The Sports Thing Podcast w/Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 11 - 10-16-25

Summary

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Holmberg's Morning Sickness - The Sports Thing Podcast

Episode 11 – October 16, 2025
Holmberg, Hellestrae & Nash

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Overview

In this lively, digressive episode, John Holmberg hosts former Dallas Cowboy Dale Hellestrae and radio veteran Dave Nash for a fast-paced, wide-ranging talk about team culture in sports, player accountability, "players only" meetings, media narratives, and the changing mentality and values in sports from their playing days to today. The trio peppers the sports analysis with humor, storytelling, old-school vs. new-school gripes, philosophical tangents, and even conspiracy theories—culminating in a full-throated roast of the media’s coverage of the WNBA and broader commentary on culture, morality, and sports entertainment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sports Culture and "Players Only" Meetings

• Team Culture & Accountability: The hosts swap stories about their own high school and college sports experiences, focusing on team meetings and leadership dynamics.
  • Nash reflects on a mediocre baseball season despite a talented roster:
    "Winning is a habit, losing is a habit. It's hard to break that habit." (03:26–03:32)
  • Hellestrae admits that serious "players only" meetings typically only occur on losing or troubled teams, not successful ones:
    "I think we might have had one [players only meeting in Dallas]. That's when things were starting to go off the rails." (15:25–15:44)
• Tua Tagovailoa & Leadership: The group debates whether Miami quarterback Tua Tagovailoa was right to publicly air locker room grievances.
  • Holmberg argues that it's sometimes necessary to go public if private attempts fail:
    "He has to say, 'I've talked to you personally and John Holmberg hasn’t showed up to the last two meetings... so guess what? I'm going to try a different tactic.'" (16:39–16:58)
  • The hosts lament the "fragility" of modern athletes:
    "It starts in high school... You get mad at your coach, you can transfer." (30:00–30:06)

Timestamps:

• Nash's high school tales: 02:26–05:24
• Team leadership failures: 06:53–08:14
• Tua, Dolphins, and speaking out: 13:03–14:41, 16:39–18:18, 24:02–25:00

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2. The Changing Athlete Mentality

• Old School vs. New School:
  • Hellestrae and Nash recall a time when criticism from coaches or teammates was either expected or quickly brushed off. Today, they argue, some athletes are too coddled.
    • Hellestrae: "Now, you're professional, you get a lot of money and somebody yells at you or criticize[s] you and you're like, yeah, that's not right." (33:17–33:50)
    • Holmberg: "Between the ears, [players] are completely different." (34:01)
• Parental Shifts: Anecdotes about local parenting illuminate the change in how kids (and future athletes) are raised—less tough love, more protection.

Memorable Story:

• Hellestrae's childhood bike crash and his father's tough-love reaction:
  "...bloodied from the asphalt. Get your butt on the bike and let’s get home. I don’t want anyone to see you." (32:34–33:00)

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3. Media Control and Manufactured Narratives

• Media's Sports Agenda:

  • The episode repeatedly targets how the media inflates or manufactures stories—most notably, the comparison of the WNBA’s Las Vegas Aces to the NFL Patriots dynasty.
  • Nash: "If you ever had a podcast that just strictly was honest and said that girl can't play, she's terrible on defense... you'd get fired for being sexist. And that’s where that league wants equality but doesn’t want the critique." (54:18–54:51)
  • Holmberg confesses watching the entire segment just to see how far ESPN would push the comparison, mocking the exercise as a "slow-motion car crash." (48:06–48:22)

• “Hot Take” Culture:

  • They reveal that major sports media, like ESPN, actively assign panelists to play contrarian or provocative roles, even against their own beliefs:
    • Holmberg recounts an ESPN producer saying:
      "Who's gonna take the race angle? And no one in the room wanted it, but they demanded someone." (48:30–49:25)

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4. Sports Fixing, Conspiracies & Vegas

• Are the Big Games Fixed?
  • Nash brings up infamous moments (NFL’s “tuck rule,” Tim Donaghy NBA scandal) and makes the case that games can, and have been, manipulated to suit ratings or betting interests.
    • Nash: "I believe it's already happening in the NFL... when a game has an enormous amount of money unevenly on one side..." (61:31–61:50)
  • Holmberg proposes TV and gambling interests are all that's really stopping sports from being fixed outright:
    "The only thing keeping sports from being fixed, ironically, is gamblers, because they will kill people..." (60:30–60:46)

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5. The NFL, Values & Morals, and Modern Entertainment

• Morality and Culture Wars:

  • Discussions spiral into the decline of cultural values, the “satanic” pursuit of profit by the NFL (and American culture), and the provocations embedded in halftime shows.
    • Nash: "They don't care about America. They don't care about people. They care about money. They are satanic. They don't care." (72:14–72:22)

• Halftime Show Tangent: Bad Bunny’s upcoming Super Bowl performance sets Nash off about cultural decay, referencing past androgynous or “satanic” acts (David Bowie, Rolling Stones, Katy Perry).

  • Hellestrae: "I did not have on my bingo card Dave Nash bringing family values [and] Christianity first thing in..." (74:09–74:20)

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6. Listener Mail & Show Meta-Humor

• Show's Growing Pains:
  • Holmberg riffs on slow-releasing the show, joking about bad search placement and Dave Nash’s “love/hate” dynamic with fans—highlighted by a blind listener’s email:
    "He makes me wish I was deaf, too." (43:13–43:14)
  • The team plays up self-deprecating humor about having few listeners, promising that the unique chemistry is its own reward. (44:00–46:09)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Team Leadership:
  “The only problem I had with what Tua did was...there’s something wrong with that team anyway that you would need a players only meeting. That doesn’t happen on good teams.” — John Holmberg (13:31)
• On Generational Softness:
  “You are too tough for a jab to bother this pristine Adonis body.” — John Holmberg to Dale Hellestrae on refusing a vaccine for money (65:57)
• On ESPN Hot Takes:
  “At ESPN for a little while, it got to the point where the producers are like, alright, who's gonna take the angle that makes people mad?” — John Holmberg (48:30)
• Media Critique on WNBA Coverage:
  “It was a slow motion car crash of what are they willing to say next to try and sell me this nonsense that anything remotely close to the WNBA can be comped to the amazing achievements of a team I hated.” — John Holmberg (48:06)
• On Old-School Mentality:
  “If I went home in 1978 and told my dad, coach was mean to me today...‘What’d you do?’” — Dale Hellestrae (30:19)
• Listener Letter:
  “He makes me wish I was deaf too.” — Sean Rockefeller, blind listener (43:13)
• On Conspiracies & Sports Fixing:
  “Conspiracies are undefeated.” — Dave Nash (61:11)
• On American Values in Sports:
  “They care only about money. They are satanic.” — Dave Nash (72:14)
• Self-Awareness:
  “This was the satanic Holmberg’s podcast.” — Dave Nash closing the show (76:48)
• Closing Meta:
  “That’s the sports thing, with me, the devil, Dale the devil’s right hand, and Dave Nash, the only moral man left in all the world.” — John Holmberg (77:22)

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Important Topics (in order & by Timestamp)

| Segment / Topic | Start | End | |---------------------------------------------------|-----------|-----------| | Anecdotes on team leadership, players only mtgs. | 02:26 | 07:20 | | Tua Tagovailoa, Dolphins' leadership issues | 13:03 | 17:19 | | Media coverage, WNBA vs Patriots Dynasty | 47:17 | 55:06 | | Fixing sports & conspiracy theories | 60:15 | 65:12 | | Morality, “selling your soul”, “satanic” sports | 51:34 | 55:06; 72:08–74:44 | | Listener hate/love mail and show chemistry | 42:21 | 46:09 | | Parenting, old-school vs new athlete mentality | 30:00 | 34:01 | | Field/turf issues in NFL | 37:20 | 40:05 | | Cardinals, Kyler Murray, overpaying QBs | 66:31 | 69:58 | | Halftime shows & cultural decline | 71:41 | 74:44 |

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Tone & Style

• Sarcastic, irreverent, conversational, and unapologetically “old school.”
• Frequent comedic self-deprecation, callbacks, and playful antagonism between hosts.
• Unfiltered—no sacred cows, frequent tangents, and no hesitation about mixing sports with societal commentary.

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Summary for the New Listener

This episode of "The Sports Thing" is a rapid-fire banquet of sports talk, nostalgia, critique, and culture war commentary—anchored by three personalities who are amused, exasperated, and even occasionally philosophical about the evolution of sports and society. Whether dissecting leadership pitfalls in teams, roasting today's fragile athlete mentality, eviscerating media narratives, or bantering over conspiracy theories and halftime shows, Holmberg, Hellestrae, and Nash keep things unvarnished, un-PC, and unpredictably honest. If you want a podcast that's as likely to tackle "players only" meetings as to joke about Satanism in the NFL, this episode offers a wild play-by-play.

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Transcript

[A]

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[A]

I gotta hit record. There it is. Now we're started. This is that sports thing, otherwise known as John Holmberg sports podcast with temporary permanent guest Dale Hellstray and the rest.

[D]

I.

[A]

Am your host, John Holmberg and I am the host of the wildly successful 98 KUPD morning sickness along with three time world champion from the Dallas Cowboys way back in the day.

[E]

That is Dale Hellestray and former radio host Dave Nan.

[A]

All right, all right, I'll let you handle that.

[E]

Thank you. Because you're out of your mind.

[A]

What are you talking about?

[E]

I don't know.

[A]

I'm trying to find something for you with an intro.

[E]

That's it. I said it's like saying I've been.

[A]

Fired as a busboy.

[E]

Well, you can add that I probably that's happened.

[D]

I also have to say it might be the second most popular morning show and that's the main event in the morning. You can find that on robattv.com or you can go on your podcast system and just search Dale. You have it, Dale.

