The Sports Thing Podcast - Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash (w/Fill In Guest Brady Bogen) - Episode 5 - 09-04-25

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness – The Sports Thing Podcast

Holmberg, Hellestrae, and Nash (w/Fill-In Guest Brady Bogan) – Episode 5

Date: September 5, 2025
Host: John Holmberg with Dale Hellestrae and Brady Bogan

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Episode Overview

The panel (John Holmberg, NFL alum Dale Hellestrae, and fill-in Brady Bogan) kicks off the 2025 NFL season with a wide-ranging, fast-paced conversation blending football nostalgia, locker room insight, and sharp observations on today’s NFL culture. They discuss the evolution of fan engagement—especially among women, the impact of celebrity and personal lives on team dynamics, preseason routines, and make some bold predictions (and warnings) about surprise teams and underachievers for the coming season. The tone is irreverent, witty, and occasionally self-deprecating, with the hosts poking fun at themselves, each other, and the sport’s soap-opera elements.

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Key Topics & Insights

I. Football Nostalgia & Arizona Super Bowl Stories

• The group reminisces about early Super Bowl years in Arizona, including tales of season ticket holders feeling “robbed” (05:00), difficulties in accessing tickets pre-Internet, and the long history of Dallas Cowboys/Cardinals "rivalry" (06:04).

  • Memorable quote:
    Holmberg [05:36]:
    “Did you guys make the playoffs last year? ... They hosted the Super Bowl. Remember Bill Bidwell used to like think that other teams’ accomplishments were great for him.”

• Dale shares how Cowboys’ visits to Arizona felt like home games for Dallas and describes a notorious incident:

  • “Alvin Harper went out on the field and started to hype the crowd on a kickoff. The place went crazy.” (06:13)

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II. Locker Room & Team Chemistry: Wives, Girlfriends, and the "Yoko Effect"

• The hosts unpack how team dynamics are influenced by players' spouses and significant others.

  • Dale [13:30]:
    “... there was a lot of snarking between the wives because they saw the younger wives coming in with their younger husbands and younger husbands knowing they're gonna take their...husband's job.”

• Discuss stories about Troy Aikman’s dating life and recognize how high-profile relationships/attitudes affected teammates and locker room trust (14:08).

  • “She would stand up for herself. And I think Troy just wanted somebody who's a little more milk toasty personality.” – Dale [15:02]

• Debate if a coach’s girlfriend on the sidelines (ref. Belichick at North Carolina) is a distraction or sign of changing times.

  • “If I was his son, yeah, I wouldn't be real happy about that. … That's not a good step for the media...” — Brady [28:54]

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III. The NFL as Soap Opera: Taylor Swift, Fantasy Leagues, and Women Fans

• Explores how the league and media have consciously courted women, expanding football’s audience through fantasy leagues and pop culture stories.

  • Dale [13:35]:
    “...fantasy football...both my daughters are in multiple leagues, and they have girl groups. ... that's soaked the women in.”

• Discussion on the Swift-Kelce phenomenon, Taylor Swift’s draw, and Brittany Mahomes’ “belle of the ball” status in KC. The hosts joke about female fans' engagement and how it changes the NFL social dynamic.

  • “The soap opera of the NFL is by design, 100%.” — Holmberg [33:36]

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IV. Preseason & Practice Insights

• Dale provides an insider’s look at joint practices, explaining how scrimmages against other teams are often more intense than preseason games (17:17). He describes the only time he “ever screamed” on a football field when a teammate fell on his knee during a drill (19:05–20:34).

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V. Bold Team Predictions & Over/Underachievers

• Panelists pick AFC/NFC teams likely to surprise or disappoint in 2025:

  • Surprise Picks:

    • Chargers (Brady, 37:22) – “Harbaugh experiment goes...solid running backs.”
    • Raiders (Dale, 37:49) – “I think Pete Carroll kind of has been an underrated coach...I think the Raiders are going to surprise.”
    • Patriots (Holmberg, 39:20) – “Vrabel’s an amazing coach...Drake May is the one everybody keeps talking about...the Patriots are a team that can spoil some things.”

  • Overachievers:

    • Cardinals (Dale, 44:20) – “I think the Cardinals have a chance to win the NFC West. I like the coaching staff. The GM. Kyler Murray is a little better than people give him credit for.”

  • Potential Underachievers:

    • 49ers (Brady, 46:07) – “I just think they’re so hyped up...people are almost rooting for them to be great.”
    • Lions (Dale, 47:00) – “You’ve lost both coordinators...the head coach is rah-rah...I don’t know how much lasting power that has.”
    • Jets/Steelers (Holmberg, 40:54) – “Steelers are being overlooked…Aaron Rodgers...his arm is still strong.”

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VI. Notable Quotes & Banter

• On football’s soap opera and the media’s influence:
  Holmberg [33:36]:
  “The soap opera of the NFL is by design, 100%.”
• On sideline distractions and football marriages:
  Dale [35:56]:
  “If a coach had his girlfriend on the sidelines before the game…I'd be looking at him going, ‘What in the hell’s going on?’”
• On women at football parties:
  Holmberg [16:19]:
  “I've had parties at my house where some of the girls say they know everything and then prove that they don't. And they've got a lot of arrogance, and they can't take it when you're like, you're an idiot…You say that to a girl, they start crying. Now all of a sudden, you're a jerk.”

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VII. Fun Bets & Season Props (57:30–58:50)

• Hosts go through quickfire over/unders:
  • Micah Parsons: 13+ sacks?
    • Dale: “No.” Brady: “Yes.”
  • Aaron Rodgers: 3,500+ yards?
    • General consensus: Over, if healthy.
  • Saquon Barkley: 2,300 yards from scrimmage?
    • Dale: “I’d take the under.” Brady: “I’ll take the over...barely.”

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VIII. Betting, Pools, Fantasy Fatigue (60:04–63:47)

• Holmberg and Dale express exasperation with complex fantasy and betting pools (parlays, survivor, auto-picks).
  • Dale [63:09]:
    “The biggest winner for Vegas is parlays. Oh, huge...that’s why everything you see is parlays.”

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IX. Closing: "Lunatic With A Bullhorn" (The Moon Landing Conspiracy) [65:11]

• The obligatory end-of-show segment: Brady presents his argument (tongue-in-cheek, lacking "enough compassion" for Dave Nash’s lunacy) that the moon landing was faked for the US to win the space race.
  • “Because the moon rocks, where are they?” — Holmberg [65:27]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Arizona Super Bowl Memories & Ticket Stories: 04:50–07:00
• Cowboys/Cardinals “Rivalry” History: 06:04–07:46
• Locker Room Wife-Girlfriend Dynamics: 13:30–15:51
• Women Fans & NFL As Soap Opera: 11:09–16:39, 33:36
• Belichick & Sideline Drama: 23:35–31:00
• Practice / Preseason Intensity & Fights: 17:02–20:34
• Surprise Team Picks & Prediction Roundtable: 36:59–48:07
• Over/Under Rapid Fire Season Props: 57:30–58:50
• Betting/Fantasy Fatigue & Vegas’ Parlays: 60:22–64:03
• "Lunatic With a Bullhorn" – Moon Landing Debate: 65:11–69:03

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Memorable Moments

• Dale’s "Scream On the Field": [19:05–20:34]
• Soap Opera NFL & Taylor Swift Effect: [33:36–34:19]
• Holmberg Poking at Belichick Son Nepotism: [28:42–30:10]
• Panel’s Endearing Self-Roasts & Banter on Attractiveness: [34:08–34:31]

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Tone and Style

The conversation is rapid-fire, funny, and steeped in insider knowledge of both the game’s technical side and its colorful cultural dramas. The hosts slide smoothly between nostalgia, serious football talk, and self-aware lampooning of themselves, the league, and fandom.

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For New Listeners:

This episode distills the passion, absurdities, and high stakes of football season—both on and off the field—with playful sidebars on everything from conspiracy theories to fantasy football burnout. Even for those less familiar with the show or the NFL, it’s a lively, accessible glimpse into how football culture is evolving, and why it generates such heated, humorous debate.

Transcript

[A]

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[C]

And we're off. Here we go.

[B]

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[C]

No one.

[B]

Absolutely no. Sponsors weren't any part of this yet.

[C]

We'll take. We'll take phone calls.

[B]

We'll take. Well, we don't have a phone, but yes, Dale we would do that if we could, but we can't. It is the sports thing. I am your humble moderator and host of the wildly successful Homebrews. Morning sickness found everywhere on the Internet, on radio waves, through apps, through podcasts. Do yourself a favor. Find it and enjoy it. Dale Hellestre is here as well. Three time world champion with the Dallas Cowboys. Oh, so many years ago, Dale Hellistray was a champion. Did they have color TV then? Did they?

[C]

I want to go a different route.

[B]

No, did they? I'm not so sure they did.

[C]

Oh, you remember. I mean, you can see the gold and black of that super bowl when you guys walk out.

[B]

Yeah, well, yeah, that was. That was when it was really bright, fun. Yeah.

[C]

You left early on that one, by the way.

[B]

I did leave early because. Not because the game was bad. I was sitting behind Stevie Wonder, and I found myself angry at that.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

I was too fired up. I was 21.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

In that super bowl, and I was drinking, and I was way too emotional to be with people.

[C]

Okay, so you went to a bar or something.

