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Customer
Let's wallow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the.
Advertiser
Question, how did this get made?
Customer
Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to how did this get made? I am Paul Scheer and today we are talking about Dracula 2000, a film that you all picked. That's right. You voted for this film out of a list of 10 films on the Discord. We had no say. We had no option. We gave it all to you. We wanted to see how you would do if you could, best our amazing producer Errol Halley, who picks all of our films. And you know what? You brought some heat. You gave us a Gerard Butler film that came out and you guessed it, 2000. And what do you need to know? Dracula, he's in New Orleans. It's 2000. Vitamin C is in it. The singer. All right, let's break it down and introduce my two co host. Please welcome Jason Manzoukas and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both?
Advertiser
Well, now, now I know who to blame. I. I didn't know. I didn't know. They made us watch this. So that makes that seems like punishment.
Customer
They have been begging to pick a movie, begging to pick a movie, and.
Advertiser
This is what they chose.
Customer
This is it. Old school Jerry Butler action. By the way, Jerry Butler is Dracula. We love Gerard Butler on the show. And this does not look like the Gerard Butler that I know and love. I mean, this is like.
Co-host
Can I just say something? I did not know it was Gerard butler. Until about 45 seconds ago.
Customer
Wait, whoa, whoa.
Co-host
And there were many points where I thought, God, he looks a lot like Gerard Butler. And then I thought, I wonder who that guy is. And then I thought, wow, I wonder if that guy and Gerard Butler were coming up around the same time. And then Gerard Butler.
Advertiser
In fact, they were.
Co-host
Yeah. I had so many. I mean, I was very much so with Gerard Butler watching this movie, but was also like, who. That's not. Is Gerard Butler. Like, I. The physique.
Advertiser
Yes. Very different.
Customer
He is like the bone structure.
Co-host
Just his body's like very lean and structure. That's what I'm saying. Pilates bod.
Customer
He looks a little bit like. Like James Franco meets, like the COVID of a romance novel. Like the. The character that. Yeah, yeah.
Advertiser
Like, to me, he looks like. I feel like they modeled him after the dream in the Sandman in Neil Gaiman the Sandman. Like, I feel like they have him looking exactly like Dream, which is very weird and interesting. But I thought he looks great. And this is. I'm assuming, right. This is before 300, is that right?
Customer
Yes, this is 2000. This is before 300. He was actually doing a play on Broadway.
Advertiser
Oh, wow.
Customer
And they gave him a break to come shoot this life changing movie. This movie that was gonna change everything.
Advertiser
300. Like a really broke Gerard Butler. Huge. But also broke him in a way that made us feel like he's meant to be this big, beefy, muscular. That's the body type.
Co-host
I'm so fascinated. And I have to say, after watching this, I'm like, not only does Gerard's body. Gerard. Gerard's butler. Does Gerard Butler.
Customer
How do you think Gerard Butler.
Advertiser
Like, that's the T shirt. Gerard's butler. It's his Alfred. He's like, I'm home, Alfred.
Co-host
I really was like, oh, it can't be him. Because of course, is his. I find him to be a bigger presence on screen always.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
Well, and that's one of the things that I wrote is I was like, they're giving him nothing. They're giving him nothing to do. Barely any lines. And the true disservice to him and everybody else who's a vampire is the fake vampire. Teeth are making the lines they do have sound weird.
Co-host
Okay, well, I mean, so much to say about this teeth.
Advertiser
Oh, yeah.
Customer
I have a lot to say about the teeth. I will also say that this movie starts off in a place that's very hard for me, which is a place I like to call accent confusion. There are so many accents coming in in that first speaking scene. I mean, we don't need this prologue of a ship at sea, but we have it. But then once people start speaking, I'm like, christopher Plummer, you're doing something. Jennifer Esposito, you're doing something. Johnny Lee Miller, you're doing something like. And I'm like, my brain couldn't handle doing something. Oh, yeah.
Advertiser
But Mary in New Orleans is doing none of their.
Co-host
I thought she was Tatiana Masani for a while.
Advertiser
What?
Co-host
Yep.
Advertiser
Tatiana Maslany from the year 2000.
Co-host
I know. You know, so much was going on.
Advertiser
She wasn't born. No, no. But I mean, like, I couldn't. Nobody's accents made sense to where we were meeting them also, you know, so you're like, here we are in London. Christopher Plummer, in fact, has a. Whatever. Is Van Helsing German or Austrian or what? Is Van Helsing Austrian?
Co-host
I don't know. But not like British.
Advertiser
No, but he's doing a weird act. He's doing, like a German, Austrian accent, everyone.
Co-host
I feel, like, also so British at points.
Customer
Yes, yes. It's kind of like the accent work in my favorite accent film.
Advertiser
Oh, House of Gooch, baby. House of Gucci. We saw.
Customer
I mean, House of Gucci. This is like House of Gucci level accent work because it's like, I'm in, I'm out. What is happening? I also just. The movie is confusing straight up because we start with Christopher Plummer working at this antiquities firm that seems like, wow, this. How are they making money? Is really what I wanted to get into. Like, how is Car Fest?
Co-host
You know, I worked at it. I worked at an antique shop in the up east side.
Customer
Okay.
Co-host
Oh, here you have. There's big money in antiques.
Advertiser
Yeah. And he says, we're turning a profit, aren't we? You know, like, yeah, they're. They're trading in a lot of great stuff.
Customer
I mean, what are they trading in? Because Johnny Lee Miller is, like, bringing him a crossbow. Like.
Co-host
Like curiosities, though, Paul. Like all sorts of curiosities.
Advertiser
And if it's not related to Van Helsing's previous work as a monster hunter, then I guess it gets sold at auction.
Customer
But the safe, the state of the art safe that you have, the vault is a true catacomb. Like, the building is, you know. Yes. It's made out of stone and it's in this. And I don't know what that real building is in London, but it. It's a beautiful building.
Advertiser
There's a lot of cool visual stuff that is that is real, you know, inside of this that I enjoyed. Yeah.
Customer
But when they open up this safe, they go into an old school medieval Game of Thrones style dungeon where it's like skulls are out, like, and, and like things are being kept on shelves. It's like at this point, yeah. Van Helsing could have just cleaned up. Cleaned up, upped it, put some nice security in. Like, his security even seems to be antiquated. Like just old school spikes, beaten.
Advertiser
It's easily. I mean, like, there's a die hard level, Nakatomi Plaza. Like we're in, you know, just like hacking the computer and then it's over. We're. We're like, it's so easy for. What is Omar Epps. Yeah. To me, it seems to me like this group is not like super sophisticated. They seem like they're just trying to come in and rob the place.
Customer
They literally have a recreation of Van Helsing's eye, which is like.
Co-host
Yeah, I found them to be pretty sophisticated. So much so that I was like, who is behind this? Exact.
Advertiser
I think Omar Epps and Omar and Jennifer Esposito.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
Because she's the one that's saying there's something if there's. No, you don't have a vault. They don't know. That's the thing. They don't know.
Co-host
I'm just trying to understand they. Jennifer's position are they. They own a private plane, it seems a private jet.
Customer
Yeah. A prop.
Advertiser
Or they. Or they get one. Yeah, they are. They're like a fee team. They're like Ocean's Eleven.
Co-host
I guess they're like Ocean's Eleven. I'm just like, what's interesting about them to me is that they already must have so much money as just an organization of criminals. Well, but they already must have so much money that they have a private plane, that they've embedded her in this. They got all these people on the payroll to open up a safe where they don't know what's going to be there.
Customer
That's my issue. Jennifer Esposito, if you are a master safe cracker, she's like, my gut tells me they got something good in here.
Advertiser
You wouldn't mount this whole operation without knowing what you were stealing. You would never. You would never go to these lengths on a hunch. You know what I mean? Literally, I should hope that they have.
Customer
Antiquities, they have things that they could steal that are worth a lot of money.
Advertiser
Now. I kind of want there to be an Ocean's Eleven sequel.
Customer
Oh, I wrote that down.
Advertiser
We need a sequel where what they're stealing is Dracula. Where it's like they get everybody around and it's like that snappy music and then Clooney's like, okay, we know that Dracula is underneath the Wynn Hotel, the Hotel and Casino in Vegas. We're gonn win. We're going to soak it in blood and we're going to wake Dracula.
