The Sports Thing - w/Holmberg, Hellestrae & Nash - Episode 1

Summary

Podcast Summary: Holmberg's Morning Sickness – The Sports Thing w/Holmberg, Hellestrae & Nash – Episode 1 (August 21, 2025)

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Episode Overview

This inaugural episode of "The Sports Thing" brings together John Holmberg, Dave Nash, and former Dallas Cowboys long snapper Dale Hellestrae for an unscripted, freewheeling discussion centered on sports—especially football—plus plenty of irreverent tangents, storytelling, and a heavy dash of conspiracy theory. The trio debates the preseason’s relevance, the importance (or not) of long snappers, MVP odds, and even the alleged Satanism of Taylor Swift, all in a raucous, bantering style.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Naming the Podcast & Introductions (02:07 – 03:15)

• The hosts riff on naming the podcast, with suggestions ranging from "This Sports Thing" to "Between the Legs with Dale."
• Holmberg jokingly calls himself a "professional jackass," Nash an "international entrepreneur," and highlights Hellestrae's NFL success.

Notable Quotes:

• "I wanted to call it the special team, because we put the special in special teams." – John Holmberg (02:56)
• "We’re all special in one way or another." – Dale Hellestrae (03:04)

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2. NFL Preseason’s (Lack of) Importance (03:40 – 08:13)

• Strong consensus that preseason is almost pointless and keeps getting worse.
• Dale advocates for two preseason games, noting most roster spots are predetermined ("There’s two to three spots every season." – 04:42).
• Discussion about how risky preseason games are for established players, as injury or a bad play can lead to getting cut.

Key Segments:

• [04:20] Dale on inevitable preseason changes and player safety.
• [07:18] Dale’s story about giving up a ball in a preseason game because he “didn't want to be out there.”

Notable Quotes:

• "If you play in [the last preseason game], you’re doomed." – John Holmberg (06:29)
• "The second halves of these preseason games, it's going to be the end of a kid's dream." – Dale Hellestrae (08:19)

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3. The Long Snapper Deep Dive (09:21 – 14:08)

• Holmberg argues no one knows a long snapper’s name unless they mess up; being a great long snapper means being invisible.
• The role’s changed over time—less hitting now, more specialization.
• Dale recounts brutal moments: “Philly Eagles lined up Reggie White & Jerome Brown just to knock the living crap out of you.” (10:40)
• Advice to kids: Learn to long snap for a path to the NFL and scholarships.

Notable Quotes:

• “The easiest position in football…when you can't get hit? Yes.” – Dale Hellestrae (11:01)
• "Long snappers… you never ever hear of any of them. The only time you ever would is if they're terrible." – John Holmberg (09:48)

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4. Talent, Drafting & The Mental Side of Sports (15:10 – 23:23)

• How physical talent gets you in the door, but mental strength and timing determine who succeeds.
• Stories about knowing players who had more talent but never made the pros.
• Dale credits Jimmy Johnson's willingness to cut high draft picks and emphasizes psychology over raw ability.

Key Segments:

• [18:21] Dave Nash on draft investments: “It’s an investment. When they draft guys high, they want to see them get there fast.”
• [21:00] Dale on mental collapse in preseason: “You see 6'6", 320 pound dudes… a jump off sides, then not hear the play, and they’re gone.”

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5. Team Sports, Stats & Overvalued Positions (23:25 – 30:31)

• Debate over value of sack stats versus holds/give-up sacks as linemen.
• Holmberg on T.J. Watt’s stats: "He didn't record a statistic the last three or four games… gets $41 million, though." (23:44)
• Discussion on how one player's numbers can be skewed because of other support roles (e.g., Micah Parsons, T.J. Watt).

Notable Quotes:

• "If I give up one sack a game… I'm cut." – Dale Hellestrae (27:34)
• “Alan Faneca didn’t have a hold in football his first eight years… that is incredible." – John Holmberg (28:08)

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6. Tom Brady: Owner-Announcer Conspiracy (29:10 – 44:13)

• Holmberg hypothesizes that as a Raiders owner and Fox analyst, Tom Brady gets competitive advantages—access to production meetings, inside info, potential for cheating reminiscent of Spygate and Deflategate.
• Dale and Dave debate whether access to practices/meetings really matters, with anecdotes about how teams do or don’t gain insight.
• Examples include Patriots past cheating scandals and MLB sign stealing.

Key Segments:

• [31:04] Holmberg: "If Tom Brady is in the press box watching practice… Fox is going to give him $30 million to have him go in blind?"
• [32:03] Holmberg: Patriots consistency in low fumble rates and how that changed after Deflategate.

Notable Quotes:

• “If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.” – John Holmberg (35:39)
• “Owner or announcer — not both.” – Dale Hellestrae (43:28)

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7. Gambling—Mindset, Problems & Ravens Preseason Bet (48:31 – 55:22)

• Nash’s father was a bookie; he’s gambled his whole life. Realization: "You don't win money gambling… there's too much juice."
• Season betting is entertainment, not profit.
• A "sure thing": Ravens win preseason games. All agree betting on other preseason games is degenerate-level stuff.

Key Segments:

• [54:23] Dave Nash: "Winning is a habit. John Harbaugh, I think is a great coach… create a habit amongst his team."
• [55:16] Dale Hellestrae: “If you're betting preseason Bengals, Seahawks… you're a gambler. Seriously?”

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8. Preseason MVP Odds – Predictions & Picks (55:26 – 63:42)

• Oddsmaker talk: Nash chooses Jordan Love as a long shot, Dale leans Mahomes or Josh Allen but ultimately picks Kyler Murray for shock value.
• Arguments about who actually gets MVP consideration (mostly QBs), why running backs (e.g., Saquon Barkley) are good value if their team overperforms.
• Extended riffing on the underrated Arizona Cardinals and surprise picks like Bo Nix.

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9. Off-the-Rails: Taylor Swift, Satanism & Globalist Conspiracies (66:26 – End)

• Holmberg prompts Nash to explain his hallway claim: “Taylor Swift is a Satanist.”
• Nash: Swift and Kelsey are “globalists … trying to form a one-world government and take away our freedoms.” (67:10)
• Holmberg and Dale playfully grill Nash’s logic, lampooning the scale and plausibility.

Memorable Quotes:

• “She’s part of the globalist system that’s trying to form a one-world government and take away our freedoms…” – Dave Nash (67:14)
• "If we could get Taylor Swift on this podcast... the money we'd get!" – Dale Hellestrae (71:58)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 02:07 | John Holmberg | "My name is John Holmberg, professional jackass." | | 04:42 | Dale Hellestrae | "There’s two to three spots every season." | | 07:18 | Dale Hellestrae | "I gave the ball away. Then I started thinking… if there's a camera, that's gonna look really, really bad." | | 10:40 | Dale Hellestrae | "We were there to try and knock the living crap out of you." | | 11:01 | Dale Hellestrae | "The easiest position in football… when you can't get hit? Yes." | | 18:21 | Dave Nash | "[High draft picks]… It’s an investment." | | 27:34 | Dale Hellestrae | "If I give up one sack a game… I'm cut." | | 35:39 | John Holmberg | "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying." | | 54:23 | Dave Nash | "Winning is a habit… John Harbaugh… trying to create a habit amongst his team." | | 55:16 | Dale Hellestrae | “If you're betting preseason Bengals, Seahawks… you're a gambler. Seriously?” | | 67:14 | Dave Nash | "She's part of the globalist system... trying to form a one-world government and take away our freedoms." |

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Key Episode Flow Outline

1. Podcast Title Banter & Introductions (02:07–03:15)
2. NFL Preseason – Who Cares? (03:40–08:13)
3. Long Snapper Appreciation/Obsession (09:21–14:08)
4. Physical vs Mental Talent, Draft Politics (15:10–23:23)
5. Individual Vs Team Achievements, Stat Debates (23:25–30:31)
6. Tom Brady Access Conspiracy – Owner/Announcer Conflict (29:10–44:13)
7. Gambling: Wisdom & Warnings – Ravens Lock (48:31–55:22)
8. 2025 NFL MVP Odds & Offseason Predictions (55:26–63:42)
9. Nash's Conspiracy Minute: Taylor Swift & the Satanist Globalists (66:26–end)

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Tone & Style

• Loose and irreverent: Frequent ribbing, NSFW humor, mock outrage, and casual expertise define the trio’s chemistry.
• Story-driven: Many personal memories from the pros, gambling world, and radio.
• Conspiratorial (comedic): Especially in the closing segment where Nash goes full tinfoil hat.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The preseason is less about finding the best players and more about protecting investments—and for most, it's a waste.
• Special teams players (especially long snappers) are underrated, yet it’s a niche that can make an NFL career.
• In sports, mentality and timing can be as defining as raw skill; the draft is rarely as predictive as teams hope.
• The current NFL’s blend of ownership, media, and money creates unprecedented power dynamics—Tom Brady’s new dual role sparks debate.
• Gambling remains a losing long-term proposition; even seasoned bettors know it’s for fun.
• Don’t bet on preseason—unless it’s the Ravens.
• 2025 MVP picks: Jordan Love (Nash), Kyler Murray (Dale), Saquon Barkley (Holmberg).
• The closing "Nash Conspiracy Minute" is a wild parade of satire, not to be taken as reporting or advice!

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For more in this off-the-rails but insightful sports chat, stay tuned to "The Sports Thing."

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dave Nash]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dave Nash]

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[Dale Hellestra]

All right.

[John Holmberg]

Headphones are on.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[Dale Hellestra]

But I'm not hearing you.

[John Holmberg]

You're not?

[Dale Hellestra]

No.

[John Holmberg]

At all. That's a laugh. Oh.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, I guess.

[John Holmberg]

Jesus Christ. I can hear you fine. You're fine because it's volume on the button. There it is. Dale. All set?

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

All right. Take one of the inaugural episode of whatever we're calling this. I happen to have a name for. We'll get to that in a little bit. Welcome to the very first episode of this thing. I am your host. I guess we'll call me that.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

My name is John Holmberg, professional jackass. Right across from me, Dave Nash, international entrepreneur. We'll get into that in a second as well. And three time world champion of the Dallas Cowboys in the early 90s. Remember when they were going to Super Bowls way back in the day? A lot of people don't. A lot of folks weren't born.

[Dale Hellestra]

No. If you were born 1996, you don't.

[John Holmberg]

Know any of this. If you were born in 1990, you don't know anything about you. Dale Hellasra joins us. We're ready to go. First and foremost, let's just say this thing has to have a name or it's pointless.