[B]

So we went to a party that I knew was happening in one of the tents that is now Tempe Town Lake outside the stadium. We went into one of those tents and just my dad's company had a thing going, so I knew some people, and we could hide in the corner.

[C]

And not, you know, people don't realize is that was the year the 202 was built.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think we were one of the first people to drive on that. We were staying at the Buttes. Yep. I, born and raised here, was like, what is this?

[B]

When did this happen?

[C]

I didn't even.

[B]

That thing went right by ASU stadium, and there you guys were robbing yet another Super Bowl. Joining us in place of the entrepreneur Dave Nash is Brady Bogan, also part of Homework's morning sickness. Wildly successful radio show for 24 years and one week now, Dale.

[C]

One week. That's right.

[B]

24 and a week. Brady, welcome to the program. You'll be taking Dave Nash's space, which is just usually to sit quietly and then every once in a while, say something really stupid in an angry way. I think outside of the anger, you.

[D]

I was at that super bowl as well. Yes. And we parked at the Carson. The Solheim course. Yeah.

[B]

That's a walk. That's a wander.

[D]

Yeah. Well, then they bust us from there.

[B]

Oh, and I. I used to take my jeep when I had Cardinal season tickets those years. 94, 95. And one of the reasons I got Cardinal season tickets because they said that season ticket holders would have access to that super bowl.

[C]

Like a lot of other things.

[B]

I know we haven't done it on this podcast yet, but bullshit they did not. There was no access to that family. You had to jump through a billion hoops.

[C]

Maybe a couple sweet owners might have gotten something.

[B]

Maybe people that had an like as just a regular guy season ticket holder the option to. And plus gotta remind, no Internet, no nothing. You had to go stand in line and you had to do it was horrible. So I'm like, I did this for two years to become kind of a season ticket holder for the card. And this was back when old man Bidwell ran the thing. And it was. They were. It was an old boys network and it was not a good group. They. They took advantage of everybody. So. And then the year after that they said, you want to renew your tickets, we're going to move you back 15 rows and like double the price. And I'm like, no, I'm sorry.

[C]

Did you guys make the playoffs last year?

[B]

Yeah. And that's what I said. No, because they hosted the Super Bowl. Remember Bill Bidwell used to like think that other teams accomplishments were great for him. The Cowboys would roll the town once a year because they were back in the division. They'd play them two times and one in Dallas one year. And I remember when they realigned, Bill Bidwell threw a fit saying that's the biggest rivalry in football. We can't lose that game. And what he was saying was, that's the only time we sell out every year. We need that Cowboys because a home.

[C]

Team keeps 60% of the gate.

[B]

It was the only time. And he didn't have the personalized license seats yet. So this was a big financial.

[D]

It always felt like it was a home. It was a game for Dallas.

[B]

Oh, the two years I was there. I remember Alvin Harper went out on the field and started to hype the crowd on a kickoff. The place went crazy.

[C]

Were you cheering for us?

[B]

No, I believe I was vomiting. Yeah. So I remember he said that. And Jerry Jones to his credit came out immediately goes we don't consider the Cardinals a rivalry. And I'm like, oh man. And they just booted him out of the NFC east.

[C]

Right?

[B]

They were the only team that didn't stay.

[C]

Well think about they. They used to be as a long road trip, but they got to play Philly, Washington, New York and Dallas and they all had to come here.

[B]

But that tells you how much old man Bidwell didn't care about wins and losses because that team couldn't get ahead of itself when they were good because of the travel. They were all over the country and.

[C]

They would go out the day before.

[B]

Yeah, he wanted to keep it that way because he went.

[D]

11 years. What was your record against the Cardinals?

[C]

I think. I think we lost well one time in the playoffs.

[B]

Well, that was 97.

[C]

Yeah, we kind of looked. Looked ahead.

[B]

That was the end of the.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Aikman run.

[C]

But we were thinking that was a Saturday game. We are the Houston Texans of. Of the NFL by then. And we thought, oh, this would be great. We'll win an early Saturday game. We'll get Sunday Monday off and whatever. Next thing you know. No, you're going home. And I think we lost maybe 12 other regular season games. But I will tell you this. 9 and 2, especially out here. Yeah, we. Every time we play them, they beat the bejesus out of us.

[B]

That's what you were saying. Like you'd always leave this game. And actually on the, on the documentary.

[C]

Williams, the night that he. I forgot that was the. After we played Arizona the night he got in that accident. But that reminded me. Yeah, we were always beat up when we. We'd win.

[B]

Was it weather? People forget the elevation here is a lot higher than you think.

[C]

I don't think it was. I just think Arizona brought it against us probably because I know that if I was playing for the Cardinals and I saw those Cowboy fans, I would be pissed.

[B]

Oh, and they're cheering. You know, they're getting like. You guys are able to do the quiet the crowd thing. Apeman walk up the line once and did the. Yeah, let's quiet her down here, folks. And I'm like, oh, my God.

[C]

Card's having to do silent count now.

[B]

You did have the Buddy Ryan win on the Christmas Day game. The, The. The infamous Jerry Maguire game where they filmed Jerry Maguire before that game and then at the stadium and then during the game. That was when Buddy Ryan left the game early.

[C]

Yeah, he walk. He walked off the sidelines. Let me tell you real quick about that game. So that was our last Super Bowl. Was. Yep. That was the last game of the season. Christmas night. We got on the plane Christmas Eve because there's a Monday night game that we played. So on Sunday we're gonna. We were tied with San Francisco. San Francisco, or maybe they were one game ahead of it, whatever. But they were going to Atlanta. Atlanta sucked. If San Francisco wins and we're. We don't have home field advantage throughout the playoffs and. And all that and we land in Phoenix. And the pilot, the pilot says the 49ers have been upset by the Falcons. And you could literally feel the entire plan go, wow, really? And we went out the next night.

[B]

And just demolished the Cowboys or the Cardinals. That was a. And I don't blame Buddy for leaving early because at halftime he was fired. Oh, we had a winner in town. And then he walked out.

[D]

Some packing to do.

[B]

Oh, he. He standed the last shot of that game of him standing in the tunnel watching the last couple of plays.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're just like, he left because he thought they'd run the clock out. But it. Oh, that's. That's one of the most embarrassing moments in sports. That. That's up there.

[C]

That and his opening press conference.

[B]

Well, you know what, though, with Buddy and the winner in town thing that he's known. Buddy's got two quotes. One about Chris Carter when he traded him from the Eagles. And he said all the guy does catch touchdowns.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What you don't know about that, or most people don't is that Chris Carter had a problem with alcoholism.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And Buddy was cutting him free to go solve those problems. And he's like, we're going to move you out of this situation. And it was like he needed his life to change. And Buddy was actually against the whole thing, evidently, according to one of the younger Ryan's, that he wanted him to go start his life somewhere else. Get right. Be closer to this, be closer to that, whatever it was. And Buddy said, yeah, why'd we trade him? I don't know. The guy only catches touchdowns. And it came across. He's like, he just catch touchdowns. That's all he does. It's not what he was saying. It's the Allen Iverson practice. We talking about practice. Nobody knows when Allen was talking about that was one of his best friends died the day before.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And the press conference about practice. We talking about practice was basically. How are you guys bugging me about this right now?

[D]

I was on some of my mind.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. How are you bothering me about. If the coach has a problem with me, that's fine. But it's an infamous quote. Unlike Jim Morris playoffs, which is gal. It's the best one of all of them. That and Mike Gundy's I'm 40, I'm a man.

[D]

That's.

[B]

That's one of my best.

[C]

Yeah. Those are the good ones.

[B]

Yeah. So we get into that and it was interesting to watch Super Bowls and things like that. And we'll have that coming up in a little bit. Football's back. There are gonna be football widows everywhere. And speaking of women in football, let's talk a little bit about the NFL. Trying to get women involved in sports. Over in the NFL for years, with the NFL for women, the. The camps and the NFL 100, 101 they called it. And they were training women to love football and success. I would say it's been a pretty good sideline reporter. Yeah. I don't know that that draws women. Yeah.

[C]

I don't think they went over watching Aaron Andrews.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think. I think the sideline reporters was only for us. And then they did a few ugly ones because we were getting too excited about the pretty ones. And our wives were interested only in, like, what's the big deal about her? And they just didn't want to hear it. So they're like, give me somebody ugly on the sidelines. And we don't care about sideline reporters. Remember when Eric Dickerson did it? You were friends when he was horrible at it. Sideline reporting is. But they did the camps to get women to be fans, and it has changed the game. Along with your friend Jerry Jones, it's turned into a weird little soap opera. And going into this season, I'm hearing more about Jason or Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift's marriage than I am the Micah Parsons trade. It's almost even as much as it is, and that's because you can't get away from one. I have to go to sports sites or sports shows to see Micah Parsons. I go to entertainment pages.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And I see sports news. That is Taylor Swift.

[C]

Well, what I. What I was going to say is the other thing that football has done that no other sport can do is this fantasy football. Now, I've never played. Yeah. But both my daughters are in multiple leagues, and they have girl groups. Eight to 10 women are in on fantasy football. And that's all across the country. And I mean, I'll be with her on a Sunday, and all of a sudden her phone will go beep. I got a touchdown.

[B]

Or scoring.

[C]

Yes. And so that's soaked the women in. But this.

[D]

My daughter's in one.

