The Sports Thing w/Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 3 - 08-24-25

Summary

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Holmberg’s Morning Sickness: The Sports Thing w/Holmberg, Hellestrae, and Nash – Episode 3 (08-24-25)

Date: August 26, 2025
Location: 98KUPD, Arizona
Guests: John Holmberg (Host), Dale Hellestrae (Three-time Super Bowl champion, former Dallas Cowboys), Dave Nash (Entrepreneur), with supporting banter by show regulars

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Episode Overview

This episode blends irreverent sports debate, first-hand NFL nostalgia, and conspiratorial side-roads with the trademark sarcastic tone of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness. Key topics include sports nicknaming culture, athletic greatness versus specialization, insights from the new Cowboys documentary, the realities and reform in college football, and deep dives into NFL culture—including player mentalities, safety, and notorious incidents. The episode ends with Nash’s signature “conspiracy epilogue,” riffing on 9/11 and institutional distrust, keeping the conversation both provocative and entertaining for sports fans and skeptics alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Sports Nicknames and Banter (03:00–07:00)

• Holmberg rails on radio and athlete nicknames: “I don't like nicknames in general. For the most part, I'm not a nickname guy.” (04:11 — Holmberg)
• Nash discusses being called “Angry Fan” on-air and shares discomfort with radio schtick.
• Baseball’s tendency for nickname laziness: “It’s either an -er or -y. Baseball guys are so stupid with names.” (04:30 — Holmberg)
• Exploration of the “Baby Bull” moniker and accidental double meanings, leading to jokes about Nash’s physique.

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2. Specialization vs. Well-Rounded Players in Sports (07:00–12:00)

• Nash on his minor league career shortfall: “I was always thinking, you know, I had all the skills, except my speed was just average... I should have concentrated on what I do well.” (07:38 — Nash)
• Holmberg and Hellestrae debate what gets you to “the next level”—greatness at one thing versus consistency across the board.
• Discussion of MLB players (e.g., Pete Rose, Greg Maddux): Would they make it in today’s metrics-obsessed era?
  • “If you say Pete Rose doesn't make it in the pros today, you're out of your mind.” (09:30 — Holmberg)

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3. The Memory and Preparation of Sports Greats (12:00–16:00)

• Holmberg admires the photographic recall of coaches/broadcasters:
  • “Al Michaels... remembered the score of this preseason game he called.” (13:31)
  • Sean McVay “knows all the plays. And he's not alone.”
• Hellestrae shares anecdotes about MLB pitcher Bob Welch and approaches to elite hitters like Pete Rose.
• Golfers’ photographic memory: “How do you remember every single shot... even shots you've only watched?” (14:13 — Holmberg)
• “There's a different mentality with success—the greats.” (14:46 — Holmberg)

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4. Lessons from the Cowboys & NFL Culture (16:00–41:00)

4.1. Leadership and Hard Work

• “Our three best players were our three hardest workers: Aikman, Irvin, Smith.” (18:10 — Hellestrae)
• The ripple effect of top players’ work ethic: “If your top three guys are not... the rest of the team follows.” (18:33 — Hellestrae)

4.2. Fakeness of NFL Narratives

• On “first-in, last-out” culture: “Doesn’t mean he’s doing anything... first thing he did was eat!” (19:19 — Holmberg)
• Hellestrae: “Being there is not always accomplishing work. We were 4–12 in Buffalo, in the building 7:30 to 6—half the time was nonsense.” (20:01)

4.3. Irvin, Deion, and The “Mob-Like” Dallas Team

• Michael Irvin's on/off-field intensity: Charity basketball tales, true competitiveness, and locker room dominance.
• Holmberg: “The documentary—if you haven’t watched, Dale is somewhat of a star on... what will soon be the top-watched show on Netflix. It’s number four.” (23:07)
• Hellestrae on Barry Switzer’s coaching style vs. Jimmy Johnson’s cold professionalism versus personal touch (44:24).
• Michael Irvin’s wild personal life (“stabbed a guy in the neck” jokes), the “White House” scandal, and sense of family: “That’s exactly what the mob says... You were the Sopranos!” (41:48 — Holmberg)

4.4. NFL Player Safety and Concussions

• “I'm convinced the NFL knew by the mid-80s... we were told 'shake it off.'” (34:31 — Hellestrae)
• Discussion about concussions, memory loss, and the changed approach to safety.
• Moving tribute to ailing teammate Bill Bates and the wrenching impact on family: “He can look at you, John... you can see in his eyes he knows who you are. But he can’t speak it.” (39:28 — Hellestrae)

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5. College Football: NIL, Transfer Portal, and the Demise of Purity (59:00–67:00)

• “Every quarterback in the SEC is probably making a million a year... They’re still making a boatload.” (59:29 — Dave Nash)
• Pay-to-play is the new norm: “We're doing legally what we used to before. We're better at this than everybody.” (65:00 — Nash)
• “What I believe is the worst thing about college football right now: transfer portal.” (60:50 — Hellestrae)
  • Calls for strict transfer windows and eligibility reform.
• Big-money boosters now key to program survival, especially at non-legacy schools. “You gotta get a billionaire… just like the pros.” (65:10 — Holmberg)
• Lively debate about blips versus dynasties and joking rivalry jabs at U of A and ASU.

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6. NFL Draft, Deion Sanders Controversy, and Conspiracies (51:36–58:50)

• Nash and Holmberg riff on NFL collusion rumors on draftees like Shador Sanders.
• “What’s the hatred for Deion? ... He seems OK… made a couple dumbass 21-year-old decisions, and yeah, I did it on my way here.” (56:24 — Holmberg)
• Rapid-fire jokes linking NFL injuries, vaccine skepticism, blood clots, and a mix of sports and world events.

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7. Nash’s Conspiracy Deep Dive: 9/11 and Institutional Distrust (68:43–79:00)

• Final “Dave Nash Epilogue”—Conspiracy Deep Dive
  • Ruminates on 9/11, Building 7, government coverups, and the “club” running the world.
  • “The evidence is undeniable. Maybe listeners don’t even realize… on 9/11, three buildings came down that day.” (70:04 — Nash)
  • Building 7 collapse questions: “A 48 floor building came down in its footprint… you explain to me how that happened.” (71:21 — Nash)
  • Holmberg: “I'm fine with them lying to us every once in a while because we’re mob and mob mentality is always wrong.” (74:00)
  • Quote of the segment: “My problem is they're trying to kill me, my family, my friends… Conspiracy theorists are critical thinkers.” (75:45–79:04)
• Panel trades tongue-in-cheek accusations about globalists, Freemasons, and manipulation in both sports and society: “That’s what being a globalist means. Count me in. Is Jerry Jones a globalist?” (77:35 — Holmberg)

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Noteworthy Quotes & Moments

• On Michael Irvin’s relentless drive:
  “He just doesn't know how to turn this, this. No, just from 10 down to 5.” (22:34 — Holmberg)
• On work ethic and the Cowboys’ 1990s dynasty:
  “Our three best players were our three hardest workers: Aikman, Irvin, Smith... you just follow their lead.” (18:10)
• On the “Sopranos” style Cowboys:
  “You were the Sopranos. You got away with everything... you were paying off the right people. The city loved you. You could do nothing wrong.” (41:48)
• On being a multi-tool athlete:
  “If you're good at all five things, they're going to keep an eye on you.” (08:43 — Holmberg)
• On the NFL’s approach to concussions in the past:
  “The hits never hurt, it’s just… you walk back thinking, ‘I just killed him.’” (35:03 — Hellestrae)
• On college football’s lost purity:
  “Where’s the purity in college football argument now?” (60:18)
• On Building 7 and 9/11 skepticism:
  “It came down in less than free fall speed, 6 1/2 seconds. A 48-floor building came down in its footprint… you explain to me how that happened.” (71:21 — Nash)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Sports Nicknames Debated: 03:00–07:00
• Specialization vs. Well-Rounded Play: 07:00–12:00
• Memory of Great Athletes/Coaches: 12:00–16:00
• Cowboys, Leadership & NFL Work Ethic: 16:00–25:00
• NFL Safety & Teammate Stories: 34:00–41:00
• Cowboys Documentary Takeaways: 23:07, 41:06, 43:00, 44:24
• College Football/NIL/Transfer Portal: 59:00–67:00
• Smith, Sanders & NFL Collusion Jokes: 51:36–58:50
• Nash’s Conspiracy Epilogue (9/11): 68:43–79:04

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a lively mix of genuine sports insight, locker room anecdotes, and the show's signature humor, with side trips into darker conversations on NFL safety and sports corruption. Die-hard fans will appreciate the rich first-person accounts, and even if you're on the fence about Nash's conspiracy rants, you'll be entertained. All in all, if you love unfiltered sports talk with a side of sharp wit (and some wild tangents), this is a must-listen.

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Transcript

[John Holmberg]

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[John Holmberg]

This for the rest of our lives. The.

[Dave Nash]

Or this.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know.

[Dave Nash]

I like this sports thing.

[John Holmberg]

All right. I'm just saying by me. Sounds like something they would have done on ESPN2 that was quickly canceled.

[Dale Hellestray]

No Ocho.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe the Oo, you know, it's. The Oo has some fun stuff.

[Dave Nash]

Can. I mean, do we deserve better?

[John Holmberg]

Before introductions, let's get into the OO for a second because the OO has wiffle ball.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Which I don't know if you've watched is extremely entertaining and I don't know if you've seen them.

[Dave Nash]

I would. I would watch that in a heartbeat, man. Right?

[John Holmberg]

It's awesome. And. And it's. And it's like these two brothers started this league and they've got fields. It's amazing. And then the other one was this. I don't know how. It's like 1974 came back and nobody cared about health anymore. They've got this goo slide that's covered in this slippery ky jolly or something and every. All these people have to run up it and you get to a certain level, it gets a little steeper. You slide and you're knocking everybody down.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you racing people? You're racing so you can trip a.

[John Holmberg]

Person and so the Ocho has that on. I'm watching.

[Dave Nash]

Isn't it on already on on abc? What's that used to be?

[John Holmberg]

Battle of the network stars. Well, you've been in a coma since Howard Cosell died. That's a long.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, that's not on anymore.

[John Holmberg]

No, that's been. That's been off for me.

[Dave Nash]

I've been looking for power.

[John Holmberg]

Nash has been waiting for Heather Locklear in the dunk tank again. But yeah, so then they had kids do it and I'm like, this is horrifically dangerous.

[Dale Hellestray]

I've just seen guys clip, you know, get a little bit ahead of them, clip their, their foot out, slide all the way back.

[John Holmberg]

It's incredible. So if we were on the outro, we should be so lucky is what I'm saying. This is a, this is a one of those early FS1 shows.

[Dale Hellestray]

This is a startup.

