Doppelganger

Summary

How Did This Get Made? Podcast Episode Summary: "Doppelganger"

Release Date: March 7, 2025

Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode begins with the hosts Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, and Jason Mantzoukas diving into their latest feature pick, the 1993 film "Doppelganger". Selected by their Discord community, the trio sets out to unravel the convoluted narrative and perplexing elements that make this movie a quintessential "so-bad-it's-good" film.

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2. Overview of the Movie "Doppelganger"

"Doppelganger" centers around Holly Gooding (played by Drew Barrymore), a writer who rents a room and unknowingly acquires a roommate with a sinister alter ego. The film blends elements of body horror, psychological thriller, and neo-noir, resulting in a tangled storyline that leaves viewers questioning the reality of its characters.

Paul Scheer [03:52]: "A writer with a room for rent acquires a strange new roommate with a psychotic alter ego that follows him wherever he goes. That is the premise."

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3. Cast and Characters

• Drew Barrymore as Holly Gooding: Portrayed as a troubled young woman grappling with her past and manipulated by her therapist.

• Dr. Heller (Will Arnett): Holly's psychiatrist who exerts a malevolent influence over her, using disguises to manipulate events.

• Patrick Highsmith (Jason Bateman): Holly's boyfriend who becomes entangled in the web of deceit spun by Dr. Heller.

• Additional Characters: Include eerie figures at Hollywood parties and a cameo by Danny Trejo as a construction worker.

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4. Plot Breakdown and Analysis

The hosts dissect the movie's plot, highlighting its disjointed narrative and inconsistent character motivations.

• Opening Scene: Holly is depicted as a 17-year-old who fatally stabs her mother, setting a dark tone.

  Paul Scheer [05:11]: "She's 17 when she shoots this movie."

• Dr. Heller's Manipulations: Dr. Heller uses hypnosis and disguises to control Holly, pushing her towards violence.

  Jason Bateman [20:37]: "He was fully a creep. He was definitely a creep."

• Doppelganger Confusion: The film attempts to portray multiple versions of Holly, leading to confusion about reality versus illusion.

  Will Arnett [30:30]: "So when she sees the wine and freaks out, I'm like, why are you freaking out? You're the doppelganger. You're evil."

• Climactic Transformation: Holly transforms into a worm-like entity before splitting into two beings, culminating in a surreal and unresolved ending.

  Jason Bateman [53:00]: "She turns into a worm, then she turns into two beings, then she turns back into Drew Barrymore."

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5. Special Effects and Cinematic Choices

The movie employs low-budget special effects that contribute to its erratic feel.

• Body Horror Elements: Holly's hands become webbed, symbolizing her losing control over her identity.

  Jason Bateman [05:33]: "Her therapist has programmed her. Basically, the movie could end with the Doctor being the baddie and the disguises being the way he was able to be mad bad."

• Masks and Disguises: Dr. Heller's extensive use of masks and costumes adds to the film's confusion, making it difficult to discern his true identity.

  Paul Scheer [17:50]: "He's a master of disguise, kind of like Dana Carvey's character."

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6. Themes and Symbolism

The film explores themes of identity, mental illness, and manipulation, albeit in a muddled manner.

• Disassociative Identity Disorder (DID): Holly exhibits signs of DID, manifesting as distinct personalities fighting for control.

  Paul Scheer [57:11]: "According to the DSM 5, early childhood trauma around 5 or 6 years old places someone at risk of developing DID."

• Doppelgangers vs. Multiple Personalities: The movie conflates the concept of doppelgangers with DID, leading to thematic dissonance.

  Will Arnett [59:10]: "The movie is positing that Drew Barrymore... has another personality that's been developed because of trauma."

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7. Reactions and Critical Reviews

The hosts share their bewilderment and amusement at the film's incoherent plot and questionable character development.

• Humorous Frustration: The hosts express frustration over plot inconsistencies, such as Holly's wet robe after taking a shower.

  Paul Scheer [31:35]: "I just felt like, you know, it's uncomfortable out there."

• Appreciation for Unintentional Comedy: Despite the film's flaws, the hosts find humor in its over-the-top scenes and dialogues.

  Jason Bateman [43:37]: "This scene has a line that my friends and I would then quote for years afterwards... 'You scratch my back, I lick your balls.'"

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8. Host Opinions and Humorous Comments

The hosts infuse the discussion with personal anecdotes and comedic observations, enhancing the episode's entertainment value.

• Paul Scheer's Anecdote: Paul recounts an encounter with Joey Buttafuko, adding a lighthearted touch to the analysis.

  Paul Scheer [07:35]: "I will tell you that Joey, or for a long time, ran an ice cream truck... in LA."

• Will Arnett's Observations: Will humorously critiques costume choices and character motivations, such as Holly's accusatory line about her sister's murder.

  Will Arnett [63:00]: "It feels so harsh. 'My brother killed my dad.'"

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9. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In wrapping up, the hosts deliberate on whether they'd recommend "Doppelganger" to listeners, ultimately affirming their enjoyment of the film's unique brand of "badness."

Will Arnett [76:31]: "A thousand percent."

Jason Bateman [76:31]: "Categorically. Just one of the best of the greats."

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10. Announcements and Farewell

The episode concludes with the hosts announcing their upcoming spring tour, changes in cast members, and promoting their collaboration projects.

Paul Scheer [77:12]: "We are going on spring tour, and we have some interesting news."

They also invite listeners to join their Discord community and check out their merchandise, ensuring continued engagement beyond the podcast episode.

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Notable Quotes:

• Paul Scheer [05:11]: "She's 17 when she shoots this movie."
• Jason Bateman [20:37]: "He was fully a creep. He was definitely a creep."
• Will Arnett [30:30]: "When she sees the wine and freaks out, I'm like, why are you freaking out? You're the doppelganger. You're evil."
• Jason Bateman [43:37]: "This scene has a line that my friends and I would then quote for years afterwards... 'You scratch my back, I lick your balls.'"
• Jason Bateman [76:31]: "Categorically. Just one of the best of the greats."

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Conclusion:

"Doppelganger" serves as a prime example of a film that intertwines ambitious themes with executional shortcomings. The How Did This Get Made? hosts navigate its labyrinthine plot with a blend of critical analysis and comedic relief, offering listeners both insights and laughs. While the movie may not stand as a masterpiece, its unique flaws make it a memorable subject for celebration in the realm of "bad movies."

Transcript

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[Jason Bateman]

Now it's time for one. Let's wallow in the mediocrity of subpar art.

[Paul Scheer]

Perhaps we'll find the answer to the.

[Jason Bateman]

Question, how did this Get Made?

[Paul Scheer]

Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to how did this Get Made? I am Paul Scheer, and this is how did this Get Made? A podcast about bad movies. And this one was. Was picked by our Discord. And let me tell you.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, this was as well. Is this how the show is now? We just let them run roughshod all over us?

[Will Arnett]

Does Discord just sponsor the show last.

[Paul Scheer]

Week or last time we recorded an episode, we said, well, this Drew Barrymore movie looks like it would have been a better pick than the one that they picked. And so we just. We made the decision to go with their second pick as our next movie.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, okay. Okay, okay.

[Paul Scheer]

So that was our choice.

[Will Arnett]

Gotta remember it that way.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay. By the way, fine. And, and, and, and had this been the pick, I would have rewarded the audience with compliments because this is perfect for the podcast. This. This movie was right. A fastball down the middle for the podcast, I felt like, wow, wow.

[Paul Scheer]

And these voices that you're hearing, of course, are Will Arnett and Jason Bateman. Welcome to the show, guys.

[Jason Bateman]

Smart. Welcome to Smartless.

[Paul Scheer]

This. This is a movie that IMDb describes as this. A writer with a room for rent acquires a strange new roommate with a psychotic alter ego that follows him wherever he goes. That is the premise. I mean, this is. I mean, wow. It is. It is a movie that came out 1993 starring Drew Barrymore as someone who has a doppelganger. Or does she?

[Will Arnett]

Does she?

[Jason Bateman]

Or is she a doppelganger? The end of the movies body horror introduction really throws the. What is going on? Into star chaos.

[Paul Scheer]

So many questions. So many questions.

[Will Arnett]

The last. I mean, the last. Sorry, Paul, we'll get into.

[Paul Scheer]

You want to get to the last.

[Will Arnett]

Well, just because there's so much nonsense that goes on.

[Jason Bateman]

Please cook it up, June. Cook it up.

[Will Arnett]

Well, I also thought, Wow, I can't believe it's been. Been 15 years of this podcast. We haven't seen this movie. I've never heard of this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

Never even heard of it.

[Jason Bateman]

I have seen this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Will Arnett]

You did.

[Jason Bateman]

I have seen this movie before. This movie is part of a series of movies that my friends and I became obsessed with in college that were the Drew Barrymore, like, Poison Ivy was the other one. This was one. And. And there are other ones that Drew Barrymore is not in. But we. We were obsessed with kind of the sleazy noirs of that of the mid-90s.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, this was a really, like. I think like Drew Barrymore had a little string of these because she was in another, like. What was it called? The Fisher Story. Well, Poison Ivy, but the. The. The Amy Fisher story. She was also in this movie called Gun Crazy.

[Jason Bateman]

Yep.

[Paul Scheer]

And short hair in that one. Yes. Wow, look at this. You see, you got it all.

[Jason Bateman]

These are the movies that were not just because I'm also remembering V boxes. These were also, like, very prominent rentals. You know, I feel like.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, this is like a little bit before she kind of really came back with like the bad girls, boys on the side, mad love thing. This is like. This is in a weird moment. As a matter of fact.

[Jason Bateman]

She's like our age. I mean, she's our age at the time. She's a teenage.

[Paul Scheer]

She's 17 when she shoots this movie. She is 17 years old.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, no. Really?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. And. And that opening. That opening scene.

[Jason Bateman]

Should we not have watched it?