[B]

Yeah. And they've done a great job with women. And then. And then the other thing is, is that we're more. And we as men have kind of fed into this soap opera of the NFL to where we've always kind of liked the story behind the story. And now it's ladies. It's almost become this weird thing. Belichick's. Girlfriend. It's in college. It's all this other stuff. Have you ever been on a team, Dale, where you can notice there's one of the guys wives is yokoing the.

[C]

Team just a touch I've never had. You know, it was fascinating because we've talked about it. When myself and John Giesa got traded to the Cowboys. Yeah. That was when the transition was happening. Yeah. You had a bunch of older guys. Eugene Lockharts and Danny White was just cutting. And so you had the old guard. And there was. There was a lot of snarking between the wives because they saw the younger wives coming in with their younger husbands and younger husbands knowing they're gonna take their. Their husband's job.

[B]

What is that dynamic like? Because you were with guys who dated celebrities.

[C]

Well, Troy. Troy. Probably the most famous story was. Well, so not a story because. Never been told before, but Troy used to date different. Yeah. Stars and things like that. And we'd always go on a trip in the off season together, whoever he's dating. Brooke and myself.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And this one particular one, we went to the wine country and golfed and pebble beach and all that. And he brought some girl named Angie Harmon, who, I don't know if you remember.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Super hot and. And got along great. Brooke and I are like, this is the type of girl you should probably, you know, become more serious.

[B]

You're trying to push him into marriage.

[C]

At least more serious. But then when we got through with everything, she's too strong for him, really. And so. But we had.

[B]

In what way she put Troy in his place?

[C]

Well, she. She would stand up for herself. And I think Troy just wanted somebody who's a little more milk toasty personality.

[B]

Shut up and know your role.

[C]

Boy, she was so. She was fun. She's like 5 11.

[B]

Yeah, she's gorgeous. But she just had too much opinion.

[C]

And Troy's not into those ladies just like you. That's why you married Megan.

[B]

Oh, exactly. I like a lady who knows her place.

[C]

I was gonna ask you. So football season starts tonight. Do you sit down and talk to Megan tonight and say, hey, I'm gonna. I'm not gonna be mentally with you till January.

[B]

Yes, absolutely.

[C]

Understand that.

[B]

And here's the thing.

[D]

It's to the point where you don't.

[B]

I have to have a talk. And besides, I'm not sitting down talking to her. That's ridiculous. We're gonna sit down, I'm gonna look at her and we're like. And she'll be like, I Get it? I. And I'll have a football beanie on and, like, a Steelers shirt, maybe shoulder pads. She'll know.

[D]

But she likes the Sundays.

[B]

Oh, yeah. She has fun with the games, but she has to, or else that's about the way that goes. But, yeah, it's. But they've involved themselves, and women are no longer, like, just passively enjoying football the way it has been for so many years. Over the last decade or so, it's fairly common to have a girl at a football party that knows just as much as yours. Following the weird signings of your practice.

[C]

Squad team, every once in a while, they'll look at you and say, was that a forward pass or was that a lateral?

[B]

Oh, my gosh. And it feels like you're kind of a misogynist, but it isn't. It's just kind of like, wow, it's a good thing, I suppose, so long as they just don't start rubbing it in. Because I've had parties at my house where some of the girls say they know everything and then prove that they don't. And they've got a lot of arrogance, and they can't take it when you're like, you're an idiot. Like, if Dale walked into there, Angie.

[D]

Harmon'd out of the house.

[B]

Exactly. Well, that's the problem with that. Some of them feel like they're. And they don't. They don't get involved in the same way that we would.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Where Brady said something stupid about the Bengals, and I combat it with facts, and then he starts to fight with emotion. You're like, you're a moron. Get the F out of here. You say that to a girl, they start crying. Now all of a sudden, you're a jerk. You hate women. But now it's kind of getting to where it's like, no, this is.

[C]

They'll talk back.

[B]

Evened up, and it's pretty good now. Did you have a problem? I'm always fascinated by the stuff that goes on off the field because I know too many fans think what they see on Sunday is all they need to see, especially preseason. Look, you didn't play preseason games. Like, you don't realize all four days prior to that, they played another team's ones right. In practice, and no press got to see it, and nobody got to watch that. And two teams went head to head and probably played. Did you play games during those? Like, out of stadium?

[C]

No, but you. You'd have. You know. Yeah, you. You would split off to separate fields and you'd Run team, period. You'd run 20 plays against their defense and. And they would do the same thing.

[B]

And, and it was, it was kind of like you, you wouldn't talk to the other coaches to say, hey, do me a favor and run base. Do this.

[C]

Hey, we're gonna work on blitzes today or we're gonna do something. But you did one on one path protection. Yeah. We practice against the Raiders for probably six years. Yeah. They come into down to Austin for about three days and you know, Howie Longs of the world and. Yeah. Matt Millins of the world and, and, and you're. It. It obviously amps up practice.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

And.

[B]

And so because the starters are getting their reps in.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

They don't care about preseason. You want to see how the young guys do in a stadium environment.

[C]

When the lights come.

[B]

Yeah. When they look up and they go, oh, geez, there's a third level on this stage because there's so.

[C]

There's so many times where this, you know, I'm 37, 30, 39 years old, and these 6, 5, 320 pound dudes are coming in, run a 5 flat 4 to bench press this building. And then first preseason game lights are on and they jump offsides. Yeah. When they go back to the huddle, they're thinking about, I can get yelled at for being offsides. Yeah. I don't listen to the play. Now I have a mental blow on the next play and you're gone. You can't, you can't play.

[B]

Next thing you know, you're domino'd yourself. Right. Yeah, exactly. So I always look at that and I always think to myself, fights, fights.

[D]

There had to have been during the.

[C]

There were the other scuffles. You know, we got to know each other so well, the Raiders and the Cowboys. I think we respected each other. There'll be words.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

The ones don't fight.

[C]

No, you're, you're smart enough. Yeah. I will tell you one quick story about practice against the Raiders. It's the only time I've ever screamed on a football field. Okay. We're just, we're doing this drill where I'm, I'm playing center. I got Nate Newton and Larry Allen on either side of me and we're either going left or we're going right.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And there's three defenders, no Stackle. And two Dave. Defensive tackles. Well, we're supposed to go left. And, and so I take a step left. Nate Newton, for some reason can't see the finger pointed left, steps right on you. And And I start to go down, and he's £360, he's on my knee. I'm trying to get my knee out of there, and I scream. And. And so I'm laying there on the ground. And I mean, I think everybody on the other. Other field heard it. Yeah, it was trainers come running, feminine screen. Yeah, it might have been. Yeah, it might have been. And because you see your career.

[B]

No, you get Nate Newton fall on your knee, all of a sudden you.

[C]

See your career flash in front of you. And so I'm down on the ground. He's getting up. Oh, my God, whatever. And I start moving my knee a little bit and trainers is there, and I'm like, I think I'm going to be okay. I said, but I screamed.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So you do all that knee stuff. Okay. And then I'm going to put my arms around you.

[B]

We're limping.

[C]

Confidence. You're getting me off the field.

[B]

Cart me off. I might cry with a towel over my head. I'm pushing it.

[D]

You set an agreement with the trainer.

[B]

I think that started. I think that happened for the Steelers in preseason with Derek Harmon. I think he had what turned out to be just a slight knee sprain.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But he got carted off crying.

[C]

Really? Yeah.

[B]

And I think it was part of it was performative because it was basically like, I may have just made an ass of myself rolling around on the field.

[C]

I look like a little bit. Yeah.

[B]

I'm going to miss like a week or two. This is. But I better. I'm going to. And after the half, he's on the sidelines laughing. I'm like, you were just on a cart. Your career was over.

[C]

I came back for the afternoon practice. I'm like, man, you are tough.

[B]

Yeah, that's gold. So you never once thought, did Brooke, your wife, ever say to you, I don't like her, I don't want to hang out with you?

[C]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Early when we got traded there in 1990, that's when a bunch of the stuff hit the fan.

[D]

Anyone Michael brought in?

[B]

Well, sure. That had to be tough.

[C]

And she talked about getting on the elevator, too, the stadium or whatever. And how, you know, there would definitely be.

[B]

Basketball game crushed it. And the day's just getting started now. Kick it in with my crew when I need a quick snack.

[C]

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[B]

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[C]

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[B]

From workouts to Hangouts to whatever's next. I go with go, go, squeeze active. Snag yours on your next store run. Available on Amazon. So did that affect you? Like, if you had. Like, again, Brady brings up Michael. I'm guessing the same way as me. Michael's probably not that allowed around. Well, maybe because he's a superstar.

[C]

No, he's. He knows how to act around.

[B]

I know how to act around him too.

[C]

You just decide not to.

[D]

You are so Michael Irvin.

[B]

I know. Oh, but that's superstar status. He's learning that about.

[C]

Michael's been over to the house. He's Uncle Michael to Hillary and Kendall.

[B]

And I can't go because. Worried I'll embarrass you.

[C]

Yes. Meanwhile, cuz I know now you'll do it on purpose.

[B]

Of course. And a guy who stabbed another guy in the neck with scissors is totally. That's ridiculous. But is. Has there was there a time where you're like, oh, team first. When. Cuz I'm sure that's happened in a few locker rooms where the wife's like, I don't like. Like your best friend. If your best friend's Troy Aikman, he's dating somebody you don't like. Brooke can make it hard for you to say, I don't like how Troy is when he's around, or even worse, one of your single guys. And next thing, you're having a good time with him, and she sees it and she's like, you're not going out with him ever again.

