Driven LIVE!

Summary

Podcast Summary: How Did This Get Made? – Episode: Driven LIVE!

Release Date: August 8, 2025

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Introduction

In this lively episode of How Did This Get Made?, hosts Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, and Jason Mantzoukas dive deep into the 2001 Sylvester Stallone film "Driven." Recorded live in Vancouver, Canada, the trio dissects every facet of the movie, from its convoluted plot to its questionable character development, all while maintaining their signature comedic flair.

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Movie Overview

"Driven" centers around a young hotshot driver, Kip Purdue (played by Sylvester Stallone), who is struggling during his championship season. As he teeters on the brink of collapse both personally and professionally, a former kart champion, Joe Tonto (played by Burt Reynolds), is called upon to mentor him. The film attempts to blend the high-octane world of auto racing with themes of redemption and father-son relationships.

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Character Analysis

Sylvester Stallone as Kip Purdue

Paul Scheer praises Stallone's physical presence, stating, "I laughed and that he brought it to the gala to give to Jimmy and that then later Jimmy had it... If you do what Paul Scheer does, grab yourself a bag of Twizzlers and stretch out the fun." However, the hosts express confusion over Stallone's character development, questioning his emotional depth and the authenticity of his portrayal.

Burt Reynolds as Joe Tonto

The hosts admire Burt Reynolds' performance despite his character's limited screen time. Paul remarks, "I cried during this movie. Are we okay?" highlighting Reynolds' ability to evoke genuine emotion even in a film that struggles with coherence.

Estella Warren as Sophia Simone

Estella Warren's character is scrutinized for inconsistent characterization. June Diane Raphael notes, "Sophia Simone... she clearly is very talented. I gotta fucking go around here all the time." The hosts debate her role in the narrative, questioning her motivations and relationship dynamics with other characters.

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Plot Critique

The episode's hosts discuss several plot inconsistencies and questionable decisions made in "Driven," such as:

• Go-Kart Racing Depiction: Jason Mantzoukas expresses skepticism about the portrayal of kart racing, stating, "These are go karts... At least three dozen pedestrians perished in that chase." The group debates the realism and execution of the racing scenes.

• Emotional Arcs: The hosts critique the shallow emotional development, with Paul questioning, "What does Sophia want?" and Jason pointing out the lack of significant character growth.

• Deleted Scenes and Script Changes: June Diane Raphael reveals that Sylvester Stallone wrote 25 drafts of the script, with significant portions, including a five-hour original cut, being cut or altered. This led to tensions with director Renny Harlan, who was subsequently erased from the final version.

• Symbolism and Themes: The hosts analyze the film's attempt to portray masculinity and emotional repression, with Jason noting, "These men are emotionally at zero. Their emotional intelligence is at a zero."

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Notable Quotes

• Paul Scheer [07:28]: "Buy one, add one for a dollar on sausage McMuffin with egg, hash browns and more with McValue."

• Jason Mantzoukas [09:02]: "There is a code amongst the drivers. The brotherhood of speed says, you can, my wife, but you can't..."

• June Diane Raphael [29:54]: "Original script, 220 pages long. Original cut of this movie, five hours."

• Paul Scheer [44:16]: "It's all the same kind of situation. And you realize it can't be number one. You can't be the guy in front all the time."

• Jason Mantzoukas [67:51]: "These men are emotionally at zero. Their emotional intelligence is at a zero."

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Conclusion

The hosts collectively find "Driven" to be a misguided effort that falls short of its ambitious goals. While acknowledging Sylvester Stallone and Burt Reynolds' performances, they lament the film's incoherent plot, underdeveloped characters, and missed emotional depth. The episode serves as both a comedic critique and an exploration of how "Driven" attempted to merge action with genuine storytelling but ultimately failed to resonate.

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Final Thoughts

Paul Scheer succinctly encapsulates their stance: "But by the way, the Rosetta Stallone absolutely is a T-shirt that I'm making." The episode wraps up with a humorous and affectionate nod to the film's flaws, reinforcing the podcast's mission to celebrate the best of the worst in cinema.

For those intrigued by the hosts' take on "Driven," tuning into this episode offers both insightful commentary and entertaining banter that only How Did This Get Made? can deliver.

Transcript

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[June Diane Raphael]

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[June Diane Raphael]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Wait. Let's negotiate. How's about you throw in hash browns for a dollar?