[A]

Hell, let's not go crazy.

[D]

There's some damn weight. Second favorite, the Last time the Cowboys won Super Bowl. Who was on that team?

[A]

Dale? Hell yes. I give you that credit. Three time world champion. I don't say former like Dave wants in front of his Dave wants. Those are glory days. Former high school superstar. I mean, that's just pathetic. Probably. Were you the high school superstar on the team and the baseball team? Pretty good, yeah. Was there anybody else on that team?

[E]

Actually, my. My high school senior year, we had three guys eventually play professional baseball.

[A]

No kidding.

[F]

And.

[E]

And I think our final record was 15 and 10.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

And we had three guys eventually from that team.

[A]

The rest of the team stunk.

[E]

Either that or me, me, me.

[A]

Oh, that's right. Too selfish. Too selfish. That was. Was that a problem? Was a little too much ego on your high school team?

[E]

Starting with you again, this goes back to. We were never really a good small school against playing small school with three professional athletes. We were small school and we're playing against high schools that were like, yeah, four or five times bigger with more. More students.

[A]

Tell that to Witchita State.

[D]

Yeah. Who?

[A]

Exactly. They used to go to the College World Series all the time. Small schools with. Yeah.

[E]

Not any. Yeah. When's the last time? Not anymore. Everyone's catching up with them. Anyway, Point is. Point is we were playing against a lot and. And we never was very good.

[A]

Right.

[E]

So winning is a habit, losing is a habit. It's hard to break that habit.

[A]

Get into why you couldn't change the culture with three professional baseball players.

[E]

We won the championship that year. That's the best I can say.

[A]

We did 15 and 10.

[G]

Yeah, I guess.

[E]

I don't know.

[D]

I don't.

[E]

Listen, I don't remember. Maybe the record was there. It wasn't very good, but put it that way.

[A]

Beer league sophomore.

[E]

When I look back at that, I think, Jesus, what were we doing?

[A]

So was it pitching? Was it attitude?

[D]

Was it. What was the point?

[A]

I think it was too.

[D]

That's why he won't say we're like him.

[A]

Well, that gets us into topic one. When was the players only team meeting to spruce up the other six deadbeats that you guys were making feel terrible?

[E]

We had player meetings, right? There was one day where good friend who ended up playing with the Phillies, he, you know, we got parents coming out there bringing us drinks and food, like pizza, whatever, and they're all carrying it. And I, and I said, hey, grab some help. And he's like, he just ignored me. That was it. At a player meeting right then and there, there we went right at it.

[A]

And because no One was getting along. There was a lot of like day.

[D]

I don't know.

[E]

But listen, hey, we got people. Hey, go help out. Go help out. Go help carry some and you piece of crap.

[A]

Well, see, maybe that was the approach was the problem.

[E]

Hey man, I'm not a good leader. What can I tell you?

[A]

Did you have a C on the jersey? Were you a captain of the team? Oh, there may have been a problem back.

[D]

John and I told him in the past, I said I would intentionally give up a couple sacks to see him get drilled.

[A]

What happens? Dale and Dave, to a certain degree, but I don't think you paid attention to real players meetings if you were the target of like somebody's attitude in this room needs to be different. I think we all know who I'm talking so to a tongue of IO was talking about Dave.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Not showing up for meetings. He's ignoring people when we ask questions. Were you a problem player?

[D]

No.

[A]

Were you too full of yourself?

[E]

No.

[A]

Team guy.

[E]

Yeah, full.

[D]

David, it took you two minutes to run around the bases. When you hit a home run, you had a problem.

[A]

Had a little.

[D]

You were a problem.

[E]

That was a mistake. That was a mistake.

[A]

Legendary home run.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Literally took a minute and a half trot.

[E]

You know, I mean, you know how when you hit a home run and everyone's cheering? Oh, of course everyone's cheering.

[D]

And.

[E]

By the time I got to third base, it was. You could hear crickets.

[A]

They were tired.

[E]

They were tired of. You're like, get around the bases already. What's wrong with you? And I actually walked around third base. Have you ever seen that? That's.

[A]

I know. You ate a pitch. Next time you.

[E]

No, I really didn't.

[A]

Nobody threw at you immediately after.

[E]

They probably should have. I have no argument with that.

[A]

Absolutely.

[D]

But he's. He's so stupid. He doesn't know if he's ever thrown at it or not.

[A]

Maybe he got hit so hard he forgot. I mean, I would have gone shoulder high too. I would have made you think I was head hunting.

[E]

No argument.

[A]

You walked around.

[E]

I walked around third base.

[A]

I'd have thrown at you before you got home.

[D]

Yeah, baseball.

[A]

Just give me the ball.

[E]

All my teammates were waiting for me at home plate. They already walked back to the.

[A]

Was it a walk off? No, it was just a regular game. 10 losses.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

No, we were.

[A]

We were winning and you jackassed your way around third base. Walking guilty players only. Team meeting.

[D]

Guilty.

[A]

And did it. Who talked to you on the team?

[E]

No, no, no one.

[A]

There's the Problem with that team?

[E]

No, hey, we did just fine.

[D]

I know somebody. Oh, man. Yes. You're a freshman and nobody sat your big ass down and said, dave, let's talk.

[E]

We were, we, our freshman class were the leaders of that team.

[D]

Is that right?

[A]

Well, there's another problem.

[E]

What can I tell you?

[A]

The rookies are running the asylum.

[E]

You know, I woke up, I woke up.

[A]

Somebody had to wake you, though. You don't just, you're not self aware enough to just go, you know what, that was wrong.

[D]

Somebody told coach didn't talk to you. Nobody said, hey, Dave, pick it up.

[E]

Oh, I think the coach made some snide comment about, you know, we want to get on to dinner.

[A]

Eventually the game started.

[E]

Another home run. We're never going to get out of here.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[E]

Something like that.

[A]

So you felt the, the cold, icy stares from your own players, like, all right, you're not the only one here, man.

[E]

It was my first college home run. I didn't really know. I didn't plan out the trot.

[A]

You didn't have a trot.

[E]

I know.

[A]

I didn't had a walker. It was a guide dog.

[E]

It was insane. I, you know, the only way I would have gone slower is if I would have went backwards.

[A]

Next home run, high tailing.

[E]

No, but, but I, I, I realized after that, you know, you really. I should probably get around the bases before they stop clapping.

[D]

Man.

[A]

That's embarrassing.

[E]

See that? I'm a learner.

[A]

Yeah, no, it takes some. Sometimes you got to touch the stove, you know, it's hot.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

I had no plans for it. I just, it just, just happened.

[A]

Were you a home run guy in high school? Yeah. You're one of those kind of low to the ground guys everybody hates pitching to. That's true.

[D]

His baby.

[A]

No, because you're, yeah. You got that bull, you got that little bull thing. I know for a fact your stance wasn't straight up and down. You're one of those guys. Your, your strike zone was a foot and a half and it pissed everybody off. And you uncoiled on both.

[D]

And the other thing I'll tell you about Dave is he said the hardest person he ever hit on a football field was a guy who tried to pick up his girlfriend in high school. Dave.

[A]

Mine wasn't on the game a lot.

[D]

Look at him.

[E]

Oh, and that goes back to like when the Cardinal coach hit the running.

[A]

Back and punched him.

[E]

I mean, I tell you what, so I was on fire. This game, this, this, this douchebag is hitting on my girlfriend. She Was.

[A]

In what ways?

[E]

What do you mean?

[A]

Let me ask you this, because when a guy hits on another guy's girl, the only reason you're mad is if you're, like, not sure if this is gonna work. No. Like, you think maybe that guy.

[D]

Rival high school. Rival high school.

[A]

But you. Then you have to. I understand that you'd be mad at him, but, like, were you concerned at all? Like, maybe she's going to switch?

[E]

No, I'm.

[D]

Listen, if. If.

[E]

If he. Yeah, that's what it is. If a guy's gonna hit on a girl or whatever, but when he's told, hey, that guy's got a boyfriend, and. And he keeps going, yeah, okay. He's. He's a douche.

[A]

Sure.

[E]

All right. And. And I. And I couldn't wait if. If. If I. Unfortunately, he was the center, so it feels like a hand, like a running back. I tackle him, get my hands around him, and choke the living life out of them.

[D]

Where'd your girlfriend work at? What was the place?

[E]

A W. Used to have a W. Rip your floats.

[B]

Right?

[E]

And, you know, they used to have the waitress, they go out to the.

[A]

Cars, and this guy made a move.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Did he tip her?

[E]

He kept. No, listen. He kept going there and. And like, saying, come on, sometimes you.

[A]

Just have to let your hot girlfriend get hit on because she brings home money that way.

[E]

That's fine, but. All right, now, this guy should have shut it down. He didn't. So I am. I am live.

[A]

So he went back for more after warnings.

[D]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Livid. And the game, I'm like. I'm, like, hitting everything that moves ice, and actually, you know, you ever get in that. That zone where you just. You can't do anything wrong and you're just. You're killing.

[A]

I've been in it for years.

[D]

So.

[E]

A matter of fact, so. So I picked off two passes that nice. And one, I ran back for a touchdown. And as I'm running back for the. With the touchdown, I'm doing the.

[A]

Where is he?

[E]

No, I'm doing the Deion Sanders thing.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Are you walking?

[E]

No, no, I'm screaming to him.

[A]

I'm.

[E]

I'm. I'm effingham.

[A]

What?

[E]

I'm screaming, yelling as I'm. And because I'm running by their. Their players. Yeah, he's running after me, and I'm doing this. And they called unsportsmanlike conduct, and they. They called the touchdown back. Oh, and my coach, when I got to the sidelines, he grabbed me in the by the helmet. And he's shaking me like, you do that again, you'll never see the field. Blah, blah, blah. And in comparison to what the Cardinal running back did, you know, I deserve that. Of course, that was. That was a selfish move on my part.