[Dave Nash]

I like this thing.

[John Holmberg]

This thing is not bad.

[Dave Nash]

This thing is not bad.

[John Holmberg]

This sports thing.

[Dave Nash]

This sports thing.

[John Holmberg]

This. There it is.

[Dave Nash]

We haven't even figured that out.

[Dale Hellestra]

You sent out like 22 different titles.

[Dave Nash]

I know, I like mine. But this is good. This thing is good, too. This sports thing is good, too.

[John Holmberg]

I like this. This sports thing. I think that's what we'll go with. I mean, we've had. I wanted to call it the special team because we put the special in special teams. There's no question about that.

[Dale Hellestra]

We're all special in one way or another.

[John Holmberg]

We're saying, dale, don't. Don't give away the game. And then, you know, we had a couple other.

[Dave Nash]

Are you making up all these, you're giving away all these names to these other people that are going to do podcasts?

[John Holmberg]

How many podcasts probably already have those names? AI will name your podcast, which is the more amazing thing. You just put it in AI and say doing a podcast with three time super bowl champion long snapper, and it'll say between the legs with Dale. Hell, or something, which I don't mind that either. Between the legs with Dale.

[Dale Hellestra]

I like that too, because there's a lot of things going on between the legs.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure AI is going to come up with three dick wads.

[John Holmberg]

Probably is what it'll end up being that way. Well, let's get to what we're supposed to be doing, which is talking about the world of sports. I work at 98 KUPD in Phoenix. Dale comes on my show every Thursday. We're supposed to talk sports, but we don't. We rarely do. So this is an opportunity for us to get that actually out of the way. Use your Thursday segment on my show as an opportunity to promote this thing that we're calling this sports thing. So let's start it off with what it is. Preseason is upon us. We're what, two weeks away from the Regular season at this point as we record. And I am officially done with preseason already. It is. Dale, you would know more than anybody it's the worst preseason has ever been.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, I think it continues to get worse. And if it, if you're asking me, it's inevitable it's going to happen. Two preseason games, 18 regular season games. As a former player, I say play 25 games, get my pension jacked up. You know, safety.

[John Holmberg]

To look at you, nobody cared about your safety. Exactly.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't care about that. No, in all seriousness, two preseason games, that's all they need. I've asked coaches when I played, how many roster spots are open when you open training camp, how many? On average, there's 53 guys on a roster and the coaches I was closest to Joe Alzano, special teams coach Hudson, Hudson Halk, offensive line coach. Both of them said 4,950 guys have made the team already. There's there, there's two to three spots every season.

[John Holmberg]

Isn't that wildly shortsighted, though? Well, you are throwing away because if you've seen the way scouts have worked, Achilles Smith was a number one pick. Oh, I mean, these guys swing and miss a lot.

[Dale Hellestra]

Just for reference, point I went. My son in law was kind enough. He went to the 1985 draft. I was the 112th pick in the 1985 Son in Law.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, went there like on the Internet.

[Dale Hellestra]

Because we're sitting there and I'm like, yeah, there were some jackasses that got drafted before me. Yeah. And literally there were early second round, middle second round, late second, that never played a game, much less a season.

[John Holmberg]

You're like 57 to 60% first round picks being beneficial years down the road.

[Dave Nash]

It's a crap.

[John Holmberg]

It's a crapshoot. And I always think to myself with this, you say there's less like you want, like, I think that was essential to have four preseason games with cuts as you go.

[Dale Hellestra]

But. But the thing is, anymore you don't want to play anybody in your last preseason game.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

So that's why they only have one cut now. Yeah. Because it used to be, hey, a couple guys get dinged up and all of a sudden it's like, who, who are we going to shoot up?

[John Holmberg]

So. So now it's basically that last preseason game. If you play in it, you're doomed.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You're not going to make the team.

[Dale Hellestra]

At all, especially if you're going out there in the second half.

[John Holmberg]

But what about these guys like Buffalo Joe, who's all Over Hard knocks right now. Or guy who walked on. On a pro audition that the Buffalo throws every year is like, hey, anybody want to come down? A public walk on.

[Dave Nash]

That's for scrimmages. But it's.

[John Holmberg]

He made the team.

[Dale Hellestra]

He's not starting one, two or three guys. They also have the practice squad, you know, so. So. So you give a guy a practice squad spot and then he's. He can prove himself over the year rather than three weeks. And so I got a quick antidote for you.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. So I'm pretty sure that's the word he meant to say.

[Dale Hellestra]

And.

[John Holmberg]

Antidote, Antidote.

[Dale Hellestra]

Antidote. Okay.

[John Holmberg]

You'll get that. You have a story for us.

[Dale Hellestra]

It was. I was playing. This is probably 96. So I'm 11 years into my career, and I'm out there in the second half of Cowboys preseason game, and I'm like, what the hell am I doing out here? Jason Garrett's the quarterback. We have. We run a sweep to the left, so I have to reach somebody. And we fumble the snap.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, boy.

[Dale Hellestra]

It was right between my legs. So I just. I was on the ground, picked it up, and guys are diving in, trying to rip the ball out. I said, here, you can have it. I don't want to be out here.

[John Holmberg]

You gave the ball away.

[Dale Hellestra]

I gave the ball away. Then I started thinking, walking on the field, if there's a camera, that's going to look really, really bad.

[John Holmberg]

Is there anybody who was like. Like you can think of. You played 16 years. How many preseason. I mean, after year, two, three. You're like, oh, man, I got the roster spot. I'm not going to break my ass for this, but they're going to put me out there to do it.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

How many times are you in the locker room and there's a dude hyping.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, they.

[John Holmberg]

Every year they have guys.

[Dale Hellestra]

I mean, every year. Because again, what I try and tell people, the second halves of these preseason games, it's going to be the end of a kid's dream.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

You know, and if he's a good kid, you know, there's some guys are just idiots. And you're like, get him out of here.

[Dave Nash]

I'm sorry. I don't believe Dale had the teammate ever.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, I. I had Barry Switzer come up to me one year. Okay. I'd broken my thumb. Just a little tip fracture. Yeah. And they said, I've had one of those.

[John Holmberg]

We'll get into Dave's work later.

[Dale Hellestra]

And they said. And they said, hey, we're going to Just keep you out at all preseason games. I'm like, it's a tip fracture. Like now we're gonna put a. And I said, well, you're not gonna put a little thimble on there. You gotta wrap the whole thing up to make it look.

[John Holmberg]

Make it look like you're serious.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah. And Barry Switcher came out to me like after the next preseason game goes Dale. What I would do is I would hold out next year. The entire coaching staff in front office is freaking out because they can't find a long step right now.

[John Holmberg]

See, that gets me to my next.

[Dave Nash]

That is a great lead in.

[John Holmberg]

It is an amazing lead in my next thing. Long snapper. Dave, I think you and I can talk about this.

[Dave Nash]

Totally.

[John Holmberg]

You were a professional ball player. Baseball. Correct.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

What position?

[Dave Nash]

Outfield. Outfield, which anyone can do.

[Dale Hellestra]

They're going to move you to catch.

[Dave Nash]

No, we're right.

[John Holmberg]

What's harder though? Center field or long snapping? Oh, on your body. They're center field.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, totally. Totally. Baseball.

[Dale Hellestra]

Center.

[Dave Nash]

You ran into enough fences.

[John Holmberg]

Exactly. And you've got to be in amazing shape. Long snappers. And people always say this about this and Dale was a great long snapper for years. But I say everyone who's ever made the NFL as a long snapper is a great long snapper. Because you never ever. You've never heard of any of them. Because the only time you ever would is if they're terrible.

[Dave Nash]

If there's a bad snap. And there's very few of them.

[John Holmberg]

There's a couple and then they're gone. The Steelers, my favorite team. The Steelers have had Christian Koontz as their long snapper free. You've never heard of him.

[Dave Nash]

Now, I'll give him some credit about the fact that they would beat him silly.

[John Holmberg]

Sure. They don't do that anymore.

[Dave Nash]

No, I. When did that rule came up where you can't touch the.

[John Holmberg]

When they saw what it did to Dale. When they saw him walking around like, we can't do this to people.

[Dave Nash]

Right. You gotta feel sorry for people like that.

[Dale Hellestra]

I try to tell people the Philadelphia Eagles lined up Clyde Simmons, Reggie White, Mike Golick and Jerome Brown between the guards. Yeah. And I. And I got to know my go later in our careers. And because Buddy Ryan didn't care if we blocked the kick, all we were there is to try and knock the living crap out of you.

[John Holmberg]

Got to hit you.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Now, do you think that it is.

[Dale Hellestra]

The easiest position in football when you can't get hit? Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Most definitely. Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

So for anyone out there that wants.

[John Holmberg]

To be a professional footballer.

[Dave Nash]

You can be. You can be any size. You could be 5 foot 4, 100 pounds. But if you can get it back to the punter and kick her straight.

[John Holmberg]

On, what is it, a 0.5 seconds, 0.7 seconds?

[Dave Nash]

Nothing.

[John Holmberg]

This is nothing. Why are people training their kids to go out there and get killed?

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't understand that. Because you get a full ride scholarship.

[John Holmberg]

You got a pension. You mentioned all the time, 16 years, you bending over and yeah, you're not in great shape anymore because he used to beat you up. Those days are over.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes. I would always tell a kid, I don't care how good you are as a linebacker or tight end, learn to.

[John Holmberg]

Long snap because they'll need you. Especially if you're just. If you're above average, they're going to make you great at it. Because I've seen special teams practice. I went to. This is years ago, usfl. I had a friend of mine who's a college roommate, and I was young, but he was like 18. I was like 13, 12. And he's like, come on down. The Oakland Invaders are at Mesa Community College. Work it out. So I went over there to watch. And all that they did for three hours. Snap, hold, kick, snap, punt. That dude's job all day. 150 times. Take a break. 150 more. Take. Right. You can't be bad at it and you're making league minimums.

[Dale Hellestra]

So things have changed. And it was at the tail end of my career to where you could specialize. You went back in 1985. I didn't get drafted to be a long snapper. I got drafted to be an offensive tackle.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dale Hellestra]

I mean, so. So much so that as we were leaving the last minicamp, I asked our offense line coach, hey, can I get a football? Do you know I snap? Yeah, we know you snap. We'll figure that out. So I like an NFL football to work with. That's how down the. Yeah. Oh, you wait on it.

[John Holmberg]

Who was the backup snapper for the Cowboys when you guys were champs?

