Ilona's Green Flags & Rugby Confessions w/ Her Idol Portia Woodman-Wickliffe

Summary

House of Maher Podcast Summary

Episode: Ilona's Green Flags & Rugby Confessions w/ Her Idol Portia Woodman-Wickliffe
Host: Ilona Maher (with guest Portia Woodman-Wickliffe)
Release Date: March 31, 2026

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Brief Overview

In this lively, heartfelt episode of House of Maher, Olympic rugby star Ilona Maher rides “solo lolo” before welcoming her rugby idol, Portia Woodman-Wickliffe. The episode dives deep into sisterhood, athleticism, what makes a good partner (Ilona’s “green flags”), and the unique culture of women’s rugby. Listeners are treated to never-before-shared stories about Portia’s career, love life, overcoming injuries, and the Maori values underpinning New Zealand’s sporting excellence—all with the raw humor, sincerity, and playful energy that define Ilona.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Getting to Know Ilona – Extroversion & Authenticity

• Ilona on Being an Extrovert: Ilona opens up about her “need to yap,” recounting stories of chatting up strangers in elevators and even running seven miles with a stranger in Central Park.
  • Quote: “There's a demon in me that tells me every time you need to talk to that person, you've got to say something… I just be yapping guys, I have to yap.” (03:21)
• Theme of Human Connection: Ilona encourages listeners to “put yourself out there,” highlighting how openness can lead to memorable, even life-changing, relationships and moments.

2. Ilona’s Green Flags (What She Looks for in a Partner)

• Planning & Initiative: Ilona discusses the importance of a partner who makes plans, recalling a standout date where someone took charge of the details.
  • Quote: “Nobody else takes control. Somebody else, like, plan it out for me… If you can just plan that for me, you're halfway there.” (07:31)
• Mission for Listeners: She urges people to “start planning dates” and value each other’s time.

3. Welcoming Portia Woodman-Wickliffe – Rugby’s GOAT

• Barbie Connections & Family: Both athletes have personalized Barbie dolls.
• Retirement & New Adventures: Portia shares her transition to retirement, enjoying “mundane” family life, and surprising Ilona by revealing she’s set for a boxing match.
  • Quote: “Having your wife as your coach can be a little bit hard… But I’ve really enjoyed the process.” (10:19)

4. Rugby Icons on Respect, Fearlessness, and Legacy

• Respect All, Fear None: Both discuss playing with and against each other.
  • Ilona: “For me, I'm like, yeah, but yeah, she's the best player in the world.”
  • Portia: “I remember… you just showed no fear. You carried the ball like 50 meters down the sideline and everyone was struggling to tackle you. I looked up to you then, too.” (13:05-13:35)
• Entering Rugby: Portia shares her journey from netball and sprinting to rugby at 21, emphasizing the unique camaraderie and love of the sport beyond just competition.
• Running Philosophy: Portia runs on “fear” of getting hurt, while Ilona seeks to improve her own style.

5. Portia’s Love Story – Falling in Love on the Road

• Meeting Her Wife: Portia fell in love with teammate Renee during rugby travels, despite concerns about team dynamics and external perceptions.
  • Quote: “It was hard... people trying to pull us apart… but it made me really sure of myself.” (19:40–22:18)
• Coming Out: Portia discusses the challenges and her “couldn’t care less” attitude towards outside opinions or potential brand fallout.
  • Quote: “For me it was kind of like, oh, well, I love this person and I'm gonna be with this person and if you like it, cool. If you don't, then be on your way.” (23:40)
• Teammates as Rivals: Both candidly laugh about being put head-to-head by coaches and resolving it all over “chicken and KFC.”

6. Female Athlete Authenticity—Sport, Makeup, and Stereotypes

• Uplifting Each Other: Portia and Ilona reflect on supporting each other’s successes, on and off the field.
  • Portia: “No matter what space you step into, you are your authentic self… that is exactly what I love.” (27:10)
• Changing Perceptions: Both push back on stereotypes—Portia about wearing makeup and lashes on the field, and Ilona about being “the lipstick girl.”
  • Quote: “I want to look pretty on the field. Like, why can't I wear these lashes that hurt my eyes and flutter around... But it made me feel confident.” (51:12)

7. Rugby Culture – Maori Values & the Haka

• Team Mana: Portia explains that the Black Ferns’ enduring culture and unity are grounded in Maori principles—Manaakitanga (hospitality), Whanaungatanga (connection), Aroha (love).
  • Quote: “Manaakitanga… is about how you treat people when they come into your environment.” (32:58)
• Belonging as a Superpower: “My superpower is to be Maori. That, to me, is the reason why I have the gifts I've been given.”
• The Haka: Portia educates listeners about haka’s significance as a ritual of challenge and celebration, how it’s used in rugby, and the honor of leading it.
  • “It's a beautiful way to be well them… a haka can be performed in so many different beautiful situations…” (37:13-40:23)

8. The Global Rugby Sisterhood

• Opponents/Friends: Both celebrate rugby’s contrast—brutal competition on the field, immediate camaraderie after.
  • Portia: “We travel to a tournament… after the tournament we have a really good time sharing stories and having the yarn… It’s not this rivalry…” (41:59)
• Cultural Exchange: Ilona reflects on learning from other national teams; Portia notes the explosion of grassroots interest after landmark tournaments.

9. Growth of Women’s Rugby

• From Empty Stadiums to 60,000+ Crowds: Both reflect emotionally on the sport’s massive growth, brought home during Portia’s final World Cup at Twickenham.
  • Portia: “It was pure joy… In the early stages, there was nobody that turned up to stadiums… So, you know, it made me really, really emotional. Just really proud to see how far the game has come.” (48:51)
• Challenges & Opportunities: Portia discusses barriers and the importance of visible pathways for young girls entering the sport.

10. Fun, Rapid-Fire “Try Hard” Segment (51:24)

• Portia doesn’t drink coffee; prefers lemon honey ginger tea.
• Cherished possession: painting with her and wife’s Black Ferns jerseys.
• Must-try in NZ: “Pies. Steak and cheese pies… all the pies…” (52:43)
• American go-tos: In-N-Out Burger, Mexican food.
• Best post-game drinks: Vodka lemon-lime bitters or bourbon & cola.
• Favorite tour night out: Vegas Olympics afterparty, and legendary bars in France.
• Connections across teams—Fijian, Irish, Japanese, USA—are the best part of the rugby life.

11. Closing Friendship and Next Steps

• Ilona teases about missing the game and possibly returning:
  • “I'm gonna go back. I'm going back, Portia. I miss it. I'll be there… hopefully play in, you know, a home Olympics. That'd be pretty cool.” (56:34–57:10)
• On Portia possibly un-retiring:
  • “You’re not allowed to come out of retirement. I swear to god, if I see you on that list, I'm done. I'm pissed.”
• Both will reunite soon at the Hong Kong Sevens.