[Will Arnett]

Oh, okay.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, yeah, that is a. I mean, there is. I mean, I know why you're saying.

[Will Arnett]

That in some ways she's underage.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, well, no. According to. I guess the law she was allowed to do nudity at 17. So the day she turned 17 is the day they did the shower scene.

[Jason Bateman]

What? Is that true?

[Will Arnett]

That's called child's pornography.

[Paul Scheer]

No, because I think. I think she could be nude. She had posed totally nude in Interview magazine when she was 16. And. And.

[Will Arnett]

All right, I'm upset. And I'm upset that, you know, all of this. This facts are.

[Paul Scheer]

I only know it because I have the research. Blame Molly. I'm looking at the research.

[Jason Bateman]

You know, I also feel like the. The reality is in this movie specifically, her mother's not able to be there looking out for her because she kills her in the opening scene. The mother that. The mother that she kills in the scene is Drew Barrymore's actual mother.

[Will Arnett]

But that's also like the reality of Drew Barrymore.

[Jason Bateman]

That's what I'm saying.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

I. Wow, this. You know, I read Drew Barrymore's book. I love Drew Barrymore. She did not.

[Will Arnett]

I loved her in this movie.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, I think Drew Barrymore is incredible.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this is why Drew Barrymore had the comeback from.

[Jason Bateman]

From a child, from ET And Firestarter all the way through this. This period of incredible rebellion that she's in in these years, all the way through to 50 first dates and never been kissed and all the rest. You know, she kind of held it.

[Paul Scheer]

Down like she knew what she had in front of Charlie's Angels. These are the options that I have and I'm going to deliver. And I remember Poison Ivy is great. And as someone who grew up on Long Island, I did like the Amy Fisher story as well. I felt it hit home.

[Will Arnett]

I did too. I grew up, you know, I remember passing by. But if you goes Mechanics or whatever.

[Paul Scheer]

It was called when you used to stop there, you never had a thing with Joey, right?

[Will Arnett]

You never wasn't interested in me. But I definitely just peeked in, see if you wanted to take a look at the goods.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, wow.

[Paul Scheer]

I will tell you. I will tell you that Joey, or for a long time, ran an ice cream truck that would come to set and when we were on the league. Well, first I went out to go get an ice cream. It was like one of the crew treat. And I went out there and my jaw dropped to the ground to see the man in the Mr. Softy truck be Joey Buttafuko. I was like, what?

[Jason Bateman]

In la?

[Paul Scheer]

In la? He moved out to la.

[Will Arnett]

He moved up to la. He was a part of all those reality shows.

[Paul Scheer]

At one point he was on I didn't know that.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Long story short, once I found out that he owned these trucks, I got this treat every time I could possibly get it. Because the chance of seeing Joey B serving up some soft serve was.

[Will Arnett]

Why would you financially support that man?

[Jason Bateman]

Right?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, he didn't do anything wrong, did he? Oh, I guess he.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes, I guess he did.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, the part where he's sleeping with a high school student, he is I guess technically an accessory to attempted murder.

[Paul Scheer]

But I thought that he. You know what? Now that you're reminding me of this story, I thought it was that he said, hey, no, no, no, no, I can't have a relationship with you. But you're right, he did have. He did.

[Jason Bateman]

You know what you need to do, Paul? You need to watch the Drew Barrymore Joey. But a Fuko movie, you need a. You need a reminder in the Amy Fisher story. The Amy Fisher story.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Sorry, June, I didn't mean to support that man. But the ice cream is very good and it was only the. It was good New York soft serve in la and that's a hard thing to get. Like bagels. Not anymore though. Bagels are back.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay, bagels are back.

[Paul Scheer]

Bagels are back in la. I mean, there's Boy chick, which just opened up.

[Jason Bateman]

Courage, of course.

[Will Arnett]

Courage.

[Paul Scheer]

Courage is great. Of course. I love yeasty boys. Anyway, this open, I felt like it's such an odd thing because this movie is a very low budget LA in the Valley.

[Will Arnett]

Is it low budget?

[Jason Bateman]

It's. It's pretty, it's pretty low budget.

[Paul Scheer]

Like the ending isn't.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

The ending is not. And that's why like. Oh, I guess they just put all of their money there and there is like what? The opening sequence is definitely in New.

[Jason Bateman]

York City for sure. Oh no, they. They're on location.

[Paul Scheer]

That was a twers shoot. They were like. Because they were like. They just shot her walking around the Plaza Hotel. Like that was. I feel like they just wanted to get that cuz they could shot that interior anywhere they needed to shoot that. But that was like. I feel like they sent her on a plane. Like that's the budget is the ticket. And this camera guy, they shot her walking across the street and they're like, got it. That's our scope. There's our movie. We got it.

[Jason Bateman]

So much of anytime they're outside, it's the daytime. Like they can't, they can't shoot at night at all. Even though the movie being that it's like a very Neo noir kind of movie. Boy, does it want to be at night.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I mean, this movie wants to be at night. This movie wants to get wind. I mean, there's a tree that bangs on a window that I'm like, I feel so bad for that PA who's like, kong.

[Will Arnett]

Tree was honestly, like, number three on the call sheet.

[Jason Bateman]

I was just gonna make the joke that the tree provides the second best performance in the movie.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, is she part tree? There's a part of me that thinks that there is a tree element.

[Jason Bateman]

I don't understand. Well, okay. I have actual.

[Will Arnett]

I want to Please get. Yeah, let's. Let's know. I. I want to understand. I. I left the movie just minutes ago, not entirely understanding what happened.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, maybe. Should we. Should we just save it a little bit? Because I do want to unpack it, but I just want to get. To just get to it a little bit and just say that we meet Drew Barrymore. She's very conservatively dressed. She's wearing a little bit of a headscarf. She's walking around.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, are you talking. I'm sorry, Are you talking about in New York?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay, thank you.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, and this is why I want to bring this part up here. Because when we see Drew Barrymore in the headscarf, that's important for us as an audience to understand that that is not. There's two truths.

[Jason Bateman]

There's the Holly Golightly character. Holly. What's her name in this? Goodly. Gooding. Holly Gooding. So the movie has tons of Breakfast at Tiffany's, tons of homages to things. The main guy's name is Patrick Highsmith, which is a riff on Patricia Highsmith, the great author of the Ripley books and all those. There's a million references throughout this movie, which is funny.

[Paul Scheer]

My favorite one is Richard Wolff, the famous TV writer that he meets, which is clearly Dick Wolf.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, think about it. Like, Dick Wolf and Drew Barrymore, still incredibly relevant and successful currently. That's incredible.

[Will Arnett]

That's true. That is true. That is. I'm sorry. Like, that is the sign of quite a career.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my. I mean, Drew Barrymore has been doing it since 1980.

[Will Arnett]

Wow. Say just. Just so, because we're talking about Richard Wolf right now. There is. We will come to find out much later on that the person we saw that we thought was Richard Wolf, the big Hollywood producer, is not Richard Wolf.

[Paul Scheer]

And this is the question I want to ask, because when we see Drew Barrymore with the headscarf, is that Drew Barrymore?

[Will Arnett]

Yes.

[Jason Bateman]

No, wait.

[Will Arnett]

What?

[Jason Bateman]

It's not. It's Dr. Heller. Oh, I think.

[Paul Scheer]

So. The opening, I believe, is setting us up for this thing because we're watch. Because we're watching Drew Barrymore walk through New York City with the headscarf. And then it cuts to the interior of a hotel room where her doctor is like kind of going down outside of the skirt of Drew Barrymore. And at that point, Drew Barrymore's hands are becoming webbed, right? Or no.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, no. She see his. Something from her point of view is webbed, like his eyes are something. There is some sort of body webbing. Body horror element to it. Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

So I guess we're going to. Again, we'll pull it out a little bit for.

[Will Arnett]

Together. We got to, you know, we got to try.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, and the reality is. And. And this is an interesting, Interesting to do in following League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, because this movie, we're going to try to make sense of it, and we're going to fail because it's a convoluted mess. But I would watch this a thousand times again before I ever watched League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which made, I guess, sense somewhat. You know, it's true.

[Will Arnett]

Like I would actually, knowing what I know now, and that's not a lot at all. I would like to go back and watch it again.

[Jason Bateman]

Like Sixth Sense or something.

[Will Arnett]

All of those characters. Yeah, all of those characters I saw were simply the shrink in very elaborate Mission Impossible level. Mission, yes, but not just Mission Impossible, not just a mask, but a full body. Correct.

[Paul Scheer]

So, I mean, like he's doing Eddie Murphy level clumps work in this movie.

[Jason Bateman]

He is an incredible performer. He is. Think about. Because we spend time with five of the characters, at least five of the characters that Dr. Heller plays throughout the movie, and they are all radically different. He is an incredible performer.

[Paul Scheer]

But now. But Now I love Dr. Heller's work. I saw him on stage one time. Really fantastic. But here's the question, Dr. Heller. Okay, so if we are to understand that Dr. Heller is trying to set Drew Barrymore up to make it seem like she's insane, that she's a crazy person. You mentioned that Drew Barrymore kills her mother in the beginning of the film, that Drew Barrymore comes home to her house, which penthouse is on the door? Always a sign of a good penthouse. When they spell out penthouse, you gotta see it.

[Will Arnett]

Otherwise you don't know where you are.

[Paul Scheer]

Now she is hearing her mom on the phone. Her mom's like, ah, fuck.

[Jason Bateman]

That little bitch has got to disappear. She says, disappear. Jesus Christ.

[Paul Scheer]

And when. And then we see Drew Barrymore on the other side of the door, hearing it and getting upset. And that's when we see the hands with the webbing. But now that is the Doctor.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I believe that is actual, because the Doctor says at the end he convinced her to kill her mother. That is not the Doctor in dress up. That is Holly Gooding, who kills her mother because her therapist has programmed her. Basically, the movie could end with the. The Doctor being the baddie and the disguises being the way he was able to be mad bad. But what it introduces at the very end is that Drew Barrymore is two different monsters that are bifurcated and then come back together. And that is the part that I don't understand.