[John Holmberg]

It's a big. It's the beginning and so far so good. Let's get right to it. Right to my left is three time super bowl champion from a long time ago. Art Star, I think was the MVP the last time you won a Super Bowl.

[Dale Hellestray]

Neil o' Donnell played against.

[John Holmberg]

That's right, Dale. Hell is dream. It's not important. He played against a lot of people. Dale Hellas tray from the Dallas Cowboys, Dave Nash, local entrepreneur and hypertension sufferer. No doubt about it. David Nash is here. My name is John Holmberg from 98 KUPD's wildly successful Homework's morning sickness.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Dave, go ahead.

[Dave Nash]

I just, I don't even want to go by my name.

[John Holmberg]

I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to if I was you.

[Dave Nash]

I did a radio show with him for years. I went by the angry fan. I would say John. Just call me the angry fan. And I know you're not going to do it.

[John Holmberg]

I will not do it. I don't like. I don't like radio nicknames. I don't care for like wacky radio.

[Dave Nash]

Is that wacky?

[John Holmberg]

It's an attempt to be wacky. And it's another swing and a miss.

[Dale Hellestray]

Wow.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

We're on our third episode and we're already some strife.

[John Holmberg]

Here's some anger in there. I'm out of the angry feel.

[Dave Nash]

I'm sitting this one out.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'm Douche Canoe and this is Floor Wax. I'm like, I just have a name and go. I don't like nicknames in general. For the most part, I'm not a nickname guy.

[Dale Hellestray]

But you probably never have had one.

[John Holmberg]

I've had plenty of.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, what would it like?

[John Holmberg]

How would you Nick Home Daddy? Homie Home Burger Helper? I've gotten tons of them and they're just dumb. And like.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, those are dumb.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And all of them are.

[Dale Hellestray]

How about Helly?

[John Holmberg]

Hel's just shortening her name for.

[Dale Hellestray]

But that's a nickname.

[John Holmberg]

Mentally.

[Dale Hellestray]

They called him Big bully or Big.

[John Holmberg]

I guarantee you I know your nickname in baseball. Nashy. No, because baseball, it's. Oh, cuz you have a big assure. Nasher. It's either an er or white. Baseball guys are so stupid with names.

[Dave Nash]

I agree.

[John Holmberg]

Gracie Belly, Nashy, Nasher. They'll mix it up a little bit. Lordy, it's like, come on, Corby for Corbin Carroll. Now I'm like, guys, if it's not a nick, just say their names. Brady, my co host for now on my radio show, his neighbor introduced himself as Laser.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, you gotta earn that.

[John Holmberg]

You can't show up and give yourself the nickname to new people.

[Dale Hellestray]

You never introduce yourself by your name?

[John Holmberg]

No. You come in here, say, hi, my name's Todd.

[Dale Hellestray]

How are you?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, a lot of folks call me Laser. You'll find out why.

[Dale Hellestray]

You only have to say that because you'll hear other people call them Laser and all of a sudden, yeah, maybe I'll call them that. Or not.

[John Holmberg]

I had a tendency to call people just by their last name for a while. Then I found that to be kind of what I'm like, all right, hella stray or Nash or whatever. I would do it that way. But I don't go with like angry fan. Did you actually want people to call you that?

[Dave Nash]

I.

[John Holmberg]

You just didn't want people to know your name. Exactly. Right.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, exactly.

[John Holmberg]

And you got tired of getting hit with those.

[Dave Nash]

Now it's. Now it's out.

[John Holmberg]

Got tired of the bruises from the ten foot poles girls hit you with in high school. So you just. You try not to identify yourself.

[Dave Nash]

Totally.

[Dale Hellestray]

There is love in the room. There is. There is love in the room.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Baby Bull.

[Dale Hellestray]

I asked them about the Baby Bull.

[John Holmberg]

Why do they call you Baby Bull? Because everybody thought you were a lesbian.

[Dave Nash]

Are Baby Bulls lesbians?

[John Holmberg]

Well, there's a nickname for lesbians that is kind of funny. The Bulls?

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

You didn't know that?

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. No idea.

[John Holmberg]

I don't get around.

[Dale Hellestray]

So maybe your nickname meant more than what you thought it was.

[Dave Nash]

They were calling me a big lesbian.

[John Holmberg]

You do have the same hairc. Similar Bill. If I were to draw, like, if you were the epitome of a car, like, if you were a car that came to life as a human, you would be a Subaru. So there is truth to the idea that you might be the bull.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I did. I. I always wanted to be, like, Slick. Listen, I wanted to.

[John Holmberg]

That's a drug dealer.

[Dave Nash]

Didn't happen.

[John Holmberg]

Slick's a drug dealer.

[Dave Nash]

No, I didn't want to. I didn't want to be slick. I meant. Yeah, more fl. Like something makes me quicker.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, you want a faster name. Like.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I don't want to be a baby. Bulge is like a big fat slob.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

I don't want to be the big. Yeah, all right. I already got that.

[John Holmberg]

So.

[Dave Nash]

I mean, I want something else. Hey, people always want to be what they're not.

[Dale Hellestray]

I guess so.

[Dave Nash]

Matter of fact, that's probably what worked me right out of baseball. If I would have just lifted weights, took the roids like everyone else did, hit home runs, because I hit home runs anyways, I could hit a ton more.

[John Holmberg]

Best season, and that would have got me there in. In the minors.

[Dave Nash]

No, it was maybe only 10.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that's pretty good. So you take Roy, you get up to, like, 18, you're now.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. In the minor leagues, you don't hit a lot. You hit a lot.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but still, you get 18 of them, and the next. Next level is waiting for you. Yeah, the. The great. There was a Giovanni Soto. The Cubs hit 26 home runs in the minor leagues. And then went his. His rookie year as the Cubs. 26 home runs that year. And, like, what's going on here? One rookie of the year, and then he got busted for some peds a couple years later. But still, he could not. You couldn't hit home runs until you started to add to it.

[Dave Nash]

I was always thinking, you know, I had all the skills, except my speed was just average.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

And I was thinking, if I could run.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Then I got. I got all the tools, so I was always concerned about losing weight.

[Dale Hellestray]

So you're fully. You're a full four tool guy.

[John Holmberg]

You have four out of five. Four out of five tools. That's pretty good. That's 80% of the tools.

[Dave Nash]

But you know what? Again, I concentrated. I was trying to concentrate on what I. What I didn't do well. I should have concentrated what I do do well.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And make. Because honestly, everyone that I played with, the guys that really were made it and special they had one particular skill that stood out above everyone else. They did something great. And if you're really good at everything, who gives the poop?

[John Holmberg]

No, that's not true.

[Dale Hellestray]

If you're just good at everything.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Get called up.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Disagree. If you're. If you're good at all five things, they're going to keep an eye on you.

[Dave Nash]

Bang your head right.

[John Holmberg]

You have to be great at one thing and good at all the rest.

[Dave Nash]

Correct.

[John Holmberg]

But if you're good at all of them, you're going to. You're going to stick around.

[Dave Nash]

You don't even have to be good at the other ones if you're great at one of them. I mean, listen, think about this. If Pete Rose was coming up today in baseball, oh, he'd be a.

[John Holmberg]

He'd be.

[Dave Nash]

He'd have found a way in with what he's no.

[John Holmberg]

Its leader.

[Dave Nash]

Right. All right, so he's a good hitter.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Good hitter, great defense.

[Dave Nash]

There's. There's plenty of guys that are just slap good hitters.

[John Holmberg]

Fast.

[Dave Nash]

He was fast.

[John Holmberg]

Charlie Hustle.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah, he's hustle.

[Dale Hellestray]

But he was fast.

[John Holmberg]

But that many had heart and he got to where he needed to be.

[Dave Nash]

Ask.

[John Holmberg]

Ask Ron Hasse if he's fast or not. You know, I made the dude apart.

[Dave Nash]

I made the comment about you being the GM of some football team, of my enemy team. Because you don't know what you're talking about there. You don't know what you're talking about. Baseball.

[John Holmberg]

If you say Pete Rose doesn't make it in the pros today, you're out of your mind. I'll. I'll. I'd love to sit next to you in the next draft.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hey, tell me this. Do you think Greg Maddox gets called up to the majors today?

[John Holmberg]

I think people saw what they saw with Greg Maddox abilities and his professionalism and how he was changing the game from the bench. Even in the minors they saw this dude is keeping nose.

[Dave Nash]

He could still throw 90. You got to get it up over.

[John Holmberg]

90 and no one could touch him. And do you ever. Have you seen the thing on him with. He had his own. Can't remember the guy's name. The catcher. He had his exclusive catcher in Atlanta.

[Dave Nash]

McCann.

[John Holmberg]

The way he would. No, no, no. It was a different guy. It was a Eddie something. I can't remember his last name. Where Greg would receive the throw Back from the catcher is the next pitch. If he caught it with his arm out, if he caught it with his hand in right, if he reached across to catch it, where he caught it was letting Eddie know really where the next pitch is going. He was that ahead of everybody.

[Dale Hellestray]

I just don't know if he progresses in today's game.

[John Holmberg]

I think, I think his skills are universally forever because when he, even in his day, in the steroid era, in the masher home run steroid era, Greg Maddox worked magic. Two hour, ten minute games, you could not touch him. It didn't matter how much, you know cheating you were doing, how much you were spinning the ball back on the other side, he was going to get through your line.

[Dave Nash]

I agree. I wouldn't want to face him at all.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, but my argument is in today's day and age where all they want is 100 miles an hour, well, I don't know if he moves along the path.

[John Holmberg]

They definitely look at it differently. But I think if you see a guy who's just getting everybody out and you can't explain it and he's a, he's a student of the game and he's a professor of everything, there's always a guy out there who's like, he doesn't have the skills. But Kyle Hendricks of the Cubs was a poor man's Greg Maddox the first couple years because he just didn't have the velocity, he didn't have the control either. That was the bigger thing. He could still get by a lineup, but he didn't have what it took to, to be smart enough to understand. There's a thing on Greg Maddox where he talked about him pitching to Craig Bijio and he threw a ball inside to him just to see what he would do with it. And he took him out and he's like, he's going to see that next time I see him. And it happened to be in the playoffs and he called that same pitch knowing he doesn't know I'm not going to throw this. He thinks I'm not going to throw that pitch because I gave it to him before. And Bizio just, just completely guesses wrong. And he knew and he went back to the dugout and told the catcher, he goes, remember back in August when I gave him that pitch to see what he'd do and he, he never expected me to throw that again. You know, it's, it was so incredible. The memory of, of all of it is so amazing.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, we're bringing out some, some names from the past. I Don't know what our ultimate, you know, 20 listeners are going to be, what their age ranges is and all that.