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamped Highlights

• On Human Connection:
  • “Honestly, I think life’s more fun when you chit chat... Everything’s on the edge of cringe.” – Ilona (05:30)
• On Planning & Respect in Dating:
  • “Somebody who takes initiative… is just a sign of respect.” – Ilona (07:23)
• On Overcoming Injury:
  • "When I heard the pop... Looked around, thought someone had kicked me... That was a big deal." – Portia (30:00)
• On Cultural Identity:
  • “I’m proud to be Maori. That, to me, is my superpower.” – Portia (33:55)
• On Coming Out:
  • “For me, it was kind of like, oh, well, I love this person and I’m gonna be with this person and if you like it, cool. If you don’t, then be on your way.” – Portia (23:40)
• On Rugby’s Growth:
  • “In the early stages, there was nobody… now, there’s 60,000… made me really, really emotional.” – Portia (48:52)
• On Makeup & Self-Expression:
  • “It allows people to just express themselves… why can’t I wear these lashes that hurt my eyes and flutter around when I’m on the pitch?” – Portia (51:12)

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• 00:40 – Ilona’s extroversion stories; life begins at “edge of cringe”
• 06:45 – Ilona’s “green flags” and dating philosophy
• 08:32 – Portia enters; Barbie connection
• 09:06 – Portia on retirement, family life, and boxing
• 13:05 – Portia on early competition vs Ilona; mutual admiration
• 15:40 – Portia’s path to rugby, the spirit of the team
• 19:40 – Portia’s love story, coming out, and team challenges
• 32:58 – The backbone of Black Ferns culture: Maori values
• 37:13 – The meaning of the haka and its place in rugby
• 41:59 – Rugby’s unique international camaraderie and sisterhood
• 47:34 – Women’s rugby: packed stadiums, rising stars, and inspiring the next generation
• 51:24 – “Try Hard” segment (favorite foods, traditions, celebrations)
• 56:34 – Ilona’s return hints; playful rivalry, future competitions

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Tone & Language

The episode is characterized by warmth, playful banter, candid confessions, and the authentic voices of two trailblazing women. Both Ilona and Portia are relatable and unfiltered, balancing humor with insights into serious issues like identity, resilience, and the fight for visibility in women’s sports.

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Final Word

Whether you’re a rugby fan or new to the sport, this episode provides laughter, wisdom, and genuine inspiration—offering honest glimpses into extraordinary lives shaped by family, culture, courage, and unbreakable sisterhoods.

Transcript

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Soon, people will doomscroll you. Expedia, the one place you go to go places. Terms apply. I am riding solo today. It's solo lolo. Say that three times fast. Solo lolo. Solo lolo. Solo lolo. I just be yapping guys, I have to yap. We have to put ourselves out there more. I was running in Central park and me and this Lyn lady converged. We verged because I wanted to keep yapping. What's wrong with this person? Go talk to somebody today. Hello everyone. I am Ilona Mar. You might know me from Dancing with the stars, the Olympics TikTok Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover. I've won an ESPY. I have a Barbie doll. I've done many campaigns. I've been on Forbes 39 under 30. I am also still single so you riddle me that one. I'm not sure how that's happening, but I'm on the hunt. We'll see. I am writing solo today. It's solo lolo. My producer came up with that. Very, very smart. You're probably like why does she look like so beautiful right now? I am in full beat and a full glam because I'm going to the Hannah Montana premiere tonight and I wanted to add some sparkles to my eyes. So check that out on YouTube if you want a full, full picture of me. Just absolutely gorgeous. I am hosting House of March today a Wave original presented by Intuit Turbo Tax. Now that's taxes. And also this is a reminder. Go get Your taxes done. Seriously, it's going to come sooner than you think and then it will not be fun. If you are rushing to get that done, I want you to get to know me a little bit better. I mean, you know me as Rugby, but that's just a small part of me. And so this is my chance to just share. For example, I made a video about this recently, but I am a grade A extrovert. I just be yapping guys, I have to yap. There's a demon in me that tells me every time you need to talk to that person, you've got to say something. If it's just you and me in an elevator, I. I need to say that weather out there, huh? Pretty hot. Why? You know, just. We can both just ride in silence. For example, if you're walking on an opposite direction, I will do the classic white man. And then I will say, beautiful, isn't it? Be careful back there. Gets a little steep. I don't know what it is, it's just something in me. I love to interact, I love to meet people, I love to get to know things about them. One time I was running in Central park and me and this lady converged or we dive diverged or converged, one of those. But we verged. I started running with her and we ran, I'm not lying, for seven miles, the longest I've ever run at an eight minute 30 second mile pace. Because I wanted to keep yapping, I want to keep chatting to her. We talked about her life, we talked about her kids, her husband's husband's. I think she just has one husband, her husband. We talked about me. She did know me. So I will say being famous is good for extroverts because a lot of people want to talk to you. So if you like talking to people, get famous, then everybody wants to talk to you. It works out like a dream. That's my idea of a good time. Honestly. I honestly think life's more fun when you chit chat. I think that talking to strangers and, you know, taking the plunges can lead to so many experiences and memories. It can be awkward at times, it can even be embarrassing. You're going to say weird stuff. Sometimes they're not going to like you. Sometimes they're going to give you a look like what's wrong with this person? That's okay, you might have missed that one. But there'll be others. But I think that we have to put ourselves out there more. Especially in this age of maybe social media and only speaking through a Screen, take the chance, Say hi to the random person in the elevator. Don't go run after somebody, I would say, but if you somehow happen to run side by side together, ask them about their life. We are missing that sometimes that human interaction, that human connection. And even if you're an introvert, go out there, do it. Everything's on the the edge of cringe. What do they say, every life begins at the end of cringe or something? Or life begins at the end of your comfort zone. Go talk to somebody today. Ask them about the weather. That's always good. Coming up on today's show, I'm sitting down with one of the women I admire most, frankly. She's the best rugby player of all time, Portia Woodman Wycliffe. And you should all know that you're going to hear from Alona the athlete. And we'll talk about the wildest game she and I have ever played together. We're also going to get all into the juicy details of her insane and beautiful real life romance. She fell in love with her teammate on the road to the World Cup. And that brings me to a brand new segment I like to call Green Flag. Plenty of people have shared their red flags. Let's shine a little light on what we do. Like, specifically what I like. We talk a lot about what we don't want in a partner and it's all very valid, but I'm here to share some things that I do want and I think maybe you all could want as well. A green flag that I have is a man who makes plans. I am somebody who takes control often and I'm always planning stuff and I'm always, okay, we'll do this here and then do you want me to come pick you up and we'll, we'll go here? All right. I got us reservation for this time. And I think sometimes I don't let somebody else take control. Somebody else, like plan it out for me. I recently went on a date with a guy and he's like, no, I'll pick the restaurant. I'll set a time, I'll come over to you and do you want me to get a car service for you? And when I heard all of that, I was halfway in love with him. I think that it's something so simple. But somebody who takes initiative, who is forethought, has a lot of forethought into like a good date, who plans ahead and shows that they value your time and, and what you're about to do. So I really, I think that planning A date, well, is just a sh. Sign of respect also for who you're about to go on a date with.

