The Sports Thing Podcast w/Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 4 - 08-31-25

Summary

The Sports Thing Podcast w/ Holmberg, Hellestrae, and Nash

Episode 4 – September 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Sports Thing Podcast" (Episode 4) jumpstarts the football season, diving headfirst into spirited debates about college football’s ranking system, the impact of preseason games, the Micah Parsons trade, Dallas Cowboys’ drama, strange sports traditions, and the role of personalities in professional sports. The hosts—John Holmberg (radio host, comedian), Dale Hellestrae (ex-NFL long snapper), and Dave Nash (entrepreneur and provocateur)—combine sharp analysis, irreverent humor, and blunt hot takes, all sprinkled with conspiracies, digressions, and a rowdy banter that delivers both insight and entertainment for football and sports fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Identity Crisis and “This Sports Thing” Name

• The hosts poke fun at the ongoing confusion about the show’s name and structure, highlighting the organic, unscripted nature of the podcast.
• Quote:

  "We can't even come up with a damn name for the show."
  — Dale Hellestrae [03:54]
  "This sports thing, nobody has come up with that."
  — John Holmberg [04:39]

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2. College Football’s Flawed System & Season Kickoff

Critique of College Rankings and Preseason Games

• Holmberg rails against arbitrary preseason rankings and the lack of a collegiate preseason, arguing it creates unfair advantages and entrenched elites.
  • Quote:

    “This arbitrary choice of who's good at college football… pulling balls from the air and saying they're the best team. This is a Heisman Trophy candidate who's never thrown a pass.”
    — John Holmberg [04:56]

• Hellestrae points out the result: opening games tend toward defensive slugfests—offenses unprepared, coaches unwilling to risk creativity.
  • Quote:

    "There's no preseason in college... when you open up against another really, really good team, chances are the defense is going to be ahead of the offense."
    — Dale Hellestrae [05:44]

• The new 12-team playoff system is debated. Hellestrae praises the change, saying previously, an opening loss would eliminate teams immediately, now both can recover.
  • Quote:

    "Now with 12 teams, both these teams most likely are going to be somewhere."
    — Dale Hellestrae [07:45]

Traditionalist Reform Suggestions

• Holmberg floats his radical idea: European-style football structure with divisions, promotion, and relegation, to eliminate preseason rank bias.
  • Quote:

    "Just give these schools... a division to win. Go win it. Or do it like the Europeans do soccer and graduate—relegate."
    — John Holmberg [08:59]

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3. Sports Product Quality & Critique of Women’s Sports

• The panel contemptuously critiques women's basketball ("the worst product in the world") and questions the entertainment value of lower-tier college/pro sports in general.
  • Quote:

    "Women’s basketball. It’s the worst product in the world."
    — John Holmberg [09:35]

• Holmberg: viewership is about quality, not sexism. He’s interested only in greatness, not sentimentality.
  • Quote:

    “I like greatness. I like to watch really good [sports].”
    — John Holmberg [10:18]

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4. NFL Betting Insights

• Nash and the crew riff on college and NFL betting, referencing lines, “over/under” for teams like the Saints and the Cowboys, and individual player props for fantasy and gambling.
  • Quote:

    "I think the Cowboys and Bengals are the exact same team right now. In fact, I think the Bengals are a little better on defense."
    — John Holmberg [51:25]

  • Nash predicts Prescott’s pass yards will soar due to a weak Cowboys defense post-Parsons trade.
    • [51:15]

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5. Micah Parsons Trade & Cowboys Analysis (Main Segment)

Trade Analysis & Jerry Jones Decisions

• Heated breakdown of the recent blockbuster trade: Cowboys deal star edge rusher Micah Parsons to Green Bay for picks and lineman Clark.
  • Criticism over Jerry Jones’ delayed negotiation and poor draft management.
  • Quote:

    “Why can't Jerry just go, ‘I got caught with my pants down’? I thought for sure we're going to sign him. We were so far apart, I had to make a last minute move.”
    — John Holmberg [27:30]

• Hellestrae brings insider's perspective: Dallas’ defensive line remains weak; despite Parsons’ pass rush prowess, he’s not a strong run defender.
  • Quote:

    “Micah Parsons—he had 12 sacks last year… but he disappears against the run.”
    — Dale Hellestrae [27:06]

• Discussion of the effect on Dallas’ immediate and long-term prospects:
  • Did Jones get enough for Parsons? Should he have opened the bidding leaguewide? Was it all for cap space amid pending deals for Dak and Lamb?
  • Comparison to the Herschel Walker trade and its lessons.
  • Quote:

    “I do think that this one was different in that that team was close. The Cowboys are not far off, and now they've taken a step back. For [Jerry] to lie to the fan base and say we're better today than we were yesterday... That is just a flat out lie.”
    — John Holmberg [39:43]

Green Bay & NFC North Impact

• Nash highlights the minimal odds movement post-trade, but says Packers’ defense—now with a true blue-chip—becomes dangerous in a tight NFC North.
• Holmberg and Nash debate how far an elite pass-rusher can elevate a defense given modern scheme adjustments.
  • “To me, maybe I’m stupid—is the most important thing for a defense [pressuring the QB]. And Green Bay just got one of the most important things...” — Dave Nash [52:23]

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6. NBA Conspiracy Theories & Dallas Mavericks

• Nash spins a conspiracy: NBA pushes stars to big markets—Luka Doncic’s ‘lucky’ move to LA, historic trades like Kobe to Lakers as result of league manipulation.
  • Quote:

    "Basketball is star driven and they want their stars in LA…"
    — John Holmberg [36:05]

• They debate Luca vs. Cooper Flagg as franchise cornerstones (unanimously Luca).
  • [38:03–38:22]

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7. Personality & Culture in NFL Locker Rooms

• Extended digression on NFL "meeting room" culture:
  • Offensive line rooms are the “fun” rooms—rowdy, sarcastic, thick-skinned camaraderie.
  • Long snappers are unsung, avoid attention lest a single mistake (bad snap) sabotage their reputation.
  • Hellestrae shares he hosted the only long snapper radio show—a status he sees as dangerous for the position(!)
  • Quote:

    "You don't want your name out there... you just want to go week by week."
    — Dale Hellestrae [57:30]

• Funny stories about team food, "cell block 6" (linemen’s room), endless eating, and football’s relentless caloric demands.
  • [59:08–60:03]

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8. Sidebars: Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce; Bill Belichick at UNC

• Joking comparisons of Taylor Swift to Shelley Long and the financial wisdom of her pending union with Travis Kelce—“the best 18 months of their lives”.
  • [25:36; 60:29]
• Mockery of Bill Belichick’s pivot to coaching North Carolina, the “trademarked gold digger” status of his girlfriend, and whether he can replicate his NFL success.
  • [19:31–23:48]

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9. Dave’s “Lunatic with a Bullhorn” – Conspiracy Rant

[Starts 61:20]

• Dave Nash spends the final segment on 9/11 conspiracies: Pentagon attack as missile/faked event, real IDs, government surveillance, and “loss of freedoms.”
• Holmberg and Hellestrae counter and probe, but mostly let Dave air out his theories.
  • Quote:

    "911 was behind the Mossad. Our CIA was behind all that... There's no airplane that hit the Pentagon."
    — Dave Nash [61:20]

  • [61:20–67:12]

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Notable Quotes / Moments by Timestamp

• "This is more like the show Kung Fu. You need a teacher. You two need somebody to help you snatch the pebble." — John Holmberg [03:27]
• "Soccer is just a personal preference. Those guys are athletes... Women's basketball is a bad product." — John Holmberg [09:42]
• "If you give up five sacks a season, you're not around long." — Dale Hellestrae [28:49]
• “If you lose two of the three that [Arch Manning]'s out and you walk into the… you could be the best team in football. If this kid comes back and there's injuries play a part. You can't just say 1, 2 losses and you're done because it's not fair.” — John Holmberg [15:21]
• "I just laugh when grown men fall. Gravity beating him for no reason at all." — John Holmberg [49:01]

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Important Timestamps

• [02:22] – Show opens, banter over podcast’s identity
• [04:51] – Transition to college football, complaints about preseason rankings
• [07:22] – Playoff expansion pros and cons
• [11:15] – NFL team over/unders, focus on the Saints, Falcons, Cowboys
• [17:55] – Texas’ historical shortcomings vs. elite programs
• [25:36] – Travis Kelce/Taylor Swift relationship digression
• [26:16] – Micah Parsons trade debate begins
• [39:43] – “For him to lie… we’re better today than we were yesterday… is just a flat out lie.”
• [51:15] – Prescott “most passing yards” prop, fallout of Cowboys’ defensive loss
• [54:09] – Coaching staff turnover and impact on Detroit Lions, NFL cycles
• [57:19] – Long snapper radio show, “don’t stand out” lessons
• [61:20] – “Lunatic with a Bullhorn,” Dave Nash’s conspiracy closeout

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Tone & Style

The hosts keep things fast, irreverent, and deeply opinionated—mixing sharp sports insight with frequent jokes, playful personal jabs, and the occasional off-the-rails conspiracy digression. There’s a sense of camaraderie and mutual mockery that keeps the show lighthearted even when discussing serious sports topics.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode delivers a raucous, wide-ranging discussion that uniquely blends sports talk, fevered NFL/NBA analysis, cynical takes on sports management, and bro humor. Listeners get a real fan’s perspective with expert insider tidbits, gambling knowledge, and, in true "This Sports Thing" fashion, a hefty dose of irreverence and anti-establishment spice. Even if you didn’t catch the episode, this summary gives you the flavor, major points, and the personality that set this podcast apart.

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

Check check check check check check check.

[Dave Nash]

Yep.

[Dale Hellre]

Check, check check.

[John Holmberg]

They'll give me hello.

[Dale Hellre]

Check check check check check.

[Dave Nash]

Can really hear him. That's a good Thing.

[Dale Hellre]

Hello. Shall we?