[C]

Well, you know, I'm gonna say Dallas in the 90s. I mean, there was plenty of trouble to be had.

[B]

That had to be tough.

[C]

Yeah. Because, I mean, again, Dallas is football crazy. And then you. Then you add on. We were pretty damn good. And we had a lot of big personalities and all that, you know, I don't re. I remember her just dealing with those. Those wives with her. Her best friend, Gina Giesick, who is John Giese's wife. And. And they just kind of stuck together. And those wives were gone after that year.

[B]

Anyway, how would you feel if you're at North Carolina with what's going on with Bella?

[C]

That would.

[B]

That's weird.

[C]

I saw that. Yeah.

[B]

Her standing on the sidelines is one step I didn't expect.

[C]

No.

[B]

I thought he was kind of playing it up for the.

[D]

And dolled up.

[B]

Yeah. And she looked great. She doesn't. She. She's she's like a seven out of ten. But she can. She can push it.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Like, I.

[D]

She just had a Pageant.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

She's on the sidelines.

[B]

She looked like she was ready for something. And I'm watching that and I'm like, this is anti Belichick. For the longest time, I thought he was playing for the media, right. Like he's putty in their hands. He's just goofing with it. And then I saw her on the sidelines and I'm like, no, she's controlling something. Maybe not all of it, but she's.

[C]

Got, say, Bill Belichick that we know. Oh, there's going to be no girlfriend, no wife, no. No female presence on the sideline before the game.

[B]

Could you imagine if Gisele Bundchen was on the sidelines talking with Tom Brady, chatting and being there before the game?

[C]

No.

[B]

You're just.

[D]

You're clearly distracted so much that he has been the leader, he has been the guy the go to and. And he's been craving that. I want to be the person. I don't know.

[B]

The answer is pretty simple. It's 20 something and it lives about, oh, I know, a foot and a half below her face. Right.

[D]

But that fit the qualification.

[B]

But I think that just was enough for him in his 70s to be.

[D]

Like, I'm liking this.

[B]

Yeah, this is too great to. If she wants to do it, what's the big deal?

[C]

Right?

[B]

And it's weird like that. I could see being something if I was at North Carolina. I'm like, I'm not getting the best of this coach.

[C]

No. And you wonder, is he there for two years and hopefully his son's gonna take over, but if he gets getting his rear end beat, there's a whole lot of them might be gone.

[B]

That was not a very. And that there's something. Something to be said about the Belichick girlfriend, but there's also something to be said about he doesn't care. He's doing this to get Steve the job.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And so after watching some of that game Monday, and then they replayed it and I watched the first half. That's a bad football team. And so I think the Belichick legacy, I think that was. I think we just watched the pinnacle of his time at North Carolina as far as interest goes. Cause who cares at this point if they get blasted again? It's a story. If they beat whoever they have, Charlotte or whoever, nobody's gonna care, right? So the first game had all the interest and they laid an egg and it's like, well, they can go ahead and beat the Spiders of Richmond now. Nobody's gonna care. They Got a game against Clemson, I think, later this year.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Maybe a little interest, but. But they lose. They're going to lose. If they. If they lose, no one's going to.

[C]

Well, here's the thing that I. When I. When I look at them, and it's the same thing. We've talked about Texas, Ohio State and how that looked. Yeah. And all that. But they have 40 transfers at North Carolina. They have 70 new players. The one thing about college football is you don't have a preseason game. You don't get to play under the lights, even a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And so a lot of times those first games can. You can lay an egg. And I guess if you're a North Carolina fan, that's all you can hope. But I saw an unimaginative offense.

[B]

Boring.

[C]

Just boring. And that. And that's not college football today.

[B]

No. You know, and the crazy part to me is the, like, you say, you know, all the transfers and all this stuff, but go no further than your favorite person three years ago, Deion Sanders, who fired an entire college team.

[C]

Right.

[B]

The whole thing, except for. And he brought his son with him. And that wasn't a distraction. That was a better player. So it's different to say, oh, it's nepotism. But he's like, nepotism. That's a better player.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Than what we've got. You guys won a game last year. Everyone out.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And he kicked out the whole team and rebuilt all of Colorado on the portal. In the transfer portal. They weren't great, but what were they, like, 3, 0 and start. They beat TCU, ironically.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And they beat TCU their first game. And then Belichick goes out with a. I mean, TCU was. That was the week after. The year after the. They made the run. It's kind of a weird thing that Dion did it, and Belichick, who has the lure of it all, just didn't look like he's a motivator. That was the crazy part. The team didn't look settled or motivated.

[C]

We've talked. You and I have talked, and we can get Bray's opinion on it. The thing about Belichick is all you ever see is this deadpanned, we're moving on to Cincinnati. But to do what he did for 20 years in New England. Yes, I know Tom. Tom Brady played a big part in it, but guys talk about him like he's got a sense of humor, like there's something behind the scenes. And I think I told you when we were golfing, the fact that Troy Aikman always wanted to present himself as a professional, stoic dude when he's doing interviews. A lot of people didn't even know he had a sense of humor. They don't laugh, smiles, things like. So there's got to be something to build that none of us see. Yeah. I just don't know if it's gonna transfer to college kids. Yeah. What.

[B]

What we're seeing, though, is what I'm talking about with, you know, the wives and the girlfriends. Well, there's the thing and that. That's the problem, that I think it's less legacy and more like, what do you need me to do to get the kid the job?

[C]

Right.

[B]

And he's getting his son the job. Like. Like little Belichick's going to be the coach of NC when Bill's done. And I just. I. I was shocked to see her on the sidelines. That changed my whole opinion of the Bill Belichick Jordan. What's her name?

[D]

If I was his son, yeah, I wouldn't be real happy about that.

[B]

His son may be running the show.

[D]

Yeah. But that's. That's not a good step for the.

[B]

Media if his son's running the show and Bill's like, this is all you. I'll hang around and give you pointers. But I'm just. I'm the face of this. But I'm not involved too much. And there's going to be a chip.

[D]

On that for the sun, sure, in a way.

[B]

But that's what I looked at Monday. I saw a guy who's like, I'm just standing here.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm not doing.

[C]

But are you going up to your dad and going, dad, what the hell are you doing?

[B]

No, because that might be a discussion, and this is all speculation, obviously, but again, back to the soap opera that she caused.

[C]

Right.

[B]

That I'm sitting there thinking to myself, bill's just a figurehead. Steve knows the deal, and he's running this thing. And Bill will stand there and he'll hear it in the headphones and go, we're not going to do that. You know, he's a consultant, essentially, who's kind of like, don't count on me. I'll be there. I'm present. I'll help you go through the ex. But this is yours. My girlfriend's going to be on the sidelines every once in a while. That's a distraction I'll handle. Don't worry about it. This is your team, son. I'm sorry about the distraction, but it's not his distraction. Bill's taking the slings and arrows before little Belichick finds out he's any good or not. And it's almost brilliant if you look at it from a self insulating kind of thing to say, look, look, you do this behind the scenes, I'll take all the hits.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I do not care what happens here. I'll help you get through some things. But you know, and that, that is so anti Bill Belichick to see a girl on the sidelines at all.

[D]

Think at that level that would come out no more.

[B]

Not if it's just between him and Steve because he's protecting. We'll see if you like this. It's like, it's like you're dead random.

[D]

But I'm saying as far as for.

[B]

Players, for those kids, they might not know Bill's there.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. It would be hard for me to think that wait a minute, I'm onto this. Is that he's just doing this for the kids.

[B]

But they don't know.

[D]

He doesn't know my name or he doesn't know how vested. You would know that.

[C]

You would feel that maybe if.

[B]

But his, his Persona is that he's not going to know your name. He stand off and he's not going to get to know you. And he might just give a lame speech and let an assistant handle it. The kids at NC do not know how he is any other way than what he was on the field but at all.

[D]

But that trickle down effect as far as a big player coming in like I mean the big appeal that Belichick's there.

[C]

Right.

[D]

And that his son's there. But that he's there is. Oh, this gets me set up for the NFL maybe better program is NC's right into the next level.

[C]

So two things. Number one, let's give it a few weeks. Yeah.

[B]

Let's not jump on it yet. Breathe.

[C]

I mean now if in three weeks he's on four and they're. And they're looking like, okay, they're playing.

[B]

Some patsies here but it's going to.

[C]

Be off the rails. It's just like with University of Texas. It's like, boy, they, they didn't look good against Ohio State, but let's give them a few weeks.

[B]

But Steve Sarkeesian wasn't standing there next to a model at any point during that would have been massive trouble if Ryan Day or something.

[D]

Picture. I think they were doing pictures of his wife. What she was wearing.

[B]

Oh, was she in the crowd? Though she's not standing on the sideline with this guy.

[D]

Was not on the sidelines or anything.

[B]

But they can say, oh, here's his wife. But if she's standing there while the team's doing warmups and Bill's, like, within a few. Within.

[C]

What are they even talking about?

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Okay. I'm sorry.

[B]

If that happens again in the next few weeks. Bill's doing. I don't put anything past that guy. To have been three steps ahead of. What are you trying to do here? This is so obviously different.

[D]

I heard she needed a 20 because she wanted to get a hot dog.

[B]

Dad.

[D]

Daddy.

