The Sports Thing Podcast w/Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 14 - 11-06-25

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness presents: The Sports Thing Podcast

w/Holmberg, Hellestrae and Nash — Episode 14

Date: November 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into recent sports headlines — from a breathless recap of the epic 2025 World Series, to the ongoing drama with Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals, to basketball culture, wild ideas for NFL franchise ownership, and even a side trip into sports broadcasting, dog cloning, and voting. With the familiar chemistry among host John Holmberg, three-time Dallas Cowboys champion Dale Hellestrae, and personality Dave Nash, the conversation is as much about sports culture and personalities as about the games themselves.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Greatness and Humility in Sports

• The show opens with playful banter about personal humility (or lack thereof) when it comes to sports accomplishments and self-congratulation, likening attitudes in golf to those of superstar athletes like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.
  • Memorable Quote:
    • “I always look at, like, Tom Brady was one for years... He just assesses himself with the really good stuff.” — Dave Nash [04:00]

2. The 2025 World Series – Greatest of All Time?

• The hosts dive into the details of the 2025 World Series, calling it perhaps the "best...of our lifetimes" [06:15], comparing it to classics of the TV era and recounting the drama of Game 7 between the Dodgers and Blue Jays.
  • Holmberg shares a personal anecdote involving Jerry Colangelo predicting Luis Gonzalez's iconic ‘blooper’ in 2001.
  • The conversation highlights the rarity and magic of what they witnessed: multiple pitching duels, dramatic defensive plays, a nail-biting finish, and “magic moments” that define sports nostalgia.
  • Key Timestamps:
    • [06:15]–[15:25] — World Series Recap, details on the series & historical context
  • Quotes:
    • "That game seven, I was out of my seat four or five times." — Dave Nash [07:21]
    • "If this World Series ends on a review and they reverse it, I'll never watch another pitch of baseball in my life." — Dave Nash [11:30]
    • “To me, that’s the type of baseball I love. I’ve always said the glove is more exciting than the bat.” — Dave Nash [12:52]
  • The panel also critiques small details, such as a missed secondary lead at third base possibly costing the game — emphasizing that "little things...don't happen at that level" anymore [12:01].

3. Managerial Guts vs Analytics and Baseball Philosophy

• The men praise this year’s managers for making gut calls instead of strictly following analytics ("This was a guts World Series... It went back to gut calls." — Dave Nash [23:25]).
• Discussion branches to the pressure of making risky decisions in the biggest moments, and how managers are judged in hindsight only.

4. Personal Anecdotes and the Athlete's Mind Under Pressure

• Hellestrae shares stories about the pressure of big moments as an NFL long snapper, including Super Bowl nerves, equipment mishaps, and the importance of mental preparation ([17:00]–[20:10]).

  • Quote:
    • "Here's the first play of our Super Bowl in the Rose Bowl with 100,000 fans. I'm not thinking about TV watchers and all that, but I'm like, I can't screw this." — Dale Hellestrae [19:14]

• Dale tells a story about blowing a no-hitter in college by losing a fly ball in the sun, followed by practical insights about playing outfield and ball visibility ([26:53]–[29:25]).

  • Quote:
    • "If you keep your head between the ball and the sun, you'll never lose it." — Dale Hellestrae [28:17]

5. Coaching, Leadership, and "The It Factor"

• The group explores what makes a true leader — referencing Jimmy Johnson and Dave Campo as NFL coaches with and without “it,” and how athletes and teams react to leadership.
• This segues into an assessment of Kyler Murray's lack of “it factor” with the Cardinals: "I see body language on this Cardinals offense when Kyler Murray is out there that they kind of assume his body language." — John Holmberg [50:15]
• The contrast between the attitude and effect on team of different QBs (e.g., Jacoby Brissett and Baker Mayfield) is discussed.

6. The Kyler Murray/Cardinals Saga

• The show dives into the latest with Kyler Murray: his perceived lack of leadership, likely trade attempts, and why Arizona hasn't moved on, speculating about what goes on behind the scenes ([48:12]–[63:10]).
  • Notable Quotes:
    • "There's something else wrong. And the team does not respond to him." — Dave Nash [49:01]
    • "With the quarterback, when he steps into that huddle, you're either with him or you're not with him." — John Holmberg [55:08]
    • "How can most people see it and the general manager and the owner not see it?” — Dale Hellestrae [58:04]

7. Culture and Construction in Pro Sports

• The discussion turns to NBA team-building, with an emphasis on patience and the folly of “microwave teams.” The Oklahoma City Thunder are cited as a model for slow, stable franchise construction ([37:16]).

  • Quote:
    • "Everyone thinks it's just microwave teams... This is a human game. It's not a video game." — Dale Hellestrae [37:29]

• The Suns' early-season woes are discussed, including injuries and questions of effort versus accomplishment.

8. Wild Ownership & Relegation Proposals for the NFL

• Holmberg pitches a tongue-in-cheek "Holmberg Doctrine": after seven years without playoff appearance, NFL franchise owners would be forced to sell the team for the original purchase price [39:21].
  • The idea spirals into jokes about lottery ownership, collusion between teams, and comparisons to European soccer relegation.
  • Quotes:
    • "So you don't make the playoffs... you have got to sell your team for the cash equivalent of what you bought it for..." — Dave Nash [39:21]
    • "Not one owner would lose his team. But your team would not have seven-year droughts." — Dave Nash [42:41]
• The crew discusses how current NFL economics remove incentives for owners to actually win, as profits are ensured by massive TV and stadium deals.

9. Sports Officiating and Gambling

• Thought-provoking segment on officiating differences between baseball and football, and how gambling might affect integrity in different leagues (esp. after UFC and NBA controversies).

10. Broadcasting, Cloning, and Bizarre News Items

• The guys riff on sports broadcasting, language barriers (David Ortiz’s English on TV), and Tom Brady reportedly cloning his dog — speculating whether he’s cloning himself too.
  • Memorable Moment:
    • “Brady’s building a new Tom Brady. Let me be the first Don Quixote to start screaming at this windmill. This dude’s up to no good building a whole army of himself.” — Dave Nash [71:48]

11. Voting, Elections, and Society

• Dale ends with a mini-rant about his distrust of electronic voting and concerns about American elections, with Dave and John taking a typically irreverent approach to the seriousness of the subject ([73:26]–end).
  • Quote:
    • "In America you are not elected. You are selected by the upper class that want them to do your bidding." — Dale Hellestrae [75:06]
  • The segment ends in typical fashion: “Satanist me. There goes Dale. There goes Dave. That's it. The sports thing is over for yet another week.” — Dave Nash [78:03]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the World Series' greatness
  "That was spectacular... you can't ask for much better than what we got there." — Dave Nash [06:15]

• On gut managerial decisions
  "That was my favorite part of this World Series. It went back to gut calls." — Dave Nash [23:25]

• On Kyler Murray's leadership
  "He's amazing...but the quarterback, when he steps in that huddle, you're either with him or not." — John Holmberg [55:08]

• On sports leadership culture
  "Jimmy Johnson would walk into our team meeting room... you could feel him walking down the hallway. By the time he got to the door: dead quiet." — John Holmberg [49:01]

• On fast franchise building
  "Everyone thinks it's just microwave teams... This is a human game. It's not a video game." — Dale Hellestrae [37:29]

• On NFL profitability and lack of incentive to win
  “They don’t have to sell a sit-down ticket... Everything else was gravy... The hot dogs, the beer, the T-shirts, the parking, the ticket sales. Everything else was money in their hands.” — John Holmberg [46:29]

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Segment Timestamps Breakdown

• 00:47 – 06:00: Opening banter; humility in sports; golf stories
• 06:15 – 25:25: The 2025 World Series — full recap, key plays, managerial philosophy
• 25:26 – 30:34: Personal pressure stories; “the yips”; stories of choking and redemption
• 30:35 – 38:22: Officiating differences; integrity; gambling in sports
• 38:23 – 42:00: NBA and team building; Suns and Thunder; “microwave teams”
• 42:01 – 50:26: NFL ownership overhaul scheme; joke ideas for fandom and franchise movement
• 48:12 – 63:10: CARDINALS & KYLER MURRAY — leadership, contracts, trade speculation
• 63:11 – 72:22: Cultural bits — Matt Khalil’s infamous divorce, Tom Brady dog cloning theory
• 73:26 – 78:08: Riffing on voting, election fraud fears, American society — show close

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Final Thoughts

This episode puts the spotlight on sports as both game and culture, with the hosts' irreverence, strong opinions, and chemistry providing insight (and plenty of laughs/support for their wild ideas). The Sports Thing Podcast blends sharp sports analysis, behind-the-scenes stories, and barstool debate in a way that gives you the feel of sitting in on a spirited night at your favorite sports bar.

Whether you want a play-by-play retelling of one of baseball's all-time classics, a nuanced sports leadership debate, or just to laugh at the idea of Tom Brady running a one-man genetic dynasty, this is an episode worth catching — or reviewing here.

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellestra]

So that's the ones that this one isn't found on.

[Dave Nash]

Yes, it is. You just don't know how to search for things.

[Dale Hellestra]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

But you can find that. First of all, Dave, we should be honored. John came back.

[Dave Nash]

That's true.

[John Holmberg]

Awarded some honorarium or whatever and a statue.

[Dave Nash]

And Dale, we don't need to waste time every week.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, every every week.

[Dale Hellestra]

Clean his bathroom seat.

[Dave Nash]

Someone that honored me? No. I do a lot of work with pet charities and they've decided to start a. A fund in my name and they're gonna build a building.

[John Holmberg]

Now. Did you, did you start the fund? No, no, no.

[Dave Nash]

They seeded it with money and, and my name and I had already given and they matched my donation and started this.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

Very nice of them to do. And lost our home. Pet rescues got a lot of. A lot of people help. I do a lot for a lot of People, though there's a lot of statues. Pretty soon it's just going to look like, you know, one of those apocalyptic deals where they just put up fake people all over to fool the zombies. And all the fake people will be me.

[John Holmberg]

John, you are you. You have a lot of good qualities.

[Dave Nash]

I know, dude.

[John Holmberg]

You know that.

[Dave Nash]

One of them is my humility. I really appreciate that. Yeah. And all. You'll get there.

[John Holmberg]

It's kind of like when. When you golf with Dave, he has a lot of good golf shots.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And then I've just always been. It's been a habit of mine forever. You hit a good golf shot. Hey, nice shot.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Hey, good shot.

[Dave Nash]

And what's he say?

[John Holmberg]

I know.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, because it's a good shot.

[John Holmberg]

Or. Or when it wasn't really that good.

