my name on it, which is fantastic. Homework's morning sickness. Dale Hell streets here. Three time world champion of Dallas Cowboys, and of course, entrepreneur and local lunatic Dave Nash joins us, as he does sometimes. Not all the shows. Dale and I have 100% attendance.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, Nash travels a lot.

[John Holmberg]

Dave travels a good life.

[Brady]

No, I get. I get two weeks. I took two weeks to go spend time with my 90 year old mom.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my gosh. Well, that's nice. Yeah.

[Brady]

So there you go.

[John Holmberg]

So. Okay, well, don't rub it in like we were trying to make. You just weren't. You just weren't at work is what we're saying. You just didn't show up for your job. Yeah, but here we are now, football's in full swing. We're ready to go with what we're talking about. And not just football. Talk a little baseball. We'll get some other stuff in there. And I believe that this week, you. You golf freaks getting fairly excited about what's coming up in that world, which is a very exciting tournament that I think they should do more often in the world of golf.

[Dale Hellestray]

But if you do it more often, does it hold the same appeal three.

[John Holmberg]

Or four times a year? If you had international events, they don't have to all be the same format.

[Dale Hellestray]

I can see every year.

[Brady]

Every PGA Tour is an international event.

[John Holmberg]

It's independent. I like team. I like.

[Brady]

Hey, you like team. Watch Liv golf. It's team event every week.

[John Holmberg]

Stop yelling at me. I want the PGA involved and to do it right. The live golf. Liv's not right. No, it's clearly not. There's music. They're in shorts. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Brady]

Music. You don't work at a radio station.

[John Holmberg]

Right. And we don't turn it on at golf courses. There's a time and a place.

[Brady]

David, you know I play golf with.

[John Holmberg]

I know. And it drives everybody nuts. And that's why everyone hates golfing with you.

[Brady]

Thank you.

[John Holmberg]

That and the incessant chatter.

[Dale Hellestray]

Never.

[John Holmberg]

Dale, back me up on that.

[Dale Hellestray]

No. Yes.

[John Holmberg]

The man talks during his own backswing.

[Dale Hellestray]

I can tell you the Dave and I have known each other for a long time. We've argued like cats and dogs for a long time. Only time I ever got pissed at him was on the golf course because he started arguing with another. The other guy. The rest of his water off and ducks back. I don't know. You're stupid. You make ridiculous. But I'm on the tee box. He's arguing with this other guy in our foursome. And I mean loud. Like he talks loud. He's just talking around. I said. I said shut the hell up. I'm trying to get my tee shot. And he didn't stop.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, boy.

[Dale Hellestray]

And I'm in the middle.

[Brady]

I'm in the middle. In the middle of a sentence. Done.

[John Holmberg]

You got to finish. Punctuates.

[Dale Hellestray]

And then I went to a radio show, and I was pissed.

[John Holmberg]

And what's crazy about that is Dale and I will back Dave up on this is Dale has no problem talking and making fun of your backswing. If he doesn't like your approach. If he doesn't like how you address the ball. Boy, oh, boy, Will you ever hear that? Here it comes. Here it comes.

[Dale Hellestray]

The three of us need to go out one time.

[John Holmberg]

You've seen I have a wagon.

[Dale Hellestray]

Johnny has developed this new fangled.

[John Holmberg]

It's not a new fangle.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, but it's gotten worse.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And who's the golfer that I call Sergio? Sergio. He makes Sergio look like a speed golfer.

[John Holmberg]

You know why? Because right when I'm ready to finally address, I hear, hit the ball, and I got to start over.

[Brady]

Well, I will say that since it's become the fabulous, fantastic John Holmberg podcast, I would say you're probably making that whole golf event about you. Hey, give me about a minute or two to everyone watch me.

[John Holmberg]

Watch me go. You would just be talking to whoever.

[Dale Hellestray]

I actually have to turn away now because he's on his night. I tried to count him one time, and he doesn't so quick. About 12 of them.

[John Holmberg]

Thank you. I do it so quick.

[Dale Hellestray]

He said, thank you very much.

[John Holmberg]

And you get in there, and then I line it up and.

[Dale Hellestray]

And it get worse.

[John Holmberg]

A 345, 350. That's pretty good. Anyway, blah, blah, blah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Who's going to win the Ryder Cup?

[John Holmberg]

Man, this, to me, though, that's what I'm saying is like, these are. One thing about hockey is that passive fans show up with hockey when it's Canada versus USA Russia. You know, we love international events, and it can happen in the middle. The Olympics, I mean, it's just flat out amazing. We do it with soccer, for God's sakes. When. When it's Olympics and it's international. Golf has probably the best international representation because you're. You're talking about Korea, Japan, China. You've got South America. You've got all these places represented. You could put together a little continental thing. Ryder cup is awesome stuff, but it's Europe, U.S. i mean, you're actually kind of bouncing a few guys out of there that could play in this thing.

[Dale Hellestray]

Playing the President's car.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah, but.

[Brady]

But obviously, need to watch more live golf.

[John Holmberg]

No, live golf is. There's a controversy behind it, and it's all Saudi money, so you should be the first one that hates it, because if it wasn't for Liv Golf, there'd have been no 9 11.

[Brady]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Dale Hellestray]

Remember, without a 9 11, there'd be no live golf.

[Brady]

In other shows, we were behind 9 11.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that's right. I think I, I. Well, I mean, obviously you want to say USA right away, because, I mean, you got Scheffler. I mean, this is an outstanding USA team. So I've been watching.

[Brady]

I bet the European team already, they.

[John Holmberg]

Always tend to be better, and it's usually the guys who are low on the team.

[Brady]

I got one and a half times when I get. For $100, I put up, I get 150 back.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, no kidding.

[Brady]

Yeah. That's credible odds. When.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

European teams, they're strong.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

But here's the thing.

[Brady]

They. And they play these. This event.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. And here's the thing about the Runner cup is that Americans, they don't play these team events.

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Dale Hellestray]

And I played in a number of member guests. I've been fortunate enough to make a couple horse races. Yeah. There is something that is wildly different about playing alternate shot. Because if I hit my ball in the trap and I have to tromp through and maybe get bit by a rattlesnake, that's one thing. If I hit it and my partner has to go out there, you'd feel horrible.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You let the team down, it becomes a team sport.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Which is why I like. I like golf for what it is, but it's an individual against himself.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

In a team game, it becomes an individual against himself who hurts other people who are trying to help him along. It's fascinating to me. It's got flags attached, it's got patriotism on it. The excitement. The players play with the. You know, when you're looking at that Saturday afternoon run and those guys are literally fighting, and then the other players around the 18th green waiting for that last, it is an atmosphere that is. You know, everybody loves the Phoenix Open here because the atmosphere is amazing. These golfers show that. It's like we could, we could smack smash a 340 yard drive while you chat in the backswing. You just want everybody doing it, but when it's them, there's noise, there's cheering. It's a soccer game. These guys are having a blast. And it's more fun to watch. I will say, I think when you watch a Sunday leaderboard and you see the little American flags all the way down in the top 20 is usually like 14American flags. That makes you just say, well, how can you lose this? But annually or I guess whenever they run.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You start thinking to yourself, man, every time I watch. And I think the US is going to dominate. Somebody I've kind of heard of from Spain.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Beats Scheffler in the first round. And all of a sudden the whole thing just collapses and you're down five going into day two.

[Brady]

I think the reason why I like Europe, betting it wise and would be I would take anyone who's the underdog. Because when you're golfing your golf, you Golf. When you. When you're. When you feel free and easy, you're able to hit the ball better, everything goes better. When you. When you have the pressure on, thinking, I can't miss this shot, or. Or I'm. I'm supposed to win and this guy's playing equal with me, you start feeling the pressure, and the swing just is not the same.

[John Holmberg]

You got to pull your weight. Nothing worse than feeling like you're not pulling your weight and then lining up a. Golf.

[Brady]

It's hard to be the favorite in any golf event.

[Dale Hellestray]

The last. The last Ryder cup tomorrow morning, if the weather permits. Yeah. The big thing is what kind of start they get off to. In. In rome, Americans went down.

[Brady]

0.

[John Holmberg]

4.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, 4 right out of the gate. And now you're digging out of a hole and you're on foreign soil and all. I'm. I'm fascinated to see what the New York fans are going to be like. And with the excitement levels around that.

[John Holmberg]

Corner, was it the Davis love teams or. Who was the coach that time? We had Tiger, Phil.

[Brady]

You had that, and it was. Hal Sutton was the Cat.