[D]

Very.

[E]

And so that's why it was. Hey, at that moment. Listen, I would have thrown the football if I knew I could have got my hands around his neck. I would have thrown them the football and just got. And just. He must have been strangling him as their scoring.

[A]

Yeah, he must have been super handsome.

[D]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. The one thing that I never heard from this story is here's Dave, a quarterback, defensive back. All right. You know, they're the athletes of the team. They better look at what this was. A center that was stealing this girl. That's why he's always been mad at me. Yeah. Since I showed him, among other things. You remind me of the guy who hit him up.

[A]

Joey White, Midwestern pile of milk that was making way with my girl. And you were a little worried.

[E]

Well, he was definitely better looking than me. But that's not saying a center.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

No.

[D]

That's why you want cameras in here.

[A]

Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to.

[D]

You need eye candy, John.

[A]

That's right.

[E]

I would like to try to forget that story. I don't want to talk about it.

[A]

That's a tough one. That's a tough one. But did you see that there was a trend in the way you behaved on the field in both baseball and football that when there was the spotlight, somebody wanted to dance.

[E]

Listen, I'm not proud of anything I've done in my life. Pretty much. I'm not proud of anything I've done.

[A]

So, Dale, when you played football, we're talking basically about the tua tongue of Iloa saying out loud. And I feel like. And I'll get heat for this. Like, I did the Gannon thing. I feel like it's the fragility of the. Of the modern day player that when they're. It's Mommy and daddy never told me I was wrong. So when they're reprimanded out loud, they're like, that's disrespectful. Keep it in house. And I get keeping things in house. But when things are falling apart like they are in Miami and you've got, let's say a Dave Nash quoting fingers on your team. That's.

[D]

I think they have a couple that's hot dog.

[A]

And. Yeah, they got a couple and they got some hot dogs and you're not winning. The only problem I had with what Tua did was and everybody's oh, you keep that in house. You keep that in house. Something's wrong with that team anyway that you would need a players only meeting. That doesn't happen on good teams, losing team, bad teams in trouble. Where one guy says this isn't getting better before it gets worse. We have to, we have to put some glue on this.

[D]

Right.

[A]

So Tua says in that thing and my problem with it was that two or three, three picks in that game.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Quarterbacks get heat for picks. But a lot of the times with, especially if you look at a modern day offense, it's a receiver making the wrong choice or making a pre snap read that isn't in the right thing. Tight ends going wrong on the Y option and all that. And he has to trust that these guys are there. So two of them might have bit his tongue by not saying names or saying look, if, if, if I got a tight end who's running the wrong option and I'm reading the wrong. It would have been a refreshing rather than the fragility of the player saying can't do that, can't do that. I think that's a bigger problem. I think another guy on his team should have stepped up. He might not have been right on how he said it, but two needed to say something. This team's in trouble.

[D]

If you are a couple of things. Number one, the quarterback thing is a guy who calls games. Yeah. I've called NFL games, called college games, called high school games. You saw this past Sunday with the Cardinals. Yeah. The wide receiver got bumped off his route, probably should have been called illegal contact downfield. It's a pick because the receiver was not where he was supposed to be. You saw it in the Super Bowl 30 Neil O'. Donnell. But he never called anybody out.

[A]

Right.

[D]

He just took Neil o' Donnell all the blame.

[A]

He ate super bowl where a guy named Corey Holiday ran the wrong.

[D]

Yes. Two times, twice. And gave Larry Brown a multimillion dollar contract. Gave us a Super bowl and Neil o' Donnell ate it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

When you go to players only meetings and you talk about that, number one, it is losing teams that do that most of the time. I think we might have one players only meeting in Dallas. That's when things were starting to go off the rails. Hey, let's get our, let's get everybody together and let's address it from our leaders.

[A]

Right?

[D]

Get your crap together. Right. You know, we Got a really good thing going. Let's not let it get derailed by you doing idiot stuff off the field.

[A]

Right?

[D]

But then if you're going to tell me that guys aren't showing up to players only, only meetings and you've obviously talked to them and they're still not showing up, I have a feeling to went up there with a purpose. He has to say, you know what, I've talked to you personally and John Holmberg hasn't showed up to the meeting the last two meetings that we've had. So guess what? I'm going to try a different tactic. And if there's anybody who's saying, oh, keep it in house. No, if guys aren't showing the players meetings and you've addressed them, which I'm almost 100% sure that they've been addressed, then you got to try a different way.

[A]

You have to address Mike McDaniels. Right? You have to. And he has to be the one that does it. And that's what I think may have happened. And two is I completely agree that he went up there with an agenda to say, I'm burning this because he takes a lot of heat. And he went up there, basically said, I talked to the coach. Still nothing changed. We had a players only meeting, guys didn't even show up. There's no leadership here. So, yeah, I threw three picks. But it's time for me to say something because get me out of here.

[E]

Oh, you mean, you mean the coach that wears the capri pants?

[A]

There's an argument.

[E]

I'm sure he's pretty strong in the, in the locker room.

[A]

Two coaches. Two coaches in. You know, three years ago it was cool because they were winning.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So you win.

[D]

I don't care. You come out there with a wig. Right.

[A]

Two coaches right now who wear capri pants in the NFL and combined their 1 and 9 because Aaron Glenn pulls his pants. Oh, does he wears sweats that are capried up.

[D]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

But the bottom line on that is, is that if you've got a team that needs players only meetings.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And they're not responding. I was, I went to. I had to do a HBO Hard Knocks was here in town following the Raiders around.

[D]

Remember a couple years ago you got to do one. You didn't have to.

[A]

I actually had to. No, I was asked by.

[D]

You were asked?

[A]

Yeah, I need that guy there in Phoenix. Come down here and help out. The theme man had Gruden all over me. Hey, man, Homburg's here, man. It's going to get better, man. So I go to this thing and it was right when Antonio Brown went crazy. Like, everybody knew he was a little off. The Steelers got rid of him on time and he went crazy. I'm at this thing. I might have told this already, but I was at this thing and Gruden is there. Frank Kendo was, who I was working with, and he was going to do a little thing for hard knocks for the team. And we were downtown.

[D]

He's well known for that.

[A]

He is, yes. And we went to the. To the Raiders were staying here in Phoenix. Went over there. I'm helping him, like, come up. We're doing bits outside, writing little quick things, like looking at stuff, making fun of Mike Glennon's neck and, like, joking around. He had a couple great lines. In the middle of this whole thing, there's chaos. The Raiders are gathering in the meeting room at the hotel.

[D]

Is this a preseason or pure chaos? Okay.

[A]

And we can't figure it out. And Gruden walks by, furious. You got a couple other coaches coming by, furious. You got the PR guy furious. Whoever the Dell Rimpam guy was from the Raiders was there. And we're like, what's going on? Like, we could sense the vibe. And the guy turns and he goes, well, if I knew where my effing receiver was, maybe we could do something. And there he was behind a curtain in the lobby, on the phone, dodging the meeting. So you saw him, saw feet which were burned up. Remember, he iced his feet and burned him up. So he's running around on his phone and then he just runs out of the hotel with the phone, knowing that they're looking for him and never came back. And that team knew it. And it was really weird because they. Frank went up, did his thing. The whole team's laughing. And then right when it ended. Anybody find Antonio? Man, I'm standing with him. Car. Gruden, Carr, Frank, me and Mike Mayock.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Was the GM at the time. And they were about to lose their mind.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And you could sense it. And then that's when you knew Gruden was in charge. Because everybody else, like, what are we going to do? And they kept going to him. I think he's out there. I think he's out here. It was the weirdest thing I've ever been around. Yeah, but that team imploded off of one guy.

[D]

Yes. And it's amazing when you got 53 guys in a logger. I can see it in basketball, especially when you got 12. One guy can really upset an entire log, baseball. You got 25, 26.

[A]

But still, he's got to be on the same page.

[D]

Yeah. But when you get 52, 53 guys. And when you were talking about that, the only time that I ever saw something like that, when we had to have a player's meeting, is about 97. Ish. Yeah. We were going downhill. Yeah. And we had this defensive lineman, he played for the Bears, Alonzo Spellman.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

And he's 6, 6, 3, 10 with 2% body fat, arms that were below his knees. He was a freak of nature. He was being medicated because he had ADD or ADHD or one of those things with a lot of letters.

[A]

We'll get to that in the last five minutes.

[D]

Yeah. There's no max in 97.

[A]

A lot of Tyler.

[D]

And it's like, okay, he's upsetting basically the entire locker room. Because when he would be off his meds, he was uncontrollable.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But when he was on his meds, he wasn't a dominant football player. Yeah. So there's that.

[E]

Well, Charles.

[D]

Medium. Charles Haley a little bit, but not to this extent.

[A]

It was worse than Haley.

[D]

Worse than Haley.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

And. And Haley could be controlled because winning controls. Winning helps everything. Yeah. And I don't think we win three Super Bowls without Charles Haley. And you talk about Troy, Michael, Emmett and all that. But. But Charles was kind of like the missing piece on our defense. Yeah. That brought. So. So we. It couldn't be just one guy with Spellman.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Because he probably obliterates you. Yeah. No matter who you were. So I had the entire team meeting and. And we all sat down, we talked and. Where nothing changed. Nothing and nothing changed. And we get.

[A]

And doesn't that mean there's a bigger problem with the higher ups?

[D]

All starts up here.

[A]

It's cancer.