[Dave Nash]

I actually like that when Dave does that. I like when you say good, good shot. And he goes, yeah, I know. I. I don't have that. And I wish I did. Not a good golf shot. I can hit one every once in a while. But I'm just saying if somebody says, hey, nice shot, I don't have it in me too. Even though I know it was to actually say, I know I will. However, what Dave skips is the thank you. Yeah, that's the thing. Dave skips. If you say it to me, it's like, hey, hell of a drive, John.

[John Holmberg]

Right?

[Dave Nash]

I'll be like, thanks.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, say thanks.

[Dave Nash]

That's a good one. I got that one. That's me.

[John Holmberg]

Yes. He just says, that's 95% of golfers.

[Dave Nash]

That's true. Good people. He just says, I know, I'm a 5 percenter. What can I say? You are.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's a rarity.

[Dave Nash]

It is true.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm way up there.

[Dave Nash]

Dave can play. Dave can play some golf. So there is the aspect of that I always look at, like, Tom Brady was one for years. Was like, yeah, I really put a. Aaron Rodgers does it for the Steelers. I put a good ball out there. That was a really nice throw. Probably the best throw I've had. Like, he just assesses himself with the really good stuff, Right? And then sometimes you're like, that was spectacular. He's like, yeah, yeah. And that's where it ends. You're like, I don't have that. Baseball players can do it.

[Dale Hellestra]

You know?

[Dave Nash]

You know, I've got a really smooth stroke going right now. I feel really good about my swing. I'm putting a good. It's like you're really praising. You let other people. I always say, JLo is the one that bothers me the most about this because she's like 53 years old and she takes a picture of her own ass and puts it on Instagram and then has us comment on it.

[John Holmberg]

Right?

[Dave Nash]

We're supposed to want. We take the picture of your ass and put it on Instagram and then say, isn't this great? You don't point to the thing you're good at and go, look, everybody praise it.

[John Holmberg]

Okay?

[Dave Nash]

And that's what I feel like she does well. And I think Dave does it too.

[John Holmberg]

J. Lo's.

[Dave Nash]

Well, that's the point. Like her giving it to us is enough. Don't you. As the person saying, don't I have a nice ass? It negates the compliment. Like if Dave goes, hey guys, how about it for me? That was a heck of a golf shot. Which he does. No, I, yes, you do. I've seen you go, guys, come on. Did you see that? I've seen you do that.

[Dale Hellestra]

Nice try.

[Dave Nash]

Talking Stick. We were at Talking Stick and you hit a drive and you're like, you guys done chatter and you missed that drive. That was amazing.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't remember that.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, and you did pound it, John.

[Dale Hellestra]

You know what?

[Dave Nash]

You shaped it and you were proud of yourself.

[Dale Hellestra]

For all listeners out there, John's stories have half truth, half bs. How is that half BS call?

[John Holmberg]

All I know is when I started that story, when we first started this, I said, and Dave, I immediately saw his head go straight down cuz he knew where I was going.

[Dale Hellestra]

You have praised yourself and I, I'm not arguing any of it until the. Hey, look at that.

[Dave Nash]

You didn't arrogantly do it. Honestly, we were chatting and you said, did guys see that? Come on.

[Dale Hellestra]

I think give me some a, a comparison of your crappy shot.

[Dave Nash]

See, this isn't better.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's not better. But, but, but I'm definitely going to get in a shot here and there. And that was just a good way to get a shot.

[Dave Nash]

You swing well and you, you hit, you hit golf. He's a very good golfer and he knows it. Yes, and he'll let you know it.

[John Holmberg]

And he'll let you know.

[Dale Hellestra]

That was my way of letting you know, hey guys, maybe you want to take a lesson or two. See, this is possible.

[Dave Nash]

This is where your humility a second go like, please. My stories are. My stories are half true. Off half cocked and proved me right.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, it wasn't a. Hey, look at that. It was, it was that, hey, you guys should feel bad about yourself. That was what it was about.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, well, we didn't. We saw you walk back to the cart, you're like, well, at least I'm not him the rest of the time. All right, let's talk a little bit about what happened last week as the best World Series game I have ever witnessed in my life. And that goes back saying some stuff. We talked last week about the World Series being pretty absolute as a top fiver. I think it cemented itself as potentially the best of our lifetimes. I, you know, obviously you don't know prior to the Bill Mazeroski home run and God knows what back in the 60s and 40s and 50s and how many great moments there were that we never got to see televised or on tape later. But as far as the television era World Series, you can't ask for much better than what we got there. And the things that were done are legendary. We have. I always look at things in football. You have the Holy Roller, Dwight Clark's the Catch, you know, the Immaculate Reception, things that are named and immediately bring back the nostalgia. I think what we had here in the playoffs, obviously you have the Ohtani game. You go back and you have the Bieber Ohtani pitching duel in the World Series and then the Yamamoto series. This dude was ridiculous. Ridiculous. I didn't have a dog in this fight. And that game seven, I was out of my seat four or five times.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's, that's the thing I say, number one, I don't think for us Valley Heights. I don't think over top the 2001 World Series.

[Dave Nash]

Well, as far as emotion goes, yes, but as far as gameplay. And I didn't have any dogs in that hunt either.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, well, I did in that one.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And the Valley did. And so for that. But if you like think back now, it's been, what, 24 years? You think back, I think there were some not so good games in between there.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You know, and. And so then when you compare. I really enjoyed the fact that I didn't have a dog.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Fight. I just, I cheered everything.

[Dave Nash]

You just got to watch some just top notch quality play on top of some incredible stuff that was happening. Just magic things. That game 7 was so full of magic. I go back to that 2001 World Series and I remember the most magical part of it was personal to me because we had Jerry Colangelo, owner of the Diamondbacks, on the week of the World Series when they went in. And in 2001, that team was three years old. So it's unheard of that this was happening, but they bought it, right? So it wasn't so surprising that a team with that roster was there playing the mighty Yankees 911 that year. So you got the. He was on the show. And I said, you win a World Series in three years, you know, call your shot. What do you got here? And this was probably after game two. And he. Or actually it was right as they were going in. So it was right before game one. And he said, I just wanna. I just wanna get to a quick one. I said, you wanna go four games? He goes, no, I'd like to see it go all seven. I'm like, really?

[Dale Hellestra]

That's a lot more at the gate.

[Dave Nash]

That's a lot of money. Well, you know, for him, he gets the last two home games. He sweeps his head. So that dawned on me later. I'm like, okay, he's a businessman first. Second. I said, well, how do you want it to end? And he says, well, I'd just like to have. Bottom of the night. I'd like a, you know, get. Get the game winner to come up a walk off and a lucky. I asked him, I said, so, who do you want to hit the home run? He goes, I don't even care if it's a home run. Bloop went out into the outfield. Let. Let Gonzo bloop one into the outfield.

[John Holmberg]

He said that?

[Dave Nash]

And I said, give me the scenario. He goes, base is loaded. You know, we tie it up earlier. And then Gonzo hits a blooper and we're off the field winning. And I'm like, all right, I hope that happens. And it happened.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And. And that was the magic for that series. That series had some clunkers in it. There was like a 15, 4 game. Whatever was going on in New York was more just a team losing than two great teams competing to the end.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

Well, their clothes are blues Kim threw some. And then Brenley made the mistake of throwing him out there and saying, I trust you again. And he did it again and created Mr. November and Scott Brocious and Derek Jeter. You go to this year's World Series and all those same pieces were in play. Dave Roberts put a pitcher out there two days in a row. Now, keep in mind, we had a complete game in the World Series. When is the last time? Was it 91? Oh, Jack Morris. Jack Morris through 10 innings. 10. I mean, you don't see it. And the kid goes there, comes back for game six. Goes six innings of just ace baseball. Game seven wins again with three innings of great baseball. And keep in mind, he came in in the ninth with two on and one out, and they were in scoring position. And he hits the first batter.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

I mean, this was beyond storybook and unbelievable. And then the play at the plate and all the stuff that went on, I mean, you can't. This is just one of those things. I just wanted to stand up and clap. Like you don't see anything.

[John Holmberg]

You say all those things. You know, a thing that's kind of the same as, you know, when Schilling and Randy Johnson in the, in the, in the ninth inning. You know, one of them pitched in game six and came back. I think it was Randy came back in Game 7 to pitch the ninth inning. But the thing that I want to point out, it was so cleanly played.

[Dave Nash]

Incredible.

[John Holmberg]

You know, I mean, that. That bobble at second base almost gave up a run, but it didn't.

[Dave Nash]

And on top of that, the throw home, Will Smith's foot comes off of home plate just a little and has to tap back down before the slider. The Blue Jays are world champs. You forget that. If that ball does not get home, Blue Jays win the whole thing. Dodgers are world champs. Blue Jays missed by the hair.

[John Holmberg]

Literal inch.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, a literal inch. And it was. And I said when that happened, when they go, we're going to go to review. If this World Series ends on a review and they reverse it, I'll never watch another pitch of baseball in my life. And luckily it didn't.

[Dale Hellestra]

But I was actually disappointed about the fact that that's a case where as an ex professional baseball player, you need to be getting a better secondary lead at third base. And those are little things that don't happen at that level.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, they don't.

[Dale Hellestra]

They don't. I mean. And how close was it? I mean, it was just inches.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

If he gets another hop off third.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

How many times is the catcher throwing down the third you can get off? And I. And I remember I went back and I looked at and I thought, he's not really getting a good secondary lead.

[Dave Nash]

I didn't look.

[Dale Hellestra]

He's not getting a good secondary lead. He's not working to get that good secondary.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, you're right. Another half step and he's home.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, and it's game over. And. And I see that too much at the professional level. They're lazy. They're, you know, it doesn't matter in.

[Dave Nash]

Seventh game of the World Series or it's just complacent.

[Dale Hellestra]

They're not.

[John Holmberg]

Whatever.

[Dale Hellestra]

They're just not used.

[Dave Nash]

Isn't that third base coach, though? Hey, jump it a little bit. Well, we get the bases loaded, he.

[Dale Hellestra]

Better go say it quietly because he says, hey, get a better lead. Then the third baseman's going. He's going to give a sign to catch and say, hey, throw down.

[Dave Nash]

In a great way, though. And, you know, scenarios run through your head. To me, that's the type of baseball I love. I've always said the glove is more exciting than the bat. That's the thing I've all like about baseball. I love defense. And I also love when offenses force defense to make a play, put it in their hands to make the throw, make Will Smith in a pressure situation, throw down the third base. Like you said, they never do it. All he has to do is dirt it. Muncie has to pop it up and you're world champs. There's a lot of the pressures of old baseball. Suicide squeeze, you know, wheel route. They did a wheel route and a wheel play earlier in the playoffs. They don't do that anymore. And it puts an inordinate amount of pressure on the defense.