[John Holmberg]

And then they went down like eight. They got killed. And if you looked at that. If you looked at that team, you're like, these are like, this is the hall of Fame.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, but that's the thing. If you. If you look at it, John. And that's the year that Hal sudden put Tiger and Phil together. Arguably at that point, the two best golfers in the world, they couldn't stand each other. Yeah. And now you're putting them together as teammates. Oh, yeah. Awesome. Now.

[Brady]

And you want me to go golf with you guys gonna do the same thing?

[John Holmberg]

Exactly.

[Dale Hellestray]

You just go walk along yourself with your headphones on.

[Brady]

Good point.

[John Holmberg]

Far, far away from us. We'll be fine. We'll be fine. You isolate. You're better off that way. And we don't want to mess with Charlie. Charlie Sheen's here. So you guys both think. You think Europe's going to win as well? No, no, I think the US has the better golf. I mean, Scheffler is the.

[Brady]

Do you really think.

[John Holmberg]

I think Scheffler's so great, and he just doesn't miss two in a row.

[Brady]

Shuffler is one player.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, I know, but that's big. And that's your guy.

[Brady]

Schoffley has not been playing good this year.

[Dale Hellestray]

Just had a baby.

[Brady]

Cantlay. I haven't even seen him.

[John Holmberg]

Patrick Cantlay.

[Brady]

Okay. And then you talk about Russell Henley. All right? He's been a hot golfer, but he's not a world class golfer. Right now he's in the top 10. But this is a strange place for him also.

[John Holmberg]

Where is it this year?

[Dale Hellestray]

In New York.

[John Holmberg]

New York.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay, so my question.

[John Holmberg]

Golf course is evil.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, it can be. Yes.

[Brady]

They have signs very important length.

[John Holmberg]

It is a long 600 something par 5.

[Brady]

Yes. Yes. It's a long wet golf course.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right now they have 580 yard par 4.

[John Holmberg]

That's the one. Yeah, that's right.

[Brady]

What you have though is when you look at the American team, even Sheffield, he's not very long.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

I mean you have DeChambeau, who's Long, who's the longest guy out there. But on the European team you got Rahm. He can bomb it. McElroy, he can bomb it. I don't know if European team doesn't hit it longer than the American team on a team that, on a course that rewards length.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. My question to you, both of you, I want your opinion on this because that's. It's been the time I watched some of the coverage live from the Record. I mean, obviously we're going to find out this afternoon what the, what the pairings are. Yeah. And who's going out tomorrow. Who would you start with? If you are the American team, Would you throw out DeChambeau, hopefully getting the crowd involved and all that, or would you start with Scotty Scheffler and probably Hanley, I think is going to be.

[John Holmberg]

I'd go my lesser notes, I, I can't lay. I'd get him out there first and I would.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because here's why have to play in the morning, though.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I would get somebody out there that's like, if he goes. We're not, we're not like going, oh no, our best guy dropped. Interesting.

[Brady]

You got to, you got to, you got to remind me, are they doing foursomes tomorrow morning?

[Dale Hellestray]

Alternate shots, which is.

[Brady]

All right, foursomes. I would maybe go with Cantley because Cantley is going to be playing with Shoffley and those guys have been playing together forever and I think the, the comfortability with both of them having been through this before, that's going to give them advantage. I really, even though I don't believe in either one of them, I believe their comfort level with each other will be helpful in alternate shot.

[Dale Hellestray]

Scheffler and Henley have played won quite a few points at the President's cup and they're pretty comfortable together too. Henley's. Henley surprised me this year.

[John Holmberg]

I don't think Anybody on either team is, like, at odds. I think it's a pretty good match to keep people together. Yeah, but I prefer putting a guy out there that if he does just crap the bed, you're like, we're good. I don't like bringing. You know, when they used to throw Phil out there first and he ate it, the rest of the guys were like, it's on us. You don't want to put pressure on Cantlay, and you do not want him to be the guy that goes, well, if, you know, Scotty bombed one today. Now my. Now my game means, like you said, you're disappointing the dude you're playing with. Now you're carrying the weight of the best player that's played since Tiger, who had a bad day. And now it's on Cantley. I don't want that. I'd rather have Scotty blow it and surprise us than Cantlay blow it and then we can't get it back.

[Brady]

I think the opposite if you're not expecting anything from Cantlay or Shoffley in my eyes, because they haven't done anything just a year to maintain their comfort level with each other in that type of setting, I would put them out first, hands down. I don't even know who I put out second.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I think it's like pitching, maybe Scheffler. A lot of the times in a game. I don't agree with starting with your ace in some of these early playoff games, because it's like, let me have him if I can. Brandon Fought was a perfect example that with the Diamondbacks a couple years ago, and they're like, yeah, we shouldn't do this. But, you know, we got into this wild card, so we're off rotation, fought, went out there and threw a first game. You're like, oh, it brought the team's level up so much because they didn't have an expectation that he could do it, and he pulled it off. The next day they played even better because they're like, if Brandon got these guys. But if you went out there with, you know, your main dude and he eats it, and now you got to lean on Brandon Fodder. You got to lean on your 4 or 5. I love that about this because this is like a pitch. The coaches matter here.

[Brady]

So what John's saying is, you know, in football, why don't you just start the third stringer? Because if not, complete a pass. We are rocking and rolling.

[John Holmberg]

Individual sports are different than Fats Podcast. It makes tons of sense. In fact, baseball Leaned on that. You're talking about an individual's performance without the help of a team. Football's totally different. No, no, no.

[Brady]

This is a team sport.

[John Holmberg]

It's a team Reliant sport. Is football a team sport is just. We're on the same team. Bowling, you don't put your worst guy out there last. You keep your.

[Dale Hellestray]

You.

[John Holmberg]

You don't bat. Your. Your worst guy, you know, sitting.

[Brady]

That's in the hole. That's the cleanup spot.

[John Holmberg]

You don't put that. You don't put a bad guy there. You put. That's what I'm saying. You. You make my point for me. You're going to come around to me.

[Brady]

Should start.

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[Brady]

They should lead off their 1 1. Their sub.200 hitter.

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[Brady]

Because if he gets a hit. Wow, look at us.

[John Holmberg]

Your best players are not your leadoff hitters, John.

[Dale Hellestray]

What? I honestly believe best hitters are 2 and 3.

[Brady]

Don't check with the Dodgers, who they're leading off.

[John Holmberg]

And look at. They're not going to do anything with it because they're struggling so mightily. They've got a guy who's got 53 home runs and 85 RBIs. Something's wrong with that. He's in the wrong spot.

[Dale Hellestray]

Tell me this, Johnny is. You were talking. I got the distinct feeling that you were talking yourself right out of. No, I wasn't.

[John Holmberg]

I was basically saying he proved my point.

[Dale Hellestray]

Did you not get that?

[John Holmberg]

He proved my point. He said your cleanup hitter is probably the guy you want the most. I want a guy who is going to mash. Clean it up. I don't want him first.

[Dale Hellestray]

My guess is that Cantlay and Schoffley don't play tomorrow morning. Yeah, I don't think they play tomorrow morning. Maybe DeChambeau and Scheffler one of them. And they're.

[John Holmberg]

The shamble.

[Dale Hellestray]

Would be a good. That would be a good go. One, two. Two. One hour that goes. And then from there on, we'll see what happens.

[John Holmberg]

And I'll defer to Dave on that. If Dechambeau. I mean, as far as that course goes, as far as length, if he's your guy, maybe he does lead. That's a good one. I just don't put my heavy hitter out first. I won't do that because I look at the Dodgers. You want to make that analogy? I look at the dodgers. They've wasted 35, 40 runs batted in, putting Shohei at the top of the order.

[Dale Hellestray]

That makes no sense.

[John Holmberg]

Well, it makes sense only because they think Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman are going to clean that up.

[Brady]

Two of the best hitters in baseball. Absolutely. One, two, three.

[John Holmberg]

But I'll tell you right now, put.

[Brady]

Them in any order.

[John Holmberg]

That's what I would do. I would put them in any order. Because my best player I want batting second or third. And Mookie Betsy, I want him leading off.

[Brady]

You know, I'll tell you this. I. I will. I look at it in the way they're doing it. Like if it gets around to the ninth inning and you got. You're getting back to the top of the lineup. I want my best hitters up there.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

I don't think there's a problem with that. Whoever leads off is going to have the best opportunity to get five at bats or even six at bats. Yeah, potentially.

[John Holmberg]

But so will the two.

[Dale Hellestray]

If.

[John Holmberg]

If one gets five, two gets five. So you can flip flop bets and Ohtani and you've got yourself something better. I think it's better.

[Dale Hellestray]

Cause more. More franticness on the basis o. Ohtani.

[Brady]

Ohtani only stole 50 some bags last year.

[John Holmberg]

Dude's a 5050 guy. So, I mean, you know, there's an argument he's only.

