Friendship Breakups, Recession Bush & Cowboy Romance

Summary

House of Maher - Episode Summary: "Friendship Breakups, Recession Bush & Cowboy Romance"

Episode Information:

• Title: Friendship Breakups, Recession Bush & Cowboy Romance
• Host/Author: Wave Originals
• Release Date: June 17, 2025
• Podcast Description: Olympic rugby player Ilona Maher converses with her sisters, Olivia Maher and human rights advocate Adrianna “Dre Baby” Maher, delving into diverse topics from personal relationships to societal trends.

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1. Abercrombie Summer Fashion Kickoff (00:00 - 01:06)

The episode begins with a lighthearted discussion about the latest summer collection from Abercrombie & Fitch. Olivia and Adrianna enthusiastically share their favorite pieces, highlighting the A&F Marina one-piece swimsuit.

Olivia Mar (00:12): "I desperately need their new one piece, the A and F Marina. And paired with denim shorts will be my go-to beach outfit this summer."

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2. The Great Walk and Smash Burgers Debate (02:00 - 05:03)

Transitioning from fashion, the sisters recount a humorous anecdote about walking an excessive distance for cupcakes, ultimately debating the merits of walking for indulgent treats versus seeking convenience. This segues into Ilona’s passionate defense of her favorite smash burger.

Ilona Mar (05:03): "And I just had a really good smash burger. That Smashburger almost made me see God."

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3. Recession Bushes: Societal Views on Body Hair (07:25 - 10:23)

One of the central topics of this episode is the resurgence of "recession bushes"—the natural body hair of women. The sisters engage in a candid conversation about societal expectations, feminism, and personal preferences regarding body hair.

Olivia Mar (09:06): "Women have hair. That's what women look like. And so, you know, I'd always be a woman."

Adrianna “Dre Baby” Mar (03:08): "I don't know if selling your bath water and soap is particularly pushing feminism forward. My biggest question is, what does the FTC and the FDA have to say about this?"

They discuss the implications of body hair in professional and personal settings, the impact of societal standards, and the balance between personal choice and public perception.

Ilona Mar (09:02): "It's so natural and normal and yet viewed as disgusting or not uncleanly to have a bush."

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4. Friendship Dynamics and Breakups (38:43 - 58:49)

A significant portion of the episode delves into the complexities of female friendships, especially as life circumstances change. The sisters share personal stories about maintaining close bonds despite geographical distances, career shifts, and evolving personal lives.

Olivia Mar (38:54): "We just have each other. And I had them during my breakup and after that I had a summer full of them. And it was so important to have those people physically with me to keep me laughing and giggling."

Ilona Mar (42:14): "She really has been such a light in my life and to finally have somebody I can call my own, like, I call her my soulmate."

They discuss the emotional impact of friendship breakups, the process of growing apart, and the importance of communication in sustaining meaningful relationships.

Nicole Averlin (55:08): "I've had one friendship breakup that really wrecked me and it felt like you were kind of like, like losing a part of yourself."

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5. Cowboy Romance: Book Recommendations (28:20 - 34:45)

Shifting gears, the sisters enter a book segment where they recommend and discuss their favorite romance novels, focusing on cowboy and rancher themes. Ilona highlights "A Lucky River Ranch" by Jessica Peterson, praising its well-developed characters and engaging plot.

Ilona Mar (33:08): "It was really fun. And then it was definitely, like, pretty well written. I mean, you kind of knew what was happening, what was gonna happen, you know?"

Olivia shares her excitement about merging classic romance tropes with modern storytelling, while Nicole adds her own recommendations, fostering a vibrant discussion about the genre’s appeal.

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6. Perfect 10: Best Friend Edition Game (60:17 - 67:37)

Adding an interactive and entertaining layer, the hosts introduce the "Perfect 10" game, focusing on best friend dynamics. They humorously rate different friendship scenarios, such as chronic lateness and possessiveness, sharing laughs and relatable experiences.

Olivia Mar (61:28): "Perfect 10 best friend. But they get jealous when you have other close friends."

This segment not only entertains listeners but also sheds light on the nuanced challenges within friendships.

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7. Wind Down: Emotional Reflections and Toasts (58:49 - 68:18)

Concluding the episode, the sisters engage in heartfelt reflections about their friendships, the importance of having supportive and understanding friends, and the bittersweet nature of growing apart. Their sincere conversations are punctuated by light-hearted moments and toasts, emphasizing the deep bond they share.

Ilona Mar (67:38): "She is my teammate on the USA rugby team. I have like long time friends from like, you know, back in the day, but never somebody that I got to choose myself."

Nicole Averlin (67:56): "We need to go into a new segment. The wind down. We need actually some wine for this."

Their emotional honesty offers listeners a genuine glimpse into the joys and pains of maintaining lifelong friendships.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ilona Mar (05:03): "That Smashburger almost made me see God."
• Olivia Mar (09:06): "Women have hair. That's what women look like."
• Ilona Mar (09:02): "It's so natural and normal and yet viewed as disgusting or not uncleanly to have a bush."
• Olivia Mar (38:54): "It was so important to have those people physically with me to keep me laughing and giggling."
• Nicole Averlin (55:08): "It felt like you were kind of like, like losing a part of yourself."
• Ilona Mar (33:08): "You kind of knew what was happening, what was gonna happen."

Conclusion:

In this episode of House of Maher, the sisters navigate a diverse array of topics with humor, honesty, and heartfelt emotion. From societal discussions about body hair to the intricate dynamics of female friendships and the joys of romance novels, they offer listeners a rich and engaging conversation. Whether you're tuning in for insightful debates or relatable personal stories, this episode provides a comprehensive and entertaining experience that resonates with a broad audience.

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Transcript

[Olivia Mar]

In case you haven't heard, it's officially in Abercrombie summer. The A and M vacation shop has.

[Adrianna Mar]

Everything on your packing mood board.

[Olivia Mar]

I desperately need their new one piece, the A and F Marina.

[Adrianna Mar]

It's strapless, so flattering.

[Olivia Mar]

And paired with denim shorts will be my go to beach outfit this summer. Finally.

[Adrianna Mar]

Your suitcase isn't complete without finding that dress.

[Olivia Mar]

You know, the one for the photo shoot.

[Adrianna Mar]

Abercrombie's boho dresses have that perfect beachy, romantic look.

[Olivia Mar]

Make it an Abercrombie summer shot.

[Adrianna Mar]

Their newest arrivals in store, online and in the app.

[Ilona Mar]

Geez, you walked 13 miles out of bakery, girl?

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah. Cuz all of a sudden, like, we'd already done, like, 10 miles, and she's like, we have to get this cupcake that was three miles away.

[Ilona Mar]

Olivia, what you walking 13 miles for? I know.

[Nicole Averlin]

What?

[Ilona Mar]

Smash burgers. What am I walking for?

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, what are you walking 13 miles for? Tell us.

[Ilona Mar]

Welcome back to House of Mar. A Wave original. We have a few house rules for.

[Olivia Mar]

You girls are magic.

[Nicole Averlin]

Reading is hot, and so are you.

[Ilona Mar]

Make sure to check us out on YouTube, like, and subscribe if you are listening. How are you? I am one of your hosts, Ilona Mar.

[Olivia Mar]

And I'm another one of your hosts, Olivia Mar.

[Nicole Averlin]

And I'm the other host, Adrianna Mar.

[Ilona Mar]

Coming up on today's episode of House of Mahr. We are talking recession, bush birds, and best friends. We're also diving into a few perfect tens. So stay tuned.

[Olivia Mar]

Let's get right into things. Let's touch some grass. And I think there's some people out there that should really go find some earth to touch, because Sydney Sweeney, bless her heart, is selling her bath water in bars of soap. Have you seen this?

[Ilona Mar]

Selling your bathwater in bars of.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, there's, like, drops of her bath water, I'm pretty sure, into a product of a brand that she's been working with.

[Nicole Averlin]

And how are they proving that?

[Olivia Mar]

Right?

[Nicole Averlin]

Keep going.

[Olivia Mar]

Right, but here's my thing. I'm not judging Sydney, right? I'm judging people that are maybe gonna buy it because, like, that's genius.

[Ilona Mar]

That's.

[Olivia Mar]

That's, like, good on her.

[Ilona Mar]

How much is she selling these bars for? Do we know?

[Olivia Mar]

They are $8 a pop for these bars of soap. And because I now know, like, what happens behind the scenes of, like, a marketing campaign like this or how things get made. Did she get in a tub, like, fully clothed? How are we proving this?

[Ilona Mar]

Like, how.

[Olivia Mar]

How do we know that her bath water is in there?

[Ilona Mar]

So she's doing this with, like, a soap brand, right? Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

She's been working with. Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

And you can buy this for eight bucks. They've put a few drops in.

[Olivia Mar]

Mm.

[Ilona Mar]

Okay.

[Olivia Mar]

So my question is, would you ever do this? Alona?

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

No, you're not doing it.

[Olivia Mar]

That was a quick answer.

[Ilona Mar]

You wouldn't let me do it.

[Nicole Averlin]

No, you're not doing that.

[Ilona Mar]

Why not? Yeah, I think I saw somewhere where, like, people were, like, you know, feeling like it wasn't a very feminist move of her.

[Olivia Mar]

Interesting. But is feminism not also letting women do exactly what they want and profiting.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah, and she's profiting and supporting them.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh. And yeah, profiting off of men. Is that not a key feminist idea?

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah, I'm gonna go with no.

[Nicole Averlin]

I don't know if selling your bath water and soap is particularly pushing feminism forward. My biggest question is, what does the FTC and the FDA have to say about this? Because is it even sanitary to include this bath water?

[Olivia Mar]

I mean, it's a few drops.

[Nicole Averlin]

How can you prove that? Are they proving that she's in it, or is it, like, false advertising?

[Olivia Mar]

I'm all about a woman making a buck.

[Ilona Mar]

I bet they could just say it's Sydney Sweeney's bathwater if she just dips a finger in.

[Nicole Averlin]

Oh.

[Ilona Mar]

You know, so. Right. Like, legally, all sorts of little things. I bet it's just something, like, for it to legally be your bathwater, you have to have submerged this percentage of your body.

[Olivia Mar]

Yes. Some lawyer somewhere is like, what the hell is my job now? Right?