[B]

Really.

[A]

My dream day also is just like a good reservation at a restaurant and a bottle of wine. If you can just plan that for me, you're halfway there. That's my green flag. So let's start planning dates. People start saying, let's meet here at this time. I've made the reservation. Do you want me to pick you up? You want me an Uber? Are you going to drive yourself and then confirm on the day? Green flag. Listen up, team. This is a big one. I'm about to introduce you to one of my favorite rugby players. She's a two time rugby World cup champion, a three time Olympic medalist, and she holds the all time record for the most tries in New Zealand test rugby history. More than any man or woman ever. That's a lot of tries. She has her own gorgeous Barbie, complete with her signature atomical, and is known globally as the undisputed queen of the rugby field. And that's undisputed. Welcome to the family. The goat herself, Portia Woodman Wickliffe. Yeah, welcome. I see you brought your Barbie. There's mine.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh my God. She's beautiful.

[B]

She's great. It's just there's a lot of kids that love to play with her, so she, she gets, you know, she's getting well played with. I don't know about yours.

[A]

No, I don't have many kids around. Does your daughter play with her?

[B]

No, not my daughter, just my nieces and nephews. Like, we've got a lot, a lot of siblings with a lot of kids, so she's enjoying her time out from them.

[A]

Right. Your daughter's like, I have the real one. It's fine she's here.

[B]

I care less about the real one.

[A]

How's it been? How's retirement been?

[B]

I've enjoyed it. I've really, really enjoyed hanging out with my girls. You know, most days I drop them off to work, drop them off to school, making dinners, cleaning, doing like really mundane things that I probably never got to do throughout the season, but I've really enjoyed it. And there's like been bits and bobs of other opportunities popping up as well, but I've really, really enjoyed being home with my girls.

[A]

How does your body feel? Does it. Do you miss being tackled? Do you want to get out there again? Not at all.

[B]

No, not at all. I'm sore just waking up, so I can't even imagine like getting out on the field or like Doing anything else, but you wouldn't believe it. I've got a boxing fight this weekend too.

[A]

Just. You're boxing now? Yeah. Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Who's your opponent?

[B]

Actually, I don't know that yet because we find out tomorrow night. We find out tomorrow night. I think she's. All I've heard is that she's had a couple fights previously.

[A]

Now, are you, like, skillfully trained or are you just going to go in with just a raw passion, wanting to, to just throw some punches? Like, what's happening? I mean, you're, you're wife's a boxer as well. Has she been helping? Are we. How are we feeling?

[B]

Yeah, no, it's. It's been a journey and I think having your wife as your coach can be a little bit hard. You know, like in everyday life, you. It's okay to be around, but in boxing and I feel Gumby, like, I. I feel completely out of my comfort zone. And so to have your, your coach be your wife and tell you what to do, you're like, I don't want to listen to you. So it's been interesting, but I've really, really enjoyed the process, you know, like understanding it as a sport rather than just this really violent, violent piece of, I guess I know, action. But it's been cool. I've. I'm really looking forward to it. I've done all this technical stuff in the past, but who knows? When I get into the ring, I'll probably just come into a brawler or I'll just go sit in the corner and cry. There's two ways where I could go. Would you?

[A]

There's only two ways. I don't know if I would, mostly because my mom would not be happy about it, but I would love to do. I like to do like fun classes, boxes.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. Those are fun.

[A]

You get in there, you hit that bag. Yeah, yeah. Get some anger out. It's perfect. Well, let's get right into tea time. It's brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. Portia, I'm so glad to have you here. I have been a fan of you for so long, even before I started playing the Sevens. And people always ask me kind of like what it's like to play you and the mindset you have to go, have to have going into play you. And I always have to bring up this quote that I love is respect all, fear none. Because I think for me, I'm like, yeah, but yeah, she's the best player in the world.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, like I. I think there could be an easy bit to fear there. But to me, I have just this absolute respect for you. How has it been, I guess, like, being this icon now of rugby? Has it been hard to take that step away or do you still feel like rugby has given you, I guess, so much, even though you're now retired from it?

[B]

Rugby has given me absolutely everything. A wife, best friends, an amazing lifestyle, opportunities that I probably never would have been able to experience, without a doubt. But I guess I will always be involved with rugby in some capacity. My wife is the coach. I'm probably not so much the coach, but I'd love to get amongst TV commentary, all those sort of things. Panel work. I want to be in and involved in and around rugby if I can. You know, I'm from a small town in the north, north, north of New Zealand here, and I would love to give back to the community there, help the pathway, help, you know, grassroots rugby. But it's funny you say that, you know, how people would see me as this greatest rugby player, but I remember playing against you and you just showed no fear. And I think it was one of my earlier tournaments that we played against each other was Colorado 2018.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just was like, this girl is so strong. And I remember, I think we played against you and you just were fearless. I think you carried the ball like 50 meters down the sideline and everyone was just struggling to tackle you. So from that moment on, it was like, Alona Mar is just this amazing, strong female athlete. And I just was. I looked up to you then, too, because you just showed no fear. And it was amazing to. To watch that. And for someone who is so new to rugby who just came out and just smashed it, I loved it.

[A]

So that was my heyday. That was a great tournament. I remember, I. Because you guys didn't know who I was yet, so I got out there, I was able to stiff arm off Michaela Bly, and I'm like, we are the best player ever. And then the next tournament after everyone was, like, stopping me, I said, okay, so you've got to get better. You cannot stay where you are. When did you get into rugby? Because you started as a sprinter, right? Yeah.

[B]

So track and field was my sport when I was younger through to about 16, 17, when. And then I played netball. Do you stow netball?

[A]

We don't do netball here. We just. I know it. We just do basketball.