[Brady]

He only stole 19 this year so far, but.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, no, there is an argument to be made that he's a leadoff hitter. But I don't like a guy who hits 53 home runs and only gives me 85 RBI. Something.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't like a guy that pitches six innings.

[John Holmberg]

Well, there's that. Back to the golf, though. Don't you think it means more deep down to the Europeans to beat the United States?

[Brady]

Totally.

[John Holmberg]

And so I think that I disagree with you two.

[Dale Hellestray]

After the shellacking that the United. Last Ryder Cup.

[John Holmberg]

There's pride, but it's pride to win. It's not pride to lose to the Europeans. The Europeans lose to us at everything. They feel they're our little brother. They feel and they've been around for thousands of years more. Not now, but just generally in the world. Europe has to bow to us. We sneeze, they get sick. So it means something to them.

[Brady]

I guess this podcast is not gonna.

[John Holmberg]

Go over well in Europe now speak Nash any. But I'm just saying the Europeans have that like, God, it just feels good to beat us for they've got the little extra motivation. The United States will be fine. If we lose, they lose and it's just devastating.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm going to tell you this. I think Keegan Bradley has done something that no other Ryder cup captain has done. He had the Guys play two weeks ago. That's true. A bunch of them played in the same groupings, so they got to hang around. He's done some team building. Because the biggest thing to me is the Europe guys, they all like each other. They hang out after a round, they go have some beers and whatever. In the United States, these guys just jump on their private jet and fly somewhere.

[John Holmberg]

I'll go, usa. You're saying Europe, Dave?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And you're usa.

[Dale Hellestray]

Usa.

[John Holmberg]

And that's just Patriots.

[Brady]

You know what else I bet, which is, I think, very interesting. If you think this is going to be close.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

You can bet it to be a tie. And the tie is plus 1300 for every hundred dollar you put down. At least in the website, I had 1300 back.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Now, in the past here, for the past five, six, seven Ryder Cups, it's been kind of a wipeout. 17, 11, this, that, 18, whatever. But if you really believe this is going to be close, that's a great payoff for a tie. I bet the tie.

[John Holmberg]

And there's both. Both sides.

[Brady]

And the problem is with a tie. Problem with the tie is Europe keeps the Cup.

[John Holmberg]

Is that right?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So there's no playoff.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, no. United States has to. Has to have 14 and a half points.

[John Holmberg]

You go even, and it's a. And it's still there.

[Dale Hellestray]

Whoever had it previous keeps it.

[John Holmberg]

I actually kind of like that. You're big on ties. They love that stuff, all their sports. We kick the living be Jesus out of them to become the United States of America. That's what I have against Europe. Then we went and saved their ass.

[Brady]

All our audience in Europe.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we saved their asses because they just stood with their arms. Well, the tyrant Clankety clanked his way right through.

[Brady]

That's the fantastic, wonderful John Holmberg talk.

[John Holmberg]

That's exactly right. Europe can suck it. That's what I say. And keep your eyes on Germany. They're due for another uprising, those lunatics. Get going. Keep your eyes open. That's all I'm saying.

[Dale Hellestray]

All right.

[John Holmberg]

I'm an American, Dave. I root for the United States.

[Brady]

Usa. Usa.

[Dale Hellestray]

Number one.

[John Holmberg]

Hey, one other thing to keep an.

[Dale Hellestray]

Eye on, the weather. Yeah, that's a big problem. It's supposed to rain all day tomorrow, but it looks like it's moving in today.

[John Holmberg]

That big long course gets sloppy wet.

[Dale Hellestray]

And then tomorrow is supposed to be very, like, 20 chance of rain.

[John Holmberg]

It'll be interesting. It's a fun thing to watch, even if you're not into golf. That is a powerfully Fun sporting event.

[Brady]

You know, you talk about that. I just think, boy, if it's raining and sloppy, there's nothing I dislike more than golfing. In that it's gross, right?

[John Holmberg]

Awful.

[Brady]

More power to them that they can do that. Not even blink.

[John Holmberg]

Your grips get a little wet or your hands can't quite dry.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's one thing if you live in Arizona. About 15 years ago, I had the opportunity to play St. Andrews and I told myself, if it's raining sideways and the gorse is bent over because of the wind, I'm not calling. It's a one time in a lifetime opportunity. But I'm not gonna go walk.

[Brady]

I think actually if I was to be there, I would want it to feel that way.

[Dale Hellestray]

Why?

[Brady]

Because that's the experience. That's it.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're on the old course.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, experiences. Some gray clouds that are fast moving across the sky. Maybe a slight.

[Brady]

Wind. That would be good too.

[John Holmberg]

Perfect.

[Brady]

That would be good too.

[John Holmberg]

Give me a little wind.

[Brady]

I'm not gonna sh. Away from the crappy weather that is supposed to be there in Scotland. Ireland.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not going to Scotland ever. It's a giant mud puddle. No. And everybody's horrendous looking. I've. I have Scottish friends who live here and they're with me on this.

[Brady]

Let's see, we got Germany down south.

[John Holmberg]

They're all. It's all Europe.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're coming out of our audience now.

[John Holmberg]

It's John Holt, Scotland. He'll tell you. It's like. And by the way, the Chinese invented golf. Tell a Scotsman that and watch them lose their minds.

[Brady]

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[Byron]

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[Brady]

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[Byron]

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[John Holmberg]

Well, there you have it.

[Brady]

MMP Guns on the northeast corner of 12th street and Indian School or online at mmpgunscustoms.com I tell them, like what?

[John Holmberg]

Have you ever had Scottish food? You ever been to a good Scottish restaurant? Nope. That's English.

[Dale Hellestray]

Same thing.

[John Holmberg]

No, it's. Oh, now you're see, you're saying I'm offensive. To the Scots, what you just said would cause them to lose. They hate the British. Hate them anyway. Go America. Down with Europe. As I've said for years, let's get to football here. Dale and I talked about it on my wildly successful terrestrial radio show. It's getting hard to. When I say wildly successful, there's options.

[Brady]

You're just so successful. I know.

[John Holmberg]

I agree with what you guys say. So football's back. I'm watching the. I'm watching. We talked about it on the podcast about a week ago. How does Brian. The coaches that are kind of on their hot seat after week one or even going into the season, and Brian Dable in New York was one of them. Especially when you look now at the greatest nickname I've heard in sports in a long time. Daniel Indiana Jones. Saquon Barkley's in Philadelphia. Indiana Jones is playing out of his head in Indianapolis. Will it last? We don't know, but it looks pretty good right now. And he impressed the coaches to say this first round pick we've got here can sit down. We're playing Daniel Jones. Like, this dude's outrageous. This year, Sam Darnold kind of has to be right. I mean, and there's.

[Brady]

Even if he craps his pants going forward, he's already proved in the first three weeks. That's more than they would have ever expected for the whole year.

[John Holmberg]

He's capable if given the right opportunity and. And the right coaches. And here's the other thing, and I'm getting to this. With Brian Dable, it took some time for him to develop into a guy who gets the game. What is he in year five? Maybe Jones?

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, yeah. I think it's four or five.

[John Holmberg]

Five. And there he is. Same with Sam Darnold. Same with these guys who had four or five years. And it's. Is it not better off for coaches like Brian Dabel to save their own jobs by saying, hey, you've given me a roster I can't really win with. I'm going to keep Daniel Jones at that time on the bench. How they messed up. Saquon Barkley is unbelievable. And people knew it with. You saw it in New York. He's good. That line's bad. Fix the line.

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[John Holmberg]

We'll do little things, but it's Saquon's job to figure out, to get around our bad line. So then Brian Dabel is negligent of, you know, saying the roster is the problem and then getting rid of the best players. Doesn't it lend credibility then with that in his head to say, I'm not going to play Jackson Dart. A smarter coach says this guy needs two or three years. I know we drafted him in the first round and everybody's rooting for the Joe Burrow or the, you know, the Daniels. It doesn't happen as often as they want it to. So for Kenny Pickett was an example. In Pittsburgh, you've got too many guys who get picked first thrown to the fire and you've played the game. Troy Aikman got thrown and went 1 in 15 and Lucky didn't get ruined.

[Brady]

I'll tell you this, even about Troy or what I've seen in all my years is the fact that when you bring a quarterback in and play him right away who hasn't played that much in college, then you have a problem. But if he has a lot of experience. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

If he's like six year guy.

[Brady]

Jaden Daniels.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

I think he played 10 years in.

[John Holmberg]

College for a long time.

[Brady]

So all of a sudden, boom, he comes in, he's ready. But the, the other cat, Anthony Richards.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

He played one year in Florida and.

[John Holmberg]

They looked at his body and they said he's an athletic machine, he'll develop, it doesn't matter.