[John Holmberg]

And that's how this begins. We just start it with checking, running into the mics and then going, this is that sports thing podcast. My name is John Holmberg. I am the humble host of 98 KUPD's Morning Sickness, wildly successful show, Dale Hell Istrate, three time world champion with your Dallas Cowboys back in the days. Did they have face masks on helmets back then? We'll get to that later.

[Dale Hellre]

Single face mask.

[John Holmberg]

Did they have just one? Okay. And of course, entrepreneur and lunatic Dave Nash joins us as well. Do you want to tell, like, do you want a better introduction? No, no, no. What do you.

[Dale Hellre]

I do, though.

[Dave Nash]

You have a good one.

[Dale Hellre]

I mean, I'm also the co host of the wildly successful, wildly. Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Alternative.

[Dale Hellre]

I've got to ask you one question, both of you right now. When we started talking about the concept of this thing, wasn't somebody just gonna kind of be, you know, guest and. And all that, and. And now somehow, some way, I. I'm. I'm not pointing fingers. Well, okay, somebody. There's a damn host of them.

[John Holmberg]

Somebody has to be second. All right, look, the veiled concept in the beginning was we weren't sure I was allowed on this show, right? So the thought was, well, maybe I'll just be a guest that guides you two morons down through the desert. And then I realized this is more like the show Kung Fu. You need a teacher. You two need somebody to help you snatch the pebble because you're reaching for nothing right now. So you're lucky that I've decided to take on the reins.

[Dale Hellre]

We can't even come up with a damn name for the show.

[John Holmberg]

It's this sports thing.

[Dave Nash]

It's a good name.

[John Holmberg]

I think it's actually pretty good.

[Dave Nash]

This is his fourth week. He still doesn't know what we're calling.

[Dale Hellre]

Well, you gave us 19. You gave us 19 different shows. You know what?

[Dave Nash]

This one works better.

[John Holmberg]

You know what?

[Dale Hellre]

I really.

[John Holmberg]

I like it. I thought of that this week. I thought, for some reason in my head, I thought, remember the old twib? You love twib. This Week in Baseball. Yeah, with Mel.

[Dave Nash]

Mel Allen.

[John Holmberg]

This Week in Baseball. And he would get real excited about it. So I thought this Week in Sports Ball, because it's like what gay guys call sports. And I figured that would be perfect for you.

[Dave Nash]

You see the commercial with.

[John Holmberg]

It's already a podcast.

[Dave Nash]

Patrick Mahomes and what's her name? That Mega Trainer. Mega trainer.

[John Holmberg]

Trainer.

[Dave Nash]

She says he does sports. That just cracks me up when she.

[John Holmberg]

Says that yeah, he does the sports. And that's the thing for people who. Because it's more than just that. But I looked online and there's already a this Week in Sportsball podcast. You can't win. So this sports thing, nobody has come up with that.

[Dale Hellre]

Jeff.

[John Holmberg]

It is available. So here we are doing that.

[Dave Nash]

Stick with it.

[John Holmberg]

We're recording this just shortly after the. Oh, man. The battle. First and third. And this arbitrary choice of who's good at college football. Arbitrary. This nonsense of pulling balls from the air and saying they're the best team. This is a Heisman Trophy candidate who's never thrown a pass. Here's a guy who's never been on the field once. He's the best player. And I hate college football for this very reason. Number one. And number three, Texas and Ohio State played. And if those are the two best teams in football, you got a problem in college football, because that was ugly.

[Dave Nash]

Well, the two good teams are making it difficult for the other team.

[John Holmberg]

No, it was two teams that were inept at. Look, Sarkeesian, he called zero creative. They. Gus Johnson kept saying it. There's nothing creative about this offense at all, which tells me he doesn't trust his team yet.

[Dale Hellre]

Well, and the thing is, what people need to understand, you and Dave probably too, is the fact that there's no preseason in college. So not only. That's why I've always said, open up against Ohio University, open up against somebody. You don't have to watch it. I don't have to watch it, but at least get out there in a game type situation. But when you open up against another really, really good team, chances are the defense is going to be ahead of the offense.

[Dave Nash]

And why did they do that?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, exactly. Dollar bills. And I got to say, I. That is one thing college has changed. I used to hate in Ohio State opening up against, you know, the Ohio. The Dayton school blind or whatever it was, and winning 77 to 7 and cheering. And they're like, wow, that is. That's proof they're the third best team in the nation. I'm like, no, it's not. It's a patsy. It's a preseason game. I will say this. Ryan Day, who I think is kind of funny, and. And Sarkeesian, the coach at Texas. Those two teams were well prepared at the very least. That was not a sloppy, like we're, you know, false starts.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

That kind of stuff. Which is normally your preseason mess.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

They didn't do that. Hardly at all, but, man, was it ugly. And I just can't stand the idea that again, we'll go to ASU right down the road here, sitting at 11, has a much tougher road ahead of them, based on the preseason rankings than Texas and Ohio State do. Based because they were preordained as great, so they can only fall. And teams like Boise State, Iowa State, they have to climb, they have to prove themselves. Whereas a team that didn't have to prove themselves starts in the catbird seat.

[Dale Hellre]

Okay, but what I'm going to tell you what I do like again, the playoff, there's a lot of talk, how do you do this? What do you do, how do you see them?

[John Holmberg]

Blah, blah.

[Dale Hellre]

But what it does is it used to be if Texas and Ohio State played first game of the year, whoever lost that game, they're out. They're out.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dale Hellre]

And now with 12 teams, both these teams most likely are going to be somewhere.

[John Holmberg]

But is that because they're really good or is that because somebody already said they're good and they're placed in a position?

[Dale Hellre]

Obviously, it helps you if you start off good, but look at ASU last year. Yeah, ASU is not ranked last year. And they slowly, slowly built.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, you got, you got to bust your ass all year.

[John Holmberg]

Let me tell you this. And they did get in. Yes, through the, through. What was good was winning.

[Dale Hellre]

What were the big 12.

[John Holmberg]

Big 12 with 16 teams. Yeah, they're in the big 12. So they did win that to get into the playoffs. Yes, that was earned. Now, let's just say somebody with foresight last year sees Arizona State and puts them at number 10 to start the season. They would have been third by the end of the year.

[Dale Hellre]

I don't know if they'd have been that high because they are two games.

[John Holmberg]

Higher than where they would have. But no, I'm saying. Yeah.

[Dale Hellre]

Oh, yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah, no doubt about it.

[John Holmberg]

I'm just. I just hate that arbitrary choice system. I was talking to Nash before. I would love it if they just came up with 10 divisions of 10 teams. Because there's 120, you can cut a few out and put them in the division two, 10 of 10. And each division plays each other twice, home and away. And then one random rogue, like, for tradition's sake, which college keeps holding on to.

[Dale Hellre]

I think you could do that with four divisions, maybe.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, pretty much.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe.

[Dale Hellre]

I think you picked the top 40.

[John Holmberg]

Schools, but that's probably true. But then who's picking? So if you just give these schools like Alcorn State and you know, I don't even know who's in there anymore, Houston. And you say, all right, you've got a division to win. Go win it. And if they never do, they never do. Or do it like the Europeans do soccer and graduate.

[Dale Hellre]

Relegate.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, relegate. I think that would be great.

[Dave Nash]

That's the only good thing about soccer.

[John Holmberg]

I totally agree. I do not like soccer.

[Dale Hellre]

No.

[John Holmberg]

People give me crap about hating the WNBA out loud. And they call me a bigot and everything else, and misogynist, which, there's a little truth to this, but I also hate soccer. And that's.

[Dave Nash]

What do you hate more? Women's.

[John Holmberg]

Women's basketball. It's the worst product in the world.

[Dale Hellre]

I gotta be with you. It is awful. Soccer. Soccer.

[John Holmberg]

Look, soccer is just a personal preference. Those guys are athletes. They're very good at what they do. It's just what they do. I don't like. Women's basketball is a bad product. It's a bad product. You're not allowed to say so because they call you. Because they're too fragile for sports.

[Dale Hellre]

But they want man money.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dale Hellre]

They want man money, but not the Christian.

[John Holmberg]

If you want to get involved in sports. Look, I had a lady argue with me. She's a lawyer. And it felt great to win the argument because she was like, all right, so you hate it. And you're telling me it's not women? What about college sports? I'm like. For the most part, I don't like it. I don't like watching people's kids play for free. I'd go to a high school game.

[Dale Hellre]

But they're not playing for free.

[John Holmberg]

Not anymore. And I said it. I just don't like a subpar product. I like greatness. I like to watch really good. And I don't like bad pro teams. I'm not gonna watch one single Saints game this year.

[Dave Nash]

Not one.

[Dale Hellre]

Not even a little bit.

[John Holmberg]

No. No. Because that is a bad product. It's a bad. And it's still good enough to peek in. I'm just probably not going to go out of my way to watch.

[Dale Hellre]

Oh, I'm not. I wouldn't watch three hours.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not going to sit and watch that game. So it has nothing to do with who's playing? It's. Well, it does, but, I mean, is the product good?

[Dave Nash]

Back to the under, over on.

[John Holmberg]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Dave Nash]

It's five and a half. Oh, under. Right. Man, I think it's under.

[John Holmberg]

But that division they're in is so weird. They could steal three.

[Dave Nash]

Well, against maybe Carolina but they're going.

[John Holmberg]

To lose both the. Tampa, Tampa, Tampa's.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, exactly.

[John Holmberg]

And then you, then Atlanta maybe. You just don't know what's what when you start dealing with Spencer.

[Dave Nash]

I don't trust Atlanta because I don't trust their coach. I don't think coach knows what he's.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know who their quarterback is going to be.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, it's, it's Pennix.

[John Holmberg]

No, I know and that's what I'm saying. I don't know who that's going to be. I don't know who he is and what he brings to the table.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Anyway, it was interesting to watch Ohio State winning the game. Arch Manning is the greatest player that's ever played until he plays and then it's also a little irresponsible to say he's no good.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Nash]

Who's saying that?