[Ilona Mar]

Huh? Well, I mean, there's always people in my DMs who are like, they want my undergarment. Dirty undergarments. They want. You know, they want sweat. They want sports bras. They want all sorts of weird stuff, and there is money to be made in it.

[Olivia Mar]

Right.

[Ilona Mar]

I don't. I don't judge. No, No, I don't judge. I think I judge a little bit.

[Olivia Mar]

I judge people buying it a little bit.

[Ilona Mar]

I judge people buying it heavy. Why are you into that?

[Olivia Mar]

The kink shamer, though?

[Ilona Mar]

Are you that. Does that make you a kink shamer for judging that? You know what?

[Nicole Averlin]

I think that this is an acceptable time to shame.

[Olivia Mar]

To shame. Remember that vine? You can't kink shame me. It's like, kink shaming is my kink. What do you do?

[Nicole Averlin]

You know, this kind of reminds me of those, like, loci bracelets where it was, like, the water from the lowest. The deep sea, and then it was, like, soil from Everest or something. And I'm like, Everyone would cut into the water side and they're like, I don't think there's any water in there. And I'm like, is this actually just really soap with no bath water? This is the new bracelet.

[Ilona Mar]

Interesting, Interesting.

[Olivia Mar]

The new Locai bracelet.

[Nicole Averlin]

Low Kai bracelet.

[Olivia Mar]

I mean, Sydney Sweeney girly, get your bag. And it gets men to take a shower.

[Ilona Mar]

Hey, we thought about that.

[Olivia Mar]

Huge. Thank you, Sydney. Hey, thank you, Sydney.

[Ilona Mar]

I will say the mind power of men to like, get this bar of soap and just be like, this is Sydney Sweeney. And like you, I have a pretty good imagination. But I wouldn't be able to imagine that.

[Olivia Mar]

No.

[Ilona Mar]

She also worked with some other brands too, where I think she in a way uses her the way that she's being sexualized so much to profit off her.

[Olivia Mar]

Absolutely.

[Ilona Mar]

We're going to sexualize her. She's like, okay, fine.

[Olivia Mar]

Might as well make a mine.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah, I just happen to be very hot.

[Nicole Averlin]

That's gonna be my body either way. So, Olivia, you could do it if.

[Ilona Mar]

You got your tits out more Again, it's common. I've already started. Boobs talk.

[Olivia Mar]

The drinking game starts again. Take a sip.

[Ilona Mar]

Everyone take a sip.

[Olivia Mar]

We said tits early. Too early on early. Touch grass. Oh, my gosh.

[Ilona Mar]

Olivia recently posted A video. And what comment did you get?

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah, sure.

[Olivia Mar]

So I was popping off in my content in Miami. We know this. Hopefully we saw it. I was feeling my. I was putting a little bit more out there than I normally do do.

[Nicole Averlin]

Like content and body.

[Olivia Mar]

Content and body. And I could. I think you could say there were. I was thirst trapping to. To a certain degree. Yes. No. Do you agree that person.

[Ilona Mar]

All the time.

[Olivia Mar]

You do it all the time. So it's just.

[Ilona Mar]

I thirst trapped by ladies. Yeah, right.

[Olivia Mar]

No, it's for the. It's for the women.

[Ilona Mar]

Absolutely right.

[Olivia Mar]

So I posted some fun videos, bathing suit content, whatever. This is what my body looks like. And I got. Well, one. I was confused. I even asked. We were at like that pool party and I was like, now if someone comments woof on a post, are they hyping you up or telling you look bad? Because to me, when someone goes woof, that's a bad thing.

[Nicole Averlin]

No, woof. Barking like they're barking like a good thing. Yeah, good thing.

[Olivia Mar]

We're barking now.

[Ilona Mar]

Hyping up for sure. But tell me, like, does that not make sense?

[Olivia Mar]

Woof. Like a woof.

[Ilona Mar]

Like, I think you just use it in that way.

[Olivia Mar]

Interesting. Okay, that was good to know because I was like, hey, that's pretty rude. I Look pretty good in this.

[Ilona Mar]

Why would they think. Why would you think they're. You looks fine.

[Olivia Mar]

I was just like a hater on the Internet telling me I looked bad in my comments, which I didn't believe them, so I was confused. Well, I got another DM off of something. It was a dm. I don't even think it was off of one of my posts. It was just like a cold dm. It just said, you should do porn.

[Nicole Averlin]

I was like, wow.

[Ilona Mar]

Sir, sorry to say it again.

[Nicole Averlin]

Sorry.

[Ilona Mar]

She has big tits.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, Sorry. So I can't have big boobs without being sexualized. Let's touch some grass.

[Ilona Mar]

Touch some grass.

[Olivia Mar]

Absolutely.

[Ilona Mar]

Everybody, have you heard, like, recession bushes in.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, wow. I've seen this. Like, the fact that, like, bushes are coming back is a recession indicator. Is that what this is?

[Ilona Mar]

Why is it a recession indicator?

[Nicole Averlin]

Upkeep. You know, you're not paying money for waxes or razor blades or anything. You're just letting it be.

[Ilona Mar]

You're going that money for it.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

A recession indicator. Hmm.

[Ilona Mar]

I've seen also some girls, though, who've gotten like, lasered it all away, who are now sad they did that.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, I saw one of y' all girls, she said that she got it all lasered before her prefrontal cortex completely developed and now she yearns for a bush.

[Ilona Mar]

She yearns for a bush? Yes, that's what I said. Where she yearns for a bush. Hmm.

[Olivia Mar]

We yearn for the butcher. You guys yearn for a bush?

[Ilona Mar]

I, you know, I have a bush at times. Recession's been happening in my whole life.

[Nicole Averlin]

I guess 2008 really impacted her.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

I think that we come from a household too, where our mom was always like, what are you, a young girl? Yeah. Women have hair.

[Olivia Mar]

Women have hair.

[Ilona Mar]

That's what women look like. And so, you know, I'd always be a woman. Want to be fully bare around her like that. So I've also. I think we are also a lazy bunch.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay.

[Nicole Averlin]

Alona just pointed out. Olivia, if you are listening, I mean, I'm get.

[Olivia Mar]

I've been in some long term relationships, you know, like, I think you get comfortable, you get happy, you're with someone you love and they accept you in all ways, so.

[Nicole Averlin]

And there's nothing wrong with a bush.

[Ilona Mar]

There's nothing. You don't get into it.

[Olivia Mar]

I'm gonna grab your bushes when I say this. There's nothing wrong with a little hair down there.

[Nicole Averlin]

Nothing wrong with a shag carpet.

[Olivia Mar]

No.

[Ilona Mar]

Back to feminism. Men have it. Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

Why do women have it.

[Ilona Mar]

It's so natural and normal and yet viewed as disgusting or not uncleanly to have a bush.

[Olivia Mar]

If it wasn't supposed to be there, it wouldn't be there. But it is supposed to be there. It's kind of like hair in your ear canal. I think it protects stuff from maybe.

[Nicole Averlin]

Is it supposed to protect you? Is that.

[Olivia Mar]

Well, it's probably when we were cavemen or something. To keep dirt from going up there.

[Ilona Mar]

Cause sometimes I don't.

[Nicole Averlin]

Cause nowadays I feel like it could be like a hygiene issue, you know.

[Ilona Mar]

To have it or not have it.

[Nicole Averlin]

When you have it. Like, if you're not cleaning it. Right?

[Olivia Mar]

Uh. Oh, yeah. Cause I do say, will, I do appreciate what, like, men keep things clean and trim, but a manscaping, you know.

[Ilona Mar]

Bit of manscaping, but a manscaping.

[Olivia Mar]

I appreciate that. So I can also see, like, in the reverse, like, keep things clean if you want, but also do what you want down there.

[Ilona Mar]

Do what you want. But also don't make such rash decisions by, like, lasering your whole bush away at such a young age.

[Nicole Averlin]

I get lasering bikini lines.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

But I'm like, everything for the rest of your life.

[Olivia Mar]

It's like the equivalent of getting a tattoo too young. Maybe you'll regret it because you can.

[Nicole Averlin]

Laser off a tattoo. You can't laser it back on.

[Olivia Mar]

Hair transplant to your bush.

[Ilona Mar]

Save it from the top of your head so it's like fucking long.

[Olivia Mar]

You go to Turkey for a bush transplant.

[Ilona Mar]

Oh, yeah. They're like, oh, I got a hair transplant. But where you look completely normal. Oh, no.

[Nicole Averlin]

She has to walk in. Weird.

[Ilona Mar]

This should go in the episode.

[Olivia Mar]

But this. That just reminded me of that. You know, when a man posts a thirsty like or, like, posts a thirst trap online and girls in the TikTok comments are like, both my lips are smiling.

[Ilona Mar]

I haven't. But I. I like the comments where it goes, oh, my. Just perked up. That's one of my favorite comments I've ever read in my life.

[Olivia Mar]

It's Thursday. Comments on TikTok.

[Ilona Mar]

Women.

[Olivia Mar]

Maybe it's women. Women are the funniest ones about it.

[Ilona Mar]

Hilarious.

[Olivia Mar]

Like, even the simple ones that are like. Like, hi, louder than everybody else or like, high quiet. So I seem different than the other girls. Just so good. The funniest things on TikTok are the comments.

[Nicole Averlin]

I was on TikTok the other day, and for some reason the comments weren't loading, but the videos were. And it was not an enjoyable experience, actually. I was like, ugh. It was a Weird glitch. I don't know what was happening.

[Olivia Mar]

And I think it feels like the weird way that, like, you do connect with other people via it is just you scrolling but having those comments. You feel connected to the other people that were liking and enjoying this video as well. Like, you don't feel so alone for, like, thirsting after someone or whatever.

[Ilona Mar]

Not to get back to Bush's.

[Olivia Mar]

No, please, please.

[Ilona Mar]

What do you say when a man doesn't like it?

[Olivia Mar]

Grow up. Heard.

[Nicole Averlin]

I don't care about your opinion.

[Ilona Mar]

Okay, interesting. I love that. What if he's. It's not his preference.

[Nicole Averlin]

Okay, what about my preference? Trim yours. How about you go bald? How about you laser it off?