[B]

Oh, yeah. So nipple became my, like, my main sport because it was the only, like, female sport that had a lifestyle Here in New Zealand, Aotearoa. So I was, I wanted to be a silver for a really long time. And then when like sevens became an Olympic sport, I think it was announced in like 2011. A year later, New Zealand rugby set up this program called Go for gold in the 2016 Rio Olympics. And I jumped on it. I was still playing netball at the time, but I jumped on this opportunity. I was like, yeah, Olympics has been a dream of mine. Like always wanted to be at the Olympics, Obviously when I was younger, I wanted to be like the fastest woman in the world. That doesn't happen. Not many New Zealanders get to the Olympics for sprinting. So when I saw this opportunity to be, you know, potentially go to the Olympics, I jumped on it. And in those early stages, there was no money, no support, not a lot around, and I just loved it. But it was more than just the sport I think I fell in love with. I think you know this as well, the people, right? It's the connection, it's the environment, it's the, the changing sheds or it's the bus rides to the fields or to the trainings. And those are the moments that I fell in love with. And then this game happened to be 100 meter long sprint where I get to run over and through and around people. And I think that's what drew me into it was just the people and the excitement of the game. And I started when I was 21, so I was a little bit older than what you have now, but still kind of young when I think about it.

[A]

No, that is crazy. And also, what do you think about when you run? Because the, you guys need to look up clips of Portia, the way that she runs with a certain. Like, you're gonna get to that try line and no one's gonna stop you. I think the high knees you are because you, when we played you last, you, you scored seven tries. Tough. But what, what are you, what's going through your head? I'm doing this more so I can learn. You tell me so I can learn.

[B]

Oh, to be honest, it's, it's fear. I don't want to get hurt. I don't want to get stopped. And so it's like I've, I've got to run away from these people. It sounds stupid, honestly, every time I like. You can't be serious. But it's, it's fear. I, I want to run away from people. I don't want to get hurt. And I think I'm probably. Yeah, but of a not as not as confident in myself that I just like, I got to get somewhere, so it's just got to get there. In those early years, it was very much just catch and run as fast as I and hard as I can. And later on it was I'm not as fast as I am or I used to be. So I've got to try and do everything I can, whether it's running and carrying a few people or running over people or something like that. So I don't know. But you do that too. You. You smash. I don't think you need any help with it.

[A]

No, I'm. I'm still learning myself. I don't know what it is because my thing is you also have a little step on you. I'm more of a just go through person. So once I get my step down, it's over. Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna better.

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[B]

Yeah. So how did that. It was 2013, so before, before we even like got together, before we were even hanging out like that, I just thought she was the funniest person ever. Like literally everything she said I was in fits of laughter. And we went to, we're going to Amsterdam 2013 and she was there. My mum met us at the airport or my mom dropped me off at the airport and I was like, mom, I really want to meet you. Oh, I really want you to meet this person. Her name's Renee. She's so funny but she's had such a hard upbringing, like all these sort of things. I was like, mum, meet this girl. And I introduced him. It kind of felt awkward. I don't know why, but it kind of felt awkward. But she was just a friend at the time and I just thought she was the funniest person. And so we start hanging out, we start talking more and then I'm like, I think I. I think I really like you. And then it just kind of led that way. And yeah, obviously I'd never been with a girl before. I had a boyfriend previously and so hanging out with a girl, it just kind of was like talking to a best friend was just like having a best mate around all the time. And it was hard in those early stages because not everyone likes the idea of your of play teammates being together, you know, causing problem within the team. You know, if you break up, what happens then? Is it going to be a bit awkward? Is it going to cause disruption within the team. So it was a little bit hard, people trying to, I guess, pull us apart or trying to, you know, sit us down and be like, do you think this is a good idea? Is this going to help you get to the Olympics? What's going to happen here? So it was a little bit hard, but, you know, I wouldn't have it any other way because it's made us stronger. It made me really sure that I loved her because. Yeah. That I have to make this really hard decision. I had to make this decision that do I love her enough to potentially put things on the line, if that makes sense. You know, like, selection into the team. Coach is not picking me because they don't want us on this, on the team, together. All these sort of things, it made me really sure of myself, which was a beautiful moment. And the hardest part was probably around my mum. Like, she had a really traditional view of a relationship and she had this idea that she wanted me to be with a black friend, with an all Black. Sorry. My mom wanted me to be with an all black and to have, like, an easy lifestyle and. And to have that kind of stuff. I think I went even better. Like, I had a Blackburn. She's. She's won. I think she had won two World Cups or World cup at that time.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, like, I thought, why not? She. She did it. She's. She's amazing. And so took a little bit of convincing for her to come around, but I'm really proud of the fact that I was able to, you know, sit down and talk to her and tell her how important this person is. I'm absolutely sure of myself, otherwise I wouldn't be doing this. And it kind of made me stronger, you know, that. That moment, having a conversation with my mom made me stronger. And now, honestly, they're like twos and peas in a pod. They're both Geminis. I don't know how the relevance of that. I don't really get into star signs, but it just so happens that they're both Geminis and they have the same emotional variety. And it's just beautiful now because they get along so well. And just the two of us, we're very different, but have the same values, and I'm really grateful for it. I couldn't imagine someone who's like. I couldn't imagine having someone the same outgoingness as me and me or her being with someone just as quiet. So I think we're perfectly different, but perfectly aligned as well.

[A]

How was it coming out at that time or when did you fully come out and like, was it, you know, I am straight, I haven't had to come out. But was it like tough for you in the media still being in New Zealand, a star and like, how did you, I guess do it and when did you feel like it was time to.

[B]

Yeah, it was, it was strange. But in my mind I didn't like, you know, when you're straight, you don't really have to come out. So I was like, well, it doesn't really matter to me. So I'm just like, right, right, I'm with this person, what's the problem? And then came conversations like, do you think this is going to help you with your brands? Like what if you, you know, you, you want to get a big brand and they don't agree with you being in a same sex relationship? Or don't you think fans are not going to like you because you're in a same sex relationship? Like, these are the comments that came around, right? I really didn't pay any attention to it. I was like, well, if they don't like me and they don't like that part of me, then so be it. If a big brand doesn't like that I'm in a same sex relationship, then it's not meant to be. And for me it was kind of like, oh, well, I love this person and I'm gonna be with this person and if you like it, cool. If you don't, then be on your way. But it was, there were moments within the team environment that kind of made it a bit difficult. And the coach particularly probably didn't like that I, that we were in a relationship purely because of the team dynamics, that it could disrupt whatever, you know, if there's a breakup and things like that, like I said, but in the whole, I couldn't care less what anyone thought.

[A]

I love that. I think that's awesome. And also. Is it. Don't you guys play the same position too? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So that, that got a little bit. Yeah, that got a little bit awkward a couple times.

[A]

I mean, hey, you know what, making each other better. I would say if man's ever tackled me as I was about to score a try, I would hate him. But. But you learned it makes you stronger, I guess.

[B]

Yeah, it definitely does. And there were times like we would have black friends. 15 trials and this one game, I swear they didn't, they didn't tell us about it prior to the actual names coming out, but they put us against each other on the same wing and we Both looked at each other and go, bro, what are we going to do? And I remember getting the ball and I look up and she's in front of me and she's laughing. I'm laughing. I go to step and kind of like, you know, I guess bump her. Bump her off a little bit. And then she's already falling over and laughing and crying. And I'm just like, you made that worse. And I'm trying to, like, run past, like, you made that way worse than

[A]

it needed to be.