[John Holmberg]

Teach them, Dad.

[Dale Hellestray]

I used to talk to Bob Welch a lot. He used to be a member at Angola and. Yeah, great guys. He passed away a few years ago, but he would say, like, he won 26. I think he's the last one, 27 games. And he said the following year, he actually pitched better but didn't have the run support. So it's always interesting, but he's. He would tell me about facing Pete Rose. He said. He said finally what my strategy against Pete Rose was. I'm going to throw him a low fastball, he's going to hit a single, and I'm going to move on. Right. Otherwise, it's a 12 pitch at bat.

[John Holmberg]

He's going to chunk your way, he's.

[Dale Hellestray]

Going to bounce one off.

[John Holmberg]

Keep in mind the guy in the on deck circle is watching everything you've got.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It's amazing to. It's amazing to. To sit and think of guys who have that kind of memory and that kind of recall. I watched the Patriots and Giants preseason game, and I didn't watch it all. I watched a lot of it. And I want to see how Scatter Boo's doing. And he had a couple runs. It was just nice, but. And towards the end there, it was a blowout. Al Michaels was talking about a game between the Giants and, I think, the Raiders in 1986. No, it was the Giants, and I don't know.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

It doesn't matter.

[John Holmberg]

And he remembered the score of this preseason game he called. And that's when Kirk Herbstreet said, folks should be blown away. And he said, what do you remember about this? That. And he remembered the yardage. He remembered certain. He evidently has recall of almost every game he's called.

[Dave Nash]

Hey, so does Sean McVeigh.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, McVeigh's incredible. Knows all the plays. And he's not alone. Like, he's not alone with that. You talk to guys like coaches, like Jimmy again, we're going to get into this Dallas Cowboys thing. Those guys. Joe Gibbs was notorious for putting a bedroom in the facility. He just didn't go home.

[Dale Hellestray]

I guess that's why I never succeeded as a coach, because as soon as the game's over with having a second quarter, I'm like, did we score or did we not score?

[John Holmberg]

Golfers are amazing. When you're like, okay, in the second you had that four iron. Yeah, I saw. I was going to bend that. And I'm like, Yesterday I hit that. I'm like, yeah. How do you remember every single shot you hit? And not only that, Tiger Woods, Scotty Scheffler, the greats. Remember Lee Trevino's shot on that course from 19, you know, and he watched 20 of them. Then he remembers the one time. Oh, yeah, Lee Trevino was at about 217 on this hole and he, you know, he kind of pushed it off to the right. And I remembered the reason why. What? And that's. Guys who didn't watch it when it happened. That means they studied it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

There's. There's a different mentality with sport, like success. The greats.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And I think, like going back to what Nash said, you have to be great at one thing. I think if you're really good at everything, but you show you're a student of the game to the point where you like that is Craig Counsel was good at everything. That dude is a brainiac when it comes to baseball, I think. And there's a lot. That's why I think a lot of those coaches like you, Nash, are probably really good at baseball. Took the time to just study every aspect of it and become a coach.

[Dave Nash]

Because that's what I'm saying.

[John Holmberg]

That's why you're sitting here with us. Yeah, yeah. You could be. No doubt about it. You could be special.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't think I, I don't see Nash as a guy who went home to the. The Hotel Motel 6 and studied his at bats and, and what got him out and what did she.

[John Holmberg]

And then you've got guys, Dale, and you can answer this, like Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders, who weren't students of the. Although Dion evidently, according to this documentary, a whole lot more versed in the game than we know. And I think he's proving that in Colorado that he's a little bit more than just a talented guy. Michael was not a student of the game. He knew the game, but he wasn't a guy who's like, oh, I remember when crazy legs Hirsch stats and you know, he never had a history of the game in his head. It was all about him being great.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. He knew what he had to do, where he had to be. And again, that's three quarters of the battle. I've told you, whether it's on one of our previous podcasts or on the show, the fact that an 18 yard comeback when he's with Troy, that was your inside foot hit 18. Boom, you're coming back to 15. When that inside foot hits balls coming out, you can't cover it as a cornerback. But also you start cutting routes short, you go to the long. Now the entire offense is under stress.

[John Holmberg]

You're saying Michael was perfect. What happened after Michael left and he wasn't there anymore? Other receivers didn't learn from that or wouldn't pick up on what Michael was doing?

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, what's amazing to me is when you look back on it and I was obviously at a front row seat to it, the fact that my. Obviously Michael wasn't perfect, but when it came to route running.

[John Holmberg]

Well, yeah, that's a really nice way to put that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. But on the football field, as close to perfect as a wide receiver you can get. And what I really noticed was when he left, had the neck injury, had to retire, and you bring in two stud athletes and Ishmael and Galloway. Yeah. I mean, Dallas gave up two first round picks to Galloway.

[John Holmberg]

And those names alone right there, I'm.

[Dale Hellestray]

Like, man, it was good. They're loaded. But when they practiced and I told you about Michael Irvin, he take all 12 straight, seven on seven. That means he's running 30, 40, 50 yards back. 30, 40ft back.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

These guys are taking two reps and then taking two off. And then what you don't even understand is that all of a sudden now that first game, we're in two minute drill, end of the game we're down by five and they're taking two wraps and coming off for two and Michael's on the sideline. I'll never forget glancing at. He's going, this is what you get paid for. Yeah. Right now, the two minutes.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And they're standing on the sideline and then you kind of look back and go, man, I think that was an underappreciated thing about Michael.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

As hard as he worked and I've told you before, I've told Nash before, the fact that the thing about the early 90s Cowboys was our three best players were our three horrors.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Workers. Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Aikman, Irvin Smith.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And so if you're, if you're number, you know, 50 on or number four on up.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

You just follow their lead.

[Dave Nash]

That creates a winner.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Yeah. But it, but if your top three guys are not.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I. E. Maybe the this year's Diamondbacks or a number of other teams, the Suns, whatever.

[John Holmberg]

It's hard to find that though. I think that's, I think that is a rarity which creates champions. Is that when your best player is also the one that's working Brady thing. No, I didn't Heard the same thing.

[Dave Nash]

Same thing. Brady. And it was Bruski and Vrabel.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

They'd all fight to see who could get in first.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And who'd be the last one.

[John Holmberg]

And that, to me, became a thing that was fake, not the Brady thing. I'm saying that once people discovered, oh, if you're first in the building, that's what people see. But the work is still what matters. And I remember watching that Hard Knocks with the Raiders, and they kept saying that Derek Carr was first in the building. First in the building. First in the building. It didn't matter, because the first thing he did was eat. I saw, like, the first thing he went in there. He had breakfast there. I'm like, you could have done that at home.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

You know, and it's those. It's what I say at work all the time. If you're gonna show up to work just to be early, don't go to the bathroom for the first 15 minutes.

[Dale Hellestray]

Let me tell you something.

[John Holmberg]

Take dumps at home. This is. I'm going off on a side thing. Don't crap at work. I'm not looking at you, Nash, for any other reason, but if you've got to take a dump, do it at home.

[Dave Nash]

You.

[John Holmberg]

You're not doing us any favors coming in early just to be seen.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And I think that's in sports a lot.

[Dale Hellestray]

What's fascinating when you say that jogged my memory again, the fact that I was in buffalo. We were 214. Second year, we were 4 and 12. That 4 and 12 year. We had a guy named Hank Boa. We were in the building from 7:30 in the morning till 6 at night.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

And probably 50% of that time was nonsense. There was nothing. You weren't accomplishing anything, but you were there.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Rather than going, you know what? We're nine to four, right. We're boom, boom, boom. We're accomplishing stuff. We're meeting this, that practice lunch, and. And then you're gone. And so just being there.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Quotations. That's another compliment.

[John Holmberg]

Because that became. To me, that used to be a meaningful thing. And now it's like he's first one in, last one. I'm like, it doesn't mean he's doing anything. That means the dude's putting on a show to. Because he's heard Tom Brady was there at four in the morning and he left at eight at night. You know, Michael Irvin was there. The one thing about. And we'll get into the Cowboys documentary. The one thing about Michael Irvin that shocked me was his dog with a tennis ball. Mentality of my life is on the line in a courtroom. I'm facing 20 years in jail for what I'm. What I just got arrested for. And what does he do? He goes and runs 110s. He's running drills on his off time just to stay in shape, just to be football, football, football. It's amazing to watch. And I told you, I've told the story a million times. I'll tell it again. When I was in your charity basketball, I was on Michael's team, and I hit a shot, I came down the other end. Anquan Bolden was on the other team. He made a dunk, and it was an impressive dunk. Anquan Bolden was probably 25 right at this time, maybe a little older than, but he was in his prime and it was pretty. Josh McCown was on the other team. He had been doing windmill dunks and warmups that was making everybody there lose their minds because this pasty dude was outshining everybody. And it was like, mind blowing. There's Michael Irvin on his 40th birthday thereabouts, watching these two young guys. And he came to me when I had the ball. I was going to shoot again. I had the ball and I just hear, give me the ball. And I looked over like, we're on the same team.

[Dale Hellestray]

Give me the ball.

[John Holmberg]

I'm like. And I actually remember saying, you're bringing your guy to me, right? And then he took the ball from me. I'm like, my own teammate just stole the ball from me. Makes tries to go in, makes a layup, pounds his chest.

[Dave Nash]

I'm 40, I'm 40.

[John Holmberg]

I'm like, what's going on? Next time down the floor. I didn't have a choice. If I was a rookie on Michael Irvin's team, I would have done nothing. There would have been zero. Hey, what about me? Moments. Because when I had the ball, the next time up the floor at a charity basketball event, I see Michael Irvin just waving his fingers. Give it to me. Give me the ball. And I'm like, if I don't, he's just going to take it. So I did it. And everybody at the charity game watched Michael do it. Meanwhile, EMT's there, Troy's there. And I looked over at one point in that game, and I looked over at EMT Smith just shaking his head, laughing like this.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

He.

[John Holmberg]

He just doesn't know how to turn this, this. No, just from 10 down to 5.

[Dale Hellestray]

And I was told as I was growing up from many people that I. I became unhealthily competitive.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

To where it's one thing to do on the football field.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

But now, son, you're playing Pictionary.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

And you're breaking pencils.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I've still got it. You see me on a golf course where I will snap clubs just. And it's not mad at anyone else.

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[John Holmberg]

It's internally competitive. Yeah. And it isn't healthy.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

No, it's not hilarious. Later, like, you start laughing, but it isn't. But yeah, there's no way to turn that off. And like, this documentary, if you haven't watched Dale is the. Is somewhat of a star on the 4th and what will soon be the top watched show on Netflix. It's number four.

[Dale Hellestray]

Is it really?