[Dale Hellestra]

And this is not. This is not secondary because I was thinking, and I said it out loud to my wife as it was going on that last at bat. You got first and third, one out.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't think they're going to throw down if whoever was on first tries to steal second.

[Dave Nash]

Remember?

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't remember. But. But point is, if you run. I think it was Burger. If you run, you take yourself out of the double play position.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Now, that is a tricky thing because if you get thrown out now you got two outs, one out, fly ball is going to score the guy. But I don't think they're going to throw down and he's going to. He's going to steal second and they're going to be out of the double play position. And then they've got to deal with. All right, do they walk him to face the next guy. But that catcher, Kirk whatever, he is a double play candidate.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Every day of the week.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

And. And they didn't do that. And I thought about it, but here it even happened. And that's a good. You know what? I'll give you the question. Now that you think about it, you being the manager.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Do you run him or do you not? Obviously after you see. After you hit a double play.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I probably should.

[John Holmberg]

Random.

[Dave Nash]

But here's the fun of.

[Dale Hellestra]

Should have been a thought right away.

[Dave Nash]

The fun of that is. And I'm totally with you you put the. To me, you put the pressure on the catcher and the second baseman to do both, throw to second, maybe get him out. And then you got a guy at third, and I don't know who was on third, if he had any wheels at all. The whole play there is to go. If there's a bobble or a hesitation, you're going home, force another throw. Game seven, the manager has to sit back and say, I'm going to be the biggest idiot in the world if this doesn't work.

[John Holmberg]

If I get thrown out, if I.

[Dave Nash]

Get a guy gunned at second and the third baseman. And my whole plan is get this guy at third to get us. And he gets gunned out. And now we've got an out at third. Third out at third. First and third out at third is taboo. Everything baseball. So managers, I think, play it a little bit like media savvy managers play it like, I know I'm not losing this game.

[Dale Hellestra]

That's right.

[Dave Nash]

So a double play is the. Is the hitter not getting it done?

[Dale Hellestra]

Correct.

[Dave Nash]

Rather than the manager taking too many steps and putting too much pressure on everybody on offense. But I am with you. In traditional baseball, you put the pressure on the guys with the ball, let them whip it around the field. But, I mean, it's the seventh game for them, too. That's a tough throw for Will Smith to make. I would have loved to have seen a steal right there. That's gutsy. Because what Dave Roberts did was insane. Putting a defensive center fielder in. And three plays later, he makes the best play of the series. And you know it better than anybody playing the outfield. As a center fielder, you're the captain. But if you're not in the flow of the game, the right field and the left field are like, we got this. You're not calling me off at anything. I don't know if your legs are tight or whatever. And he ran over a teammate to go center fielder, has the ball right. It was a great. It turned out to be an amazing play to put a defensive replacement in. And he. And he made it pass. One of the best defensive replacements in the history of baseball.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah. I want to throw a question to you, Dale, because in playing on it, like third down and you got to get the first down, whatever. I know as an ex player, when I was in those situations where it's really big, you get tingly and excited and nervous. But also, I mean, there's so many times that I'm, I'm. I'm playing in my head out there. In the outfield.

[John Holmberg]

All right.

[Dale Hellestra]

If he hits in the gap, here's what I got to go. I got to be ready for this. I, I'm readying in my head the situations of what can happen with the ball and how I'm be ready for it. And, and it. And that was the only way it took the nervousness out for me.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Because I don't know how nervous you were or how nervous your teammates were in regards to it's fourth down and.

[Dave Nash]

Well, him snapping the ball in clutch situations in games like that had to be incredibly pressure packed.

[John Holmberg]

They very. Yeah. Probably the most pressure packs that I've ever had was we were playing the Giants last game of the year. We win, it's overtime. We win, we get by a week and we get one seed. We lose. And we were playing the wild card round. That's when Amber heard his shoulder and, and, and all that. It's up in New York. The wind's blowing, it's cold. But yeah, I think those guys that you're talking about and you got to that level the fact that, you know, you, you run all those scenarios through your mind so that, that does take. You're not sitting there looking around going, there's 90,000 people. Yeah. Here in the stadium. There's 16 million, 26 million people watching me on TV and all that.

[Dave Nash]

It does not run through your brain.

[John Holmberg]

No. No. It didn't know. There's sometimes where the crowd being super loud. Yeah. Because sometimes like when I'm snapping on a punt, you can't hear the up back.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Well, what direction am I going?

[Dave Nash]

How do you know?

[John Holmberg]

Well, I look through my legs and I wait and I. And I make a little motion. So then he'll come up and.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, no kidding. Okay.

[John Holmberg]

I said that. That happened a few times. I'll never forget the first super bowl that we were in. Nobody told me. First time to plays very Super Bowl. Brand new balls used.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And we received the kickoff. We were, we were three and out about the seven yard line. Go out there, snap the ball. I like the ball in a certain way. So I went to move it, scored it out of my hand because it had that little film on, that slippery. It had that little film on. I went, this is a fricking Super Bowl.

[Dave Nash]

So when that jumps in your head, do you have the. How do you fight the doubt?

[John Holmberg]

I took a little off of it and I said, please get back there.

[Dave Nash]

No kidding. So the doubt lives.

[John Holmberg]

The doubt lived for that split second. Yes.

[Dave Nash]

Because once you get one off, you're like, I'm good.

[John Holmberg]

And then everything was fine after that. But here's the first play of our super bowl in the rose bowl with 100,000 fans. And I'm not thinking about TV watchers and all that, but I'm like, I can't. Screw this.

[Dave Nash]

Do you think more about the surroundings or don't let these guys down.

[John Holmberg]

I can't.

[Dave Nash]

I can't be the guy.

[John Holmberg]

No, you don't. You don't want your teammates down. Yeah. And you don't know how that game goes if you know there's a bad snap and block punt and all of a sudden seven nothing Buffalo.

[Dave Nash]

And have you ever had one? Did you ever have a pressure packed choke college?

[John Holmberg]

Well, I guess you could say my last. Oh, the Ravens.

[Dave Nash]

Well, that's fine by me if you were choking for the Ravens.

[John Holmberg]

I told this on the main event the other day. You know, as a snapper, you're struggling when about midway through the second quarter, you finally get a punt off and crowd cheers. And the crowd actually cheers for you.

[Dave Nash]

Because you've been rolling it all over.

[Dale Hellestra]

I've heard this story and maybe explain this though.

[Dave Nash]

It was cold.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

And.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, is this the one where you had too many clothes on?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I was practicing snapping on that call a driving range. And it was that 911 season.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And so they, they canceled those games. Is a Monday night game in Baltimore versus Minnesota. They moved it to the end of the season. So now we're in January in Baltimore instead of September in Baltimore. And I put on some layers. I went out and pregame to bend over. I was like. I had to take a deep breath so I could bend over.

[Dale Hellestra]

You look like the Michelin man out.

[Dave Nash]

There with all his layers.

[John Holmberg]

It was not good.

[Dave Nash]

Little Ralphie from A Christmas Story is his brother Randy. Yeah. So I look at that stuff and that's an interesting take on that to be in those situations, in those Giant games, World Series, Game 7, Super bowl, even, you know, even when Dave was in the beer league that he. It doesn't matter. Like that still happens in. In a clutch championship, even if it's your. I mean, obviously there's a drastic difference between the two, but your brain still does stuff. And some people have it. Yamamoto has it. He proved it. And that's Madison Bumgarner. That's the other one. You go back to the 14 series three times and then they bring him in in game seven and also close it. You start three games and we need you to finish one. You pitched every bit of that Series, the Bumgarner series. Some guys have it, and I don't think you know that until they show you that. And that, that gets managers fired, that gets general managers in trouble. That's like if Yamamoto went out there and just, you know, even after all those great performances and just blows it.

[John Holmberg]

Now, gives up six runs.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

I mean, he hits the first round, speaking of that, next guy knocks him stiff and the game's over. It's like, why did Dave Roberts do that?

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

Why did you trust him? It's such a fine line.

[Dale Hellestra]

Like, speaking of that, where was Clayton Kershaw? Was he just getting ready to go? Was he just the official cheerleader on the roster?

[Dave Nash]

He was on the. Look, the. The best part of what could have happened there was, is that Clayton Kershaw came out and closed that game. That would have been the only thing missing from what was otherwise just spectacular.

[John Holmberg]

You're saying if he brought him in.

[Dave Nash]

He brought that in and did that.

[Dale Hellestra]

But yeah, he got it done.

[Dave Nash]

But yeah, and he got it done, which is a big but. I'm talking like what you were saying is you do play those games for your teammates, but there are managers, like you said, run into second, steal, that put the pressure on them. If they get you as a manager, you're always the guy who, oh, until Jackass sent that runner, we were going to win that thing because fans will catastrophize it and then scenario it to death into, we are winning that series.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's kind of a no win situation because if he does steal it and whatever, people don't go, oh, well, what a ballsy call.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

They would have said, well, he might not hit in a double play or double play. We wouldn't even thought of that. I was thinking about him immediately.

[Dave Nash]

But if Schneider runs the guy, he's huge. If Roberts puts Pajas in center and he drops it, yeah, Roberts is a giant idiot. I mean, that is. That is the razor thin line.

[John Holmberg]

You guys have talked about players, managers, and coaches, too. Until you get in that situation, you don't know how you're going to react. Oh, well, I've done analytics all year long, but analytics doesn't say, bring this guy in the pitch yesterday, bring him in for three innings today.

[Dave Nash]

That was my favorite. I think you hit on it, Dale. That was my favorite part of this World Series. It went back to gut calls.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

This was a guts World Series and a big one. And Dave, you're 100% right. If he had more guts, he'd have probably tried to steal and get out of that double play with Kirk at the plate. It just was. So will you, won't you? And nobody made any terrible errors.

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Dave Nash]

There's just a lot of hindsight, like, oh, maybe. But you can't say anybody made mistakes.

[John Holmberg]

That guy dropped a ball that lost.

[Dave Nash]

Bill Buckner.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

Byun Hun Kim. Like the guys who are synonymous with, you know, I mean, obviously with the Cubs fan, Leon Durham lives forever as the guy who let the ball goes through his legs. And so many goofs. Even this year in the playoffs, when Kirkering for the Phillies in game seven, you know, bases loaded, ground ball back to the pitcher, and all he had to do was get it back to the catcher and he is eight feet to the right of the catcher and the game's over. Yes. I mean, that's the Kirkering game.