[Paul Scheer]

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[June Diane Raphael]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Where the most important thing isn't winning, it's winning. We saw Driven so you know what that means. Burlesque show with Nick Crow and take a bubble speed to hitting cruise control.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Jewel gonna take you from move all the way to the room ran against the street fighter help to blow off steam Just a sucker punch the eye lights of tipping the green shot how.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We staying alive they calling in the.

[June Diane Raphael]

Badass and he's on the line cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice cause the bad gym funny looking kind of nice Paul and June getting literal Jason is getting laid June is making sure all the monkey shots in the game they just a bunch of movies while they making the grade. Here's a real question for you. How did this get made?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hello people of Earth and hello, hello people of Vancouver.

[June Diane Raphael]

We are back in Canada for a very hot, a very sweaty Stallone summer. That's right, Sylvester Stallone summer. Is heating up. And tonight we are talking about Driven, a movie that came out in 2001. The tagline was welcome to the human race. Oh, damn.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Damn.

[June Diane Raphael]

This movie is deep. Now, you don't know about Dribbon. I'll tell you this much. IMDb, they gave us a little logline for it. And the logline on the IMDb website is this. A young hotshot driver is in the middle of a championship season and is coming apart at the seams. And a former kart champion is called in to give him guidance. That's a movie. Ooh. Now, if you're keeping track of our Stallone stats, I will tell you this. Driven is the 11th Stallone movie that we have covered on the podcast. He has the third most appearances of any actor, only behind Jason Statham and Frank Welker, but that doesn't really count. In addition to Driven, we have covered Judge Dredd, Cobra Stopper, My mom will shoot Demolition man, over the Top, Rhinestone Tango and Cash the Specialist, Oscar and Expendables 4.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Great.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, well, well. We are here. This movie. I remember being so excited to go to the theater and see a Chip Pardue film. Oh, boy, oh, boy. A part that, according to an IMDb trivia fact, was offered to Leonardo DiCaprio. There's no proof that that is true, but I like the idea that it could have been. Tonight, we're gonna break down this movie. We're gonna talk about everything. And we have a bunch of kart racing experts here tonight. That's right. Please welcome my co host, Mr. Jason Man Z.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's up, jerks? Let's go. Let's go. Vancouver. Yeah, that's right. Give me the balcony. Fuck yes. Fuck yes. Trapped in a country I hate. Eat shit, guy. Until you're the 51st state. Black it out. Black it out. Curtains.

[June Diane Raphael]

They asked me before the show, what should we do? They said, what should we do if someone starts heckling you from the. From the audience? I said, don't worry, we will heckle them.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're trapped in here with us.

[June Diane Raphael]

We brought this movie here to Vancouver for one important reason.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This movie, yes, because one of the races happens in Toronto and it stars.

[June Diane Raphael]

And it stars your very own Estella Warren.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Canadian synchronized swimming champion.

[June Diane Raphael]

If you didn't know it, the movie has a very. Well, you'll get to find out in the movie, but so are you happy?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We have one of your heroes in the movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Everywhere you go in Canada, it's Shea posters and Estella Warren posters back and forth. We have an expert here tonight. Someone who knows a lot about synchronized swimming. Someone who has found a home here in Vancouver for the last few months.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Please welcome June Diane Ravio.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

Hello, June. How are you?

[Paul Scheer]

Hi, Paul. I'm okay. How are you?

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm very good. Thank you so much for asking.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

June, I heard you enjoying this film in the other room today as I was preparing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That sounds dirty. I'm gonna say. That sounds dirty.

[Paul Scheer]

I had a great time, by the way. I thought Sly looked good. I'm not afraid to say it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, 100% agree. Everyone in this movie's a stone cold.

[Paul Scheer]

Hunk, so I just wish it was longer.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

More montages.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

And then it's a perfect movie. No notes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I agree 100%. I mean, for a lot of the movie, I was like, you know what? This movie's not going to deliver because nobody's going to race. Are these Formula one cars? What are these?

[June Diane Raphael]

They're not Formula One. These are kart races. Carts.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are we calling them karts?

[June Diane Raphael]

Karts. C A R, T. They're not Formula one. They're not nascar.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are these go karts? Well, I changed my opinion of the movie immediately. At what? Misunderstood. And these are go karts.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait a second, Paul. These are go karts.

[June Diane Raphael]

Here's what I will say, because you.