[Olivia Mar]

Is that a red flag, though, if he. If his preference is nothing?

[Ilona Mar]

I don't think it is in a lot of cases because it's so normalized, right? Like when they're watching porn or when they're watching other things. Like, it's become just the way about it. So it's, like, almost normal for them not to see it. So it can easily just become their preference with how they're. Does it mean what they're watching?

[Olivia Mar]

Probably.

[Ilona Mar]

I don't know my preference with.

[Nicole Averlin]

Guys, shave your underarms.

[Ilona Mar]

I hate men. Shave men underarms.

[Olivia Mar]

You are gonna shave them.

[Ilona Mar]

That is a hot take, Adriana. Hot take.

[Nicole Averlin]

Hate armpit hair on anyone.

[Olivia Mar]

No, I hear you. Especially when there's deodorant stuck in there on men.

[Nicole Averlin]

Have you ever heard about feminism of women who grow it out? Because you do that, but guys shave it off. I ate it. I ate it. And even on women, I'm like, get it off.

[Olivia Mar]

I've never heard this take before.

[Ilona Mar]

Ever have a man with just your underarms?

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, but then imagine them shaving, and then it comes back and it's like that short. Ew, Adriana, shave everything.

[Ilona Mar]

What are you thinking about? Their legs.

[Nicole Averlin]

Oh, that's fine.

[Ilona Mar]

Hairy legs. But they're just the clearest underarms.

[Nicole Averlin]

You see, I remember so clearly watching High School Musical as a kid, and, like, it was like, Troy or Chad, and I was like, ew, shave that.

[Ilona Mar]

Just handle that. Okay. He's like, I just, like, prefer no push. Yeah, same. I actually prefer no hair in my underarm, so.

[Olivia Mar]

So handle that.

[Nicole Averlin]

What are you thinking?

[Olivia Mar]

Absolutely interesting.

[Ilona Mar]

I've. I've had it before where I've had men who prefer, like, it shaved. And, like, I will be like, okay, I'll do a balance with it. Like, I'll. I. You know, I keep it groomed, but Like, I don't. I personally don't want it fully bare.

[Olivia Mar]

I hear you.

[Ilona Mar]

So I think it's also about balancing. Like, there are some things about, like, you. You don't like fully armpit hair. There's things that you. You have preferences for. So I don't think it's fully a red flag if they feel that way. I think there's a conversation to be had and some maybe, you know, compromises to make.

[Olivia Mar]

There's this one video of a guy. I think he's. He's British or something, where he's, like, saying, like. He's like, oh, no, I don't want you down there. I haven't shaved. I haven't handled it. It's like, I eat lollipops after they drop on the carpet. Lay down, girl. My man. My.

[Ilona Mar]

Who knew we were talking about bushes and tits so much?

[Olivia Mar]

No. So, like, that's the strongest start to this episode.

[Ilona Mar]

Well, most of you are women listening, so. Yeah, we love you all.

[Nicole Averlin]

We actually looked at our demographics. 95% of our listeners are women.

[Ilona Mar]

And I'm not shocked. I'm blessed.

[Nicole Averlin]

Love you.

[Olivia Mar]

Love that. A safe space. This is a safe space.

[Ilona Mar]

Get your bushes out, Lee.

[Olivia Mar]

I also fully need to say that when I made that line to camera about, like, I'm gonna twirl your bush when I say this, I made direct eye contact with our audio camera guy, who's right behind my camera and laughing.

[Ilona Mar]

Right.

[Nicole Averlin]

That's my new favorite thing.

[Ilona Mar]

And I'm gonna hold your.

[Olivia Mar]

And he didn't blink, so you know what?

[Ilona Mar]

Let's see them armpits, man. Let's see what you got.

[Olivia Mar]

Rocking with one man in the room. We got one over here, too. Hope y' all got a nature.

[Nicole Averlin]

You better have bare armpits over there.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, let's see. Armpit situation.

[Nicole Averlin]

Is this workplace harassment?

[Ilona Mar]

Right, right.

[Olivia Mar]

Just quite serious in it.

[Ilona Mar]

Quite serious.

[Nicole Averlin]

Anyway.

[Ilona Mar]

Anyway, ladies.

[Olivia Mar]

Should we roll into some tea time?

[Ilona Mar]

Let's roll in.

[Olivia Mar]

What's going on, guys? I'm laughing my sweet cheeks off. This is another reason you should be watching on YouTube to really hone in on this energy alone. It just spread her legs. So that's what I'm saying. You're missing it. You're missing it. She just spread her legs.

[Ilona Mar]

That felt weird. She's being funny. I got a cameraman back there. Sorry about that, sir. Sorry about that, guys. Many harassment complaints after this. Hey, guys. So you're not allowed to record here anymore.

[Olivia Mar]

They don't let us back to New York City.

[Nicole Averlin]

God, it's quite serious. Oma's gonna love this episode.

[Olivia Mar]

Don't listen to this one.

[Nicole Averlin]

Oma, look at me.

[Olivia Mar]

Tana Lane, take her iPad away.

[Ilona Mar]

Oma.

[Olivia Mar]

This isn't for you guys.

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[Olivia Mar]

Should we go into some tea time? So we already said, but we are here in New York City, the greatest.

[Nicole Averlin]

City in the world.

[Ilona Mar]

Great city.

[Olivia Mar]

Greatest in the world. If you make it here, you can make it anywhere.

[Ilona Mar]

You can make it anywhere. Yes.

[Nicole Averlin]

The streets are alive here.

[Olivia Mar]

It's fun to be here all together.

[Nicole Averlin]

Welcome to my home.

[Ilona Mar]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

I'm a New Yorker. No, I can't say that. I cut myself off, guys. I didn't say that.

[Olivia Mar]

Actually, she almost said she's a New Yorker.

[Nicole Averlin]

No, I didn't. No. And I don't think people are always, like, when you're here, like, maybe 10 years. Would you call yourself a New Yorker? No.

[Ilona Mar]

You still wouldn't?

[Nicole Averlin]

No. Cause I. I don't think. I think you have to be born and raised here to be a New Yorker.

[Olivia Mar]

You can say that.

[Nicole Averlin]

Okay. I don't know. I also like don't think I'm gonna make it 10 years. Oh, and I. I knew that moving to New York, of that I'm gonna move here for my career and I'm gonna enjoy it. But I love Vermont so much that I could probably see myself moving back to Vermont.

[Olivia Mar]

Interesting.

[Nicole Averlin]

Or maybe try somewhere else. Like, I've always loved going to other places, living there. So settling down in one city for the rest of your life is daunting to me. I will say you like the possibility, but I love New York. It's so fun. I've met wonderful friends here, got very lucky, and for now it's the greatest.

[Olivia Mar]

City in the world. You're subscribed to that grind.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

How's it feel to be back?

[Olivia Mar]

I actually like it when the weather's nice and Alona said to you, you say you really like it here?

[Ilona Mar]

I always love coming to New York. I think it's so cool. There's so much happening. Feels like just it's, you know, a place to be.

[Olivia Mar]

I'm always.

[Ilona Mar]

I'm never here for long. I'm always here for like a day.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

So I never really get to get out there experience. But I love, like, I just went on a jog through Central park, went from one end to the other. I thought I was turning around.

[Olivia Mar]

She wasn't, I didn't.

[Ilona Mar]

I went all the way to. From top to bottom. And then I would look at my map like, oh my God, I gotta be somewhere in half hour. But I love it. I think that there's so much to do, so many people to meet. I'd spend more time here. I spent a summer here a little bit, but that's about it.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah. But you used to play rugby here?

[Ilona Mar]

I used to play rugby here, yeah. In the Bronx. A team called the Village Lions was like my first kind of club rugby experience. And I loved it. I loved like the vibe of it. After practice we'd go to this bar called like Glackens or. And we'd get like these eight dollar, really strong drinks. It was like mostly, you know, vodka, tequila in it. And then we would just, you know, chat and have so much fun after rugby like that, that's club rugby is like. You go to play the rugby, but mostly it's for the socialness and fun vibe. And then we would go play tournaments and we come back in the city and party in the city. So I really loved. I think I also associate New York with like that really fun summer. And I had a great time, so I think I could See myself spending more time here, but I don't know if I could live here. Like, at the. As you get older, this is a.

[Olivia Mar]

Good time we're here. You know, it's. It's summery. It's. The weather's nice. I think people start to feel a little bit nicer too, like New Yorkers and whatnot. When the weather isn't as cold and wet and gray. But it does. The city feels so possibility, so full of possibility, as I've spoken about before. But I could see you spending like a couple weeks at a time here just being a New Yorker for two seconds.

[Ilona Mar]

Well, there's so much like, especially in my job, there's a lot that can be done here. Yeah. In the media. I mean, I do shoots here constantly, so it'd be good at times. I like a home base here, home base in L. A and whatnot. So we'll see. But I don't know the city as well as you guys do. Do you guys have a favorite spot? Like girls in a. Recommendations? Where you get in that dirty martini? Where you get in the fries? What rooftop you checking out?

[Olivia Mar]

So I moved away from here in 2022. Early top of 2022. Yeah. And I feel like the city is changing constantly post also, especially post like pandemic. Like there was many changes that occurred when I was here for that. And so things continue to shift. And a lot of. Some of my favorite places are no longer. But I'm still. I still love going out and adventuring and finding something new. You don't. It doesn't always have to be like a rooftop. Sometimes rooftops can be a bit like, seamy. Like wait in line to get to the top for expensive drinks. And it's kind of. Eh, whatever.

[Nicole Averlin]

Unless it's the Margaritaville one.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, you want to speak to that?

[Nicole Averlin]

I had these yucca fries at the top of Margaritaville in Times Square. In Times Square, Yes. Spooky. Don't go to like, the fifth floor level.

[Olivia Mar]

You got to go to the rooftop.

[Nicole Averlin]

Sorry.

[Ilona Mar]

That's crazy.

[Olivia Mar]

Good for you. Hot New York City tip from a local, everyone. The Margaritaville in Times Square.

[Nicole Averlin]

I got good wrecks.