[John Holmberg]

Right, right.

[Dave Nash]

It lives with guys.

[John Holmberg]

I thought everybody played a clean game. It was cool. Like we said, the throw from the second baseman to catcher, he bobbled it a little bit at second base.

[Dave Nash]

If you've ever played in with the bases loaded at second and short, you know this. That ball jumps on you so fast. If there's no dirt under your feet and there's that coming right at is the worst one. And when Rojas had that and he stepped forward and then stepped back and lost his back leg, Any little Leaguer that's ever sat at second base said, that's that moment that I was saying, don't hit it to me, don't hit it to me, don't hit it to me. And it just launched right to him and he corrected it and got it. Guy was such a great.

[Dale Hellestra]

As a player that was in those situations, I was always more nervous for the ball that was hit to someone else. I was nervous for them. Wasn't nervous for me.

[Dave Nash]

Please.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I, I'm. I feel confident I know what I'm going to do when it's coming my way. I'm not sure when I'm. It's going to be a ball in the hole. What are we going to do with that? Yeah, what are we going to boot? Are we going to kick it? What are we going to do?

[Dave Nash]

I'm going to stop it if it comes at me. Hey, it's Brett Vesely and I'm here.

[Dale Hellestra]

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[Dave Nash]

Brett, the last thing you want to.

[Dale Hellestra]

Do is sell the gun to someone.

[John Holmberg]

Who can't legally own one.

[Dave Nash]

Tell him not to put himself at risk and come into M and P Guns where he'll get a fair offer and he can rest easy knowing it's not getting into the wrong hands.

[Dale Hellestra]

Okay, but what if he lives out of state?

[Dave Nash]

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[Dale Hellestra]

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[Dave Nash]

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[Dale Hellestra]

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[John Holmberg]

The other thing that I want to point out is when you said that, because I was going to ask you if you ever played in a game where your team was throwing a no hitter.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And I blew it.

[Dave Nash]

You did what?

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestra]

I just. I lost the ball in the sun.

[Dave Nash]

That's a guy from Arizona. Lose the ball in the sun.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, this was in Michigan.

[John Holmberg]

It was college. It was 9:30 at night.

[Dave Nash]

No, no.

[Dale Hellestra]

My, my. You'll know the name. My college roommate was Kevin Tapany.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

He pitched in the big leagues. I don't know, 10, 12, 13 years, whatever. Minnesota won some World Series. He was pitching no hitter and ball went up and right field, I'm in right field. It's the Sunfield. And you know, I just misplayed it and I lost it in the sun.

[Dave Nash]

Oh.

[Dale Hellestra]

And I think they even. I, I didn't touch it because I just lost it. But I think they gave me an error to.

[John Holmberg]

To.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, keep the no hitter.

[Dale Hellestra]

Keep the no hitter.

[John Holmberg]

And.

[Dale Hellestra]

And he did.

[Dave Nash]

There goes the perfect game. Yes. And that's you.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

You are the imperfect part of it.

[Dale Hellestra]

And actually, I'm going to. You want some inside knowledge on this?

[Dave Nash]

No, thank you, Dave.

[John Holmberg]

We'll move on now.

[Dave Nash]

Of course I did.

[John Holmberg]

Outfit like this, where you're going.

[Dave Nash]

Did you. I can't see it. I can't see it.

[John Holmberg]

Or did you just run right now?

[Dale Hellestra]

I went back and went into it and I kind of put my mitt out just like you.

[Dave Nash]

Charlie Browned it.

[Dale Hellestra]

Please, please hit my mitt, please. And I was close enough that he could have hit me in the face.

[Dave Nash]

I don't know.

[Dale Hellestra]

But I was. But no hitter. I'm like, oh, my God, I gotta just please catch it anyway, so. But eventually, you know, actually in playing with the Giants, one of minor league scouts was Dwayne Cecil. And he. He was a fantastic coach that showed me how to play the sun, which is. If you're an outfielder, if you keep your head between the ball and the sun, you'll never lose it. If the ball and the sun get on the same side of your head, it's going to go through it and you're going to lose it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's real simple. I probably have to sit here and walk you through how that works. Probably doesn't sound that good on radio or podcast or whatever the hell it's radio. But. But you got to learn that you've got to keep. So, like, if a ball is going into the gap.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

You've got to. You got to run hard and get to the gap. You got to get there as far as to make sure that ball and sun don't stay on the same side of your head.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

You got to get there and you got to keep them.

[Dave Nash]

Keep them separate.

[Dale Hellestra]

You got to angle it. Yeah, you got to keep them separate. Or you're. Or you. Or you could lose it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

And obviously you did.

[John Holmberg]

Not that I didn't know that. Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Wow.

[John Holmberg]

Well, and the other thing I was going to say, what's fascinating when you talk about the managers of this World Series and the players, the thing I found is as my daughters got older, they were competitive basketball players and in track and watching or slash coaching and not being able to have any control over the game versus actually playing in it and having control, I could live with. You know what? I need to pass block this guy, and he beats me. I can live with that. Easier than me watching from the sideline, watching somebody else.

[Dave Nash]

100%, it's a helplessness of other people's performance, and it's just. It's brutal to be. That's why being a fan is so fun. Is that you're excruciating or brutal? Right. It's just. It gives you the emotional tug and.

[John Holmberg]

And you just.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I got nothing. I got no say in this. That's why quarters and shoes and wearing the same jersey and superstitions kick in. It's like I gotta have some sort of a feeling that I'm affecting this game in some way because I'm so affected by it. Oh, it's so great. That World Series was one of the. One of the greatest things I've watched in sports in a long time.

[Dale Hellestra]

And. Did we talk about it last week? And we probably did. So this might be it. A. Just a repeat. But. But it's really hard for those umpires to make a difference in the game. That it's just pure baseball. Whereas unfortunately for me, every time I watch a football game, I look at the refs and I go, you're. You're changing the game.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. I say all the time, what's the spread?

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

This game, what just happened to make that guy make that right?

[Dale Hellestra]

It's excruciating. I. And unfortunately for me, as a lifelong fan, it's not as enjoyable to watch. The first thing I think about is how did this ref screw this up? And the game of football, unfortunately for me, is just a case of how it's officiated.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

You can call a penalty on every play.

[John Holmberg]

Yes. You could call holding every time. Every time the ball snapped. You could call legal contact defensively every time the ball's thrown. Baseball. And I know we don't talk about it, and it's not going to be a type of conversation, but did you see last weekend where even in the ufc, there was the irregular betting on something? Some guy took a fall.

[Dave Nash]

Well, that's the easiest one.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. But what I'm saying is you can't tell me that basketball. I haven't heard. I haven't heard a peep of that in three weeks.

[Dave Nash]

That went away.

[John Holmberg]

Not one peep.

[Dave Nash]

It was a huge deal. It still isn't it.

[John Holmberg]

And so once it becomes known that gambling could affect games.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Then, you know, right now we're all thinking it can or thinking it does. But if somebody comes out and says, yeah, that referee was on the take, then all of a sudden, now you.

[Dave Nash]

Got to question everything mathematically. It's Baseball is harder to do that with because it's way harder.

[Dale Hellestra]

Because again, even if a guy pinches me on a strike and calls a strike that's obviously ball already missed or whatever, I should have two more strikes. Or if it's on. If it's on a two strike call, I need to be a little. I have to increase my strike zone a little bit because I don't know if he's going to make a bad call.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

But. But it's really hard to just totally screw you over in baseball.

[Dave Nash]

Now let's switch gears. Anybody? Are you guys watching basketball at all? The Suns are obviously our local guys and they're. They're interesting. I suppose they're frustrating because two guys who never got hurt somewhere else can't seem to get on the court here, which is beyond frustrating for the season ticket.

[John Holmberg]

Brooks played 82 and 82 games last two years.

[Dave Nash]

Two years in a row has not missed and can't get on the court for the first seven here.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

He was on for a little bit and then out and also played through getting, you know, his head knocked off in the opener.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

So you're just kind of like, what happened? Jalen Green is not a fragile player.

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Dave Nash]

And they can't get on the floor. So the Suns are kind of a question mark on anything anyway. But we haven't seen their starting rotation and now you're going to get guys bouncing around. So you don't know what to expect there. Basketball to me has lost all its goodwill from the 2020 bubble, which was so insanely exciting. And what they did to the general public was try to be the politically correct super thing that was going on in 2020. Remember the summer of COVID and all the marches and all the politics and they put stuff on their jerseys and they had messages all over. They're the only sport that read the room ever and said the fans are hating this. And they stopped it. We're just gonna stay out of that world.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

And they did a good job of it. And I think that garnered a lot of goodwill coming out of that saying, thank you for not pushing this down our throat. We get it. But because the game is so incredibly hard to watch, because it seems like the guys will just play when they feel like it that nobody's interested in the NBA anymore. I love the game. I'm falling out of love with it. It is tough to go. I don't know how or you used to know if Charles Barkley hurt his foot. Okay. He'll be back for The Sacramento game in two weeks. You just knew he'd want to come back.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

These guys are like, ah, it's been let me touch string for a month. Or you know, it's crazy.

[John Holmberg]

I was erode a couple times. Different topics there. I think we talk about the load management thing. It gets sick to our stomach. It's.

[Dave Nash]

But they're not calling it that anymore. Of course. They're not just hurting sickening because it's.

[Dale Hellestra]

Disgusting some more nice term.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Well, because people got tired hearing load management. So now. Now it's an injury but if we bring it local to the sun. So one thing I will say about them this early in the season, yeah to me they're a fun watch. They hustle, they play defense, they rebound. Now the shooting, it's going to come and go. The other night it was horrendous against goals. They. But they've had a couple of games where they're hitting their shots.

[Dave Nash]

They're inconsistent with shooting, that's one thing.

[John Holmberg]

But they're giving effort. The guys that are on that court.

[Dave Nash]

But I'd push back on that and say yes, they're. Don't confuse motion for effort. They're running around and they're giving up 130.

[John Holmberg]

John I.

[Dave Nash]

Defense is there. It's not good.

[John Holmberg]

I was watching a game, it was maybe late last week and sons player dove on the floor for a ball. Hadn't seen dove on it and I was like, whoa. And I said. And I saw him get up and the ball started moving well, I had to run back. Was that Booker that dove on the ground? And it was. It was Devin Booker who dove on the ground. Yeah, you didn't. You haven't seen that in three years.

[Dave Nash]

No, there's a different energy but it's again, don't confuse it for accomplish.

[John Holmberg]

Well, they're not. They're not championship talent wise.