[Dale Hellre]

Someone already struggling. He's, come on, he threw for 132 yards or something.

[Dave Nash]

I mean that's not great.

[Dale Hellre]

It's going to end up. He's going to be somewhere in between all world, his uncles and a schlub.

[Dave Nash]

Nah, he's not going to be a schlub.

[Dale Hellre]

That's what I think. Somewhere in between.

[John Holmberg]

How about the pressure on Arch Manning to go out there? Day one in the shoe you talked.

[Dave Nash]

About, you talked about the play calling. I was watching early and like the first one, first pass I think he threw, he's rolling out and trying to throw 25, 30 yards downfield. Yeah, you would think Sarkeesian would know that. Hey, get him some easy passes, get him some comments.

[John Holmberg]

Did you see his easy passes when he tried at a wide receiver screen. He darted two of them.

[Dave Nash]

Well after, after the first one. Maybe he's like shell shocked.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I think he looks shell shocked through the first half. Like every time the camera got on him he had that lost. But, but he was, you know, this is unfair to put all this on a guy but again he's got it, it comes with the name, it comes with wanting to be a quarterback and I l that he has money, he's pulling. But yeah, I just watched that and I thought all right, you watch two teams who are about 60% geared up. They're not really that good yet. There's a lot of talent on them. As far as blue chippers that have come in, I was, I didn't see the best player in football on the field. If he's out there, he's, he's not playing well.

[Dale Hellre]

That, that wide receiver supposedly the best player in college football. And he dropped two passes right. His hands.

[John Holmberg]

He did that last year as a freshman. In the first game, they're like, oh, watch this kid. He dropped the first two that were thrown to him last year. Again, they got to get. They got to get a little oil in the. In this thing. They just seemed really kind of rusty, and it showed. Not. Not a great football game, but it was good to have football back.

[Dale Hellre]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And that's what I mean. Can you see either of these two teams staying that way all season?

[Dale Hellre]

No. I think both teams will improve dramatically, and I'll say the competition will drop off.

[Dave Nash]

I'll throw you the question right now. Do both of them make the playoffs? One of them or neither of them?

[Dale Hellre]

If I had to bet money, I would say both of them make it.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm only going off of history of college football because you just don't know.

[Dave Nash]

It's a different thing now. I know, but a bunch of teams get in it.

[John Holmberg]

That's why it's confusing is because in the history, you're like, of course Ohio State and Texas are going to.

[Dale Hellre]

They're.

[John Holmberg]

They're going in. But now you're like, can somebody just. Will somebody show up and surprise you? I don't know if. I don't know. That's the thing about the draft portal. That's. Or the transfer portal, the nil money. Who's out there? That's kind of like we accidentally just stumbled into a TCU a few years ago.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

We goofed up and ended up with a really good football team.

[Dale Hellre]

Well, see, the other thing you got to remember now, Texas is in the SEC. They're not in Big 12 anymore. They possibly could lose two more games.

[John Holmberg]

Absolutely.

[Dale Hellre]

And if you. If you have three losses on your record, there's a drastic chance you're not making it, no matter what your name is.

[John Holmberg]

No, you got to do.

[Dale Hellre]

Alabama found that out last year.

[John Holmberg]

Pull some upsets.

[Dave Nash]

Alabama was just the last team.

[Dale Hellre]

But they found out. Looking in, but they found out. Yeah, it is.

[Dave Nash]

It is.

[Dale Hellre]

They didn't.

[Dave Nash]

They didn't start the season number one, though.

[Dale Hellre]

No.

[Dave Nash]

Texas has that advantage. And that is exactly what you're complaining about, that because they're ranked number one, they're going to get every benefit of the doubt going forward.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Was it the year that Michigan lost to the Mountaineers of West Virginia?

[Dale Hellre]

No, no, no.

[John Holmberg]

The Central Michigan.

[Dave Nash]

No, they. They lost to Appalachian.

[John Holmberg]

Appalachian State. That's right, Appalachian State. But they were ranked in the top five, if I remember. And they gave them two more weeks to fix that.

[Dave Nash]

They were a 40 point favorite loss.

[John Holmberg]

And. But that's the one that. And I used to talk to people love college football. You never know, somebody can bite you. I'm like, michigan was bad. You were told they were good and they went on the field and said, no, we're not. And they weren't good. And that's why, that's why college football, to me, this whole. I do like the new way better because you could lose. You know, Arch Manning could, could twist his knee and be out for three weeks and it's still a good team.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So if you lose two of the three that he's out and you walk into the, you know, you show up. You could be the best team in football. If this kid comes back and there's injuries play a part. You can't just say 1, 2 losses and you're done because it's not fair.

[Dale Hellre]

But in the old system it would be. You have two losses, you're out.

[John Holmberg]

You have an injury, your team's over.

[Dale Hellre]

But you're not talking about the elephant in the room. I think it was Matt Patricia who won that game. You're absolutely right.

[John Holmberg]

You're absolutely the rocket scientist.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah, he.

[John Holmberg]

Well. And I don't know how hard it was to game plan against the team that's quarterback. Was that shaky?

[Dale Hellre]

Well, no, I don't think anybody expected.

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Dale Hellre]

That.

[John Holmberg]

No. And I don't know how you game plan. I don't know. Look, you got to give college coaches like Matt Patricia's been around the block college coaches credit for walking into that going, we don't know anyone and what this team's got planned for us. So you go base packages there.

[Dale Hellre]

There are no preseason. There are no, you know, new coordinators. Yeah, both new coordinators for Ohio State. Yeah. You know, but you can't go into.

[John Holmberg]

That with any sort of game plan thinking, oh, we're just going to, we're going to blast them with, you know, gap blitzes and stuff. And suddenly you find out this team is just tight end heavy.

[Dave Nash]

On a scale from 1 to 10, how disappointed do you think Sarkeesian is with a loss? Because one, now they don't have the target on their back. Two, you can motivate the team to get, get back going. And you know, they're, they're, they're going to, they're going to fly a little bit more under the radar.

[John Holmberg]

I think they can walk away from that game pretty happy. They went into Ohio State Week 1.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Didn't play well and still had a chance.

[Dave Nash]

You know, Very good chance.

[Dale Hellre]

You don't have to go any further than last year when Texas went to Oregon. Yeah. Got beat by a touchdown at Oregon and then got to play him again at the end of the season at a neutral site and kicked the. But Jesus. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

They tarred them. The. The other thing that Texas should worry about is they had the exact same issues they had against Ohio State last year, which was short yardage going forward on fourth down, which is just insane. As many times as they did. I mean, they could have couple of points off the board because they just decided to get greedy. And those fourth down calls were just so.

[Dale Hellre]

Well, they both had fourth down and one on the goal line. Yeah. Ohio State scored.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And Texas didn't end in the championship game last year. Not championship, but the playoff game. Same exact thing. Texas lost that game and was down on the 1 or they were inside the 5. Could not convert that same exact play. Just jam a quarterback down the center. And they tried to do that Philly brotherly shove. And they don't have the horses.

[Dale Hellre]

No. There's only one team that can do that and count. Yep. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Even the Bills couldn't do it.

[Dale Hellre]

No.

[John Holmberg]

And Josh Allen, he's a monster. Yeah.

[Dale Hellre]

Here's the thing about Texas, and it goes back to when I played against them. They've always had talented guys, but it's usually the window dressing. It's the wide receivers. It's the. It's a skill positions that are flashy and cool, but when you line up against them, their lines of scrimmage.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellre]

Usually don't match up physically. League. Yeah. Against the other top programs. And that's just. That's the truth. That's history. Plus I hate being burnt orange.

[John Holmberg]

So you just don't like the color?

[Dale Hellre]

I. I don't like the school.

[John Holmberg]

We could get into that because while we were golfing, you made comments about the color of my shirt, making me some sort of a different human being.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah. Well, come on. You look.

[John Holmberg]

It was red.

[Dale Hellre]

It was. No, it was not.

[John Holmberg]

It was like a. Like an off red.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah. It was a mob. Light purple. It was a moi.

[John Holmberg]

And that's a col.

[Dale Hellre]

It's a button down all the way. All the way down.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It was not too tight.

[Dale Hellre]

It looked too tight for him. David. You would not have liked it.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. Scale from 1 to 10. Just looking. I'm thinking. I'm giving you about a 3 on that.

[John Holmberg]

It looked good. And think of who I was standing with.

[Dave Nash]

Well, up a Couple comparison, basic. I'm sure you probably didn't have food stains on your shirt like the other.

[John Holmberg]

By the end of the day that they were pretty. You could use them like a dipping tray. All right, let's talk about another college thing. I don't know anything about it. Are you interested in the North Carolina game?

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Absolutely.

[Dale Hellre]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

Yes. Huge. And I don't even know who they're playing.

[Dave Nash]

They're playing tcu. TCU is a favorite on the road in North Carolina. Given about a field goal. And as a gambler, I said, well, listen, you know, everyone is going to be saying, oh, Bill Belichick, all you guys, how you guys have hard ons for him. Everyone's going to bet Bill Belichick. I'm taking TCU because of that fact. If everyone's pointing one way, go the other way. I can't imagine Bill Belichick getting a field goal at home in his first game in college. Everyone thinks he's going to. They're going to. He's going to kick rear end just because he doesn't know anything.

[Dale Hellre]

Hold on. Have you. Has he cleared it with his girlfriend?

[John Holmberg]

You mean fantastic gold digger tm.

[Dave Nash]

That's fantastic.

[John Holmberg]

She got the trademark.

[Dale Hellre]

Girlfriend.

[John Holmberg]

She got the trademark. You didn't see that?

[Dale Hellre]

No.

[John Holmberg]

She and Bill filed for the trademark for the phrase gold digger. Really? Because she wants to start a jewelry line. Okay, genius. He's the genius.

[Dale Hellre]

But has she?

[Dave Nash]

Is he or she.

[John Holmberg]

Both of them. The fact that he went when she asked him is proof that he kicked in on this.