[D]

Yes. Even Charles Haley under Jimmy Johnson. Yeah. They got into it a couple times. Jimmy sent him to the locker room towards the end of the second quarter of a game in Denver. Just get your ass off the field. And. And we all came in at halftime and Charles had broken stuff up and all that. Him and Jimmy went in the back room and. And you could hear the yelling and screaming and all that and trolls. Something clicked and he just stopped and he stopped acting like that.

[A]

See, but that to me just means it's fragile. Because if you're not winning, this will happen. Because Antonio Brown went to the Buccaneers, lost his mind in the middle of the season.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And he still won. And I think that's the thing you gotta look at, you're like, this is, this is a bunch of guys who can take terrible that you have to be so great to have that on your team. And that is what, 53 men on the roster. Chances are a couple of them are dicks.

[D]

Yeah. Oh, no doubt.

[A]

And you know, you're not going to get chances. Exactly. 53 people in one room. I don't care if they have common goals or not. There's somebody who's looking at, Dale's a jerk, you know, somebody's not going to like you.

[D]

Right.

[A]

But winning makes it so it's like you'll tolerate any behavior.

[D]

And the key is for three and a half hours on a Sunday or Thursday or Monday, I played next to guys that I don't like or don't like what they've done, you know, that they put their hands on their wives or whatever. And very few, because offensive linemen were protectors. They'll handle it, you know, and all that, and we'll deal with that in the locker room. But you play with guys who, you know, do stuff that is not acceptable. But yet for three hours on Sunday, if you ball out. Yeah, I've told you about Michael Irvin. I don't care what he does on Friday, Friday night, if he balls out.

[A]

At the facility.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, if he falls out on Sunday, I, I don't care. No, it was at the training camp facility.

[A]

So that's true. That's true. But I, I, I wonder, though, why we can't have a guy like Tua come out and say something like that without the media jumping down their throat immediately. Last week, David Carr was like, I don't like this at all. And it's like, why, if you were on a terrible team and you're the leader and you can't say, and you're looking at Troy Aikman did it. And that was because they won. His resume to. His resume is the problem. Troy Aikman, Tom Brady, Anybody good? Aaron Rodgers says, this is a mess.

[D]

Peyton Manning has been just out in public. What goes on behind when you see him screaming at Jeff Saturday on the side, what goes on in the locker room?

[A]

Well, and that's the thing. You can see it. And then everybody's like, well, that's supposed to happen, but when they talk about it, it's out of bounds. And I'm the only person, by the way, ever to broadcast that Antonio Brown mess, ever. And that was a disaster.

[D]

Right?

[A]

And then he went on and called Mike Mayock racial slurs. And the thing was a mess and it had to come from the media. And I always wonder, is it because the players are so fragile that that will break if it gets out, if the media gets hold of this? It can't, because I don't think it can destroy a good team. I think an already destroyed team has this happen and the Dolphins are already destroyed. So what's the answer? You unload everybody before the playoff deadline. I think football is about to turn into baseball, that when this team isn't working by the playoff deadline, we're selling everybody.

[D]

Well, I think if you're Miami again, we had this conversation, I think on this show a couple, a couple of episodes ago. The fact that when you look at Miami, they've adopted the Miami lifestyle. They play football like Miami Beach. Yeah, they're, they're, they're cool. And again, the capri pants and, and, and all that. And so they play like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Dallas is, Dallas has started to play the last five years. Like their stadium and their practice. Soft mahogany chandeliers.

[A]

All this stuff is like a spoiled kid.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Never, ever had to fight.

[D]

I'm never going to get sent to my room. Never get my cell phone taken away. And that's what you get.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[G]

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[A]

It time for fans to stop worrying about, oh, they had a players only meeting. If you hear they have a players only meeting, your team is not what team has ever come back from that.

[D]

Well, here's my thing. When I heard him say weekly.

[A]

Yeah. Every week.

[D]

Weekly. Yeah. There's obviously a lot of issues that we don't know about. I've heard of. I've been on teams where there's been one. Now, again, that 2 and 14 Buffalo team that I was on my rookie. We had players, only me. Yeah, we suck because you were terrible. It doesn't matter.

[A]

And it isn't because people are jackassing around because the team's just not good. And you're probably trying to figure out, what do we need to do.

[D]

Everybody said you think everything perfect. Yeah. For you to have a chance to win.

[A]

Yeah. And were you on the Rich Gannon team?

[D]

No.

[A]

Didn't he get drafted by. No, it was the Patriots that drafted him. Tried to make him a tight end or something. He had to bail out. It wasn't the Bills. Yeah. Yeah. I heard him talking about that the other day and I'm like, I didn't know that. So I forgot about that. Was Patriots, not Bills.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I always, I look at those terrible teams and I wonder, like, why anybody cares then, you know, to be devil's advocate, I watched my head coach there, Mike Tomlin, just call out a general manager by name, which is anti Tomlin and anti everything. Yeah. Nothing about Mike Tomlin says, I'm going to use a name and I'm going to. We keep that, you know, Good afternoon. I'm not going to mention this. He goes on and on about how he won't talk about it. They asked him about the trade of Joe Flacco from Cleveland to Cincinnati. He's like, evidently Andy Green is a Super G. Boom. GM's name is out.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And some are speculating who even knows.

[D]

The Cincinnati general manager.

[A]

And that's the thing he said. And people are speculating that he's protecting Kevin Stefanski, a fellow coach, to say, dude, no coach would ever sign off on this you don't give a quarterback needy team. We talked about it last week from your division, your starter a week ago just simply because your quarterback didn't crap the bed for four quarters.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And you're like, okay, we've got a new future. Three weeks ago, he was your starter on opening day.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

That's insane to trade him to a team. Mike Tomlin calls it out now. That's all the press talks about. So the fragility is very real because people like, is this a distraction? Can the Steelers win? It's like, why can't we? Why are football players so weakened by the facts? If someone from the team says it.

[D]

See, and I would push back on the fact that I think all athletes.

[A]

Okay, yeah, probably athletes.

[D]

Again, we're focused on football right now, but I think it starts in high school.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

To where? You know, just take a look at Arizona, much less other 49 states.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You get mad at your coach, you can transfer. Yeah, he's not. If I went home in 1978 and told my dad, coach was mean to me today. Coach called me a name.

[A]

What'd you do?

[D]

What'd you do? You don't talk like that.

[A]

My dad would watch the news and this is the difference between the 80s and today and the 70s were worse. My dad would watch the news and if anything happened near our home and I'm like a five mile radius. You didn't have anything to do with this, did you?

[E]

I'm like, it's. I was with you all day. I would question. I'd do the same thing. I question you in a heartbeat.

[A]

But in a weird way, it worked so well because I'm like, I can't be around. My dad pays attention to stuff he knows I wasn't at and wonders how are you involved.

[D]

I promise you it's parents I'm trying to coach. My daughter and son in law, they have a five year old grandson of mine, Graham. Graham. And he loves sports and all that. But I saw this meme on Facebook or whatever it's called, a little video and it's talking about your boys need to fall off the swing set. They need to get hurt. They need to do. And everyone wants to. No, I want to wrap him in Saran wrap and bubble wrap to make sure he doesn't. No boys are meant to get hurt.

[A]

You're supposed to touch the stove.

[D]

And then when you. My dad and I, little league baseball, we used to. He picked me up, I rode my bike. He come by practice, we'd ride our Bikes home. And every single time for about three years, we turn onto our street, it's about probably half a mile to our house. And nobody said anything, but we both started paddling faster and it turned into a race. And one time, my 10 year old Dale had a genius idea. There was a baby seat on the back of my dad's car bike. I said, I know, I'm gonna grab that, pull him back, catapult me, I'm gonna win. Genius didn't take into account of my front wheel's gonna start shaking and I go head over tea kettle in the middle of the street three times, according to my dad, because I don't remember it. And he stops his bike and looks at me, he said, bloodied for the asphalt. Get your butt on the bike and let's get home. I don't want anybody to see you.

[A]

I broke my arm playing football and I came home and my dad looked at my arm and he goes, ah, Jesus. I'm like, what happened? I fell back and I got. I landed funny and I broke my fall. I was dumb. Weak kids break their arms.

[D]

That's what he said. What?

[A]

He took me to the hospital. He was mad at me.

[D]

Well, you're taking time out of the day. I was ruining a day off.

[A]

I ruined a day off practicing.

[D]

But I think it starts there and then it goes into high school and then it goes into college and all these things where you can. You can soften your. Too soft. Yes. And everybody said, now you're professional, you get a lot of money and you. Somebody yells at you or criticize you and you're like, yeah, that's not right.

[A]

No, I worry about, like that. But again, that's the visual of today versus, like, I don't know if anybody who didn't watch football in the 90s looks at it today and says it's soft, but it is. I mean, that kind of stuff. Again, the Gannon thing last week, I totally agree. It was a soft thing. I just know you can't do it. And that's the thing that's going on right now. So this Tua Tonga Violoa thing to me is what a soft generation would do, which is blab about having a problem.

[D]

And I don't want to take anything away because I know people can take things. They're better athletes than we were. They're stronger, they're faster, they're. They got. They got all that. They would literally run circles around us back in the 90s and the 80s. But between the. Between the ears, completely Different. Yeah.

[A]

You're mentally small. I totally agree with that. Yeah. And I just. I just want to see. I. You know, and I look at that kind of stuff and. Did you guys ever have a thing with, you know, bulletin board material? I mean, was. It's real. Because, like, Dave, all you had to do was talk to his girlfriend. He's like, oh, she's leaving me. And he start games, and so he had the game of his life. Why can't you do that every week? Is what I would say to a coach.

[D]

Yeah, but that's. It's just like how many. I can't tell you how many times I've gone into the locker room at halftime where you're up 21 to 3 or whatever, and the coach goes, it's 00. You're going, no, coach. You're 21 3.