Customer
Oh, and by the way, the way that they pronounce Dracula, the way Dracula, they. They are able to run off with what looks like an incredibly heavy coffin so quickly that Van Helsing, when he realizes that his shit's being broken into, doesn't even give chase. But it seems like they're in a sewer tunnel with a giant ass coffin. There was no car. There was.
Advertiser
They would have gotten max 100ft from where they were, you know, before he was like, oh, hey, stop believe.
Co-host
It's broad daylight when they get in there.
Advertiser
And they also exit through a hole in the wall. They have no idea where it's going.
Customer
They just. Part of plan.
Co-host
They're just improvising again. If I were them, I would just take whatever. Honestly, I would sell that private jet and I would put that money in a. In a, you know, high yielding kind of IRA or something, by the way, and just live off.
Customer
Oh, that's a good one. You should definitely do a rock.
Co-host
Why are we doing this?
Advertiser
This is investment, you know, how did this get financed?
Customer
How did this get invested? I will say this. What I really love about the robbery scene is the constant justifications. Like they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll definitely put skulls up to, to freak us out.
Advertiser
Yeah. Don't you get it? Don't you get it? This is just to scare us away. What?
Customer
No, we aren't 2,000 people, by the way.
Advertiser
It's shocking throughout how much people. And I guess maybe this is just the thing is, like in horror movies, how much people are willing to justify true warning signs as just absolutely normal?
Co-host
Major red flags.
Customer
Omar Epps is doing backflips here to explain why they should be taking a coffin that's ingesting blood.
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Customer
The skulls are to scare us. The crosses, the coffin, all of it. It's a grand spanking mind fuck to scare off thieves. If you make a killing, why hide it in a safe when you can hide it in a coffin? This looks like an old wood box to you guys? The Holy Grail, the Golden Fleece, the Crown, fucking jewels. Whatever it is, it's inside. Eddie, Dax and Shade, you get your.
Advertiser
Gear and you get this thing open.
Customer
I am not touching that fucking car. Wanna get paid? Get it open. I mean that seemed to me is like I don't follow this leader. I don't believe in this. Like they are delusional. I don't think they are good thieves. I feel like.
Advertiser
Let me ask you this. They're, they're, they are. They seem to think they're robbing obviously a wealthy antiquities dealer who has a vault. A vault probably full of riches. Okay, got it. Do they know or do they not know that his name is Van Helsing?
Customer
Because Dracula does exist here in this world.
Co-host
They do know.
Advertiser
And if they do know that do they are is nobody from the Jennifer Esposito, Omar Epps.
Co-host
Great question.
Advertiser
And even Johnny Lee Miller, frankly, even though he's not part of the robbers, he's still in Van Helsing's employ. Nobody is ever like hey, are you related to Van Helsing of the Van Helsing's. Van Helsing?
Co-host
Like it makes no another question, you know, not to get back to their financial situation. But if I'm. If I have developed or have the ability to get the technology to copy someone's retina and their handprints, that's Minority.
Customer
Report level stuff like a movie that came out, that's like future technology.
Co-host
That's fine if they know the hope diamonds behind there. But what I cannot wrap my mind around is just they have this. I mean how much do you think that cost? That eyeball alone, the fuel for the place.
Advertiser
I did think it was cool, the eyeball, the close up on the eyeball turning into the lock undoing on the vault. Yeah, there was some cool visuals in there and I liked all that stuff. But I agree with you 100%. They must have invested tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars into the pre work for a robbery. They did not know what it would yield.
Customer
Okay, here, here's another thing I just want to put out there about these robbers. It's, it seems like it's quitting time when they pull off their first. You know when. Because it's like, oh, I'm leaving for the day, Goodbye. Door closes, you know, so let's say it's five or six o'clock, give or take, you know, in that zone, you know.
Co-host
Yeah, I guess it's not broad daylight. You're right. It's the end of day.
Customer
And the end of day, end of, bend it, end of.
Advertiser
And it's London. So it's gloomy and gray.
Co-host
Exactly. That's very true. Perfect setting for, you know, perfect robbing.
Customer
Weather, perfect drag weather. And so here's my thought. They run down that sewer tunnel and they're like, okay, well, here's a manhole cover. And then so in the middle of early evening rush hour traffic, they're popping open a manhole cover and then lifting easily a 300 pounds, like 200 pounds.
Advertiser
I would say 500 pounds. It's like, it's a steel. It has a corpse in it. And it is made of the heaviest.
Customer
Metal, like lead, it feels like. So they're just pushing that up again. Get me a camera on this team.
Advertiser
A bunch of their guys have been killed. And that's the other thing. They don't react at all. Two of their cohorts have been killed by antique booby traps.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
These guys are getting full blown speared with like, you know, you know, and everybody's just like, whoa, okay, come on, we got to get this thing out of here. And they just, they, they move so quickly past their dead teammates that I was like, what? There is. I think the movie's problem is. The movie's problem is it's not sure who the movie's about. You know, like, if this movie was smart, it would have been about. It would have been Ocean's Eleven. It would have been about the robbers and their. They've got a tip, they've got a lead, they're gonna rob this place. And then when they get there, oh, it's Dracula.
Co-host
Or the movie could have just been about Mary Von Helsing, which I thought was interesting. I was like, oh, that's. That's sort of a new way into Dracula. Like someone who has part Dracula blood. Yeah, like, or that was fascinating.
Customer
Or it could have been about the guy that he hired to make all those contraptions. Like, all right, so I do need a coffin that, you know, that crucifix is going to turn and pop open. I do need, I do need, like, a lot of leeches. I need a helmet.
Advertiser
Like, I need all that happened like a hundred years ago.
Customer
Okay. So that's old technology. I think that's coffin's old school. All right. Wow.
Advertiser
Yeah, that's going to be heavier and the, and the switch underneath it. And. Because also the booby traps seemed like they were like rusty spikes from 100 years. They were.
Co-host
Think those booby traps, like, do you think they're tested? Like, you know, when you leave a car at some. A friend's house. And then like you ask them to go start it every, you know, once a week. So it doesn't. I don't know.
Advertiser
Do you think. You think they do dry runs?
Co-host
Yeah, like, just because. Just because if those booby traps hadn't been used for hundreds of years, like, wow.
Advertiser
Well, and I will say this. And now I'm going to amend what I said. All those booby traps were old, but there is also a modern security system, like a computer based security system. At some point, somebody would have had to have installed all that.
Customer
You could go there.
Advertiser
Yeah.
Customer
And cleaned up the skulls. I mean, by the way, you and.
Co-host
I just had a conversation not to talk about. You know, I've. I know I've gotten into a lot of trouble on this podcast with what I've said about locksmiths, but I did want to say, you know, just talking about security systems because I. Actually one of the ways they get in to the antiquities firm is one of the. One of the robbers says he's part of security and is checking on the security system.
Customer
Well, and also they throw like a Pokemon, a Pokemon ball at one of the things. Like whatever technology that is that Omar Epps throws an exploding ball at that guy's face. Like that seems like it's just a stun thing, but I've never seen that technology.
Co-host
Yeah. Make a military and live the rest of your lives in peace. Alive.
Advertiser
They don't. They don't want that. They love the juice.
Co-host
Never been in there anyway.
Advertiser
What? I could have been in there.
Co-host
You and I just went over last night. Something that I had completely forgotten, which is a gentleman who installed our security system. This is way back when. At an early bars. Was incredibly creepy.
Customer
We did go over that, Jason.
Co-host
We did.
Customer
We turned it over that.
Co-host
And I was like, God, you got.
Advertiser
Wait, you just did. Or at the time.
Customer
No, last night.
Co-host
No, it was like we'd never talked about it. This event that happened where this man said something so fucking strange to me while we were both in the house and we were walking around showing him, like, where we needed to protect ourselves. And he was like, straight up serial killer.
Advertiser
Straight up.
Co-host
Okay. And then we proceeded to pay him to install all of our alarms. But I. I mean, once they're in.
Customer
Your house, you've already. You have. You got to roll the dice.
Advertiser
Contract. You can. You can go to someone else.
Customer
Well, he's already in. He's already in. We already invited the vampire.
Advertiser
That's the.
Co-host
Basically that's gone in.