[Dale Hellestra]

Darrell Johnston. Troy tried to do it.

[John Holmberg]

The fullback.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah. But like even in preseason games where they'd say, when I was healthy and Daryl put him in the second half, it was a close game. Yeah. He'd come over to me and go, hey, we got to make this field goal or whatever, will you go snap it?

[John Holmberg]

And no kidding.

[Dale Hellestra]

And obviously I would. But.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Because in college you've never heard of a long snapper. Because the second he. He messes up, it's over.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes, they're.

[John Holmberg]

They're. I mean, your career ends on one mistake.

[Dale Hellestra]

I got. I got one story for you. A Super bowl out here. Yeah. NBC is doing it. And, and on Monday and Tuesday, there's one. The headshots. This is just when the. Throwing the football up and looking like a dork on TV and goofing around. So, like, if you make a great catch for a touchdown, they, they throw that up. And I didn't go on Monday. The PR guy said, you need to go tomorrow. You're like the only guy who hasn't been there. And I said, I'm not going. He goes, why? I said, when do you think they show me? They're never when I make a good snap or when I make a bad snap in the super bowl. And then they show me.

[John Holmberg]

30 million people would finally see your face. Yeah, that's not a thing. But I've always said that, like, in baseball, you want to tell a kid, be a pitcher. Even though it's.

[Dave Nash]

You want him to throw left handed.

[John Holmberg]

Left handed pitching. Oh, my God. The only thing they've done in baseball to make left handed pitching a little harder is middle. Minimum three batters.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

There were dudes out there for years that just had a job to pitch to Barry Bonds. One batter, one batter, left hander. Go to Barry Bonds. If you get him out, great. Nobody can. And then he'd come out of the game. You're like, that guy just threw four pitches. And they call him a specialist.

[Dave Nash]

And generally they don't throw very hard. But I'll tell you what, the guys that I used to face, left handers, just seemingly had really natural movement.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It's just different, isn't it?

[Dave Nash]

It just comes off different. It just naturally they have balls that just ride.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Move.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, my. Because I could throw hard and I used to. Everybody used to tell me, it doesn't matter. You're too. You're too small and you. And you're right handed. Well, I could throw in the 90s, but it didn't matter.

[Dave Nash]

I don't care. Hey, talk to Pedro Martinez. Was he about £150?

[Dale Hellestra]

But.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but he's about. What is he, like six, two? I thought he's a little taller than that. Five' eleven. That's what I was.

[Dave Nash]

He was a.

[John Holmberg]

Excuse me, I'm six feet now.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, good.

[John Holmberg]

And I want to hear it from you.

[Dave Nash]

You're growing as you get older.

[John Holmberg]

No, I was five' eleven. I was like eighteen, nineteen. I could throw.

[Dave Nash]

What are you stepping in, dog? Poop.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I had heels on heels, Bottom of your shoes. It was my gimmick. I used to like to go up there and stilettos. Threw the batters off. A couple of guys couldn't hit, you know, screws you up. But it's my left handed approach. But they always just say that like. And I didn't have enough breaking stuff. My. It was straight heat. Doesn't matter.

[Dale Hellestra]

They're gonna catch up to that.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. If you're gonna throw hard, you have to throw 90.

[Dave Nash]

I'll tell you a little story. My roommate was Kevin Tapany.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

He pitched in the big leagues about 12, 13 years. He won a world series with the Twins when they had Morris and Erickson.

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Starting pitcher. I think one year he got, he was fifth in the Cy Young voting. So yeah, good pitcher. And in, in college, I mean he just threw just razor straight. 96, 97, whatever. He just. But, but when he got to the pros and professionally and I went down spring training, I'd go out early with him and he's just messing around, throwing me batting practice. Messing around. Probably throwing 70%.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

But his ball is moving everywhere all of a sudden.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And he became much better as he, as he, as he, as he had more movement, more coaching, more technique, just throwing it straight string. I don't care how hard you throw.

[John Holmberg]

They'Re going to get.

[Dave Nash]

Guys are going to catch up.

[John Holmberg]

I tried out for the Cubs, the strike season.

[Dave Nash]

Nice.

[John Holmberg]

They let everybody do it.

[Dave Nash]

Nice.

[John Holmberg]

Thousands of jackasses like me. And I made the first cut thinking this is going to be easy because I threw hard. But one coach came over to me and he goes, you have the worst mechanics here. And I'm like, I do. And he goes, you throw rockets, but it doesn't matter. And he put me in this place with a guy who was about 28. He'd played double A and he was, he didn't care about the strike. He was going to try to open eyes. I, I watched this guy throw 10 or 12 pitches at about 87, 88 miles an hour. That movement on him that I'm like, I am in over my head so much and it was effortless.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I've got every ounce of energy. I've got to throw 90 miles an hour.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I'm breathing hard and this guy's nothing foot and a half.

[Dave Nash]

Well, you would think that if they could improve your mechanics, you might throw a little bit harder. And I tell you what, you get it, you pump it up in the 90s that you can, you can.

[John Holmberg]

I think just physically there's a difference between people who can and can't.

[Dave Nash]

Well, that.

[John Holmberg]

And this was a double. A guy. This guy couldn't break through.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And it's, it was a brutal.

[Dave Nash]

Listen, I played with a ton of guys that were. I played a ton of guys that made it, played a ton of guys that. More that didn't.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And sometimes it was indistinct, this indistinguishable. It just. Guy was in the right place at the right time or as we talk about in the draft, he was drafted high. He's got a lot of money in him. And this is a, this is a, this is an investment. When they draft guys high, they want to see them get there fast. And if they don't, then they're not. It looks upon them poorly. Their job's on the line that they can't. Everyone that keeps drafting high.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave Nash]

So they're going to push those guys along. And guys who were drafted in the lower spot who are just as talented as all get out but really weren't looked upon as a prospect then, you know, they never really, really made it up. And I play with guys that I'm like, oh my God, this guy's. This guy's got some talent and nothing ever came.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

What's so fascinating me is as we, we talk about this and obviously you're talking baseball, but really any sport, I think up here in your head 100 separate. I mean, you've obviously, you're a really good golfer. You played with really good golfers. But there's a difference between, like Scotty Scheffler. You look at him, nobody's teaching his swing. No, no, no golf pros teaching his swing. But you also can't teach the mindset. Yeah. And I think that separates a lot of guys.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I think that's kind of going back to what Dave said and what in football and preseason. That's why I think the games are more important, even though they've kind of made them so hard to watch, is that you do automatically mentally think first, second, third round picks are good and better than a fourth round. That's not. There's 25 people in between your third round pick and a fourth round pick. And sometimes your third round pick is four picks from a fourth round pick.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So you're always labeled as he was a fourth rounder, but you might have been the first three picks of the fourth round and the guy in the bottom of the third round. But mentally you want a third rounder to definitely make the team. So back to what you were saying, Davis. Like you're in your brain. These guys are like, I can't have my third round guy be a complete swing and miss.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So you automatically move him places he might not have gone had it just been a hodgepodge tryout.

[Dale Hellestra]

And I will tell you this, two things. One part of the genius of Jimmie Johnson and nothing ever gets talked about. Had so many draft picks. He caught a second round offensive lineman in his first training. Unheard of in his first training camp. And the next year he cut a third round draft pick.

[John Holmberg]

And Jerry was GM at the time in name only.

[Dale Hellestra]

But Jimmy. What I'm trying to say is Jimmy.

[John Holmberg]

Didn'T care because that's why Jimmy and Jerry stopped getting along.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, they.

[John Holmberg]

Because of that moment later when Bob Costa asked him.

[Dave Nash]

I think that was an ego thing by.

[John Holmberg]

Nobody asked him. He said, who's in charge of the football around there? And Jimmy's like, he thinks he is right.

[Dale Hellestra]

And they both. The thing about the demise of the Cowboys, bunch of reasons. We can get into other shows, but Jimmy used to always tell us, when you're good, there's enough credit to go around. Michael's going to get his, Troy's going to get his, Emmett's going to get his. And then at the end of the day, Jimmy wanted all the credit. Yeah. Instead of giving Jerry a little.

[John Holmberg]

Could have shared it a little bit.

[Dale Hellestra]

But again, I think so much when you get to that level is the fact that, I mean, I'm 37 years old and I still was the seventh or sixth offensive lineman the entire year. And you see six, six, 320 pound dudes who could bench press this building come into our. Into our team and the first preseason game, jump off sides. Yeah. And go back to the huddle thinking about that and then not hear the play. Yeah. And all of a sudden they're mentally gone. Yeah. And it's like you look at him and you go, how in the hell can you be that weak mentally?

[John Holmberg]

Huge. Yeah. Because you've been living off of it, you know. And so, yeah, most of the time, I think prior to getting to the NFL, they've been living off the idea that they're 66320 and nobody's gonna mess with them. They've won every battle they've ever fought.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

So the first time before and what made our college team really good, we went to the college world. We went to the regionals. My final three.

[John Holmberg]

Man, that got that Went from College World Series to regionals to. We. We won most of our.

[Dave Nash]

Something.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, no, no.

[Dave Nash]

We. We were.

[Dale Hellestra]

We. We came up on game short a.

[Dave Nash]

Couple times to go to the College World Series. Small little school at Central Michigan. Big deal.

[John Holmberg]

So you didn't go?

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. That's all that matter. Just get. Just land the plane.

[Dale Hellestra]

Land the plane.

[Dave Nash]

We. We were there because we had guys that thought we were better than everyone.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And we weren't afraid of anyone. And we were actually offended that the other team thought they could beat us.

[John Holmberg]

That they showed up. Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Like, what are you doing here? We're gonna kill you. And that's. That's all mental. That's up here. That's positive. That's just being. Just full of your self in regards to your abilities, which maybe more so than it should, but. But if you believe like that and you have. You have a whole team full of guys that believe like that. I'll go to war with them any time.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah. To me, there's so much. When you talk about the three major sports, mentally, there's different. Gymnastics, football. You know, you're an offensive line. Boom. You give up a sack. You can't give up a sack a game because you're going to be cut. Defensive lineman gets a sack a game. He's getting $40 million now. Yeah. But so, so much of it is the mental part of it. And when you. When you. When you talk about going and stepping on the field again, it comes up here. And if you feel. And you have the. Obviously, you have to have the talent. Yeah. But the mentality also carries.

[Dave Nash]

A lot of guys got talent. A lot of guys can do stuff.