[A]

But you get mad at guys like Stefan Diggs who had a bone to pick with the bills, you know, moving them, and played that game of his life.

[D]

Why wouldn't you play like that every week?

[A]

Yeah. Why can't you find that you're capable of.

[E]

Because the game is played with humans who have human emotions. And you can't ramp up your emotions to a ceiling level every week or every day. You can't.

[A]

Why can't we forgive a guy who is forced to go stand in front of the media after a game, that he's furious and let him have some grace when he slips up again?

[E]

The point is, did he slip up?

[A]

Oh, no, I'm not saying he slipped up. You know, socially, you're not supposed to do that. But he's. You know, we have degrees of murder for a reason. Like, there's certain times, like, I don't like anybody in that locker room right now. And you know who's got to go talk to the media and face the music? Me. And you guys aren't even showing up for meetings.

[D]

Three guys who didn't show up, the players only meeting. Nobody knows who they. I didn't call their names out either.

[A]

He. He bit his tongue a little.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And it's.

[E]

He's just pissed.

[A]

And we never give grace.

[E]

As he should be. So I. So from the get go, I never thought he did anything wrong.

[A]

He didn't.

[E]

No.

[A]

But the media will make seem that way.

[E]

Miami full of maniacs.

[A]

But they run this thing.

[E]

Yes, they do.

[A]

And don't get me started on that. You're going to go down a media runs at all. I'm just saying. No, and that's very true that you. But Again, two is like I'm too emotional. Go talk to the media, you're getting fined. He had no choice. He went out, spoke his mind. Which we would love in the media world. Yeah, exactly. And finally he's like somebody's saying what they wanted to. We're not getting the pat you know gave 110% the organization. But you're getting some answers and then you bury them for it.

[D]

Yes. Yeah. Again, I didn't see all the follow up.

[A]

I guess I just don't became it became we're talking about it. Every sports thing is like what did to it do and everything. I have not seen anyone defend it.

[D]

Well, I am.

[A]

I would too.

[E]

And I.

[A]

And that's the thing that bugs me about that. It's like I want to defend it. Next thing to defend. And this is a thing too. And I know that this. Talk about a soft deal last week and being a Steelers fan I get a little annoying about it. But they played the Browns and after the game a guy named Miles Killebrew who not a lot of people know about, but he's a special teams captain for the Steelers. One of the smartest interviews I've ever watched. He's going to be a great coach someday. He's a special teams monster and that's what he is. And I know you guys had Bill Bates and Tasker in Buffalo. When they're special like that, there's something different. He's going to be an amazing coach. I think he busted his leg open on this thing and then it turned and the kickers were sliding. The turf went sideways and at the end of it, Aaron Rodgers said the playing surface was borderline unacceptable.

[D]

And what are they playing at in Pittsburgh?

[A]

And they've had problems with this before. He got a little heat for it and then two or three players are like, ah, it's the same field for both sides. That's kind of what Tomlin said. And I'm like, I'm not going out there. Breakneck speeds with 340 pound guys fast as me.

[D]

Right.

[A]

With the grass being half. But you guys, I thought about it played on concrete in three of the four stadiums in your division.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

I mean Philadelphia, the Meadowlands was the worst thing in the world and Dallas was no treat. No, the only one that was any good was the Washington. Washington.

[D]

Yeah. The rfk. And then coming out here. Yeah.

[A]

Oh yeah. Oh, I forgot. Arizona was in there.

[D]

Arizona was in there.

[A]

The philosopher wasn't. And that was an awful surface.

[D]

So the Philadelphia football field and it was A football baseball stadium. Yeah, Veterans stadium. And they would put the base guards in to cover the dirt.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And they were literally an inch and a half above what the playing surface was. And I would walk out of the field going, I'm so glad I'm not a skill guy. Yeah. I can't imagine running pass routes that. And 18 yard comeback. That's where I got to make my break. Yeah. Are you kidding me? There were. There was a game where dude blew out both ACLs. I think it was for the Bears playing the Eagles because of the field. Hey, come on. And grass. Grass is grass. Yeah. If it rained or whatever, you can only do so much.

[A]

But it didn't. You know, that's the problem. And so you look at that and like, how in this day and age, are we having turf issues? How in that. Like, that seemed intentional, doesn't it? Because I know the Giants used to do stuff on their thing to be like, we're the only ones who know that this little area is loose.

[D]

Well, San Francisco used to do that.

[A]

Did they?

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, they'd muck it up on.

[D]

Well, they muck it up or they put in. They only put in new turf between the hash marks, but on the outside it was muddy.

[A]

Slow you down.

[D]

Yeah. So slow you down. Or you know where it is. Yeah. You know, instead of, okay, I'm doing an 18 yard comeback and I plant and I'm down on the ground. Defensive back standing there for an interception.

[A]

See, I think that's the thing about Pittsburgh. Nobody's talking about. Everybody's mad like, oh, this happened. That happened. You could be. I think it felt almost like. And I don't know that the Steelers needed to worry about. It would have hurt them more than anything else. If the surface is bad, it's intentional. You can't have a bad surface. Today you're building.

[D]

You would think. Not new turf. Well, if you're in Pittsburgh, though, why wouldn't you have artificial turf? I just assume there's artificial turf.

[A]

No, they used to at Three Rivers, but acresher Hines has not had it and it's been a problem. And they replace it every five weeks.

[D]

Yes, I might. It's like putting an artificial turf is less expensive. There's no upkeep.

[A]

They replaced the grass turf in Pittsburgh after each at six games. And they have pit. The Pitt Panthers play there too.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And their high school championships are there. So this weekend, was it scheduled to get picked again? I just don't get that. Like, to me, that seemed like you're talking the softness of football. We better have a perfect surface or else. And it was everybody complaining.

[D]

They've actually said, I'm not playing on this field. Yeah, there's been those choice.

[A]

Right? Yeah. If anything, you'd not want to go in the Giant stadium and land on Hoffa because we all knew he was there. Let's talk a little bit about. Well, first thing, I want to get into this with Dave first. The show's been going on. We're like week nine, I guess. Week eight or nine. Right. Dave gets a little upset about the distribution of this incredible program.

[E]

But we're glad you're saying it.

[A]

I'll say it all day. I am intentionally slow leaking this to the public because I'm not sure you're going to go off the rails. And I don't want to lose my real job for you. Losing me get you tamed.

[D]

And by the way, this whole concept came about. Hey, the Dale and Dave Show. And John will be a guest host.

[A]

Now I'm in charge. You guys are on the ride for me. So the best part about this is just to let you know, we are doing numbers, which is surprise. Like, it's not bad to start off with. Like, not a lot of push. We're not overly. We're not inundating people with this. Just a casual mention.

[E]

I think it would actually be better if people can actually find a place to steer it.

[A]

Dave. They can. We got a lot of page 58.

[E]

Of your radio show.

[A]

That's just the way you handle computers.

[D]

Pop, Pop.

[A]

The fun part is I get feedback. And of course, we'll get a few. Dale will drive people nuts. The argument last week over Gannon and whether or not it was too far misconstrued. Some people heard things that didn't happen. Some people were on Dale's side, a couple people on my side. Very few on Dave's side. I started to notice that Dave was sort of an outlier. Then I got a couple emails saying, what does Nash do?

[E]

Nothing.

[A]

So we don't talk about that.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

And there's a guy who absolutely hates me, listens to the morning show. I do. Hates me on that. And listens to me here. And I just email back, thanks for listening. Because he's always there, right? One that stood out, the young man named Sean Rockefeller.

[D]

He was Rockefeller Rockefeller.

[E]

Well, he might be related to the Rockefellers who have hijacked our medical system.

[A]

Well, Sean, who was named listener of the year last year by my show because he's very funny. Unfunny email subject. I hate Dave Nash.

[E]

Hey, get in line behind my wife now.

[A]

Next. Next line was Dave Nash. Seriously drives me nuts. It doesn't matter what he says, it's that it's coming out of his mouth. Now. Here's what you need to know about Sean Rockefeller. He is sightless. He has no sight, he's blind. And in his last one it said he makes me wish I was deaf too. I have that way he doesn't know what you look like. So it's not one of those things where like for some reason I just want to punch this guy because the.

[D]

Way he looks, he does have punchable face.

[A]

I don't think you have one. I think visually you're not the guy I would cast as the person everybody hates. You're just an everyman. You have a voice though, to the blind that's very punchable.

[E]

Well, you know, I actually wanted to go into braille sales and I couldn't get in. And I've never underwind now.

[A]

I know, but that's how you know, Dave, that you got something here.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that people email hating someone and mostly it's you right now. But they don't come around.

[E]

Oh yeah, give.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And they, they've established opinions, but that's how you know it's making a mark. You've got an emotional blind guy that's trying to putting meat thermometers in his ears trying to end it.

[E]

I'm certain that there are many, many other people that are also hate what I'm saying.

[A]

Sure.

[E]

They just haven't wrote in yet.

[D]

It's not. But did you hear what he says? He said, roger, don't listen sometimes it's.

[E]

Not listening to you clowns.

[D]

He says, not what you said. Yeah, it's how you say out of your mouth.

[A]

You could say, I would like to give all my money and fundraise totally for a cure for blindness. And Rockefeller would be like that. Turn it off.

[D]

No, I hate that guy.

[A]

Yeah, we would hate it. I want all puppies to be safe. And I have a plan for that. He'd be like, ah, this guy, he just hates words. You could speak Ukrainian, he would hate hearing it. And I don't know why that is, but you have a beef with a blind guy and if you'd like, I'll have him, I'll fly him in and we'll have you two.

[E]

Fly him in from what?

[A]

Like he's in Ohio.

[E]

Desert island.