[Brady]

No.

[Dale Hellestray]

We can talk about a lot of ancillary stuff. Yeah. I think it boils down to from 1990 with Troy Aikman to 2025 with Jaden Daniels or with. Or with the quarterback in Minnesota now. Just forgot his name.

[John Holmberg]

J.J. mcCarthy.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, the.

[Brady]

Carson.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm sorry.

[John Holmberg]

Carson Appley. Daniel Jones.

[Brady]

Indiana Jones.

[Dale Hellestray]

Indiana Jones. Jones.

[John Holmberg]

It's a great name.

[Dale Hellestray]

Coaching is so important. You see Sam Darnold in New York with the jets with a bunch of idiots and he's literally saying, I see ghosts.

[John Holmberg]

The preparation was horrible.

[Dale Hellestray]

I see ghosts. And he goes to Minnesota and I know they're a better team. Yeah. But he leads them to 14 victories. You see Daniel Jones in New York, floundering, can't play quarterback, can't throw a forward pass. Now he's in Indianapolis and coaching is so important. I will tell you this real quick about Troy. If Jimmy stayed with one of the Shula's, I think it was Mike Shula was our offensive coordinator. Most complex, ridiculous offense I've ever been around. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm also not the dumbest player on a football team. I didn't understand it. Even the snap count was hard. And if he didn't make a change and bring it. If Nora Turner doesn't come to Dallas, I don't think you see the Troy Aikman that we know about today, but.

[John Holmberg]

You did see Daniel Jones, year one, take that team to the playoffs. Dable got all the credit as the quarterback whisperer with Josh Allen, but I.

[Dale Hellestray]

Think they lost their offensive coordinator.

[John Holmberg]

They did, but I mean, it was Dable that got the credit for Josh Allen developing. So he got the job because of his time in Buffalo. And watching Josh Allen go from this guy who just threw, you know, rockets at people five yards from him to a dude who had touched, feel, understood the game, but it took three, four years before that. So I'm. I'm wondering now that Brian Dables lived that. And then you see him say, well, I've still got a bad team, probably worse than I had when I first got here and ruined Daniel Jones. And I'm going to throw Jackson Dart behind this bad line and this bad team because I'm saving myself. At what point does he not realize, I can't do this Jackson, I'm ruining a guy's career for my own, you know, security.

[Dale Hellestray]

And that's got to come from above him.

[John Holmberg]

Has to, right?

[Dale Hellestray]

It has to come from above. Because again, what he's thinking is that if Jackson Dark can go out and win four or five games, three or four games, then you know what I can sell?

[John Holmberg]

No way.

[Dale Hellestray]

We have. We have a future with this guy. If I keep Russell Wilson in there and we win five or six games, one game, we score 40, the next week, throws five interceptions, they're probably going to fire me.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that tells me too though, that you're. I think you're absolutely right. I think it came from above him, which means he is a lame duck anyway. And no matter what Jackson Dark does is not gonna help him because he probably fought back and said, I don't know what you guys are. He might have been the guy. Let's just say hypothetically, he went into that office and said, he's not ready.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

We cannot put this kid behind this line right now. He's not ready. We're not ready. And then makes the announcement that for the rest of the season, instead of just saying we're making a change, puts it in cement. No matter what happens, I don't have a leash on this kid. I can't pull him.

[Brady]

I'll just go back to the point that Jackson Dart played four years in college. Now, he only played half of the season his first freshman year, but he got six games in as a freshman and he played 13 games as a sophomore. Junior, senior. Yeah, that's a Lot of. That's a lot of play. He has played, he has seen, he has done. I'm trusting he's ready.

[John Holmberg]

But it's a bad team. It doesn't matter.

[Brady]

You know what else was a bad team going in in that last year? The Washington commanders.

[John Holmberg]

I'm going to say Washington Reds, they were a player or two away. It's the. Might have. They weren't too. Yes, they were in a terribly tough division.

[Brady]

They weren't that bad.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, you look at that defense. And they always held up until they couldn't because they have a quarterback.

[Brady]

They got three players on their defense.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I'm not going to rattle off their defense, but I'm saying, you look.

[Brady]

I don't know anyone on their defense. And they don't have any playmakers other than maybe Terry McLaurin. And Terry McLaurin wasn't Terry McLaurin until Jaden Daniels got there.

[John Holmberg]

Because you've got to get quarterback, right? That def was statistically near the top seven, eight till the end of the season. When again, we talked about this earlier. Time of possession becomes a problem for a defense. And the next thing you know, December, they can't get anything done. They fall, they become nothing. That team was not far off with what they had.

[Dale Hellestray]

And.

[John Holmberg]

And then they traded off guys, too. I mean, it's what sweat. And they had players that you're like, yeah, let's start moving these dudes. Because we're not sure when you get quarterback. Right. Your defense gets better.

[Brady]

So Hamburg, I really like what the Giants have on defense.

[John Holmberg]

I do, too.

[Brady]

So, okay, maybe give Dart a chance to actually move this offense and the defense stiffen up and they got a whole different team.

[John Holmberg]

Let's go the opposite way. Okay, let's say Dart. Doesn't he go. What I'm seeing in Minnesota with JJ McCarthy is a team that was like, man, he's great in practice, but he's not good on the field yet. And you're wrecking him.

[Brady]

Another case. How many years did J.J. mcArthur start in Michigan?

[John Holmberg]

But you're talking from somebody's perspective that only sees Sunday. The coaches are watching camp Monday through Friday, they're seeing this guy and they're like. And they did not come out of that camp timid about him. Everybody's like, this is because it's the next. He's the second coming of Tom Brady. Players don't do that.

[Dale Hellestray]

And that's what I want to point out. When. When, when you said it, you said it. And it's the truth. We don't get to watch practices. No, I, I locally here. I promise you, Marvin Harrison doesn't just drop footballs in games. Right. He's dropping them in practice. We don't get to see it. And so when you, when the coaches make a decision on a guy, it's the whole body of work. It's not just Sundays. It's. It's Monday through Sunday. And obviously Sunday holds the most weight.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

But they also know, does this guy have a chance or does he not? But the thing about New York is you're talking about a coach. You're right. He's, he's fighting for his job.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And he's, he's put at my feeling about Jackson Dart is, yeah, maybe he's ready. Maybe during the week they're seeing that. But is it worth the risk? Because he is their future. They traded up to the first round to get him. Is it worth the risk to say on this team, does it matter if Jack get him some reps later? But you just had Russell Wilson go for 460 yards a couple weeks ago against. Then he had it again. It's against a bad defense, but he did what he's supposed to do. You're not a gangbusters team. So if you can beat the bad teams, you start building how to do that. And like, okay, we beat some bad teams out here. Now let's go on. We're going to get our asses kicked by a couple of good teams and we're going to drop a couple. But we might surprise a team or two with consistency and teaching these younger players. Malik Neighbors, I don't know who's calling the plays in New York, but that game against the Chiefs, Malik Neighbors ran nothing but go routes all night long. Got one target and all they're doing is like, Russell, if you see it, throw it as high as you can.

[Dale Hellestray]

But see, the thing is with New York, you also don't you kind of look at it like, okay, so we put Jackson Darton. We got a running back here who is super intriguing.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Super intriguing. And by the way, if he continues to do what he's doing, he's going to be the toast. I'm not only New York, Cam Scatter. Boom. The way he runs well, and I told you last year we thought I was skeptical about the way he runs a football because that works against UTEP and Arizona. It doesn't work against the Steelers and Cleveland. So we'll see how that works. And then you got the young receiver. You can see the makings of, hey, in another year or two we get the offensive line, right? Yeah. You have a chance.

[John Holmberg]

Just work that, work that Monday through Friday. Then as a coach, get that kid replacement.

[Dale Hellestray]

Is experience more important now? Again, if he goes out there and is getting hit 12 times a game doesn't matter and things like that, then the experience, you can go one of two ways. Troy got the living snot knocked out of him his rookie year. He was strong enough mentally to overcome it.

[John Holmberg]

Not many do.

[Dale Hellestray]

Not many do. Most of those careers ruined. Yep.

[John Holmberg]

I totally agree. And I don't know why the NFL is so hell bent on getting these guys in games. Because you've watched. We can all point to the Joe Burrows, to the Jaden Daniels. You say, oh, this works. It doesn't. Patrick Mahomes sat on the sidelines behind Alex Smith, who was good, by the way.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And Andy Reid's like, I'm not starting a rookie. I'm not doing this. You watch for a year. And he was clearly going to be ready. Even when he played in spot times and he had that last start in his rookie year, you saw something special. You know, Andy Reid saw that during practice. You know it and could have taken, taken that team maybe a little further than Alex Smith took him to the second round of the playoffs. I think to the championship game. One year they, they were almost there. But Andy Reid had the patience and wisdom to say, I'm not doing this.

