For years, Catholics and Protestants have argued about how Christians should approach Mary, the Mother of Christ. A saint to be prayed to? An icon to be worshipped? Or a disciple to emulate? Join Rebecca Carrell and Liz Rodriguez as they welcome Dr. Kelley Mathews to discuss the historical Mary and why we should dust her off and examine her role outside of the nativity scene.

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