Advertiser
That's the cold open to one of these movies, that's like, okay, you know, he says something creepy, and then you're like, we sure are still going to use you. And then, yeah.
Co-host
And I just feel like a consumer of security systems. You have no recourse with this. You know, with, like, the people who are installing. It's like, I have to assume at some point I have to take a leap of faith here.
Advertiser
Cut to Jerry Orbach's walking around surveying your bodies, being like, I don't know what happened. And the rest of the Law and Order episode happens.
Customer
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Advertiser
Well, remember, Dracula ties the pilot to his chair and I believe, makes him take him to New Orleans.
Customer
And the only reason why he wants to go to New Orleans is because.
Advertiser
He feels he can sense the blood of Mary is Van Helsing's daughter who passed some of Dracula's blood onto Mary. Christopher Plummer is Mary's father. He has Dracula's blood. So now Dracula consents. I believe this is the movie's logic. Consents. Mary's presence in the world. They're dreaming about her, right?
Customer
They see each other.
Advertiser
They see each other, like in dreams, Like Kylo Ren. Like Rey and Kylo Ren. I wrote that.
Customer
I didn't even put that together.
Co-host
Are you saying. Okay, so here's what I just didn't like quite pick up on before he's awakened by the robbers. Dracula, Dracula. Does she have any sense of him or.
Advertiser
No, she's dreaming about him before he wakes up. Yes. Her whole life she says.
Customer
Yeah, because like, her roommate's like, you're yelling again.
Advertiser
I think Vitamin C is getting worse. Maybe. Wait, who is Vitamin C?
Customer
You keep saying that Vitamin C is Lucy Westerman, but I mean, I'm sorry.
Advertiser
Who is Vitamin C?
Customer
Oh, sorry, good question. So vitamin C was like. And I don't want to use this term derogatorily, but a one hit wonder like, had a very popular song, and I'm trying to remember the name of it. It was graduation. Here, take a listen to that. And to give together and as our lives change Come whatever We will still be friends forever.
Co-host
And so who was vitamin C in the movie?
Advertiser
Lucy Westerman?
Customer
The roommate. The roommate who works at Virgin Megastore and is in front of her own rack of CDs.
Advertiser
Oh, is that right? Oh, that is.
Co-host
Okay. So she created that graduation song.
Customer
Yes. Was singer of it.
Co-host
Singing in it.
Customer
That's her. Yeah. Her name was Vitamin C and she was a singer, and she had no one.
Co-host
Okay, got it.
Customer
Yeah. I mean, she released a lot of. A lot of albums. I mean, there's a lot of tracks, I should say. I, I, I, I. I thought she was forever.
Advertiser
She was great.
Co-host
I thought she was great.
Advertiser
I didn't know.
Co-host
And I gotta say, I'm gonna say, I think I've said this before. I absolutely love Jennifer Esposito.
Customer
I wrote it down. MVP in these movies. But she's.
Advertiser
She is in so many of our terrible, terrible movies and is so good.
Co-host
Always so fucking good.
Customer
What is so good about her, too, is, like, I feel like she gets it. Like, she gets the movie that she's in, and there's a moment where she. At the end of the movie where she has a crossbow and she literally takes, like, a pose with it. Like a chick chick, and like. Like a sexy, like, and now I'm gonna kill you pose. But she, like, can revel in all those moments and play awesome. Awesome all around. Like, I feel like she's having fun.
Advertiser
She gets what's happened. She gets what the. What movie she's in. A bunch of people do in this movie. I'm not, you know, not. But I think she's doing vitamin C, too. They're do. They're really. They're. And Jerry. Jerry Ryan. Right. Jerry Ryan.
Co-host
Where Jerry Ryan gets killed. It's just so good. I mean, she's just perfect.
Customer
Jeri Ryan does say one thing that I, I took some offense to, which is when she's attacking Johnny Lee Miller, she goes, you ever want to do it with a TV star? And I was like, well, you're not really a TV star. You're. You're a local news reporter. I mean, like, let's not elevate our.
Advertiser
Let's not elevate your position. You don't think there was commentary on her role as a, As a TV star? You don't think that was a meta.
Customer
Oh, I think this is before that Maybe. But maybe I'm wrong. I think voyage.
Advertiser
Oh, all right.
Customer
But. But I'll say this. Can we just listen to her do her news report?
Co-host
I'm here in a swamp of death tonight for five doomed souls destined for points unknown. We have shocking footage of the presumed pilot. Sensitive viewers may want to turn away. He was bizarrely lashed to the yoke with radio cable and bound in twisted pipe. The remaining four victims, as well as an antique silver coffin were removed to nearby Clark, where a tiny town hall has been transformed into a morgue tonight.
Customer
That is, like, some of the most unprofessional reporting. Like, she's like, swamp of death, flight of death. And she's like. And. And the way that she describes five bodies. Like, it overcrowded the morgue. Really? Five bodies. You got to take it to a town hall. Like, this is New Orleans. I imagine people are dying. Like, we just.
Advertiser
We just saw Lance Henriksen and Jean Claude Van Damme rack up quite a lot of bodies.
Customer
Yeah. No one. No one's filling up a county courthouse, by the way. I wanted them to bump into Lance Hendrickson when they ran through that cemetery is, like, perfect crossover here.
Advertiser
What they. What they needed was one of those rifles that shoots arrows.
Customer
They.
Advertiser
That. So that they could shoot, you know, wooden stakes out of a rifle. That would have been amazing.
Co-host
So let me just ask. Okay. Not to jump to the end, but Mary Van Helsing is part human, part vampire, so.
Customer
Because her dad.
Co-host
Right. Because her dad had the blood in him, right.
Advertiser
From the spear that went through Dracula and then into.
Customer
So Christopher Plummer. I mean, I like that. Capturing again. Who's the man who invents these traps? That trap was pretty amazing. It was like he's walking down an alley, but it was all mirrors. Then behind all the mirrors are guys with, like, you know, pointy sticks. And, you know, I guess they're sticks, but they're not like that. Like, the contraptions are great, but. Yeah, so I guess Van Helsing at one point was like a captured Dracula. Now it's time for me to go get laid. Have a life. And he does, but then disowns this doll.
Advertiser
Was this a cut scene that you saw? Now I need to go get laid.
Co-host
It's that his wife finds out and she leaves him.
Customer
Okay, but why is his wife worried?
Advertiser
Probably because Dracula's in the basement's.
Co-host
A vampire? Yeah.
Advertiser
No, I don't think. I don't think Christopher Plummer is a vampire. I think he's.
Co-host
Well, what is he?
Customer
He looks Young. Well, he has for his age.
Advertiser
But I think that's because he's in. He's injecting himself with Dracula's blood. He. Remember, he's taking the leeches. I thought he's been.
Customer
Yes, yeah. Oh, no, you're right. Okay, so I thought the leeches were sucking out his blood to make him not full vampire.
Co-host
That's what I said.
Advertiser
I thought he was using the leeches to suck vampires blood out of Dracula. All right, because then he's right, because Dracula's covered with leeches. Then he's taking those leeches, sucking out the blood in a syringe, putting it into his body to give him long life.
Customer
Okay, so then, so then your theory would. Going back to what June said earlier, is that he's down in that coffin quite a lot. Yeah. If he's getting the leashes off the body, like, I don't know, like, you.
Advertiser
Know, like, you know, like, how often do you refill a prescription?
Customer
Well, I mean, it looks like he had like four containers of leeches underneath that.
Advertiser
He's got to call. He's got to call Rite Aid and be like, I need. I need another month of leeches.
Customer
Your leeches are in. Please come to pick up your leeches.
Advertiser
Dial 0 for pharmacy.
Co-host
Confused about how he's able to take so much of that blood and because.
Customer
I think he would be immortal.
Co-host
Work like, you take enough that you. That he's able to live forever, but he doesn't actually become a vampire.
Customer
I think what it is is this. He shared blood with Dracula. He shared blood with him, but his daughter is of the blood, the true mix. Like, it's almost like somebody put a little bit of blood in his blood, but then when he passed his blood to her, she is made of that blood.
Advertiser
So I think they're getting benefits. I. And maybe this is. People are probably screaming at their radios because we're getting.
Customer
Why am I listening to a podcast on my radio?