[Dave Nash]

I think he did that laugh like you just did. Because he's senile.

[John Holmberg]

No, because that's Bill.

[Dale Hellre]

So he's. He's okay to coach, though. I mean, there's nothing like. She doesn't allow him do certain interviews or answer certain questions. She. Is he allowed to coach Monday night?

[Dave Nash]

Look, it's no problem. She. She's. She's the one on the headset for him. She's calling down to him the plays.

[John Holmberg]

What to do is Jerry Jones soap opera. Bill Belichick knows how to manipulate everything. Now, the girl being part of this is a little off brand.

[Dale Hellre]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

But I think he's kind of looking at it going, this is a blast. I'm loving every second of these people jumping all over the thing they're keeping out of my coaching world, which he's not gonna let her infiltrate that. And if it fails in North Carolina, he's doing this for his son. This isn't Bill Belichick. Doesn't. He cares for his own legacy. He cares that he's, you know, following up his father, coach there and all that. He's doing this for Steve. Is that his name? The young one that's taken his time? I don't know if his name, but yeah, I don't know the boy that's gonna be the next Belichick coach.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

It's already in paper to say. All right. When Bill's done.

[Dale Hellre]

On paper, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

They are putting him in as a head coach. He just has to suck it up for a couple years, put North Carolina on the football map. They're decent.

[Dave Nash]

More than yeah.

[John Holmberg]

More than yeah. And so I look at this, like, what's a successful season? Were they a six win team last year?

[Dale Hellre]

What.

[John Holmberg]

What does it look like for Belichick to be. To. To remain a guy?

[Dale Hellre]

One more win?

[John Holmberg]

You think seven or eight wins?

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I think.

[Dave Nash]

I think eight. I mean, come on. If the way you guys drool over this guy, like. Like, if he can't go in two more games and get to at least eight, I mean, what are you guys talking about?

[John Holmberg]

Backtrack. I hate Bill Belichick. He was the bane of my existence for three decades.

[Dale Hellre]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Because he was with Cleveland before that, if you remember. And it's just. He was. He was starting to get them pretty good too. So I hate Bill Belichick. What he will do is see the loopholes in the college system and exploit them.

[Dale Hellre]

Do you think he has his quarterback inflating the football or.

[John Holmberg]

I played a little basketball yesterday with a ball that was a little deflated, and I caught it and palmed it. And I thought, I wish Dale was here to see that because I caught it in the air. I'm like, this ball's a little deflated and so easy to catch one hand. It's so easy to hold onto.

[Dave Nash]

Well, you're playing with a W. No.

[Dale Hellre]

I play with a regular basketball. You can do that.

[Dave Nash]

I know you want to play.

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellre]

Do you think when he retires from coach North Carolina, she breaks up with him?

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

For what? Is Steve getting that too?

[Dale Hellre]

Is that in paper?

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah. She can't wait to get a sail.

[Dale Hellre]

Off of the sunset as soon as.

[Dave Nash]

The gold digger jewelry line hits it big.

[John Holmberg]

He's got some of there. He's in on it. I think she leaves the first time she has to wipe him. And that's coming. That's. We're right around the corner here.

[Dave Nash]

All right. Odds on is it by the end of this year. Before the end of this year.

[John Holmberg]

Well, if he takes a vicious hit on the sidelines. Yeah. Then she's done. Yeah. I say he's got three, four good years left before he needs an in house cleaner. And I think she's going to walk away now. They'll hire help, but she's disappearing.

[Dave Nash]

I think she already talked him into.

[John Holmberg]

Power of attorney when he saw you think medical. Medical power of attorney. She can shut him down.

[Dale Hellre]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

I like that. I think that might.

[Dale Hellre]

I might be like, does he have. And can you imagine that conversation with his kids? And like, well, I want. I'm going to make her my power.

[John Holmberg]

If he marries her, the kids will. They'll burn his house down. There's no possible way that they'll. They'll not see the paperwork first.

[Dale Hellre]

But. And I'm with you. Although there's weirder things. It's just like with Taylor Swift and. And Travis. Kelsey, it'll be the quickest prenup meeting ever. You keep yours. Mine's mine.

[John Holmberg]

Yours is yours. Isn't that a dream, though? Glorious.

[Dale Hellre]

Yes. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And then you figure out whatever's going on. So that's the other news this week. College football's offline.

[Dale Hellre]

Oh, you got something?

[John Holmberg]

No, no, go ahead.

[Dale Hellre]

Well, there. I didn't know if you're gonna go NFL or whatever.

[John Holmberg]

No, no go.

[Dale Hellre]

Because there. There was something that happened this week.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. We'll move on to the bigger stories this week. Dale brings up Travis And Taylor. Yeah, all right.

[Dale Hellre]

That's a big story.

[John Holmberg]

Is it me or is she just like a new version of Shelley Long from Cheers?

[Dale Hellre]

Oh, I, I don't like.

[John Holmberg]

She.

[Dale Hellre]

I don't think she's gorgeous by any imagination. Don't get the. But she's all worth over a billion dollars.

[John Holmberg]

That's where I get confused. I can do this.

[Dale Hellre]

You need to start playing her on.

[John Holmberg]

I need to start being her and just take half of that. And then another thing that popped up this week you may or may not have heard about. I believe Jerry Jones made a trade again. And he's pretty. Look, Micah Parsons. Your home, Dallas. That's your team. You played for a lot of other teams, but that's the one you hang on to.

[Dale Hellre]

I played for them the longest.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you're a cool.

[Dale Hellre]

What happened?

[John Holmberg]

What happened?

[Dale Hellre]

Well, I think a number of things have. But. But the more I looked at this, it's flabbergasting because whether you're talking about T.J. watt, whether you're talking about the guy in Cleveland or you're talking about Miles Gary, Mike, Michael Parsons, he had 12 sacks last year. Yeah, 12. Yeah, 12 sacks played, I think 14 games. I think he was injured three or four, three quarters of a stack a game. Right. And they're going to pay him $45.

[John Holmberg]

Million argument to that. And I don't disagree with what you're saying. 40?

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah, 47. So I, I just.

[John Holmberg]

He's led the league all four years in quarterback pressures. He's never been lower than second.

[Dale Hellre]

But he disappears against the run.

[John Holmberg]

He. Well, you. If you scheme against him. Yes, you can. Because Dallas only had. Now what the, the bigger thing for me was what Jerry said in that press conference. I think Jerry got caught with his pants down thinking it was just going to be another last minute signing that he's been so famous for and then he'll take the heat for. Why didn't you do this in March? What. What the heck to wait for? You know, Dak and CD he could.

[Dale Hellre]

Have saved two or three million dollars.

[John Holmberg]

When he said our run defense has been poor for a while and we wanted to shore that up. You didn't draft a defensive lineman till the sixth round. Like you knew that. So why can't. And this may be something only you know well for sure in this room. Why can't Jerry just go? I could call my pants down. I thought for sure we're going to sign him. We were so far apart, I had to make a last minute move.

[Dale Hellre]

But at the end of the day. Here's the thing. And John, obviously you two both make a lot of money and you. And so you guys are more adept at this, more aware. The fact is, if you actually look at it, the Packer paying them about $6 million more per year than the Cowboys. But there's this thing called Wisconsin state taxes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellre]

There's no Texas state tax. Yeah. But it's that much when you get down to it, it's really about a million dollars more is what he's signing for. And it's something that I know Jerry's always used, the teams in Florida always use. Because a million dollars goes a lot further in Texas and Florida than it does in California, for sure. You know, and again, the thing that just mystified me when I started thinking about if you're an offensive lineman and you give up five sacks a season, you're not around long.

[John Holmberg]

No. You're starting to get looked at.

[Dale Hellre]

You're not, you're not, you're not around long. And so you're going to tell me that you're going to pay me three plus million dollars per sack.

[John Holmberg]

But the argument to that though is the pressures. And Mike is not great at run stopping. He's. He's a very, he's heavy pursuit guy.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

But if you said like you're, if you're playing tackle and your schedule has you against TJ Miles, then you go play Aiden Hutchinson and. And all of a sudden you're playing you. You've got seven or eight games where you've got the, the league sack leader one after another. Micah Parsons in that list too. And you get all of them in a row and you give up three sacks, you're a hero.

[Dale Hellre]

Right, right, right.

[John Holmberg]

So I mean, you're scheduled like it for me, it's about pressures. If you can keep that guy away from your quarterback because that, that disrupts a play a lot more than a sack. A sack is just a penalty, but.

[Dale Hellre]

Basically what a pressure can do, it leads to interception, leads to terrible decisions.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And bad fumbles and things like that. So Micah is two and three on this every single year. One and two, actually. And so you look at that and you're like, that's tough to lose when you already lost Lawrence. Your number one pick, Mim Sims, whatever his name was a couple years ago, he's a bust.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Which is why they got Clark from Green Bay to replace him, essentially Mozzie. So I look at this as Jerry's. Jerry still lives on the Herschel Walker thing. I think when People say to him, jerry, you need a Walker. He thinks of Herschel and really what he needs is something.

[Dale Hellre]

Here's the thing, the Herschel Walker trade, you guys probably weren't paying attention to the Cowboys back then. That was 19. Sure we were.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, everybody trade was something you paid attention to.

[Dale Hellre]

The Cowboys got hammered, of course. How do you trade the only player you got? Well, that's why you trade the only player you got. Right.

[John Holmberg]

And that makes tons of sense to me. I never, I was never against the idea that this team had, what, one win? Why are you holding on to the Suns? I go on all and on about Devin Booker like, you're going nowhere.

[Dale Hellre]

You and I had agreed on that.

[John Holmberg]

Why, why not take Advant getting seven or eight picks for this guy now and recognize you're not going to win anything?