[John Holmberg]

It's number four and you're in there. I saw you once in the tunnel, running past the camera, and then they wiped the lens off. Like, what was that? You're in the. There's a topless shot. Dave Nash of our own Dale.

[Dave Nash]

Hell, I just lost my appetite.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Everybody did. In a pool. I see it. Number 70 running around the field and you start to realize Dale was there. And this documentary, which I didn't really care to see because I thought this was rehash stories from a team that's living in its glory days a little too often.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Jerry Jones is still the problem. We talked about this on the show Thursday. Jerry Jones is still there. And like we said, if the Steelers had documentaries about the 70s, I'd watch them. But if all the same people were there and we hadn't done anything since then.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

I wouldn't like it. I'd be like, yeah, okay, let's move on. We had a hot prom date. Doesn't matter anymore.

[Dale Hellestray]

What's fascinating to me is the fact that Steelers and Cowboys, there's a lot of commonalities on the field now. Off the field, completely different. Completely different organizations. But on the field, you know, you went through the 70s and the most dominant team, you know, the dynasty Cowboys, had late 70s, early 80s and early 80s, and they disappeared.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And. And, and then Steelers came back in the 90s, so the Cowboys. But the off the field stuff and what always would, always entertains me is you never knew how other teams felt.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

But when you watch his documentary and you. The 49ers, freaking American team, it's awesome.

[John Holmberg]

That everybody involved themselves.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, Carmen policy from the 49ers, there's Bill Cower talking about Super Bowl 30.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

All those. Jerry Rice, Steve Young. This, this is the best documentary I've ever watched on sports.

[Dale Hellestray]

That's interesting that you have that.

[John Holmberg]

It is. Well, it's so well done. And I mean, even right down to just the western aspect of it all in the seat. And I left there saying, oh, no, I like Jerry Jones. And I absolutely did not have a ounce of me that I always thought Jerry Jones was like a funny puppet, like he's just some character. And I knew he knew what he was doing. He's a good businessman and it turns out he's kind of smarter than the average Bear, but just didn't want to like him. He's not as egomaniacal as you think. Although maybe that's part of it.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, I think that's part of it. Let me tell you the one thing that, that struck me because again, my family's, my daughters were alive during this time, but obviously very little.

[John Holmberg]

You're watching from the inside and showing it to family members who.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right. Who were there but didn't have any clue. Right.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestray]

And Troy and I actually got in arguments, not necessarily fist fights, over talking about, if Jimmy didn't leave after the second super bowl, we'd have won four in a row. And, and my re reply to him is, TROY, you threw two picks and we fumbled within seven minutes of the first quarter against the 49ers in the NFC championship game. That's not Barry's fault.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

That's not Barry Switzer's fault.

[John Holmberg]

And his argument back has got to be, well, if we were more disciplined, that would not have happened.

[Dale Hellestray]

But two of the, two of the mistakes were yours.

[John Holmberg]

But again, if the receivers were more disciplined, if the line gave him a half second longer, like, Troy's one of those guys, isn't he, where he's like, look, we were half, we were a half second shy of that being right.

[Dale Hellestray]

A lot because. And you're talking about Michael being competitive. Troy is equally competitive. And you know, the other thing is I, as I look back on those things, if you would ask, I think there's only 12 or 13 guys who are all on all three Super bowl teams. That's how quick of a change there is. But if you'd asked those 13 guys, what game are you most proud of in that four year span been the 49ers. He championship.

[John Holmberg]

The loss.

[Dale Hellestray]

We lost.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because we're down 21 nothing.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

First seven minutes. And you said we won the last two. The grind. You're tired, you're beat up and we came back and Deion Sander just raped Michael Irvin. And it's not that bad.

[John Holmberg]

And plus one touchdown wasn't going to be the difference.

[Dale Hellestray]

The Niners scored 38 points, win 3:38.

[John Holmberg]

And to Troy's defense on that. And I don't know if this is Switzer or not because I look at that two ways. Barry Switzer had to be a hell of a coach to keep you guys alive in that thing. That's when coaches do their best work, when adversity strikes. Right. Because when a team is good, you don't think.

[Dave Nash]

I think that is internal from your leaders on the field.

[John Holmberg]

There's that too, Troy.

[Dave Nash]

It's from the veterans there.

[John Holmberg]

But they have to have.

[Dave Nash]

It just is.

[John Holmberg]

They have to have help from above. And that means all week long, every week, you know, in the meeting rooms, you know, diagnosing the opposition. That's not what Troy important also.

[Dave Nash]

But. But your leaders of your team, when things get bleak, that's where you've got to step.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right. I can tell you.

[Dave Nash]

And they had a group of leaders.

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[Dale Hellestray]

Hopkins 1, 800 now I'm going to tell you, Mo. I would venture to guess high 90% of people that 21 point lead would have been 42 and it had been 50 points.

[John Holmberg]

Almost every team gets blasted and I.

[Dave Nash]

Look at like the Kansas City Chiefs last Super Bowl.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, it wasn't. Well, that was just. Again though, that was a better team.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Whipping you give a push back. They couldn't. That's the one thing that was different about the Cowboys versus what you're talking about was that they weren't outmatched. The Eagles and Chiefs. That was. That was a team that maybe the Chiefs did show heart and still got knocked.

[Dave Nash]

The best team in the AFC last year. And they gave no pushback because the Eagles were that much better.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

I'm not buying it.

[John Holmberg]

I think, I think up front of my Eagles were better than everybody in football last year.

[Dave Nash]

I think it was Travis Kelsey's fault because.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hey, John. John. Hey, John.

[John Holmberg]

He's a Satanist. Hey, John. Here for the last five minutes.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hey, John. Do you know. You know, I was going to say. I was going to say, I think all the Chiefs took the shot.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that's right. Don't start his last call. Don't do this.

[Dave Nash]

Get. Forget about one. Get two. Two at the same time. Double up, get four.

[John Holmberg]

Dave has pictures on his wall with yarn tied to other things and syringes of Kelsey's arm with two band aids from two Covid shots years ago.

[Dave Nash]

Every time I saw that, I went. I went nuts. I went redder than my shirt.

[John Holmberg]

None of the Eagles got the best. That's what I want. That wins Super Bowls.

[Dave Nash]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

But I watch watching that documentary for I do take away that I'm like Jerry. And here's another thing. Dale is Jerry Jones. They alluded to this a lot. He drinks a lot.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh yeah. There's no doubt.

[John Holmberg]

And I didn't know that and then started to realize. Is that starting to affect what's going on now?

[Dale Hellestray]

No, they. The Thing is about the Jones family.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Is they were known for being.

[John Holmberg]

They drank out and about because even Charles Haley was like, Jerry can drink.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, Jerry can drink. Stephen can drink.

[John Holmberg]

When Charles Haley says he's going too far. Yeah, that's a thing. I didn't realize that Charles Haley was such an impact on and off the. That had to be a nut house.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, you know, because was so fascinating when I, when people bring it up, I don't bring it up. But I ran scout team offensive tack because I didn't want to be in the middle world. People are getting banged around. So I'd go out and be scout team left tackle. Charles to the right end. He never once messed with me.

[John Holmberg]

Really?

[Dale Hellestray]

Never once. And didn't know your name. No, but it's, it was, it's fascinating. The guys that he decided to pick on to do things with and then the guys that he didn't, we targeted cross word to each other really to this day.

[John Holmberg]

But you noticed him.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, he would. Yeah, he pick out a weaker and grab him and, and, and mess with him.

[John Holmberg]

Really. And that started the day he got.

[Dale Hellestray]

I mean to the point where, you know, he's sitting in the, in the defensive line being room and he's got himself exposed and pleasure playing with us. And that's a true story.

[John Holmberg]

That's disgusting.

[Dale Hellestray]

That's ridiculous.

[Dave Nash]

Hey, that's your new nickname. You're Haley John.

[John Holmberg]

I've done that.

[Dave Nash]

You pick out the weak guy. Him.

[John Holmberg]

Dave. Let's not call me Haley. Let's just call when I do that doing a Haley. And that happens three or four times a day. I got a lot of my mind. Yeah, it's a, it's a great documentary. Here's another thing I took from the, the documentary and I'm, I'm curious. The concussion situation with Troy in that was right before the NFL just. You want to talk about conspiracies, Nash, I got a good one for you. Right before the NFL got serious about concussions. And the reason they got serious about concussions is because they were going to get sued. Yeah, they did get sued and then they had to settle for that. And I don't know if you know this, but the settlement that they gave them was the exact same amount of money they had gotten that year from starting a fantasy football online thing. So the league wasn't serious about concussions until they had to be. But you guys, I mean watching Michael take those, those routes to get pounded every time he took a beating, more so than even Troy. 12 concussions and I use quoting fingers because those are the only ones that are documented. Yes. And then the ones on top of each other. Being a boxing fan, I've noticed that, you know, a lot of boxers will take a concussion on one punch and have it fixed with the next punch, which is a second concussion. But it wakes them and it's not good. It's double bruising a brain. But you can't, you kind of. Your cobwebs are, are shaken free and you can go on, but you're in worse shape than you were. Than you'll ever know. You guys didn't know, you were told. Just get out there, just shake it off.

[Dale Hellestray]

I think that's the thing that people harbor some hostility towards the fact that I'm convinced NFL knew by the mid-80s, maybe late-80s. And so when the studies come out, John, I, I was taught from time I was 7 or 8 years old. When you hit another dude and you see the little white stars. Yep. That, that, that was, that's a great hit.

[John Holmberg]

He knocked him.

[Dale Hellestray]

You knocked the snot out of him.

[Dave Nash]

I wanted him to see the white stars. I don't care about me seeing.

[John Holmberg]

But, but you know, if you're seeing them.

[Dale Hellestray]

I was taught that. And the hits never hurt. It's just, you'd see those, you walk back the hole going, I just killed him.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And then you find out that the studies that they did, that they kept under wraps was two 300 pound dudes.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Running into each other was just like a 15 mile an hour car crash. And then you multiply. How many times you do that in a game?

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

How many times you do that in a season. That's how many times you do that.

[John Holmberg]

Without a chance to recover. Between car crash. You get into another car and do it again. Do another car and do it again.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm just gonna tell you the concussions that I had, I probably had five documented concussions.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And what the weirdest thing is I still played.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And you're literally the next day as an offensive lineman, you're, you're taught it's indoctrinated into you. You know the three or four plays you screwed up.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Oh yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And you're waiting for it. You know. Okay. After this play. This play.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm fixing to get yelled at.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

And when you play with a concussion, you, you're watching a ghost up there.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

But yet your body's still functioning.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're still past protecting.

[John Holmberg]

It's.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're still pulling.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're doing all that. And Then also it's like my, my, my left guard would say, why were you asking me what to do on every play?

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, it's like, wow.