[Dale Hellestray]

And what was the other thing that you didn't say that probably was the most important and job security. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And yes, exactly. And he wasn't going to have to worry about next year if this kid crapped it. Getting into coaching a little bit, watching the Lions play is one of the most enjoyable things you can do with your NFL time. And the Lions last week with that game against the Ravens brought me so much happiness. You have no clue the joy I got when big dump Derrick Henry fumbled that ball. And Lamar with whatever's going on on his sideshow, Lamar was on the sidelines crying a little bit and I was so happy. But what I really. Because I got into this discussion with a friend of mine about my Steelers and he's always on about Mike Tomlin has to go. And I'm like, who do you put in his place? Coaches are too important. This coach too important. We need a guy like Dan Campbell. And I'm like, all right. If that fourth and two call, that was at the end of the game. If you watch the game 4th and 2 and they've got the ball about midfield, the Ravens are down eight and Dan Campbell and his offensive coordinator after the timeout say we're going for it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

We're going to give. We're going to risk giving Lamar Jackson and that offense another chance. A redemption drive at home from 48 yards away. And they call a go route, a go route or a circle or whatever that and Marlon Humphrey, or was it Humphrey or Hamilton? I remember, grabbed the Amon Ross St. Brown grabbed him like you're not supposed to do this.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And it was lucky. And he throws a perfect ball. If he misses that throw, we're almost talking about Dan Campbell being a moron. Like the. The media will attack. Not Detroit fans, not Detroit media. But the, the media will go, he's gone too far. And you had this game wrapped up. Just punt the ball.

[Dale Hellestray]

But I'm gonna tell you, he went through that last year.

[John Holmberg]

I know.

[Dale Hellestray]

And guess what? He doesn't give a bleep.

[John Holmberg]

But Brandon Staley did it too. And the Chargers lost every time he did it right. And they were in every game he did that.

[Dale Hellestray]

So know what? Your personnel is correct. And are you strong enough now? Again, I don't like the play call. Horrible play call. The play call is one of those that again, if it falls incomplete and the race got the ball, 50 yard line, 2 minutes left or whatever it is, it's tied up, then you are more.

[Brady]

But guess what?

[Dale Hellestray]

He can live with that.

[John Holmberg]

Not if he keeps doing it.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, but he does keep doing it.

[Brady]

I love it.

[John Holmberg]

Of course you do it.

[Dale Hellestray]

It worked.

[Brady]

Even if it doesn't work, I want my team to play to win. And when you start punting the ball.

[John Holmberg]

That'S playing to win.

[Brady]

No, because. Because in this, in NFL today, it's an offensive game.

[John Holmberg]

Sure.

[Brady]

Generally a team, a well, a well talented team.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't want to say that.

[Brady]

I just made it up. A well talented team can be able to go down and score in less than a minute.

[John Holmberg]

So give the Ravens, give the Ravens the ball in the 48.

[Brady]

Then listen, whether you give it to them on the 48 or they're 28, it's what's a 30 yards difference? That's one or two plays.

[John Holmberg]

Boom, done seven times.

[Brady]

Listen, the play call is what I'm talking about. He has no chance to win.

[John Holmberg]

I have no problem with going.

[Brady]

No chance to win.

[John Holmberg]

No problem going.

[Brady]

I want my team playing to win. And I feel my team has a better opportunity to make it on 4th and 1 or 4th and 2 or 4th 3 or whatever that is. Then Punting the ball to a team that can score at will with Lamar Jackson and and. And stop them.

[John Holmberg]

That's the most counterintuitive argument you could ever make.

[Brady]

That is the correct. And sit down.

[John Holmberg]

I will. The gutty way to play is going on fourth down and missing is the razor's edge of what a good and bad stop.

[Brady]

Anyways. 30 extra yards. What are you going to get out of a punt? Who cares. Listen. There was. There was so this and there. And how much time was on the clock?

[John Holmberg]

Two minutes. Under two minutes.

[Brady]

I don't care if they kicked it down to the 12 minutes. Ravens can come down and score like that.

[John Holmberg]

No point in defense when you are.

[Brady]

Talking about a last second drive. A two minute drive. You got four downs to make a first down in the NFL today. That's almost unstoppable when you're facing a good offense.

[John Holmberg]

But why in the world risk that throw. Then your. Then your point becomes its opposite because you just gave the ball to a team on the 48 like well they were going to score no matter what we did.

[Brady]

If that's.

[John Holmberg]

That's terrible. That's not playing to win.

[Brady]

They have. He has been more right than wrong in regards to fourth down place.

[John Holmberg]

He's more right than wrong.

[Brady]

And and if you remember that correctly and I hate calling defensive holding but I guess Humphreys did.

[John Holmberg]

But he didn't see it. That was the call. And I would give it to you had that been a Golf sees that. You're risking that blitz. You're risking a tipped ball. You're risking.

[Brady]

It's fourth and one. It's a. He's not sitting back there seven seconds and throwing.

[John Holmberg]

He did. There was a deep throw. It was a. It was a zero blitz. They brought everybody. He threw it 18 yards. That was a risk. No one shot.

[Brady]

That was just a little tough. He got rid of that probably well less than two and a half.

[John Holmberg]

You had seven guys coming in for sure.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't mind the going for it because that's what that. That's him. His team expects it. The fans. But the call is what I went when when I saw golf take a drop. Yeah. Not snap to him and balls out of my hand.

[John Holmberg]

He dipped back two steps. I'm like oh what. And keep in mind earlier in the game one of their fourth down calls was a double pitch. Those again. Todd Haley was the core the coordinator for the Steelers and we that offense in 18 was unreal. Went into the Jacksonville game had a 4th and 2 to pretty much guarantee we're going to walk away with at least a score on this. And they called a pitch out and Le'Veon Bell got the ball six yards behind the line of scrimmage and some dude broke free of his block and it was over. And the coaches looked stupid and Todd Haley should have been fired and had that worked, oh, what a gutsy call. Nobody, nobody in media, no fans are forgiving like you say you would be. And that failed.

[Brady]

I am very sure if the media is against the it, that was the.

[John Holmberg]

Right thing to do. All right, it's.

[Brady]

I'm. I'm sure.

[John Holmberg]

What about the fans?

[Brady]

Listen.

[John Holmberg]

And plus, if Harbaugh does it and it's reversed, like, ah, what an idiot.

[Brady]

If you're a smart fan, you realize, I want my team to play to win. Of course not be afraid to lose. That's a mindset.

[John Holmberg]

You think punting is fear?

[Brady]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

It is not. Yes, I do. Playing the strategy of your defense has been kicking ass, and you go out there and put them on the field and say, I trust you. You've been sacking this guy all day. Go get the ball back. That's playing to win.

[Dale Hellestray]

What I'm saying about that, because we talked about it on my wildly successful other podcast with Steve McCollum, is the fact that analytics has reared its ugly head into all sports now. Very true. And at the end of the day, the analytics doesn't say. It might say go for a four down, but it doesn't say. We've sacked him six times, pressured him at least five other times, and forced to fumble. The last time that you guys had.

[John Holmberg]

The ball, keep in mind, you had a fumble that Lamar got back on one of the sacks. I mean, this defense was all over them. And I look at it, and again, the argument goes back with fans who are like, it's coaches that put their players in the right position. I'm like, half of that was just B.S. chuck it up and hope Amon Ra is there. And I'm telling you, man, that call goes the other way. There's no. And Dan Campbell may get a little grace for it because he's hit on it so often.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

But you lose that Ravens game that way.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Oh, he's gonna come on fire.

[John Holmberg]

You deserve it.

[Dale Hellestray]

But he's. But he's also not going to lose his job.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, I'm not worried about that. I'm saying you start looking at him different. I mean, the way fans are fickle and they blame coaches when they should blame players, and they say, oh, this Guy's in the wrong place or the coaches should have these guys coached up. It's, it's. Sometimes execution is all it takes. And it's up to the guys on the field, the coaches. Nothing's so different in football that the other team isn't like, wow, they just reinvented that play.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's, it's just the only team you say that about is every once in a while you see Kansas City pull out like the twirly bird breaking the hot. You don't know what they're doing and.

[John Holmberg]

It gets in your head a little as a defense, like, but what are they doing?

[Brady]

I just want to call you out because I haven't, I haven't been listening to you guys for the past few minutes. I did chime in, but I probably didn't even know what I was talking about.

[John Holmberg]

We know you didn't.