[Olivia Mar]

She got good wrecks. I love spending time in the West Village. One of my best friends lives there. And so I'm often down there drinking wine or we'll go to dinner. And it's just fun exploring those streets. And it's so cozy. Used to nanny down there too. And then I recently stayed in the Lower east side like we talked about. And also I Just like, I love stepping out and being in such a vibrant energy and vibe and just walking to find a cool place. But I have actually been stumbling upon a couple of the places that we would host after parties when I worked for Dr. Alex Schiller, like the sex doct. And we do our events and we go to these cool, cozy bars. And I'm like, how did you find this? How do you know about this? Why do you know the owner? Like, why? And I'm seeing more of those and I would love to kind of revisit those as the. As my 30 year old self instead of my, you know, post graduation, kind of nervous, but just figuring it out self. So maybe we should go do that. We should go get a dirty martini somewhere.

[Ilona Mar]

What one? Yeah, I'm down.

[Olivia Mar]

Let's do it tonight.

[Ilona Mar]

Audrey, do you have, like, a favorite bar?

[Nicole Averlin]

I love this one. It's called the Dead Rabbit. I brought you there when you were here recently. It's this Irish pub on the bottom. But then it's like this elevated experience, like parlor on top. And they're like chipping the ice cubes and putting to make them fit in your glass. You gotta get the moonlit. It's the most incredible cocktail I've ever had. Okay. And like, you get the fries with all the different dipping, so I love it. It's a stark difference on the bottom floor and the top floor, but both are incredible.

[Olivia Mar]

It's down in Fi Di.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah. Literally on the bottom of Manhattan. Like, you step out and you can kind of see the rivers.

[Olivia Mar]

Something I've always wanted to do, if you guys want to come with me, is do the broad city thing of walking from the tippity top to the tippity bottom like Alana and Abby do.

[Ilona Mar]

How many miles is that?

[Nicole Averlin]

12.2 or something.

[Olivia Mar]

Why do you know that? That's amazing.

[Nicole Averlin]

Because I know so many people who have done it.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, they've done it.

[Nicole Averlin]

Oh, yeah. It's a huge trend.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, I want to do that.

[Nicole Averlin]

I haven't done the full thing, but I've joined in on several people's walks. And that's always fun. Cause it goes right through the Upper west side. And I live on the Upper west side, so I can always just like hop and meet them. And like, it's usually right when they're taking like a lunch break. So it's great for me.

[Olivia Mar]

So would you ever do it?

[Nicole Averlin]

I would do it. However, the last time I walked 12 miles, I kind of fucked up my ankle, so I'm a little nervous. To do it again.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

What is this injury? When I was on a bakery crawl last year with our cousin.

[Ilona Mar]

How many miles is that?

[Nicole Averlin]

13.

[Ilona Mar]

Geez. You went. You walked 13 miles on a bakery girl?

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah, because all of a sudden, like, we'd already done, like, 10 miles, and she's like, we have to get this cupcake that was three miles away, and it was the worst cupcake or the worst treat of the entire day.

[Olivia Mar]

And you were like, no, subway. We have to walk.

[Nicole Averlin]

And I remember, because what happened. I don't want to actually get the injury. Does not make sense to talk about. But I remember being like, hey, could we bust to the last thing? And she's like, we're so. We're so close.

[Olivia Mar]

She wanted to make sure the whole day was walking.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah. And so I did have to go to PT for that, so I'm a little nervous too.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, my God.

[Ilona Mar]

Walking. That is a bakery crawl.

[Olivia Mar]

Walking.

[Ilona Mar]

Bakery crawl rock. That is a seriously dangerous sport, guys.

[Olivia Mar]

Be careful.

[Ilona Mar]

Well, you got to be careful out there.

[Nicole Averlin]

You've got a weak ankle already from when I twisted it.

[Olivia Mar]

No, I hear you. I'm.

[Ilona Mar]

It's dangerous out here. It is.

[Nicole Averlin]

Careful of the bakery crawls, guys, or you might end up actually crawling.

[Ilona Mar]

Olivia, what you walking 13 miles for? I know.

[Olivia Mar]

What.

[Ilona Mar]

Smash burgers.

[Olivia Mar]

And I just had a really good smash burger. I hadn't had 7th street burgers before. I love smash burgers. We know this. I go all over Los Angeles. I know all the best spots, but I hadn't had 7th Street Burger here. I think I actually. No, that's a lie. I had it, I think when they first opened or something. Their first location. I was sort of. Eh. Maybe their griddles weren't seasoned enough or something. Who knows? But I went back recently, and. Oh, my God. And I don't know if it's because I was so hungry after the Beyonce concert in New Jersey, and I was dripping wet because it was dumping rain the entire time. That Smashburger almost made me see God. I just, like. It was so good.

[Ilona Mar]

What am I walking for?

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, what are you walking 13 miles for? Tell us. No.

[Ilona Mar]

What's, like. What's something I always am eating?

[Nicole Averlin]

Do you Margarita?

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

I can walk a lot for money.

[Olivia Mar]

You're walking for, like, a cold east coast oyster.

[Ilona Mar]

I. I would do an oyster walk for sure.

[Olivia Mar]

Oyster walk.

[Ilona Mar]

That's great, Olivia.

[Olivia Mar]

Yes, I'd join you.

[Ilona Mar]

I constantly send Olivia tick tock. John doesn't like oysters. I constantly send Olivia oyster tick tocks. Of, like, this Girl, I think. Where. Where was she? She's in like England, right?

[Olivia Mar]

There was a woman in England.

[Ilona Mar]

She goes to these places and eats like 50 oysters in a sitting, which is.

[Olivia Mar]

She finds $yster hours all over England and goes. And I'm not. She puts away like hundreds of oysters.

[Ilona Mar]

The servers are concerned. Yeah, an oyster walk would be a great idea.

[Olivia Mar]

A great walk because you just. Because then you can get tastes and flavors and each place would probably do theirs a little bit different or they'd have a house mignonette sauce or a house made hot sauce that was a little bit different from each place.

[Ilona Mar]

Place.

[Olivia Mar]

I love an oyster. A cold oyster. One time we got served oysters on a platter of salt. Our family is not shut up about this. And that place is no longer in business now. So I'm not saying that that's what happened on a platter of salt.

[Ilona Mar]

So they were almost like, they better be cold oysters.

[Olivia Mar]

You gotta be cold and crispy and just like salty.

[Ilona Mar]

And like, we like minionette on the side. We like freshly shaved horseradish lemon juice. We sometimes put cocktail sauce on, but not often.

[Olivia Mar]

I'm not a cocktail.

[Ilona Mar]

And then our family were so annoying. We need to find the pepper mill wherever we go. And we're at an oyster place. My mom is up looking around the bar for a pepper mill.

[Olivia Mar]

If they don't.

[Ilona Mar]

If they're not bringing a peppermill or she'll pill. She actually has one. She pulls out of her purse. Oh, yes. They have a little mini one.

[Olivia Mar]

Has its own little case in her purse. Bless her. Can you believe that?

[Ilona Mar]

Yep. Well, I can't. It's me and a couple.

[Olivia Mar]

Why can't. It's literally you.

[Ilona Mar]

I can't wait to do that oyster walk.

[Olivia Mar]

Let's do it. Let's make it a reality.

[Ilona Mar]

Hey, John. I can't. I'm like the way John's ankle set up. She can't do it.

[Olivia Mar]

No, she's got PT that day on her ankle. Or bakery groll.

[Nicole Averlin]

Actually, my insurance doesn't cover.

[Ilona Mar]

Goodness me. Goodness. All right, well, let's pop into the reading now.

[Nicole Averlin]

A new segment.

[Ilona Mar]

A new segment. We're big readers. We don't always read the most.

[Nicole Averlin]

Educational.

[Ilona Mar]

Intellectual, educational books, but we read fun books, which I think you all will love as well. So this is a new segment. We're just gonna go over what books we're reading currently.

[Olivia Mar]

Yes.

[Nicole Averlin]

Mine is something I just finished. And so I'm not currently reading anything because I literally night. It's called rewind. It back. It's by Liz Tom Ford. It's the Windy City series. It's the fifth book, actually, so I guess you could start with the first one. Oh, you've read it.

[Ilona Mar]

Is this the Flight Attendant?

[Nicole Averlin]

The first one is a flight attendant.

[Ilona Mar]

You haven't read the first one?

[Nicole Averlin]

No, I've read the whole thing. Oh, you should read the whole thing. I've read the whole thing. But I think that this book might be my favorite out of all of them.

[Ilona Mar]

Really? Okay.

[Nicole Averlin]

It was really good. Like, the premise is that they were, like, childhood sweethearts, and then, like, this big tift happened and, like, you're kind of figuring out what it was and there's a little bit of groveling. It's just well written.

[Ilona Mar]

Nice.

[Nicole Averlin]

I love it. It was very.

[Ilona Mar]

Enemies at all.

[Nicole Averlin]

Kind of at the beginning, but, like, they still love each other even after all these years.

[Olivia Mar]

What's that trope called? Rekindled or something?

[Nicole Averlin]

Second Chance Love.

[Olivia Mar]

Second Chance Love. That's what that trope is called? Yes.

[Nicole Averlin]

And I just enjoyed. It was just a fun read, but I'm kind of sad that the series is over, but you can tell that she's setting it up for the next series because all of a sudden it's like, well, the neighborhood.

[Ilona Mar]

Her.

[Nicole Averlin]

Her brother. Also, it is a hockey book.

[Olivia Mar]

I was about to say, I feel like this. We're missing some context here, but, like.

[Nicole Averlin]

It'S not so, so much about hockey.

[Olivia Mar]

Do you watch hockey? For how much hockey books you read.

[Ilona Mar]

Have you ever watched a full hockey game?

[Nicole Averlin]

Yes, I have.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay.

[Nicole Averlin]

I went to some of our colleges hockey games, and I actually really love them.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

Mostly for the fights. Because for me, not that I'm supporting the fighting, but I'm like, yes, that's when it starts going on.

[Olivia Mar]

Energy.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah, I know. I'm like, when you were playing 15s and sometimes fights would break out. Like, I haven't ever seen that in your rugby games.

[Olivia Mar]

I was like, oh, so that was really fun.

[Nicole Averlin]

It was so fun.

[Olivia Mar]

It was mostly Hannah Botterman just shoving people when they tried to come for her on the field.

[Nicole Averlin]

And I'm cheering for her.