[John Holmberg]

And you said your daughter is a speech pathologist. She's watched not knowing what you went through with the concussions and everything. Your daughter had something to say watching.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. And, and, and first of all, she was flabbergasted that Jimmy Johnson withheld meals from us. On the way home, she said the thing that she's taken away from this documentary is how diabolical they treated us. Then fast forward to the.

[John Holmberg]

Because you didn't get fed after the Redskins.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, but, yeah, but it also, you see some of the contact and the two days and things like that that people don't recognize today. And then the fact that when you see that, that hit list of Troy.

[John Holmberg]

It'S hard because they do 10 or 11.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

It looks like it just happened over and over again.

[Dale Hellestray]

It didn't, it didn't happen that way. But yet they all happened.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, and, and, and, and probably the biggest one that people will talk about was our back to back the 93 Super Bowl. He sustained a concussion, had to go to the hospital.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And that was a one year where they tried the one week before between super bowl and NFC Championship games.

[John Holmberg]

Right. From the Sunday before to the Super Bowl.

[Dale Hellestray]

Monday morning we're flying to Atlanta and you're playing the next Sunday and Troy is classic. He's in the hospital Sunday night.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Oh, man.

[Dale Hellestray]

And, and then, you know, he got to somewhat normal by the end of the week and, and didn't play very well in that super bowl, obviously being because of things that had happened and that's when we ended up running the ball in the second half. But the thing about today's football is they take much better care of you because it's all about player safety and you want to make sure that everybody's okay. That's why you have five training campers.

[John Holmberg]

We're saying they're babies today.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm not going to go that far because there's still violence on the field.

[John Holmberg]

Like you said, if you got a kid and you say, would you put them back in this? Of course. Now it's like because of what you guys went through, it's safer. And that's a good thing.

[Dale Hellestray]

That is.

[John Holmberg]

But it has changed the game.

[Dale Hellestray]

It changed the game because now nobody does anything in preseason and teams use the preseason as the first four games of the regular season and, and all that. But the way that they take Care of players, I think has improved dramatically and should.

[John Holmberg]

And that's a good thing. So your daughter's mad because daddy got hurt and his friends got hurt. You guys are fine.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, I will tell you this, Tell you this, and this is kind of a sobering moment. One of my best friends, Bill Bates on the Dallas Cowboys, we went back to celebrate him last year because we actually got in touch with the Cowboys and he's got full blown dementia. And we said, if you're going to honor him, because he's almost a ring of Honor guy, I think he should be a ring of Honor guy. Whether you think he is or not, I'm with you. It's close.

[John Holmberg]

Without a doubt.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And the Cowboy had no idea what was going on in his life, which sucks. But he can look at you, John. When I first saw him, John Giesick and I flew to see him in Florida. And he can see you.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

He smiles. You can see in his eyes that he knows who you are.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

But he can't. He can't speak it. And so we went back and. And celebrated him and all that. And it's. It's. It's a roof. It's brutal. It's a brutal.

[John Holmberg]

His job that he got paid for was to run into a wall.

[Dale Hellestray]

And that's back when there were wedges.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And there. And all the. I just want to real quick say at. At the end of the day, yes, he's going through this, but I'm very good friends with his wife Denise. Yeah, boys. The caretakers go through a living.

[John Holmberg]

They're the one that's the. That's the worst.

[Dale Hellestray]

Michael's having to take care of his wife, who has stuff going on. And it's. The caretaker goes through so much.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

The documentary is unreal. You had to be so excited to be on TV again.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, I made my.

[John Holmberg]

And see yourself in your prime, Dale.

[Dale Hellestray]

But see, I made my debut. You'd never mentioned this on the Shania Twain Netflix special.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, God, yeah. Where were you in that?

[Dale Hellestray]

I was snapping to her.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, what?

[Dale Hellestray]

She came out to practice one day.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, geez.

[Dale Hellestray]

And I was trying to get her take some under center stance. Yeah. But they wanted. They want shotgun stamp.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And then she ended up at the courtyard in with Michael. Now the, the, the deal with Michael being the way he was in the documentary and stuff. We also walk away saying, man, oh, man, did he get away with all of it. Stabbed a guy in the neck. Nearly killed him. On probation while he did it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

The, the drugs the prostitutes, the every single thing. And then does he. You know, him. Does he realize that that doesn't happen to anyone else?

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, no, he. He totally realizes how fortunate. Lucky. Whatever term you want to use anyways. Because he knew protecting is the word because three or four of us got him after that slip of the scissors incident and had him in a room and read him the riot act. Said, you're going to blow up your damn.

[John Holmberg]

You're going to kill a guy.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. You're very close.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't know he stabbed a dude in the neck over a haircut. Haircut. And who's in line first?

[Dale Hellestray]

Shoes for. Oh, I have to wait one more guy to get my hair cut.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, he.

[Dale Hellestray]

Now, I got to say, ever MacGyver.

[John Holmberg]

The guy stabbed maybe deserved it. Dale. Is that what you're saying?

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm not going that far.

[John Holmberg]

So they kept saying how much it's a family, this documentary. And all I said was, that's exactly what the mob says. And that's how you guys acted. You were the Sopranos. You got away with everything. You were paying off the right people. The city loved you. You could do nothing wrong if you stayed in the right areas, no disagreement. And, man, they kept saying, oh, we're a family. That's how you win. You guys were beyond Cosa Nostra. You were. You were. Protect each other first.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Way beyond anybody else that you may have hurt.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And I don't know how often that happens in football, but I think a. Ray Lewis's situation, Michael Vick situation, Ben Roethlisberger situation, all these guys who've been in it, and everybody just goes, all right, let's gather around, rally the troops.

[Dale Hellestray]

And getting a bit on Sunday, I. My left guard, you know, again, I might hate his freaking guts, but for three hours on Sunday. Yeah, you got to help me, and I got to help you. And. And winning is the ultimate thing.

[John Holmberg]

It's amazing. Yeah, it's a pretty unbelievable documentary. And there's anything. What did you leave with when you watched the whole thing? What was. What was your. Oh, my God. I was wrong about that moment as a. As a cowboy player.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, I'm not going to be elongated because there are numbers. I forgot about some of this stuff, you know, And.

[John Holmberg]

But as far as your perceptions of things.

[Dale Hellestray]

And I just think it was to go from where we were. 89. I got there in 90. To where we were in 95. 96. And how. That's a small period of time, a blip to become.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Go for the Worst to the best. And. And the guys that were involved and all that. I don't think you ever take that away. The other thing I. I walk away from is like, I didn't know about the White House until after it was exposed.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, really?

[Dale Hellestray]

Because there were certain segment of the.

[John Holmberg]

Locker room but they didn't like maybe not privy. But you guys didn't know about.

[Dale Hellestray]

No. You know, I. Well, once I expose, I. I remember distinctly sitting down parents. I was talking to Albert Harper. I go out. Which house is the White House? It was that one right there.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding.

[Dale Hellestray]

John Giesick, myself, Mark Stedmaski, Mark 2. And hey, we. We.

[John Holmberg]

None of you knew. That's phenomenal.

[Dave Nash]

No lineman allowed.

[Dale Hellestray]

No. Why would you.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Oh, my God. The girls would run and tear. The Frankensteins are here.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It's a pretty great documentary. And if you haven't watched it, it is one of the best, if not the best produced sports documentary I've ever watched. And if you walk away saying, oh, I still hate Jerry Jones, you didn't watch Barry Switzer's another one. Man, do I like Barry Switzer now.

[Dale Hellestray]

He was my favorite coach.

[John Holmberg]

He was fantastic.

[Dale Hellestray]

He is my favorite coach.

[John Holmberg]

Is that true?

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, because he did care about you.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Now, I had no problems with Jimmy. If you did your job with Jimmy. I think he yelled my name two times in five years. Yeah, but Barry knew Brooke and Barry knew he had a kid, and Barry knew this. And again, you're professional.

[John Holmberg]

And Troy just didn't get along.

[Dale Hellestray]

When I hear Troy talk about, you know, it's not as disciplined. We're 30 plus years old. Some of that falls on us.

[John Holmberg]

I liked his approach of going, these are grown men. I shouldn't have to do this.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And he's 86 years old. He looks fantastic.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't know what the beard.

[John Holmberg]

It looks like what I grew.

[Dale Hellestray]

If he were to shave, he'd have looked fantastic.

[John Holmberg]

I actually kind of liked it. It added to the western nature of it. Nash, you need to watch this thing. The other thing I want to talk about.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hold on. You skipped over the one important episode.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, God.

[Dale Hellestray]

How was it reliving Super Bowl 30?

[John Holmberg]

You know what? It wasn't so bad. Because everybody talked about how tight your asses were, that you were getting beat by a better team. Yeah, that. Yeah. David was beating Goliath.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

If not for one goof.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, we. We were. You're saying we're the better team? We're going to be by.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, no, no, I'm saying the Steelers were showing that they were the better team that day, aside for the first 10 minutes of that super bowl, which was just a team on just complete nerves. And you guys are in your third super bowl. And you could see that early fall down, you know, 10, nothing pretty fast, and then just stop you completely. Like the offense. You guys didn't do anything. That deep ball the Dion in that game. And that was like, ah. And that was early. And then just. Emmett's not going anywhere. And everything goes through Emmett. And. And the Steelers stopped you but for the interception.

[Dale Hellestray]

Did you realize how open Larry Brown was on those there?

[John Holmberg]

You know, I had a guy give me an autographed hat thinking I would want that of Super Bowl 30. And had the logo and the helmets, Cowboys and Steelers. And he hands it to me and he goes, I had this autographed. And I'm like, by who? And he goes, larry Brown. And he literally thought he was giving me a gift. It was on my Steeler Sunday. So the group's there. He's like, you'd love this. You're gonna put this up. And I'm like, I'm gonna show you what I'm gonna do to this. And I have a fire pit and the.

[Dave Nash]

Did you crap in it?

[John Holmberg]

I burned that thing the second he brought it.

[Dave Nash]

What are you doing?

[John Holmberg]

And I'm like, why would you bring that in my house?

[Dave Nash]

It's the Steelers.

[John Holmberg]

I'm like, they lost it. And you had the guy who.

[Dale Hellestray]

I mean, the two interceptions, you guys probably win.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, without one. I'll give you the one. The first one for sure. I mean, it gave up 14 points. I mean, they're both scoring it. Ended up running it inside the 10 both times. Oh. Oh, Dale, why bring it up? Anyway, congratulations. You got that Super Bowl. That was one I watched where I'm like. And Cower even kept saying, look, we weren't supposed to do this. We're a bunch of blue collar dudes coming in and just this America's team. Because we should have been America's team. I loved watching that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. So I think he said, so called America.