[Dale Hellre]

And now you led me right to where I was going to go, it seems like. And, and, and again, I have not talked to anybody in Dallas just yet, but it seems like there was only one conversation between Green Bay and Dallas. Why not put that out there? Yeah, I think you could have got. Because the two first round picks are going to be in the 20s.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Well, and that's what everybody's saying. You do this back in March when you're like, I'm not going to come to an agreement with him and we've got to shore up our run defense.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

You could have gotten two players from, from New Orleans, from Jacksonville, from a team that's probably going to pick, you know, 15 or higher.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. But they're not going to want him because like you just said, one player means nothing.

[John Holmberg]

Well, those teams that are not very.

[Dave Nash]

Good are not going to be much better with them.

[Dale Hellre]

They're not going to pay $45 million.

[John Holmberg]

People said that. No, people said that, though. When the Reggie White thing happened, it was like, the packers aren't a player away. Nobody knew about Brett Favre. Nobody knew. They think Makowski was still quarterback. And they went, and Reggie. And everybody got on Reggie going, oh, he doesn't care about championships. He cares about the money.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And Reggie White changed the whole team. I don't know that Parsons is that good.

[Dave Nash]

No. Well, even if that's more of an attitude, too. Reggie White was a leader.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

As part, he's in his fourth year. I watched a lot of coverage of this and I kept hearing people say, because they just wanted to hype it, oh, he's the first ballot hall of Famer if he keep. But I'm like, he's in his Fourth year.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Calm down. Like, this is crazy. He's very good, no doubt about it. But one ding to the knee, that slows him down. And he's had some injury issues. Like he gets. He gets knocked two, three, four games.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So I look at this as a win for Green Bay, but I don't see it as horrible for Dallas in the trade aspect as I do the fact that they just blew the timing.

[Dale Hellre]

In the public eye. The Cowboys come off looking like they don't know what the hell. Right.

[John Holmberg]

And in fairness, they don't. This because of his press conference. Had he just said in that press conference, I was behind the eight ball and I'm not paying him that.

[Dave Nash]

Is it a money thing? I mean, like a cash thing currently? Because obviously he's a quadrillionaire because he owns everything. But does he have the cash to pay that out?

[Dale Hellre]

Yes, he does. And that's why he doesn't mind, because one of the big criticisms is he signed Dak and he signed CD Lamb late. And if we assigned him earlier, he could have saved. Right. 10. Somebody said upwards of 50, 60 million dollars. They would have signed him when he should have. Yeah. So it's not a money thing, it's a prison.

[Dave Nash]

He's not open coupons when he goes.

[John Holmberg]

To the grocery store. On a 53 man roster. Had he signed Micah for 44, let's say, right.

[Dale Hellre]

They would have.

[John Holmberg]

Dak, CD and Micah would have represented 53% of the payroll of the. Yeah, there can't do that.

[Dave Nash]

There is a salary cap in this league, isn't there?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

So you figure you can't, you can't pay everybody.

[John Holmberg]

You can't pay 50 guys the other half.

[Dale Hellre]

I'm just curious if he did make some other phone calls to say, hey, whatever, San Francisco or somebody in the afc, Buffalo or somebody would have.

[John Holmberg]

Would have paid top dollars.

[Dale Hellre]

You would think.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, Buffalo is. To me, Buffalo is.

[Dave Nash]

Wait a minute.

[John Holmberg]

They're one.

[Dave Nash]

You guys think. He didn't, he didn't put this out to everyone.

[Dale Hellre]

Why? All I'm going by is this. Yeah, it's tough to be a fan in Dallas right now. Any sports.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my God.

[Dale Hellre]

Because the Luca thing went down that way. They just talked with the, with the.

[John Holmberg]

Lakers and the Luca thing had merit in one regard. We can cross our fingers and hope that the draft pick is number one. And it was.

[Dale Hellre]

It was number one.

[John Holmberg]

Football doesn't have that.

[Dale Hellre]

And the other. And the other thing about the Luca deal is what the Dallas Mavericks had seen was a dude that shows up out of shape, overweight every year and now you're going to ask me to give you $300 million.

[Dave Nash]

I'm still. I'm going to pull another conspiracy theory.

[John Holmberg]

Out of my rear end. It's not time.

[Dave Nash]

And say, you know, the league would like to have big stars in big markets.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

In regards to.

[Dale Hellre]

So you think the league gave the Mavericks a little kick?

[Dave Nash]

Well, hey, listen, if you think Mark Cuban cares about anything other than, you know, money and oh, we put Luke over in la, we could hire.

[John Holmberg]

But Cuban's not even there. He's not the owner anymore.

[Dale Hellre]

He sold the team.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's a bunch of other dudes.

[Dale Hellre]

Well, he had like a 40.

[John Holmberg]

He's got a piece, but he's. He doesn't. He can make a phone call. That's about it. He can't make the decisions. That was all Nico, the, the gm.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And I look to me, I agree with. Look, unfortunately I'm on Nash's conspiracy side because I look no further than Kobe Bryant, which was the biggest hype player coming out of high school ever, getting traded to Carolina from. From Charlotte. Charlotte for Vladi Diva straight up.

[Dave Nash]

That wasn't a great trade for.

[Dale Hellre]

No.

[John Holmberg]

And it's. You had to think to yourself, this athletic 18 year old, that the world is flipping over, over a center that he's okay.

[Dave Nash]

Basketball is star driven and they want.

[John Holmberg]

Their stars in LA and LeBron and Luca together while LeBron fades. And Luke, it's a cornerstone for a decade. So that, that trade to me, I'm with you a little bit. That the NBA will manufacture deals to be.

[Dave Nash]

I'm not betting my car on it. I'm not. I don't think I'm betting my slush here on it.

[John Holmberg]

But two things have happened in the NBA that make you know that that's true. One, that trade happened right as they realized, oh boy, Cleveland, Indiana and Oklahoma City are headed towards the finals.

[Dale Hellre]

They're too damn good.

[John Holmberg]

Oh boy, we gotta, we gotta spruce up this LA team and LeBron ain't getting any younger.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Years ago, when I forget who was injured, it might have been Kobe. But he came back at the end of the year and the Lakers were looking to be like an eight seed. And they said, you know what we should do? Let's have that first round go seven games. And in the middle of the year, they changed the playoffs to have round one go seven games. Used to be five.

[Dale Hellre]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And it was because the Lakers were going to match up with Kobe against. I forget who the number one seed was. And they ran them because that. Technically, when Kobe. I think it was Kobe who was injured. Was that when they had that number one team? It was a different animal when they had Kobe on the. But they were an eight seed. So they're like, let's give them a couple extra games here and make them win.

[Dave Nash]

Dale, you're Mr. Basketball. You don't remember all this?

[Dale Hellre]

Come on. I don't necessarily remember that. I thought you would go with Patrick Ewing gets the Knicks, got the number one pick. And you're right. I. I think about Dallas all of a sudden in the lottery, hey, you. Luca goes to the.

[Dave Nash]

Luca goes there, and we'll give you the number one pick. How did it happen?

[Dale Hellre]

And.

[John Holmberg]

And. And everybody going, this is ridiculous. But they're like, to hold out, wait on this. And then you end up with Cooper flag, and everything seems okay again.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Dallas Cowboys don't have the luxury of that pick just being the coin toss.

[Dale Hellre]

No, it's going to. It's going to be in the 20s.

[Dave Nash]

Hey, I'm sorry. I want to go back before we get up. All right, Dallas Mavericks. Who would you rather have, Luca or Flag?

[John Holmberg]

Well, looking at Luca now. Have you seen him? Yeah, I keep Luca. Lucas, He's.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah, but that was in Dallas was constantly injured. He wouldn't get.

[Dave Nash]

Also the unknown you have.

[Dale Hellre]

I know.

[John Holmberg]

I take Luca all day. Okay, I take Luca all day.

[Dale Hellre]

But I mean, look, especially this new Luca.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, new Luca looks amazing. Like I say, you're not losing either way. You know, That's. That's a. That's. One was like, okay, so I lost that argument.

[Dale Hellre]

I think that maybe Cuban and company should have put a beach in Dallas.

[John Holmberg]

Jerry and. Oh, they got a lot of sand. Got a lot of Sam. Okay, so let's talk about what Dallas did right here, because Clark's not a terrible player. He's just not Micah.

[Dale Hellre]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

And you look back at the Herschel trade, which everybody's trying to make comps, and there just isn't. And you watch that documentary again. We talked about it last time. The documentary of the genius of that trade was if I cut all five players I got from Minnesota, I get five picks.

[Dale Hellre]

There was a draft pick correlated each.

[John Holmberg]

One of them, and he.

[Dale Hellre]

Nobody. Nobody knew that no one.

[John Holmberg]

And each guy had a number attached. And then cutting all five of these guys, because on sports talk radio, on all the other stuff, like, ah, Jerry's an idiot. This carpetbagger came in and destroyed the only guy we've got. I'm watching a lot of the same things happen. You know, on Instagram, TikTok, people taking their Cowboys jerseys and throwing them away. Taking the. Taking the license plates off their truck, screaming and yelling. I listened to.

[Dave Nash]

I think that's why Jerry did it. He wants to sell more jerseys.

[John Holmberg]

Look, he's got. He's got his eye on the money. But I do think that this one was different in that that team was close. The Cowboys are not far off, and now they've taken a step back. For him to lie to the fan base and say we're better today than.

[Dale Hellre]

We were yesterday, well, that's the issue.

[John Holmberg]

That is just a flat out lie. And I think that's what people make Jerry out to be an idiot is when he sits there and, you know, I have to do the thing with my face. Do the impression. You have to pull your face back. Like good old facelift right there. I tell you what there, Dave Nash, this team's better than they were yesterday. And that's for sure. And people just look at him and go, no, they're not. And there's no way you can convince me they are. You lost two free agents on the defensive line. You had a bad draft of D lineman and then you traded the only guy on your front seven that's any good digs in the back. They get a good secondary, well, half of a good secondary, but without pressure, it's not going to matter.