[Ilona Mar]

I think we need more of it in women's sports.

[Nicole Averlin]

Fighting.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah, I do. Genuinely. I think people. Americans want to see that. They love that. It's ingrained in the culture of hockey. People love seeing it.

[Olivia Mar]

It really is.

[Ilona Mar]

I won't be fighting.

[Olivia Mar]

I. No, no. We don't condemn.

[Ilona Mar]

If people act, like, start doing dumb stuff to me.

[Nicole Averlin]

But are people doing dumb stuff to.

[Ilona Mar]

You during games in pwr. There was a couple girls who would just do, like, little backhanded things to me.

[Olivia Mar]

Like what? Hair pulling.

[Ilona Mar]

One time she'd, like, shove my face into the ground. The play was over there. And then one time when I was scoring a try, this girl came in, like, kind of need, like, she wasn't gonna stop the try being scored, and she, like, kneed me in the head with her knee. And if you see me get up and I watch her walk away, I should have shoved her.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah, I encourage you to shove her, actually.

[Ilona Mar]

So I think people want to see that.

[Olivia Mar]

And for that, it's like they're just jealous. And to that I say, jealousy is a disease. Get well soon, bitch.

[Nicole Averlin]

Can you make a stink about this to the refs to be like. Or would you get yelled at because.

[Olivia Mar]

They'Re supposed to be the.

[Ilona Mar]

No, I mean, it's. Maybe I could do more. So I'm gonna try to do more. If something happens, World cup, advocate for yourself. Create a viral moment or something like that.

[Olivia Mar]

But, I mean, you are being the bigger person by not meeting them at their level.

[Ilona Mar]

Well, to me, if you're gonna do that to me, I'll just hit you harder later on or something like that.

[Olivia Mar]

So get. That's just like, so untasteful. That's just. No, I know. Lack of class.

[Ilona Mar]

Lack of class.

[Nicole Averlin]

Anyway.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, sorry. Hockey book.

[Nicole Averlin]

No, I think I already sold it to everyone. I think everyone's gonna read it, and I'll be reading her next series. Oh, they're going to a different town, and I think it's baseball.

[Olivia Mar]

So famously your favorite sport.

[Nicole Averlin]

Famously my favorite sport. I'll read any sports romance except for rugby. One time I read a rugby romance book and I was like, ugh.

[Olivia Mar]

Was it just not well written or something?

[Nicole Averlin]

No, it was more so that, like, rugby is a lonas thing, and it felt like almost wrong reading it.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I do. Anyway, Lona, what are we reading, darlin?

[Ilona Mar]

I actually read a great, great cowboy romance. Well, like, rancher romance. It's called a lucky river ranch book by Jessica Peterson. And I've read a couple cowboy romances. We read one, like, over winter time or a little before that. And it was too quick of a build. You know what I'm saying? Too quick of a payoff.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, not enough.

[Ilona Mar]

I was like, we need more. So this one is little enemies lovers. She. Her and her dad are strange, but her dad owns this massive ranch, but he dies and. And leaves the rancher with one stipulation that she has to live on the ranch for a year to get it. His foreman, though, is named Cash, and Cash also has four other brothers. That sets up for a whole series.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, I thought it was about to be something else.

[Ilona Mar]

Enemies to lovers. Because he's a foreman and he is like, oh, well, he said he was gonna leave the ranch to me. He's pissed. Right, right. And then she comes in in her sparkly cowboy boots, blah, blah, blah, blah. And turns out she's actually really hard worker. And he sees her working so hard. At one point. This was a great point. They both take two horses to go see the ranch. Oh, no. Her horse runs away. There's only one horse.

[Nicole Averlin]

Only one horse.

[Ilona Mar]

Like the one bed trope. There's only one horse. So they both get on that thing.

[Olivia Mar]

Save a horse, ride a cowboy. Am I right?

[Ilona Mar]

On a. On a horse? Well, yeah, this one was very good. It had the classic scene where they go. Go to the local dive bar, you.

[Olivia Mar]

Know, and somebody else wants her.

[Ilona Mar]

Somebody else wants her. And he's. And they go dance, and he pulls her. Some guy goes to ask her, dancing, pulls her away.

[Nicole Averlin]

Wow.

[Ilona Mar]

And this was a slower build, too. And then the scenes were great.

[Olivia Mar]

I gotta read this.

[Ilona Mar]

It's really. It's good. It's fun. And then it was definitely, like, pretty well written. I mean, you kind of knew what was happening, what was gonna happen, you know?

[Nicole Averlin]

Okay, yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

As is gonna happen in any book.

[Olivia Mar]

But you're. Yeah, that's what makes it fun.

[Ilona Mar]

No, it was. It was really fun. I'm now onto the second one, which is called Wyatt.

[Olivia Mar]

That's his name.

[Ilona Mar]

That's his name. I think that's what they're going by.

[Olivia Mar]

Bit on the nose, but. Okay.

[Ilona Mar]

Bit on the nose. They're hot cowboys. I love it. Hoping to meet a cowboy in real life.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, we gotta get to a ranch.

[Ilona Mar]

Spicy. It's a little spicy and a little kinky in there as well, so. Yeah, check that one out.

[Olivia Mar]

Should we go to a ranch? Should we take a vacation to. I mean, we've been trying to have a tropical sister vacation.

[Ilona Mar]

Got to go to a ranch at some time. We should go to a ranch.

[Olivia Mar]

Would you ride a horse?

[Nicole Averlin]

Absolutely. I would.

[Olivia Mar]

Really?

[Ilona Mar]

No, I don't know if I would.

[Nicole Averlin]

Not until you've retired from rugby, please.

[Ilona Mar]

Well, what's that quote from Sherlock Holmes where it's like.

[Olivia Mar]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ilona Mar]

It's like, too crafty in the middle.

[Olivia Mar]

Dangerous at both ends, and crafty in the middle. Yeah, yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

So that's why I Don't. I don't trust them a little bit. They're. They're big beasts. I trot.

[Nicole Averlin]

Have you ever ridden on a horse?

[Ilona Mar]

I've ridden on a pony.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, good.

[Ilona Mar]

When was that one?

[Nicole Averlin]

Yes.

[Ilona Mar]

In the Netherlands when I was young.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, right.

[Nicole Averlin]

The only time I've been on a horse is also in the Netherlands.

[Ilona Mar]

Interesting.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, now I'm jealous.

[Nicole Averlin]

First time I tried to get on it, I fell off the other side.

[Ilona Mar]

Really?

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah. So then they had to get me an even smaller horse, and then I got on just fine.

[Ilona Mar]

Olivia, what are you reading?

[Olivia Mar]

I've just finished Same thing. A Great Big Beautiful Life by Emily Henry.

[Nicole Averlin]

Wow.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

Can I make a guess?

[Olivia Mar]

You may. What's up?

[Nicole Averlin]

Is it a cartoon cover with a pastel background?

[Olivia Mar]

You bet your bottom dollar. Actually, I think it's a bit of a darker blue purple this time.

[Nicole Averlin]

Oh, she's changed for her. Yeah, she has changed.

[Ilona Mar]

Doesn't her books usually.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, it's orange. Sorry. I've just heard it's actually orange.

[Nicole Averlin]

Oh, you the black and white E reader. You in it now?

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, no, exactly.

[Ilona Mar]

What's. What happens in it?

[Olivia Mar]

This one is. What's the latest by Emily Henry? Love her books. I just. There's something about the way she's. The way she writes these kind of courtships. I feel like I'm. I think I've talked about this. I feel like I'm the one being courted. Like I'm having the banter. Like I have a crush on these characters. Like they just. Like. Like when they. When they're just. They're flirting, I feel like I'm flirting. And that's such a fun feeling when reading. This one is very cool. When I first started it, I thought I wasn't maybe gonna like it. I was like, oh, maybe this is too different from her normal stuff. It's not. It's not too different. But the way I've been describing it is that it's a classic Emily Henry combined with, like, a Taylor Jenkins Reid book. The way she writes Daisy Jones and the Sixth or Evelyn, the Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo. How it's like this backstory of these people. Famous people's lives, fictional people's lives mixed in with what's going on. So it's the normal characters falling in love. Classic Emily Henry style. They're both writers interviewing this iconic woman who grew up in. In the public eye, in the media. Her family was, you know, tabloid people and whatnot, and who went into hiding and nobody knew she existed anymore. But she seeks her out to like, write this book about her. And so we're getting the love story that's happening in the present, as well as the woman's backstory and the woman's family's backstory and the right, like, the fame of it all. It was so. It was so good. I. I think I rated it very highly. I just. It was cozy, it was fun, it was romantic and a bit of a twist from her normal stuff because that other plot line running through it in the same way that Nicholas Sparks books, I feel like, always have two plot lines. One of my favorites being Longest Ride Cowboy.

[Ilona Mar]

What?

[Nicole Averlin]

That's an amazing movie.

[Olivia Mar]

A movie. The two plot lines in that are both incredible. It's like two for the price of one in that way.

[Nicole Averlin]

I sobbed at that movie.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, yeah. The first time I showed you the.

[Nicole Averlin]

Longest Ride, I'm in that corner almost dry heaving.

[Olivia Mar]

It's a good movie, I think. Next up, I'm gonna go for another iconic cartoon cover author, Abby Jimenez.

[Nicole Averlin]

I'm excited for you.

[Olivia Mar]

Thank you.

[Ilona Mar]

I don't know if I've read. Have you read any of hers?

[Olivia Mar]

No, I've only read one.

[Ilona Mar]

I think they're good.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, I read the. I think I've read one, like the third or second one in a series. I didn't realize it was a series, but it. You can't tell. Like, you can start wherever. But then she went and followed me on Instagram.

[Ilona Mar]

Very cool.

[Olivia Mar]

I was honored. And I've learned from that that she has, like, bakeries and she bakes a special cupcake for each of her books, like when they come out. So you can go, like, have the book that like, corresponds or have the cupcake that corresponds with her book. So I gotta get to one of those. Put that on your next 13 mile.

[Nicole Averlin]

My baby girl love shifting gears. It was recently National Best Friends Day. So let's dedicate the next section to our best friends. Livy, tell us about your best friend.