[A]

Yeah. He lives. He lives in Ohio. Yeah. The blind desert island where we keep them. Dave. Wow.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

I thought it was fun. So Dave's always given grief, and I'm like, people are listening. This has some legs. We're gonna slowly start pushing new ways, I think.

[E]

Well, again, if you go somewhere and you can't find. If you're going to the store and you're looking for jelly and there ain't no jelly on the shelves, you ain't gonna buy jelly.

[A]

This is why we don't tell people about it yet. Maybe they're looking for something that we're not providing.

[E]

All right, so all of the listeners so far are like Sherlock Holmes. They have found it somewhere.

[A]

No, I have a very popular radio show. We talk about it, they find it. Here's the fun part, though. I worked at a radio station years ago that changed formats, and they weren't quite sure what direction it was gonna go. They put up billboards that said, the all new 101.5, the Zone. Alternative music. Yeah, yeah. But they weren't. And everybody that went there went, that station sucks. And it was because we weren't ready to be rolled out yet. So you gotta do the basics.

[E]

I wanna warn you.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

I'm not gonna get any better than this. This is it. Okay. So if you're waiting for it to get better, it's not gonna get better.

[A]

It's not hinging on you getting better. It's the collective again. Here he is walking around, and I'm.

[E]

Looking at you and you, and I'm saying, you're not gonna get better either.

[A]

But the collective will grow as a singular, and our inadequacies will be masked by other people's capabilities.

[E]

The millions you're bringing in.

[A]

Dale will be strong where you're weak. Well, that's a lot of places I'm going to ask you to do some heavy lifting. I'm going to. Heavy lifting.

[E]

You're going to have a crippled try to.

[A]

You will be strong. Inadequacy. Where Dale is weak, I will always be strong.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

If yapping nonstop is strong, you will be strong.

[A]

You're accusing me of yapping. Oh, my God.

[D]

So John has gone from really not wanting to have anything to do with this show.

[A]

True.

[D]

Do they say, okay, I'll sit in? Yeah, do now. You know, it's kind of good. You know what? I am my name on it.

[A]

I'm Tom Hanks in a League of Their own. I don't want this job, but I'll take it. And then I'm going to make it worthwhile. I'm Taking over that kind of deal.

[E]

The globalist Tom Hanks.

[A]

All right, here we go. WNBA had their finals.

[E]

What's the wnba?

[A]

It's a woman basketball. Interesting.

[D]

Or Mercury.

[A]

I'm not talking about the game. I'm not talking about anything else. We're kind of stuck on a little bit today on a topic of media control of sports, which I know Dave is crazy about in the real. The regular world, too. Yes, I'm with you on that. I watched a serious news operation with the initials ESPN do a full 10 minute segment comparing to what the Las Vegas Aces did to what the patriots did from 2000 to 2020.

[D]

Really?

[A]

Somehow or another conflating the two things.

[E]

As even I'm, you know, I've called you a maniac before.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

But I'm gonna second that motion since you watched 10 minutes. I couldn't turn away Las Vegas Aces.

[A]

It was a slow motion car crash of what are they willing to say next to try and sell me this nonsense? That anything remotely close to the WNBA can be comped to the amazing achievements of a team I hated.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, what deserved that?

[D]

What? Goobers in the back room going, hey, I got an idea for a segment. Let's do this.

[A]

I talked with who's the lineman that used to be on the Broncos that was on ESPN for a while and we had him on a podcast that it was Frank Caliano for a while. And he said, and Mark Malone seconded this, that at ESPN for a little while. It got to the point where the producers are like, all right, who's gonna take the angle that makes people mad?

[D]

Right?

[A]

Who's gonna take the race angle? And no one in the room wanted it, but they demanded someone. And every once in a while Malone be like, I'll do it. I don't agree with any of it, but I'll do that and I'll go down that road and it makes for interesting time kills. Somewhere in that production meeting was, you know, this is as impressive as the Patriots. And someone had to roll their eyes and like, no, that's where we're going. And how in the world could you keep your job? Could you. What would you guys do to me if I brought that and said, guys, what the Las Vegas Ace? And I was serious. What the Las Vegas Aces just did is as impressive as what the Patriots.

[E]

We would have a player meeting.

[A]

Yeah, Meeting. Maybe this guy gotta go.

[D]

It would be okay. So Holmberg's attack on this show is gonna be. I'm going to say something more stupid each week. Each week I'm going to build on that.

[A]

Who agrees to be the person that says, yep, that's my take.

[D]

Well, I guess three. What's that number?

[E]

You.

[A]

I would not do that.

[E]

Oh, wait a minute. I just remember I actually found the show on page 67 of your podcast station and heard you say for money you would do anything. That's true. So we didn't got enough money.

[A]

Yes. And that's true of you as well, my friend. Yes.

[E]

No, that's it.

[A]

That'd be taking so many Covid vaccines if I gave you $2 million. I went to the doctor for a runny nose a couple of weeks ago. We made fun of. They gave you a shot too, and you need a surgery and they're going to put all that poison in your body so you feel better.

[D]

So I don't hear from a million dollars. You're not going to take a shot.

[A]

You wouldn't take a Covid shot for $5 million?

[D]

No. How about 10?

[A]

What's your number? 20 million?

[D]

No, you got a number.

[A]

200 million.

[E]

That's the difference.

[A]

Liar.

[E]

When you, when you sell your soul. Fine, sell your soul. Don't have Satan. And I've talked about Satan, Satanist stuff like this. And it's not that you're an evil, it's not that you're just strictly evil, but when you sell your convictions for $5 million for, for money. Yeah, that is, that's satanic. That is when, when you're giving your, your morals away for money, that's when you've lost it.

[A]

So I have. I am labeled a Satanist. But I have a yacht. But I have a yacht. Hey, hey.

[E]

Enjoy it, Beelzebub.

[A]

Climb aboard the Mephistopheles Waterway.

[D]

I've heard him since COVID Talk more about Christianity, God and the Bible.

[A]

Well, you know, the only people.

[D]

I never did that five years before.

[A]

That, the only people to get into this totally, the only people who are truly Satanists are religious people because they're the ones who believe Satan's real.

[E]

Correct. And, and, but, but, and, and here's the thing. All right, if you.

[D]

Where are we going?

[A]

We're talking about two, we're talking about real quick. Satanism.

[E]

If, if you believe in God, then there is a Satan. If you, if you believe there's no God, then there's no Satan.

[A]

Sure.

[E]

But you can enter, you can interreal interact God with good, Satan with, with evil.

[A]

Good and evil.

[E]

So that's it. So, so even if you don't believe in God and Satan, you can say God is good and Satan is evil.

[G]

Sure.

[D]

So that's.

[E]

It's just a different way.

[A]

You're not Satan if you $5 million take that shot.

[E]

Good and evil in this world. Can we agree with that?

[A]

I tell you free golf at the at Augusta for the rest of your life. You're taking a Covid jet. No lies.

[E]

No.

[A]

You and Tiger woods get around to golf every week for as long as you want it.

[E]

Keep tempting me Beelzebub. I will show you feels a bob.

[D]

He's never heard of Beelzebub in his life.

[E]

Keep tempting me ball.

[A]

I love it. All I'm talking about is the WNBA and somehow Satan got involved. And that makes sense to me.

[E]

That's how we got on this.

[A]

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[F]

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[A]

The WNBA and the next thing you know you're talking about morality, good, evil and all that. I just, I'm with you in a weird way. Yes. Would they pay me at ESPN to say take the approach of W Because nobody even I watched it and I don't remember who the lady was that was comparing it and the guy who was just neutered on TV by not going. You're out of your mind immediately. Like you cannot compare these things.

[D]

Although. Although Angel Reese at the Victorious.

[A]

Now that is Satan sexually tempting you with a player who didn't even make the playoffs.

[D]

I know.

[A]

So it's. It was a very. Why and this is the. The biggest reason the WNBA cannot succeed is because we've sat here for 40 minutes bashing on football players from the past, from the beginning. Guys with this. If you ever had a podcast that just strictly was honest and said that girl can't play, she's terrible on defense. Slow, worthless, weak, killing the team, you'd get fired from your regular job for being sexist. And that's where that league wants equality, but doesn't want the critique.

[D]

They want. They want raises the money they want raises it in publicity. They want TV contracts and all that. But you're correct. Along with that comes the. The criticism. Yep.

[A]

Yeah. How many guys have been just. Just railed. I mean, poor Rick. And Keel wanted to kill himself when he played baseball because he went through a. Mentally like he was done mentally as a human being. Beyond baseball. One of the best stories ever to come back and think of the things he had to come back from. The media pressure. You play in New York City. Just going there like the media is.

[D]

Going to be rough on you about Scott Norwood. And I know Scott Norwood. I mean, you know, he was a Pro bowl kicker that year.

[A]

Forever a joke.

[D]

He was a Pro bowl kicker that year.

[A]

He understood that that was the risk he took playing the game. Is that you can be a meme. You can be the joke. It'll never happen for the wnba. So I get frustrated. If they took the equal shots, then they could say the asinine nonsense that the wnba.

[D]

But still, you're not comparing the Aces to the Patriots. Please.

[A]

I would be hard pressed to compare any dynasty to that one.

[D]

You're not comparing the Chiefs to them. You're not comparing Golden State to that.

[A]

Steelers, you know, all the, all the Cowboys. 20 plus years with one quarterback and 16 AFC championship appearances. You can't.

[D]

There's never been anything like it and there probably will never be anything like it again.

[A]

I kind of hope not because I lived through that awesome moment. It's just asinine that the media allows that. And that's what we get our sports news from. And then you realize, oh, they're just trying to bait me into this nonsense. And they did they got me like all they wanted.

[D]

You spent 10 minutes doing that instead of cleaning up the house.