Advertiser
Yeah, exactly. They're getting their Dracula. We're getting Dracula lore mixed up. Because I don't know if it makes you a vampire. If you just get some of Dracula's blood inside you. Don't you have to be bitten?
Co-host
Yeah, of course.
Customer
But that's what he says.
Advertiser
Van Helsing is never bitten.
Co-host
She was born.
Advertiser
No, Van Helsing was never bitten either.
Customer
But she. But the woman was. But Mary Van Helsing was bitten by J.
Advertiser
Later in the movie.
Customer
And then that. And that's what makes her part Drac, part Helsing.
Co-host
He says before the reason why he's looking for her is because she's the only one like him who was not bitten but born vampire.
Customer
Well, no, no, but he was born as Judas. Surprised? Surprise. Yeah.
Advertiser
He was born as Judas Iscariot and is somehow, upon betraying Christ and hanging himself, he is reborn as an immortal.
Customer
Question about this.
Co-host
Yeah, I don't. Yeah.
Customer
Okay. So the idea being in my remembrance of Catholic school and going to church and all this sort of stuff, and. June, I know that you have, you know, a similar background of church, so let's see if we can put it together. My thought was that Judas betrays Jesus, feels so guilty about it that he kills himself in this movie. It posits. And then he's like, fuck that. Now I hate this guy. Like. Like, it takes away the remorse element of Judas. So Judas, like, is wanting forgiveness. He feels so badly that that's why he commits suicide. But then he comes back going like, oh, I hate the Bible and I hate gold, because it reminds me of Jesus who betrayed me. It feels like. It's almost like Jesus did this.
Advertiser
Yeah, no, I don't. No, no, I don't think it's that Jesus did this. I think that. I think that he is. Yeah, he is reborn to live in misery.
Customer
He's now suffering.
Advertiser
And he blames. He blames God and. And obviously Christ for his, like, eons of suffering.
Customer
So basically, like, Jesus was like. So in the movie, guys, what I'm saying is, like. Is the movie positing that God is watching over this and is like, you fucked over my son for 20 pieces of silver. So you know what? You're gonna become a motherfucking vampire. Like. And, like, it's like a vengeful God.
Advertiser
Well, remember at the beginning of the movie, Johnny Lee Miller comes in and he says.
Co-host
Oh, yeah, he reads that thing.
Advertiser
Yeah, yeah. He reads a thing that says, you know, the crown, blah, blah, blah, falling off the blah, blah, blah. And Christopher Plummer corrects him and says, actually, it's Halo. And I think what it's. I think what we're meant to believe maybe is that this is a little bit of a fallen angel story.
Co-host
Which, by the way, to my understanding, and I'm sure so many people are screaming at their radios.
Customer
I mean, some people are looking at their phonograph player and they're going like, ugh.
Advertiser
They've tuned us in on AM on 1010 WINS, where we air, where we simulcast.
Customer
If we can look at our audience right now, their heads are all cocking like that dog going like, where is that sound coming out of that megaphone on the top of that photograph?
Advertiser
Yeah, I know. You're listening to us on a wax cylinder.
Co-host
That's the shirt.
Customer
How did this get made? Victrola.
Co-host
Simple, as far as I know. For and for all the families gathered around the radio right now, as far as I know, this is a brand new kind of take on how Dracula became Dracula.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
Seems like it. Yeah. Because in the past.
Co-host
Okay, so in the past, we've understood.
Customer
Him as a past.
Advertiser
I believe. I believe he has been Vlad the Impaler.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
That's who we understand to be modern day Dracula is.
Customer
So look in Bram Stoker. In Bram Stroker, though, in Bam. Oh, sorry. In Bram Stoker's novel.
Advertiser
In Bam Margera's novel, what happens is.
Customer
Johnny Knoxville kicks him so hard in the balls that he grows vampire teeth.
Advertiser
Hey, it's me, Bam Stoker. But basically kicked in the balls by Dracula. Wow.
Customer
Now, now, so in. In the novel, he used black magic to turn himself into a vampire, but he did it out of eternal love for his bride, who he'd meet again when she was reincarnated. So that. Yeah, but then. Yeah. So I don't know.
Advertiser
Oh, so inside of the Dracula narrative, reincarnation exists. That's interesting as well.
Customer
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of.
Advertiser
But this, this movie is the first time I've ever experienced the idea that Dracula is Judas.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
Who is meant to, I guess, meant to live for all eternity in. In regret for the actions he did by killing God's son.
Customer
It seems like if you come back as Dracula and you're just like, can control everything. You can make mist do what you want. Every, like, person that you're attracted to is like, under your command. Like, it seems you can turn into.
Advertiser
A wolf, you can turn into bats. It's. It's pretty rad. Yeah.
Co-host
Yes.
Advertiser
You're sexy afraid.
Co-host
A great life, you know, and it's also like very fluid sexually, you know?
Customer
Yes.
Co-host
Women, men, men biting men, women biting women. It's all, you know, it's. It's all happening.
Advertiser
Are you. I'm curious, are. Are you guys vampire? Like, were you. Did you read the an Rice books? Were you like, when or any of the kind of. Because vampires have had multiple, just in our lifetimes, multiple periods of incredible popularity.
Customer
Including Twilight and the rest vampire movie I've ever seen is Leslie Nielsen's Dracula Dead and loving it, of course. And that, you know, that is really where I began and end. And nothing really tops it. There as far as scary, fun, spooky.
Co-host
Sexy, I mean, yeah, I did enjoy the Twilight.
Customer
We did it on the show. I like them.
Co-host
Oh, yeah, yeah, right. I was like, when did we watch them?
Advertiser
Oh, yeah. Apparently the Interview with a Vampire series that's happening right now is pretty good.
Co-host
That's supposed to be incredible. I can't wait to see.
Advertiser
So I don't know. And I'm not a. I'm not a. I'm not a vampire or. Or really fan. I'm not a vampire. I was going to say a vampire fan, but. But I've heard from multiple people that.
Co-host
Here's where I was disappointed. I. I'm interested in the world and some of the themes, etc, I think are super interesting. And the women, the sexuality, all of that. I'm like, yeah. The men, the sort of homosexuality piece of it. It's all. I think it's a really cool world. I. I was so bummed that the teeth looked the way they did because.
Advertiser
I'm like, it made people sound bad.
Co-host
It made people sound bad, but it was also just like, okay, like, this is. I. I honestly feel like if I went to the Halloween store right now, I could find something that was better and more visually interesting than what they were wearing in this.
Advertiser
As teeth.
Co-host
Yeah, in this film. Yeah. As little flippers. They were ridiculous.
Advertiser
They were ridiculous because they were practical. They looked out of place. They looked like they were filling people's mouths. Their speech was all.
Customer
But it's also like, did vampires evolve? Because in the cave, or safe. Whatever you want to call it, safe tomb, whatever it is, they find some skulls which Omar Epps immediately destroys, which is just a gross, you know, just a terrible way to just treat a dead body. But he. But all the vampire teeth were the front two teeth, almost like Bugs Bunny.
Advertiser
Like, they had different teeth. There were different ones in different places because.
Customer
Oh, they all had different.
Advertiser
Different species of vampires. I do know that from comics. You know, some are like the Nosferatu, which got. Plumber says, which is the front to. Some are like the fangs. Traditional, like spread. Whatever the canines or whatever these are.
Customer
Yeah.
Advertiser
Anyway. But, yeah, no, and those, by the way, vampire skulls. You know how expensive. You know how valuable those would be? Come on.
Co-host
Honestly, Run in there.
Advertiser
That's the treasure.
Co-host
Run.
Advertiser
And that's the treasure.
Co-host
Yeah, absolutely.
Customer
I mean, I kind of found these teeth to be. Besides the fact that I am pretty positive Gerard Butler isn't completely dubbed the entire film because clearly whatever they got with those teeth in was not working or being Sexy. Like, I feel like it really was crowding his mouth. I found them to be.
Advertiser
That's a. That's a T shirt. Crowded mouth.
Customer
Crowded mouth. Like, but, like, the. The idea of, like, I don't know, they felt really sharp and like, they felt like they were doing the job right. Like. Like, like, it didn't. It felt like the teeth were there for the right reasons, not for show. But maybe you're wrong. Maybe you guys think. I mean, you guys don't like these teeth. I thought the teeth looked actually very, like, razor. Like. Like, oh, that would really cut into me. I felt like there was a lot of like. Like slight. I don't know. I don't know. I felt that.