[John Holmberg]

Tons. Here's the thing. You just mentioned TJ Watt and Miles Garrett without saying their names. And you're right, because tj, as a huge Steeler fan. I know my stuff. With the Steelers last five games of last year, he didn't record a statistic.

[Dale Hellestra]

You mean a sack.

[Dave Nash]

Wasn't he hurt, though, a stat?

[John Holmberg]

No, he was dinged up, but he was on the field.

[Dale Hellestra]

Not a tackle, Nothing like.

[John Holmberg]

TJ Watt was shut out. I think it was the last three or four games for sure. Zero.

[Dale Hellestra]

Really.

[John Holmberg]

He got well. They just. They doubled up. They weren't afraid of Highsmith on the other end. He was hurt. All, like, a little bit, so. And the team was gassed. They couldn't stop the run. You just go up the middle. TJ's doesn't matter outside. They just didn't go that way.

[Dale Hellestra]

Wow.

[John Holmberg]

So it was essentially like having a cover like a shutdown corner. Just don't throw to him right the other side. He's not going to record a statistic. Gets $41 million, though, based on the idea that years passed, and not last year, but 17, 18 sacks. He's. He is a remarkable player, yes, but it has to be inferior, infuriating on the team to see a guy who's recording one important statistic a game, and that's going to be his calling. Miles Garrett's no different. I think TJ is better. Miles, in one regard is that he's going to knock the ball loose.

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[John Holmberg]

So you look at $40 million when you're on a team and you watch a guy pull 40 million, you're the cowboys right now. And you're looking at Micah Parsons going, if it wasn't for the up, the guys up front, you're not making these plays or guys covering or the back end. Yeah. So I mean, this, this whole. It's the ultimate team sport. I always laugh. Ultimate team sport. That's what every guy screams when they're like, this is the ultimate team sport. We're a family. Where you. But when it comes down to it, my stats matter more.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Is that agent or player?

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, I, I Think players again. I've never been in a negotiation for.

[John Holmberg]

Nobody but they were negotiating to get.

[Dale Hellestra]

You out there big time. Al Davis did. I'll tell you that story. I do know that one on down the line. But again, just look at the lopsidedness lopsidedness of this. Yeah. T.J. watt. What did he get have last year? 11 sacks.

[John Holmberg]

11 or 12. Yeah. So he was hurt a lot. But still.

[Dave Nash]

But he was hurt a lot. I don't even think he played that much. I know you because you watch every.

[John Holmberg]

Minute of every game and he makes plays, he rush, he gets to the court. But he wasn't recording statistics.

[Dave Nash]

Well, don't you record a pressure.

[John Holmberg]

He had, he had QB pressures. Not as many as you'd need though.

[Dave Nash]

Because they were running obviously because they lost their final four.

[John Holmberg]

Five include the playoffs.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestra]

Thank you. And so again to finish the spot here, he's less than one sack a game.

[John Holmberg]

Yep.

[Dave Nash]

Were you impressed? I knew that last.

[John Holmberg]

Last. Pretty good last. Nash is paying attention some of my notes.

[Dale Hellestra]

So some of the things that come out of this guy. You people will get to understand.

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah, we'll get to.

[Dale Hellestra]

You'll never understand the end of every.

[John Holmberg]

One of whatever this is is going to be all we can walk out. Dale and I will leave and let Nash have at the the lunacy that by the way we're going to have a disclaimer. We should do this now. A disclaimer before we get to inside the mind of Dave Nash. And that will be. This is only his opinion. So when you are inevitably canceled, Dale and I can go on.

[Dave Nash]

Correct.

[John Holmberg]

Correct. But go on. Dale. I apologize. He interrupted with the lunatic.

[Dale Hellestra]

But think about an offensive lineman. If, if I give up one sack a game. Yeah. I'm pass blocking 40 times. Say on average. Yeah. And I give a one sack a game. I'm cut.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. If there's 72 plays and you're giving up one or two.

[Dale Hellestra]

I mean if you, if you, if you give up 17 sacks and it's season, it's an offensive tackle, you're not coming back next year.

[John Holmberg]

One of the more amazing statistics of all time. Alan Fanica didn't have a hold in football his first like eight years.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Didn't. That is incredible. Incredible.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

The first time we get a holding flag, which I think is a bigger stat than giving up a sack.

[Dave Nash]

Totally agree.

[John Holmberg]

I, I, I think that's huge. You get a guy who, who does a couple of holds or won a game.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You're running into some trouble. That's 10 yards.

[Dave Nash]

That's a sack. That's a drive killer.

[John Holmberg]

Especially if the play goes off.

[Dave Nash]

And don't get me started about the fact that they want to kill drive sometimes.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, boy. Conspiracy. All right, let's get into that.

[Dave Nash]

I'll have plenty of time.

[Dale Hellestra]

By the way, did you sign the disclaimers? Who walked in here? Have you been vaccinated?

[John Holmberg]

No, no, no. We'll get into that, too.

[Dale Hellestra]

Look, Dave put that out.

[John Holmberg]

We'll start an entire podcast. That is nothing that. We'll do it again. Let Dave run it, and you and I will just sit back and go, this guy is gonna erupt. It's bad news. I mean, the hypertension of just thinking about it has turned you into like. It's like a Willy Wonka character. Like the red wallpaper. It's turned to bright pink.

[Dave Nash]

Can't argue.

[John Holmberg]

Let's get into though. We're gonna talk a little conspiracy now. I want to be. If this. If this thing's got any hope to be a thing we have to talk about stuff no one else is talking about.

[Dave Nash]

I already forgot the name of it.

[John Holmberg]

Was it this thing or this sports thing?

[Dave Nash]

Thank you.

[John Holmberg]

I think that's what we call it. We'll go back, we'll listen again. All right, don't hold this till.

[Dave Nash]

Figure it out.

[John Holmberg]

We're new. Let's talk about stuff no one else is talking about. And it'll get you fired up. I watched a little preseason football yesterday with the Raiders, and they made a big deal out of the new owners. Tom Brady and his little group wandering in in an Al Davis satin jacket with the glasses. Didn't have the little grandma thing hanging offside. Pair of glass dressed sort of like an homage to Al Davis. White jacket, white jacket, Raiders logo. And I said to myself, no one's bringing it up. No one wants to bring it up. The NFL doesn't want to bring it up. Tom Brady's cheating again. Here's why. He's allowed to call any game he wants. Raiders, too. He's just not allowed in on the meetings before. You're telling me nobody in his broadcast team that gets to go to the. Because a lot of people don't know that the broadcasters during the week have access to the training facility. A lot of times they'll show up on like a Thursday and watch walkthroughs and stuff like that and then interview coaches and players and everything else. Tom Brady being the number one, a team color play by play guy for Fox, color commentator for Fox. Isn't Allowed in. In these meetings.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

You're telling me Fox is going to give him $30 million to have him go in blind? Kevin Burkhart's not going to lean to him. Go. All right, here's what we got. Two dudes that are sitting there didn't record that meeting. We all know they love recording things.

[Dave Nash]

These.

[John Holmberg]

This Brady Belichick history. Who's allowing this?

[Dale Hellestra]

The NFL.

[Dave Nash]

All right.

[John Holmberg]

You wouldn't be furious if you're playing. If you're the Broncos and you're in a battle with the Raiders a week earlier, He's. He called the Broncos game.

[Dave Nash]

Hey, Herman, come on here. He's been in these. In these meetings.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

What are they telling you? They telling you anything important?

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't think that you glean that off of practice.

[John Holmberg]

Are you kidding me? Why was it a big deal to tape them then? If Tom Brady is in the press box watching practice on a Thursday or Friday and he's like, oh, you're on.

[Dale Hellestra]

This field actually, and you're actually not watch. Watching plays.

[John Holmberg]

You're watching.

[Dale Hellestra]

And if you're Tom Brady and you're interacting with some players, Tom Brady has.

[Dave Nash]

A camera in his hand.

[John Holmberg]

There's a history is my point.

[Dale Hellestra]

What's that?

[John Holmberg]

There's a history here. Everything that was a cheater. Yes. Everything that was supposed to be sort of normal always was until the Patriots decided to say, we'll. We'll loophole it a little bit. We'll goof around. He's. He knows how to do this.

[Dale Hellestra]

I will steadfastly say this. The inflation deflation of football is the most cockamamie.

[John Holmberg]

No, it is not. Argument.

[Dave Nash]

I'm with this guy.

[Dale Hellestra]

Argument.

[John Holmberg]

Ever heard statistic? Ever heard good statistic?

[Dale Hellestra]

Ever heard.

[John Holmberg]

Go ahead. For five straight years, the New England Patriots led the league in fumbles per carry, not more. They the least amount of fumbles per carry as a team.

[Dale Hellestra]

Because they stress.

[John Holmberg]

Every team stresses. No, they don't know every team, does they? Nobody 2 through 14 were ever the same. It was. And everybody was about the same. It was about 2.3 or whatever, right? The Patriots.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Because at one point had no fumbles at home for like a 13 game stretch. Were ahead of them by two fumbles. Like, it was an amazing difference. And they were always first. And it was Carolina. Next year was Buffalo. Next year was Cincinnati. Always a different team underneath because it was just a matter of whatever. They were consistently on top. Then they found out they were deflating footballs. The next year, the patriots were like 14.

[Dave Nash]

Okay, so I'll give you the fact.

[John Holmberg]

That is a massive fact.

[Dave Nash]

I'll give you that. That's. Maybe help them and not fumble. I'll give you that.

[John Holmberg]

You hold the pillow versus a football. You're not going to drop it.

[Dave Nash]

Who cares? Everybody who plays, every team in the league, when they're on offense, they play with their football.

[John Holmberg]

The Indianapolis Colts guy who caught the interception and brought it to the ref and said, this ball is practically flat. And he did it because he was told before, I think their footballs are different. And make sure if you get your hands on one on defense to bring it to me. They did. They discovered it was flat. Now we're rehashing. Everything's wrong with that.

[Dave Nash]

Why shouldn't a team have. Hey, listen, I don't have a problem with that either.

[John Holmberg]

Yes, you do. No, listen, you didn't make it. But if you corked your bat, you might have.

[Dave Nash]

Maybe. Okay, I agree with that. I was too lazy. I barely even put tape on my back. There's a lot of work. You know how much work there was a cork, a bat.

[John Holmberg]

And you know what? You cork it, what happens? You end up in the bigs. You splatting a football. There you are in the 16th AFC championship game.

[Dave Nash]

Or in my time, if you did roids, you'd get there also.

[John Holmberg]

Exactly.