[B]

And then on the way home, we, like, had to drive home from camp, and it was like, I was driving and I was like, do you want kfc? She's like, yeah.

[A]

And then. And then it was fine over chicken. And then you kiss and you made up and it's okay.

[B]

Totally. Chicken makes it so much better. But it did get a little bit awkward.

[A]

No, no doubt. I've had the pleasure of meeting Renee a couple times. Every time, she's like, hey, how are you? She's very. She's so nice. She's like, I love what you've done for the game. Like, thank you so much, Renee.

[B]

That means so much to me.

[A]

She's really just. She's like such a big supporter of you now that she doesn't really play. She's at all the game. She's. I. When we were in the recent game, we played each other, I got to see her. So it's just so cool to see, like, though she's not in it, she's such a big supporter of you, wants you to succeed as well. And also, I mean, both. You are just such fans of rugby in general, and I love fans of mine. I think there was one time we were in Santa Monica, we were somewhere after LA tournament, and you were like, I just got to stop you. You have done so much. You are so great. So even, like, hearing that from yourself, the goat, I'm like, oh, man. Like, I love that I'm affecting even the people who I look up to so much. It's. It's because I just. Again, from our first tournament to now, I'm really proud of it.

[B]

Well, you've. You've done amazing things, and I. I appreciate everything. Like, you know, you. You are your authentic self. And there's something that we always talk about, right? Like, no matter what space you step into, you are your authentic self. Wherever we see you on TV in these situations, or on the rug or at the bar after the game, like, you are who you are. And that is exactly what I love and you bring people in you. You appreciate them for who they are, and you create. You tell stories in such beautiful ways. Even how you post so many tiktoks. I'm just like, you're so creative. How do you do it all?

[A]

You're amazing. The TikTok we did in New Zealand did so well together. Totally remember the one where I was like. Because Portia retired like, last year, and then she came back for the World cup. And I was like, what the heck? So I was like, hey, I have this idea. Let's do this thing where you push me out of the way. And it, like, went pretty viral. People loved it. I was like, you know what I think? And then people were commenting, like, wow, rugby's gone downhill or something. But I think that's what's special also about the women's game, is the way that we can interact with each other and uplift each other. Because though, you know, we're friends and we can have such conversation on the field, we are going out there to buck shit up, to beat you up. And, I mean, I think during that last game together, it was you versus me. I was like, don't worry, guys, I'm getting her. Don't worry this time, guys, I'm gonna stop her. And I think I made there. Every time you score a try, I'm somewhere around you trying to pull you, or I'm like, just an inch too late, but I'm so close. Every time, every time I got the

[B]

ball and look up, there's alone.

[A]

I was like, damn it, girl, you're everywhere. I've like, I've played you so much. So I, like, slightly knew what she was gonna do. Like, when I was playing against Stacy Walker, I slight. I was like, o. Okay, Stacy's gonna step back in this time. So I slightly do. So I was like, don't worry, guys. And there's one picture image of me actually physically pushing my team out of the way because I knew that I could overtake her to take you down. God, I was putting in. I was putting it in a shift there. That was a tough game. I wanna actually hear more about. I remember back in. It was maybe 2019 or something. You. I mean, with rugby comes so many injuries, and we. We have to learn how to deal with it. But I remember you did your Achilles like it was before the Tokyo games, and we were all like, holy. Like, frick. Like, Porsche might not be able to make the games, and then the games were postponed. I think I always think about that. I'm like, wow, like, something's just happened for a reason or whatever it is, like, for you to. To injury and after also, like, real games. Can you talk to me about that and how that felt to as injuries and how you progress to get back to the Tokyo Games and win a gold medal?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

The.

[B]

Though that year I did my Achilles, it was, like, really hard because I hadn't really experienced anything that significant before. I think my previous biggest injury was, like, my back or something. And that took. Took me out of the game for maybe four months, so not too bad. But this one, I knew instantly when I heard the pop. Looked around, thought someone had kicked me or something. That's the telltale sign of an Achilles tendon rupture, right? Is that you look around, think someone's kicked you in the back of your leg, and there was no one there. I knew instantly. I was like, oh. And then I rolled around on the ground crying with my leg up in there. Like, I look back and I'm like, you're such a little soot. You're such a baby. Why'd you cry like that? But it was more of the reflection that I'm going to be out for, like, 12 months. This is a big deal. And knowing it was the end of 2018, heading into, excuse me, 2019, the Olympics was two, three years away. This is going to be a big push to get back. And it just kind of dawned on me that there was such a big task to come back for it. And there are moments throughout that journey. I think the hardest part was I was out of the moon boot. I was back into walking, and I could do some stuff out on the field. And I was on the field watching the girls train, but I wasn't close enough to train with him. Those were the moments when I kind of figured, man, I'm still ages away, and I haven't even started running with them yet, let alone, you know, being out on the field and being in contention for the team heading to the Olympics. And, man, it was wild. It was such a wild time. But I. I'm extremely grateful for my friends Sarah and Kelly. The day I did it, they brought me home, set me on the ground with my. They bought my mattress out into the lounge, set me on the bed, bought me my ice cream and chocolate, and set up the movies and stuff for me. I wouldn't have been able to. To survive that injury if it wasn't for my support group. My wife at the time, she was away playing in Chicago, I think, for Black Ferns. So she was. She didn't get back for, like, another two. Two weeks. So it's just me. I stayed home with my mum and dad. Like, it was just this really wild time. But getting back to Tokyo, I was so grateful that it got postponed a year, right?

[A]

Like, because I remember seeing. I actually remember the video of you doing your Achilles because nobody was around and you put on your story. And I was like, that's crazy. And then I was like, oh, my gosh, she might miss the Olympics. And then for it to be pushed, I'm like, okay, well, Porsche's back now, we're ready to go. But I think it just was so cool for you to make it. And for those that don't know, like, Black Fern Sevens are the top in the world. Have been for years and years and years. And I'm interested, like, what is, as a culture, as a team, what is the mindset of your team that creates such success that, I mean, an undisputed success in sport?