[John Holmberg]

So called. I walked around the house all day talking like Bill Cower. Everything I wanted to do is just get you guys involved in what I need to have done. And I know that we're the best team on that field that day. If it weren't for Warren. Interception from a guy who couldn't play football at all. Larry Brown, he got paid. Anyway, enough of that silliness that you want to End with that crap. You know, it was more painful one opening day of 96, I think, when the Steelers played the Cowboys. And you.

[Dale Hellestray]

Pittsburgh drubbed them.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, there's been two. I think it. Later in the 90s, too. There was just an absolute drubbing that happened.

[Dale Hellestray]

We like playing the Steeler.

[John Holmberg]

You guys. You guys whipped on him in the 90s pretty good. And then those were good Steeler teams. And other than the super bowl, it was. It didn't go well.

[Dave Nash]

How'd you become a Steeler fan?

[John Holmberg]

I bleed black and gold. My dad is from Pennsylvania. His dad is from Pennsylvania. And that's how it is. I didn't have a choice. It was. It was either it was that or die in the house. You're not. You're not cheering for anybody else, huh?

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Grew up in Northwest Indiana, but I was a Steeler fan. That wasn't gonna. That wasn't. That was not.

[Dave Nash]

Well, you must be a good kid, then. You listen to your parents. Because my kids, whoever I was rooting for, they're like. They're secretly rooting against.

[John Holmberg]

But, like, in the 70s, it was real easy.

[Dave Nash]

No, I get that. But you told me you're born in 72.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

So their peak years, you're still in a. In a crib.

[John Holmberg]

I broke my leg when I was 2 years old at a drugstore. And I remember everything from that moment on. I have memories from that. So I remember not great detail because I didn't understand the game, but I remember the intensity in our house when we would play the Oilers and when we would play in playoff games and stuff like that. I remember probably starting the 75 season, I can start to remember my house being Steeler.

[Dave Nash]

Insane.

[Dale Hellestray]

Were you at the 95 Super Bowl?

[John Holmberg]

I was. I sat. Oh, you did go. I left before halftime because my seats. I had Stevie Wonder sitting four rows ahead of me. And at the time.

[Dave Nash]

That seems like a wasted ticket.

[John Holmberg]

I'll tell. Exactly. And I'm like. And also, people don't realize it, but Super Bowls are boring live. When you sit in the crowd, there's 12, 15 minute breaks.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. Tons of commercial time.

[John Holmberg]

So I knew about a party that a company was throwing in the. What is now Tempe Town Lake by the stadium. They had a tent there. And I'm like, I'm going to the tent. And we left the game and went across the street because there was stuff to do.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

During commercial breaks. And I was, by the way, as bad as. I was like, Nash hypertension. I'm like, you Know, at the time, I'm 22 years old. Hypertension through the moon. I'm having a heart attack every play. I'm like, I can't. I can't do this. I wasn't mentally fit for the crowd, and so I had to leave and we went to the party instead.

[Dale Hellestray]

That's. You cheer for the team that your dad cheer for. Because my dad was a huge Green Bay Packer fan.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And when we were growing up. I'm 10 years older than you.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

But all we got was Cowboy games out here.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Cowboys, Broncos.

[Dale Hellestray]

And you either love the Cowboys or you hated them.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because you saw them every week.

[John Holmberg]

I already hated. I had a pre hate for them from the 70s.

[Dave Nash]

Why?

[John Holmberg]

Because the Cowboys. Exactly. But there was still that weird kind of like, swagger they walked around after they lost. The Ravens have that. The Ravens lose and talk about getting you next year. And it's like, dude just got bounced out of the playoffs. It won't even be the same teams.

[Dale Hellestray]

You. How about you two dumb asses? Ravens. You bet them every preseason game.

[John Holmberg]

I know.

[Dale Hellestray]

You bet again. I didn't even know what the score of the game was. And I checked my account this morning.

[John Holmberg]

I texted you, 30 to 3, safest bet in sports. 3 times next year I'll be betting for the Ravens. They drub people out of the preseason.

[Dave Nash]

I went on there and I. And I started looking at golf and I go, oh, wait a minute. Scotty Scheffler's plus 550. He might come back. I put money on Scotty Scheffler to win the Tour Championship. First drive out of bounds.

[John Holmberg]

He was within two strokes.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. And he hit his first drive.

[John Holmberg]

No, I know, but he was.

[Dave Nash]

They put another one in the water.

[John Holmberg]

He got to what, 15 and then put one in the water. He was going to. He was going to chase him down, I think.

[Dale Hellestray]

And here comes the Ravens.

[John Holmberg]

And then you got the Ravens bet.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah, I forgot to bet the Ravens. I lost all my money on Scotty Scheffler.

[John Holmberg]

We'll talk about two quick things in football. NFL want to move on to Nash's expertise, which is college gambling, the Shador Sanders thing. There's rumors now saying that the NFL was in cahoots the entire way and said, do not draft him. That's stories came out this week that said, you know, and it was. I can't remember who it was. It was on espn, but he went.

[Dale Hellestray]

On like a reporter.

[John Holmberg]

It was Eric Dickerson. Eric Dickerson, your guy from smu. And if anybody knows crooked behavior, it might be someone from SMU in the early 80s. But he said, we all know what goes on in this league, and we know that it was a collusion that the league said, do not draft this kid. And then the Browns did it, and they're sort of kind of on the other end of being punished in a weird way. I don't know what he was getting at, but why would that happen? Why would you assume. What is the hatred for Dion?

[Dale Hellestray]

See, I don't. I mean, you saw the way he. He was represented and respected when he came to the Cowboys. Yeah, he's got a personality that will drive some people crazy. Other people love it. And I know the way the Colorado experience went, the kid probably should have been a third round draft pick. But it's all the other ancillary stuff that comes along with it. I mean, I love Eric. Eric wouldn't become nothing without me. He knows that every down. But for him to come out and say that the NFL said no, if.

[John Holmberg]

There is one, why draft him in the fifth, then? Well, because he said the goal was to make him an undrafted free agent.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, why, why, why sign to Sean Watson to a fully guaranteed contract. Browns are going to.

[John Holmberg]

The Browns are going to Brown. That's for sure. But I mean, what would. What's the. What's the purpose of making Shador the example that makes.

[Dale Hellestray]

It makes no sense.

[John Holmberg]

And. Yeah, and why in the world would anybody even not. Why would that be so like, we talk about Nash's craziness. Why would this. Why would somebody not step up and go, yeah, they were trying to get us not to draft him. This is like a weird.

[Dale Hellestray]

Somebody would say something. Like, when we talk about, there's too many people who want to be in the know.

[John Holmberg]

They're insiders all over. Adam Schefter would have word of who told him this.

[Dale Hellestray]

I think that's ridiculous.

[John Holmberg]

It is ridiculous. But also, I think it's strange though, that and Nash, you might be able. Because you're a conspiracy nut. That there is.

[Dave Nash]

It's just the truth. But conspiracy theories are undefeated. But go ahead.

[John Holmberg]

They're pretty undefeated. And they can't be because when. When the defense is just is. That's hard to argue. But why did he fall to the fifth? Like, I agree with Dale. Maybe a second round pick probably falls to the third. People are getting kind of excited. They stole a guy, he goes to the fifth. There's something there.

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[Dave Nash]

Listen, there's so much nonsense that goes on behind the scenes.

[John Holmberg]

But what's.

[Dave Nash]

Listen, I'm not smart enough for that. But.

[John Holmberg]

But you're smart enough to know it.

[Dave Nash]

No. Well, like I'm, like, I'm like we're talking about all this other stuff that's going on in the world. I'm not privy to that handshake by the NHL NFL owners. I'm not in their meetings. I don't know. But are they up to shenanigans? I'm not, I'm not doubting it.

[John Holmberg]

Sure of that. But not Shenanigans. But my point being why is he so hated?

[Dale Hellestray]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

The kid seems okay.

[Dale Hellestray]

He's made a couple dumbass 21 year.

[John Holmberg]

Old decisions and yeah, I did it on my way here.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

You get caught, you look, you rode your bike here.

[Dale Hellestray]

I was speeding.

[John Holmberg]

You should see that in bike terms. I should have been pulled over a couple of times.

[Dale Hellestray]

I got the answer, David.

[John Holmberg]

I illegally crossed the entire street.

[Dale Hellestray]

Did you?

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

There's no one else guys that I see.

[John Holmberg]

You wouldn't see me in a flash though. But I got across the road illegally because I needed to and it was. I could have waited to the crosswalk. I didn't. We all do stuff like that. What? Well, come on.

[Dave Nash]

You're worried about that?

[John Holmberg]

Well, no, that's what I'm saying. It's like you can get pulled over and suddenly it's like oh, radio host jackasses his way and you know, Shador Sanders got a speeding ticket. That happens to somebody every single day. You don't hear about it.

[Dave Nash]

When Was he going 120 though?

[John Holmberg]

It was pretty fast.

[Dave Nash]

Okay. I don't know if everyone's doing that.

[Dale Hellestray]

If I could, I will stand to this. I think he got the third shot.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that could be it. He got the third.

[Dave Nash]

He was pumping for more back make sure heavy.

[John Holmberg]

I get it. But yeah. I just don't understand the hatred towards the Sanders. The other kid, his. The one that's not good enough for the NFL.

[Dale Hellestray]

Just got cut.

[John Holmberg]

Just got cut for throwing a punch during a game because the guy was outmatched and it showed.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, I think it was a double entrant. And tronde.

[John Holmberg]

What? Entendre. Double entendre. That means it meant something.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, what? He makes a dumbass decision to throw a punch on the field, which again is the most insane thing to ever do on a football field. And he was borderline going to make the team.

[John Holmberg]

He wasn't going to make the team. I mean all the reports were that he was there. He would have been a first cut on the old days of preseason. He would have been a first round cut. Yeah, I just don't get the Sanders hate. I just don't understand that Shador is taking the beating.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I mean if these guys are in cahoots with the globalists, they're going to love Sanders because he's got all the jabs. That's why he's got his. They're cutting his feet off. Where? His toes off. Where everything.

[John Holmberg]

Deion Sanders is getting his feet removed because of COVID still.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Everything that's happened since 2021.

[Dave Nash]

Blood clots.

[John Holmberg]

He's got diabetes.

[Dave Nash]

Blood clots from that.

[John Holmberg]

It is a massive problem in the.

[Dale Hellestray]

Give us jab cuts. I will stand up for Deion Sanders, even though you both know how I feel about it.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

All this came on way before jabs were prevalent.

[John Holmberg]

Stuff going on and you.

[Dale Hellestray]

Maybe.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe it was a polio vaccine.

[Dale Hellestray]

Maybe measles, mumps, you don't know.