[Dave Nash]

Everyone was doing that. But. All right, so I was stupid.

[John Holmberg]

You didn't deny it.

[Dave Nash]

But the point is, if. If a team wants to play with a less inflated ball, why. Why do we need that rule? They could have it flat and throw it as a Frisbee. Tom Brady out there throwing as a Frisbee. Who cares?

[John Holmberg]

I'm just saying the history. And now we're just talking about the football flattening thing. So there's an argument. I'll give you guys that. Your argument's terrible, but you have.

[Dave Nash]

Hey, back in the 30s.

[John Holmberg]

Go back to the tapes.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, here's what I'm saying real quick, because I'm the only one who's seen this process. Yeah. In the 90s, our kickers would take the 12 game balls. They put them in a netted. Netted bag. Yeah. They bang it against the wall. Out of them, but beat the hell out of it. Throw it in a dryer. One, two, three cycles.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dale Hellestra]

Give a ball to Troy. How's that feel like now? Bang against the wall a little bit more.

[John Holmberg]

Sure. Scuff it up. That's fine.

[Dale Hellestra]

Some baseball, but Troy is not going to. Well, what's the regulation on? The inflation of football.

[John Holmberg]

He's like, you know what I've discovered? It's easier to hang onto this thing and just the same for me to throw it. We drop some PSI to this. The hands on a running back are huge.

[Dave Nash]

I'll agree with you. It's much easier to hold on to. Much easier to throw it. And okay, so why can't we make it easier for everyone to hold it, to throw it?

[Dale Hellestra]

To this point, I'm just.

[Dave Nash]

What I'm saying, hey, if other teams aren't smart enough to do that, I don't disagree. It's on them.

[John Holmberg]

Look for the. I've always said, you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And there's a certain couple things that could. Marriages are trouble when you have that philosophy. So we'll get into that another time. But if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. But when you get caught, you're the pariah for the rest of your life. You're scarlet lettered. And Tom Brady has been caught doing multiple things, cheating. Now he's dressed up like Al Davis and he's supposed to call games fairly.

[Dave Nash]

Are you the pariah or are you just smarter than everyone?

[John Holmberg]

The Cowboys.

[Dave Nash]

God.

[John Holmberg]

If the Cowboys play the Broncos this year, and I think the Broncos are going to surprise some people.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, they already surprised everyone last year.

[John Holmberg]

And Tom Brady's calling this game.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And Kevin Burkhart's like, yeah, they kind of. One of the guys told me about, you know, slipping into this thing next week against the Raiders and anything, any little tidbit of information. And they're watching practice. And he's like, yeah, they're going to switch to this type of defense or they're going to run this whole thing this week. You haven't seen it on tape yet. It's like, okay. He goes and calls immediately, hey, guys, prep for this. To his Raider team that he owns, Dale.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, that's Dale.

[John Holmberg]

If Jerry Jones or Steven Jones were allowed in anyone else's production meetings, don't use them, okay? If Steven Jones was in a production meeting, everybody, everybody freak out.

[Dave Nash]

How many plays are put in every week.

[Dale Hellestra]

I've got. I think it's hilarious when they try to have close practice. The one they had, try to be secretive because, again, there's so much tape out there and they have so many assistants that look at everything.

[John Holmberg]

And why was it a big deal when the, when the. When the Patriots were.

[Dale Hellestra]

It wasn't that big of a deal. You made it a big deal. No, I don't.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't.

[Dale Hellestra]

You're the general public.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't know about it until ESPN and Fox Sports and everybody else said, shouldn't be doing that until the Cincinnati Bengals caught him again and said, what are you doing? You cannot tape us.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, that, that, that was stupid. The jets, you get the film.

[John Holmberg]

The other thing, and this is, oh, I'm turning into Nash already. Heinz Ward said that. And Jerome Bettis has the greatest story about the AFC championship game in 2004.

[Dale Hellestra]

Did they lose?

[John Holmberg]

Quiet. He said that they came in with their offense and they, they lined up and they had brand new plays with brand new language for their playoff game. A couple, couple of plays that were going to wrinkles, okay? And they lined up and the nose tackle, Vince Wilfort.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

309,000 pound Vince Wilfor stands up and calls timeout and he runs to the sideline. And Bettis is like, those tackles don't run anywhere if they don't have to, right? Talks to Belichick, they come back and we're like, we're running this play still. They don't know it. And lined up three right where it was going. And Ben's a rookie quarterback and they're like, they know the play. Heinz Ward said the cornerback shouted out their new language and said, blah, blah, blah, blah. When he called it out, he goes, oh, that's the, that's the new Omaha. Omaha or whatever. And he's like, that's our brand new verbiage.

[Dave Nash]

How'd they get it?

[John Holmberg]

How'd they get it? Okay, how? They stole it. When they were taping everything. This was the tape gates. This was when they were taping. So what I'm saying is that, oh, Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning said they never had a meeting together inside the locker room at Foxborough. They would go into the hallway or bathroom.

[Dave Nash]

Makes sense.

[John Holmberg]

Those are the two most reputable human beings in football. Tony Dungey.

[Dave Nash]

That's how you beat that. That's how you beat that. By cheating back. If, you know, terrible. If. Well, no, listen, I'll go to the baseball analogy in regards to the Astro stealing the signs from another electronically. Listen, I have no problem with that, actually. What, what the team was playing, was it the Yankees playing them or anyone else playing them throughout the year? If you know they're doing that, then you cross up the signals without them knowing.

[John Holmberg]

They weren't sure and they were stealing during the game. You still have to hit the ball, but if you know what's coming as a pro hitter, you know you can take one that is trash for the pitch.

[Dave Nash]

But if you. If you have an indication that someone is stealing signs.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, but if you're wearing electronics that vibrate against you, stealing signs is one thing. Guy on second. It's gamesmanship. Guy on second gives you a little arm signal or something. Claps, taps his hands like a fastball's coming in.

[Dave Nash]

That or a little electronic buzzing.

[John Holmberg]

Pitch and buzzing a guy.

[Dale Hellestra]

It's because you go to great lengths. I think we're talking about two completely different things. You wear an apparatus to cheat. That's cheating.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Eyeballs. Eyeballs aren't cheating if you're just smarter than the other team.

[John Holmberg]

That's gamesmanship.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah, that's gamesmanship.

[Dave Nash]

And again, now they have apparatuses, balls and strikes from the pitcher and the catcher. So what's the difference?

[Dale Hellestra]

Now they have an earpiece.

[Dave Nash]

They have an earpiece that's not electronic.

[John Holmberg]

Yes. Because of the Astros.

[Dave Nash]

Okay, so if. If teams. The Astros beforehand, just start using that. Before they weren't allowed. What do you mean?

[John Holmberg]

Everybody else did their jobs proper. This team went above and beyond. Which is why all this proves my point that Tom Brady, as an owner, should not a. Should not be an owner or should not be calling.

[Dale Hellestra]

I will agree with that. Yeah. He should not be the lead analyst. If he can't go sit in meetings.

[John Holmberg]

And listen and whatever, it hurts the product. But there's a reason he's like, that's okay. I'll have these guys record it. Anything you can steal to help your team is good. Like you said, gamesmanship. If he's got access that no other owner has.0. Owner Jerry Jones is not allowed to go to the Eagles practice.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Just not allowed a week before a game with the Eagles, if they're on the schedule at all.

[Dale Hellestra]

He's not going to come when the Eagles are in the super bowl and he's not.

[John Holmberg]

There's one. There's one. Yes. But I mean, if it's even five weeks before they play the Cowboys and Jerry Jones is walking around, everybody in the Eagles is like, oh, shut it down.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right, Right.

[John Holmberg]

So Tom Brady not being allowed out there anymore. You know, he can infiltrate a lot easier is what I'm saying. And he's done it before.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm with you now.

[John Holmberg]

See, I talked with you.

[Dale Hellestra]

That's how good I am. But I'm not with you about the past.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I'm right about that. So you don't have to be with me. I don't care. Two plus two is four. You can say it's five all day and go your other way. I'm just telling you right now, the Tom Brady thing is such a huge, like, everybody thinks it's cute. And I'm like, Don Quixote on this one. I'm like, why in the world is this allowed? Why aren't the Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs even? Why aren't they screaming and yelling at us?

[Dave Nash]

I'm going to go back to Dale's heyday with the Cowboys. You lined up. You knew Emmett Smith's seven, eight yards back.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And he's going to go off guard, off tackle. Left or right, you know it's coming. Doesn't matter. Nate Newton doesn't matter. If they know it's coming, you gotta stop it.

[John Holmberg]

They didn't do that the first week. Once they started to realize we're gonna dominate you, then they got cocky and said, we're gonna tell you our play.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't know if you saw this, but they were talking about Larry Allen. I didn't even know he did this a few times. Yeah, but evidently he wouldn't break the huddle. And they're running left and he's at left tackle or left guard. He'd go, woot. Woot.

[John Holmberg]

Is that right? He'd let him know.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah, the defensive tackle was talking about him.

[John Holmberg]

It's. But. But he never did that against a guy he struggled with.

[Dale Hellestra]

With.

[John Holmberg]

No, he did it against a dude he knew he could beat and he struggle with. Well, there's the thing. He had a lot of times.

[Dale Hellestra]

He could woot a lot.

[Dave Nash]

Let's just say that the greatest offensive lineman.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that whole line outside. Outside of their backups.

[Dale Hellestra]

I mean, the whole line. Couple the backups. You kidding me?

[John Holmberg]

A couple of the backups. And then you get into that other thing. Yeah, I just. I look at the Tom Brady thing, and I. I have not seen one single person he's held in such reverence that he's allowed to wander and do whatever he wants.

[Dale Hellestra]

I don't like that. Don't we forget, I don't like the ownership and announcing football games. Fox would do right by saying, you know what?

[John Holmberg]

One or the other. One or the other. You can be a quiet owner, but you're not going to wander around in Raiders gear. I thought it was odd when Greg Olson would call games and he was still playing like he'd had the off weeks and that time he was injured. I'm like, you can't do this. You just get inside the building. There's great efforts to, like you said, closed practice. Go by the Cardinals facility here in Tempe. Arizona. And it's all, you know, oleanders and bushes. Nobody can get in. Fans can't peek through a fence. You can't see anything. Just in case there's a little subterfuge coming your way. And some teams like, well, I gotta weigh in. Drones aren't allowed anywhere near the facility. There's a reason for it.

[Dave Nash]

I will still be the voice of unreason here, and I will say if. If they're worried about what Tom Brady's gonna do, give him misinformation in these.