[B]

I think there's a lot to it, right? And I think we're really fortunate that, you know, the native people of our. Of our country is Mori. And everyone who's in our teams, whether it's, you know, basketball, netball, rugby, cricket, soccer, we all acknowledge that the native culture is Mori. And with that there comes a responsibility, right? You know, to uphold, to give thanks to the culture that is native to here, Aotearoa, New Zealand. And with that also comes that within different team cultures and team environments, they have aspects of Mori culture throughout it. And for us, as a Sevens environment, ours is all about the values that Mori live up to. And we have these things. It's called Manaakitanga, which I guess is about how you treat people when they come into your environment. We have Whanaungatanga, which means your connection with people, understanding who they are, who, where they come from, what makes them light up. Aroha, which is all about love and support and passion. And so these aspects, they're in and around the world no matter what. But I think in Mori worldview, we hold them in such high standard that when we bring them into our team environments, that's what the team live by. And you don't necessarily have to be Mori to live by those values or to understand those values. We give a brief explanation of what they mean and how you can see them and how you can portray them. Say to, like, Michaela Blyde, who's a pkeh girl, who's a New Zealander, doesn't have any Mori ethnicity to Her, So she buys into it. She loves it, she gives, gives it, acknowledges those values in any way she can. With Manaakitanga, with the way you treat people. She's so cool to hang out with, with our young girls. And so I think that's what makes our environment really, really special, is we have this culture that we all live by within the team environment. And that makes me really happy because I'm proud to be Mori. That, to me, is my superpower. That, to me, is the reason why I have the gifts that I've been given. And when we go out into the world, we take that with us and we acknowledge that that is who we are, who we represent. We represent our people, our family and our culture. And I think, how does that give us that step in terms of performance, high performance, step up? I guess. I think it gives us a sense of belonging. You know, when you go into an environment and you feel like your voice is heard, your. Your opinions matter, and you. What you do and what you say is perfect in every way, then you. You feel this sense of confidence, right? Like, I have never experienced an environment like rugby before, and I've grown so much. There's no way I would have been able to, I guess, have a conversation like this online or on TV and speak in front of people without the confidence that I've learned within this environment. And that comes from a sense of belonging. And I think we're really fortunate in that there's. There's a long road to go ahead, you know, like, I think we can learn a lot within this environment, but. And we've made some mistakes in the past as well, but I think the biggest. I think. I think we take from Black Ferns is that we have this amazing culture that we all kind of live by and understand and love to portray to the world and take it around the world with us.

[A]

I think it's kind of the same. It's like, if you can have a mission that you're so clear on that everybody here is like, this is what the mission is. It just bonds you in such a way that, okay, we're going out to this field for that reason. And for, I think a lot of people who, like, know rugby or know the All Blacks or the Black friends, they know the haka. And I've faced it once in 15, which is when they do it before the game and then face it many times in Sevens, which they do it after winning a tournament. Explain to people what the Hawke is, because I think people in America are like, yeah, it's this really cool thing they do before games. But there's such a deeper meaning. And then when you get chosen to lead the haka, that's an even different thing. And you've done that a couple times. And then you even. I've seen you guys, you do the haka after or before somebody gets their 50th cap or they get a hit, a huge milestone, or somebody retires. So for you, the haka is just greater than.

[B]

You'll explain this.

[A]

Greater than just something you do for a game. It has a deeper, deeper meaning.

[B]

Yeah, without a doubt. So our haka back in the day, you know, long before there was any civilization or anything else, when it was just mori here in New Zealand, haka was a challenge in some sense. You know, there'd be a tribe in the northern part of the country heading to the southern part of the country. If they meet, they'll set a challenge and it will be their way of determining are you here as an enemy or you're here as a friend. And so that's like the real basic form of haka. And there is more parts of it. There's action songs, there's a. You know the poi that we had at the World cup?

[A]

Oh, I know.

[B]

22.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I've tried, I've tried it. I've tried to point.

[B]

I bet it for those.

[A]

Explain the poi for those wondering, though.

[B]

Okay, so for a poi, it's a. It's a piece, a piece of string, not a string with a foam ball at the end of it. And it used to be for men to practice, to strengthen their wrists. Back in the day it used to be a rock, but nowadays it's a soft foam and it's an action song. It's a beautiful action song. And so haka is one part of this real amazing part of our culture is kapaka. And there's an action song, a poi song, a haka song. And then there's so many other aspects to it. Whereas now haka is seen to be done in so many different moments. Times of celebration like you see for us as sevens, we do it after we win a tournament. Moments of celebrating our 50th match players or 250th tri players or, you know, if we have a player leaving because they're either injured, it's like a. A beautiful way to be. Well, them. Even in New Zealand, we have haka at a funeral, we call it a tangi. And we do a haka to the person who is being who's being taken away by the. The hearse or, you know, to the funeral home. So a haka can be performed in so many different beautiful situations, and that acknowledges the moment. And so when you see al Haka for Black Fern 7 Specifically, it is about sitting that we've set the challenge. It talks about Black friends are here for the. We're going to take down. We're rumbling through the crowds, through the games, and we're going to take on anyone that stands in front of us. We're proud to be woman, we're proud to be strong, beautiful woman. And at the end of the day, women will try out kind of thing like that is the basic gist of what the haka is. And so the. Everyone understands it. Again, it comes down to being Mori, being from New Zealand, we're all really, really proud to represent that. And with a leader in the team, I'm a leader in terms of haka, but in the New Zealand world, I'm so far not. But I take it as such a huge responsibility that I can represent our culture and I can lead it and take it to places that not all our people get to see. So we have the responsibility of making sure everyone knows the haka. And if you don't, you're going to look like an egg on tv. So it's up to you if you want to learn it

[A]

right.

[B]

We have a responsibility making sure that it's. It flows and it works well with the people that are performing it. So, you know, from when we first did our haka in Sevens to now, the actions have changed. And we have that responsibility and ability to change the actions to how we want and how we think the team can move with it. Because we want our girls to feel confident. And if it's a movement or an action that they're not comfortable with or we don't quite look good doing it, then we're going to change it. So I think as a leader, it's such a huge responsibility and obligation that we can give back to our culture, our team, and making sure that our team looks amazing whenever we perform it.

[A]

One thing is so cool about our jobs is how much we get to travel the world. I mean, how many times have you been to Dubai now?

[B]

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, you've probably been like 10 times.

[B]

Probably like, yo, I think it's our favorite one. Would you say that you're one of your favorite ones?

[A]

It's one of my. My favorite is probably South Africa now, but I love Dubai. I Think that it's just such a great tournament. I love South Africa. So what I'm. What's wild is like both we all come from such different places, yet we go around the world and travel and play against each other. And that's again, what's so beautiful about rugby is we're opponents and yet afterwards we've spent many a night just having fun, you know, chatting it up. Like, you've literally stiff armed me in the face. And I was like, that was a great one, good job. I think there's something so different about rugby and especially Rugby sevens, which is really something I wish more people got to experience.

[B]

Yes, same. And you know, people always ask me like, are you guys friends? I'm like, yeah, we see them almost more than we see our family because, right, we travel to a tournament. Say we have seven tournaments a year. We're with them that whole week having breakfast, lunch and dinner together, you know, and after the tournament we have a really good time sharing stories and having the yarn and sharing stories, you know, like you totally. We. It's not this real rivalry where you're like butting heads and you don't talk or anything like that. It's. It's this beautiful connection that you go out and smash each other, get absolutely rolled by Alona Mar and then you go and have a, have a drink with her at the bar afterwards. Like it's, it's such a beautiful moment and I don't know how many opportunities you get to do that in the world.