[Dave Nash]

I do like that they play with that energy. Yeah, I don't like that the energy leads them to the wrong place an awful lot because the defense is not stopping anyone. It's just active. I mean you're giving up 126 points a game. You can say, oh, we play defense now. But if it doesn't matter, we. You can emphasize it all you want. If nobody's in the right spot, you can say we play defense and baseball all day long and these guys are good. And then, you know, you're putting three a game and it's like, yeah, but when we do make plays, they're great.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

But the three you're not making are crucial.

[Dale Hellestra]

I, I'll just put in my two cents in regards to basketball defense or just the, the cohesion of. Takes a while for teams to kind of get comfortable with where each guy is. And I mean, look back in the history that when, when I was a super basketball fan that, you know, it took a while for the Pistons to figure out a way to beat Boston. And it took years of cohesion that all of a sudden that was a smoother working machine. And then it took years for Chicago to beat Detroit.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. And there's always that transition.

[Dale Hellestra]

Everyone thinks it's just microwave teams. Like we're going to put. We're going to mix this guy in with this guy and we're going to be immediately better. This is a human game. It's not a video game.

[Dave Nash]

You're 100% right because look at Oklahoma City's playing and they had the Blazers shut out in the fourth quarter with three minutes left.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

Because they know when to lock it down. They played together a lot.

[John Holmberg]

You're not gonna. Right. You're not gonna play 48 minutes of lockdown defense. You can't.

[Dave Nash]

But why do code. Why do owners not see exactly what Dave sees? What I see, we all, I think everyone listening would agree that a microwave team has very rarely done well. What you see dynasties and what you see championships made of are teams that have, oh, that guy's been there for a long time. Manager's been there for a long time. This Oklahoma City team's gonna be there for the next six years and tell.

[John Holmberg]

Somebody needs to get paid well, they've.

[Dave Nash]

Got the money and they've got the ability to draft around that. So they have built a thing where the, where you can look and go that is now a quality franchise of that's being well run until they do something.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's always been well run.

[Dave Nash]

It has always been well run. That is a really.

[John Holmberg]

You know, the problem is they want them to be either in New York or Los Angeles.

[Dave Nash]

Yes. There's that huge problem is where their geography is their biggest issue. But I look at the Suns and Matt Ishbia and I want him to learn that I want owner.

[Dale Hellestra]

How long do you think that'll take?

[Dave Nash]

That's the problem.

[John Holmberg]

Patience.

[Dave Nash]

Who knows if that exists? And it's clear that it doesn't with 90% of ownership groups in sports. Because the 10% that keep winning are the 10% that don't change every year, you know.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. But you're also sitting here going on your. On your other Program that second line to the main event with Steve McCollum. Remember those people? Is this yahoo's wanting to take teams away from owners. Does that make the playoffs?

[Dave Nash]

Now listen to this plan. This plan is phenomenal.

[John Holmberg]

And then he added. He said, and you have to sell it for the price you paid. We went and looked.

[Dave Nash]

Or the fans.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, the Bears were bought for 100 bucks.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Here's the thing.

[Dave Nash]

So how awesome is this plan? Listen to this amazing Holmberg. I call it the Holmberg doctrine, the Holmberg solution. So you don't make the playoffs. Let's start with the NFL in seven years. You have got to sell your team for the cash equivalent of what you bought it for by today's standards. So the 100 bucks in 1920, who.

[Dale Hellestra]

Do you sell it to?

[Dave Nash]

Whoever can buy it.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, listen, if you're selling for $100, you're going to have a.

[Dave Nash]

Then you raffle.

[John Holmberg]

A raffle.

[Dave Nash]

Dave, the excitement that you and I could kick in 50, 50 and own a professional team is no different than Jerry Jones popping up for 100 million going, I don't know what I'm doing, but I own the Cowboys. And what if. And then we get all the benefits.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, now you guys. You guys wouldn't even make it through the offseason. You'd be at each other's throats.

[Dave Nash]

Maybe that's true.

[Dale Hellestra]

Maybe that's true.

[John Holmberg]

It would be.

[Dave Nash]

Am. So let's say the 100 bucks in 1920 is now 8,000. I don't know how much 100 bucks was 19, but that's what we have to say.

[John Holmberg]

Let's say it's a million for easy math.

[Dave Nash]

For a million dollars. So all us Yahoo Sports fans can go, I can buy that. And then you get it. And then there's the teams like the Cowboys, who are worth $20 billion, and he bought it for 126. So it's probably worth about 800 million to the next sale. But I would guarantee you not one owner ever had to sell because there's no way they're letting that cash cow go. Even the jets would figure out a way to make the playoffs in seven years without screwing it all up, because the owners don't say stupid stuff like what Jerry Jones said, which is, I'd fix the defense, but I got $100 billion in oil and natural gas I got to worry about. So I can't get to it right now.

[Dale Hellestra]

How come I'm the only one that sees in that scenario? Because all the owners are in cahoots. So all of a sudden, hey, the jets won that game very fishily. Oh, the jets won again. They haven't made the playoffs for six years. Okay. Oh yeah, that's not bringing in.

[John Holmberg]

Hold on, we got Holmberg and Nash. You're lining up to buy this car. Hey, the Jetsons won on a seven game win streak.

[Dave Nash]

If that happens, you'd be like, all right, there's some collusion here. And you can break that up by saying obviously there's going to be a text message between whomever doesn't want Woody Johnson owning a team in the NFL. And I don't know who the hell that is but if the Maras and the Rooneys and the Bidwells and Jerry Jones get in and say we want Johnson out. Look, seven years you have to make the playoffs is not unreasonable. How many teams we could do it, you and I. Oh, no doubt about that.

[John Holmberg]

But who would be the President and who would be the general?

[Dave Nash]

I would let him have control because he's a weirdo and I don't want to hear it.

[Dale Hellestra]

But I would show.

[Dave Nash]

I would show up and I would say here we go. And for 100 bucks we don't it. Now the obvious issues that have not been hashed out yet. How do we pay these guys? I don't have any money.

[John Holmberg]

Well, NFL gives you a TV check every April.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'll gladly give you a hamburger today.

[Dave Nash]

And I'll just basically say give us the first year for free and you guys cover the nut off of our and then next year I'm sure all.

[Dale Hellestra]

Players would be okay with that.

[Dave Nash]

I'm the players could buy it. Of course they could pull together and own the team and say we're going to make the playoffs in seven years.

[Dale Hellestra]

Seven not Kyler Murray could win his job back. He buys the team.

[Dave Nash]

Not one owner would lose his team. But your team would not have seven year droughts. The jets haven't had a winning season since 2010. Think about that. Fans. Yes, they are asking fans, is that.

[Dale Hellestra]

The curse of the butt Fumble?

[Dave Nash]

No, that was the AFC championship game. Steelers beat him in 2010. So last win winning season the jets had.

[Dale Hellestra]

So when was the butt fumble?

[Dave Nash]

12 maybe.

[Dale Hellestra]

So it's curse of the butt Fumble.

[Dave Nash]

Well it already.

[Dale Hellestra]

Can we start calling it that?

[Dave Nash]

Sure. I love that.

[Dale Hellestra]

There you go.

[John Holmberg]

Hey, by the way, when you, when you speak of that whatever that Sanchez case.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. I don't know. There's another one.

[John Holmberg]

It's like I haven't heard One thing about 70 year old man's in the.

[Dave Nash]

Hospital, he put out a statement about Nick Mangold. Like, it was like, I'm gonna miss him. He's running like you. Quiet down. You're not allowed to pop off right now. We think you might. You may have tried to kill a man. I'm gonna let you sit quietly for a min, then in a year or so, you could say, hey, that Nick Mangold thing messed me up. Remember when I was back in the hospital from getting stabbed by the. Anyway. But, yeah, my ideas are. That's a good one right there. You got to tell me that's not awesome. Cubs fans would have had to unload that Wrigley family 30 years in and then whoever else.

[Dale Hellestra]

If you want to make this podcast really popular, if you offer them the drugs you were on when you came up with this for free, there are.

[Dave Nash]

People lining up for that. It's called Molly, and everybody feels better. It's awesome. That's a great idea.

[John Holmberg]

How.

[Dave Nash]

How could you say that's not a great.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm pretty sure most of the NFL owners, like all 32 of them, are going to be against it if they.

[Dave Nash]

Don'T have a vote.

[Dale Hellestra]

That's all they do. They all have a vote.

[Dave Nash]

I'll feed you.

[Dale Hellestra]

The commissioner is useless. I'll feed you 32 owners run everything.

[Dave Nash]

What? You will now love my idea. New commissioner of the NFL, Zohan Momdano. And nobody has a say but him. I know this is right in your wheelhouse. And then he goes out and says, I want to distribute the wealth equally, and you can't keep making billions of dollars if you don't make the playoffs.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm for that. Now, if we can just get the voting process in the NFL.

[John Holmberg]

Here we go.

[Dale Hellestra]

Like it is in the United States, that it's all fraudulent.

[John Holmberg]

All right.

[Dave Nash]

Should have waited until I brought politics to the party. That's my fault. Yeah, but I did.

[John Holmberg]

You lied.

[Dave Nash]

That was my fault.

[John Holmberg]

I did.

[Dave Nash]

I brought up Mom, Donnie, and I knew that would spark the pilot light in him. And there he went. I apologize to everybody. Take a breath. He's not a communist. We'll get to that later.

[John Holmberg]

Okay?

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, no, it's a fun idea. And I do think the idea of having owners have some sort of, you know, if a quarterback doesn't make it in five years, they don't pay him, he moves on. You don't have to not own a team, but you can't own this one. So there'll be another team out there if the Bidwells get bounced out of the Cardinals. Go, okay, I'll go buy the Titans. They're up for grabs too. And then, and then you just start exchanging this stuff and it becomes fantasy owners where it's like you lost the family business. Do you realize how if the Rooneys don't make the playoffs for seven years, they lose the family business and the fans are fine with it because I guarantee in Pittsburgh if they don't make the playoffs in seven years, that stadium is going to be ashes. Yeah, that's not happening there.

[John Holmberg]

But the thing is the NFL has gone to the point now where they make so much money that they don't have to win.

[Dave Nash]

Yes, exactly.

[John Holmberg]

And that started late 90s when the salary cat came out and they had to put a floor in.

[Dave Nash]

Well, personalized license seating changed everything. Jerry Jones did that. And I remember when the Bidwells, they announced it here they were going to be a profitable business if they didn't sell a ticket. Yes, because of the TV deal and their personalized licensees that they own.

[John Holmberg]

Yes, because owners can keep the suite, all of it in that so they.