[B]

Yeah, there's a chance. But it's interesting because I bet you we're gonna find that out as the years go on. That we didn't know in the past of how many wives, girlfriends, and whatever were kind of the downfall of a team. I thought Taylor Swift and Mahomes, Brittany Mahomes. I thought they were gonna end up hating each other. They're lucky those two have gotten along as long as there looked like there.

[D]

Was a point in time that.

[B]

Because think about it.

[C]

Well, then I think Brittany said, you know what? I think she's gonna be around for a little bit better.

[B]

Better. Because Brittany was the belle of the ball in Kansas City. She was the model. She's got these jobs on, you know, Casey Weekly. She's on the COVID magazines. And then Taylor Swift shows up, and it's like, damn it.

[D]

But do they hang out that much?

[B]

Well, they put on a gay. A good face. Yeah. And that's all you really need.

[C]

They're in the same suite. Yeah. And they.

[B]

They seem to like each other. Perceptions are that they're. Nothing's wrong or not.

[C]

You don't. And you don't hear them barking at each other.

[B]

There's no division tmc. TMZ isn't all over. Like, oh, Brittany had this thing. When she looked at Taylor's side, they'd find the side. Oh, they're looking for it. And that's the fun of what I was talking about to start this. The soap opera of the NFL is by design, 100%.

[C]

Everything they do is to try and make a buck. And that sells. And I saw a comedian talk about it as a female comedian, and she said, you know, now that Taylor Swift says, okay to watch football, I've gotten into football a little bit.

[B]

Yeah. They needed the catalyst, and they found the biggest one in the female audience. You can get.

[C]

I think you can get her on this show.

[B]

If we got her on this show women would start to listen nonstop to us, like, oh, they're friends with Taylor.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like that. She's the seal of approval. She's got that Oprah thing. If Oprah said it was a bad.

[D]

Experience, we'd be off the air.

[B]

Yeah, that's possible. But, yeah, I mean, the problem would be mainly. And I think Brady can back me up on this, is that she'd want to have sex with me so badly that it would probably cause a problem.

[D]

I see it.

[B]

Yeah. Thanks, Brady.

[D]

All the time.

[B]

Yeah. That's why we don't have a lot of women on the show, is because it's just so awkward how they, you know, they fall into my spell. And Dale, I don't even know I'm casting the spell, to be honest. It just. It just.

[C]

It just comes out of that big nose of yours.

[B]

Yes. It's like a wizard's wand. You son of a. It's not. Yeah, it's. My nose casts a spell on them. It's a good shade. It's a nice feeling to me.

[D]

It's weird, though, every once in a while because, like, in the middle of the show, Megan comes walking.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She can't help. Yeah. I just have her standing by the show.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's nothing better. Nothing better than your wife at work. Nothing better. Your wife just pops in while you're actually doing your job and just stares at you, and you're like, well, I can't have any fun now.

[C]

What's so weird when you talk about that? Another story popped into my mind is when my dad passed away, you never get called off the practice field. There's never girls on the practice field. And my dad passed away, and my mom called Brooke, and Brooke called the Cowboys. We were in training camp, and, you know, here comes three or four guys straight up to me and said, you need to come inside. And immediately, you know, it's something you're. You're. You're your child. Yeah. Your child didn't. Didn't just break an arm or something big. It's something big.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And. And because there's no distractions, you know.

[B]

You can't do it because it messes up everything. Yes. One guy's little distraction. You bring up Dion all the time, and he was allowed to do whatever he wanted. And that immediate immediately got into the DB Room. And those guys started to act like, well, if he doesn't have to do it, neither do I. My girlfriend's going to be here if his girlfriend's here.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And that's Kind of where it's just like, well, if you're not going to draw a line with him, I'm going to push the line.

[C]

I just know that if I. I can think back when I was in college and when I was at smu, if a coach had his girlfriend on the sidelines before the game while we're stretching and warming up, I'd be looking at him going, what in the hell's going on?

[B]

I'm surprised. Coaches, they're like girls.

[C]

Yeah, Coaches.

[D]

Good one.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you very much. It froze him.

[C]

It frozen. I missed that one.

[B]

It's all right. You missed a lot while you were in smu. A lot. All right, let's get right to this. If football starts this weekend, we're excited about it. And let's get right to it. First off, I'm going to ask you guys questions about this year that's coming up. Just some wild predictions that I have a couple of questions on right off the bat. I'll start with you, Brady. The team that you think in each conference is likely to surprise us, a team that's coming up in the NFC and the AFC that you're like, you know what? There's the team that might be the one this year that sneaks into the playoffs and does a little damage that we did not see coming. Whoever wants to answer can answer.

[D]

Okay, well, I think. I mean, nothing comes to mind right off the bat.

[B]

Any surprise teams?

[D]

Because it's going to be no surprise for the Commander Skins.

[B]

Well, that. No, that's not a surprise at all. In fact, a lot of people have.

[D]

Them in the NFC Championship again, that, you know. The Chargers. I don't.

[B]

Chargers could be. Yeah, that's very possible that the Harbaugh experiment goes because he's got solid running backs right now. Yeah. So you think that that's not a bad one. The Chargers could sneak up on some people and do some damage. I don't think anybody's expecting them to even make the playoffs. Although, flirt with it. Dale, who do you have in the afc?

[C]

Well, in the afc, I'm just. I just pulled up because I want to remember all the teams. I think that Pete Carroll. And in Vegas.

[B]

You think the Raiders.

[C]

I think the Raiders are going to surprise.

[B]

Do they have enough talent?

[C]

I don't know, but I. I think Pete Carroll kind of has been an underrated coach. I think people like to make fun of him and chewing gum.

[D]

And he still has the Mojo.

[C]

Yeah, he still looks. He looks. Still looks cool and dapper at 70 like 75.

[B]

An old man.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I wonder about that because we talked about it a couple of weeks ago on this podcast. Is Pete Carroll worth two wins to that team?

[C]

I believe so.

[B]

And I think they won six last year.

[C]

Yeah. So I could see them being eight, nine.

[B]

That, that's, that's up there now if they can manage. If Pete Carroll's good for three. Geno Smith worth a couple wins.

[C]

You. I would think so.

[B]

Combined they're probably worth three more wins than the team that was on.

[C]

And so get. So give me a nine win Raider team that's going to be at least talked about in December.

[B]

That's sneaky because those nine wins will have to come against teams like Denver, Kansas City. They're going to have to beat at least one of their division rivals. Probably two of them.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And that changes everything in that division because that's going to be tighter than.

[C]

People think with that can see Kansas City going 10 and 7, 11 and 6.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And still haven't going to AC championship games. But during the regular season I can see them having some off weeks with.

[B]

Denver in their division now. And it's a lot more physical. The Raiders are definitely a physical team and now they're going to be a well coached, physical team. And I don't know if that they've had that right. Because Pierce, their coach, Antonio Pierce, I felt bad for him because he didn't have any weapons.

[C]

I didn't feel bad for him. Yeah.

[B]

All right. But he had no weapons. I mean Spillane was his. Was his big linebacker and that guy was a cast. Although he's playing well, he's going to go up to New England and I think they make noise. I think the Patriots are the team to watch in the afc. I think the Patriots are a team that can actually spoil some things. I think Vrabel's an amazing coach.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I really do. I think he did great things in Tennessee and brought. I mean they're a, they're a. A hair from. From winning it all.

[C]

Can the. Is a quarterback going to be all.

[B]

That up in New England? Well, that's the one thing Drake May is the one everybody keeps talking about having that step up year. He was good last year. But I mean you talk about a team that had nobody.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And they went and spent a lot of money and Mike Vrabel is a good coach with, with limited talent or young talent. He's proven that if Drake May is a third of what they want him to be, I think the Patriots will be that. I think they'll honestly, I think they can challenge the Bills. Their schedule stinks, at least in wins. They won't necessarily be better than the Bills, but they could sneak into 11, 12 wins if they're good and their schedule is what it is. Their schedule is easy.

[C]

Here's the thing that a lot of people don't take into account, whether you're the Bills, whether you're Kansas City and maybe even it's going to have a little happen a little bit to Philadelphia this year. The fact that you're used to playing in so many big games that all of a sudden now your third week in September and you're playing Atlanta.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Are you going to be mentally prepared?

[B]

Can you always have your foot on the accelerator? Here's the other one. And I know what you're going to accuse me of.

[C]

Of homerism.

[B]

Pittsburgh Steelers. They are being overlooked an awful lot just because Aaron Rodgers was with the jets and everybody's like, oh, he's spent, he's done now. He put up good numbers on a bad team on a team that was a catastrophe.

[D]

Earlier this morning when you said, I mean you had a better. You have an upgraded quarterback.

[B]

Completely.

[D]

Have probably one of the best quarterbacks. I guess the healthy thing is it's.

[B]

His age, 41 years. He's a little slower, but his arm is still strong. His ability to read a defense is still great. Arthur Smith's offense is tight end, heavy dump offs. They're hoping to get a running game. That'll be the key if they can move the ball consistently.

[C]

Did you say they won nine or ten games away?

[B]

They won ten.

[C]

They won ten games.

[B]

Ten three and lost their last four.

[C]

And again the quarterback thing was kind of a disaster at Pittsburgh last turned.

[B]

Into one and again they ran out of gas in December and they had a schedule that was just unbelievable at the end of the year.

[C]

You might be right. I could see them win in 11 games.