Advertiser
I felt like, boy, I would have liked it if the teeth were. And maybe this goes against the kind of inherent sexiness of the movie or. Or however you want to look at it, but I felt like, to June's point, like, kind of too white and too big. And I was like, oh, there's something that would make it scarier to me if his teeth were, like, sharp and yellow and looked like.
Customer
Oh, yeah, they're not yellow. They're like Crest White strips.
Advertiser
Yeah, they, you know, like, he. And I get it. He's. By sucking the blood out of the bad guys on the plane, he is. He goes from a withered husk of a man into youthful Gerard Butler. So I understand the reasoning, but it's just not as scary. But he remains then super sexy, which I think is what the movie wants. And by the way, because everywhere he goes, everybody's like, oh, my God, look at this hunk.
Customer
But that's Dracula's mind trickery. Like, that's not always. Oh, really?
Advertiser
Not always? I don't think he tricks Lucy in the Virgin Megastore.
Customer
Oh, I think it's like he's exuding this. Like, you think he's.
Advertiser
What is it called? Glamouring.
Co-host
I think that, yeah, he put her under his spell.
Advertiser
Under his.
Customer
I think anyone comes in contact. I think he's almost exuding it. Like.
Co-host
Like.
Customer
Like a bug zapper or like, you know, it's like it's just out. Like, he can't.
Co-host
She's, like, pretty with, like a bug zapper.
Customer
Like, you know, there's some energy.
Advertiser
Like a bug's.
Customer
You know what? Like a citronella candle. That's what I would say. A citronella candle is a better.
Advertiser
He's exuding sexuality. Like a bug zapper, man. You ever look at a bug zapper and you're like, that's so hot.
Customer
Well, if I'm a mosquito, I do because I'm like, oh, I gotta get in there.
Co-host
I gotta get in there. Jennifer Esposito, get me in there.
Advertiser
You're actually right, Paul. It is like a bug zapper. It draws you in. It draws you in and you get zapped.
Customer
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Advertiser
She bit her own lip?
Co-host
Yeah.
Advertiser
You see her do one of these.
Customer
Okay, okay.
Advertiser
With her little, with her new fangs.
Customer
But that's, but her. Wouldn't her lip be bleeding profusely at that point too? Like.
Advertiser
Well, I think there is blood on her.
Customer
Oh, got it. Okay.
Advertiser
Blood on her and on him. Because that's, and that's why it looks like she did do it.
Customer
Okay, okay. It's a messy way to be, but I, I get it now. I get it.
Co-host
What I couldn't understand, actually. And, and you might say, June, you weren't paying attention enough. But I, I feel like a lot of the movie we are instructed over and over and the rules are laid out on how these vampires can be killed. And, and we also know that Dracula cannot be killed. But the way that she kills him was that set up so he can be killed. He's pretty much hanging by the cross in the sun. She figured that what it was.
Advertiser
Well, I think he lights on fire because the sun comes up and starts hitting him.
Customer
Well, but he thought.
Co-host
So he's not killed by, by the, the wire she put around him when she jumps off. Okay.
Customer
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think no I think it's twofold. Because if it's just sunlight, then. Then Christopher Plummer's a complete fucking idiot. Like, just put him in sunlight. Right. Like, I think it had.
Co-host
You created all that stuff in that room. Put a sunroof in there.
Customer
Yeah. Well, I think the idea was he needed to be hung again because in this movie, the cord snapped.
Co-host
That's what I think is right.
Customer
Right. So he was saved. Now Jesus on that neon cross is holding him. I mean, because she did say we take the body back. She took the body back. The last scene of the movie, the ashes. Right.
Advertiser
She's.
Customer
How did she collect the ashes? I mean, that was on a high up the building. She's going around New Orleans and.
Advertiser
But does the end of the movie. Doesn't the end of the movie suggest that he's kind of back?
Customer
She's back because she's seeing him. She's seeing him trapped in the coffin like always.
Advertiser
Yeah. Okay. Okay. But I think the movie would have you believe he isn't dead. He can't be killed. He will somehow reconstitute in a sequel.
Customer
Well, yes. Well, there were two direct to DVD sequels.
Advertiser
What?
Customer
Oh, yeah, yeah, there were. There were two. It was. Let's see, is one of them called.
Advertiser
Never Fuck with an antiques dealer 2.
Customer
I was like, you know, Dracula 2000 was followed by two direct to video sequels, Ascension in 2003 and Legacy in 2005. Same team co wrote all three films and created a plot to a fourth film and discussed releasing it theatrically, but no film has been produced. Now, I say that because I also want to say that the people that are responsible for this film are Patrick Lussier and Joel Swanson. Now the movie is called Wes Craven presents Dracula 2000. Does not seem that Wes Craven is involved in this in any way.
Advertiser
Oh, wow.
Customer
This was a Dimensions film. Weinstein Brothers production. And this is the. This is the thing that I love about this. Clearly they made Scream. So they have a relationship with Wes Craven and I'm sure they gave him a shitload of money to say, pop your name on this just to give us something, because this is Scott Derrickson who, you know, just did Black Phone.
Advertiser
He didn't he do Dr. Strange? The first.
Customer
Did the first one, yeah.
Advertiser
Okay. Yeah.
Customer
So he said that he got a call and they're like, hey, I just bought this script called Dracula 2000. He goes, oh, yeah? Is it good? He goes. And Weinstein replies, no, it stinks. He goes, well, why did you buy it? And he goes, because it's called Dracula 2000.
Advertiser
Wow.
Customer
And that was. That was the.
Advertiser
And and then Scott Derrickton said, I'm in.
Customer
That was. And so he wrote it. Then Aaron Krueger rewrote it and then these guys came on and. And, and they. And then they took it home. So I mean, it's just interesting that they just liked 2000 the title. Yeah, like that title isn't even worth that much. But here's what I'll say about his. The ending. So I guess what they're saying is he asks for forgiveness to God. So that is, I think, how he could get killed. If he asks for forgiveness, then he can be destroyed.
Advertiser
Why does he do. Why does he do it in this moment? I wonder, because I don't particular. Nothing happened at the end of the movie that made me feel as though I was watching Judas reckon with the now thousands of years of. Of what he's done and feel as though he needs to make things right with God.
Co-host
Molly was saying in the chat, like, so Judas betrays. Yeah, Judas betrays Jesus for silver. But like, we don't ever get the sense that Dracula in this version is greedy or wrestling with like. Like the. The greed that Judas wrestled with. So it's the. These things are so disconnected.
Advertiser
Yeah. It felt to me like, wouldn't it be cool. Wouldn't it be cool if we made him Judas instead of it being this the, you know, the traditional kind of Vlad the Impaler. What if we made. What if we went all the way back and made him? When they cut to the Last Supper.
Customer
I was like, oh, and they're kind of. And they're cutting to the Last Supper the way that you would do it.
Advertiser
The Last Supper Supper the way that.
Customer
You would do it at a high school play. Like when he is hanging on that tree, it's like red lights, lone tree. It was like he's staring at Jesus up on the cross. It is a. Why wild.
Advertiser
Oh, it's nonsense.
Co-host
When I realized he's Judas, it was really quite a moment, you guys.
Customer
Well, Judas Iscariot, the cross. Cross, the silver.
Co-host
All the things you came to despise.
Customer
It was my destiny to betray you because you needed me. Now I drink the blood of pure your children. But I give them more than just eternal life. I give them what they crave most. All the pleasure you would deny them forever. It that wasn't. And just to see Gerard Butler in that time, I mean, that's where I was like, this movie is going for it, but do we need any of this do we need.
Advertiser
They quote the. They quote it and Molly just put it in the. In the chat as well. But they. The line that they quote is, blood of my blood, flesh of my flesh. Which is. Which is the. You know, the. The. The what you say on. When you're eating and drinking Communion wafers. Yeah, exactly. When you're getting communion. When you're receiving Communion.
Co-host
Yes. But the idea is not that Jesus actually made them drink his blood. It's that he turned.
Advertiser
This is like, actually a part of where the church splits is people who believe that they were drinking something that was.
Customer
Oh, right.