[Dave Nash]

Didn'T have to sell a sit down ticket. Sell those, those personalized seats and you pay for. You are profitable.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

Everything else was gravy. The hot dogs, the beer, the T shirts, the parking, the ticket sales. Everything else was money in their hands.

[John Holmberg]

No doubt. And so I don't want to lose that. And so what? But, but, but I'm just saying where is the incentive under today's rule?

[Dave Nash]

Right. Well, in my. You lose it, it goes. And the other fun thing about it is it's just like soccer in Europe. You don't make, you don't have a. You're in the bottom three. You go to AAA Soccer, you lose your.

[Dale Hellestra]

There's no Triple A NFL, right.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, they could go there.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's a great. It's the only thing about soccer that's good.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, the only thing, that relegation thing is outstanding. Only thing, owners do not want their team to be relegated because now you're playing in a lesser league for lesser pay, for lesser ticket prices. They lose money.

[John Holmberg]

They lose money.

[Dave Nash]

Incentive to play in the big league and win. And so do we need that bottom three?

[Dale Hellestra]

So can we send the bottom three NFL teams? Canada College or Canada?

[John Holmberg]

Canada, Canada or ufl?

[Dave Nash]

Spring kind of is a thing. But yeah, you just got some, you know, then you have, you know, the Saints running rough shot over the Showboats. I mean it might gain some traction later.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

Still better than the wnba, but it's something.

[Dale Hellestra]

If they send them to Canada They. They still might have the vaccine.

[Dave Nash]

All right.

[Dale Hellestra]

Everyone's gonna be dying.

[Dave Nash]

This is my fault. I'm sorry that I should have never done that. I have flame through or at a gas station. I just went here's matches. Scarecrow go crazy. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that. Kyler Murray of the Cardinals is. Boy, I tell you, I got a theory about this. I'll let you guys go. But what do you think's going on with Kyler Murray? Former first round pick.

[John Holmberg]

No. Top overall pick.

[Dave Nash]

That's what I mean. Oh, that's for. I meant to say first pick. Yeah. First round pick, first pick of the entire draft. He's now in what, year seven.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

And here he sits as the. Probably to me. And I've said this about him. And I picked. Look, I foolishly. And I think we all kind of agreed. I might have been a little over the top. But you were with me. This Cardinal team, based on last year's performance, had a chance to win this division.

[Dale Hellestra]

I bet him that money's down.

[Dave Nash]

That's long gone.

[John Holmberg]

That's gone.

[Dave Nash]

And I don't want to blame Kyler Murray for that. There's been a lot that's gone on. This team has lost by a single score in several games. They've lost fourth quarter leads three times in a row. No team has ever done that. And. And they're like, oh, Kyler Murray's not the man. Not the man. Not the man. Most athletic guy on the field almost all the time. Rocket arm. Can make every throw short. That's his knock. But there's something else wrong.

[John Holmberg]

There's something wrong.

[Dave Nash]

And the team does not respond to him.

[John Holmberg]

Well, again, we've talked a little bit about it on the other show. The fact that there's. There's something called an it factor. Yep. There's not a definition for it. You can't write. It is A, B, C, D. E. If you have these five qualities, you have it. You know it when you see it. And the example I gave is when Dave. When Jimmy Johnson will walk into our team meeting room. There's 60, 25 year old dudes, a lot of them millionaires. Yeah. You literally could feel him walking down the hallway. And by the time he got to the door, dead quiet. Yeah. Maybe a pencil was moving. Dead quiet. You fast forward to Dave Campo ten years later. Same title. Yeah. Head coach.

[Dave Nash]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

He's in the room yelling, hey, hey. Quiet.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

For three or four minutes every team meeting. Because there's. He doesn't have that Respect that. It. And so I take that and I go to Kyler Murray. I see body language on this Cardinals offense when. When Kyler Murray is out there that they kind of assume his body language.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Shoulders hung a little bit. Don't be excited to play. And now this other guy comes in. Jacoby preset. Yeah. And they look like they enjoy playing football.

[Dave Nash]

Again, how much of that is stature? And I know that's a weird thing, but how much is it is the physical stature.

[Dale Hellestra]

I disagree. Because you got shorter quarterbacks.

[Dave Nash]

No, I'm not saying it's because he's short. It's his. His. His game style. Plus being short, nobody relates to Jo. Kobe Brissette goes out there as one of them. If this is a fist fight, we've got this guy and he comes in as. Just like anything else. If we're in a bar and you and I are in a scuffle and Dale walks in, we're feeling a little better about this scuffle. Based on size. I get an athlete that rolls in.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'll make comparison that I don't think Baker Mayfield is very big.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

But swagger, his teammates have said. And listen, as an. As an ex athlete, I'd say, here's a guy I'll go to war with.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Here's a guy that I know he's going to give me all he's got and I'm going to put trust in him. Kyler Murray is the exact opposite.

[John Holmberg]

He seems that. It certainly seems that way. He gives that impression. And again, I watch the body language of the players these last couple weeks. They didn't win until Monday night, but the last couple weeks, that offense, the Colts reacted different.

[Dale Hellestra]

They played the Colts, you know, another one I see who has that it factor, who might not be that talented or he's on a question of making it is J.J. mcCarthy. I think his teammates will go to all ends.

[Dave Nash]

See, I watched the first game. I think they love him, but I think when he was on the field, it was like, oh, well. Jackson Dart, however, immediately came out and said, guys, I got you. Get on my back. And that's the thing with Kyler Murray. I don't think they believe him when he says, get on my back. When a guy like Jacoby Brissette goes in, I've got this. I'm fighting with you. We might not win, but I'm fighting with. I don't know that Kyler Murray because of just the way he plays the game. And I guess stature would be the wrong word. Just how he plays makes them kind of question. All right, what is our plan? And I think that's a Kliff Kingsbury thing. The knock I have for Kyler Murray's career was Cliff Kingsbury gave him a play and said it's on you. It's a read and run. All the games you loved growing up are on the app Store. Looking to spark some friendly competition with friends and family no matter where you're at, Turn your phone into the ultimate game night. You can bankrupt your brother in Monopoly, go shout out hilarious clues to family and heads up. Challenge your best friend to a game of Uno or get on a lucky streak in Yahtzee with Buddy Stice. Discover tons of classics you already love. It's all the laughter and connection of game night right in the palm of your hand. So what are you waiting for? Relive the games you grew up with now on iPhone. Search for your favorites on the app store and let the games begin.

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[Dave Nash]

If you don't see your guy, you're the best athlete on the field. Get rid of it. Run around, do whatever you want. And he allowed that to be his default. So now the team knows all right, if this goes sideways he's just going to run around. So I have to pay attention to.

[Dale Hellestra]

He'S not even good at running around.

[Dave Nash]

Well he used to be.

[Dale Hellestra]

I mean he's. I never saw it that guy. That guy gets tackled easier than well.

[Dave Nash]

Because he doesn't run forward. I will say that he tries to keep plays alive. There's that game against the Raiders three or four years ago that he won by himself and I mean by himself. Max Crosby chasing him like a fly. But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Dale when you're on the field with a guy like that and I think Barry Sanders had this problem them is like the def or the offensive line had to think we block we do our assignment that still might not be enough.

[John Holmberg]

Well the thing about and I used to always get kick out when people go, well, Barry's in Dallas and Emma was in Detroit, you know, Barry would have the career Emmett did. Yeah. But what they didn't understand was that Emmett was perfect for our offense. Perfect Barry did was Barry would lose a yard, gain three yards, gain nothing, punt. And then the next series you might go for 40, right. We were 4 yards, 5 yards, 4 yards the ball consist, do your job kind of thing. And what I'm going to tell you about Kyler Murray that I've questioned since he got here, he can't question the talent. He's, he's amazing. He throws one of the prettiest deep balls ever in football. He's unbelievably fast. He's got so many things in his favor. But with the quarterback, when he steps into that huddle.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You're either you either you're with them or you're not with him. And the way he steps, the way I see him carry himself around and I, and I'm a self acclaimed, probably too big of a body language reader. Yeah. But I know as a player, a guy who steps in the huddle and he's unsure of himself or he's selfish or he's whatever. Jim Kelly had it in Buffalo. The first year he got there, he wanted to complete 60% of his passes. Yeah, that was Pro bowl back then. Yeah. So he would hold on to the ball, take a sack around and throw the ball away. And about 3/4 way through the season, a couple offensive linemen, older guys, not me, got him in a corner and said, this is girl. You're done with this. Yeah, everybody and, and he changed, became an all Famer and all that. So the Kyler Murray I just see when I see him out there, I see the rest of the offense with slump shoulders.

[Dave Nash]

There's no leadership quality, there's no energy, zero. And that's the thing we as fans, you can see it eventually and you kind of hope it happens. I think that's why they gave him the contract. I bet you in practice, I bet you what we don't see. The dude lights it up. But when the lights are on, right. And he's in that huddle that nobody believes in him. And that's the key to the, you know, just a dude with it has the same as a bar. You see a guy walk in and go, why is he so confident, you know, immediately, right. What's he got? And you see another guy walk in and goes, I've got all the skills, I just don't know how to use Them.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

And that's kind of what I get with Kyler. It's frustrating because he's probably the most skilled. I always go back to Cam Newton. Cam Newton, I think could have been a top five of all time quarterback. He was so interested in being Cam Newton.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

That when it was not going his way, he became Cam Newton before he became a great teammate. And that fell off, you know, that towel over his head every time, throw a bad pick, have a great play. He wanted to be camera ready all the time. There was. And it was obvious he has a priority about himself. Kyler's priority is.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know how many times have you seen after an interception or a fumble or something gone wrong offensively that the offensive lines here, the running backs are here, the tight ends are here, and there's Kyler alone, sit alone. Other on the other side of the bench. Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And not their quarterbacks. Not going over the iPad or the Microsoft. He's just there.

[John Holmberg]

What I'm saying is. And you'll see highlights. And it happened more than just highest. But whether it's Troy, whether he's encouraging the offensive line or you see the one where he's ripping us.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. But he's also down there encouraging.

[Dave Nash]

He was the leader.

[John Holmberg]

Yes. And Peyton Manning, those kind of guys.

[Dave Nash]

And you can fake that and still you can fake it and get away with it for a minute.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

If you have it sounds like you.

[Dale Hellestra]

Could do it for seven years.

[Dave Nash]

Well, but we all see it. I'm saying you can actually Trent Dilfer your way through. He's a leader, but he didn't have all of it. And I don't have the talent.

[Dale Hellestra]

How can we see it? How can most people see it and the general manager and the owner not see it?