[Brady]

We urge you. So you talked about when, before Jaden Daniels.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Washington commanders, Redskins defense, Capitals there. I'm. I'm looking at a stat for 2023.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[Brady]

Their defense was ranked 32nd.

[John Holmberg]

I said that. I said that.

[Brady]

You said they were. They were okay. Middle of the ground. 37 teams in the league.

[John Holmberg]

This is why your wife says what she says. You don't listen. I said in the first half of the season, they're in the top seven with time of possession. You don't have quarterback. Right. You start slipping. Now, I don't know if it was 2023 when they had injuries like crazy also, but you had the players that were going and this defense was a player or two away. If you listen Nash from being okay. I didn't say they were world beaters. I said that they would show up.

[Brady]

32Nd ranked defense. The player they're missing is Jesus Christ himself. Stopping everyone.

[John Holmberg]

They. Earlier in the year and I don't know if 2023 was one, but 2022 or whenever you're looking, you're like, hey, they put together a decent thing here. Here they were higher up. And then at the end of the year they fell apart.

[Brady]

Why?

[John Holmberg]

They didn't have quarterback figured out. Time of possession was horrible.

[Brady]

They were 4 and 11 with the worst defense and the 25th ranked offense.

[John Holmberg]

Yes, they were a bad football team. I did not say they were going to the Super Bowl. I said they were a player or two away. You looked at that roster like they're not so far off. Get quarterback right? So what happened, Dave? They got quarterback right in that 32nd.

[Brady]

Giants get their quarterbacks. You think they're. You don't think they're a player in two away. I mean they got Malik Neighbors out, they've got. They've got a great defensive line. So until you maybe the player of the way. The player that they are away is.

[John Holmberg]

No the quarterback right now, they're not going anywhere. So why risk Jackson Dart's future?

[Brady]

Yeah, well, you know, you're right. We should just sit here for about 10, 15 years. Wait till he's about 30, 35, so if he gets hurt, it's no big deal.

[John Holmberg]

Why do you have to be an idiot? Why does it have to be either just a year or suddenly it's a quarter of a century that we have to. I'm saying why Weeks?

[Brady]

I don't know. Yeah, you're right. I didn't know why they didn't start it from the beginning of the year.

[John Holmberg]

I agree. If you're going to do it, do it then.

[Brady]

All right, so D should be gone.

[John Holmberg]

Totally agree. That was my initial part. If he listened, he'd know.

[Dale Hellestray]

By the way, he doesn't even know what he's reading over here.

[John Holmberg]

No, he is glass.

[Brady]

This might be the wrong numbers.

[John Holmberg]

I have no idea. He just found something he thought would work. And by the way, you do all the research you want over there. Well, at least one of us should. No, I did my research and I said they dropped to the bottom. They were a good defense that fell apart. Why? They didn't get quarterback right. And then I ended the whole thing with you get quarterback right. Your defense gets better.

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[John Holmberg]

So why risk your quarterback again when Brian Dabel already did that with Daniel Jones?

[Brady]

Are we talking about the Ryder Cup?

[John Holmberg]

Unbelievable. And I look at that. I look at a lot of that stuff. Yeah, it's arguable, but man, it's risky. And this is coach's jobs we're talking about. Already lost his job.

[Brady]

You would think because he's already lost.

[Dale Hellestray]

His job when we spent too much time talking about that. I want to bring this closer home.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestray]

What do you do if you're the Cardinals? What do you do with Marvin Harrison? What do you do with a guy who's your. The fourth pick in the draft, who stops running routes, whose body language he seems disinterested. Yeah. To high heaven. And everything in my mind as I'm watching that game on Sunday was capsulated in that one play. Kyler Murray threw through a go route. Marvin Harrison, the play wasn't initially supposed to go to him. So he stopped running. Yeah. And he sat there and looked, and he. He didn't give a damn one way or the other.

[John Holmberg]

I. I'm a big fan of the idea. Dave, you might agree with me on this. I'm a big fan of the idea of when a team isn't going to go there. Everybody knows it. Trade names while they're still names I don't like. Like, I like.

[Brady]

He's going to be great for a.

[John Holmberg]

Second team, maybe, but you'll get something in return.

[Dale Hellestray]

You.

[John Holmberg]

You got to quit looking like receivers, especially, are not something. You're like, oh, if we lose him, we'll never replace him. You can replace receivers in drafts and you can do it in three rounds. Like, you can get. You can get a guy. There's a lot of good receivers. But I'm. You don't take Marvin Harrison and say, oh, how do we. You're losing what you hope you have. He's shown you very little consistency.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's now a year. It's now a year and three games.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You're into something now where you're like, this is a. The one consistency I'm seeing is he's aloof.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

The one consistency I'm seeing with a coach that doesn't allow it. He takes plays off.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

The Steelers got rid of George Pickens because he was that too.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And I see it with Dallas. Well, I watched him run a route with Dallas. It was a run play. He was not interested. It was going away from him.

[Dale Hellestray]

He loafed through.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, he could. And then what did the cornerback that had him do? Jetted to the other side. He. George could have made himself useful. That's. It's not a play for me. I'm not playing. Marvin does a lot of that now when he plays. Then you see, like, holy cow, this guy.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, you See a glimpse, but yet then the easy things. Yeah, I'm sorry. 20 year, 20 yards downfield, and there's nobody in the picture.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. No, you got it. And you said earlier, like, you know, he's dropping passes during the week. I go back to what Trent Dilfer said years ago when he said there was something about me where coaches saw me during the week and said, if that just goes onto the field on Sunday, this guy's great.

[Brady]

Too bad it didn't.

[John Holmberg]

And even Trent Dilfer said, something happened to me on Sundays between the lines, I was a different guy. I was a practice God. I was a tape God. I was. During the week, there was no way anybody was going to take that job for me. But on Sundays, I'd hesitate.

[Dale Hellestray]

He said that?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I watched him on an espn.

[Dale Hellestray]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

Not the whole time, but he said, a lot of the times I'd hesitate, I'd have moments. But during the week, I had it all.

[Dale Hellestray]

That's fascinating.

[John Holmberg]

Half second that between the lines on Sundays, I wasn't always 100% comfortable.

[Dale Hellestray]

I just can't imagine that that's Marvin Harrison's thing. I think that he's doing the same thing in practice.

[John Holmberg]

I would have said. I would assume that. But wouldn't that become something where Jonathan Gannon or somebody comes out and says, we got a problem with the drops. You don't name a guy. Everybody knows who it is. But if it's going on during the week and during. During Sunday, you'd eventually have to have the coach say, we got a real problem with drops, and we're going to address it.

[Dale Hellestray]

We got a problem with drops and.

[John Holmberg]

With guys running around, and it's happening in practice. We're seeing this. It's manifesting what we do in practice now, on the field, or he's comfortable during practice. He's a God out there. One arm and things. And his drops don't count as much when he's kind of making it special. Odell Beckham had that same thing. He was more interested in the magic catch than the basic catch, but I give him that. He played 100%.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And he banged out a knee. Blew him up. But, yeah, I agree with you. And I look at that, you know, that Cardinal team, and I see Marvin Harrison and I'm like, he's still a name. He's not working here. Something's going on. You can get rid of him. And if he. If that's who he is, he'll always be that.

[Brady]

Too bad. The Cowboys don't need another receiver they'd take him. You know what you would think, right?

[John Holmberg]

My Steelers would take them.

[Brady]

Okay, let's fleece them.

[John Holmberg]

I bet you. And I would see it, as a fan, I'd be like, ah. Because I'm close to the Marvin Harrison. All Steeler fans would be like, oh, my God, we got Marvin Harrison.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

But you got Marvin Harrison Jr. Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

People hear Marvin Harrison, like, this is great, right? As a marquee receiver, you got Marvin Harrison Jr. And you.

[Dale Hellestray]

And that's the other thing that. That really sticks to my cross, the fact that the dad, hall of Famer. We can argue whether he should be a Hall of Famer or not, but he is, all of him. Yeah. Work ethic, played whatever, 15 years in this league, and that doesn't seem to have been imparted to his son, which blows my mind. When you look at it. It's one thing If Marvin Harrison Jr. Decides, you know, I can play the flute. Yeah, okay, well, I don't know anything about the flute. You. You do what you're gonna do. But. But you're a wide receiver.

[John Holmberg]

How many juniors have played in sports and they're not their dad? You look at boxing with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. And Julio Cesar Chavez is the greatest Mexican fighter that's ever walked on the planet. You go to Mexico, they put paintings of him everywhere. They spend all their time thinking about that guy. His kid went up there and like, oh, my God, he's got the genes, he's got the pedigree, he's got this. And he didn't care. He grew up rich. The difference was Julio Cesar Chavez grew up on dirt streets, and his son grew up in the lap of luxury. And you wanted him to be as tough mentally.