[Paul Scheer]

So there. There are basically, there are three people trying to be Drew Barrymore at one point, right? Because it's like, it's Drew Barrymore. It's her doppelganger. And then it's the therapist as. Does he ever dress up as Drew Barrymore?

[Jason Bateman]

Yes, because we see the Drew Barrymore outfit on a man.

[Paul Scheer]

And at one point when he keeps drooping when the boyfriend, the great guy from Adventures in Babysitting that Elizabeth Shue, actually meets and has a connection with her.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, it's such a crazy.

[Paul Scheer]

Love that guy. Love that guy. He's great when he. He's like, keep her here. Keep her here. And then he's chased by evil Drew Barrymore, and he's like, she's still there. And like, yeah, she hasn't left. So that's something. So there's three people being Drew Barrymore in this movie.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, and also the Doctor. Both is the. The Doctor is dressed as Drew Barrymore and entices Patrick to follow him. And then when Patrick does follow him into the tunnels, the Doctor somehow changes his mask and outfit to be the father. This father with the scar. Then he chases Patrick with the knife in the alleyway. Those are the same scenes. So the Doctor is stopping down to do a full costume, wardrobe, and mask change.

[Paul Scheer]

And I would love to get this guy's number because he would be amazing on a set, especially in a low budget like this. You know, get him on there on a Broadway show.

[Will Arnett]

And they have to do this. Quick change, quick change, Dr. Heller.

[Jason Bateman]

Get him on SNL.

[Will Arnett]

Listen, I think that the movie's telling us. I don't know about the monsters, but the movie is telling us that because Holly, the character of Holly, was sexually abused by her father, at that point, she split into two different personalities.

[Paul Scheer]

Got it.

[Will Arnett]

To protect herself to protect her psyche and survive. Right. Those two personalities. One of those personalities, I don't know if they started off as evil or not. I. We. We can't tell. But what we do know is one of them is.

[Paul Scheer]

One of them is sexualized.

[Will Arnett]

One of them sexualized, yes. But what.

[Paul Scheer]

And is that the bathrobe one? The one that's always in the bathrobe?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. Okay, but what we do know is that the shrink has sort of taken control of that one. Now, the other big question I have is what type of psychology is he practicing? What is going on with him?

[Jason Bateman]

Why is she so in his thrall? Is what I couldn't figure out. Because up until the. The third act of the movie, Dr. Heller is really just a presence on the phone. So we don't see him controlling her because I think they could check because.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, we don't. We don't know because he's already. He's always. He's always in her. Her life. He's maybe.

[Will Arnett]

I mean, I had questions about him when he was having sex with her in the beginning.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, yes. But we didn't know that was who it was. You know, that was. We just knew that there was a man there. We don't know until act three.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, no, I knew it was him.

[Jason Bateman]

You knew it was the doctor?

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Will Arnett]

I did know it was the doctor.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, how.

[Paul Scheer]

How.

[Will Arnett]

Wow. I don't know. Actually, I'm wondering that myself. I think I. The glasses.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, okay.

[Will Arnett]

And then when she went to her mom's and she said she's just been with her shrink or something, I was like, oh, her psychiatrist. Her psychologist is having sex with.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so you got ahead of the movie, which is great that you have a. That you.

[Will Arnett]

I've also got an eye on predators.

[Paul Scheer]

So that. And I appreciate that.

[Jason Bateman]

That's. That's your. That's your NBC one hour non fiction show. Right. Eye on predators.

[Paul Scheer]

But I, I think it should be said, like, I got an eye on. Like, it's like, I like you do. Like, it's like. It's not about the general people. It's just you got. You go to malls, you go to.

[Will Arnett]

Any place where people are hanging out him. I would love to do how this get made poll, because as soon as I saw him, I knew he was absolutely trouble and absolutely her psychologist.

[Paul Scheer]

I felt the way that he was like kind of going down on her. Felt like it was doing something.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh.

[Will Arnett]

He was like. It was over the script.

[Jason Bateman]

He was fully a creep. He was definitely over the creek. But I Connected to. He's the therapist first I felt like.

[Paul Scheer]

He was doing something.

[Jason Bateman]

What did you think he was doing?

[Paul Scheer]

It just seems like she was reacting in a very intense way. I feel like he was. He was doing. I think he hypnotized her to make her feel like he's a great sex partner.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, you think there's so much happening in this movie, but that you think they just didn't name check Hypnosis was part of it.

[Paul Scheer]

I think he's like, you know what? I'm going to hypnotize her to kill people, but I'm also going to tell her, like, I'm also really good at sex, so every time I touch her, she's going to be basically, like, coming at all times.

[Will Arnett]

You know what? I do agree with you, though. Her reaction to what was happening was incongruous to what was happening.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. That's what I'm talking about.

[Will Arnett]

A lot of over the skirt.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Now, here's the thing. When Drew Barrymore kills her mom in that next scene, I just want to point out one thing that I found to be so funny. She stabs her hard. Like, there's no blocking. It's like bam, bam, bam. But just like four hard stabs. Right? Feels like right to the heart, ready to go. That mom is able to launch herself across the room, throw herself across the table, exploding a lamp, then get up from that, and then throw herself into a glass table. I'm like, this is moviemaking. Bring back more people falling through plate glass tables and exploding lamps. I need to see that.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes. Sell it. Everybody's selling it hard. And it does feel cathartic in a certain way. To watch Drew Barrymore kill her mother, who is.

[Will Arnett]

Who did such a shot, held up that knife. I was like, get her.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Will Arnett]

Make me go, that's interesting, because it.

[Paul Scheer]

Feels like they're in the same apartment complex.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, that's funny. That's funny. I like. I love all of the. All of the noir markers, all the femme fatale costuming and stuff like that. I love how much they're playing with all of those elements. And everybody's doing a great job executing the beats of a classic noir, which I really enjoy.

[Will Arnett]

Now I want to spend roughly the next 40 minutes or so talking about the lady writer.

[Jason Bateman]

The scenes at Victor's Cafe. Elizabeth.

[Paul Scheer]

My gosh.

[Will Arnett]

Elizabeth.

[Jason Bateman]

Elizabeth.

[Will Arnett]

Of course, we have to open with her with a toothpick in her mouth.

[Jason Bateman]

Because my favorite part is she's. And I. And I wrote it down before she even said it. She's listening to the conversation about the two real estate agents who are fucking everybody that they show apartments to or houses to. It was making me laugh so hard.

[Will Arnett]

Not just fucking those guys, their clients, but also tying them up.

[Jason Bateman]

Like, all manner of things on the sectional, like, specific to both the men and the houses that they're selling. It was perfect.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, that's a movie right there. Let's play a little clip of her.

[Will Arnett]

One of the vampires, white and female. The other vampire, black and male. Get an iteration.

[Paul Scheer]

Buddy cop, vampire love story.

[Will Arnett]

It's great.

[Jason Bateman]

Ellie, you speak any German?

[Paul Scheer]

Patrick, you know I do.

[Will Arnett]

Patrick, do you even remember anything about me?

[Paul Scheer]

What does doppelganger mean?

[Jason Bateman]

It's great.

[Paul Scheer]

It's high concept. We're gonna make a gajillion dollars on this. It's hip. It's now it's happening.

[Will Arnett]

Hang on a second. Here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

Doppelganger. The ghostly double of a living person that haunts its flesh and blood counterpart. Cool. She is awesome. And she is somebody who is constantly dumping new information. Like, I didn't realize that they were ever together, her and the screenwriting buddy.

[Jason Bateman]

Not until the end.

[Will Arnett]

Sure. That they were. I actually rewound that scene.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. What did you. What are you getting?

[Will Arnett]

Because I loved their relationship, and I was like, oh, no, wait a second. She had feelings for him. And I think what she was saying is that he abandoned her as a writing partner, and he hasn't cared about her feelings.

[Jason Bateman]

Feelings.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Jason Bateman]

I don't. I think she says. And she says, I thought she was saying something to the effect of. And shame on me for thinking you were going to get your act together and we would give it another shot, you know? And you are saying that is.

[Will Arnett]

I think that's right. In terms of writing their vampire movie.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay, maybe I thought it was. That they had had a previous romantic partnership. And that's why when the shitty producer comes out, she's basically like, okay, I'm a slut, you're a slut. You know, I guess we're both guilty of whatever. Whatever. I don't know. But you might be right.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, then she's also fucking. She's also fucking that real douchebag of a guy who. Who goes up to Drew Barrymore is like, you're a real handsome lady. Now, I want to ask you.

[Will Arnett]

Gina, I just gotta say, Paul, before you say anything else, please, that. That moment you're describing to me was the best moment in the movie.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow.

[Will Arnett]

I think that actor is a genius. I don't know who he is. I thought he was a genius when he says, you're. You're the most handsome woman I've ever met. First of all, insane choice of words.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Then he says, there's a beat. And he goes, do you like Keesh? I l O l. That guy is a genius.

[Jason Bateman]

There. There was definitely stuff that felt like it was improvised or just like that party scene. Yes. Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh.

[Jason Bateman]

Anyway, the Hollywood part, the entirety of the Hollywood party scene is hysterical. I loved all of it.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, I do have a question about that party scene, because this is about the doppelganger thing, and I want to get into the party scene, but there's a moment in the party scene where another tool that we meet who also wants to fuck women up in his bedroom, showing them art pieces.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, that's the rich guy. The rich producer.

[Paul Scheer]

The rich producer guy accidentally spills blood. Wine on somebody at the party. I mean, the all wine, the red wine is. It's like. It is. It is Texas Chainsaw Massacre level blood. Like, it's redistency of it.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, he also spills an amount that no cup could hold.

[Will Arnett]

And also you would have to consciously be pouring, pouring and pouring and pouring.

[Jason Bateman]

It's hysterical.