[Dave Nash]

See, that's what I think. Where Monday through Friday comes into play.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. They must of seeing it.

[Dave Nash]

They have to see it. And the frustration has to be good. God, if we could just get this last thing. Or is it, what, now they're done?

[Dale Hellestra]

Or is it what you said about the. When we're talking about the baseball and managers, like it's just easier not to put my neck on a line and run him and run him out of a double play. Hey, it's just easier. This guy, you know, he's made an all. He's made an all pro team. It's just easier.

[Dave Nash]

Just.

[Dale Hellestra]

Just keep this guy.

[Dave Nash]

When you pay him, you got to play him. Sam Bradford was the last one that got that $80 million rookie deal. And they're like, we got to play him, right?

[Dale Hellestra]

Like he doing right now anything. Is he on his own island somewhere?

[Dave Nash]

He was a cardinal. Exactly. What he do with the money? I would love to know. Sam Bradford just go snowed everybody. But he. You know, it's one of those things where when you pay him, you're like, now we're trapped. But that's the thing. I think they paid Kyler because after three years are like, we see everything we need to see, except that one thing. If he's a year, a little maturity, a little much, and it never came.

[John Holmberg]

Here's what I'm gonna tell you about that, John. And I know we probably have to move on. I got a feeling my time bones. But here's my whole deal with that. Yeah. As they're signing to this gazillion dollar contract, it's also coming out that they're putting a homework clause in his deal. John, that would be like if Tripp came to you on your morning show and there are a couple things he didn't like that you were doing and he was on you and you said, no, I'm just going to keep doing what I want to do. Screw you. Yeah, well, maybe if I throw more money at it. No, that's more security, right? Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

You make me lazy. Yes. Yeah. You make me more complacent. No, I agree. And I think that's the thing. And I do also think that this trade deadline that just went by, Kyler got shopped. He was. He was almost going to start the game Monday night.

[John Holmberg]

He was going to have a role as of Saturday. There's no role he's going to have.

[Dave Nash]

And he's going to suit up. Monday, he doesn't get suited up. Tuesday's trade deadline. Wednesday, the announcement, he's on the ir. This injury is just not going to heal. Four more weeks. And I'm like, wait. The same trainers on Monday thought maybe he could play and on Wednesday. Or like, he needs four more weeks.

[John Holmberg]

Four more weeks.

[Dave Nash]

You shopped him every. The agent said he's going to be a good boy. He's done with you. Or vice versa.

[John Holmberg]

Vice versa. Or mutual.

[Dave Nash]

Or mutual. It's like, you know what? Sit down. This injury is going to nag for a while. Jacoby's fine. Let's not put Gannon in a spot here because he's saying all the right things a coach is supposed to say that hasn't earned his stripes yet. Well, if he'd earned his stripes, I think he could go out and parcels this thing and Go, why would I start that guy? This guy's winning, right? You're earned.

[Dale Hellestra]

That Jonathan Gannon, did he say the right things? Didn't he say, oh, he's going to be back, and, oh, now he's not going to be back?

[Dave Nash]

I don't know.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't know anything.

[Dave Nash]

But I think, yeah, I think that's.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe it was above him, but.

[Dave Nash]

And of course, of course it was. That was. That was the Wade Phillips thing. That happened with Flutie and Rob Johnson, you know, the owner said, no, I'm paying that one. He's our future.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

And Wade Johnson ate all the crap he could eat. Or Wade Phillips. I'm sorry, Wade Phillips ate all the crap he could eat in those press conferences, saying, I'm gonna start this guy. He didn't want to. Jonathan Gannon may be under some pressure to say, we gotta go this direction. I don't see him as that guy. He's pretty abrupt to just go, here's how things are. So I like Jonathan Gannon a lot. I like Monty Austin Ford a lot. I think this team has a lot of good quality people. Something's.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't want to hear Sean McVeigh's name being mentioned.

[Dave Nash]

Something's really wrong here.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, so there is. And the thing is, I did want to point this out because Monday night, their first round pick from this year was activated and played and, and stood out.

[Dave Nash]

Looked really.

[John Holmberg]

Looked like he might have a chance to be pretty good. I know we've been on awesome for a little bit about picking defensive linemen who have back calves and, and, and all that. So it'll be fascinating to me because there is an interesting fact. There has not been an NFL coach who's went through three full years and gone into. And made a fourth year with a franchise. Yeah, we're not making the playoffs in.

[Dave Nash]

The first three years, which is an interesting stat. Yes, that's an interesting thing. What the Cardinals would have to do. I think they're committed to Gannon, and I think Gannon and Austin Fort both said, we'll take on your Murray experiment for the money, but once. Once this either does or does not win anymore, he stays and we're gonna move on. This way. They're. They're handling it very professionally as far as, like, all right, let's just not make a media circus out of this. This could get weird. And it's. I think we're very close.

[John Holmberg]

You're. What? You're a couple days away in my mind from seeing Kyler Murray wipe His social media that we don't understand.

[Dave Nash]

Some cryptic thing that said, I guess I have. Have to be on ir like, what does that mean? Why do you have to be on ir?

[Dale Hellestra]

So if you're the Cardinals, are you hoping that Brissette turns it around, which makes Kyler Murray look worse as a quarterback and decreases his trade value? Or do you just say we keep losing and then we're. We're going to blow it up next year?

[Dave Nash]

What's even worse is there wasn't a taker if they were trying to trade him.

[John Holmberg]

Well, what are you. What would you reasonably expect to get.

[Dave Nash]

If you're, if you're shopping them to get him off the team to just take that breath.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Three or four.

[Dave Nash]

And you're not getting that for Kyler Murray, right?

[John Holmberg]

Not, not with the contract.

[Dave Nash]

No, not with that deal. And he's not even starting for you. Everybody knows this is a, A silent benching.

[Dale Hellestra]

There's, there's a couple options for Kyler Murray that teams will take him, sure. In a heartbeat.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

But.

[John Holmberg]

But at that salary and give you.

[Dave Nash]

And give you something, the Cardinals have to eat all that dead money, plus probably pay a little of what they're giving up. And you're looking at teams like the Saints, the Dolphins, who are already in a nightmare.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, no, I think Pittsburgh Jets.

[Dave Nash]

Pittsburgh could do it.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah. I mean, I mean, what Aaron Rodgers, Are they going to push out his dead corpse next?

[Dave Nash]

They want another one next year if he's, if he's available. And I'll tell you this, watching him this year, we're talking about that leadership thing. As a fan, you watched Kenny Gainwell caught a pass over the middle and tried to juke a guy. Aaron was on his ass immediately. And you just saw him do. Cut it up the field, quit dancing. And Kenny Gainwell was like his dad was next to him. Just his arms dropped like. Yeah, ok, right.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, I will tell you in today's NFL, because you can't hit a quarterback anymore. You can't even breathe on them.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

As long as his arm is not, you know, like, dangling like Jaden Daniels. Right. He. He could keep playing quarterback.

[Dave Nash]

Sure. I don't know why he can't. He still does that flick. But more importantly, what you see is, okay, we don't have a problem at quarterback. That guy's in charge. Maybe he doesn't have the skills he used to. You're looking for the old Aaron Roger. Kyler Murray in Pittsburgh as a starter is just getting Justin Fields again. But if you could get him one year behind a guy like Aaron Rodgers, which I think is the crucial error of putting a 20 year old behind center immediately who had some little maturity issues to begin with and not get a veteran in there that has done it all. Joe Flacco would have been amazing.

[John Holmberg]

Didn't they have McCoy here?

[Dave Nash]

McCoy was not. He was another one who started to see. He learned all the bad habits. Joe Flacco was available and Joe Flacco can stand behind a guy and go, this is how it works. And, and I don't think Kyler ever had that. I think Kyler, I, I, there are teams that will take him. I don't think anything's going to be serious. And I think Dale's right. I think the money's the biggest issue with him. Unless a team just basically said, you want to pay for it, we'll take him off your hands. Right, but how years does he have? Two or one?

[John Holmberg]

Seven? Oh, he's got two more on this contract.

[Dave Nash]

It was a five year extension two years ago. So yeah, he's got a couple left. The Cardinals are. And here's the other thing. Let's flip that about another thing. A bad franchise stays a bad franchise. Jets made a few of those deadline trades, getting rid of Sauce, Gardner, Quinn and Williams and you're like, hey, they did that. They got rid of that money. Well, think about why they were in that spot in the first place. They drafted a quarterback that didn't work. They had three other first round draft picks in a year and all those guys did work. So their money came up at the same time. One more year, you got two first round draft picks that actually hit. Did pretty well. Can't pay them either. So now you're like, no, we got to start over. What did the jets do? They traded for five draft picks in two years. They're back in the exact same situation. They miss on quarterback again. All these guys can play lights out football. They owe them. In five years, Cardinals have to start over again. And all these first round picks that they've got that may be panning out, you're not a free agent draw. Nobody's going to look at the Cardinals. They're going to like I've seen this movie before, let's see if they wreck this quarterback too. This team is in a perennial spin in the mud.

[John Holmberg]

And it's interesting that it's franchise. It's, it's like we were talking about the fact that Aaron Rodgers, yes, he had good numbers last year, but he looks different in Pittsburgh. Yeah, looks like he's been rejuvenated because.

[Dave Nash]

It'S not raining feces.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

It's like he can look good in a crap storm the whole time in Pittsburgh. It's like, oh, there's some stability.

[John Holmberg]

Right? Yeah. Right.

[Dave Nash]

It's. It's such a. You football players are so fragile emotionally. That's the problem. Get out there and play the game before we get out of here and do that. Matt Khalil's wife, I don't know if you saw this.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

Went on a podcast to tell everybody that they had to get divorced because his penis was far too large for her to enjoy life. It ruined a perfect marriage.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

None of us will ever know the glory of having an ex wife go on television to tell.

[John Holmberg]

You'll never know about year six, seven, eight with Brooke and I.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

You'll never know. You gotta fight through some things, you know?

[Dave Nash]

Sure. But you'll never know the pain that he caused that woman to say, I have to give up the love of my life because those Coke cans just aren't going in my fridge.

[John Holmberg]

I can tell you, the three of us are not strutting through a walk through without a towel on.

[Dave Nash]

And so I guarantee you human beings are fairly easy to predict. All of us get divorced. The first thing that is on the podcast with our ex wives is that son of a bitch. Dot, dot, dot. It's never going to be. I'd have stayed with him if he had a smaller one. It's the best divorce story I have ever seen heard. Or what a glorious woman she is. And he's moved on and had a kid with someone else who's like, I got one. I took it. I'm like, God, what a life. Matt Khalil.