[Dale Hellre]

That makes cornerbacks the other thing that we don't know. And that's why. It's why I always kind of reserve judgment, because we don't know what kind of disruption had he become. I mean, when he's laying on the trainer's table, sleeping in a preseason game, that if I'm Schottenheimer the coach, if I'm Jerry Jones the owner. Yeah, I'm freaking pissed.

[John Holmberg]

I'd love to have heard Schottenheimer say I wanted him out.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not dealing with that on this.

[Dale Hellre]

Team because again, so we don't know how far that goes in locker room.

[John Holmberg]

But go back to Jerry Jones the gambler.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Charles Haley, Michael Irvin, he doesn't care about distractions.

[Dale Hellre]

Okay. But here's the thing. Like when Charles Haley came. Yeah. It was a calculated gamble. He's calculated that Troy Michael, Emmett J. Novichek, Mark, Twin A. Yeah. Those guys are going to be strong enough leaders that they're going to keep him at bay.

[John Holmberg]

So you don't have that on this team.

[Dale Hellre]

You know, I don't know of anybody on this team right now.

[John Holmberg]

That makes some sense, you know?

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

So I'm kicking myself because a couple of weeks ago I said I like Green Bay. I thought they'd be the surprise team. I should have put them then before they did that trade.

[John Holmberg]

Now they're like plus a thousand to win it.

[Dave Nash]

No, it didn't change that much because one player I think doesn't affect Vegas that much. But it did move it down a little bit. But I jumped all over it after. Even moved down.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

I'm still kicking myself.

[John Holmberg]

It's a quality bet now. Let's talk about that though too because Green Bay sits back and they're. Everybody's like, oh, they're definitely going to be the third. The Dallas might get a 31st pick as they're in the Super Bowl. It's happening.

[Dave Nash]

I bet him.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. And it's a good.

[Dave Nash]

I bet him all the way around.

[John Holmberg]

It's a good bet. But.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah, but you didn't bet Baltimore in the preseason. So you're kind of a knucklehead.

[Dave Nash]

Total more.

[John Holmberg]

The Eagles aren't worthy. They might be a little bit less than they were last year. This is the Lions defense got better. They're healthy again. Should be back nine guys.

[Dave Nash]

That is a whole new coaching staff. I don't trust anything they're going on over.

[John Holmberg]

But it's. But you got all your healthy players back in. The talent wins out. If these coaches are at all capable. And I think Dan Campbell is one of those guys that just puts guys in places and they win.

[Dave Nash]

He is a leader.

[John Holmberg]

He's for sure. I didn't. You will.

[Dave Nash]

You will go to war with him.

[John Holmberg]

I totally agree. I don't think his style lasts for years.

[Dale Hellre]

No, no, no. And that's things like Jimmy. Yeah. Well, watching that thing. Brooke and I just finished watching episode eight last night and. And again, it almost chaps my rear end now when I hear Troy and I hear some of these people talk. Oh, Jimmy would have stayed Jimmy Baloney.

[John Holmberg]

You don't think so?

[Dale Hellre]

No. Jimmy's. Jimmy's thumb. Squeezing down on an entire team only lasts so long.

[John Holmberg]

It stops being fun. And you get superstars who are like, I'm not listening.

[Dale Hellre]

No, I'm. I'm done with this.

[John Holmberg]

There's too much pressure. It'll break the team.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I think Dan Campbell's a rah rah yeller and I think he knows the game and I think he's the motivator and he does the push ups and stuff with the team. But when you're going Through a little bit of a struggle. And you've heard it all before, right. Cotton Fitzsimmons, when he was with the Suns, a few of the players are like, I've heard this speech before.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I think it was Kevin Johnson that brought it up. And it's like his style used to juice me up, and now I'm just tired of it.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I don't know if that's his style. In the locker room, he might be maybe as Buddy. Buddy as, like, Switzer was that you don't see and you don't know. I mean, I would say I'm going to give you credit. You're a good father. Hey. Yeah, he was a great father. And so you know when. When someone does something wrong, you get on their tail. When someone does something, you love them. Yeah. And you're. And even when you're on their tail, you're showing them because you love them. If he's showing that, I don't think that'll get old. I don't know. I'm not in the locker room.

[Dale Hellre]

Well, all you have to do, you have to look no further than Bill Belichick. What, 20 years with new England. Yeah. To you, to me. To Dave, he seemed like, yes, it was hard. Every time you heard him talk, you're like nails on a chalkboard. But to do it 20 years.

[John Holmberg]

And everyone I know that met him outside of football talked about how funny he was.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[Dale Hellre]

And so there was. There. There was. Obviously, it's a little bit like Troy. Troy wanted to present himself professionally. Yeah. He didn't. He. He and ha. In his interviews and all that. And then all of a sudden, people see him doing games or out and about go, oh, he has a sense of humor, personality.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It's a weird thing because I look at this, all that's gone on with this Micah trade, that has opened the eyes of all the other team. They act like there's no other team in football now that they've got it. Did Green Bay have anyone last year that an offensive coordinator had to scheme for?

[Dale Hellre]

No.

[Dave Nash]

Now that I know, that's what.

[John Holmberg]

That, to me, is the change.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

That's the only change. Now, would they have been better off spending 25 million on two free agents if they had 47 million floating around? What were they doing? Why is no one on them for leaving 50 million in the coffers? They're going into a season where they're obviously. Everybody thinks they're this close to winning a Super bowl, and you had 47 million to play with. I'll get me four people.

[Dale Hellre]

Sell me some more of those fake stock things.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah. One of those stupid things. They act like the fans on the team.

[Dave Nash]

I'll disagree. I'll say, you know the 8020 rule? Okay, 80, 20 rule.

[Dale Hellre]

Sure.

[Dave Nash]

20% of your the workforce does 80% of the work. 80% does 20. And same thing in talent. In sports. 20% of the guys have 80% of talent. Vice versa. He's a 20 percenter, but he's a 20 percenter. You can go out and get free agents who are 80 percenters. You got to pay him that much. Who cares? You got it. You want guys that are 20 percenters that make a difference. The more 20 percenters you have, the better you are.

[John Holmberg]

You're a better. I completely agree with that. And I look at, I look at it, look, I look at it from my Steelers perspective. If I saw 30 million sitting there unused going into the week of the regular season and I'm like what are we doing right? Like this team is this close and we're sitting on top of that. We got bounced in the playoffs last year by a better team. We can, we can match them with a player too. Now maybe the Mica move was on their radar. So let's hang on.

[Dave Nash]

If that was that is he should win the general manager award.

[John Holmberg]

No question right now because had he hung on to money because it's like something's going on over here. Oh and but any picked it up 10 days before the season starts. Genius. I don't see anybody with that foresight.

[Dale Hellre]

And, and honestly when you look at it, two first round picks and a defensive lineman. Pro Bowler, Pro bowl these days you're a Pro Bowler. Yeah. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Snoop Huntley who got cut was a Pro Bowler two years ago.

[Dale Hellre]

It's, it's kind of nonsense. I cool now with the Pro Bowler thing but I'm just wondering about the haul the Cowboys got back. Yeah. And that's why I keep on wondering if it was just one phone call. Green Bay, you want him? Here it is. Rather than somebody would have given him three first round picks.

[John Holmberg]

I think that's why this sports thing podcast. John Holmer.

[Dave Nash]

Great names.

[John Holmberg]

Dale, Dave. Yeah, they're involved. That's why this one to me is we. I watched so much stuff this week to say like what you're saying about what the picks and what they're going to do with them. And they started talking about will the Cowboys get Arch Manning? And I'm like they've got 132 million in dead money on Dak Prescott alone.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Why would you even consider.

[Dale Hellre]

You're going to package your two twenties.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellre]

And move up.

[John Holmberg]

And people are saying now, oh, they're probably going to have a high pick to trade them. Like they're so suddenly, this Cowboys team after Micah Parsons goes away is a five win team. And what's the over under on them now, Dave, for who? Cowboys?

[Dave Nash]

That's a good question.

[Dale Hellre]

Hey, by the way, I just want to let you know, because I know you. You're not real familiar with Dave. You know, I know him, but when he's, when he like, is yelling.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellre]

He's not yelling at you.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I understand. I find it hysterical.

[Dale Hellre]

He's yelling to the Netherlands, into the.

[John Holmberg]

East, into the ether.

[Dave Nash]

Was I even yelling?

[John Holmberg]

You got a little red ass in that one.

[Dave Nash]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

You turned, you turned the color of my shirt the other day. You're a mauve or mauve as Dan.

[Dave Nash]

That was, that was. That was about a 3 out of 10.

[John Holmberg]

And I know that and I find it hysterical when grown. But people take that person like, no, no.

[Dale Hellre]

Why is he yelling?

[John Holmberg]

The thing that a yeller will get with me, that will. Then I start laughing at him. You can't be this upset.

[Dave Nash]

You've been on his show. He's creating yelling.

[John Holmberg]

That's.

[Dave Nash]

That's what he's looking for.

[John Holmberg]

And I find it historic what he does. I think grown men crying and grown men falling and grown men yelling are hilarious. Oh, my God. There's not much funnier than a grown man just falling. Gravity beating him for no reason at all.

[Dale Hellre]

You're like my daughter. My daughter starts laughing. I'm like, you don't. When somebody falls, somebody gets hit in the face with something. It's like, it's like websites. Well, don't you want to see if they're okay first?

[John Holmberg]

We'll get to that. But there's nothing funnier than unexpected tragedy so long as everybody lives. But if Nash fell right here, we'd die laughing before we'd ever ask. Yeah. Okay.

[Dale Hellre]

Hey, I will tell you this, but what that brings up to me is I remember at SMU we get three or four or five ice days a year in Dallas. Yeah. And you know, you'd be walking to class, you'd be walking somewhere, and out of the corner of your eye, you see somebody walking over and lose it. Oh, you start laughing. And I just always said, I am never going down by myself. No. Because the first thing they do, they get up and they look around. See, everybody saw.

[John Holmberg]

If you do stay there, fake a seizure, do something, make it terrible so they feel bad about life.