[Paul Scheer]

But now here's the question I have. When that woman gets doused in blood, which is just wine, Drew Barrymore sees that, and then it's her.

[Jason Bateman]

And then, no, she's flashing back to killing her mother.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Bateman]

So that her mother is in a similarly white outfit, and she flashes back to killing her mother. Her mother being covered in the blood stains.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, sorry.

[Will Arnett]

But what I think Paul's asking, which is the question I had as well, which is, who in that moment is Drew Barrymore?

[Jason Bateman]

Is she Drew Barrymore, the murderer? Which she did do. She did kill her mother.

[Paul Scheer]

But in that moment, she is the doppelganger.

[Will Arnett]

What was confusing is she. Yes. In that moment when she's dancing, like, that's absolutely the sexy dance of a doppelganger.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Will Arnett]

So when she sees the wine and freaks out, I'm like, why are you freaking out? You're the doppelganger. You're evil.

[Jason Bateman]

I see. I see what you're saying.

[Will Arnett]

Rightly, I understand.

[Paul Scheer]

But maybe. Maybe the doppelganger is shaken from the sexy dance by the imagery of her mother. Like, she's like, right. Real world again.

[Jason Bateman]

I think. Well, I think the. I think the bloody. The wine soaked person wakes up Holly Gooding inside of the doppelgangers dance reverie. You know, I mean, because it's basically like one of them has the. The Is one of them has control. And then they're bouncing back and forth because it's the same thing when. When. After the shower, when she comes in and she and Patrick have sex in the kitchen, and then he comes in the next morning, he sleeps on the floor of the. The sex is so good. He sleeps the rest of the night on the kitchen floor, which was absolutely insane. Right.

[Paul Scheer]

Because we all wake up just a little bit and you can get yourself.

[Jason Bateman]

To at least the cup.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, well, look that he's doing a lot of work in that one bedroom apartment, but he goes back to.

[Jason Bateman]

Her and says, last night was pretty great. And she's like, I don't care. I don't know about that. I didn't do that. Whatever you do with her is fine, but I don't want to hear about it.

[Paul Scheer]

I had an issue with that scene, by the way.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, really?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, we'll call.

[Paul Scheer]

I had a couple issues. June, you're not going to have the same issue that I had, but I'm going to tell you this much. You know, this is when Drew Barrymore is in that bathrobe. She's in that bathrobe a lot. Right. So I imagine that she took a shower early in the day, and then we know she took a shower later in the day because then it's the blood shower. And then she comes out and I just am like, I'm just thinking about her putting on a wet robe. And I'm like, she must be a little bit uncomfortable out there. You know? Like, I just felt like. I just felt like, is that comfortable? Get out of a nice shower into a wet robe. I mean, that robe didn't have enough time to dry.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay, wow, that's bad. Did you make that as a note?

[Paul Scheer]

I did.

[Jason Bateman]

Did you write that down? Like, isn't that robe wet?

[Will Arnett]

I do think the whole thing with those types of robes is that they absorb really quickly. Like, I don't know if I've ever had the experience of putting on, like, a wet robe.

[Jason Bateman]

Here's the thing. I don't put on robes.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't do robes either.

[Jason Bateman]

I'm a no robe guy.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. Because robes are for women and children. I don't ever want to see a man in a robe. Except for Matt McConkey, who wears one quite well.

[Jason Bateman]

Straight from. I live straight from towel to clothes.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. Good.

[Jason Bateman]

That's what we're doing.

[Paul Scheer]

Me too. Yeah. I just felt like, you know, like, he's gonna be touching up on her and that robe is all damp, and he's gonna be like, it's a damp mess.

[Jason Bateman]

You know, honestly, shouldn't the robe be covered in blood? Bloodshot?

[Paul Scheer]

I don't.

[Will Arnett]

Where did that blood come from?

[Paul Scheer]

Her mind?

[Jason Bateman]

Also, also, also, there's a scene in there where in the mirror we see, like, the monster's reflection. That is.

[Paul Scheer]

That's malignant.

[Jason Bateman]

Like, that's the little. That's the malignant reflection. And that's where I was like, now what. What is this? What are we supposed to believe from this? Isn't it enough that she is a bifurcated, you know, person? Does it also mean that she is, like, monstrous in some way?

[Will Arnett]

I couldn't figure that out because this is like. This brought me back to, you know, the 90s and horrors and thrillers like mental illness, any sort of disorder. And, you know, homosexuality used to be listed as a mental illness, but it was. It was horrific, it was scary, and it was the monster.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes, for sure.

[Will Arnett]

And so that's Basic Instinct. Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Basic Instinct and Fatal Attraction are both examples of, like, a person who is somehow has mental illness becoming a murderer, you know, and. And part of it being sex.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, look, her mental illness manifests as two distinct, like, creatures that are battle, like. Mental illness is literally two creatures inside of her body battling it out for supremacy, while at the same time, the other guy's fucking around with it too. I mean, that the.

[Will Arnett]

The other guy is the other Thing is, like, the shrink in this movie, mental illness is the monster, but also, like, the cure is also monstrous. So there's. You can't win in the 90s if you have any.

[Jason Bateman]

There's bad people on both sides.

[Will Arnett]

Yes, exactly. I'm so glad someone said it.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. I'm willing to say it. There's bad people on both sides. Yeah, yeah. Because. And it's like. And it's like the, the. The. It's interesting because it's like when. When. When Drew Barmer's character goes through the tr. We have this whole pretty great scene in which it is revealed that it's Dr. Heller. And we're in the murder House and there's all of the mannequins with all of his different masks and disguises and all the. Everything's clicking into place. And you're like, oh, it's the dog. At first I was like, is it the brother? Is it the. Who is going to be behind all of these things in that way that it's, you know, in Basic Instinct, you think it's Sharon Stone, but it's not. It's. It's. What's her name? Who's.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's always the thing.

[Jason Bateman]

Gene Triple horn. It's Gene Triple horn. Oh, okay. So when all that happens, I'm like, okay, it's Dr. Heller. He's been behind it the whole time. He got her to murder her mother, blah, blah, blah. And then, nope, he dies. And instead she turns into two different monsters that look like aliens, that look tall. They look like Kaminoans from the Star wars universe. They look like they're making. They're building the clone army, except that all their skin has been removed. It was so bizarre.

[Will Arnett]

The other thing about the aliens is that there were no distinguishing features between the two of them. So, no, after we've spent so much time with these two very different doppelgangers, we, you know, two different people and personalities, then they're. The real essence of them is exactly the same. Although I guess that's what the nun slash sex phone operator told us in that speech of hers.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, by the way, guys, I just don't want. I, you know, I know that we probably, you know, we're Hollywood. We're Hollywood elite. And. And always as a Hollywood elite, you know, we have access to a lot of different things. And if you guys want, maybe we could all go in together on this, which is the full size doppelganger special effects prop. And when you look at this full size, it. Well, you know, it's gonna be an auction, so you know it's gonna be.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow, that's big.

[Paul Scheer]

We'll put the link to this in our show listing.

[Will Arnett]

Let's go back to the full length. I just wanna see the alien for a second. What wall?

[Paul Scheer]

You keep on saying alien.

[Will Arnett]

Jason said it and then I said it too.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, I wrote it in my. I wrote it in my notes first, as is this an alien?

[Paul Scheer]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Bateman]

$0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Excludes restaurant orders, service fees and terms apply. Okay, now, did any of you notice, and I have to imagine it's part of it, although I'm not tracking it at all. Patrick's apartment. Patrick and Holly's apartment is covered. The walls are covered in, like, clippings from newspapers and tabloids and all this stuff. And a number of them are featuring a demon character. At first I thought, oh, is he without us knowing it, is this going to come at the end? Is he in part of his movie that's about a buddy cop vampire love story? Is part of his movie going to intersect with these monsters and these things? Because he's tuned into all of the clippings that he has taped to his wall are about supernatural demon forces that are evil.

[Paul Scheer]

He's willing to believe her because he's open to that as a human being. And that's why he's gonna go the extra distance. Cause he knows. He knows something's up the minute she disappears. Which, by the way, I still don't understand. He's at.

[Jason Bateman]

Behind the bus.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. She disappears and like, and I understand that's like, a noir thing where it's like, oh, I saw you in the street. The bus passes and you gone.

[Jason Bateman]

Especially when you realize she's a middle aged man. Especially when you realize, that's Dr. Helen. How did he move? He's got to move quick.

[Paul Scheer]

And then. But yet when he comes home, he goes, were you out there? She's like, no, I didn't leave the house. I didn't leave the house. It's like. It seems like you might have left the house the way that you're.

[Jason Bateman]

But I don't think she did.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so she's being honest, even though she's seeming like she's lying.

[Jason Bateman]

I think she didn't. I think that is, in fact, Dr. Heller. Okay, that being said, boy, would I have loved it if we cut to an angle that allowed for us to see him sprinting alongside the bus.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean.

[Jason Bateman]

Which is the only way he could have seen.

[Will Arnett]

But there are times where it does.

[Jason Bateman]

Like this.

[Will Arnett]

So the scene, you know, Paul, where you were troubled about her wet towel, her wet robe. Sorry, I was troubled because I couldn't tell. She seemed so upset that he was implying that she had sex with him the night before. But it was the energy of that performance to me was like. She knew. She did.

[Jason Bateman]

She. I think. Wait a second.

[Paul Scheer]

You're.

[Jason Bateman]

You're saying. I'm sorry, June, in the morning after scene.

[Will Arnett]

Yes, in the morning after scene.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay.

[Will Arnett]

That she knew. She did.

[Jason Bateman]

I think she knows. She knows she did, but it's the other. It's the. She knows. She thinks it's the doppelganger.

[Will Arnett]

Right. She thinks that this. It's the doppelganger, but the implication is that she doesn't have any recollection of it.

[Paul Scheer]

No, the doppelganger fully takes over.