[A]

I don't think many. I think we are in such an interesting position. Whereas I've, I learned so much from you about your culture and then I can learn from the Japanese team and I learned about them and they, they were like, we, we, we call you Marchan. And I got to learn why. You know, they said that to me. Like, it's an interesting environment we're in and I'm missing it at times. But I also think like, wow, the things I've learned have been taking me on to, to real life as well. And I think it's just made me a better person. But that was just a divergent on what I wanted to say. Let's get back to favorite tournament around, like what's a favorite game you've ever played? Something that really sticks with you.

[B]

I think Dubai will always be a favorite because it was, I think when you debut for a team or when you get got a contract for a team debut. Dubai was like the first tournament you went to, right? Especially in terms of Our contracts. So Dubai was. Was. Is a favorite. And it's something like. It's a country that's completely different to New Zealand. You have a rugby field in the middle of the desert, and then you have skyscrapers because people are rich enough that they can build them. Whereas, you know, in countries like New Zealand, we have to go up because there's not a lot of space or, you know, like, it's just such a different world. And so to be in Dubai, that's amazing. I love Paris. I love Europe. So playing in Paris, 2018 World Series, and going to the Walk the. The Olympics in 2024, I love Paris. That's a beautiful city. And then you just have, like, London, and then Amsterdam was a really cool tournament as well. It's just hard. I can't. I really can't nail it down to one tournament. I think they all bring different aspects, and you have different memories associated with each tournament.

[A]

Favorite 15's game.

[B]

15's game. Probably the tournament here in Aotearo, New Zealand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't have much faith, unfortunately, I didn't have a lot of faith in New Zealand turning up. And so to get to the final, standing there singing our anthem, and I could look up into the crowd at Eden park, and it was stacked to the brim. Like, that made me really emotional. I felt. It's quite funny to say that now, but if I had adjust, like that was the end of the. This world, the tournament, I would have been happy. And who would have known that I would have gone to sleep on the side of the field 20 minutes into that game? But like that.

[A]

Yes, right? Yeah.

[B]

But that tournament was unbelievable. I think even, you know, playing in Whangare, you played. If you would have been up to Whangarei to watch the girls.

[A]

I did. I. I was so honored. I got to go to New Zealand just to watch for Aotearoa for World cup, and they did it so well. Again, what they did, they brought the culture, and I. I was using the poi. They brought that out to fans to, like, move in the. In the stands. It was an amazing time. And for you guys to win at home, I actually kind of root. I'm. I think I'm more of, like, I'm not an underdog rooter. Like, I want to root for the home team. And I was like, let's go. And so for you guys to win, I think we need those to change rugby in those areas. Do you think even in New Zealand, like, rugby still for women, we need to continue to Rise. I know it's big in America. We, we need to get show that women can play rugby. Even in England there' like prejudice against women's rugby.

[B]

Yeah, I think we do need to show people that we can still play rugby. Obviously that comes with resourcing and growing from grassroots to professional game and making sure. I think the pathway needs to be really clear, especially for sevens. Like I don't know if there's a very clear pathway on how you actually get into the Black Fern Sevens team. So I think there's a, always a lot of work to do in that sense that young girls, whatever they choose to do, decide or you know, they have the opportunity to pick 15 sevens. What, how do I get there? You know, I think that's probably the biggest part. That World cup definitely helped. So my daughter was playing in an all girls team in club here in New Zealand and that year or the year after that World cup we had like 10 new girls come to our team and that was amazing. And it was purely because they saw that World cup and that happened right across the country. The hardest part is obviously keeping them in the game right until they're women. That's the next stage. But it's definitely risen the, the profile and given visibility to the game to show that their parents look parents. It's actually a really cool sport and it's really tactical and really skillful and not as scary as you think it is. And nannies and grandparents and aunties, and caregivers, whoever you're looking at, whoever's looking after their daughters, it's actually a really beautiful sport. And the opportunity, the opportunities that come from it has definitely shown that for there's an option for each, for girls to go whichever way they want to. And I think that World cup definitely played a big part of it here

[A]

in alter and your last game was just this past World cup at a still a very packed Twickenham.

[B]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

I think that even you guys, there's these images. So at the World cup it was two games a day for the final. They did the bronze medal match before the gold medal match. And I think a lot of us were like, okay, it's a bronze medal. Like I was there but I was like, you know, hopefully people go, but the, the gold medal is the big ceremony. But you guys got off the bus and there was thousands of people. I think there's an image of you crying as well because there was just so many people there to welcome you because it wasn't the gold medal match. But People wanted to see you play and it was your last match.

[B]

Exactly. As a black fern, we totally didn't think. We were like, oh, we haven't talked about it in the prep. Like, people probably aren't going to be there, so it's. We've got to make it the event that we know it can be. And then when we turned up and we could barely get down the road or get into the stadium and seeing the people crying and screaming and they're wearing, like, an English jersey, a South African jersey, a New Zealand jersey, Australian. Like, people from all cultures backing different teams were there to support the bronze medal match and we didn't. We never would have expected that. Like, it. Yeah, it was such a beautiful moment. I thought those tears that you saw, you know, walking into the stadium were pure joy and just amazement that people were there to support us. And, you know, like, in the early stages, there was nobody that turned up to stadiums. Nobody in the crowds.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Nobody was at the. At the buses, watching us get off the. Get off the bus, just to catch a glimpse of us. So, you know, it made me really, really emotional. Just really proud to see how the. How far the game has come in the last 13 or so years.

[A]

There's a World cup in Dublin, and I think they were only getting out a few thousand to go from a few thousand to 60,000. I think, plus for your bronze medal match, you got to see the growth of the game. It's even for me, I've seen, from playing in a small stadium in, like, Glendale and then, you know, massive stadiums all over the world, I think we still have a long way to go, and sometimes I. I hope we're not falling back in terms of Sevens, but I just think there's. From what we've built, what you've built, what we've helped to build, there's so much more we can do and hopefully more people that can get into it.

[B]

You know, what I also love about you is that you've. You've embraced makeup and you. People call you the lipstick girl. And I. I was like, I didn't even realize that she was you. You wore lipstick. But when I know now that you embrace makeup and you just wear it and you've. You've created these amazing opportunities for yourself with all your makeup brands. I think that is just absolutely beautiful because it's. How else do we feel so elegant or how. How else are we supposed to feel beautiful on this such aggressive rugby pitch? Yeah. And I think you do it so amazingly well.