[A]

I got WNBA fans for that. Now, that's sexist. The good old fashioned stuff. And before we get into the rest of that baseball, we got the World Series going on or starting to think about that. Seattle looking at its first time in Milwaukee, coming back for the first time, somewhat 82 and the Harvey's wall bangers and pretty awesome baseball going on. And the worst nightmare is about to occur. Seattle, Seattle, Milwaukee, Seattle. Toronto is just as bad, even though Toronto is a big city.

[E]

Gets through and probably win it all because they have just the most talent.

[A]

See, I think Milwaukee's the most talented. I think LA is the most prepared. I think LA is just the most tested, I guess.

[D]

But see that, you look at the NBA. Yeah. Do you think that. Do you think they sat there in New York. Well, whatever avenue that is, Offices are. Yeah. Indiana, Oklahoma City. That's. That's what we're shooting for.

[A]

So as a sports fan, speaking of Satan and selling out, if I could tell you right now, I could fix this and the Dodgers could play Toronto instead of Seattle playing Milwaukee. As a sports fan, you'd be like, go ahead. If I could have gotten. If you're an executive, what is their motivation to not fix this World Series at this point? I mean, the Dodgers have to get in.

[D]

Well, you think they're bringing a lot of eyeballs. And here's the thing that, like, guys like us don't really understand unless we take a step back.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

The World Series, the Super bowl, the NBA Championship. It's not for guys like us who watch games and our fans and. What? It's the fringe people who. Oh, I'm going to tune in the World Series. I haven't watched a football game all year, but, hey, the Super Bowl. I'm going to turn. I'm going to watch Bad Bunny, Dave's favorite singer. You're getting the fringe people. Yeah. And. And you're right. World Series. Yeah. I hear Dodgers are playing in it. Yeah. Interesting, right?

[A]

What's a. What's a Brewer? Yeah.

[D]

No.

[A]

No fringe person has watched a single pitch of a Brewers game.

[D]

No. Who. Who's the big. What's his name?

[A]

Cal? Raleigh? Big Dumper.

[D]

Yeah, Big Dumper. Who's Big Dumper?

[A]

Fantastic marketing opportunity. But he's in Seattle. No one's going to care.

[E]

And did he steal your nickname, the Big Dumper?

[A]

That was his nickname here at work.

[E]

Right.

[D]

Bathroom.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

How. How on earth did Seattle go 16 innings? Oh, win the game, five to move on and then go to Milwaukee two days later and win a game.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they went to Toronto.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It was unbelievable. And a team that was resting.

[E]

Again, we've said, we've said this before.

[D]

You.

[E]

Too much rest.

[A]

Yeah. Not totally good. Baseball rest is bad.

[E]

Baseball rest is terrible.

[D]

Yeah, I agree.

[E]

You need to be playing all day and, and you can't simulate it. No, you can't.

[D]

You can say, we're going to play a similar game. Not happening. No.

[A]

And it's, you know, if you strike out, it doesn't matter.

[D]

I mean, as a football, I heard a coach go, all right, we're going game speed.

[A]

No, we're not. No, we're not. And if I make a mistake, I don't care.

[D]

Right there, not 75,000 people.

[A]

There's no, there's no consequence to a goof other than getting yelled at, which I already know when I go game speed. You'll see. Yeah, I, I look at this and I'm kind of like, man, and we have to realize sports is entertainment first and everything else. So I have to wonder, you know, what they like again. We've talked about that last week with the, with the NBA wanting Indiana and Oklahoma City, and they're fun. They'd have done anything they could to fix it. They just haven't figured out how yet.

[D]

Right.

[A]

I. I have to think baseball and the kind of.

[D]

Do you think that they think that they would be. They would be above going, making a phone call to the umpire and crew? No. You really think that that might be a possibility?

[A]

I think that the only thing stopping them is gamblers.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I think the only thing that keeps sports from being fixed, ironically, is gamblers, because they will kill people who. If they find out you fixed it, the Average Joe's, like, kind of like, oh, that's terrible.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I'm glad it's the Dodgers. At least I got, you know, a national interest or at least television executives.

[E]

When you say gamblers, you mean Vegas. And you will only see Vegas say something if they take a loss.

[A]

No, huge. That's true.

[E]

If, if the money works out that everyone was on the other team, that they got screwed. Vegas, you'd hear crickets.

[A]

Now you as a conspiracy. Conspiracy theorist.

[E]

It's not. Conspiracies are undefeated.

[A]

Oh, well, that's what I'm saying. Why wouldn't the conspiracy exist? Because as ruthless as Vegas is, television executives and ratings and marketing for TV and they're committed on ABC already to run that World Series. I mean, that kills them. If it's.

[E]

I believe that it's already happening in the NFL.

[A]

You think it's fixed?

[E]

Well, when a game has just an enormous amount of money unevenly on one side.

[D]

Right.

[E]

That I, I think, I think things happen. It happens with your Steeler game. Steeler team. And we talked about this, the game that ended up 11:10.

[A]

Oh, the Chargers game against the Chargers.

[E]

And, and this is how it ended. That game, that game, all the money was on Pittsburgh. I mean over 80% of money was on Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh had 14 penalties to three, whatever killed. And, and, and at the end of the game, San Diego being down, they start doing the, the, the razzle dazzle, razzle the pitch, naha yoo hoo stuff.

[A]

Right. That's what it's called.

[E]

And Troy Palomalu picked the ball up midair, ran in for a touchdown, which would have gave Pittsburgh a cover and a Vegas massive loss.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

The referees immediately said games clocks hit zero, game over, no score, 1110 final.

[A]

It's, it's, it's written in the Steeler. A lot of asterisks next to that game. Because we won that game technically 18 to 10.

[E]

Right.

[A]

But it was nine or. Yeah, it was, I think it ended 1710 because there was no field. But they didn't even do it. It's 11:10 in the official books.

[E]

Correct.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

And, and to me, because, you know, the officials, I think they signal touchdown. But then I think I got, they got the word from someone and their.

[D]

Little phones, you think Fred wins, calling them on their phone.

[A]

Ask a Steelers fan after watching that game if that was rigged. Because it was. And then you go back to 2005 when Joey Porter flat out said at the end of the game when they kept trying to bring the Colts back into that game because they wanted the Colts in that thing. And the Steelers got in the way, jumped out 14 nothing. And then the interception. Palomalo again intercepts, gets up, starts to run and accidentally knees the ball out of his own hands and like up didn't complete a football move. And that's the first time we ever heard that phrase. And they're like, what's that? And that's when Joey lifted his shirt.

[D]

Said, you try to cheat this, cheat.

[A]

This, because we still beat him. He even admitted, I think he got fined for saying this was rigged. And we overcame it.

[E]

And I think the Patriot Raider game.

[A]

Oh, the tuck rule, 100%.

[E]

Listen, you can, you can say it's conspiracy. I don't have any proof, but I'll tell you this. I've seen so many weird things happen. It happened in a game in college. USC against Utah. I forgot what team blocked the extra. Blocked the field goal at the end of the game, ran in for touchdown. They didn't call it. They didn't call it this.

[A]

Oh, I'm with Nash on this one. ESPN's got a hilarious segment called Bad Beats.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And it's now fun to lose sometimes when you just get screwed by something. They made it. They kind of got you thinking, like, well, it just. It happens so often. We can have a segment. There are times when you're like. And that masks it. When they can manufacture one. I truly. Look, it happened in the NBA and no one talks about it. They actually fixed games through referees. Yeah. Tim Donaghy to make the Lakers go past Portland in the finals.

[E]

Oh, well, I'm talking about. Well, Tim, they said, oh, professional sports is above getting games fixed. No, Tim Donahue did jail time for it.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

And so. So wait a minute. It happened there, but it's not happening anywhere else. Or it can't happen anywhere else.

[A]

It's like parents in Gilbert, not my son. Sure, it might happen, but I know we're not doing it.

[D]

How come they never came to my. To a long snapper analysis said, hey, here's $5 billion. Throw the game.

[A]

You'd have been one. Hey, Satan would have gotten to you.

[E]

Satanist. Meet the other Satanists.

[A]

We both are honest.

[D]

I didn't say I would take it.

[E]

You guys can sell yourself.

[A]

I actually have said you would take it to me before on the air.

[D]

So there's a. No, there's no. For everybody. Even for Nash Dash take the jab for a number.

[A]

I would not. Everyone's got his price.

[E]

Well, you know what? Test me.

[A]

I just did.

[E]

Test me.

[A]

I caught you.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Those lies. I'll strap you to a lie detector.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we'll come in here and say for. And we'll just keep the number going. Eventually it goes.

[E]

Bring him in.

[D]

I have a price on that because his. They can't go. I'm too tough for the chapter.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you are too tough for a jab to bother this pristine Adonis body.

[D]

All those layers of skin.

[A]

Hey, what kind of needle would they have to use taking an elephant?

[E]

Tranquil. Taking those vaccines are like playing Russian roulette. And I won't want to play Russian roulette.

[A]

1 in 6 chance anything bad happens. Spin the dial, man.

[D]

Come on, dance.

[A]

Live a little, you coward. Anyway, well, there you go. That's good. Anybody have anything else to add before we go? Oh, we didn't get to talk about the Cardinals with Kyler. And we'll get to that. We'll see how this weekend goes with Jacob.

[D]

Well, who do you play? Real quick, Quick. I play Brissette. Because here's the deal. If, if, if Kyler was not healthy enough last week, Brissette showed enough for me. And you, you play this week whether you beat Green Bay or not. Doubtful. But then you got a week off.

[A]

Hey, we said that the Colts would whack him all over the field.

[D]

And they played hard.

[A]

They played a really good game. They. Then they stepped up for Coach Gannon, which was like this team didn't implode. Like, we kind of thought maybe they were heading down that.