[Will Arnett]

So. Okay, so she's just assuming with context clues that. That she had.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, she knows. She knows.

[Will Arnett]

Well, how does she know?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, she. Because he's like, ah, last night was great. She's like, oh, whatever, you filthy. And they didn't seem like they were having filthy sex. It just felt like they were having, like, pretty chaste.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, it was on the ground, the kitchen floor of a disgusting apartment.

[Paul Scheer]

And that department was disgusting. Thank God she cleaned it up.

[Will Arnett]

Let me ask you, who killed the cat, Nathan?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I think it's the FBI agent.

[Jason Bateman]

The FBI agent is Dr. Heller.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. By the way, that was my favorite scene in the whole movie.

[Jason Bateman]

My name is Stanley White. I'm a special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI?

[Paul Scheer]

What do you want?

[Jason Bateman]

Is Holly Gooding Living with you? Yes, living with me. She's roommate, a tenant. Running. Running a. That's illegal.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait, can we work something out?

[Jason Bateman]

Are you doing her? What are you doing?

[Will Arnett]

You have.

[Jason Bateman]

That's a little personal, don't you think? Maybe it is. You do realize, of course, that your girlfriend is the prime suspect in the murder of her mother. The murder of her mother?

[Will Arnett]

About six months ago in New York.

[Jason Bateman]

People saw her enter the building, go up in the elevator, and knock on her mother's door. A little later, her mother was dead. There was no one else in the.

[Will Arnett]

Apartment except the two of them. That's an open and shut case, right?

[Jason Bateman]

Wrong. She came up with some weird mumbo jumbo bullshit alibi and got off. Now we know she did it, but she won. You know, I don't need to think about this. I'm just gonna. I'm not finished, asshole.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, that scene is. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Like, first of all, I realized what they had to do is I was like, why is this so weirdly ADR'd? It's like, cause they need to hide this character's voice. And at one point, when Drew Barrymore goes into the hospital to visit her brother.

[Will Arnett]

I would like to see my brother, please.

[Paul Scheer]

Please not see my brother. And it's like.

[Will Arnett]

To see him. Here's a dream.

[Paul Scheer]

And I was like, wait, wait. First of all, I gave credit to Drew Barrymore. I was like, cool. I like that she's, like, picking a different voice for the doppelganger. But it was a little.

[Jason Bateman]

What I kept wondering was, did they ADR the Dr. Heller actor vocally?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's. That's what I'm. That's what I'm singing. Because they wanted to. They wanted to put you off the scent. I feel like they really wanted to make the voices.

[Will Arnett]

I didn't know what was going on.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean. And that, by the way, that scene was like. That felt to me. And I mean this with the highest compliments. Like a porn. Like, I was like, oh, we're about to get into a porn scene. Like the. The. The style of, like, lighting. The. The. The special agency. And the one where it's like, got it. Get over here. No, take off your pants. You know, there was like, scene.

[Jason Bateman]

This scene has. This scene has a line that my friends and I would then quote for years afterwards.

[Paul Scheer]

I love that.

[Jason Bateman]

Which is, you scratch my back, I lick your balls.

[Will Arnett]

Why did I miss that?

[Jason Bateman]

That's a great scratch. Because at first it starts totally normal. You. You scratch my back, I lick your Balls. It's fucking nuts.

[Paul Scheer]

It's really.

[Jason Bateman]

We. This. These movies, we genuinely enjoyed the way that we are enjoying it now. Like, my friends and I would watch so many of these crazy movies in a big group in the house we had. And this. The. The you scratch my back, I lick your balls is so fudgeing funny to me. And when they happened in the movie, I had forgotten it was from this movie. And it was like a. It was like taking a bite of Proust's Madelines and remembering my past. It was fascinating.

[Will Arnett]

I love that.

[Paul Scheer]

The scene that got me, or the moment that got me in that scene, he's like, are you fucking her? Like, it's like three little slaps. But it's like. It's like I can't even do it justice. It's so funny the way he slaps.

[Will Arnett]

If you're. If you're this doctor, why doesn't he kill Michael right away?

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, who's Michael?

[Will Arnett]

I mean, not Michael. What's his name?

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, you mean the roommate. Patrick.

[Will Arnett]

Patrick. Sorry.

[Jason Bateman]

I see. I see.

[Will Arnett]

I see. Doesn't he kill Patrick right away? Because if he's so obsessed with her, like, he does know that he's fucking her. Her.

[Jason Bateman]

So who's in the van? Who's the guy smoking a cigarette? It's always a bad guy smoking a cigarette.

[Paul Scheer]

I believe that's him. Who is that?

[Jason Bateman]

Is that the doctor? Is that Dr. Heller?

[Will Arnett]

Gotta be the doctor. Okay, if you. If you wonder who anyone is in this movie, it's Dr. Heller.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[Paul Scheer]

Why does the doctor keep all of his masks on? Full mannequins.

[Jason Bateman]

Full mannequins.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, it's like. It's not the. You don't need to keep everything on a mannequin.

[Jason Bateman]

And it was so funny, too, because they're like, you know what? The audience isn't gonna get it. So when we show each mannequin, we'll put in. We'll drop in aud of what that character sounded like. So we can.

[Will Arnett]

Well, here's the crazy thing, though, because I thought a lot about this in the last half hour, but he isn't just putting on again. I just have to question. Where did he leave his. First of all, did he leave his practice? Did he. Because to sink in this amount of money to.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, the costumes.

[Will Arnett]

Costumes And. But they're not just costumes. He's not buying the clothes.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. He is creating distinct. Maybe he's got doppelgangers, too.

[Will Arnett]

Well, he is stepping into full suits of that. Have Weight and body to them. And masks that are connected in skin. Full skin suits.

[Paul Scheer]

What if it's like this? It's like. All right, so I'm just looking over. So you want to be auditioning? You're going to be one of the costume designers or makeup Designers on Terminator 2. What would you do before this? Well, there's a professor. There was a therapist I used to work for and I created multiple personalities. For what? He wanted to take money from a young girl, but.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, great, okay, now is that what he wanted to do?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. He wanted that money.

[Jason Bateman]

He wanted that money. And he seems to also be sexually obsessed with her.

[Will Arnett]

But I still.

[Paul Scheer]

But he's already having sex with her.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes, that's true.

[Will Arnett]

I don't know though. Well, I don't know. Maybe he just did. Maybe he was just after the money.

[Jason Bateman]

Because that's what he says at the end. She'll go away for murder.

[Paul Scheer]

I think he doesn't want anyone else to have her and he wants her money.

[Will Arnett]

And he has power of attorney over her estate.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, that's how it goes conservatively. You always give it to the therapist. Always get the therapist right in line.

[Jason Bateman]

Holy shit. It really is. It's so bizarre. The music at the dance part when she's dancing alone. The music. The song appears to be called Sensual Evening. Those are the lyrics that I wrote down. It was absolutely nuts. I loved Sally Kellerman as the ex nun. Now, phone sex or escort service? I couldn't figure out the A business is booming.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I mean, and by the way, everyone's got to show up to that phone sex world. Like, they, like that's not enough to just have the line like fed into their house. It's like, gotta go to work. And they're all like behind cubicles.

[Will Arnett]

Gotta get for casual and go to work. And here's the thing, here's why business is booming. I mean, first of all, like, it's. This is the recession proof type of business, you know, oldest, oldest business in the world. But.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I would say that phone sex, well, just.

[Will Arnett]

I'm talking about just sex work in general.

[Paul Scheer]

Got it. Okay.

[Will Arnett]

But. But she has, and I really tip my hat to her, she has rented a giant office space in a really rundown area and I imagine just redid it and that that monthly rent is quite low and her overhead is quite low and she is just raking it. Raking it in.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, we also, this movie takes place in a world in which that apartment that they are living in is $420 a month, right?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, and that guy.

[Paul Scheer]

And that guy can't even make rent, by the way, that guy. I'm gonna say I like him, but he's doing the kind of a dirty deed there by. By putting his apartment up for rent and just being like, hey, so I will just stay in the living room, and you get the bedroom and we can share the bathroom.

[Will Arnett]

So shady.

[Paul Scheer]

It's so shady.

[Jason Bateman]

But I don't think it's like. I don't think he's trying to, like, I don't think he's being a predator.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't think he's being a predator.

[Jason Bateman]

I don't think he's trying to attract people in a predator way. I think he's just like.

[Paul Scheer]

But in a.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes, he's. He's lied about what' and is. Is. Is dishonest.

[Paul Scheer]

In a movie like this, though, we are also presented with two characters that seem like the worst people. She gets out of a cab and she's like, can you stay here while she goes to look at an apartment? And then she doesn't seem to have any eye on the time for, like, looking at that apartment. She knows, like, I'm going to decide on this apartment within five minutes. She's like, she left her bags in.

[Jason Bateman]

The car, in the cab.

[Paul Scheer]

It's, like, hard to come by a cabin. And, like, I just feel like. And so we get that Amar. I don't. I disrespect her for that. And then we get this guy, disrespect him for putting his apartment up. Like, I don't want to be with any of these people.

[Jason Bateman]

What's interesting is at the end of the movie, Patrick never has a scene in which he, upon entering the murder house and realizing the events of the movie's plot, he never says, oh, all but two people I've met in the last however many weeks were all the same person, right? Like, almost everybody in his life is revealed to be Dr. Heller in some way, shape or form.

[Will Arnett]

Also, though, I mean, I did question his mental acuity when he's in his own apartment. A plumber arrives. We'll find out later, that's Dr. Heller. And says, like, there's a leak. Your neighbors complained. And then he lets him in, and then the guy just says, I'll let myself out. Like, please go. And he's.

[Jason Bateman]

Nothing else happened. Couldn't figure that out. I know. Couldn't figure that out.

[Will Arnett]

Now here's my question, though. What did that guy do? What was Dr. Heller doing in the.

[Jason Bateman]

Apartment at that Time keeping an eye on things, or. Or maybe continuing to place her under further hypnosis.