[Dale Hellre]

And I did fall one time, but I was walking with three or four people. I just put my arms out.

[John Holmberg]

If I'm going down, you're going with me.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

If you fall alone and you see even tripping, like when people, like, trip over nothing and they always look back like the earth moved on them. Fall down, fake a seizure, you know, develop tumors right there on the ground, and anybody who laughed is the jerk. And you're like, I'm gonna make it, so thanks for caring.

[Dale Hellre]

It's the cancer of the God.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I'm loaded with it.

[Dale Hellre]

I'm loaded with it.

[John Holmberg]

Always make it 10 times worse. So the person laughing and that. That comes from a laugher, because I will laugh at you if you fall, but if you started to foam at the mouth and shake, I'd be like, oh, boy, I shouldn't have laughed.

[Dave Nash]

Dallas, you went down a whole win.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, so they're at seven.

[Dave Nash]

They were. They were. They're under over was eight and a half. Now it's at seven and a half.

[John Holmberg]

So that. Yeah, he's good for a win or two. Micah.

[Dave Nash]

I agree. I don't. I'm not as comfortable betting them.

[John Holmberg]

But let me say this. Over seven, George Pickens, CD Lamb, Dak Prescott. Good for a win the other way.

[Dave Nash]

One of the things I can go over some picks, I went ape crap crazy over the. After this. Betting this, that, and the other thing. And I bet you can bet who has the most passing yards. I picked Prescott because of the weapons he has.

[John Holmberg]

They're going to be throwing, and they're.

[Dave Nash]

Going to be throwing because they're not going to be stopping people like they were before.

[Dale Hellre]

Where do you find these bets?

[John Holmberg]

They've made it now. You can build your own.

[Dale Hellre]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, it's. It's frightening at this point, but I see the Cowboys and Bengals as the exact same team right now. In fact, I think the Bengals are a little better on defense.

[Dave Nash]

Yes. And. And so I bet Prescott over his pass yardage.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Most passing yardage. Whatever.

[John Holmberg]

Here's the scary thing about the Cowboys, though. But I, you know, they have to score 30 to win. They can. And I think that team can be. I don't think it's a championship.

[Dave Nash]

Who's a running back?

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's the problem is that. Can they run the ball? But do they need to?

[Dave Nash]

No. Again.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

They're going to be down 20, and they're going to be throwing the ball like crazy.

[John Holmberg]

So Whipping it all over the place. So, yeah, we'll see what this does. I don't see this as the be all, end all trade that everybody's making it out to be. It's a big deal. And Mike is a great player. And it does help Green Bay, but Green Bay still has a mountain. Look, Jordan, Love is not Joe Montana. When that.

[Dave Nash]

I also bet him to win the mvp.

[John Holmberg]

Doesn't mean I'm doing everything. That doesn't mean he's like, I better.

[Dale Hellre]

Do this for Baltimore in the preseason.

[John Holmberg]

You're not some dying kid in a.

[Dave Nash]

Hospital never going to live that.

[John Holmberg]

You're not some dying kid in a hospital making him hit home runs.

[Dave Nash]

No, I get that. I will say this. Tell me if I'm wrong. I'm asking you the question. The way you stop an offense is you put the quarterback on a seat he can't throw when he's laying on his back pressuring the quarterback. To me, maybe I'm stupid. Is the most important thing for a defense. And Grey Bay just got one of the most important things for their defense now. All right, they lost a big run stopper in the middle, but.

[John Holmberg]

And they can't stop the run.

[Dave Nash]

Listen, I with. We go throw his dead carcass out there on the line. Just let him plug a hole and you don't lose that much.

[John Holmberg]

That is dumb. That is a dumb take, Dale.

[Dave Nash]

I'll still throw your carcass out there.

[John Holmberg]

And I think you'll do just fine in a hole. They're gonna at that carcass and they're gonna. And that's exactly what they got to do. I didn't see Green Bay. I. I see Green Bay making a hole to fill a glaring need.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And that's not great because now teams are gonna be like, all right, we'll scheme against Mike and we're gonna run away from him to this new hole. Unless you got somebody there that we don't know about, we're gonna try to exploit this and then Mike is gonna move around.

[Dave Nash]

They actually have a pretty good. Don't they have a guy named Gary over there?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, they've got good players. They're. They're great. This definitely made them a little better.

[Dave Nash]

All right.

[John Holmberg]

But I do think that it didn't make them this. You know, they're going to win every game, 31 to nothing. Their. Their offense still has to perform. They're. They're saying, golden. Their first round pick already the 1 receiver. Well, that scares me to death. That means your 2 and 3 weren't.

[Dave Nash]

Either that or no. They're. Hey, they had a lot of guys they could count on last year. They had a very deep, wide receiving core. And now they bring another guy in and said, hey, those guys were okay, but this guy's even better.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, you know what?

[Dave Nash]

I need to put more money on Green Bay.

[Dale Hellre]

You just the thing real quick. I want to point this out because you brought it up. It was just a quick talking point. As a guy who has been on a team, the Dallas Cowboys, who started getting our coaches taken away from us. Yeah. First guy we lost was Dave Wonstadt. We win the first Super Bowl. Wonstadt goes to Chicago. What? Wasn't ready to be head coach, but we. Yeah. He hires super bowl winning. Right. Defensive coordinator. Then the next year, we win another Super Bowl. Then North Turner goes to Washington, and you start plucking. Yeah. Those people away. And so it. Detroit will be.

[John Holmberg]

You think Detroit will have.

[Dave Nash]

I think you're gonna have a big problem.

[John Holmberg]

Detroit has that. So it gives Green Bay the edge there and that.

[Dave Nash]

No doubt. And that's why I said I like Green Bay to win that division. I bet that, too. But. But did once that. Did he keep the locker room light also by coming in with that stupid mustache, making everyone laugh?

[John Holmberg]

What in the world?

[Dave Nash]

Am I wrong or am I. Tell me.

[Dale Hellre]

He had a little hair lift. That's why. That's why.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, my God.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, what about Bill Cower's mustache? Or do you hate all mustaches or just.

[Dave Nash]

No, I. Listen. He looks more like Pepe Le Pew with the mustache.

[John Holmberg]

All right, that's enough of that. A bash and Cower on that one. I also want to get into this. I was going to do the. The comp to Luca and stuff, but I think you guys, we covered that. I mean, it's obviously. I'm sorry, The. The Tight End University is airing this week.

[Dale Hellre]

Okay. Right.

[John Holmberg]

Or maybe it's even next week. It might be when the first and they. And it looks kind of fun, right? You got all these tight ends hanging out past and present. I watched Dallas Clark was on a show this week, and he was talking like, God, he's. He's fun. Tight ends seem to be sort of a fun group.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Like, they're a funny bunch of just.

[Dale Hellre]

I think they're all over the board. You got serious dudes. You got the George Kittles of the world.

[John Holmberg]

Right. It seems like that's that position. Like, they're between being defensive linemen and offensive lineman somewhere in that mentality of, like, we're not superstars. We're almost wide receivers. But we have to block, right? And sometimes we. You know, we just. They get into being those big lo. Fee kind of fun guys. I thought that was fun. And then I started thinking how great Long Snapper University would be.

[Dave Nash]

I like it.

[John Holmberg]

I think that show.

[Dale Hellre]

I like it.

[John Holmberg]

Like, these unsung heroes have their own kind of convention every year. Who's the who? Dale, don't. Who's the most fun of all the long snappers? Like, playing today, today, yesterday, whenever. Who is the guy? You're like, that dude's a blast. Because that's a position. You have to have a sense of humor. You have to. Because your life is so pressure packed. And you play four times a game sometimes.

[Dale Hellre]

But see, he. Here's maybe.

[John Holmberg]

Well, if you're on you.

[Dale Hellre]

If you're punting a lot, go on punting field goals.

[John Holmberg]

All right? You got some guys who are struggling out there.

[Dale Hellre]

Go on. All right.

[John Holmberg]

Seven times. I'm sorry. You're right. Seven plays a game.

[Dale Hellre]

But. But here's the thing. As a long snapper, like, I became a little bit nervous because in Dallas, everything gets blown out of proportion. And I had a radio show, and I had this. You did? Oh, yeah. And myself and Mark Q and A.

[Dave Nash]

First radio show ever by a long snap.

[John Holmberg]

Is that right?

[Dale Hellre]

Yes. And maybe the only one still happened.

[John Holmberg]

So maybe these guys are lame.

[Dale Hellre]

But here's the thing. You don't want your. You don't want your name out.

[John Holmberg]

That's true.

[Dale Hellre]

You just want to go week by week by. I think I've told you, you just.

[John Holmberg]

Think about wanting to see you on.

[Dale Hellre]

The super bowl out here. They. They said, hey, you need to go by and get your mug shot. You know, where you start throwing your football up. And I didn't go, no way. And our PR guy, Rich Dalrymple, said, dale, you're the only guy who hasn't gone. You need to go in tomorrow. It's the last day. I said, okay. And I didn't go. And he goes, why didn't you go? I said, when are they gonna show me when there's a bad job?

[John Holmberg]

What if you're insecure?

[Dave Nash]

You know what? I think Dale is a moron. But that is the smartest thing I've ever heard of.

[Dale Hellre]

Very smart.

[John Holmberg]

But what if your insecurities are in the way? And your great snap.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

What's the difference between wins and losses?

[Dale Hellre]

Hey, look at that. Great snap to the butter. Boom. Go to hell.

[John Holmberg]

It's like, might have Happened. Hey, you might have gotten that lucrative modeling career.

[Dave Nash]

I've never heard an announcer say, what a great snap. They don't care. Never, ever.

[John Holmberg]

It's expected. It's expected.

[Dale Hellre]

Oh, that bad. Snap. Punk got blocked. It's hella strange. They're playing a goofball.

[John Holmberg]

What position is the most fun? Like, they're always fun. The guys that come in here, like, this is just a group of dudes. What room in every.

[Dale Hellre]

Oh, I think if you went in the offensive line. Meeting room.