[E]

So do you think the Cardinals have buyers remorse paying KYLER MURRAY Over $40 million?

[A]

Hindsight? Absolutely.

[E]

And, and so I said it before, I'm going to say it again in regards to these teams spending that X amount of money on quarterbacks that aren't difference makers. All right, he's a starter, great, whatever, but he's not a difference maker. Teams need to wake up because they'll never be good. If you overpay for someone who is average, who is serviceable, you can't have.

[A]

A number one pick. And again, Dale's right. Arizona can't have nice things. The two number one overall picks we've had sports with Deandre Ayton and Kyler Murray are supposed to revolutionize franchises and not only to cross your fingers. You hope that your scouts and everybody else were right. Well, okay, they were both off that. These guys aren't revolutionary. So that's the big disappointment.

[E]

It's a crapshoot in regards to that. And you can look back and so many great players who weren't number one draft picks.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[E]

So. But point is, and I've talked about this before, it's, it's, it's a truth. There's an 8020 rule. And if you're a 20 percenter, then you get paid.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

If you're just an 80 percenter, you can, you can be shuffled in and out. You can put all those people in a blender, hit frappe and pull them out and it'll be, you're going to get the same credit.

[A]

It's easy to do after seven years. It's hard to do at year four when you're like, I've seen what I need to see. Maybe it's just he doesn't have enough around.

[E]

I, I'm sure Dale will say in the, in the locker room, you know, you know, in four years, we don't. They should know then.

[A]

Then that's on the entire franchise for not. And players included. Not recognizing Kyler isn't the man. Cuz the team never stepped up and said, what are we resigning for? Everybody was on board. That kid's got a ton of ability. The frustration is he can't jump the next hurdle.

[D]

Well, the whole thing is you look at quarterbacks and you talk about that. Difference makers. Yeah. There's five in the league that. But you're, you're, you're 80, 20 rule. But your concern as a franchise is I got a guy who's a little more than serviceable.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Can I replace him? And I don't. You don't think San Francisco said they're going. Brock Purdy is a great story covering a high school. Yeah. They're paying him $50 million this year. He's hurt again.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You don't think they're sitting there having buyer's remorse.

[A]

Injuries are a little different. The one who should, though, you look at the Giants and Daniel Jones, who are like, I'm not seeing everything. I don't want to take the chance. Give him 50 million and find out he's Kyler Murray. The Browns with Baker Mayfield. Meh. Rather give to Sean Watson, who's established the 50 million and kind of. We've seen 70% of what we need from Baker Mayfield. They threw him in there awfully early. Baker just needed a couple more years. Sam Darnold. Nobody wants to pay you when you don't. But that's the risk. And the Cardinals, to their credit, paid a guy because they thought we're close, and he just. He's not.

[D]

And now he's done it under two coaching staff.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[D]

Because that's the thing that will always jump to me. Both Mayfield and Darnold are two great examples. And now Indiana. Indiana Jones. All of a sudden, you go from a franchise that struggled. New York has had some ups, but not for a while. And you get to another franchise with an offensive coach and don't even recognize these. Indiana Jones, they're 5 and 1. Yeah.

[A]

Because of him and Jonathan Taylor, like, it's. Yeah, it's different. So, you know, I, I, I. It's easy in hindsight to look back and go, Kyle, you named all these.

[E]

Quarterbacks that are 80 percenters. They're good. They're fine. They're 80 percenters.

[D]

But.

[A]

Well, I mean, Baker Mayfield's about to be mvp. I mean, the argument of Baker and Jones being MVP is legitimate this year.

[F]

And, And.

[E]

And because, again, you take a. A legitimate, serviceable NFL quarterback and put him in a situation with talent around him and a good coach, and they can win. And we don't have the time for this. But I'll go over quarterback after quarterback in the history of the NFL who have either gone on to play in the super bowl or go into championship games, and they were just average quarterbacks at best. In a good situation, you can win with those guys.

[A]

I just got a thing that from Sean Rockefeller that said. Please. Dave said he's going to go on and on. Stop him now.

[D]

Why does Dave feel like he. He has to yell.

[A]

This is why Sean. This is why Sean wishes he was deaf as well.

[E]

Just feel sorry for my wife. She has to hear it every day.

[A]

She also has asked Sean if she wants to go into a group suicide. Death.

[E]

Totally understand.

[A]

All right, well, we're almost done. Do you have a good one today?

[E]

Not really. All I was going to say is, in regards to the NFL, they're evil. They're.

[D]

No, no, you don't have anything.

[A]

That's what I'm talking about.

[E]

The thing with the Bad Bunny.

[A]

Oh, here we go.

[E]

The Bad Bunny at halftime.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

I mean, who wants that? He's a guy that hates America. Won't even tour here. And then the NFL says, hey, we will open you. We'll welcome you with open arms.

[A]

Yeah. They're internationally targeting an audience that. America. They don't care about America. They don't.

[E]

They don't care about America. They don't care about people. They care about money. They are satanic. They don't care.

[A]

Spend an hour talking about football, and then at the end you say it's evil and satanic.

[E]

It is.

[A]

All right. I mean, I don't disagree with that, but, like, Bad Bunny is not going to do anything bad. How many. How many artists have been satanic on the field at halftime that we knew about?

[D]

Probably.

[A]

Well, you think almost all of them.

[E]

Probably.

[A]

You think so?

[E]

Probably.

[A]

No kidding.

[E]

It's that easy to say. I. I wouldn't say Michael Jackson.

[A]

You think he's the only one that was. He's the only one. I might be like, yeah, you're probably right about that.

[E]

No, I mean, Katy Perry, definitely. She. She said she sold herself.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

For music, so. Yes, but you said I did.

[A]

So, like, there's no getting out of this.

[E]

Rolling Stones.

[D]

Yeah. Come on.

[E]

They sold her soul to still be alive. Keith Richards. I swear to God. He's 157 years old. He looks the same today that he did 150 years ago.

[A]

So you think that what, you think that what's.

[E]

He made a pact with the devil?

[A]

What's the worst that happens from Bad Bunnies halftime show?

[E]

Nothing, other than the fact that you're trying to. To make this seem normal. A cross dressing. But that is.

[A]

If you went through your entire record collection from the 80s, you'd have to throw away almost everything if it was about androgynous performers.

[E]

And look at where our society is now.

[A]

Blame that.

[E]

Listen, you push the envelope. You keep pushing forward for this, but.

[A]

To me, I don't think it's any different than when David Bowie did it in the same way.

[E]

Exactly. And what's the difference again, where were we before David Bowie? They're probably doing families first, you know, good things, not satanic. And look where we at now. Where do you think we're going to be 20 years from now?

[D]

Okay, I did not have on my bingo card Dave Nash bringing family values, the first thing. Christianity.

[A]

Yeah, I know. We've talked a lot about it.

[D]

Satanism. I could have won a million dollars if I went to Fanduel.

[A]

And I'd have taken that million for anything you wanted me to do. Here's the fun thing, because everybody always hearkens back to that, well, where were we before? Right. And I'm going to throw you a curveball.

[D]

Go ahead.

[A]

All right. Everything was family values, this, that and the other. Prior to any David Bowie, trans, Alice Cooper, all that stuff.

[E]

They're working on it for years.

[A]

Beatles were questionable. They're long hair and everything else. Say that same thing to a black guy.

[E]

What about it?

[A]

How great things were prior to all that.

[E]

No, very true. And again, that's the whole thing. These globalists that want to change everything, they hate minorities. Yeah, they hate minorities. We as people, normal blue collar people, we don't have. We don't have that hate. They're just. They're just like, we are all on the same platform. We are all equal there. And that's the same thing about you. Look at the end zones. And it says in the NFL and racism. Yeah, hey, we voted in a black president. We ended racial. And you didn't hear white people go, oh my God, we have a black president. What's wrong with this country?

[A]

Some did.

[E]

And those are minuscule groups that are inconsequential.

[A]

Aren't the Satanists also.

[E]

Wait a minute, watch this. We voted in a black president. We didn't blink about it. And they have things in the end zone says end racism. They're trying to divide us and they're trying to say there's racism going on.

[A]

I know.

[E]

And. And it's not there. The people are still racing trying to divide us all.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Have you seen the Internet, by the way? If you ever go on Instagram, there's racism.

[E]

Oh, there's going to be lunatics out there everywhere.

[A]

Oh, it's.

[E]

But a majority of people don't see color. Yeah, they don't.

[A]

Well, that's foolish. I see color. I have to.

[E]

Yeah, you see green.

[A]

I see a lot of. That's exactly right. I don't care. Who's to going giving it to me. Black, Mexican, blue, green, yellow.

[D]

Give me a.

[A]

Give me that green. And I'm fine.

[D]

I thought that you dismiss me and you before you allow him.

[A]

I tried to, but I didn't.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The last five minutes brought to you by Dave Nash. That's it. That's fun. I enjoy that. I don't know what the hell that was for an hour and 13 minutes. That is.

[E]

This was the satanic Holmberg's podcast. But I can't.

[D]

Let's.

[E]

Let's move. Let's put Satanic in there somewhere.

[A]

Do you dislike Satanists? If I am, yes. So. But if I am one, yes. Here we are in the same room enjoying each other.

[E]

I'm trying to wake. I'm trying to open your eyes, John.

[A]

Come on.

[E]

Try to be a better wide open.

[A]

Looking for that briefcase.

[E]

Think of others.

[D]

I'm. I'm gonna get into my car and go, what the hell. I just listen and it would be.

[A]

The best one we've got. That's the sports thing with me, the devil.

[D]

Correct.

[A]

Dale, the devil's right hand and Dave Nash, the only moral man left in.

[E]

All the world, trying still.

[A]

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