[Olivia Mar]

Ah, I love talking about my best friends. My best friend lives in California with me. We met in college. We lived together. I think that's how you know, like, a friendship is for real because we could live together with no consequences. It was the most beautiful time. You know, there was an issue it. It like making or breaking, like, it made and made stronger. So very blessed in that way.

[Ilona Mar]

And then I just, like, as I've.

[Olivia Mar]

Gotten older, you just. You also, I think, start to gather hopefully and luckily and blessed for me, like, more friends and more besties, other parts of life. So, like, I also have like my best friend here in the city. Like, I've got my people that like, are my people, the ones I'm in contact with constantly, whether it be sending memes or sending, you know, a text here or there. And I've got like a great, unbelievable group of gals in Los Angeles that I am so blessed to have who are also, most of them are single as well. And we're very much so in the same places of life where we, you know, we go out to bars hoping to like, maybe meet someone. But also at the end of the day, we still have each other. And I had them as at the during my breakup and after that I had a summer full of them. And I think to say that saved my life is so dramatic, you know, but it was so important and so grounding and helpful to have those people physically with me to keep me laughing and giggling and know, like, hey, it's gonna be okay. Like, I have all of these unbelievable women at the end of the day and like, we've got the funniest group chat.

[Nicole Averlin]

I love that you have these amazing women surrounding you.

[Olivia Mar]

Love women.

[Nicole Averlin]

Love the women.

[Olivia Mar]

Shout out all my women everywhere. And Joe, love you.

[Nicole Averlin]

Noni, what about you?

[Ilona Mar]

My best friend is Nicole Averlin. She is my teammate on the USA rugby team. I never like, had. I have like long time friends from like, you know, back in the day, but never somebody that I got to choose myself. You know, the friends I had from like, you know, even preschool to middle school and whatnot, like, they were more in my life and whatnot. And like they were, those were my siblings in a way. Like in Catholic school, you know, it was a group of nine of us. So. So they were, you know, was forced proximity in a way. So Nicole was the first one where I really got to choose her. Like, that's my person and she chose you and she chose me as well.

[Olivia Mar]

That's what's beautiful.

[Ilona Mar]

We first kind of met, you know, that summer when I was first there and vibed a little bit, nothing too crazy. And then this season, the next season came around and that's when I felt like I was really more part of the team. It wasn't just coming in at the end for the last two tournaments. I feel like, felt like I was really part of it it and you can just get a vibe from somebody. We're kind of vibing and I remember we were about to go on tour and I went up to her and I was like, you know, we asked for a roommate survey and I put you down as my first roommate option. She's like, that's crazy. I put you down as my first remain option. And that kind of like kicked it off for us. We were roommates at our tour in Colorado and it was kind of created a safe space for both of us. Like, we just all kind of showed our quirks and we figured out how to do it together. Like, we both just like to be, you know, butt naked in the room. Like, really safe space. She is, you know, she'll say she's farting constantly. It's a fart friendly space. And we just got along really well. And then like afterwards, I remember we like hung out that next weekend. And I think it was like my first time ever having and I a best friend. And I was really scared. I was scared to like, tell her, like, I think she. You're my best friend. She's. It sounds like I'm, you know, having my partner here, my boyfriend, but my girlfriend. But I was. I think we got drinks and I was like, I just wanna let you know, like, I think you're my best friend. And she was like a. I think you're my best friend too.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, that's so cute.

[Ilona Mar]

Isn't that cute? So I think we just collectively decided to, like, you know, be each other's best friends.

[Olivia Mar]

And how did you know? Like, how did you feel?

[Ilona Mar]

I think it's when you feel like you can be yourself around them and you don't feel judged and like, whatever you, you can tell them anything. I think, like, I've told Nicole more than I've even told you guys. Like, that's where I like, no.

[Olivia Mar]

That'S.

[Ilona Mar]

When I just, like, I think, you know, that that's your. Your bestie. But she's also. She just doesn't judge. And it's just different, you know, still.

[Nicole Averlin]

Kind of on that.

[Olivia Mar]

But I think the sisters are best friends.

[Ilona Mar]

Sisters are best friends. But, you know. Right. I don't know how to explain it, but she's just always been there and we've, you know, been through so much together. We've been through a lot of ups and downs. Like times where it was like, what are you? Why are you doing that? And then getting angry at each other, whatever. But. But we've continued to kind of power through it. And even when we've been far apart, it's always like knowing that, you know, we have her. She really has, like, been such a light in my life and to finally have somebody I can call my own, like, I call her my soulmate because I sometimes wish that I was attracted to her. And, like, I think we could have had a perfect marriage at this point. But I think that's also what makes it so pure and perfect, is that, you know, nothing that doesn't come between us and we're just the closest.

[Olivia Mar]

And that you still, like, see each other despite maybe the things that, like, maybe annoy you or you don't agree with each other.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah. I mean, we know each other for sure all the time. Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

For me, when I knew, like with Bri in college was that I kind of realized we'd spent like several days together non stop, like a stupid amount of time together. And I just had this realization randomly. I remember I was like going up these stairs to our other friend's apartment and I was like, I don't get sick of you. Like, I just felt so at home and so normal and I could say this craziest shit to her and she would not bat an eye. And she'd be like, bitch, me too. Like, you're so valid for that. Like, I just felt heard and seen and comfortable in every way that I was like, oh, this is. This is what a best friend is like. That's what this feels like, you know?

[Ilona Mar]

So I would say also, if you can stand a Europe trip with your friend.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

Euro trip. You can. Your best friends.

[Olivia Mar]

Italy and Spain together or something.

[Ilona Mar]

Italy and Spain are so hot. And like, I was doing most of the planning of it because she's like.

[Nicole Averlin]

You normally don't.

[Olivia Mar]

Know this shit. You've got to tell the sleep talking, sweating.

[Ilona Mar]

Oh my God, we're in Florence, Italy. A heat wave is hitting it. It's no AC, mind you, to 107 and I get an Airbnb. I should have freaking checked. But this is the time where I'm kind of penny pinching, like, not being the smartest. I get an Airbnb that doesn't have any AC in it. Holy butter, is it hot in there? We are both butt naked on the bed because we can't have anything touch us. Us. The. The windows. I don't even know what's happening. I think we have a fan on. I'm so hot that I sleepwalk to try to open the door. I'm butt naked, like at the door, fiddling with the lock and she's like, oh, Lono, what's happening? And I was like, I gotta get out of here. I gotta get out of here.

[Olivia Mar]

Butt naked.

[Ilona Mar]

That really bonded us because that was so uncomfortable. And yet, like, we didn't get mad at each other. We were just like. I found it funny in it. And then we go to. We end the trip in New York with Olivia to go to Pride. And I think, I guess Olivia remembers, like, she comes down her stairs to come get us into her apartment, and the relief I see when I. When I see her face, she's like, oh, God. And I get to be an ac. Holy. That was. That was amazing. Yeah, but she's. Yeah, we've. We've done through. We've been through a lot together. We went through two Olympics together, you know, tournaments all over the world together. We're always roommates at our tournaments. We just know each other so well. You know, it's been cool to be with her because she's been through different stuff with, you know, selections and whatnot and trying to figure out her path. Path. So. And we're kind of going in two different directions now as well. Like, I'm, you know, it's not just rugby now for us. It's not just, you know, USA Sevens. It's like, I'm doing this and this and this, and she's, you know, hasn't gonna have to do this, this, this. So it's been interesting that we're gonna. Our lives, I think, are changing, and it's not gonna be as easy to be, you know, around each other.

[Olivia Mar]

Because you've been co workers, too.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

It's a new chapter.

[Ilona Mar]

A new chapter, I think. Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

Figuring out your friendship. Friendship, like, with all these changes, sounds.

[Olivia Mar]

Like your friendship will withstand.

[Ilona Mar]

It doesn't seem daunting. Like, I'm not worried about it, that we're gonna change. Like, she's. She's recently been making so many new friends. She keeps trying to tell me a story. I'm like, who's this person? Who's this? Oh, I'm going to dinner with Jen now. Who's Jen?

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

But I think it's just. I'm. It's awesome. She's a. She's the loveliest, kindest person who just. Her energy brings people in. And for her to. For somebody like that, who I think is so beautiful, so perfect to choose me as her best friend is. It's such an honor. And I think she says same about me, so I'm happy for her to make new friends, but I also always know I'm her number one.

[Olivia Mar]

Hey, good.

[Ilona Mar]

You, like, you can try to be friends with Nicole, but I'm here not.

[Nicole Averlin]

Call her your best friend.

[Ilona Mar]

I hate that we. But she hates it, too. Whenever somebody, like, calls her her bestie. Or, like, even just I. Because I don't mess around with best friend. Like, for me, you have one or two best friends. You don't have many best friends. It's different for some people. But never people jokingly like, oh, they, like, run recently to, like, a bestie. Like, oh, my bestie's going away. I was like, you're who?

[Olivia Mar]

You're who?

[Ilona Mar]

Take that off. But even when I was with dancer stars, with Alan, and I would, like. I would call him my bestie, but I had to, like, let her know. I was like, nicole, just let you know. I'm just calling him my bestie. He's not really my bestie. I love him. He's my. My friend. He's a good buddy. But you're my bestie, you know? But it's like, we. We always know that even no matter what. Like, to us, that's my best friend. I think you can have. Maybe you can have besties. That's my best friend.

[Olivia Mar]

I love that. The difference between a best friend, like, full governmental best friend.

[Ilona Mar]

Yes.

[Olivia Mar]

Or, you know, besties. The bestie. The street term. Yeah. I love that.

[Ilona Mar]

If she says, I can't believe I'm marrying my best friend to her partner. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do when Bri does that?

[Olivia Mar]

When she does that?

[Ilona Mar]

When she does it. She's sure gonna do that, dude.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, I know.

[Nicole Averlin]

She's erasing her vows.

[Olivia Mar]

You better be erasing those vows right now. Know I'm officiating that wedding, so I'm gonna be. I'll be. I'll be watchful.

[Ilona Mar]

Liar.

[Olivia Mar]

If that's what she chooses. Okay. But it's a choice.

[Nicole Averlin]

You get up and leave the wedding.

[Olivia Mar]

Like, I leave the officiating.

[Nicole Averlin]

You rip up your certificate of officiation or whatever.

[Olivia Mar]

I close the booklet.