[John Holmberg]

Nash will get to that in a little bit. Yeah, I just. I looked at that, too. Now let's get into college because there's kind of a lull. Football's a week and a half away now, which is great, but there's college coming up. ASU here, locally, nationally, it seems like it's all going to be the same. Do you guys still have the same vibe for college? And it's former magic that. I used to hate calling it a. Oh, wow. This is a. The kids are doing it for the pure love of the game. It's about the education, which I was like.

[Dave Nash]

Like never.

[John Holmberg]

Don't lie to me about this. Don't throw this in my face anymore. It's. It's legalized slavery, so the schools can have a massive payday and. And blame that, you know, like, oh, you couldn't pay them. It would. It would ruin the purity.

[Dave Nash]

Right. And. And now they're. Every quarterback in the SEC is probably making a million a year, and they're still making a boatload of money.

[John Holmberg]

The Texas kid left early and took a pay cut to be a seventh round. Yours or whatever his name is. He's. He's getting less now in the pros than he would have had. He stuck around, but he saw the writing on the wall and Art Manning was going to be the quarterback, so.

[Dave Nash]

He was going to make the squad.

[John Holmberg]

7Th round draft pick quarterback.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It might keep him on, but, I.

[Dale Hellestray]

Mean, well, when Archie Manning grandpa comes on and says, oh, Arch will probably be at Texas next two years. Two sides of that story is kind of funny. Well, I would venture to guess that Arch Manning at Texas is probably making around $5 million. Around. Give her.

[John Holmberg]

Ridiculous.

[Dale Hellestray]

Give a little bit. Take a look.

[John Holmberg]

Where's the purity in college football argument now?

[Dave Nash]

There is no.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't know. I play for smu.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, you're right. I forgot. It's never been there.

[Dale Hellestray]

And some of us. And some of us got a few things.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And it was.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

We're.

[Dale Hellestray]

We're playing for the college. We're playing for s. Oh, you still.

[John Holmberg]

Play for the colleges you pay, especially if they're paying you, your heart's probably more in it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

But the argument that, oh, this is about education and the purity of the game is lost.

[Dale Hellestray]

Let me tell you.

[John Holmberg]

This is an admission, is it not, of how crooked it has been.

[Dale Hellestray]

Let me tell you.

[John Holmberg]

I think that's what PAYTM is.

[Dale Hellestray]

Let me tell you what I believe is the worst thing about college football right now. It's a transfer portal.

[John Holmberg]

Horrible.

[Dale Hellestray]

And it needs to be. Whether you pick winter or spring, it's going to be whittled down to one transfer portal.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's absolutely as nine issue faced it last December, where the transfer portals open. They got guys putting their name in the transfer. But they're getting ready to play Texas.

[John Holmberg]

They've got a game.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It's a terrible.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, and it's like, I understand and you and I have talked about this. When I played, coaches had all the power.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And. And they would tell you, hey, you're not gonna play here transfer, because we want your scholarship.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And now instead of coming to 50, 50 players have all the power.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And at the end of the day, you go, you look at it and you go, ASU's get ready for Texas. Biggest game in asu history in 20 years at least, whatever it was. And meanwhile, they're fighting transfer portal stuff. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Dude. After spring ball, when all the coaching changes are done, you go through spring ball. If you're, if you're not where you want to be, then open a transfer portal for two weeks.

[John Holmberg]

And I think you're only like, they should do a thing. You have to spend two years at a school.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

School.

[John Holmberg]

If you commit to a school day, there has to be. Or you get one transfer or one transfer. Right. Because these guys are bound. There's a guy that played eight years, you know, and it's just one of these things where, you know, your eligibility's up. But I watch college football. I've always said, I don't want to watch somebody's kids play play sports. I don't care about that for free. So when you told me it was free, I'm like, I can go watch free football at a high school. And I ain't doing that either. I got into it when the playoffs would come because I always thought college was, you know, SMU is going to take on Nash University and destroy them, and then everybody's going to flip out and they go up in the rankings. I also hated the ranking system because Ohio State could be Third Michigan at one time Michigan was number two a few years ago and they lost their first two games. And I'm like, these are massive upsets. Turned out Michigan just wasn't very good. That right. And so it's guessing like we guessed and we gave these. So ASU last year behind the eight ball, had to climb. They couldn't make mistakes. Whereas Ohio State could lose two games and stay in the top five. And that doesn't make sense to me.

[Dale Hellestray]

I will tell you this. So I do like the fact that there's 12 teams in the playoffs.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that's much better.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because that means that Ohio State and Texas can play and whoever loses is not out.

[John Holmberg]

But the argument used to be we can't have these extra games because they'll get injured and there's final.

[Dave Nash]

That was, that was the big lie.

[John Holmberg]

That was a huge lie. And they just couldn't figure out how to make money.

[Dave Nash]

Me growing up back, they played nine games a year. And I said I don't know why they don't have be able to have a playoff then. And they said, oh, no more than.

[John Holmberg]

Nine would be way too much by Thanksgiving.

[Dave Nash]

I think they're playing 20 games.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, they play constantly playing 15. Who?

[John Holmberg]

Dave, you know college better than I do. I don't know how much you're into it. Dale, who's the surprise team this year? Who's the ASU to watch this year?

[Dave Nash]

The ASU.

[John Holmberg]

You think ASU, they're ranked 11th. I know, but I don't know. Can they surprise people from 11?

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I think anyone coming from the Big 12. Because Big 12 really hasn't had any teams. You know who could really surprise out of Big 12? Texas Tech. Okay, Texas Tech spent a lot of money. They were a good team last year. Look out for Texas Tech.

[John Holmberg]

But do you think anything can get past Ohio State, Alabama, lsu?

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, hold on here. So you brought up Texas Tech. There's a five star lineman.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

That no more in a gazillion years would choose to go to Texas Tech. Yeah, Ghost Texas Tech.

[John Holmberg]

At least they admit wine. At least we can admit. Okay, they paid him the best.

[Dave Nash]

That's that. And, and you gotta look at his old alma mater, smu. They have more money than God.

[John Holmberg]

What happened to the death penalty? Doesn't that mean you die? So they're zombies now?

[Dale Hellestray]

No, they died for years. They shut it down.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I thought for sure. I thought it was for good. I thought they had. They were supposed to lose.

[Dave Nash]

I thought it was for a year, but a year, two Years, Whatever. But. But when it came back, they were terrible. They were terrible for a long time.

[John Holmberg]

But.

[Dave Nash]

But now with, with the nil.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And you can pay. Well, they're like, hey, now we're doing legally what we used to before. We're better at this than everybody.

[John Holmberg]

How does U of A compete ever again?

[Dave Nash]

They.

[John Holmberg]

They won't. They won't.

[Dale Hellestray]

They will have a blip.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but they have to have.

[Dale Hellestray]

They have a couple boosters down there.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but you got to get a billionaire. It's going to be just like the pros. And you have 122.

[Dave Nash]

That is correct. And even though people say, well, that's wrong. That's right. Listen, before the nil, if you weren't Alabama, Mission, Michigan, Ohio State, the big name teams, like a small team is not going to be able to compete with them with their facilities, whatever their name.

[John Holmberg]

Boise State would show up. Every once you get a team that.

[Dave Nash]

Would show up saying you're going to have just like Arizona State showed up last year or you might have Texas Tech show.

[John Holmberg]

But ASU is the most populous college in America.

[Dave Nash]

They don't have the money. Nobody.

[John Holmberg]

How are you getting that much money off of 80,000 students? They have the same amount of students as Ohio State. They just don't have a guy behind them. That's the problem.

[Dave Nash]

It's all about that. And honestly, again, I don't have a problem with college athletes making the money. Because if some yahoo jagoff is out there who's a rich billionaire and he doesn't have anything more better to spend his money on than to give it to college athletes, go for it. Knock yourself out.

[John Holmberg]

It's, you know, Boone Pickens did it. No, Oklahoma State has never been.

[Dave Nash]

He's got more. He's got more money than God. What else are you going to do it? Listen, I'd rather him give it to kids than go spend it on hookers himself. Like, well, whatever. He.

[John Holmberg]

Hookers are somebody's kids.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I get it. All right, well, so whatever. But I throw some.

[Dale Hellestray]

Am I wrong having the opportunity to do college games in the Midwest and back East. People out here don't understand how important is. Now you can make fun of the Southerners. You can make fun of Alabama.

[John Holmberg]

I will.

[Dale Hellestray]

And Mississippi. Mississippi be staying. All those schools, but they live and die. College football.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Out here in Arizona State. Arizona, It's a Saturday afternoon.

[Dave Nash]

We've got a thousand things to do out here with hot chicks, no clothes on. I mean, who cares about a football game?

[Dale Hellestray]

I tell you what? There's some pretty good looking girls at Georgia, Alabama.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. But they're all going to the game. Chicks out here, they're laying out by the pool.

[John Holmberg]

Because I'm a young millennial in the room compared to you two. I don't know if you guys have seen the TikTok sorority dances that have started going on. Of course you have, Dale. And I think we've all hate lead to those a couple of times. It's a phenomenal thing that's going on. So college hot girls are everywhere. That's an excuse ASU fans have used forever on why they just won't go sit in that hot stadium. And that's all. It's the weather. That's what keeps us away.

[Dale Hellestray]

I did a cleansing game real quick and I know Dave's got his time going. No, we need you. Oh, yeah, no, we need Dave. I did a cleansing game. And as we're driving up to the game, I'm seeing all these girls with cowboy boots and sundresses. Cowboy. And they're cute, pretty, you want to. And I'm like, just in my mind, I told my crew, I go, that's just. I don't understand that.

[John Holmberg]

Look.

[Dale Hellestray]

Cowboy boots, sundress. And. And the next week, I'm doing a Texas A and M game. My daughter came to see me. She was going to Baylor, and she's in the bathroom getting ready. And. And I'm getting ready also because walking out, she's got cowboy boots in the sundress. I said, no, not me. You're gonna kill me.

[John Holmberg]

No. All right. We have to have the false ending.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

To the show. So let's just. Dale, you and I can say goodbye like human beings. This or the sports thing coming to a close right here. Dale Hellestray, three time world champion with Dallas Cowboys in the early 90s. My name is John Holmberg, host of the wildly successful morning sickness on 98KUPD, and Dave Nash, who will now take over for the epilogue of the sports thing with hopefully. Do I have to give you a topic again? Oh, you got.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, man.

[John Holmberg]

All right, thanks for joining us. Here's Dave Nash's final say.

[Dave Nash]

So, the first two shows we did, we taped them and the same day. So I wasn't prepared for a lot of this. So I could go over all the things that we said in the first two shows, but I will tell you this.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, don't recap. That's where you left it.

[Dave Nash]

Well, because. Because listen, you threw. I'm like, I'm not prepared for all this. Listen, it's not like this is my job to know all this nonsense that's going on.