[B]

You get to 11, surprise you with 12 and really they play the Ravens close and this is the best on paper. This is the best the Steelers defense has been in a long time. And it's been good up until they were. They were like top five in defense until December where they were 29th. So I mean you look at the total overall numbers of the Steelers. If that team that they again Aaron Rodgers, health is so important. More important to them than most other teams. And everybody's team's quarterback being healthy is huge to this to this team, that is.

[C]

Who is their backup?

[B]

It's Mason Rudolph and he's fine. And Tomlin's proven he can win with him, but it's just going to be a nothing offense with Mason Rudolph because he's just not.

[D]

He's a backup, only the spark, like Will Howard.

[B]

No, don't start with the Ohio State.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Most likely. A team most likely to underachieve from expectations.

[D]

Well, the one I was going to throw in. The other one. What about the Vikings?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. Are they being overlooked?

[C]

Unknown.

[D]

You know, they're really high on J.J. mcCarthy.

[B]

Well, because they know the whole team is really good.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

So it's up to J.J. mcCarthy. It's a lot of pressure to put on J.J. mcCarthy. Although, like you said, you've been talking to people. He's. He's getting it done.

[C]

But people have said that according to the players in Minnesota, that he's the real deal. Yeah. And players. And they're also going to tell you if you're not the real deal. Yeah. And this isn't for national publicity. It's just talk.

[B]

You can sidestep the question if your guy's not great. I watched it last year with the Steelers. Oh, Russell's great. But when you go out, out of your way to go. You guys wait and see this. This is an outrageous show.

[C]

It's. It's like when in Dallas when we had Aikman and Steve Walsh and Jimmy was trying to make it a quarterback competition and all I don't know is it's like. Like the players knew.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Aikman was the much better quarterback in Little League.

[B]

You knew the kid who was better than all of us, even the good players.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You just knew that one kid had that extra thing. And I'm sure in the pros it's like, whoa, all these guys are great.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That dude stands different. He's just different. Yeah. And so I think that's a thing for a lot of J.J. mcCarthy is showing to. At least, you know, through this last season, too. They were talking, maybe he starts as a rookie. Like he. He showed up in preseason, got injured, which I think is the best thing.

[C]

That could happen to him. And I. I don't disagree with that.

[B]

And then he comes out this year and does the same thing. So a team that's going to underachieve. Afc, nfc.

[C]

Who is the other one I want to throw out? As. As. I think it's going to overachieve. Surprise. Because we didn't. At least I didn't do nfc. I think the Cardinals.

[B]

Oh, there you go.

[C]

I think the Cardinals have A chance to. To win the NFC West.

[B]

We've lived here too long. Tell them why it won't happen.

[C]

Because we can things in the Valley we cannot have. Good things this city cannot have. No.

[B]

A strong Cardinals team. Even the super bowl team was nine and seven. Yes.

[C]

And got shellacked in December a couple times.

[B]

Droid again holds the record for any team that's been to the super bowl that during the season was behind by 30 points or more in multiple games.

[C]

I never knew that they.

[B]

They were. They remember the jets and I think.

[C]

It was New England.

[B]

I think New England. And they. They 51 points and they were getting. Gotten plastered. They were down 30 points in like four or five games that year.

[C]

Went nine and seven and went nine and seven. Perfect for him.

[B]

End up with a home game because.

[C]

The only team that NFC championship was.

[B]

Here and it was the Eagles.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Who were a six seed and should have been better anyway. Yeah. That's. The Cardinals are potentially a surprise.

[C]

I like the coaching staff. I like the general manager. I think Colin Murray is a little better than people give him credit for. And I think he's got some weapon around.

[B]

But.

[C]

But much like I was going to happen.

[B]

Always say Brown's going to Brown, Bengals going to Bengal, Cardinals going to Cardinal. We don't know what the problem's going.

[C]

To be, but it's going to be something.

[B]

It's going to be something and it's showing up. What about a team that disappoints, a team that underachieves afc, nfc. You got one afc, nfc. And there's a lot of teams with high expectations, a lot of teams who are kind of middling. I think teams. Teams that are going to be like, all right, we overhyped the heck out of them at the early.

[D]

I would say, I think the 49ers.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There's a lot. They're getting a lot of hype. A lot of people talking.

[D]

I just think they're. They're so hyped up.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That in a weird way, like, they lost a lot of players and it's just like people are almost rooting for them to be great. Brock Purdy got his money. Christian McCaffrey's healthy again. They went out and got.

[C]

But how long will he be healthy?

[B]

Well, they were smart, though. They got Brian Robinson from the Commanders and that was a good move.

[D]

If you're looking at, like the vibe that is feeling like this is a disappointing year.

[B]

Yeah. Potentially. But I mean, would it be. Yeah, it would. Because they're hyped up because last year they were pretty bad. And Brock Purdy played great on a team that had nobody, but they got rid of all their receivers. They're, they're hoping for Ricky Pierce hall to take. I could see that one being like, everybody's saying they're going to win 10 or 11 games.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Really kind of been like, ah, we might have overshot this one a little bit.

[C]

Bit.

[B]

What about you, Dale?

[C]

If I'm looking at the nfc, I, I'm wondering about Detroit.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You've lost both coordinators. You know, we had the disappointment of last year. Stafford's what, 62 years old now?

[B]

Well, Stafford's not in Detroit. I mean, you're talking about golf. Tiny hands.

[C]

Yeah, tiny hands. I just, I, I think there's so much change there. And the head coach is rah, rah, rah, tough, tough dude and all that. And that sells for a little bit. Yeah. I don't know how much lasting power.

[D]

That has also in that last year when that, when, when they lost, but look at what you just felt like they, this was, it was tough. A blown opportunity.

[B]

It was a blown opportunity only in the idea that they should have won that game based on who they are. Yeah. But they'd lost. Not nine guys in the playoffs, did not play on their defense. They were down to third and fourth string linemen.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And still rattled off what, 12, 13 wins? I don't remember, were they 15 win team last year? 15 wins. I mean, Dan Campbell did a ridiculously good job, but to Dale's point, those were the coaches he picked to start this thing.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And now he's got a scramble for seconds.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Like Ben and, and Aaron were his guys.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Like, that was a. This we're the three amigos that we're gonna do. And then they both leave. And now he's like, all right, who else do I have have? And he's got to get guys that may be in the system that he's like, oh, I like what they're doing. Let's see if that. And you, you know better than anybody. A coordinator comes in, maybe was the favorite in the D line room.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But now he's the coordinator of the team and it's like, oh, no, no, no.

[C]

Well, I've seen that happen because in Dallas it was, it was just weird. Gary wanted coaches to stay and all that. I mean, when, when you get a guy like Dave Camp who's a defensive backs coach, he's Camp.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You rub his hair and you bust his chops.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And all Of a sudden he becomes defensive coordinators. Like, well, you're still camp.

[B]

You're just camps. Don't play with me. Like you're a tough guy. Yeah.

[C]

You're not going to change your personality, your camps. Then when he became the head coach, it was like nobody took him serious.

[B]

How do you establish that if you were campo, if you are the guys in Detroit, do you go into the room and go, hey, guys, I know we've been buddies the whole time. I got a new role here. So you're going to see a different version.

[C]

I think you have to address it. I think it's also easier to go from being like a defensive line coach in Detroit to the defensive coordinator on another team.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because when you're in that building, you have a. You have a certain role and that's how you're seen. I think it's going to be interesting to see.

[B]

Yeah, we'll see. And Detroit's the one for me. I think if anybody's going to have a fall off in the NFC and remain healthy doing it, it would be Detroit. I don't know if you can call it a fall off at this point. I don't know what the Cowboys are going to be. Do they have high expectations?

[D]

Feels like they only can go up.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. The only thing, if anything, they should be in the surpr category because it's like, man, if the Cowboys and their offense on paper is pretty electric, they.

[C]

Should be able to put up some points.

[B]

Prior to the Parsons trade, people were saying, oh, this, you know, Pickens and CD Lamb and how you going to stop this? And you got a scheme for this. And now it's like, well, they're going to have to score 30 points to win.

[C]

Well, and again, I. First of all, I think that Mike is probably getting a little too much credit. Yeah. Because again, the smartest thing I've. I've heard Jerry say in recent history is, yeah, we suffered against the run. We. We couldn't stop anybody. And guess what? Micah was very, very weak against the run because the way you. You can.

[B]

He's batting.

[C]

Neutralize him is run the ball right at him directly. Now he'll chase. Yeah. From behind. But you run Adam and yeah, you're gonna.

[B]

And it's not like he over pursues either. He's just a guy who just doesn't do well with the run. And when he does over pursue, it's just a straight line because now he can't catch it around.

[C]

But if you're 320 pounds left tackle and I'm going to run the ball at you 30 times. Yeah. You're not going to hold up to that.

[B]

No, no. And the other thing with Micah that we did see. And again back to the Jerry comment of saying, yeah, we're bad at the run, but you didn't address that. For three years you've been bad at the run and you never once got.

[C]

A Pro Bowl D.

[B]

He did though, to his credit. He. He got a better. If Micah was still there and that trade happened and you put Clark on that line, it negates the bad pick of Mozzie. Yeah. That guy.

[C]

It.

[B]

It negates your first round bust from two years ago.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So it's a good move. If you're like, oh, now we can. Now we're good up front. We're better up front. But we just lost the second level and that's bad. So I don't look at Dallas's defense as terrible. They're just not good.