[A]

And also, like, we're just such put into a box about like how we're supposed to dress and how we're supposed to act. And I. But you've probably gotten the same thing. Oh, rugby women, this is that there. And so it was like my little way to say F you because. And I actually love the other players who put on full beats. Like now when. Because sometimes we'll share locker rooms together, we'll share bathrooms. I'll see the Irish girls putting on a full beat. You know, Australians like getting ready to go because it's not going to take away from how hard we hit and they look beautiful. So I think that's something that's really cool about us is like, I think women's rugby is changing the tone of how it's perceived around the world.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And I think it allows people to just express themselves. You know, we, we have so many different characters and personalities within each team, so why not give them the opportunity to express themselves? I remember when we first started wearing lashes. The uproar from some of the past players were not very happy because it was not, not rugby. It's not the way we do things. But is like, I want to look pretty on the field. Like, why can't I wear these lashes that hurt my eyes and flutter around

[A]

when I'm on the pitch? Like.

[B]

But it made me feel confident. Yeah, totally. So I, I appreciate what you're doing too, and allowing people just to express themselves on the field.

[A]

Yeah. I mean I'm, I love makeup.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

I'm wearing a full beat right now. Of course we're going to go into a segment called Try hard. Usually at this part I have to explain what a try is for people. I'm like, I try. And rugby is when you are then. But with you, you know it. So with these, it's just rapid fire questions. You can answer as long as you want, as fast as you want. It's just some questions for you. All right. Go to coffee order.

[B]

I don't drink coffee.

[A]

Oh my gosh. What do you drink?

[B]

A lemon honey. Lemon honey Ginger. From a little old lady. Interesting.

[A]

You've never drank coffee.

[B]

I don't really care for it. Like it's not my thing.

[A]

Yeah, that's okay. That would be our big thing. Whenever we would go places was finding coffee shops.

[B]

Cups. Yeah. And that gets awkward because nobody, nobody invites you if you don't drink coffee. So I'm like, can I come have a hot chocolate or a lemon honey

[A]

or what's something in your house that's really special to you.

[B]

I have this painting that my auntie created for me and it has my wife's black Ferns jersey, number 14 on it. And then it has my black fern jersey on it and it has a number 11 in our favorite place, which is our beach up north. North. So it's probably one of my favorite paintings that were ever created because it was unexpected and it's just such a beautiful, like, beautiful way of displaying who we are. I love that.

[A]

What is one thing everyone should try if they go to New Zealand?

[B]

Pies. Steak and cheese pies. All the pies here in Aotearo, New Zealand are amazing. I think the last time in the World cup in 2022, we heard that the USA girls went to the bakery up in Whangarei and bought every single pie. Because that is how you're supposed to do it, is try every single pie possible. So, yeah, meat pies here in New Zealand.

[A]

Yeah, they did that and then they got articles written about it. Like, these girls are eating so much pies. We're like, okay. For software athletes, we eat a lot of food. But I guess they. The pie shop loved them. Sorry. They were supporting local businesses. Okay.

[B]

They loved it. That's all they keep talking about.

[A]

That was great. What's one thing you always seek out when you go to America?

[B]

In and out burger. Like some kind of beach. If, like, if like it was Santa Monica or. Yeah. Some kind of beach way. Or just some like hearty kite. Hearty food. Like. Yeah. Barbecue grill place or. Yeah. Mexican. Mexican food. Mexican food.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I know it doesn't make sense that you know. But the Mexican food here in New Zealand isn't as authentic or isn't as good. So. Love going to America and having Mexican food.

[A]

Best post game celebration drink.

[B]

I'm okay. I can throw. I can go two ways. I could have like a lemon lime bitters, vodka lemon lime bitters. Or I could go a bourbon and cola. So it depends on how I want to like to go, what mood I'm in. Yeah.

[A]

Do you have a favorite night out from tour?

[B]

Oh, we went to Vegas one year was after the Olympics. That is amazing. We got put into. We like. We. Yeah, we went to a club. We had booths. I think we're the one of the only ones there. Everyone got invited. So like all the placemakers at the Olympics in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, I think you guys got invited too, was to Vegas and there was like special VIP booths with all the drinks that we could like, we wanted. And then we got invited on Stage with the dj, and we felt like we were absolute superstars jumping on stage with them. That was like one. One after party that I'll never forget completely. Yeah, there's so many, but that's because I'm, I, I.

[A]

It's kind of crazy. I have a lot to. One of mine, though, is in Beer Ritz when we won our first ever tournament. That was a while. That's. That was a feeling to win, to win a tournament. I was like, this is different. I mean, you, you know, but we were like, we would go from one bar to the next bar that we went into this club, and it was that term. It was only women, too. So the energy was just, like, so fun. And they went into this club. I lost my contacts, so I was wearing only glasses, but I remember Abby Burton, like, hoisted me over her shoulder, was like, let's go night club. And we went to a nightclub, and my family was there, my sister was there. I was. I just remember I have a lot of stories. You probably have a lot of stories as well. But the, the times we have after, it's almost, like, worth it for the amount we put our body under completely, completely.

[B]

And you're like, you want the connections. Like, I think I love, love the connections, you know, with the Irish girls, the Japanese girls, the. The Fijian girls, the USA girls. Like, just connecting with people and hearing their stories and talking trash and all of this sort of stuff. Like, I think it's the, the. It's the reason why or. Yeah, it gives you the effect after the games that you've been working so hard for. And I think, like, for. I didn't go to Barrett's because I was still injured, but, like, there's moments throughout the, My career, I guess that really highlights some of my favorite moments with people, like, off the field. And it's like having Cava with the, the Fijian girls or having, you know, going out all night with the Irish girls. Like, there's, there's some of my absolute favorite, favorite, favorite moments because you just let loose and you're just treated as a person.

[A]

Well, I was just with Jordan Conroy and Eve Higgins and even them just, like, chatting with them about the stuff and how the, how it used to be. We were like 20, 2018, 2019 was the heyday. We did so much. We got it. It really was. It was a, it was a wild time of, of exploring the world with people all, all in one goal of trying to be the best rugby player you can be and the best team you can be, but also knowing this is once in a lifetime. Yeah, I miss it. I'm gonna go back. I'm going back, Portia. I miss it. I'll be there. I'm taking some time. I'll be there. I. I gotta hopefully play in, you know, a home Olympics. That'd be pretty cool.

[B]

Oh my gosh, that would be so cool. That'd be.

[A]

You're not allowed to come out of retirement. I swear to God, if I see you, I swear, if I see you on that list, I'm done. I'm pissed. Portia, thank you so much for coming over to the House of Mar, a Wave original. Be sure to watch, subscribe I YouTube and listen wherever you get your podcast. Plus follow the show on social media at House of Mar for clips and behind the scenes content. Portia, I love you. I'll see you soon. You go to Hong Kong?

[B]

Yes, girl. I'll see you there too.

[A]

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