Advertiser
Actual blood and body and eating the body of Christ and something that just was a stand in for. Well, I know where that is. Like, yeah, yeah, it's all blood, baby.
Customer
Get that blood.
Advertiser
Give me that Savior's blood.
Customer
Oh, my God. By the way, what did you think the conversation was like? Like, Virgin Mega Store. We got a great. We got a great tie in here.
Co-host
That actually, more than anything about this time period, it was actually so great to see it because I was like, oh, man. It was a return to see.
Advertiser
Do you remember layout of it?
Co-host
I was like, whoa.
Advertiser
I remember, like, the Union Square. There was a virgin in Union Square that you could.
Customer
And you could go in there and listen to CDs because you could put on the headphones and play the album. Just sit there. And I was like, I remember waiting for the strip.
Advertiser
So much time. Yeah.
Co-host
Oh, my God. It's just. It was.
Advertiser
Do you think that they chose the Virgin Mega Store because it suggested virginity and that. That is like, That's a big thing in vampire kind of look.
Customer
Well, you know what? I'm gonna say that I think you're right, because this movie is full of, like, hidden Easter eggs. Like, the name of Van Helsing's antique business is Carfax Abbey, which is the name of the house that Dracula moves into in the book.
Advertiser
Carfax. Carfax.
Co-host
Carfax, yeah.
Advertiser
Wait, isn't that a Marcus Lemonis company?
Customer
I don't think Carfax is one of.
Advertiser
The other ones, but maybe it's like.
Customer
But Carfax, if you bring us a antique, antique era, we'll tell you how much it costs.
Co-host
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Customer
I mean, by the way, he's asked to be on the show, and we'd love to have him on the show. We haven't figured it out.
Co-host
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Customer
The metal letters hanging on the wall at the top of Mary's house are L, R, U, C, E, which, if you rearrange them, spell cruel. Oh, and when Dr. Seward says the line, I never drink coffee, there's a lot of, like, a lot of Easter eggs here in this movie. Like, about, like, going back to the roots of the original story, you know, so that. You know that there's a lot. There's a lot to unpack. But I do think that like. Like, virt. Like, this movie feels like everyone was like, this is cool. Like, so much so that the title, Dracula 2000, they were racing to get it out because they needed to. To come out in 2000. And, like, they just, like, they started too late. They started in the summer, so they only had a couple of months to get the whole thing done. So, like. But this movie, oddly, even though it's called Dracula 2000, Virgin Megastore is the only detail that really lines it up with, oh, this is an older movie.
Advertiser
Everything else in time.
Customer
Yeah. Nothing else in it is. Is. Is.
Advertiser
Yeah, there is. There's no other product placement. There's no other. But. But virgin is. The word. Virgin is constantly appearing because they're wearing T shirts that say virgin. They're like, it's. It's very prominent in that regard.
Customer
Yeah. She literally sleeps in her work shirt as a pajama shirt. It's not like she fell asleep in her work shirt. She's like, well, it's so comfortable at work. I'll wear it at home. And then the Virginia. Richard Branson's like, I love that. I love that kind. Surprising that Richard Branson didn't have, like, a bug zapper off with Dracula. Like, they both get there and like, oh, you're sexy. Well, you're sexy. And they high five, and Branson walks.
Advertiser
What's kind of crazy in this whole movie is that, like, even though the movie takes the. The second half of the movie takes place in incredibly crowded Mardi Gras New Orleans, the first half in London, and yet. And. And. And the murders are. They're racking up so many murders throughout. There is no law enforcement presence.
Customer
That's something we saw on Hard Target.
Co-host
New Orleans doesn't care about Jason. Most of those people do end up becoming vampires.
Advertiser
That's true. But I'm just thinking about where were the police who were, like, where the police were, like, where are all the bodies that we put in the. That in that place?
Co-host
That's true. Well, the morgue is so full.
Customer
The morgue is full of bodies. These cops have. I mean, we saw it happen in Hard Target. There's a lot of. They're on strike again. The cops are on strike. I think the same strike. It ties.
Advertiser
It's the same strike. Also, people, nobody's reporting on the fact that local news superstar Jeri Ryan has gone missing.
Co-host
And what.
Advertiser
And that her cameraman, she's. He got chomped.
Customer
She's still doing news. That's the thing. She's still showing up to her shift.
Advertiser
It would be amazing if she was broadcasting. If she did a. If she did a standing piece on the street as a vampire. That would have been amazing.
Customer
Well, by the way, if. If I said. I was upset when she said a TV star. And Jason, you actually were right. Voyager ended in 2001, so she was a TV star. But I do think she was like, breaking news, you're dead. You know, like, that would have been great. I would have liked something like that. You know, let's play it to the character. Well, clearly we had opinions about this movie. The people out there that. That had different opinions. Now time for second opinions. These are five star reviews pulled from Amazon. 62% of reviews are five star review. 60. Really? Yes.
Co-host
Yeah.
Customer
Well, what are you gonna say?
Co-host
Well, no, I was gonna say, like, I did find this movie to be very watchable. I think a part of. A large part of that was because of Jennifer Esposito and just, like, wanting to watch her on screen. But. And also, like, I just think it's. It's. It's watchable. It's. It's not very good. But it. I thought it went down pretty smoothly.
Advertiser
I feel like people. And maybe this is just because of the world. I think people are a lot more for. Of horror movies.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
In terms of, like, oh, maybe the plot doesn't add up or whatever. But. But it was fun or scary or thrilling or it had the, you know, whatever, you know, whatever people want from these movies that I think if they get it a little bit, they're like, great. I loved it.
Customer
I. But this is my issue with this movie. On, On a. On a base level. I think the performances are good. I think there's some really fun ideas in here, but it's not scary. It's like the Minions, the new Minions movie, Rise of Gru. Like, the other Minions movies are. Are funny. This one is like this.
Advertiser
This is like the Minions. This is a comparison I was not expecting.
Customer
I mean, I'm bug zapping and Minions, I guess, like, it. It feels adjacent to like the Minions. Rise of Groove feels like, oh, yeah, this is try. Like, it's not even trying. It's like, oh, yeah, that's a comedy.
Advertiser
Just feel like it's promoting the movie.
Co-host
Well, you have to understand Jason. So Minions Rise of Gru is on our. So much.
Customer
So much.
Advertiser
We watched car.
Co-host
I know. Our Chrysler Pacific minivan.
Customer
Yes.
Co-host
Pacific minivan. And, you know, the kids are watching it almost every time we get in the car. So from here on out, everything is going to be in relation to Minions Rise of Gru. Like, it's either, like, not like Minions Rise of Gru, but what I find about Minions are North Star now what.
Customer
I find about Minions Rise of Groove, it truly is. It's the way to kill vampires is through showing the Minions Rise of Gru. But the. The thing that I think. Think about when I listen to that movie every day is I. It's not bad, but it's not funny. It's kind of has a plot, but nothing that I really care about. And what's the story? Not much. And it's like. That's what this movie is like. There's no real scares. It's like, no jump scares. The horror scene, I had a couple.
Co-host
Jump scares when he first popped out.
Advertiser
A couple.
Customer
The leech in the face.
Advertiser
They're not. It's really. And it's not a. It's not scary. It's more. Maybe it's more of a. I guess it's a monster y thrillery movie.
Customer
No, I think it's all. But it's like.
Advertiser
I guess it's light, sort of.
Customer
It's light.
Advertiser
It is light.
Co-host
It's light.
Customer
To me, the thing that I. What I was most intrigued by in June, you didn't even get to really experience it the way I did, which is like, going, is that Gerard Butler? How is that Gerard Butler?
Co-host
Let me look at this spookiest part. Talk about spooky season. I was like, every time I came close to thinking it was Gerard Butler, I was then confident it wasn't.
Customer
It was like he was edging us the entire movie.
Co-host
It really was. It was a crazy experience.
Customer
All right. Yeah.
Advertiser
Yeah, it was. It. It's not. Yeah, it's tough. But I will say it is very slick to June's point of it going down smooth. It's very slick. And it's not like, you know, they shot clearly during Mardi Gras. Like, there's a ton of, like, visual stimuli in the movie that is pretty good. You know? Like, it's. It's. It's well done in that regard, but it's like, I couldn't make heads or tails of.