[John Holmberg]

Meetings, you can do that, too.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

But it isn't about them spilling the beans. It's about what he takes from it, if there's an advantage.

[Dave Nash]

Misinformation.

[John Holmberg]

But you're not.

[Dave Nash]

Our government does it to us every day.

[John Holmberg]

He's dying to jump off this board, isn't he? I'm just saying. Yeah. You get him out on that, on that field, he might not get anything. No team's going to waste time in practice running plays. They're never going to run. Go back to the game with. I remember Marshall Falk when the. When the Saints beat. Who is it? They beat the Colts in the Super Bowl.

[Dave Nash]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

And they did the America's Game, as they do on NFL Network right before the season starts. They show it, and then they go back to the panel. It was Marshall Falk. I think Dion was there, Rich.

[Dale Hellestra]

Oh, you say talking.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, talking. And they just ran it. NFL Network ran it for the first time. It usually runs right before the Thursday night game that opens the season. And the Patriots were. Were in the heart of the tape gate. Marshall Falk said at the end of that. Because, remember, in that game, there was the surprise on side kick.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And that surprise onside kick included about three people that are not normally on the special teams.

[Dale Hellestra]

Okay. All right.

[John Holmberg]

And so they threw it out there. And when they came back after the America's game, Marshall Fox said you had a tape of that in practice. Oh, and also in the Americas game, they showed them practice this, like, 15 times, this onside kick, like they were planning one no matter what. And they. They were mixing and matching who was going to be where. And then they ran one about six times in a row. Like, there's our. There it is. This is what we're going to do. Marshall said if you had a tape of their practice, that wouldn't happen, and that whole game would have been different. That's what I'm talking about. If Tom Brady is at a practice and he's watching them run a Thing a week early. And he's like, oh, every time Jerry Judy is on the thing for specialty.

[Dave Nash]

How often is the announcer come in? He's not there all week.

[John Holmberg]

He's on the field.

[Dave Nash]

Not there all week.

[John Holmberg]

In the most important preparation days of practice, which are Thursday, Friday, Dale, what do you get?

[Dale Hellestra]

Three hours. You're usually there for the Friday walkthrough.

[John Holmberg]

A huge walkthrough. It's installed the entire game plan. Okay, then the whole week is pointless.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, it's not. No, the whole week is not.

[John Holmberg]

Well, you're saying basically everybody already knows what you're doing.

[Dale Hellestra]

What I'm saying is that how I would handle it if I'm a head coach and Tom Brady's doing my game.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

And he. And. But it's not. Not in practice.

[John Holmberg]

But I'm not talking to anybody on that broadcast team.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'm being very vague.

[John Holmberg]

Tom's got a lot of money. He's just handing over like the. The production kid that. That takes notes for Kevin Burkhart.

[Dave Nash]

Tom doesn't have to do that. I mean, you get anywhere. You get anyone to do that.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

This league was so afraid of gambling infiltrating for years.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

That they were like, oh, we can't risk these big time gamblers. They weren't paying the players. They would have paid the refs. You would have paid a long snapper. You're the one.

[Dale Hellestra]

That's what I said.

[John Holmberg]

You're the ones to pay.

[Dale Hellestra]

Come to me.

[John Holmberg]

Would you have thrown one for a billion? A million dollars? Would you. Would you have tossed one?

[Dale Hellestra]

I might skip a snap back there.

[John Holmberg]

If it was a meaningful game.

[Dale Hellestra]

No.

[John Holmberg]

2 million bucks. Oh, every man has his price. Here we go. $2 million.

[Dale Hellestra]

I would tell you. I would not say. Absolutely not.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my God.

[Dale Hellestra]

I would think about $2 million. I'm making $450,000 a year. That's. That's five years of salary.

[John Holmberg]

That's a good point.

[Dale Hellestra]

And no taxes.

[John Holmberg]

Those. Those are the players you go after. You don't go after the big names. You can't even go after an offensive lineman to let one through because you can still. But a long sn. Those are points. Well, I.

[Dave Nash]

Because you. I know you're arguing about. It's a team game, but it is an ultimate team. You got so many guys out there. I don't think one guy is going to make a difference.

[John Holmberg]

Although long snapper would.

[Dave Nash]

Long snapper is kind of quarterback would.

[John Holmberg]

Be too hard because they already make so much money. You'd have to pay them 2,300 million dollars to throw a game. They're not going to do it. No. And if they ever get caught, they'll lose everything.

[Dave Nash]

Right, Right.

[John Holmberg]

Long snapper gets caught. You're just in ESPN special. Big deal, you guys.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'll get paid for that.

[John Holmberg]

Exactly. You have great lives. Anyway, you'd be like Brian Bosw.

[Dave Nash]

He might want to. Might have pick a long snapper at the end of his career.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Now, let's talk gambling, because, Nash, you are a. You're an expert gambler, unfortunately, and you've got a lot.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, he loves to gamble. Yeah. He's not an expert.

[Dave Nash]

Okay, well, put it this way. I. When. When this things came out, when did these online put on your three, four. Right.

[John Holmberg]

For us, at least. Yeah. Three, three, four years ago.

[Dave Nash]

Well, so I put in, like, seven grand into a couple different accounts, and I probably still have about that. And I'm gambling every week.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

So honestly, my background, a little bit. My father was a bookie.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, I didn't know that.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. Father was a bookie. The first thing I ever did with him, he gave me. Remember those football parley cards?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. You have to play the minimum of four teams.

[John Holmberg]

Wait, this is your first memory as a child? Yeah. That's awful.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, welcome to my world.

[Dale Hellestra]

It explains a lot.

[John Holmberg]

That explains everything. My first memory is a parlay card.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. It's like, here, kid, go play some of these.

[John Holmberg]

Wow.

[Dave Nash]

And so. So I. I've been gambling my whole life, and I realized, because, you know, he's booking the whole time. You. You don't win money gambling. You just don't because there's too much juice involved.

[John Holmberg]

Consistently gambling.

[Dave Nash]

Correct. I mean, listen, maybe professional, better gamblers who. Who are looking at statistical information, and they're just looking at odds, and they're saying, okay, the odds make this more. Because it's like counting cards in 21. Listen, if you're not counting cards, you can't consistently win. No doing any of that.

[John Holmberg]

And you have to play like if you're going to gamble like, they do that. There's a reason why Las Vegas had an $8 billion tariff basically put on them when they built the Aria because of all the trouble with the housing and everything else. And they're like, yeah, keep building it. Any other thing that says we had a $2 billion budget that ballooned to 8 billion, and they still said, thumbs up, let's do it. And they're thriving.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

They win more than they lose.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So the Fanduels and all this other stuff that comes up, they're going to win more than they lose.

[Dave Nash]

Totally.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm guilty of building lottery tickets out of games to try to get like a $25,000 payoff on a $100 bet. And I've come close a couple of times. I've hit 14 as my biggest one. I hit 14 grand on a probably a 16 part pod. You hit it, I hit it.

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[Dave Nash]

You up or down Now?

[Dale Hellestra]

How many have you done?

[John Holmberg]

But if you, if you win 14 grand on a hundred dollar bet, you just got your.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, I understand that, but I also don't want you to be Phil Mickels and say, hey, I want to. I want a million dollars on this bet. Well, how many times have you bet?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I didn't go that high. Yeah, no, no, it balanced me out over time, but I mean, at the time. So I've had a few. 10, 12, 14. But I, it takes some to get there. But preseason, you should not gamble. Let's just put that out there.

[Dave Nash]

But I'll. I want to go back, finish the point. I've been gambling long enough to realize it's not. You're not, you're not going to make money gambling. No, it's entertainment.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Dave Nash]

And for me, because I think, you know, I'm smarter than I am.

[John Holmberg]

Yes, we all think that.

[Dave Nash]

Right, exactly.

[John Holmberg]

Especially about you.

[Dave Nash]

About me.

[Dale Hellestra]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

And I, and I realize it. I think I'm smarter than I am. That really gambling is just a way to prove to myself that I, that I know as much as I think I know.

[John Holmberg]

Geez, that doesn't make any Sense.

[Dave Nash]

Really? No, not at all. Really.

[John Holmberg]

That's what a guy who thinks he's smarter than he is would say about being smart. That's. That's how a guy who's not very smart justifies how he says, I'm smart, but I don't like to admit him.

[Dave Nash]

No, I'm not very smart, but I think I'm smart. And I'm going to say, hey, if I can get through the year and not lose any money and be gambling 5,000 bucks a game.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Hey, if it says I think I'm smart, if any way to back that up is just listen to that last two minutes again and go. And then say, I think I'm smart and I'm going to be like, that's enough of that.

[Dave Nash]

You're welcome.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but gambling on preseason, there's just no point to it other than.

[Dave Nash]

Other than boy. Yeah. I don't understand why. Listen, I said it. I was. I was said. I'm going to bet. I'm gonna bet the Ravens last night against the Cowboys. That's. That's easy money. I forgot to bet. It's a no brainer.

[Dale Hellestra]

The. The. The surest bet in any sports or card game is the Ravens win and break preseason games.

[John Holmberg]

They don't lose and I don't know why, especially they.

[Dave Nash]

I think they were getting a point. So all they had to do is win. And you're pretty sure they're gonna win.

[John Holmberg]

The spread of a preseason game, that.

[Dave Nash]

Means it was one or one and a half. One or one year. One and a half.

[John Holmberg]

One way or another on a preseason.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I know that's. Believe me. And the fact I didn't. I forgot to put my money down on it.

[John Holmberg]

Forgot.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You just should ignore it.

[Dave Nash]

Busy man. I was watching old film with Dale.

[John Holmberg]

No. Nobody even knows if or who is gonna play.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, but Baltimore wins.

[John Holmberg]

They win every time. I don't know what it is either.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, you could literally go over the years since Harbaugh's been there and they win.

[John Holmberg]

Like is that 90% depth thing.

[Dale Hellestra]

No, I think it's a. They actually.

[John Holmberg]

They try and care.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I believe wholeheartedly, sports wise and the teams I've played and Steve. And you can look at it with the Cardinals. Winning is a habit. It's a habit. And John Harbaugh, I think is a great coach and I think he's trying to make that winning. He's trying to create a habit amongst his team.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's. Unfortunately for you, it's nauseating.

[Dave Nash]

And the way it Goes.

[John Holmberg]

There's nothing better in my life than when the Raiders Ravens lose. That's the best drug I can take. Take your fentanyl, your heroin and all your stuff.