[Paul Scheer]

I have a feeling that Dr. Heller wanted her to come out to LA and kill her brother. But then she met this guy who actually takes an interest in her and starts pulling one doppelganger away from the other and creating this kind of friction.

[Jason Bateman]

I don't think so.

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[Jason Bateman]

I think. I'm sorry, I. I don't think so. Only because I think his plan is, she goes to la, he kills the brother, she is arrested and imprisoned for it. What he wants is for her to be found guilty of one of these murders. That's what he's saying. He's tried to get her to be set up to take the fall for her mother's murder, to take the fall for the brother's murder.

[Will Arnett]

He wants her to kill her mom.

[Jason Bateman]

She did, but she was not. She was not put in prison for it. So when he. At the end, he seems to be saying, she'll go to prison. I'll get the money. That's been the plan all along, I think.

[Will Arnett]

Can I just ask, though?

[Paul Scheer]

Sure.

[Will Arnett]

Why didn't she go to prison for her mother's murder? How did she get off?

[Jason Bateman]

I. I don't know. I feel like there's an explainer in.

[Will Arnett]

There somewhere, but I missed it. Many witnesses.

[Paul Scheer]

The other thing about this movie, too, is there's so many dream sequences where I'm like, did that whole thing happen or did he dream it? Because he also.

[Jason Bateman]

When she, like. Also. Patrick's having dreams about her being crucified.

[Paul Scheer]

He's really into both things.

[Jason Bateman]

He's having a religious dream about her where she's Christ, like. Which is very bizarre. Do you think. Question. Do you think that Dr. Heller knows that Holly Gooding can transform into a big worm? Do you think he knows that the big worm is part of her whole thing?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, that.

[Jason Bateman]

Has he ever seen the big worm?

[Paul Scheer]

I feel like he pushed her to the big worm. It's like, you know, we all got the big worm inside of us.

[Will Arnett]

But you're absolutely right, Paul. We all.

[Paul Scheer]

He broke her. It's literally showing this therapist breaking her.

[Jason Bateman]

It's a scathing indictment of mental. Mental health services, by the way. This is a Scientology. I wouldn't be surprised if Scientology underwrote this movie.

[Will Arnett]

But you don't want to see my big worm. Like, that's. The other thing is, like, you don't. You. You've caught a glimpse of that big worm, and you don't want to see it, and it you don't want to.

[Jason Bateman]

See my big worm. And you don't want to see me turn into two different people.

[Paul Scheer]

No, you don't want to see those.

[Jason Bateman]

You don't want to see me two. It turned into two non verbal beings. And I did have closed captioning on. Yeah, I did have closed captioning on. And when those characters did make noise, they were credited as monster.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, good.

[Jason Bateman]

Because there.

[Paul Scheer]

Because by the way, I was like, why is she going. It really is like Frankenstein noises.

[Will Arnett]

That's my question, though. So just to go back to the worm of it all, I actually didn't understand why it was a worm. Like, why. Why wasn't it just one body that was split into two?

[Jason Bateman]

Great. Well, it beca. It is a worm that's. That becomes a cocoon that cracks open, two people come out of it. Then those two people come back together and are just the Drew Barrymore character again. Now, that being said, I do believe that one of the monsters does give the finger a la Holly Gooding in the convertible at the end of the monster season.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, you definitely need that. Yes, I think that that is definitely in there. And I feel like this is a really interesting movie that they are really seeding it because everybody knows people who like body horror love Breakfast at Tiffany's. But there is a. There is this thing when I was actually. I was caught up in kind of more of that love story between the two of them, the two monsters. Oh, well, the two.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, I'm just kidding.

[Paul Scheer]

But wait. But by the way, when they come back together, is that part of his dream or is that real?

[Will Arnett]

Oh, God. At the funeral.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, because he. She comes back together, the cops like, everybody get in there. And then she's bleeding. Then we cut to the funeral, and he's standing behind the casket. The traditional place where most people stand during morning, behind and holding it, ready to go. And then he wakes.

[Jason Bateman]

It seems as though in his dream, he and Elizabeth are pallbearers. I'm not sure what she's doing.

[Paul Scheer]

I have no idea. And then you don't think she should be a pallbearer?

[Will Arnett]

I mean, there's only so many people they know in town.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's.

[Jason Bateman]

I guess so.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, that's also why they. I mean, this is the budget coming in here. By the way, my favorite budget cut scene is they're sitting around eating and she's holding a big knife. Drew Barrymore holds a big knife recklessly throughout the film. But at one part, she's like, do you Want more bread? And she's a knife, and she's got this knife. And it's like, yeah, I'll have more bread. And like, clearly that's the only thing they could really, really have on set. Like, did she make.

[Jason Bateman]

But he also. He also. At one point, she comes into the kitchen when. When the scene that eventually ends up with them having sex, he is offering to make her toast.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, God. They're carb loading. Really? Running a marathon.

[Jason Bateman]

They're broke.

[Will Arnett]

So.

[Jason Bateman]

They're broke.

[Will Arnett]

I forgot what I was going to say. Oh, speaking of knives, one of my favorite scenes was when Elizabeth, lady writer with the toothpick, when she is in the apartment, she's so upset that all this has gone on, and she picks up the bloody knife from the cabinet.

[Jason Bateman]

A true murder weapon finds a clue.

[Will Arnett]

She finds it, sees, looks like. Identifies it right away as, like, the murder weapon. Picks it up and then is like, why am I holding this?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

And then he says, that wasn't there before. As if. Because it was deep in the closet. I'm like, he definitely wasn't checking the closet earlier. Like, who knows?

[Will Arnett]

The plumber brought over. I don't know the time.

[Paul Scheer]

This is what I'm saying.

[Will Arnett]

I was like, sweetie, just put it back.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, maybe that's because the plumber's Dr. Heller. Maybe it is.

[Paul Scheer]

That's what I'm thinking. I think that they're ne. Like, I think that this doctor was doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes to, like. Yeah, that. To kind of. To goose the doppelganger. But, I mean, I don't know why he made the doppelganger. I mean, did he make the doppelganger, like, dance sexy like that?

[Jason Bateman]

Like, what's so interesting is, like, make a doppel. It's like the movie wants us to believe that the doppelganger is two individual people, two corporeal beings, when it is just really two. Two personalities inside of. Or two identities or whatever.

[Paul Scheer]

So I.

[Jason Bateman]

Listen, I know I'm not using the correct terminology, so please don't come at me.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, by the way, I'll give you the correct terminology. So. So there is a. It's called DID or it's called disassociative identity disorder is previously known as MPD Multiple Personality Disorder. It's characterized by the presence of at least two distinct and relatively enduring personality states. According to the DSM 5, early childhood trauma around 5 or 6 years old places someone at risk of developing DID. Now, there's no correlation between DID and.

[Will Arnett]

Vanishing twins Oh, I had a vanishing twin.

[Jason Bateman]

Whoa. What is. I don't even know this term.

[Paul Scheer]

That's why I gave you that. Good enough pause.

[Will Arnett]

That's interesting. So a vanishing twin. A lot of times if people have a cyst or something that they need to get removed and they'll. The doctor will take it, their biopsy it, and then they'll be like, oh, there's teeth and hair. Okay, that's like.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes, that's a malignant. That's a beezer.

[Paul Scheer]

That's like malignant.

[Will Arnett]

So anyway, this is the condition that one of our kids had. Not a condition, really. I don't know how to describe it. Basically, I was pregnant with twins. And then one absorbed into the other.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, we just saw.

[Will Arnett]

Well, absorbed into, I guess. So.

[Jason Bateman]

Co opted. Yes. And they get. They get stronger. They get twice as strong, twice as big.

[Will Arnett]

They don't really know what happened.

[Jason Bateman]

That's Reacher. Reacher was supposed to be triplets.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, there's a great interview with the guy who plays Reacher on tv. He's like, I didn't like season two. He's like, oh, the action was terrible. He's like, I got in there and I got in there and I told him we got to make this action way better. And like, he's like so funny, like so angry about.

[Jason Bateman]

We all love. Thank. Thank you, Reacher.

[Will Arnett]

I love Reacher.

[Paul Scheer]

I love Reacher too.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you, Reacher.

[Paul Scheer]

Thanks, Reacher.

[Will Arnett]

Thank you, Reacher. Yeah, thank you. I'm glad we finally have a moment to say it.

[Jason Bateman]

I'm glad we're all in agreement.

[Paul Scheer]

We love Reacher and we love its spinoffs. Multiple personality disorder is one thing, right? Disassociative identity disorder. That's a thing. But then doppelgangers are another thing. And this movie posits that both are true, right? It's like it's doppelgangers.

[Will Arnett]

No, Paul.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Will Arnett]

The movie is not positing that doppelgangers are true. Now, I know there's webbing, and I don't have the answers to the webbing, but the movie is positing that Drew Barrymore, one, One being until the end, one being has another personality that's been developed because of trauma.

[Paul Scheer]

Right?

[Will Arnett]

That she's going in and out of. The doppelganger that the movie refers to is Dr. Hell.

[Paul Scheer]

Right, but that's still a doppelganger. That is a. That is a person who hawks for.

[Jason Bateman]

The majority of the movie, especially in the moment when he sees Drew Barrymore on the street following him in her noir gear, calls home and we see Drew Barrymore is at home, you know, so we know there's two Drew Barrymore. So the movie wants us to believe there's two corporeal versions of the same person. You know what I mean?

[Paul Scheer]

Right. So he's chasing the doppelganger. But what he really should.

[Jason Bateman]

But what's strange. I want to say what is strange is, though. And that is a good. That is good bit of confusion for a while, and then it's revealed. Oh. All along, there is no doppelganger. It's Dr. Heller. Oh, Dr. Heller's dead, J.K. she's splitting now into two distinct people. So now there are two beings.