[Ilona Mar]

Well, we're done here. But, I mean, Taryn. Taryn is her best.

[Olivia Mar]

They're life partners. No. So I get that.

[Ilona Mar]

We'll forgive it. I. I guess now maybe you're objective. Audriana, you've been on kind of a different journey with your finding your best friendship and your friends in general. And I think a lot of people go through that too.

[Olivia Mar]

And she's had friends longer than you and I.

[Ilona Mar]

Yes, she's. So that's.

[Olivia Mar]

Can you speak to that?

[Nicole Averlin]

I find it interesting because so many people, I think, find their best friends later in life or, like, their really close friends. I think at least maybe our generation, a lot of people are like, no, I don't know anyone still from high school or friends with that Them. I'm still friends with people from middle school. Those are my best friends. I was somehow very lucky. I think we've talked about this. Middle school had some rough spots for me. It was very brutal. And I wasn't maybe friends with these girls through every single year, but we found each other. I have three beautiful besties from middle school. Luckily, two of them are in New York City with me, which is such a blessing. One of them is so close to me. The other is in Brooklyn, so it's basically long distance. And one is in Boston, and the one in Boston, Alyssa. We started becoming friends in sixth grade because she came up to me. She was in a ladybug T shirt, gym class. And she goes, hey, is your birthday April 30th? That's a weird question.

[Olivia Mar]

It's a weird opening.

[Nicole Averlin]

And I was like, yeah. And she's like, oh, that's my birthday too. And so. So from then on, we were just kind of friends, and we found so many, like, odd similarities in our lives, and, like, it was just beautiful to find these. And she was such a confidant in those tough years of middle and high school. Like, I had rough years in middle school, like, socially, but then rough years in high school, like, personally. And she was, like, my number one confidant, like, interesting. I would go to her for, like, these, as you said, with Bri, of, like, you would go to her and be like, say this wild thing and be like, do you understand this? And I went to things for her. Like, I was so scared. Like, I didn't even tell you guys, or, like, mom and dad, and I was like, hey, like, yada, yada, yada happens. And she was just such a wonderful, like, open ear, and, like, ugh. Like, such a great, like, grounded person to have in my life.

[Olivia Mar]

And it's not even about them, like, necessarily, like, relating, but as long as they understand and don't judge and just hear you and give you the space to, like, absolutely, like, say these things and feel these things, and that. That's just as important.

[Nicole Averlin]

Absolutely. And we've been long distance since college now, really, we work beautifully over video calls. And I still fill her in on everything sometimes maybe a little late. And now I get into the problem where I tell so many people, like, fun things or, like, things that are happening with my life, and I forget to tell her. I remember I didn't tell her about the podcast until it was, like, a week out from filming, and she was like, hey, what?

[Ilona Mar]

Hey. Hey, what?

[Nicole Averlin]

Cause I was about to be like, oh, I should talk about that on the podcast. And she thought I was joking. And based on her reaction, I was like, hey, I think I forgot to tell you this.

[Ilona Mar]

Right.

[Olivia Mar]

But that's the. I think that's growing up, though. Things change, but then you feel like you're almost betraying that friendship, because that's what that dynamic used to be. But things do shift and change, and I've had to grapple with that a lot in my own best friendships and whatnot.

[Nicole Averlin]

Exactly.

[Olivia Mar]

It's not a reflection on you or the other person, like, we've spoken about before. It's just like. Like, things change, and that's okay. But the fact that you still love each other and have one another.

[Nicole Averlin]

I think I also got very lucky when I moved to New York. She had two roommates in college who moved really close to me. And when she was visiting once, we all went out together. And I got along with these girls so well. And so I was like, hey, can you send me their numbers? And I texted them, and we made plans, and we just had this beautiful, immediate friendship. And they had just moved to the city, and they had become friends with their neighbors literally across the hall, who had also just moved to the city. And we kind of created this little group, and it was such a friend situation, you know, like two apartments literally across the hall from one another, and then one girl who doesn't live in the building. You're the Phoebe. I was the Phoebe. And it was such, like, a. Like, an amazing time. I felt like I was in a movie for a few months of just. It was very collegiate of how close we all live to one another. Like, we would just text in the group chat to be like, who wants to grab a drink? Let's do this, let's do that. We all went to the Dominican Republic together and had a amazing and kind of seamless trip. And so I'm very grateful for those two girls who introduced me, but just the friendships that I've had with them are very special. And unfortunately, one is moving away to Chicago.

[Olivia Mar]

Bitch.

[Nicole Averlin]

But the other is staying but moving 20 blocks away.

[Olivia Mar]

Ugh.

[Nicole Averlin]

So I'm surrounded by some really wonderful women.

[Ilona Mar]

From what I've heard, though, it's kind of been, you know, your friendships have been changing. I think it's hard for even a friend you've known for so long. It sounds like it's changing in a way to me.

[Nicole Averlin]

Definitely, like, getting older. I've seen changes, and I've had difficulties of adjusting. And you Know me and I mean it's not only me, but it's them. And it's, you know, you see what the influence of someone having a partner will do. And I'm someone who's never been in a relationship and you know, that also I think can difficult make things more difficult. Like I can't maybe see it. But I also, I hate you know, doing saying that about myself because I'm like, I think I am very like level minded when it comes to this. But priority shift. I think that's kind of what it comes down to. And I have felt a few times that like, like I have been deprioritized. But I will say like I've spoken up and I've had very uncomfortable conversations with friends to be like something is different. And one time I was even like, I feel like you don't like me anymore. And that, that was tough. And that took me months to kind of like get the courage to be like hey, but we are so much stronger for it now. Like when I was saying that like I was like, this friendship is over, you know, and so I think it takes like finding that courage to be like just even address it.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

You know, and because you're just in your own mind, I think it's the same thing of when you are in a relationship. You need to have these like little things be communicated and talked through.

[Olivia Mar]

Absolutely.

[Ilona Mar]

I mean we talk about a lot though on this, like how much we're changing and how much we find ourselves. So like you, as you change this person, they're changing and sometimes you might just not vibe. And I think friendship breakups or friendship changing is also something that's very like normal, you know, Like I think you're, it's hard to like let go. Well, they, they were my, they're, they're, they're my friend. But like we're all changing and we're all kind of becoming different vibes. Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

It's natural to grow up and maybe grow apart in some ways like you are becoming. You've seen each other in so many phases of life and you've made it through all of those and, and you know, you're continuing to grow and to become the women you're supposed to be like and with love and respect. Like if they're supposed to be there, they will be.

[Nicole Averlin]

And some friendships like, you know, phase out and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Sometimes grow apart. It is incredibly heartbreaking.

[Olivia Mar]

Like a friendship breakup or a friendship like kind of grow apart. That's. That shit hurts like a, like a, like a relationship breakup. Because it is, it's almost like female friendships were almost deeper sometimes than, than the certain boyfriends I've had.

[Ilona Mar]

You know what I mean?

[Olivia Mar]

Like, that is, that is tough and I feel for that. And I think women go through it all the time. People aren't who you expect them to be or who you thought they were or they changed and they're allowed to change, but maybe they're not changing the way you want them, but you can't control that. Like, you just gotta be yourself. And if you guys slot into each other's lives. But it's not easy.

[Nicole Averlin]

No, I've only, I've had one friendship breakup that really wrecked me and I've, as I said, never been in a relationship, but I was in that moment. I was like, this feels like a breakup. And it was a breakup, you know, but it was a platonic breakup and it took me years to get over. It was between high school and college. And so, you know, people always say, like, friendships will kind of break up then anyway. But this was like, there was a blow up fight and it felt like you were kind of like, like losing a part of yourself, you know?

[Olivia Mar]

Absolutely.

[Nicole Averlin]

And it was just. I still like, I think it was kind of just a situation of like time heals. And I thought about it for like years after.

[Olivia Mar]

It's the same thing as a breakup. Like, that person's no longer in your life, but you still have so much like love for them. And it's like, where do you put that love? Hello? Where do you put that love? Or like the things that you would want to tell them or like the things that's like. Because you would tell them more than you would, would maybe like a boyfriend, because they would understand it on a level that only a woman would. So. Oh, this is pressing on something over here. Holy smokes. Yeah, it's just like getting older is scary and like, it's nice to get older and have the people that have seen you in all those faces like, do that. And if like they're not, it's nice to still have people that have known you and loved you through every version of yourself. And if you don't have that anymore or in a way that you're used to or in a capacity that, that you know, you've, you've felt for a long time. That's like, that's just as hard.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

You know.

[Ilona Mar]

You'Re a pretty crier.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah, girl. No, I think it's about growing and, like, that's gonna change. Like, I do worry about that, you know, with Nicole. Like, I think our relationship will change.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

We're not gonna be together all the time. We're, you know, gonna move here, there, whatever. I'm. I hope to make more, you know, more friends and whatnot. So I. I think it. Taking action to keep. Keep those.

[Nicole Averlin]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

Relationship. But there's some that you do need to let go of.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah. Yeah. That's natural. It's hard, but maybe it's best for both of you.

[Ilona Mar]

Kiss your best friend on the mouth today.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah. Kiss him smack on the lips.

[Ilona Mar]

While Olivia dries her eyes. She first. The thing is, Olivia. Olivia loves her friends. Olivia is. I have so much love for my friends, genuinely. If you becomes Olivia's friend friends, she will spend all the time with you. She will truly, like, she wants to hang out with you. I mean, never have the boyfriend gotten in the way of that. You can have a very solid partner, and she will make time for you.

[Olivia Mar]

I think that's what it is. It's loving so much and wanting to give so much, and then, like, not necessarily not getting it back all the time, but, like, yeah, I just have a lot of love to give, so.

[Ilona Mar]

She does.

[Nicole Averlin]

She.

[Ilona Mar]

She will give a lot to her friends. And it's a. It's really a blessing to be friends with Olivia. I think anyone who gets that, I think is really. It's very nice of them. Oh, no. Oh, God, they're both crying.

[Olivia Mar]

Love, my friends.

[Ilona Mar]

Guys, we need to go into a new segment. The wind down. We need actually some wine for this. No, literally, we need actual wine.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, my God. Female friendship is so beautiful and important if you have male friends too.