[Dale Hellestray]

But what I'm going to counter that with is Marvin Harrison showed stuff in college.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, he's great, but he's an incredible athlete. But it's a matter of, do I care? Do I have that street tough grow up, I need this, or do I? If this doesn't work out deep in his head, he's probably not saying that, but he knows I'm fine.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, you know, say that. And we have a gambling guy on our. My podcast, the main event with Steve, and he talks about that, especially in the fighting game.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my God.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, when you got Connor McGregor, who's fighting his way up the ladder, he's mean, nasty. Now all of a sudden, he. He makes it and he's wearing silk pajamas and he's flying on. On private jets. And, you know, what do I really want to work that hard. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

If you don't come up the same way. Joe Frazier had his son, Marvis Frazier, and stuck him in a ring with Larry Holmes, I think in that. Was it Mike Tyson? It was Mike Tyson. That's right. Because the other one was. There was another one that Larry Holmes had to beat up somebody's legendary son. And they stick them in there and they stand in the. In the corner, and you're like, you're not your dad. No, there's none of that, because these kids grew up differently, and they don't have that mental toughness. And I wonder if Marvin Harrison Jr. Was not. I don't know how Marvin Harrison grew up, but evidently there was a fight and a strive to be that guy. And Marvin Harrison was. Junior was always that guy in high school, same name.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're not Marvin Harrison Sr. Yeah, I guess is. You never heard anything about work ethic problems or attitude problems?

[John Holmberg]

Well, he did have that murder. You know about that? No. The gun that was used in a murder, they found in his car at a car wash. And they asked him, like, whose gun is this? He goes, it's mine. He goes, is anyone else shot it? No, I'm the only one who shot it. Said it was used in a murder. I'm the only one who shot it. And somewhere or another Marvin Harrison.

[Dale Hellestray]

I was not. Where was I?

[John Holmberg]

And they said they gave him a chance. You read about this, you're like, how is Marvin Harrison not in jail, really? He doubled down. Goes, no, no, no, no. Absolutely no one shot this gun but me. And they're like, we have the forensics. It killed someone. He goes, I'm the only one who's ever shot it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

And we're like, are you saying what we think you're saying?

[Brady]

During that time, Dale was at the White House with the rest of the crowd, boys.

[John Holmberg]

That's a good point.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. The closer, and he didn't even go, hey, you know what? Now that you think about it, it might have been out of my sight for a couple days.

[John Holmberg]

It's a massive weird story, the Marvin Harrison show, because it just kind away. And I don't know if it got covered or if there was such a rarity in NFL. Yeah, it really is. As my.

[Brady]

My eyes roll back.

[John Holmberg]

Anyway, it's interesting that way. The Cardinals are an interesting story all the way around, because Marvin Harrison is somebody. You're like, you want to hang on to the talent, but at a certain point, you're like, we're not there. Do we get Three for one here and go get another receiver that wants to play here, that wants to. To be the man.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, what's going to happen to them as we're doing this on a Thursday? Thursday they play Seattle tonight. They, they lost their, their heart and soul. Even though it's not having a great season. But with the running back, that dude.

[John Holmberg]

Is a locker room gem.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. And he just inspired. It's kind of like Cam Scatter. Boo. Yeah. For the Cardinals. He just inspires the entire team. You got a quarterback who's underachieving a little bit and now you got banged up guys. Your second receivers out. You missing a couple offensive linemen for a season. Goes back to. What did I say? Johnny?

[John Holmberg]

Can't have nice things.

[Dale Hellestray]

Can't have nice things in the Valley, can we?

[John Holmberg]

No. It doesn't look like we're going to do.

[Dale Hellestray]

Dimebags are going to miss out by one game. There's be something stupid maybe like last night and we're going to. You're going to look back and you're going to remember that. Hello. Stray is a freaking genius. Been around here since 1962. And he says Valley can't have nice.

[John Holmberg]

I have been quoting Dale on that phrase about Valley sports since he said it. It hit me, I'm like, oh my God, you're 100%. We were talking about the Suns when you said it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

They just can't have nice things. And you're 100% right. The Suns get close. They've teased probably the worst.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, this is through the early 2000s, non stop.

[John Holmberg]

Come on. Winning his franchise. That guy like nothing can come on. Yeah. And then you look at and talk about the Suns. Here's another thing about coach. They just hired Steve Nash in some sort of executive role. Don't you think that's more of like a. We hired a 14 year old to coach the team. If this doesn't work out. Steve, you ready? Like this. This has to loom over that brand.

[Dale Hellestray]

New coach because I saw his name Ott or I forgot that's who they hired. Yeah. And I heard where'd you get him out at kindergarten. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And then you see him and you're like, oh no, but he's young. But it's. And he's a first time coach. Is Steve Nash been brought in now that Kevin Durant's gone? Because Kevin Durant ran him out of Brooklyn. Yeah. Now that he's gone it's like, hey, you're a great name here. If this goes sideways with this new whatever the hell we're doing right. We want to plug you in, but what is sideways?

[Dale Hellestray]

What are you expecting? From what?

[John Holmberg]

That team.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you expecting 30 wins?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, I just wonder. What sideways?

[John Holmberg]

I think it's just different. Basketball's right around the corner. The Suns are the first thing on my mind. I'm looking, but Dale's right. Can't have nice things. Can't have nice things. Damn it. All right, last thing before we get into Dave's nuttiness. Micah Parsons back in Dallas.

[Dale Hellestray]

Four sacks.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding. You think he steps it up?

[Dale Hellestray]

Four sacks? I bet you he has a cost fumble.

[John Holmberg]

Or does the Dallas Cowboy team have anything in their hearts for Jerry Jones that would make them step up and go, we have to.

[Dale Hellestray]

You don't give a damn.

[John Holmberg]

You don't care.

[Dale Hellestray]

He made that decision.

[John Holmberg]

I know, but I mean, to protect him, to say we're a team.

[Dale Hellestray]

I mean, you're gonna. I promise you, as an offensive lineman, and you do not want him to come back and wreck your game.

[Brady]

So. Because. Because I'm a gambler that you perked me up. And he thought, you're right. Parson's going to be on. On Razor's Edge trying to play that.

[John Holmberg]

Game, try to kill them.

[Brady]

So think about it. In people in the Packer locker room, are guys going to rally around him and say, we're going to show Dallas.

[Dale Hellestray]

I think. I think the packers are going to come out and they're going to beat the Cowboys by 17 points.

[John Holmberg]

I think they're just a better team.

[Dale Hellestray]

They're a better team. But then you add, you have something to play for. It's not just Sunday.

[John Holmberg]

Doesn't Dallas have something to play for? To say we're more than just one guy?

[Dale Hellestray]

Nah.

[John Holmberg]

Wouldn't you? I know when Dave left the podcast, we were fine, but we didn't feel like, you know, like. I mean, if I left, it would be like, can you. Can you keep going? And then I come back to be a guest and you're like, you know what? We got to show them we can do this without him. Don't you want to have that pride?

[Brady]

They probably would have done that. That in any of the first three games. Sure. They either lost or should have lost.

[John Holmberg]

Sure.

[Brady]

But they should be owing now.

[John Holmberg]

The mirror's in their face. Look, I get it.

[Brady]

They slept through the first three games.

[John Holmberg]

Without thinking about it 100%. I think they played the Eagles down. As close as you're going to play the Eagles, that was a really good game. They played out of their heads. That game, the Bears game, was a. What the heck is this? And that Giants game, the defense was just all over the map. I don't know what the Cowboys are, but this even.

[Brady]

I'll tell you, they're a fraud.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, they're. I don't even think they're a fraud. I think they're exactly what you said, but especially now that they've had these two meltdowns on defense. They have to have. This will prove whether they have personal pride, whether Schottenheimer can motivate, whether anything on that team says, hey, guys, are we, Are we just the Micah Parsons show and now that he's gone, we're worthless. Because that's what you're showing me.

[Brady]

If you're putting your eggs in your basket of Schottenheimer making the team play harder.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's the thing. There is a motivation factor. The coach has to look at him and have moment where he has the line that says, guys, you're either Micah Parsons, you know, backup, you're the Pips, or you guys have an identity, your own. And this guy's going to come in here and run rough shot over us. You don't have anything to say about that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Here's the thing that I want you to watch for is the game Sunday night. I think it's. Cowboys always play national.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Yeah. Of course, the highest ratings still think you're on the team.

[John Holmberg]

Five star matchup. Because we're in it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay. Yes. And. But you watch. I think he's number one now in Green Bay. Yeah. Number 11. Yeah.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Watch how many guys he lines up over always. And I promise you, he knows at least two of those dudes that are scared senseless completely. And you're breaking the huddle and you're going, please don't line up over me. Please don't line up over me.