[John Holmberg]

It's your job to spew it.

[Dave Nash]

Well, right. So what I'm doing. Let me give some explanation to people who are listening about this. Come Covid time, I was the least political or nonsensical conspiracy theory stuff like that. But all of a sudden Covid comes along and you have to get a vaccine, experimental vaccine, or you lose your job. You can't go to a football game, you can't go shopping, you can't go.

[Dale Hellestray]

To a restaurant, see your mom.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

It seemed excessive.

[Dave Nash]

What country were we in? And for the last. From that point on, the last five years, I've just gone down the rabbit hole.

[John Holmberg]

You took the blue pill?

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, no, I took the red.

[John Holmberg]

The red pill was the one. Okay, never mind. We all took the blue pill and I went down.

[Dave Nash]

I didn't know any of this nonsense. I've only been on this kick for five years.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

And when you go down it. And, and, and I'm doing a TV show on this and I've taped 14, 15 shows on this.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, really?

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Just in your basement with.

[Dave Nash]

No, I'll tell you where you can see it and all this stuff later on, because we've taped it. They aren't coming on yet, but they will. It is for now, but it'll come on.

[John Holmberg]

I love it.

[Dave Nash]

And I tell you what, And I show with video clips, I explain all this stuff. And then I challenge anyone to watch that and say, oh, that's crazy, that's off, you're off. And so we had talked about it Maybe in the first or second show, we talked about 9, 11. So I'm gonna start there because a little. I started there on the TV shows basically because it is the most tragic, most horrific event that I think's happened in this country ever, but definitely within our lifetime. And the evidence shows, and the evidence is undeniable that maybe, maybe listeners right now don't even realize a 9, 11. Three buildings came down that day. You know that?

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

1, 2 and 7.

[Dave Nash]

1, 2 and 7.

[John Holmberg]

Actually there were a couple others, but they were seven.

[Dave Nash]

Wasn't hit by anything, anything. And it. And it came down in less at free fall speed, 6 1/2 seconds. A 48 floor building came down in its footprint.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

You explain to me how that happened.

[John Holmberg]

I can't right now. I will say this, that there is something to the idea of Building 7 if you watch it. Have you ever seen it, Dale?

[Dale Hellestray]

I'VE watched it.

[John Holmberg]

You watch?

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I'm sure Dave's shown you in the car that Building 7 was built a certain way. Now my dad's company builds stadiums and big buildings and stuff. So I always was there when they imploded. The one they were going to.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And it was a.

[Dave Nash]

Those are controlled demolitions.

[John Holmberg]

Incredibly specific to make sure it doesn't go one way or the other. I mean it is a razor's edge. This is not a haphazard plan.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So to watch buildings go straight down doesn't have the problem that. I'm going to go with you on this one. The trade centers themselves falling into themselves made a little sense to me.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Because you can melt the top end with that jet fuel.

[Dave Nash]

You can't melt to it.

[John Holmberg]

Well, steel doesn't do well with jet fuel at that type of temperature. It's going to weaken. So I can. I'll just give you that. Possibly, possibly it's not.

[Dave Nash]

But. Okay.

[John Holmberg]

It could have pancaked.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

It's. It's a structure that was pancakeable.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Building seven was a wide building.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And more of rectangular, not square. And it did go straight down and didn't have the excuse they're giving of the jet fuel. So my feelings were that they had tried to blow those buildings up for years. Since 93 all the other times. Why wouldn't they? And why. And this is where my. I would agree with a conspiracy not yours. Why wouldn't they put implosion devices in in case somebody tried? Because had they succeeded in 93 with what they tried to do with blowing it up with a U Haul, it was to take out one load bearing space that would have toppled it to.

[Dave Nash]

The right, you realize.

[John Holmberg]

So if they blew one of those buildings up it would have made sense to go. We need to plan for this just in case they do get it and we can knock this thing down straight so it doesn't fall into the other building. So it makes sense to me that they would have pre packed it with some sort of explosive. But they say so.

[Dave Nash]

But if that's the case. Our government was in charge of the investigation. We put nist, the National Institute of Standards and Technology under. They were in charge of the, of. Of the investigation.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

They said it came down because of fire. Our government investigated and said it came down because of fire. That's an out and out lie. That's a blatant lie.

[John Holmberg]

Hey Dale, watch this. And I'm fine with that.

[Dave Nash]

It's a blatant lie.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm fine with them lying to us every once in a while because we're mob and mob mentality is always wrong. So we'll go crazy for no reason.

[Dale Hellestray]

I just want to know whose five minutes this is because you're starting to take up a lot discussion.

[John Holmberg]

Dale.

[Dave Nash]

It's okay.

[John Holmberg]

You can't. You can't let this stuff run wild.

[Dave Nash]

But. But I'll tell you this. In regards to the towers, jet fuel burns at a maximum thousand degrees. Steel does not start becoming compromised until 2700 plus degrees. You could pump jet fuel into those buildings and steel would not have been compromised. Okay, that's just science. That's facts.

[John Holmberg]

What's the end game? Why?

[Dave Nash]

It was a false flag event. Because they want to take away our freedoms. Do you know what was passed after that?

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The whole Homeland Security.

[Dave Nash]

Homeland Security.

[Dale Hellestray]

This is where he got tsa.

[John Holmberg]

No, there's truth to that.

[Dale Hellestray]

This is where he got me.

[John Holmberg]

Homeland security is 9. 11 has. As if. If it was a staged event. It's hard to say. Okay. Why? Because Homeland Security was passed immediately. I don't think they're good enough at anything to do that. But what they do is play off of tragedy and take away our freedom. So I'll go with you.

[Dave Nash]

So I'll just ask you this. So. So you believe the government always tells us the truth?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, good lord, no.

[Dave Nash]

Okay. So there you go.

[John Holmberg]

I think they're designed to not tell us the truth to keep us at bay. Correct. Because we're the lunatic 100. We can sit and act like they're bad. We're nuts if we get bad information.

[Dave Nash]

I agree with you. Yeah, totally. And. And that's where. That's where you could sit here and say, hey, I mean the globalists are right. People are stupid. We probably got to get rid of most people. I'm not arguing that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

My problem is.

[John Holmberg]

Exactly.

[Dave Nash]

They're trying to kill me.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

My family and my friends.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe not your family so much. But I will definitely say there's a target on your.

[Dave Nash]

No, my kid got. Got a vax.

[John Holmberg]

Oh.

[Dave Nash]

They tried to force it on the.

[John Holmberg]

Other two and you pulled it away.

[Dave Nash]

You know what the other two were smart enough to say? I'm not doing this.

[John Holmberg]

But it starts. But like with parenting, you lie to your kids to keep them in line.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay, I get. That's a guy who has no kids.

[John Holmberg]

I was a kid and I found out later how many lies I was told. I was really well raised. I was lied to constantly to keep me from Losing my mind. I was. Constant lie. Santa's a lie. It has to be. And why so far. Sorry about that, but I don't think there's any kids out there still believe listening to this crap. There's no way that they don't come up with Santa as an all knowing, all seeing everything in its behavior based on presence. And they bring it up in April when you're acting a fool. They're like, oh, Santa saw that. You're like, crap.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't know what household you grew up in. Was that with your dad and your real mom or your stepmom?

[John Holmberg]

My stepmom wasn't around at that point. Well, she was, but not in that perspective.

[Dave Nash]

I agree with you, but the problem is the people that run all that, that was behind all this.

[Unidentified Male Guest]

Yeah, it's a.

[Dave Nash]

It's a club. And the problem is you. And I ain't in it. You might be in it.

[John Holmberg]

No, I'm not in it. They paid me properly. I get that.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I'm surprised. No, listen, you could be right in it.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Byron]

And.

[Dale Hellestray]

And he's a freemason. I mean, as much money.

[John Holmberg]

I have a tattoo.

[Dale Hellestray]

Freemason.

[Dave Nash]

Big money. Your best show. Radio.

[John Holmberg]

Sure. And I'm manipulating people with fart jokes and impressions, and they're just like, I will follow him into the.

[Dave Nash]

Howard Stern's a globalist clown. Same thing.

[John Holmberg]

Of course.

[Dave Nash]

Of course.

[John Holmberg]

But what's he doing with it?

[Dave Nash]

He's taking the money and running.

[John Holmberg]

But he's lost all of his audience.

[Dave Nash]

He doesn't care. He's got more money than God.

[John Holmberg]

And that's what I'm shooting for, too.

[Dave Nash]

Well, there you go.

[John Holmberg]

That's what being a globalist means. Count me in. Is Jerry Jones a globalist?

[Dave Nash]

No, I don't think so. Why is he not listen again. I haven't been invited to any of these meetings.

[John Holmberg]

But you know it exists.

[Dave Nash]

I'm not. I just know this. And this is. And this. And this is the whole key about what we were talking about. 911 wasn't what we were told. That is the biggest lie we've ever heard.

[John Holmberg]

Some of it, for sure.

[Dave Nash]

And then when you start looking into everything else that we've been told over the last 20 years, you start waking up to it. The show I've got, and Dale's been on it with me, the information will blow you away.

[John Holmberg]

Can't talk about the secret show on the Dark Web with Dave Nash.

[Dave Nash]

When. When it starts being played, I'll let.

[John Holmberg]

You see it all over it.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'll Let you see.

[John Holmberg]

I'm fascinated by it. I think you're crazy.

[Dale Hellestray]

You will. No. You will honestly think.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I'm sure it should. Not everything is black and white. There's always nuance. Somebody's lying, somebody's telling the truth. Somebody's getting away with something.

[Dave Nash]

If you think rich people who run things don't want to control. If you're then right, what do you think?

[John Holmberg]

Exactly. I'm not a rich person who wants control. I'm a rich. I demand control. Right.

[Dave Nash]

So I demand being more rich. More rich than you.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

More powerful than you. They're not going to put up with listening to us.

[John Holmberg]

No way.

[Dave Nash]

Exactly. Exactly.

[John Holmberg]

Give me a few more bucks and I'll listen to another word you say.

[Dave Nash]

So when people say, oh, that's you're crazy, that's a conspiracy theory. No, no, no. That's nonsense. Conspiracy theorists are critical.

[John Holmberg]

I know. I'm with you, Dale. Dale went to his clock. All right, that's critical.

[Dale Hellestray]

Think you're giving him five minutes?

[John Holmberg]

50. All right, that's. That's too good to stop.

[Dale Hellestray]

You were interrupting. In fairness to him, you interrupt.

[John Holmberg]

I interrupted to have questions. The people want to hear.

[Dale Hellestray]

He's folding things up.

[John Holmberg]

He said show ended a while ago. That's it.

[Byron]

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[John Holmberg]

Well, there you have it.

[Byron]

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