[John Holmberg]

That's the fun one.

[Dale Hellre]

But you. You better put your. Your coat of armor on.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, they're mean.

[Dale Hellre]

Not me. But busting chops like this. Yeah, yeah, you're. You're busting if you don't have thick skin. Yeah. You know, you learn to put up a mirror real quick, you know? Hey. Hey, you. Hey, you fat ass. Well, he's fatter than I am. Okay. Try getting the focus off of you. And so, yeah, that would be.

[John Holmberg]

That would be my guess.

[Dale Hellre]

But we called IT cell block 6, and nobody wanted to come in there because it smelled weird. Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

A bunch of Frito eaters just constantly. Food farts, corn chips, country boys. Eating, eating constantly.

[Dale Hellre]

And we were just comfortable in there.

[John Holmberg]

You told me that one time that when you stop playing, like, was it you that said you just. I just didn't want to eat anymore. I couldn't keep up. Like, I was eating so much.

[Dale Hellre]

Unfortunately, no, that wasn't me.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, maybe.

[Dale Hellre]

But they told me he loves one.

[John Holmberg]

Thing about it was you. You ate so much, you got tired of eating. Like, Like, I can't keep this weight because I'm burning 12, 000 calories at practice, and I gotta eat.

[Dave Nash]

I'll accept that challenge.

[Dale Hellre]

I, I, I, I. I told my mom one time, going, when I was going to SMU because they wanted me put on weight, and I literally told my mom, I said, mom, I'm tired of eating. It sucks. And I rue that day.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that is because.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Wish you could have that back.

[Dale Hellre]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

How about that, boys? That hour went fast, wouldn't you say? That was quick.

[Dale Hellre]

That's an hour.

[John Holmberg]

I waited an hour right there.

[Dale Hellre]

Wow. And we still got.

[John Holmberg]

That's why I'm getting to it. The unofficial close of this sports thing is I think. I think we solved a lot of problems. I think we saw the Micah thing, made a lot of. Of sense to me. Got the Luca stuff involved. Talks about quite a bit. Travis, we got it all. All the weeks, all the week.

[Dale Hellre]

Say, you do not say. Are you happy for them or no.

[John Holmberg]

Who's that?

[Dale Hellre]

Travis.

[John Holmberg]

And I don't care. It's going to be the best 18 months of their lives. That's what I tell everybody who says they're getting married.

[Dale Hellre]

18 months.

[John Holmberg]

I say that to everyone. Hey, we're getting married. I'm like, it'll be the best 18 months of your life.

[Dale Hellre]

I. I made you pay K's daughter before.

[John Holmberg]

That's why I don't go to weddings. Yeah, you got to pay people who are going to be like. Like a year later. Like, what you do with my gift. Which one of you got it?

[Dale Hellre]

Hey, give me the $500.

[John Holmberg]

Which one of you guys got that?

[Dale Hellre]

You're divorced?

[John Holmberg]

Last I saw. He's with some new girl. I got to get them a gift, too. It's not happening. It is time for the unofficial ending of this sports thing for Dale Hellre, three time world champion the Dallas Cowboys. For me, John Holberg, host of the wildly successful morning sickness at 98kUpd, it's time to turn it over to what I like to call this segment. I've got a name for your segment. Okay, it's time now for the Lunatic with a Bullhorn. Dave, take it away.

[Dave Nash]

Well, as we said last week, 911 was behind the Mossad. Our CIA was behind all that, unfortunately. And we talked about the towers falling down, the buildings falling down. There's no airplane that hit the Pentagon. And it's on plan. It's on film. There's no plane wreckage. You can see. Folks can go out there, go find footage of what the Pentagon looked like after it. It was a hole about 15 by 15. 20 by 20. Let me ask you how an airplane fits into a 20 by 20 hole.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know that those numbers are accurate or made up. I'd have to look into that.

[Dale Hellre]

But no black box, no motor, no engine. No.

[Dave Nash]

No lug.

[Dale Hellre]

No. No.

[John Holmberg]

That one's got some eyebrows raised and definitely in my.

[Dave Nash]

And again, where's the plane? No plane. Our government said a plane hit.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Start, start. Start using your head.

[John Holmberg]

So was it. You're saying it was a planted explosion?

[Dave Nash]

No, it was a missile.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, we shot a missile.

[Dave Nash]

We shot a missile into it.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, and the end game, for what reason?

[Dave Nash]

Again, Patriot act, we can surveil us anytime. Homeland Security, they are watching us. They are. Because just. Just a couple years ago when the lunatics were in charge. Yeah, they were. They were monitoring everybody.

[John Holmberg]

There goes fdr.

[Dave Nash]

And if you say. And if you say something wrong, that doesn't meet their agenda. Now, you're attacked.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not fighting you too hard on this one, but I will play devil's advocate.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, sure.

[John Holmberg]

They couldn't have gotten all that done with the two planes we actually saw go into the Trade Center. They had to fire a missile into the Pentagon.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Why?

[Dave Nash]

Hey, it's a. Hey, if you're going to go, go all the way. This is not. This is not just. Why did one of them hobby that they were pulling off?

[John Holmberg]

Why did one crash in the middle of Pennsylvania?

[Dave Nash]

You want to save that for next show? Because I'll tell you what. But no plane crasher either.

[Dale Hellre]

Oh, that was a hero.

[John Holmberg]

Let's roll.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, that's a good story. They had a good story written up for that. There's no plane wreckage in Pennsylvania.

[John Holmberg]

Now you said last week there were no. Nobody was on those planes.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

It's a missile on that. Okay. Yeah, right. But on the. On the planes into the buildings.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. No, I think. Listen.

[John Holmberg]

Sacrificial lambs had to go.

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

You don't think anybody was on those planes?

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

What about all the people that were.

[Dave Nash]

You name me. You tell me. You name me. The people that were.

[John Holmberg]

David angel is the one I think of first. He was an executive producer for Frasier. Cheers. And he just disappeared from the planet that day.

[Dave Nash]

Might have killed him and said he's on the plane. I don't know. Listen, I wasn't in part why? Why?

[John Holmberg]

Why the executive producer of Frasier had to go Homeland Security.

[Dave Nash]

Why would you fire. Why would you plant a plane into the buildings to kill 3,000 people in those towers.

[Dale Hellre]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

No, I'm with you.

[Dave Nash]

That there's an argument take away our freedoms. And they've done it.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

They have done it. They are. It's entrenched and they every day they consistently are looking to take our freedoms away.

[Dale Hellre]

We don't have to take our shoes off anymore.

[John Holmberg]

That's true.

[Dale Hellre]

Take our shoes off anymore. Of course. But Johnny, he was going to be option and not get his star id.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not doing that.

[Dale Hellre]

And hey, he couldn't fly.

[Dave Nash]

Very wise.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

You know what? You can. There's things you can do to get an id.

[John Holmberg]

Passport.

[Dave Nash]

Does it.

[Dale Hellre]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

Bring your passport. Don't get those because I don't have.

[John Holmberg]

One of those either. By the way.

[Dave Nash]

They will monitor you about but those.

[John Holmberg]

Do you know how they passed me because I didn't have one and I went through the airplane. I got a private plane. Dave. That's what you do. But you know how they had to. You know how they had to get you through Satanist.

[Dale Hellre]

Damn right.

[John Holmberg]

You're damn right.

[Dale Hellre]

It's.

[John Holmberg]

If it's private flying, you bet I am.

[Dale Hellre]

I'm not walking out of this building next to you because he might have had a few phone calls.

[John Holmberg]

I'm just. So I went in there, and the. The way that they did it, they went to the county register, the. The website for the county, maricopa.gov and looked me up and asked me what my address was. And I told them, and they saw it, and they're like, okay, that was.

[Dale Hellre]

That's your private plane, though. You're not getting on Southwest or.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that would have been easier. No, the reason. Absolutely, absolutely. Because I know for a fact you go through those. They have. Have I found out why TSA is in the airport where I was flying? They don't have one. They have an agreement to say your employees will handle security.

[Dale Hellre]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

If anything starts going sideways, you're going to owe us. And TSA costs money.

[Dale Hellre]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

So, like, okay, so there is a TSA agreement, and they air TSA regulations, but they have to say, stay super strict at the small airports. The bigger airport, they can walk me right into a room and go, all.

[Dale Hellre]

Right, why'd you do this?

[John Holmberg]

Let's talk about this. You need that id. And then they go, why do you do that? I'm not gonna. I mean, the only reason I didn't do it is because it was just a money grab.

[Dave Nash]

I. I have information regards to what you lose and what kind of freedoms and privacy you lose when you do a real id, I'll gladly send you that video. You can watch it. So, you know, so you're doing the right thing by not getting that. That is a federal id. Yeah, you can get a state id. That's a federal id.

[John Holmberg]

That's right.

[Dave Nash]

You don't need. You don't need it.

[Dale Hellre]

Also, you two are getting along really good.

[John Holmberg]

How close have you been to being a society sovereign citizen? Have you looked into that?

[Dave Nash]

I looked in there because I've got.

[John Holmberg]

A couple friends who did it. Yeah, they went nuts. But their understanding of the commercial code and all the laws that go with it and what you give away when you sign your driver's license.

[Dale Hellre]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

That's horrifying.

[Dave Nash]

Everything.

[Dale Hellre]

It's already too late.

[John Holmberg]

Well, then, what's the. Well, then, cheer up.

[Dave Nash]

We need to tell the younger, young, young people what?

[John Holmberg]

Who cares about them?

[Dale Hellre]

And now you say, hey, dogs are going to suffer. Whoa. Now something's going to happen.

[John Holmberg]

Wait a minute. What you just say yeah, that's a problem.

[Dave Nash]

I'm for you. I'm with you.

[John Holmberg]

Lunatic with a bullhorn. I like it. I like it a lot. That's it. The sports thing is over. My name's John Holmberg. There's Dale. Hell, there's Dave Nash. If we're still doing this next week, we'll see you then. So.