[John Holmberg]

And I don't know, I think there's a couple of guys on that line if they've got any prior, like, come on at me.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's one thing to have pride. It's another thing to not be good enough to block him.

[John Holmberg]

Come get me.

[Dale Hellestray]

And then you get.

[John Holmberg]

And then you get burned. And you're like, I don't want to see that guy ever again. Or you lay him out once. You're like, see, you're in my, you're in my house.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm blocking. No problem. It's, it's, it's, it's the fastball.

[John Holmberg]

We'll see. It's going to be interesting. I do Think the Packers will win that thing? I just. I'm curious about if the. If the Cowboys.

[Dale Hellestray]

You just lost to Cleveland.

[John Holmberg]

I know. And that's a good defense, man. Defense different.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Oh, the NFL's crazy and people think they're gonna make money.

[John Holmberg]

Speaking of crazy people, that's the end of the Holmberg sports podcast.

[Dale Hellestray]

By the way, he's giving your. Your other co host, Brady some gambling advice. I've been gambling for 40 years. Hey, Dave, How'd you do last week? I went over terrible.

[Brady]

No doubt about it.

[Dale Hellestray]

I paid for that thing.

[John Holmberg]

You're gambling with Brady with. Don't. Don't answer his questions. Give me a moment with that. It is the. The sports thing once again, otherwise known as Homberg Sports Podcast with permanent guest Dale Hellestra and the rest. For Dale Hell, three time world champion. For me, John Holmberg, host of the wildly successful media empire known as the Holmberg franchise. We turn it over now to a madman with a bullhorn. His name is Dave Nash. And that's all yours, my friend.

[Brady]

Is anything.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, you're supposed to come prepared.

[Brady]

Oh, well, there's just so many things going on. But I'll narrow it down to the conversation Trump had with the world in regards to go to vaccines. We said this before. I. I'm touching on it again. But vaccines are dangerous.

[John Holmberg]

Nothing that goes in your body is good for you, according to you.

[Brady]

Well, you know what? Mercury and aluminum and other DNA from other structures. Yeah, those aren't good.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Brady]

Those aren't good. And some of them are designed to be bad for you. And they're. In all of that, we are given an immune system at birth that is pretty robust and good. Let's not screw with that. I'll go again and say I have not heard of an Amish person ever having autism. Someone said, oh, there might be one or two, but never heard of it. They don't get vaccines. They don't get vaccines. And. And these vaccines cause so much damage to us internally, it's just crazy. And for us not to question it or for us not even to welcome the question, hey, what's behind this? It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

[John Holmberg]

I don't disagree with that at all. I think the idea that I said this to somebody who said the Tylenol thing and that you see the ladies on TikTok who are pregnant and eating Tylenol, I'm like, you're insane. What if, just off chance, what if he's right?

[Dale Hellestray]

Right?

[Brady]

What if, again, I don't know about the Tylenol thing. I don't know about cetaminophen, I haven't looked at. I've looked into the vaccines.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And if you would not vaccinate if you had a kid right now?

[Brady]

No. And as a matter of fact, if my kids have kids and they vaccinate their kids, they're discommunicated. Why you're going to never talk to them again.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're going to be better grandpa than you were dad.

[Brady]

Yes. And part of that is making sure that your grandkids are safe.

[Dale Hellestray]

Safe if.

[John Holmberg]

If they make the choice with their own child.

[Brady]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Not to vaccinate that kid. You won't talk to any of them ever again.

[Brady]

The ones that do that.

[Dale Hellestray]

That's what I'm saying.

[Brady]

I think they're smart enough that they won't.

[John Holmberg]

What about the grandkid?

[Brady]

What about them?

[John Holmberg]

Would you have a relationship with them if that. If it was vaccinated?

[Brady]

Yes. I'll feel very sorry for them and hopefully that.

[John Holmberg]

But you will no longer talk to their parents?

[Brady]

No.

[John Holmberg]

My God, man.

[Brady]

No. It's ridiculous. Listen, before that happens, I will show them all the evidence that's out there. And the evidence is out there that it is overwhelming.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

I actually told Dale to. I sent him videos on it. If you want to. You people out there, you can go on to Rumble. You can't find it too many spots. You can go to Rumble and. And look up Vaxxed. It's V A X X E D. There's a Vaxxed one, there's a Vax two, there's a Vax three. Three, they're biographies in regards to that. About an hour and a half long. Watch it. See it. And then you tell me, would you have your kids vaccinated? The chance of something happening is rather slim. It's slimmer. But if you're one of the ones that it affects your kid or your family, it's devastating.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's 100% if it affects your family. I wanna say this. Here's the difficulty you're gonna run into hope for your sake and theirs that somehow, some way you guys come to agreement. But like I. I'm always on my daughter because son in law is with me on this. Spanking is okay for a kid.

[John Holmberg]

Sure.

[Dale Hellestray]

If. If he is. Is being destructive on purpose, knows what he's doing. He's four. He's five. A little. I'm not talking about.

[John Holmberg]

No, not being spanking.

[Dale Hellestray]

A little spanking. Spanking. That does not. Because I told my daughter, I said Hillary, we spanked you. Yeah. Do you remember any spankings? Because people are saying, oh, well, it will ruin them for the rest of their lives. She goes, no, I don't remember any spanking. I said, exactly. You got spanked probably five times in your life when you did something obstinate.

[John Holmberg]

You deserved it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, you had it coming. But I can't talk them into spanking because everybody else says, well, no, they got to deal with their fears.

[John Holmberg]

Here's what I think should happen.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Oh, don't have kids. I don't have kids.

[Brady]

There's a person never had kids. Okay, I want to hear your advice.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, trust me. But you said you didn't even care. You wouldn't even talk to them if they disagree with you. So don't talk to me about that. I'm already a better dad than you.

[Brady]

Yeah, that's making the choice. That's not probably true. I'm. No argument.

[John Holmberg]

Why don't we spank them and while you're spanking them, throw a couple vaccines in. Oh, God. Now let's say I had a kid and you and I are talking and I tell you I got to take my kid in and get vaccinated today. Do you keep talking to me?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I thought I got out of this.

[Brady]

The problem is, unfortunately, we have been so propagandized in regards to thinking vaccines are the answer for health that people don't know any better.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, here's the thing. I will say I don't disagree completely with what you're saying. I don't think the answer is going fully the other way.

[Brady]

Why?

[John Holmberg]

Ask questions. Questions. Okay, that's the big thing. Don't go into either camp saying, my feet are dug in and I'm pouring cement on this. Do some research, ask questions. Scrutiny is great. The truth loves scrutiny. So ask more questions and it will reveal itself.

[Brady]

Definitely. Ask the question of this. And I wouldn't trust big Pharma anyways if they gave me an answer. But if it's an MRNA vaccine, you don't like it. That is a gene pain altering medication. It is not a. From what I know, and I'm not a vaccine expert, but, but from what I know, older vaccines, they would take the, the illness or the virus or whatever made the toxin and kind of kill it, put it in a very low state, give it to you and give it to you so that your body goes, oh, I see that, that's no good. We're gonna go get that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[Brady]

That's a different story. I don't think vaccines do that anymore? I don't think there's no any vaccine like that anymore.

[John Holmberg]

More. I'm with you Ask questions.

[Brady]

They are Mr. They are Gene altering weapons.

[John Holmberg]

Right?

[Brady]

Game over.

[John Holmberg]

There it is. Dave Nash, lunatic. Five minutes with a lunatic. I like it, I like it, I like it. Ask questions. I never have a problem with that. Always ask questions about everything. Even what you're saying.

[Brady]

You know how said that Charlie Kirk that didn't work out for him either. Well no.

[John Holmberg]

I mean I don't even know how that mattered in but yeah, you asked questions. Questions. You're going to run into some people who don't just dialogue.

[Brady]

Dialogue. Dialogue should be okay.

[John Holmberg]

Questions get answers. That is dialogue.

[Brady]

Yeah. And, and, and, and, and again if, if someone says hey, I don't care. I believe in vaccines, great. I, I'm not, I'm not saying you're nuts. You go for it. You get a bunch. Get. Take mine, I'll give you mine for nothing. I'll buy you extra if you want.

[John Holmberg]

All right.

[Brady]

That's okay.

[Dale Hellestray]

And you started. He was done. You started him up.

[John Holmberg]

I did, I did that. That's on me. All right, there you. There you go. For Dave Nash, five minutes alone. Dale Hell Street. My name is John Holberg. The sports thing is over. Holmberg sports pockets that I don't know if his shirt or I don't know what's better. My God, he's a tomato.