[John Holmberg]

Look at that girl. A little different, really. And let's spin it over.

[Dave Nash]

His brother plays in the professional football. And I guarantee you Ryan Khalil's standing there going, I didn't get one of those.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe he more quiet.

[Dave Nash]

Well, then. Then you divorce your wife immediately and send her off to podcasts. I need my brother's reputation. It's not fair. It's just not fair. The other thing Dave wanted to talk about was David Ortiz. He'd like only English speaking and not even accents to do his.

[Dale Hellestra]

I couldn't understand a word he was saying. He was explaining baseball. I go, I'm really. He could have been talking about soccer for all I know. I had no idea what he was saying.

[Dave Nash]

It is tough. Hey, man, you know me. I got to listen.

[Dale Hellestra]

Here's a real Question, Do Hispanics understand broken English or whatever? I mean, this is the problem. Spanish, isn't it? What's he speaking?

[Dave Nash]

Dominican, Portuguese, something like that.

[Dale Hellestra]

Whatever. Do they understand that language better? Because if they do better than. Yeah, like English. English, yeah. Well, then, okay, they're great baseball fans. That's for them.

[Dave Nash]

Whatever you want non affected voices doing your post game.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah, I want stuff that I can understand on English tv. That's all. I mean, I can't understand.

[Dave Nash]

He was speaking English.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, he was. But you don't like no mang.

[Dave Nash]

No mang, no jo, no man.

[Dale Hellestra]

That's exactly what he was. What?

[Dave Nash]

You know me, Meng.

[Dale Hellestra]

I didn't any of this.

[Dave Nash]

Those are those moments that Dave turns it. Sorry, where are my English speaking broadcasters?

[John Holmberg]

That's Dave Nash.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I'm fine with that. I think that's hilarious. And also finally, before we get to Dave Nash being insane, Tom Brady cloned his dog. Dale, thoughts? He cloned his dog.

[John Holmberg]

So there's a, there's a dog out there that is like AI, no, no, it's all right.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, Jesus Christ. What do you mean cloned his dog?

[Dale Hellestra]

They, they, they made the dog from scratch. How you clone someone, it's the exact DNA of.

[Dave Nash]

It's not AI. The company that did it is a world renowned company that just sucked up the ones that do pets. They find fossils and they're rebuilding the woolly mammoth.

[John Holmberg]

Good.

[Dave Nash]

So you take the. It's Jurassic park for you, Dale.

[John Holmberg]

For a dog.

[Dave Nash]

You find the DNA, you extract it and you can then find a harvest egg of some sort and rebuild that animal to its existing.

[John Holmberg]

But what's made out of.

[Dave Nash]

So if I did it with you. It's organic material. So it's from an embryo and an egg that's manufactured in a lab from the exact same DNA. If it were you, Dave. Dale.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

If I were to take your DNA, take it to this company and say I'd like a replica of Dave or of Dale. They would make one. Same fingerprint, same eye color, same everything. Eugenics. So they can build you again.

[Dale Hellestra]

There would be someone just as stupid.

[Dave Nash]

As you coming later. Each one of us, let's not go crazy. He'd have different experiences growing.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, well, can I change a few things on this?

[Dave Nash]

If you want to get into eugenics, yes, you can absolutely start to open alter the DNA. But what he did was have a dog he loved very much and he took the DNA and froze it and then had this company that builds woolly mammoths and dodo birds and tries to Reintroduce that to see what they're about. Had him redo his dog. And his dog is now an exact clone of the real dog, the other dog, the original dog that was born naturally. You're telling me Tom Brady doesn't have this of himself? Everywhere he's turned in his life, he's tried to cheat the system. Tom Brady's building a new Tom Brady. Let me be the first Don Quixote to start screaming at this windmill. This dude's up to no good building a whole army of himself.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's possible. I like Tom Brady, but I just heard this going. There's not enough dogs out there for him. He's got to make one.

[Dave Nash]

Exactly. And as a dog lover, get a shelter, adopt, don't shop.

[John Holmberg]

They're everywhere.

[Dave Nash]

Here's my thing. I saw that video. Tom Brady kissing his son. That was weird. He's a weirdo. He's a weird dude. We all know it. Tell me right now, if Tom Brady built another, Tom Brady wouldn't spend a lot of time in that room making out with himself.

[John Holmberg]

Well, Tom Brady could be calling a game and Tom Brady could be on.

[Dave Nash]

The beach running the Raiders.

[Dale Hellestra]

Maybe is.

[Dave Nash]

I think you're with me on this.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm with you on that.

[Dave Nash]

You almost turned me into Kramer. Yeah, Jerry, we got it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

I am very much into the idea of, like, why is no one raising the red flag on Tom Brady? Every time we hear news about him, it turns out to be another thing he's doing that's not quite on the up and up.

[Dale Hellestra]

I like his commercials, though. He makes me laugh. He is Me laugh.

[Dave Nash]

He's an emoji. You go to Disneyland and Lincoln in the hall of Presidents has more humanity than Tom Brady. And I like Tom Brady enough. But there's nobody home. Man. That is a broken individual who's building more of himself. There's a clone army of Tom Brady's coming our way if we're not careful.

[Dale Hellestra]

Maybe the dog was just the starting point. He's testing, right?

[Dave Nash]

He's got a fridge full of himself. I can't argue. He just needs donor.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm gonna let you do the.

[Dave Nash]

Don'T clone dogs. Adopt. I go to shelters all the time.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

I get statues and awards built about me. Come on. All right, well, let's get the hell out of here. What do you say, Dave? I think. Did we cover your. Do you want to go on about voting?

[Dale Hellestra]

No, it's just real simple.

[Dave Nash]

I mean. All right, hold on. For Dale Hell street, three time world champion and host the main event found on cubicsports.com what is it called?

[John Holmberg]

Any of your podcasts. It's the main event. Any of your podcasts.

[Dave Nash]

Anywhere you can find podcasts. The main event with Dale Hellstream.

[Dale Hellestra]

Anywhere you can't. Anywhere you can find his. And not find this one.

[Dave Nash]

You can find [e-mail] it's on that page.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's right on page 85 probably right now.

[John Holmberg]

You're not.

[Dave Nash]

You never think.

[Dale Hellestra]

You can't just put a podcast button there so people. You don't even have that. It's just in the middle of crap.

[Dave Nash]

What are you doing?

[Dale Hellestra]

Nothing.

[Dave Nash]

Exactly.

[Dale Hellestra]

Crying the whole charge of that website.

[Dave Nash]

I'll get going about politics all the time. But he sure seems like the people that want everything fixed for him.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah, well, listen, listen. I will go.

[Dave Nash]

Hold on, I'm not done yet. John Holmer from 98 KUPD, the wildly successful morning show heard at 98 KUPD on live radio or 98KUPD.com grab the app now. And then of course, five minutes alone with a lunatic and a microphone. It's Dave Nash.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't even. I don't need five minutes. Just. If you think that elections in this country are not fraudulent. Not all of them. But if you get some criminals in there who are counting the ballots.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

If you don't think a electronic voting machine can be overridden. My computer's trying to be hacked every day. And then if the people in charge wanted to be hacked. That's pretty easy to do. In America you are not elected. You are selected by the upper class that want them to do your bidding or them to do your bidding.

[John Holmberg]

Whatever.

[Dale Hellestra]

You know the point I'm making the up the upper. The people that have the money that run everything.

[Dave Nash]

The Bilderberg Group.

[Dale Hellestra]

They sure. That's part of it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

They put people in to do their bidding for them in part of politics, unfortunately.

[Dave Nash]

When do you still vote? Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And you.

[Dave Nash]

But you still.

[Dale Hellestra]

I just make it harder for them to cheat.

[Dave Nash]

So you only. How?

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, the more votes that whatever go for for. For an American side.

[Dave Nash]

Did you vote from home in the mail in?

[Dale Hellestra]

No, I went to the.

[Dave Nash]

You go to the thing. I'm a big believer. You have to go do it yourself.

[Dale Hellestra]

I think you should.

[Dave Nash]

I don't like the mail in thing because that's too many hands touching a ballot.

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah.

[Dave Nash]

I mean like a mailman handed to another guy. Handed to another guy. That. That to me is where you don't know.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's silly. You drop, you go there. It goes into the machine again. It's electronic.

[Dave Nash]

You can.

[Dale Hellestra]

You can hack anything. If you don't think so, you want.

[Dave Nash]

Survivor votes, You want the coconut. And I write a name down, I fold it up and I put it.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't know how. I'm not an expert on how to make something foolproof safe, because again, I've said before, I've gone to a show and I've seen a guy cut a woman in half and put her back together. I've seen a car disappear, seen elephant disappear. You don't think you can make a vote change from one way to another or votes disappear? I've seen everything disappear at plenty of shows, so. And that's just entertainment. When you're talking about power, which leads to money and control of the money and power. They'll do anything to get in there. And unless there are people out there watching and looking and making sure that our votes and our voice actually counts, until then, it's not going to count.

[John Holmberg]

All right.

[Dave Nash]

There you go. See, that wasn't so bad. That wasn't so bad. He didn't get too crazy. He's pretty upset.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah, I did. Do you think your vote counts?

[Dave Nash]

Well, then why do you vote?

[Dale Hellestra]

You gotta try. You hope. You hope it does.

[Dave Nash]

I. I don't know.

[Dale Hellestra]

I would. I would. I would volunteer to be a poll watcher to watch the vote go from. From that person's hand all the way into do whatever and count them up.

[Dave Nash]

We need more like you then.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, but I. I've tried. I don't even know. They. They don't. They don't take people. Everyone.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, it's a lot of old people.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, no, it's a lot of people that. Whoever on their side, they're like, they don't care. We can. We can shine one over on them.

[Dave Nash]

There it is. Dale. It's all futile.

[John Holmberg]

You know that.

[Dale Hellestra]

Sorry, that's bad news.

[John Holmberg]

But such a good show. Such a good show.

[Dale Hellestra]

We need to be more concerned about that. I think that someone else is doing the work for you.

[Dave Nash]

I just like Amazon so much. I don't care. I can get batteries delivered to me before we're done with this conversation. It's the greatest time to be alive ever. I don't have much time left. I got no kids.

[John Holmberg]

What do I care?

[Dale Hellestra]

That.

[John Holmberg]

That is.

[Dave Nash]

That is the answer to make you mad.

[John Holmberg]

All right.

[Dave Nash]

Satanist me. There goes Dale. There goes Dave. That's it. The sports thing is over for yet another week. We'll catch you next time.