[Dale Hellestra]

I'll put it up against.

[Dave Nash]

If Tomlin cared enough and try to get a winning, winning mindset with the Steelers, they might have a better chance.

[John Holmberg]

Sort of a habit of winning. It just ends in the playoffs. Usually we. That's enough of you, Nash.

[Dave Nash]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

On that topic. No, I just. The preseason. Like gambling. You're right. There's one sure bet and it's the Ravens.

[Dale Hellestra]

They're going to win everything else.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

If you're betting preseason Bengals, Seahawks.

[John Holmberg]

What are you doing?

[Dale Hellestra]

You're a gambler. Seriously?

[John Holmberg]

You got a problem?

[Dale Hellestra]

No, you got a problem.

[John Holmberg]

A huge problem. They have numbers for that. Now saying that said, here we are a week and a half ahead of the season. Basically it starts on the. Not next Thursday. Thursday. After we get very excited about this for our first show and before we hand it over to Dave for insanity talk, let's get our picks for MVP that you would place right now because the odds are the highest they're going to be right now. Well, I, I don't want. I'm going to take three away.

[Dale Hellestra]

Okay, well, you can't take three away.

[John Holmberg]

I want. It's the preseason show. It is too.

[Dale Hellestra]

All right, I'll go.

[John Holmberg]

No. Burrow. Jackson. Allen out.

[Dale Hellestra]

Burrow. Burrow.

[John Holmberg]

Jackson and Allen cannot be your bet. Who do you bet for mvp?

[Dale Hellestra]

Feet.

[Dave Nash]

I would go with a long shot. I would take Jordan Love.

[John Holmberg]

Jordan Love of the packers probably pays about plus 8,000.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. And the reason is I think the Lions are going to. You know, they had such a good year last year. They. They outscored everyone. They had the biggest, highest margin, outscoring their opponent by far. Fifteen and two, whatever the record was. And they're going to come back to the field a little bit, I think, especially after losing their offense and defensive coordinator.

[John Holmberg]

Packers leap, Lions fall back.

[Dave Nash]

Minnesota with new quarterback J.J. mcCarthy. He might be world beater, but you know what you've got over there in Green Bay is you've got Jordan Love, who's been there a couple of years now. I think he's. He's starting to even settle in more as one of the better quarterbacks. They have a good, solid team both offensively and defensively. That might be. And if they step up and kind of steal that division and then the only team they really have to beat in the playoffs is going to be maybe the Eagles. And if they get there all of a sudden. Who's going to get the credit? Jordan Love.

[John Holmberg]

Jordan Love. Okay. I'll give you that.

[Dale Hellestra]

Okay. So I just pulled up the draft king odds.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestra]

And for Jordan Love, it's plus 2,500.

[John Holmberg]

That's not bad. That's bad. I figured it'd be higher than that. Plus 2,500. Favorite is obviously Alan Jackson.

[Dale Hellestra]

So they got. The top four are. Jackson, Allen, Burrow. Mahomes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dale Hellestra]

And. And the next name on the list.

[John Holmberg]

And I gave you Mahomes. You guys could have taken that one.

[Dale Hellestra]

The. The next two names on. On the list are where I would be looking very hard at Jaden Daniels. And Jalen Hurts.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

I think Chad Daniels is going to get hurts.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Well, he's about those stick legs.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

They're mo. And with no Terry. Terry McCall and what's his name? McCauley McCall. I'm screwing up his name. He is not. They're. They're. They're not in good shape without that one.

[Dave Nash]

No. And. And, and he runs the ball a lot.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And, you know, and I don't want.

[John Holmberg]

Jalen hurts. And there's a reason why when they win, he doesn't throw. So numbers are how you get mvp. He could. He could still be great, but he's never going to put up Lamar Jackson's 40 and 4 of touchdowns to pitch because he's never going to throw it that often. So my pick. Pick Dale. I'll wait for you. You go first.

[Dale Hellestra]

All right. So just so you know, the next couple names, Justin Herbert, C.J. stroud, Baker Mayfield.

[John Holmberg]

They're just grabbing at quarterbacks.

[Dave Nash]

That's who we got.

[Dale Hellestra]

You gotta be quarterback. No.

[John Holmberg]

Win the mvp. That's my pick.

[Dale Hellestra]

They won't give their running back.

[John Holmberg]

I guarantee you, if he does it.

[Dale Hellestra]

Again to anybody but a quarterback, if.

[John Holmberg]

He does it again, what he did last year, health will be the big thing. But if he does it again, it's going to be a massive.

[Dale Hellestra]

What about Aaron Rodgers? Plus 5,000?

[John Holmberg]

I would love to see Aaron. He's going to. I think he wins comeback player of the year. I think Aaron. I think that with what he's got for a defense, what they're going to try to do on offense, I think Aaron Rodgers, if he stays healthy, obviously that's true of all of it.

[Dave Nash]

Here's my gambling rule. If everyone is talking about it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

It's not going to happen.

[John Holmberg]

Probably true.

[Dave Nash]

And nobody. I mean, Aaron Rodgers. Mom isn't even talking about Aaron Rodgers.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I think they're going to be fine. Steelers will be fine. They're better, they're in a better place than they name me.

[Dave Nash]

How many people have said, oh, the Steelers are going to be, I mean, look out for the Steelers with Aaron Rodgers?

[John Holmberg]

Nobody.

[Dave Nash]

No, Nobody.

[John Holmberg]

So excited. Even Steeler fans want Will Howard, a sixth round pick from Ohio State to get in there. And I'm like, calm down, everybody calm down. Yeah, it's Pittsburgh. They love white guys from Ohio. That's just basically the facts. And they, they can infiltrate someone from Ohio and get them in the black and gold. They're fine. Will Howard is fine. He's not going to start any games.

[Dale Hellestra]

As far as mvp, Derek Henry is a top rated running back and there's.

[John Holmberg]

A, that would be my second choice. If I'm going to go away from.

[Dale Hellestra]

Quarterback at +6,000 Saquon Barclays, it's + $6,000.

[John Holmberg]

You win six grand, you can put it out right now. Saquon Barkley is going to, he's going to be a, he's going to be a touchdown machine because they're going to start, they're going to start that, that the, the, the, the, the brotherly shove. It's going to turn more into just Saquon running it up the back end of that line because there's.

[Dale Hellestra]

How about Kyler Murray?

[Dave Nash]

No, I tell you what, I think.

[Dale Hellestra]

The Cardinals are going to be, have a good year.

[John Holmberg]

I think they're going to win the division and I think it's, I do. I, they, they're, they're the best coached team in that, in the nfc.

[Dave Nash]

Can you pass that Kool Aid over here to us?

[John Holmberg]

That's a fact.

[Dave Nash]

That is.

[John Holmberg]

They were thirsty, super competitive last year.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, as a matter of fact.

[John Holmberg]

With no talent.

[Dave Nash]

No, I agree with that.

[John Holmberg]

They went out and got. You look at their football, their off season free agent moves and it was the draft. It was in their draft. It was one of the, although the guys heard already one of the smartest off seasons a team can have because there was zero splash but it was all plug and play necessities.

[Dave Nash]

What did I just say? How many, how many, how many people have you, have you heard say the Cardinals look out?

[John Holmberg]

I'm not saying they're going to win the Super Bowl. I'm saying they're going to win their division.

[Dave Nash]

All these so called experts. Nobody's saying the Cardinals. So I will give you credit. Thank you. If they're not saying it, well, you're on, you're, you're on to something. It's recorded as you're on to something.

[John Holmberg]

So you still haven't picked anybody.

[Dale Hellestra]

I have not picked anybody, but I'm, I'm gonna go with the quarterback. I mean, I could tell you I would, I would like something else to happen, I think, man.

[Dave Nash]

Hey, if you really want to go, I'll, I'll help.

[John Holmberg]

Can I help him make to me.

[Dale Hellestra]

It'S either Mahomes or Josh Allen.

[John Holmberg]

But you're gonna go. That's. Yeah. Mahomes is not an MVP guy because they put up pedestrian numbers and win as a. That's the ultimate team to the things he does aren't necessarily 340 a game because they don't need him to.

[Dave Nash]

He used to have that when he had Tyreek Hill.

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And they just, it was like a, it was like people don't give the.

[John Holmberg]

Chiefs defense enough credit for what they do and the offense just has to be okay. And the last couple years, midway through the season, there isn't a single person that's been on the Chiefs bandwagon. Oh, they're done. This is over. They do that to every dynasty. And it's like they weren't winning impressively last year year till December and then it was like, just get through this part, you know, and then they end up doing what they did.

[Dave Nash]

I gave you Jordan Love, but I want to give you another one. Bo Nix.

[John Holmberg]

It would be a huge surprise, but I could see him popping.

[Dave Nash]

And the reason is again that they might that Denver Broncos might have the most talent on both sides of the ball. So they have a good defense. It's going to take a lot of pressure off him. He's going to have a year of experience. He has played a whole year under one of the best coaches in football. And, and you got to imagine they're going to make the playoffs. So they're going to have a good year. I think they're going to be better than they were last year. So who's going to get the credit?

[John Holmberg]

That's what Tomlin always says. One trip around the track changes everything the next season. You've already had one lap. So now you now you know what to expect. You've got. Usually the game plan is in your head. The playbook is there unless they're switching coaches all the time.

[Dave Nash]

But if you said, you know, you like the Cardinals and if the Cardinals, they win the division, they're getting in the playoffs and they have a surprisingly good year. Kyler Murray will be in the discussion if he has a good year.

[Dale Hellestra]

But I Would tell you, you asked for my pick.

[John Holmberg]

My pick an hour ago.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, you guys keep yapping cover.

[John Holmberg]

We're filling time for your thinking.

[Dale Hellestra]

I am going to go with Kyler Murray for exactly that reason because I think they're going to be better than people expect. He did get my clue and somebody is going to give him credit.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. I think Kyler has been grossly mismanaged up until last couple years. He's got to stay healthy. Huge.

[Dave Nash]

I will call. He's also mismanaged himself. And I'm going to give you.

[John Holmberg]

Completely agree.

[Dave Nash]

I'm going to give you.

[John Holmberg]

But that's management, too, to turn and go, hey, you're not 12 anymore.