[Will Arnett]

That's where things get crazy, I don't know, get interesting. Yeah, but you're saying, Paul, that. That Dr. Hiller is the doppelganger. I guess maybe I need to rewatch it because. Well, but. But I don't think you can act as a doppelganger.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so if I go. If I dress her like you, and I follow you around to haunt you, that's not a doppelganger.

[Will Arnett]

The way. The way that we are told that doppelgangers exist is that they are day and night. They are the same thing, but the opposite. And I don't think Dr. Jekyll.

[Paul Scheer]

Mr. Hyde.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. And I don't think Dr. Heller is a true doppelganger. He's sort of cosplaying doppelganger.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. He is just like a master of disguise, kind of like Dana Carvey's character. Master of disguise.

[Jason Bateman]

Pistachio Disguisey. You think this is a pistachio disguise Y scenario?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, I'm saying the costumes are pretty good.

[Jason Bateman]

How much of this was filmed on September 11th? Okay, so I think my question. So I think it's easiest to think about this movie, this component of this movie, if you think about it from Dr. Heller's point of view.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, I've been waiting to jump into Heller's point of view.

[Jason Bateman]

He's dressing up as all of these characters, including Drew Barrymore, including Holly Gooding. He's dressing up as all of these people in an effort. In a very clear effort for him to perpetrate a crime that involves framing her for murder and making it such that he can benefit financially. So it's when. When. When he. When. When Holly Gooding's brother needs to disappear so that his money can be put into the whole fund. He dresses his Holy Gooding goes to the place, breaks in and tries to kill the brother.

[Will Arnett]

Right. He has no interest in. He has no Interest like I think a doppelganger would in experiencing what it is like to be Holly.

[Jason Bateman]

He can't, because he can't get close to anybody because it would be revealed. You know, he's just.

[Paul Scheer]

He's just Matt, he's just about machinations. I will say the brother, when they go, oh, he hasn't talked since whenever, you know, and when you see him normally in movies, and I don't mean to. To throw shade at this performer, but normally in movies, when you see somebody that doesn't talk, they look catatonic. This brother looked like he had made the decision. Like, I'm not talking. Like, you look very alive in the eye. Like, you look like, hey, I agree.

[Will Arnett]

Don't you wish I said something?

[Jason Bateman]

But I agree. So much so that I was like, well, he's clearly, like, conscious. So that's what. For a long part of the movie, I thought the brother was going to be the doppelganger.

[Will Arnett]

I did too.

[Jason Bateman]

Jason, the brother was going to be the Norman Osborn dressing up as his sister, you know?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Bateman]

And wouldn't that be interesting? This is a very, you know, psycho coded kind of plot line.

[Will Arnett]

Well, I also thought, though, I mean, I. I felt the same way. Like, he seemed actually quite with it to the point where I was like, well, has anyone just tried speaking to him?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Bateman]

He had like a hip haircut.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. Like, just have. Have you tried.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, they're like, that's like a parent go, no, he never talks. And then like, all of a sudden he's like. He's like the most talkative kid. Yeah. Like you. The hospital's not doing the work. I will say there was one moment that I want to just call attention to direction. Maybe two moments. Again, the relationship is where I really fell into it. When she goes, oh, yeah, I. My father. Did she say I killed my father or my father was killed? No, my brother killed my father. Right. He goes, whoa, whoa. Bad reaction for boyfriend.

[Will Arnett]

I know. But even here's the trouble I had with her as a sister, you know, even if my sister killed my dad in that same scenario, I don't know if years later I'd say, my sister killed my dad.

[Paul Scheer]

Right.

[Will Arnett]

I think what I would say is there was an accident at my house. My father's not a good man. And in the. In the course of this freak accident, he fell. My sister was involved.

[Paul Scheer]

And now you're making really long.

[Will Arnett]

He died.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, okay, that. You seem very suspicious.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Now, like, now I feel like there's definitely foul play.

[Jason Bateman]

I Feel like the only person I want to talk to now about this crime is you.

[Will Arnett]

It just seems so harsh. My brother killed my dad. It's like, well, first of all, you hate your dad, I think.

[Jason Bateman]

And what I'm left wondering at the end of the movie is, did the brother kill the dad, or did she kill the dad at Dr. Heller's request?

[Paul Scheer]

I think he also has two worms inside of him, too.

[Jason Bateman]

I just want to read a section of my notes here, if you don't mind. Oh, yeah. The brother lives. The brother lives. Okay, so this is the end of the movie. All of the people he's met in the movie are Mission Impossible style masks in the old house, question mark. And we see two Hollies. Is it the brother? It's all Dr. Heller. Dr. Heller has been everyone. She's screaming and covered in goo. Now she transforms into all caps. Big worm, which splits into two beings. Question mark. Wtf? And then I wrote, thank you. This is good.

[Paul Scheer]

I. I love that. Oh, my God. You know, the thing I wrote down, too, and I wanted to just get your take on this. This is completely different, but this is a moment in the movie where I got a real cameo that I loved, and I jumped out of my seat. Danny Trejo in this movie as a construction.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

That was so much fun to see him in this movie. And he's like, hey, yeah, I'm gonna fuck you, or whatever he says to her.

[Jason Bateman]

He's like. He's like Cat calling her from a construction site.

[Paul Scheer]

And he's like, if my sister was dressed like that, she would be asking for it. I'm like, first of all, she's dressed extremely conservatively.

[Jason Bateman]

Pretty sure she's wearing white tights. She's wearing white tights numerous times in this movie. June, how do you feel about white tights?

[Will Arnett]

I don't feel great about them. I spent my childhood in white tights.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I didn't like it either.

[Will Arnett]

They're very triggering for me.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

You know, it's so interesting. Yeah. She couldn't be dressed more conservatively. So. So odd. But just to go back to. Just to go back for one second to the phone. To the phone sex operation. And again, I have so few notes for this business and the economics of it all.

[Jason Bateman]

I wish we'd gotten more of it.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. But the only note I have for her is there seems to be an awful lot of background noise, like, so many women talking at the same time. I wish she could have gotten them in cubicles or something because they are full Full voice.

[Jason Bateman]

Also. Also, Sally Kellerman appears to be running this organization. She's like the queen bee, but she's also answering the phone and asking for people's credit card numbers.

[Paul Scheer]

She's the first person. It doesn't seem like you're taking them down.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, you shouldn't be picking up the phone. This is like an assistant's job.

[Will Arnett]

You know what I feel like what she couldn't count on was that they were going to get those credit card numbers before the calls were transferred over.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, maybe she's.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, but also, she doesn't seem to be taking them. Or. Or she's taking. Like. It's also a funny thing. Like, I want to get. I'm ready to get off. Like, give me a credit card. Okay. Okay, great. You have to get. Get in the mood again. It's like maybe it's a part of a, you know, a dollar 99aminute.

[Will Arnett]

All the cards were on file, Paul.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, okay.

[Will Arnett]

The other interesting thing about her, though, is that I don't know if anyone else noticed that on her, but just behind her on the, on the little sill is a Raggedy Ann doll.

[Jason Bateman]

I didn't see that.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, the original. The original strange phone.

[Jason Bateman]

I did notice that.

[Paul Scheer]

Or the original Dopp. Ooh, Raggedy Ann and Andy, they're the same, but different.

[Jason Bateman]

Two halves of a. Of a. Of a hole. I also noticed in numerous scenes when they wanted there to be like a threat or a. Something, they would just drop thunder in as if it's constantly Los Angeles. As if it's constantly thunder and lightning in Los Angeles, which it never does.

[Will Arnett]

Although, by the way, when they were talking about the Santa Ana winds and the winds, I was like, I'm scared.

[Paul Scheer]

But this, by the way, but this is what I'm talking about. This movie does posit supernatural things. She. The wall breaks open in half. The. The. The window breaks. Like she's controlling. Like when she walks up to the house, the wind is blowing really heavy. It's like she is in control of the weather things.

[Jason Bateman]

Something is happening. Because they also do the thing where they're like, oh, is this an earthquake? And he's like, no, it's the Santa Ana's. Or, oh, no, it's a construction truck going by. Then it's the Santa Ana's later and it ends with what does appear to be an earthquake where the ground splits and the. The house. The walls split. And this is, of course, when she turns into a worm. So. So who knows what's. This is in the Part of the movie where who knows what's going on. And I'm thrilled, you know, I don't need to know as long as it is this fucking this. So, so self assured, this bit of filmmaking confidence.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean it really confident hands.

[Jason Bateman]

She turns into a worm, then she turns into two beings, then she turns back into Drew Barrymore.

[Paul Scheer]

Like the movie is like, and this is what I do love. And this is what the difference of like a good movie, a good bad movie and a bad, bad movie is like, it's this director's like, yes, there's no doubt in what I'm trying to do why it will make sense. And I got it. And you know what? And that's why. And you know, I'll tell you this much. When you make a movie like this, the stuff lives on forever. And I'm going to invest in this. Not just the body, but also just the full head. The full head.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean there's multiple. It looks like it's supposed to be an alien.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm looking at the doppelganger screaming, that's.

[Will Arnett]

Not the inside of a body. So what is that? The teeth?

[Jason Bateman]

I mean it's, I don't look at that and say, oh, doppelganger.

[Will Arnett]

No, I would never say that.

[Jason Bateman]

Like, and it's not like, like a doppelganger is not a demon. It's not like synonymous with a, a devil or a demon or a goblin.

[Paul Scheer]

Or it should be like a parasite or something. Right. You know, but I mean, I, I'm, I am, I, I, I, I love this movie. I loved it. And you know, discord, you redeemed yourself. The second place, always the best. It's like the best picture at the Oscars. It's like, you know, the one, the runner up is always probably the better movie.

[Will Arnett]

And the other thing is like the movie makes certain choices that I really did appreciate, I really enjoyed. You know, the fact that they're all at that Hollywood party was so much fun. Hollywood party felt like so much like heavy wall to wall carpeting. And honestly, older people, right? Anyone else noticed that?