[C]

No. And again, I think that they could price. I think most people are thinking they're a six win team. Yeah. Five or six wins and I.

[B]

What were they before with Mike?

[C]

Well, that's what I you.

[B]

I would have thought people put them around 10 or 11.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Because their offense got so much and their defense was not, you know, Diggs and Parsons and you got suddenly and they did lose, you know, Lawrence and a couple other dudes kind of like, nah, maybe they'll suffer a little, but they're going to put up points now. I think they have to put up points. That's amazing.

[D]

The perception or Micah. When you say like you run on them and all this but man, you don't get that. You can't just fan looking at him like this guy's the disruptor.

[B]

He gets splashy play. So he gets his name called on the splash. Yes. But what he doesn't get is discredit. When a dude blows through his gap or his assignment or he takes a wrong angle, he gets outside of something a little far and you know what you hear? What a great run.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, ran right past Parsons for Dallas.

[D]

As far as like, you know, for Dallas to win last year, how many points would they need to put on?

[C]

30.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

So they were up by the Bangles.

[B]

Well, they also had a lot of injuries and stuff like that. Two Parsons and stuff. So Dallas is last year to this year. I don't think you can comp it because they're. They're again like Detroit and Detroit overachieved. Fifteen wins with the team that was all banged up and the Cowboys got banged up and fell apart. They were competitive, but they couldn't win games. All right? And so, yeah, you look at that, you see in the afc, somebody that's just going to disappoint you completely, that you think, man, everybody's going crazy about this team, but prepare yourself for a letdown fan base in the afc.

[C]

You got. Does. Does Buffalo have another year in them?

[B]

Oh, you're putting them in the super bowl and you're asking that question.

[C]

I'm just. In my mind now, I'm just thinking, because I'm just looking at teams here, because who cares about Miami, the Jets?

[D]

What is going to happen to Miami?

[B]

Are they just done. He's just.

[C]

I think. I think they're doing well.

[B]

They're going to get McDaniel fired. And the good news is, is that. Is it McDaniel? Is that his name? Mike McDaniel? He's going to end up in O.C. somewhere and flourish.

[C]

And that's where. That's what he.

[B]

He's an oc? Yeah, yeah. He's. He's your buddy. Like, you can see it. Like, he's.

[C]

He's like Nor Turner. Nor Turner. One of the best OCS in the history of football. Yeah. He's not head coach.

[B]

You know what I see with Miami, that's bad. They ran Brian Flores out of town, and when he was there, that's the first time Miami ever did anything where you're like, miami's tough.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[B]

That's a strong team. That's kind of scary and physical. And the players hated it. Like, he was rough on him. So then they bring in McDaniel, who's everybody's pal, and he's running around to everybody's friend. And now that's their image. They look soft again. And Miami's always had that vibe of a resort town. You're never going to be that tough. Brian Flores had these guys running the football and stopping the defense, and you're like, man, they. They. They showed the league how to beat Lamar Jackson. Four years ago, they had a Thursday night game where they blitzed 90% of the time against Lamar Jackson, and he had no idea what to do. And it was just full zeros, like, banging out blitz after blitz, and Lamar was a mess. Well, tell me Steelers still do it, and they're still, fairly, other than the playoff game, fairly successful against that.

[C]

Tell me this is. Does Baltimore have another run in them?

[B]

Well, that's my big one.

[C]

You know, I Mean, you look at it, it's like they've been so close for so long.

[B]

Baltimore's the one that I could see finally kind of having a hiccup.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because they're so, like, everybody's just anointing them is like, the greatest. This, that, and the other. They got some age.

[D]

Definitely. This is a prime year.

[B]

It's huge. Can running backs like, you know, Derrick Henry do this again? This is. I mean, Derek's not exactly young, and the. The way the trend works in football is there's an immediate fall off to big run. Running back.

[C]

Yeah. Well, you usually hit that. That 30 number, and now he's beaten that.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And he beat it bad last year. I mean, he looked unreal last year.

[C]

Yes, but.

[B]

And I still think he's got a lot left. I don't know. That's just one of those teams that I see, like, all right, 15 wins. Everybody's like, oh, this is a shoe in. I don't see him as a shoe in. Because our division's tough, and you always.

[C]

Got to watch it off because of your hatred for them.

[B]

Well, and that's what I am trying to temper here, because I'm literally rooting for a of lot. Like flat tires on the plane.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That's different.

[C]

You want 3 and 14.

[B]

Oh, my God. Dale, don't. Don't. I'm going to open up pornhub any second. I keep talking like that, but yeah. The.

[C]

The. The.

[B]

The Ravens are a team that I think have such high expectations that their only thing they can do is. Is kind of stumble.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Like, if they don't win the super bowl, it's a complete mess in a lot of people's eyes, and I don't know what to do with that.

[C]

Between them and Buffalo.

[B]

Yeah, Buffalo's the other one. And Buffalo seems more like maybe the Ravens are one of those. All right, this is it, guys. You've, like, you've revamped it all. Let's see what you got.

[C]

Well, the Ravens have at least won a Super Bowl. Two. Yeah, they got two of them.

[B]

Don't remember.

[C]

Buffalo obviously hasn't.

[B]

That's enough of that. We don't need to talk about that. Gross. I think the Chiefs are another team to watch us. Potential.

[C]

You just. And you don't know when it's coming again. When we're in the midst of our downfall, we didn't feel it or see it coming.

[B]

You felt powerful.

[C]

You know, it just had trouble. All of a sudden. We don't got that fourth quarter in.

[B]

And people forget the Patriots had a 10 year gap between Super Bowls. Yeah, they had a nice little like nine or ten year run. They're still winning. Yes, but they had a nice little gap. They were like, they're done. Like, we didn't even notice this dynasty die. They've just always been hanging around. They're getting bounced by this team running on that. And then they lost Super Bowls. They were getting there.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But they weren't quite the same. You're like, ah, this is. We kept calling for their end and then at the end they did it again two or three more times. You're like, oh, my God. They.

[C]

Let's go to the coach.

[B]

Well, it must be. And it was, you know, he wasn't distracted by all that.

[C]

Ah, he didn't have a girlfriend back then.

[B]

That hot college chick that was hanging around. Yeah. So there's some stuff that goes on there that, that interests me in the ways of football. All right, here's some questions I wanted to hit before we close up. This is, this is.

[C]

Look at you. You did a little research.

[B]

I just did it in the other room. This is good stuff. All right. Michael Parsons, 13 sacks or more, yes or no?

[C]

No.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

You think he's going to go over 13? I think so, too. I think he's over 13. Aaron Rodgers, under or over 3, 500 yards.

[C]

He had about 3,500 last year. Right?

[B]

What do you have 3,800?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

With the Jets.

[C]

I just. For your sake, I just don't want that Achilles to blow in the first quarter.

[B]

Why would you say that?

[C]

I don't want it to happen.

[B]

Well, don't even bring it up. That 3,500 yards. Yeah.

[D]

Brady, just the way the Steelers run their offense, you know it.

[B]

Healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy. Survey. Saquon Barkley, 2300 yards from scrimmage.

[C]

Well, he almost had 2000.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Rushing and.

[B]

Yeah, and that was just rushing, Rushing.

[C]

I don't think he has that kind of.

[B]

That's why I'm asking.

[C]

I don't think he's gonna have that type of year again. I would take the under.

[B]

Take the under on 23. That's pretty reasonable.

[C]

He was healthy all year, too. Yeah.

[B]

I just picked a number out of thin air, thinking, all right, what is 1700 yards? Maybe 6, 700. And I don't know that they throw to him that much, but maybe they'll dance around that a little bit. I'm taking the under and take the under on 23. It's probably a safe one.

[C]

Because I don't think he plays all 17 games.

[B]

You don't?

[C]

No. I think he's gonna miss a couple. Well, two. Two straight years of carrying the ball as much as he has.

[B]

Dude was clobbering.

[C]

I know, I know.

[B]

All right, what do you think? I'll take the over and take the over on 2300. That's pretty. That's a. That's a. I think I'm going to lean on the over on that one.

[C]

Really? Barely.

[B]

Like, that's a number that I came over. All right. San Francisco stays healthy, yes or no?

[C]

Well, last two years tell you no, can't do it. You know, when you got cmc, who.

[B]

Who.

[C]

If he's healthy the year that he was healthy, they go to Super Bowl. When he's not healthy, they're going to be battling for the NFC West. I don't like the way you look. No, I just.

[B]

Look at the computers, can't find the time. There it is.

[C]

Okay, we're good. Every once in a while. You scare me when you're looking at.

[B]

I'm in control of this stuff over here. You just mind your.

[C]

Because we've had some issues.

[B]

Don't start getting observational now. Just focus on your thoughts and stay there.

[C]

I'm going to say no. They're not going to stay healthy. All right.

[B]

Brady.

[D]

I'm with Dale.

[B]

Yeah, I think they're better than they were last year. I think health's always their issue. I mean, how much bad luck can you get? A guy got shot last year on that team. Now, is he going to be everything they want him to be? It's not the bullet.

[C]

Maybe not. But again, they're. The key to them is. Is CMC. And if he stays healthy, they're going to win 10, 11 games.

[B]

You're already. Brandon Auk's already out. You got a couple guys in the line dinged up six games or something like that. How are they already getting injuries? Answer this question fairly. Pools, fantasies, parlays. We've gone too far. Let's get back to just picking games. Are you with me?