[Ilona Mar]

One of her friends is a male. I don't know why she's saying yeah. Thank you.

[Nicole Averlin]

Thank you.

[Olivia Mar]

This is Adriana's worst nightmare. I'll have it. No, Cheers with us. You need to take a sip on camera. This is fun. This is why you need to be watching on YouTube. Adriana is about to drink olive juice.

[Nicole Averlin]

Cheers.

[Ilona Mar]

Cheers. Cheers. Adriana, take a sip. Take a sip. Ready?

[Olivia Mar]

This is my favorite form of content. You should see her eating an oyster. Cheers.

[Ilona Mar]

Oh, you're gonna love it.

[Nicole Averlin]

No, you're gonna love Adana.

[Olivia Mar]

Come on, be a classy bitch. Take a real sip. That's not a real fucking sip. You let it touch your lips like church.

[Ilona Mar]

I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. Thank you. Okay, whatever.

[Olivia Mar]

Double fisting for the next segment.

[Ilona Mar]

I am Double fisting over here. All right, we're gonna play perfect 10, but best friend edition. So they are perfect 10, but chronically late to everything, including things that really matter to you.

[Olivia Mar]

It's not cool to be late.

[Ilona Mar]

No, it's not. We value timely Venus.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, it's just early is on time. On time is late. Except if you're the queen of Genofia.

[Nicole Averlin]

Are you. Are you merging them alone?

[Olivia Mar]

Is merging her drinks. Hold on.

[Ilona Mar]

Keep going.

[Olivia Mar]

You don't need a triple martini right now. Can I say something about martinis? I heard this recently. Yeah, Martinis are like tits. One is not. Take a drink. Hold on. One is not enough. And three is too many.

[Ilona Mar]

Interesting herd. Cheers.

[Nicole Averlin]

I'm trying to have a four drink. Summer.

[Olivia Mar]

People are only.

[Nicole Averlin]

People are shopping at two drinks. Let's get loose. Let's have a little bit more fun.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay.

[Nicole Averlin]

We don't need to go home at 9:30.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, is this to other people or is this about you?

[Nicole Averlin]

This is me and my friends.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, there we go. There we go.

[Nicole Averlin]

So best friends. Perfect ten, but they only want two drinks.

[Ilona Mar]

Oh, yeah.

[Olivia Mar]

Negative two.

[Ilona Mar]

You know what? I don't actually understand dirty martinis.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, talk us through it. Sorry. This segment's going off the rails. We'll get back to it.

[Ilona Mar]

It's almost soup. You know what I'm saying?

[Nicole Averlin]

It's me.

[Ilona Mar]

Vodka. Do you even actually like the taste of it? I don't know if I actually like the taste of it.

[Olivia Mar]

Love the taste of it.

[Ilona Mar]

I just drink it because it's cool.

[Nicole Averlin]

You sip pickle juice?

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, sure. You got her there. It's delicious.

[Ilona Mar]

I don't know.

[Olivia Mar]

It does something to me. Okay, they're chronically late. They're perfect time.

[Ilona Mar]

But they're chronically late.

[Olivia Mar]

That's disrespect. Respectful to your time. That's not. They don't like that. Yeah, I don't like that.

[Ilona Mar]

I wouldn't be friends with that.

[Olivia Mar]

Honestly. A three.

[Ilona Mar]

I'll go five.

[Olivia Mar]

I judge people for that. Be better.

[Ilona Mar]

Maybe they're a really good time when they get there.

[Olivia Mar]

I don't care.

[Nicole Averlin]

7. And Leah, I need you to figure it out.

[Olivia Mar]

Oh, we're naming names. She's had one sip of a martini. She's coming for all of you.

[Ilona Mar]

She's messed up. Okay, perfect 10. Best friend. But they get jealous when you have other close friends.

[Olivia Mar]

That's possessive and not okay, me.

[Ilona Mar]

They're still 10. I don't know what the problem.

[Olivia Mar]

That's interesting. Actually, maybe 11.

[Nicole Averlin]

11.

[Ilona Mar]

I think that when you're first becoming friends. It can be like maybe you. You're not sure of your placement.

[Olivia Mar]

Right.

[Ilona Mar]

But I think you have to like also come to terms with it's good to have other people in your life. And also you kind of should have that conversation of where you are at. Like, you know, how do we. You know what, how do we feel about. It's not like. It's almost like you're dating. Dating.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

You with your best friend. It's like you're dating. You have to figure out what. What this is. What is this? What are we.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah, you can't be. But you can't be toxic and can't.

[Ilona Mar]

Be talking about it.

[Olivia Mar]

Don't do that. Don't do that. So four. Five. I was four out five for me dry.

[Nicole Averlin]

Well, I don't know if I have this many opinions on it. I'm sorry, I want to say 8.

[Olivia Mar]

I've had possessive friendships. So.

[Nicole Averlin]

Okay, maybe I have haven't had something like that.

[Ilona Mar]

That's okay.

[Nicole Averlin]

Maybe I hold off on answering until I ever do.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, so we'll circle back, guys.

[Nicole Averlin]

After she how many years. Maybe I am the possessive friend as well. I've told I can be alone as.

[Olivia Mar]

Eating her garnishes everyone.

[Nicole Averlin]

Hey, she's got another glass though.

[Olivia Mar]

Okay, I'm gonna read this. Perfect 10 best friend. But. But they bring their poorly trained dog to every hang. The dog's hair gets on everything.

[Nicole Averlin]

2.

[Olivia Mar]

You already know how we feel.

[Ilona Mar]

So I was bit by dogs a couple times. I got bit one time like on the eye. It was just like a dog barking, having fun and then he like all of a sudden jumped out and bit me. And then I don't remember the other time. I just remember being bit. So like I get very scared of dogs and so when like dogs come up and like if I love a very calm, well trained puppy, but if it's a very dog that's gonna jump on me, I just remember this dog was jumping on me and then all of a sudden it went and bit me. So I just don' trusted. I think we have this idea that everybody just loves dogs. And I like dogs, but I like well trained dogs. I'm just. I get scared around them. I think it's okay to feel that way, but also you have to give people that space too.

[Olivia Mar]

Yeah.

[Ilona Mar]

And not assume that everybody's gonna just love your puppy.

[Nicole Averlin]

That's heavy.

[Ilona Mar]

Who knows what's happened in their past.

[Olivia Mar]

When I walk into like a cafe or something and there's a dog in there and the Owner just lets it. Like one of those extension leashes just come right up to you and start jumping on you. I'm like. I act like to like. Like, I. It's dramatic. Like when somebody's smoking near you on the street and you're like, yeah, like, that's me with, like, a dog that's jumping in an establishment. I'm like, don't. Like. No, that's not an okay reaction, you know?

[Ilona Mar]

Yeah. And it's not, as you said, it's not reflection on the dog. It's the owners, too. Like, they're. People get puppies and then don't train them. Well. Like, this is another life. It's another life that you have to take care of. You have to train, you have to take big responsibility.

[Olivia Mar]

I can't wait to have a dog. But I want to be in a place in life when I can give.

[Ilona Mar]

It the best life.

[Olivia Mar]

It.

[Ilona Mar]

The best life.

[Olivia Mar]

Train it, give it a good home, be walking. We're outside, like, all that stuff. So. Yeah. So what's the answer? 2. 2. 3. 3. 3.

[Nicole Averlin]

Best friend. But they have a bird. 1. My best friend Alyssa had birds growing up.

[Olivia Mar]

People with birds are a different breed. They think, what is the bird point? They throw blankets over the cage so they. But they still, like, sense you. What? Why would you want that in your house?

[Ilona Mar]

But birds are meant to fly, too. Fly. And they're stuck in a cage like that.

[Olivia Mar]

You're going to cage them and they're. You monster.

[Nicole Averlin]

They're tweeting all the time.

[Olivia Mar]

I was bit by a bird. I lost something once.

[Nicole Averlin]

There's a swan.

[Olivia Mar]

She was chased by it at a zoo. Montreal.

[Nicole Averlin]

Oh, God. And then the next time we visited the zoo, a parrot shit on me. I just don't like birds. Sorry.

[Olivia Mar]

Alona hates birds, too. Hate them.

[Nicole Averlin]

I'm constantly in New York when a pigeon Fly. Duncan.

[Olivia Mar]

Pigeons are a sad story, though, guys.

[Ilona Mar]

They are. We.

[Olivia Mar]

I love pigeons.

[Ilona Mar]

We.

[Olivia Mar]

We got rid of them when they stopped being useful to us, which is very sad.

[Ilona Mar]

Bad.

[Olivia Mar]

So they weren't made to be in the wild. That's why their nests look like shit. Those little. They're domesticated completely. They don't know how to be in the wild.

[Nicole Averlin]

You know, what I learned is that those tiny little birds in New York are, like, invasive. And they're from everywhere.

[Ilona Mar]

I believe it. Which birds?

[Nicole Averlin]

The little tiny ones. At least that's what my friend Kevin told me.

[Olivia Mar]

So in Amsterdam, Vondelpark, which is like their Central park, there's a shit ton of parrots because people kept getting them as pets and they're a lot. So then they would release them into the wild. So now there's wild populations of parrots in Amsterdam.

[Nicole Averlin]

Can they survive the winner?

[Olivia Mar]

They apparently do. Yeah.

[Nicole Averlin]

So I guess not a super harsh winner.

[Olivia Mar]

Well, that was fun, guys. Thank you for joining us for another perfect 10 but best friend edition.

[Ilona Mar]

Somebody's watching with their dog on the.

[Olivia Mar]

Couch, their bird on the corner going, hey, what the. What the. Anyway, do you have some topics you want us to debate on the show? Please submit them to us so we can. We can debate them. We like talking about. About stuff, obviously. But make sure you comment on YouTube or DM us @houseofmar.

[Nicole Averlin]

Thanks so much for coming over to House of Mar A Wave Original.

[Ilona Mar]

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[Olivia Mar]

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[Nicole Averlin]

Don't forget to put a blanket over the birdcage before the sun sets. So.

[Olivia Mar]

And remember. And remember, it's a full bush summer.

[Nicole Averlin]

Cheers, everyone.

[Ilona Mar]

Full bush summer.

[Olivia Mar]

Get out of this. Get out of our house. We got martinis. Drink.