[Jason Bateman]

Not a lot of people.

[Will Arnett]

This is not young. No, not a lot. A conservative amount of like sparsely attended.

[Jason Bateman]

Middle aged person Hollywood party.

[Will Arnett]

Middle aged people. And it was billed as like a hot, like Hollywood, you know, young and talented party.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, Richard Wolff is there.

[Will Arnett]

Richard Wolff is there. But like I also loved that he had a female writing partner and that's why I was so bummed and that potentially they could have been together and she was pining for.

[Jason Bateman]

I Wanted that love story so bad in that way, though, that the movie is telling us. I feel like. June, here's my question for you. I feel like the movie is telling us that Elizabeth is not an acceptable romantic interest for our lead character because she has curly brunette hair. Universal symbol for apparently unattractive friend.

[Paul Scheer]

That's friend zone. That is a friend.

[Jason Bateman]

Brown hair.

[Will Arnett]

Well, that's. I think that's why they also gave her a toothpick.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Bateman]

Tomboyish almost or something, you know?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, but she still gets it. She's that other guy and she doesn't care. She. She doesn't.

[Jason Bateman]

I, I wish the movie had been more about them, her, she and Patrick having a history together or something. I, I really, she's. I loved her.

[Will Arnett]

I loved her character.

[Paul Scheer]

I like that idea that Patrick, like in her, are trying to get back together, but he's smitten with the Drew Barrymore. Here's the one thing. We talked about this doctor being a master disguise and that's no doubt. He definitely knows how to put on a lot of disguises. But I think he's bad at doing the full body. It's like, it's the. He can't do the Daniel Day Lewis. Yes, he can embody the physical, but he can't always embody the character. Like when he is Richard Wolff, he's like, let's go meet at 10 o'clock at this restaurant. I'll be late. Why would you just say let's meet at 10 and then just don't show up at 10? They'll go, let's meet at 10, I'll be late. Well, that's. Now that's suspect too. Well, just tell me when you'll be there. You just told me to meet you. I'll meet on your time.

[Jason Bateman]

But I'm so afraid, obsessed with. I hope they get the job. I want them to get the rewrite.

[Will Arnett]

After all they've been through. They got it.

[Paul Scheer]

But is there a rewrite? No, no, no. But does, Does Richard Wolf exist? Yes.

[Will Arnett]

No, he doesn't. Actually, No.

[Jason Bateman]

I think he does. Only because other people in the business seem to know he exists.

[Will Arnett]

He exists in the world of the movie because he does. Come in.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait a second. What do you mean? I, I thought that he's created all these characters. So did he, like, put Richard Wolf away?

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, now that's interesting. I mean, if you start pulling at these strings, it's a real problem. But. But I guess it doesn't matter. I guess maybe because the director's like.

[Paul Scheer]

Just get Them to the worm. They'll have no more question.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, it all goes away when she becomes a worm. I'm like, oh, I guess anything's possible.

[Paul Scheer]

So, yeah, in my mind, he is either killing these people or he's tied them up. I mean, we know that he has that mansion and he's got the mannequins, but like, it would be great to see if all those people were actually there. Like tied up like they were captains.

[Will Arnett]

I mean, that's a great question. That. That's gonna. That we're gonna need to rewatch.

[Jason Bateman]

Big time. Big time rewatch.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, obviously we have opinions about this movie. People out there, I think they agree with us. It is now time for second op.

[Will Arnett]

The movie was a piece of shit.

[Jason Bateman]

This person recommends it.

[Paul Scheer]

Tell me, what is the message?

[Jason Bateman]

Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, everybody, grab your toast with mustard and grape jelly. It is time to look at some second opinions. 128 reviews. 63% are five star. 6% are one star. Tim Wells writes, I enjoy Drew Barrymore in this movie. Five stars, good computerization. That's a title. I don't know what that means. This is the one that I really want to read because these reviews are. Eh. But this is from letterboxd. I love letterboxd. And Letterboxd. The user is Megalopolis Star. So this is the review here. Eh. Oh, okay. Huh. Well, all right.

[Jason Bateman]

Nah.

[Paul Scheer]

No, all right. All right. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, I guess. Okay, man. Whoa. Hey. Okay. Yeah, totally. Okay. Haha. Haha. All right, man. Oh, yeah. Come on, man. You know, I'm telling you, this is. Whoa. Yes. Hell yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

That is funny.

[Paul Scheer]

The review of four star review.

[Jason Bateman]

Just trying to figure out what part of that whole thing is the shower, the blood shower. And I love it all.

[Paul Scheer]

And it'll follow it up with Death Valley Girl who writes my mimic. Pixie Dream Girl. Okay. Smiley face. Mimic.

[Jason Bateman]

Mimic. I think they want it to be manic, but okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Mimic because it is a doppelganger. Yeah. So that is Right. Okay, what do we got here? Any other final thoughts? Would you recommend this movie? Yes. I mean, yes, across the board, right?

[Will Arnett]

Thousand percent.

[Jason Bateman]

Categorically. Just one. One of the best. One of the best. One of the greats. Truly. I mean, Drew Barrymore becoming one of our most reliable, fantastic people in whatever. Whatever she's in that we're covering. She's dynamite.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, Jason, we can talk you into it. We gotta get in those Hollywood Squares next season. All three of us across the oh.

[Jason Bateman]

That would be fun. Or all of us in one square.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, I'd love to do that.

[Jason Bateman]

We love you, Drew.

[Paul Scheer]

All right. That would be good. I'm sure she'll let us do that. All right, here's the deal. We love Drew. I hope that she comes on and gives us some more insight on Doppelganger. Here's the thing. We're going on spring tour, and we have some interesting news. June, there's.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, there's a casting announcement.

[Paul Scheer]

A casting announcement? Yes. You want to bring us home, June?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, you tell us.

[Will Arnett]

Well, yeah, no, I, I, I'm so excited about this tour, but I have been replaced. I've been recast.

[Paul Scheer]

You have? This is not a bit. This is not a joke.

[Will Arnett]

This is not a joke. There were some scheduling. I had some scheduling conflicts, allegedly. And Jessica Sinclair has stepped into the role.

[Paul Scheer]

That's right.

[Will Arnett]

And will be joining Paul and Jason on this show.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, will she be your doppelganger?

[Will Arnett]

She. Yeah, that's such a great question. And I do think that, I do think that she is going to. Well, first of all, she's taken on a lot of my personality traits, so there has been a very natural sort of morphing. But I trust and believe that she will deliver a doppelganger esque performance and show.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, well, let me just make it clear that June will be with us in LA on 321, 322, and 323. But Jess will be with us in Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Fran, and Portland. On all those days, you go to hdtgm.com to get your tickets. Movies will be announced soon. And here's the thing, people. Hey, people in Boise, get your act together. Let's buy some tickets here. Everyone's like, come to come into the middle of country. We came to the middle of country. Boise. Tree Fort Music Festival. You can get in if you got a ticket to Tree Fort. Or you could just come see us without a ticket to Tree Fort. Just get your tickets in case you.

[Jason Bateman]

Are in Boise and you think, I don't want to buy tickets to a music festival festival.

[Paul Scheer]

You don't have to.

[Jason Bateman]

You can just buy tickets for our show and you can let the music festival know that it can go itself.

[Paul Scheer]

We don't, we don't, we don't need it.

[Will Arnett]

The other thing I wish we were doing, honestly, is just doing a little behind the scenes docu series on Paul, Jessica, and Jason. Just on the road.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I don't have to share a room with Jess. Like, if. Because you and I share rooms like I like.

[Jason Bateman]

No, you do. You do.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Will Arnett]

She's a doppelganger. She's gonna be.

[Paul Scheer]

This is gonna be bad for me.

[Will Arnett]

You have to, babe.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, everybody, that's an episode of how does get Made. Call in at 6.1-9p a u l a S K if you have any corrections and omissions or leave them on the Discord at Discord GG hd.

[Jason Bateman]

Disconnect the Discord. Disconnect the Discord. This is my whole thing now.

[Paul Scheer]

And that's a T shirt that is available. If we're gonna make a T shirt for this episode, I think we do need a doppelganger. I mean, maybe that's a shirt just says doppelganger.

[Jason Bateman]

I think it says doppelganger, but I think it's got a big worm on it.

[Will Arnett]

The Doppelganger Tour. We just rename it.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, and with that, let's get out of here. But before we do, just a reminder. How did this get made? Is going on tour. A spring tour. We just announced a Toronto date. Yes, we are coming back to Canada. We have a special surprise lined up in San Francisco. Plus, in Austin, we might even do a little something fun that I can't really announce yet. We are getting closer. So anyway, you don't want to miss out on our Tour. Go to hdtgm.com, find out everything you need to know. Movies will be announced about a week before the show. Also, if you are not watching the Dark Web with Rob Huebel and myself, you are missing out. Last week, I almost poisoned Rob with a sour pickle candy. Yeah, it turned his entire mouth green. For two hours. We are watching everything from Passions to Saved by the Bell. It is a bunch of fun and completely free. So check out the Dark Web. Just go to watchthedarkweb.com you can find links and everything there.

[Jason Bateman]

And don't forget to watch season three of Invincible right now on Amazon Prime. You gotta see what's happening with Rex Splode, guys. Come on.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, a big thank you to our producers, Cody Fisher and Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer, Avril Halley. Our associate producer, Jess Cisneros, and our engineer, Casey Holford. And a shout out to our Discord from making this their second movie pick. Jason may say disconnect the discord, but I say plug it back in. Now, if you want to join the conversation and have your name read aloud in a How did this get made? Last Looks episode, you can do that. By going to the Discord. That's Discord. Gg hdtgm and you can voice your opinion on this episode. What did we miss? What do you have in your head that we didn't have? Did you work on the movie? Are you a doppelganger? Anyway, make sure you also pick up a doppelganger shirt in our brand new teepublic store. The links to all that is on our social media. That's all for now. Bye.