[C]

Well, as I told you, our notable cohort who's not here right now, I'm done picking his week one, and I.

[B]

Went through his game and I'm like, I'm not playing this. I will not do this.

[C]

Ten minutes into it, I'm like, hold on, where's that?

[B]

No, I am not going to spend an hour every 18 or every. Every day, every week, 18 weeks. I'm going to sit and stare at this Nightmare.

[C]

It.

[B]

I don't even know what the thing's called. You got to pick this. And that has to be six or more of these. And four of these happen. I'm like, I don't understand this. It's like ordering donuts, right? How many do I have?

[C]

Well, then he puts rules in where. Because I just let it auto pick and I would have won last week. But he goes, oh, if you auto pick, you can't win.

[B]

It's college. It's like, yeah, you can't win if you, if you win.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No matter how. Doesn't auto picking mean like, hey, my dog chose these. It doesn't matter how you pick it. Yeah, it's too many things that are going to. I like the old fashioned. Pick the damn games. Brady and I are in one. It's kind of fun, but looking at it this week, I'm like, are we going to do this every week? This is impossible. Two underdogs have to hit and two guarantees have to hit.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're like, all right, that's not right. And that's not so hard because it's four. But then you start going, are we going to debate this?

[C]

Nash is 20 games. You know, you're picking 20. It's like, come on, man.

[B]

And then suicide. What's college? Suicide pools. And you get into that and then you can buy back in. It's like, look, I remember picking games every week and there was a winner. Office pools. That's what I miss. I don't like all that and fantasy. I've never been.

[D]

I do like, I mean, I'm with you on like straight up betting. That's fine. I do like parlays.

[B]

Oh, parlays are fun because you get to choose them.

[D]

Right.

[B]

I don't want a guy telling me, all right, we got to pick a 16 team parlay and college and pros, and you have to have two guys.

[D]

But that's, you know, for amateur like me on that, when you hit a. Well, sure, eight or ten leg parlay, but you're play, you loot, you know, you lose 10.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You're proving my point.

[D]

Lose 40, win one.

[B]

Yeah, that's all it takes. You're proving my point. Keep it simple, man.

[C]

I'll tell you this. I like the suicide pool.

[B]

Suicide pools are fun as long as.

[C]

You have to pick one team.

[B]

Here's what I hate. They let you back in.

[C]

Oh, see, I. The ones I've done, you don't get back in, you're out, you're out.

[B]

Week one Your whole season can end. And I love that. I don't like these things where second place gets paid. I don't like any of that crap.

[C]

So late 90s, we did one of those with the Cowboys boys, and we 20 guys, I think threw a hundred bucks. Yeah. Guess how long it lasted?

[B]

Three weeks?

[C]

Five?

[B]

That's fun. And then somebody gets paid. And you can start a new one.

[C]

If you want to start a new one, but you can't buy your way back.

[B]

That's what I got into one. And I'm like, this is fun. And I missed. I picked the Bills to beat somebody. They the Jags or something. It was a couple years. I'm like, the jags beat them 10 to nine. And I'm like, this is ridiculous. I'm out. And they're like, for 40 more dollars, you can get back in. And I'm like, I see what's going on around here. This is just going to drain money from me. I'm already bad enough to pick.

[C]

And by the way, I just do want to let you know, know, according to the bet, the guy that comes on, the gambler who's really good, guy named Uncle Lou. Yeah. Comes on my other show, the main event. It's scintillating. Never heard of it with. With Steve McCollum. He said the biggest winner for Vegas is parlays. Oh, huge biggest winner. And that's why everything. Yeah, everything you see is parlays.

[B]

Parlays are the. Are the quarter slots. Like, they know that the rubes are going to come in, just pour their money in for the hopes of the jacket.

[D]

I feel like you know what you're doing.

[C]

Yeah. There's always one. Oh, it's just one away. Yeah.

[B]

Worst part about parlays is your brain's wrapped around it. Like. Yeah, well, you know, I'm watching this and we do it here. But it's like, yeah. You know, he plays and that guy in the left end is four sacks and he's against parson. So that guy's gonna.

[C]

Oh, shut up.

[B]

You don't know what kind of scheme they've got against this, you know, idea what's coming. Yeah, I. The gamblers are smart. They keep it simple.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

They look at the injury report on Wednesday, they make the line, and it's almost always right on.

[D]

I don't know how they do it.

[B]

College. Like, that's a 44 point line. And I'm like, I'm taking 40. 45 points later, I'm like, how did this happen?

[C]

The NFL. I can kind of understand because there's so much information out there. But they are dead off.

[B]

They're dead on.

[C]

I mean, that. That's why that hook. Yeah, the hook is so important.

[B]

Just catch all the hook is a mother. All right, Brady, you were taking. Oh, yeah, I forgot. I got to close it up. I forgot how to do this. All right, we get this. This is it. The end of the sports thing. It's a fake end for Dale hellistray, three time world champion for Brady bogan, luckiest man alive to be in a room with me, John Holmberg, host of holmberg's morning sickness again. That's right. And now you're in on this thing this week. Thanks for sitting in with us. And now we leave it the way we always do. Except for Dave's not here. But he gave Brady a topic. Lunatic with a bull horn. Brady bogan. Fill in for Dave Nash. I believe he gave you a topic. Go right ahead.

[D]

The topic he wanted me to cover, the conspiracy was, was there a moon landing?

[B]

And what did Dave say?

[D]

Absolutely not.

[B]

And why do you think Dave said that?

[D]

He didn't dive in too much.

[B]

Tell me why you would think there is no moon landing.

[D]

Well, I. I've heard, you know, a little bit on both sides, but I've always. I felt. I think there was.

[B]

Okay, doesn't matter. Tell me why there wasn't. Because the moon rocks, where are they?

[D]

The scientists. We have 200 plus moon rocks that you couldn't create here because of the elements that are involved in these rocks that they have.

[B]

Scientists, which ones?

[C]

The same one said the COVID shots.

[B]

That's what I was getting at right there.

[D]

The same one them all over the world. Okay, so that was the only thing because like it was said it was just u. S. Scientists.

[C]

Sure.

[D]

And we're the only ones that have.

[B]

The rocks or have we. They.

[D]

They've passed. They've passed the rocks around again, you could say. Well, have they or have they?

[B]

Yeah, have they? And does that mean we landed on the moon or we sent something and scooped something off the moon or found something that fell off the moon?

[D]

Yeah, so I guess that he's talking about more like the actual just walking moon. Was there a. What do you use, a seven iron, five iron?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what the distance of the. The shot was. I think it was 150 from Sea of Tranquility over the lake.

[C]

The one. The one thing is missing is the anger.

[B]

Yeah. He's got to be Mad about.

[C]

Yeah. You got to. Can you talk mad, Brady? You don't get mad.

[D]

I am so mad.

[B]

It's not convincing. You have to be angry that people think there was a moon. Moon lander. I'll ask you this.

[D]

I don't have enough.

[B]

You know, again, you don't have to have information.

[C]

Dave doesn't trying to make sense.

[D]

Not. Not the information but the compassion.

[B]

Yeah, that's the thing. You don't care. Yeah. But let's say you did.

[D]

Right?

[B]

What's the benefit of faking the moon landing? Make sense of it.

[D]

Okay. Well. One to win the space race.

[B]

Sure.

[D]

At the time.

[C]

Right. Right.

[D]

And bragging rights.

[B]

That's it. Bragging rights.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

No other reason to go to the moon. Because. I'll go out on a limb and say because.

[D]

But now we're absolutely fascinated by wanting to build on the moon and we.

[B]

Still don't go back. So to argue. The people who say we've never been to the moon, we just stopped going. No other countries figured it out you yet we're the only ones that figured out. We did it in eight years with less information on computers then than we.

[C]

Have 62 or something.

[B]

68.

[C]

68.

[B]

Or is it 69? 69.

[C]

68.

[B]

69.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So we never went back. Russia went broke by design. They've never tried to go back. And now we're like, we should build something up there. Shouldn't we go to it a couple more times?

[D]

They're already ready with anyways. There are plans as far as. Here's how we can build the.

[B]

I can draw blueprints of what they can build.

[D]

They're ready to go.

[B]

Are they?

[D]

And they're. Now they're launching rockets like crazy.

[B]

See, he's turning into lunatic with a bullhorn. Dale. This is as crazy as the other thing launching rockets. China launched when it crashed it into it on purpose because it's the best they've got.

[D]

Catching their rockets with toothpicks.

[B]

Yeah, well, that is pretty impressive.

[C]

What is interesting is you did bring a good point. Why haven't we been back? Back.

[B]

Why don't we sell the technology to a country that wants to go? Because our argument to why we don't go back is there's nothing there.

[C]

Right. So let.

[B]

Let somebody else.

[C]

Let's go to Mars now. Is that. Is that the new thing?

[B]

Why can't India go? Why can't India go? We won't give them the technology. They're like, can we have some of that?

[C]

Nope. Let Mexico go up there.

[B]

And again there's more technology in your cell phone than There isn't a computer that sent man to mar or to. To the moon. So India still can't figure that out. Every time I call a tech center, they're answering. So I think that. All right. Anyway.

[C]

All right.

[B]

I turned into lunatic with a bullhorn. That wasn't fair. All right. Nice job, boys. Brady, thanks for sitting in for Dale and Dave Nash. Brady Bogan. My name is John. We'll see you next time on the sports thing.