Customer
Of.
Advertiser
Who am I rooting for? Whose story is this? Do it. When are we getting closer or further from the goal of any protagonist? And I didn't know. There's a couple of very blunt exposition dumps that come very late in the movie. So even then, you're like. You spend the first 50 minutes of the movie being like, who is everybody? And what is their relationship?
Co-host
I also love the idea that, you know, from their apartment from. From Mary's apartment. Like the idea that if you live in New Orleans, you automatically have Mardi Gras masks up.
Customer
Oh, yeah.
Co-host
Several in that bedroom.
Customer
Well, you never know when it's gonna happen. You gotta come run down. It's like an umbrella. If you live in London, you need it by the door.
Co-host
Somebody who actually lives in New Orleans seems to just, like, detest Mardi Gras.
Advertiser
Oh, yeah. To be like, we gotta get out.
Co-host
Of town in a totally different way than, like, what tourists do there. Yeah.
Customer
Yeah. It's not there just to get fucked up. The. The thing I think about this movie, to your point, about it being slick, is I like a movie like this. Where I watched it. I was like, oh, this is fun. And it's. You know. And they've got some weird stuff, but I enjoyed it. And then when you leave, it all falls apart. That, to me, is a trick that I'm like, oh, yeah, this doesn't really make sense if you think about it. But good editing. And this director was a former editor, edited all the Scream movies, the first three. Like, I think that there is a pacing to it. It's like, don't worry about it. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. And it's enough. You're right. You know, it's like, you're right.
Advertiser
They don't let you. Nothing sticks or scenes linger too long. Nothing sticks around long enough for you to start to poke holes in it. They're just like, on to the next visual. Overwhelming visual stimuli. On to the next, you know, boom, boom, boom. And you.
Co-host
I'm just sort of, like, trying to figure out the Judas piece. All of a sudden, he's, like, hanging off of the. A crucifix.
Advertiser
I mean, I loved the part where they're. Johnny Lee Miller and Mary Van Helsing find themselves in a. In a. Is it a church library? Where are they? In a. And then he's got a giant Bible that he tries to threaten Dracula with. And then he uses the Bible Like a gun where he opens it wide and it shoots pages out Like.
Customer
Like. Like a fire bullet. It's like, what? Like, like the. Like the Bible.
Advertiser
The pages of the Bible are bullets of fire to Dracula. I was like, well, how does Johnny. Keep in mind Johnny Lee Miller for his. He starts as the assistant antiquities dealer. The antiquities buyer.
Customer
Yeah.
Advertiser
He's not a Van Helsing. He's not a monster hunter. He's not a monster, monster guy. All of. Maybe the movie should be from his point of view. What the fuck is this world? I just stumbled. But it's not.
Customer
He literally goes from, hey, this is a world with vampires and shit's going down to like, killing immediately. And then being like, now I'm just on this tear. Now I'm like, yeah, now I'm a fucking full on assassin. He doesn't seem to have any background of killing or anything. He. Although he.
Advertiser
Well, he also gets beat up savagely, repeatedly, and never has a mark on him, never has a limp. Very strong Dracula. Gerard Butler, Omar Epps. Once he's a vampire, multiple vampires with full strength toss him around like a rag doll. And he is fine.
Customer
I mean, look, they toss Christopher Plummer around too. I mean, and he gets up a couple times because it gives me. Yeah, he's running. But you see. Why is he running out of Dracula blood? Because he just shot himself up that night. He seems like he got on a plane the next day and he's like automatically super old.
Advertiser
I don't know how much he has to. I don't know what his habit is.
Customer
Okay, that's smart. Okay, well, we'll check.
Advertiser
I don't know what his dosage is. I don't know.
Customer
Right.
Advertiser
Maybe I don't know what the doctor.
Customer
Recommended, which then goes down to that. The fact that he's down in there getting those leeches off him a lot. All right, so these are five star reviews. There's not many great ones, but they were kind of picked out here. And I will read you this one from Rick. I forgot how awesome this movie was. It's a new take on Dracula. I only wish it wasn't called Dracula because I enjoyed the humor, action and characters. 5 stars. So your slam is you don't like that. You like the Dracula movie, but don't like that it's called Dracula because. Okay. All right. Mardi Gras party time. I don't know what it should be called. Like, uninvited guest. Like, I don't know.
Advertiser
Ooh, Uninvited guests. I like that. Although they did maintain the idea that he needed to be invited in to Vitamin C's house.
Customer
Oh, right, they did have that. Okay, that's good. I forgot about that. And then this one is from Rachel. She writes, I'm taking a college English class on Dracula and we had to watch this for class. This is my favorite depiction of Dracula that I've seen so far. Really interesting movie to watch, especially if you've read the book. 5 stars. Read Bram Stoker's novel for the first time for a better experience. So this person's saying, this is the most accurate representation.
Advertiser
This is hashtag this person's Dracula.
Customer
And then Susie Herring writes, I like this movie too. A good vampire movie to watch. Because many of us wanted to be a vampire or dress like a vampire on Halloween. But I love vampires a lot. 5 stars. Title, Vampire bite. And then this is my. The one I wanted.
Advertiser
I love that it's. I love that. I love the admission of like many of us wanted to be a vampire. Like the, you know, like people seeking out all the vampire movies just because they so badly want to be a vampire.
Customer
They just need it. And this one right here was one that I thought was really special. It should have been a 5 star review, but something went terribly wrong. From CyberGhost 13. This is a great movie, but I only rate it 1 star because it's not in the original aspect ratio. 1 star.
Advertiser
How fun.
Co-host
How do you know that?
Advertiser
So that whatever transfer or whatever version they watched.
Customer
Yep. And then. And then this is a true one star review, which. No. From Arlene. The title of the review is should never have ordered this. Written on January 2, 2021. I am a born again Christian. Not an appropriate movie, period. One star.
Advertiser
That's it. I. I like what led to this person getting renting and what I also.
Customer
I'm also just like, don't watch it. It's called. Look, the other guy's issue of it being called Dracula 2000 would maybe like as a born again Christian, you might. Oh, I guess because of the Judas. Maybe that's what it is. I don't know. Maybe it's the Judas tie in.
Advertiser
Maybe they didn't. Maybe they didn't. Maybe they were okay watching a Dracula movie, but because it became Judas. Yeah, maybe because of the. That it turned into a blasphemous story.
Customer
Judas is too sexy. I know we've already kind of talked about it, but would we recommend this movie? Would you recommend this movie? Did or. Or did the Discord do a good job at picking us A good movie.
Advertiser
I don't think so. Discord. I think you blew it. Not that I. You know, it was totally fine, you know, but it's. I think if. If it's up to you. If it's up to you, the Discord and you have the kind of power to make us watch literally anything, especially inside of this, the spookiest of seasons. This, like, this is, I would say, pretty benign in terms of a. You know, it's fine. It's got some of our favorites in it, which I love.
Customer
Love that.
Advertiser
But it was. It was. It, like. Was I, like, oh, I can't wait to talk about this? Not exactly. It was just kind of like. It was good, you know, so it was fine. Some. Some stuff, but nothing. I don't know. I think the best. I think that I'm not racing to watch Discord. Raise your game. Discord.
Co-host
Discord, do better. You know, I was fine actually watching this movie, and I thought this was a fine choice for us, but now that I know that this movie was nominated by the Discord community, I'm like, oh, I'm a little disappointed in retrospect.
Advertiser
Yeah.
Co-host
Like, this is the best you got?
Advertiser
Is. Is this the best you got? Wow. That is a direct challenge from June to the Discord.
Customer
I mean, you guys are our. Discord is amazing.
Advertiser
Next. Cut to next October, and we're watching all of the Human Centipede.
Customer
I think that was on the list, as a matter of fact.
Co-host
I'll never do it.
Customer
Look, I think Discord understands that we love Gerard Butler and, you know.
Advertiser
And Jennifer Esposito.
Customer
Yes.
Advertiser
This is.
Customer
You know, they delivered a package to us that in all that makes sense. It checks all the boxes. But again, I feel like the Discord.
Advertiser
Is pandering to us. Us.
Customer
Oh, wow.
Advertiser
By giving us Gerard brothers.
Co-host
Figure out our algorithm. Discord.
Advertiser
Yeah, don't try. And don't try.