[Dave Nash]

Well, because he's seen. He saw sarcasm. He sawed the success Jaden Daniels had in Washington. Kyler Murray's coming up as a black quarterback. A short. Yeah, a short black quarterback. And throughout his career. I mean, his life. Forget about his career. I mean high school, college. He had to fight the fact that they said, hey, you should be a running quarterback. He didn't want to be running. He wants to be a pocket quarterback. He wants to earn his living by throwing the ball. And when he came in here, Cliff Kingsbury wanted him to run a little bit more and kind of put that pressure on the defense. And Kyler was against that. He's like, hey, I'm a pocket quarterback. I make a living by my arm. He saw what Kingsbury did with Daniels in Washington and said, you know, all right, I'm a pocket. I think he's thinking, I'm a pocket quarterback. But if I also put more pressure on the defense and run well, I'm going to make this offense better. I'm going to. And I'm going to be better. And I think he's starting to get.

[John Holmberg]

That, is that Daniels was a better decision maker early on. And Kingsbury basically said, you're an athlete who can throw if the first option's not their takeoff. And that's kind of where they basically made Kyler become that guy that defaults to athlete rather than quarterback. And Jaden Daniel, and that's mental. Jaden Daniels defaults to quarterback when there's trouble and Kyler defaults to running.

[Dave Nash]

I'm pretty sure Kingsbury wanted to put in plays to have Kyler run, and I think Kyler fought that immensely. And. And Kingsbury put in place for Daniels to run. And I think. I think Kyler's kind of waking up to that.

[Dale Hellestra]

Well, the other thing you also have to realize is that whether you're Jaden Daniels. Whether you call her Murray in college, you can outrun defensive ends.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I can't do it.

[Dale Hellestra]

You can outrun linebackers.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestra]

Here. You know, it's gotta. You gotta pick and choose your spot.

[Dave Nash]

Well, he's still very.

[John Holmberg]

Look what I'm doing.

[Dave Nash]

He ran.

[John Holmberg]

Keep going.

[Dale Hellestra]

You're good.

[John Holmberg]

Go ahead.

[Dave Nash]

He ran enough. Dan has ran enough that he ran as much as almost any quarterback. And it was very successful in moving the chains and. And helping them.

[John Holmberg]

Did Dale ever pick a guy? Mahomes. It took you that long to pick Patrick Mahomes? Okay. Jesus.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. He's on your Kool Aid. Is that. Is there LSD in that Kool Aid you guys drinking?

[John Holmberg]

I'm. That's what made this so worthwhile to me, this sports thing. Now I'm pretending. Hold on. Yeah. I picked Saquon Barkley.

[Dale Hellestra]

Okay. Stupid.

[Dave Nash]

I get some money against that.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. I hold that money against all of them. I took. I took. Took the three that are going to win it away. I'm. I'm playing this as if to say this sports thing is over. Episode one. Not bad. Not bad. Kickoff.

[Dale Hellestra]

Hold on.

[John Holmberg]

We're not. We're not done yet. This is when you and I are checking out though. Dale. We're done here for the. This is the epilogue. This is the thing that happens at the end when we all sit back and say.

[Dave Nash]

All right.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm going to give you the topic that you started down the hall before this whole thing got going. Okay. For Dale Hellestra, My name's John Holmberg. The man you're about to hear from is Dave Nash. This is the sports thing. Taylor Swift is a Satanist. Dave Nash. Take it away.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, he. She is definitely a Satanist. Go to her. There's a cube. The black major cube in her. In her.

[John Holmberg]

What is that?

[Dave Nash]

It's a sign of Satanism.

[John Holmberg]

A cube of black cubicles can't just be 90s art.

[Dave Nash]

I don't. Listen. I don't follow. Her concerts. I don't know. But she is part of the globalist system that is trying to form a one world government and take away our freedoms. She's part of it. Along with that SOB from Kansas City. Kelsey.

[John Holmberg]

Travis. Kelsey.

[Dave Nash]

Hey. Come on. He's doing the vaccine. Give me two shots instead of one. He got paid by the globalist criminals that are trying to kill all of you out there.

[John Holmberg]

So you think that Taylor Swift with her.

[Dave Nash]

That is a manual.

[John Holmberg]

40 million plus followers.

[Dale Hellestra]

She wants to get rid of them.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. She wants to kill everything that's ever made her successful. For what reason?

[Dave Nash]

She's getting paid by the globalist criminals.

[John Holmberg]

All of her fans.

[Dave Nash]

That's the agenda. That's the agenda, buddy.

[Dale Hellestra]

That is amazing.

[John Holmberg]

That's the agenda. That doesn't make sense.

[Dave Nash]

The globalists, the people that run the world that have all the money, they want a lot less people.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah, a lot less. I've seen that the statue went at that point.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, yeah. That's the guide stones of Atlanta.

[John Holmberg]

That's right.

[Dave Nash]

You'd want. I think it says on there a half a billion.

[John Holmberg]

I think it's even less than that.

[Dave Nash]

Well, no, half a billion. It should be maybe a billion. Right now we have about6.6 billion in the world. That's a lot of people that gotta go.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yeah, well, yeah, but Bill, a lot.

[Dave Nash]

Of people have gotta go.

[Dale Hellestra]

Bill Gates doesn't need fans. Taylor Swift needs fans.

[Dave Nash]

Not if you have all the money in the world. You don't care. She's not. It doesn't matter.

[John Holmberg]

But when does it happen? I'll give you that. You might.

[Dave Nash]

It's been happening with this vaccine.

[John Holmberg]

When does this group reveal themselves to Taylor Swift, like, she's one of us, and when. How come. This is my. Okay, I gotta ask this question. How come it always works? How come it's never like, let's say John Holmberg goes crazy and starts making millions and millions of dollars. I'm up in the billion range. I've got 70 million followers on Instagram. I'm pretty in. Who comes to me and goes, we got an idea for you. And if I'm against it, don't I go, oh, my God, these Jack Tom Hanks. And Oprah just came to my house and asked me to kill all my fans.

[Dave Nash]

That's correct.

[John Holmberg]

Why doesn't that ever happen?

[Dave Nash]

Oprah, Hanks, they're all in it.

[John Holmberg]

But why doesn't it ever happen? How come all these celebrities are always like gung ho to.

[Dave Nash]

Because if you're not part of their clan. Yeah, you ain't. You ain't getting that 70 million. They'll.

[John Holmberg]

They've got billions.

[Dave Nash]

I know. You've gotta be part of their pro of their agenda for you to get rewarded. And I'll go over.

[John Holmberg]

But if you don't want to be part of it, they're all the same. They're like, yeah, you know what, Dale? I know you made a lot of money. I know your family is involved in it. But this is too good. You gotta just quietly get. The conspiracy's too big to not have one Leak.

[Dale Hellestra]

That's exactly what I said.

[Dave Nash]

It leaks all the time. No one's listening.

[John Holmberg]

I just said it.

[Dave Nash]

I'm telling you, this is leaked. It's already. They already know. They don't want us alive. You know they don't want us alive.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know that. I don't think they're that good at their jobs to organize this or we. Why is the population growing at such a crazy rate? That's what's insane in the United States.

[Dave Nash]

It's not anymore. That's why they're getting desperate. They want to kill us all.

[John Holmberg]

When did it start?

[Dave Nash]

It's been going on for all of our lifetime.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. And when I started this life in 1972, there were 2 billion people on the planet.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

This is a drastic failure.

[Dave Nash]

I know. That's why they're putting it in overdrive with these vaccines.

[John Holmberg]

And Taylor Swift.

[Dale Hellestra]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And they talked her into like look.

[Dave Nash]

And that Lady Gaga. She's part of. Of it too.

[John Holmberg]

Really? And it's all because you saw Black Cube at her house.

[Dave Nash]

Well, listen, if you want. Next show. If you want me to bring. I don't. I don't.

[John Holmberg]

You said in the hallway Taylor Swift. Because we were talking about the Kelsey, Kelsey and. And Swift Satanists.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And that has something to do with that. Satan wants less people.

[Dave Nash]

Well, yes. I don't know. I don't know if Satan wants. What Satan wants.

[John Holmberg]

Is it.

[Dave Nash]

It's. It's one in the same. It is one.

[John Holmberg]

And the Satan wants a global economy.

[Dave Nash]

Because then did he go to like you take away the freedoms and the humanity from the rest of. Of us regular normal people and they take that away for that? Well, they need. They need influencers.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

And she's an influencer for sure. Kelsey's an influencer now they're doing podcasts. It's not going to be as good as the. What's it. What's your thing?

[John Holmberg]

This thing.

[Dave Nash]

Whatever.

[John Holmberg]

All right. Well that's.

[Dale Hellestra]

But I tell you what.

[John Holmberg]

Oh man.

[Dale Hellestra]

If we could get Taylor Swift on this podcast in a second.

[John Holmberg]

Give me that global Satanist in this room all day long for just a great kickoff. The money we'd get. And guess what? Dale would throw an NFL playoff game for a million dollars. Imagine what I do for. Okay. Too.

[Dale Hellestra]

You're right.

[Dave Nash]

For.

[John Holmberg]

For 20 million to join the Satanist globalist union. That. I don't even know if I have any.

[Dave Nash]

I don't.

[Dale Hellestra]

And you would love.

[Dave Nash]

I don't know what the secret Satan handshake is, but if you had that. And you get her, you'd get her in here.

[John Holmberg]

It's not a big deal if during this entire, you know, whatever this is ends up and you guys start noticing that I've got a Maybach and I'm dressing a little better and things are really good, you're like, oh, he's got the. He's in. Just know I'm not above it. Anyone out there who hears this podcast is like, oh, we need new recruits. Got a pretty popular radio show in Phoenix. We can start local. We'll work bigger. And I will be happy to spread the agenda idea of killing off most of the people who listen to my show.

[Dave Nash]

George Soros, Bill Gates. If you're listening out there, John's for sale.

[John Holmberg]

I am forced. You're not?

[Dave Nash]

No.

[John Holmberg]

You wouldn't take 20 something million dollars just to, like, say, the vaccine's not that bad.

[Dave Nash]

That's a good way to say it. That's fantastic.

[John Holmberg]

You'd sell out a hard in a second.

[Dave Nash]

All right, well, give me a try.

[John Holmberg]

All right, give me a try. You know what? Let's see, let's see, let's see.

[Dave Nash]

Give me a try.

[John Holmberg]

Now I'm going to officially end this nonsense. All right, that's enough of this. This sports thing thing is officially over. There's Dale Hellas Dre, former world. Well, I guess always a world champion. Dave Nash. You'll get more of that later. My name's John Holmberg. This is over. Thank you for being part of the very first one of what could be the greatest podcast of all time.

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[Dave Nash]

Whatever they get into.

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