Customer
You know what?
Advertiser
Discord have an identity of your own.
Co-host
Yeah. And it's like we're. You can't, like, put an equation together and try to come up with the answer to what we're going to like.
Customer
Wow.
Advertiser
I don't want to log on to YouTube to look @ the Discord and figure out what they're saying.
Customer
I mean, look, is that how Discord works? I mean, you kind of. I mean, you know, and I'll tell you this much. I'll tell you this much that they're the one that came in second place. Place was a movie that Avril had shot down, and I felt, oh, if that movie wins. If the second place movie wins, I'm going to have to do it to respect the discord. But I would have to go against Avril and her. And. And I got to say, she's got good instincts. She's. It never leads us astray. As much as Detroit would like to tell us that she is by. But. But there we go. And by the way, wait, what was.
Advertiser
The second place movie?
Customer
I believe it was called Phantom of. Of the paradise, which I always think is. Which is a mov that we actually have some connection to. It's a 1974 film and it's a rock musical comedy directed by Brian De Palma, which Avril said the problem with it is it's too in on its own joke, you know, but anyway, all that being said, head to our discord. Get in there, you know, mix it up, change the algorithm on up. And if you want, make sure you check us out on tour. We're gonna be all around you. Go to hdtgm.com to find out how to get tickets and what movies we are watching and all that good stuff. All right, so anyone have anything that they want to plug or talk about?
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I mean, I'll shout out. Season six of Big Mouth is about to start in a couple of weeks. And then also Star Trek Prodigy, which is up right now. The new season just came out and it's fantastic.
Customer
I'm very excited to check that out. Lower Decks is on Paramount. So funny because I'm part of Paramount. Plus I also plug that. I was on the Good Fight with Christine Baranski and Andre Brower and it was.
Advertiser
That's like your favorite show.
Customer
It is. So I was very excited to be on there. It was really fun.
Advertiser
That's so cool.
Customer
I play a lawyer who defends a fetus.
Advertiser
Very cool.
Customer
Yeah, very interesting.
Advertiser
Who plays the fetus?
Customer
Well, we never meet.
Advertiser
I only ask because I auditioned for it.
Customer
Well, I don't want to get into it, but yeah, it was. There was a lot of. It was Johnny Lee Miller.
Advertiser
Johnny Lee Miller.
Co-host
A lot of politics that went into that. Jason.
Advertiser
I'm sure.
Customer
June, Anything?
Co-host
Nope.
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Podcast Summary: "Dracula 2000 (Re-Release)" on How Did This Get Made?
Release Date: January 10, 2025
In this re-released episode of How Did This Get Made?, hosts Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, and Jason Mantzoukas dive into the 2000 horror-comedy film Dracula 2000. Selected by the podcast's Discord community, the movie presents a modern twist on the classic Dracula legend, set against the backdrop of New Orleans in the year 2000.
Paul Scheer kicks off the discussion:
"We wanted to see how you would do if you could, best our amazing producer Errol Halley, who picks all of our films. And you know what? You brought some heat." (04:21)
A significant portion of the episode centers around Gerard Butler's portrayal of Dracula. The hosts express mixed feelings about whether the actor in the film is genuinely Butler or a look-alike, sparking debates about facial structure and performance quality.
June Diane Raphael remarks:
"I was like, every time I came close to thinking it was Gerard Butler, I was then confident it wasn't." (63:36)
Jason Mantzoukas adds:
"He really was. It was a crazy experience." (63:53)
The hosts critically analyze the film's plot, highlighting numerous inconsistencies and logical fallacies that undermine the movie's credibility.
Paul Scheer points out:
"They blew it. Not that I... it's just kind of like. It was good, you know, so it was fine. Some stuff, but nothing." (71:12)
Concerns include:
Accent Confusion:
The film's diverse range of accents creates confusion about character backgrounds and settings.
"The accents made sense... everyone is like, here we are in London. Christopher Plummer has a... Is Van Helsing Austrian?" (08:15)
Security and Heist Logic:
The robbery scene is critiqued for its unrealistic execution and the robbers' lack of sophistication.
"They're just trying to come in and rob the place. They have no idea where it's going." (12:09)
Vampire Traits and Mechanics:
The portrayal of vampires, their weaknesses, and abilities deviates from established lore, leading to confusion.
"The teeth were ridiculous because they were practical. They looked out of place." (41:13)
The interplay between characters, especially Mary Van Helsing (played by Jennifer Esposito) and her complex relationship with Dracula, is examined. The hosts discuss Mary's dual heritage as part human and part vampire, as well as her motivations and actions throughout the film.
June Diane Raphael notes:
"I find him to be a bigger presence on screen always." (07:09)
Paul Scheer theorizes:
"Mary is part human, part vampire... she is the only one like him who was not bitten but born vampire." (31:18)
Several key scenes are dissected to highlight the film's strengths and weaknesses:
The Robbery Scene:
The attempt to rob an antiquities firm is marred by illogical planning and execution.
Paul Scheer criticizes:
"They have this fake vampire. Teeth making the lines they do sound weird." (07:01)
Use of Technology and Booby Traps:
The film features elaborate yet impractical security measures that pose significant plot holes.
Jason Mantzoukas comments:
"But they're dumping it? They have no idea what's going to be there." (15:07)
Vampire Abilities:
The vampires' enhanced abilities clash with their portrayed vulnerabilities.
June Diane Raphael observes:
"They toss him around like a rag doll and he is fine." (67:08)
The hosts draw comparisons between Dracula 2000 and other vampire-themed works, noting how the film both aligns with and diverges from traditional vampire narratives.
Paul Scheer reflects:
"Nothing really tops Dracula Dead and Loving It. That is really where I began and end." (39:50)
Jason Mantzoukas mentions:
"Season six of Big Mouth is about to start." (74:32)
(While not directly related to vampires, this reference underscores the hosts' broader engagement with pop culture.)
The episode includes a segment where the hosts read and react to five-star reviews from Amazon, presenting a mix of genuine praise and sarcastic takes on the film's reception.
Positive Review Example:
"I forgot how awesome this movie was. It's a new take on Dracula. I only wish it wasn't called Dracula because I enjoyed the humor, action, and characters." – Rick (60:57)
Negative Review Example:
"I am a born-again Christian. Not an appropriate movie, period." – Arlene (70:33)
A unique aspect of Dracula 2000 discussed by the hosts is the portrayal of Dracula as a modern-day Judas Iscariot. This interpretation adds a layer of theological complexity to the character, though the hosts express skepticism about its execution.
June Diane Raphael questions:
"How does Dracula fit into the narrative of Judas betraying Jesus for silver?" (53:21)
Jason Mantzoukas theorizes:
"Maybe if we made him Judas instead of the traditional Vlad the Impaler, it would have been different." (53:38)
Concluding the episode, the hosts weigh the pros and cons of Dracula 2000, ultimately finding it a watchable but flawed addition to the vampire genre. They express appreciation for Jennifer Esposito's performance while critiquing the film's overall coherence and execution.
Paul Scheer sums up:
"It's slick. And it's not like, you know, they shot clearly during Mardi Gras. There's so much visual stimuli... but it's like, I couldn't make heads or tails of who I'm rooting for." (65:57)
June Diane Raphael adds:
"Do not recommend to anyone outside of our Discord community. It's fine, but it's not something you'd rush to see." (72:17)
Overall, Dracula 2000 serves as an entertaining case study for How Did This Get Made?, providing ample material for the hosts to explore the film's eccentricities and missteps.
Notable Quotes:
Paul Scheer:
"We wanted to see how you would do if you could, best our amazing producer Errol Halley... you brought some heat." (04:21)
"It's slick. And it's... I couldn't make heads or tails of who I'm rooting for." (65:57)
June Diane Raphael:
"Can I just say something? I did not know it was Gerard Butler until about 45 seconds ago." (05:04)
"I find him to be a bigger presence on screen always." (07:09)
Jason Mantzoukas:
"He really was. It was a crazy experience." (63:53)
"They're giving him nothing. Barely any lines." (07:09)
This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and critiques presented by the hosts of How Did This Get Made? in their analysis of Dracula 2000. For those unfamiliar with the episode, it provides a thorough overview of the hosts' perspectives and the film's reception within the podcast community.