[Paul Scheer]

Said in your introduction that Psy was a go kart champion. And Jason, I turned to each other backstage and said, what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I was like. I thought these were, like, Formula one cars and these are go karts.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, they are called kart, not go kart. But I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But at one point, when the lawnmower engine apparently.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. That's why they could race through Chicago like that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I was like, you know what? This movie's not going to get me unless they race dangerously through a big time city. And guess what they did. They took their go karts, they raced them right through Chicago. I'm going to be clear. At least three dozen pedestrians perished in that. In that chase. But you know what? Those deaths are worth it so that they can have that father son moment after the race is done.

[Paul Scheer]

And I was like, okay, so he was fine. Kipper was fine. Find $25,000 for that, like, street race. And I was like, but what about the criminal charges?

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

That people were harmed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What about the. Yes. What about the vehicular homicide that we clearly watched? In the movie, There is moments where.

[June Diane Raphael]

Manhole covers are flying back. Stone's like, duck. Well, it had to hit somebody.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. You know how heavy that Is. I mean, that we. You have sent airborne. And a murder disc.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, murder disc, by the way, is a. A horror movie I'm doing about.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love.

[Paul Scheer]

Is that right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

About competitive Frisbee guys. So don't steal it. Canada.

[June Diane Raphael]

I. I was so blown away in that sequence because they're going so fast that they drive by a bus station and the glass breaks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm like, whoa. Then the cop takes out his gun. It's like 195. I'm like, oh. It didn't seem that.

[Paul Scheer]

I agree.

[June Diane Raphael]

That.

[Paul Scheer]

Faster. But also. So I didn't know what that event was that they were at. I don't know.

[June Diane Raphael]

Dinner party.

[Paul Scheer]

No, that was like a gala, babe. That was.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was like a. It was like a showcase for the new cars.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. But I am. I have to imagine that the new cars that are the model cars on the floor are not. Or carts, whatever they be, weren't, like, ready to drive.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, you see. You see in the movie so many times how hard it is for them to get in the car and get it into driving, like, capabilities. It takes four or five other people to get that to be even possible. And they're jumping in like it's a fucking Volkswagen Passat, and they're just like. Like, they're driving a Scirocco home.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now, I will say this. A lot of. A lot of online discussion. You can't even start that car from, like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like we said, like, a cold start.

[June Diane Raphael]

You'd have to get somebody behind it to, like, start the engine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Flintstones.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. Okay. Yes. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Paul. I just want to. I actually do want to drill down on. On what the type of racing was, because after watching F1, which I enjoyed, and after watching this, I was like, oh, I don't like racing. I don't like. That's not for me. And that's okay. But I'll. I never. I think I've seen it at its most engaging and most thrilling, and I say no.

[June Diane Raphael]

So.

[Paul Scheer]

But was that. That's not F1. So did they race in, like, Daytona or the Indy 500? Those are only two. I know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So this is obviously a world tour they're on. They're going to all these countries, all these cities.

[June Diane Raphael]

I will say this. It. It dissolved in 2003. CART Racing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What we're looking at doesn't even exist.

[June Diane Raphael]

Exist. No.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

So this is what it is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's gone on. You're saying this is an extinct sport. We've gotta bring it back. Will Sly bring it back.

[June Diane Raphael]

It is a championship Auto racing teams. Kart, okay. Is a sanctioned body for the American.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Stop saying cart. Okay, so wait a minute. So CART doesn't even. That's an acronym.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. Get movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cart was founded in 1979, dissolved in 2003.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait a minute. This is a like. Oh, whoa. I thought I was gaining access to a real thing.

[Paul Scheer]

Same. I'm mad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here I am backstage looking up like, can a 52 year old still become champion at cart?

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, this is it. Well, here's the thing. Cart owners broke off to form their own series. And the sport's biggest race and centerpiece is the Indianapolis 500. Okay. So throughout the 80s and 90s, the CART Indy Car World Series became the preeminent open wheel auto racing series in North America.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So everything else is closed wheel. What does that mean?

[June Diane Raphael]

It features a diverse schedule of super speedways, short ovals, road courses and street circuit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't know. Can Mario get on this cart? What's the deal?

[Paul Scheer]

Here's the thing too, that I struggle with with F1. In this movie, all of the scenes where we're watching our drivers work out why.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. And honestly, some of them seem too.

[June Diane Raphael]

Big to get in the car.

[Paul Scheer]

If you have to get in and out in five seconds. And that's a part of like the regulation that Jack. Don't, don't get muscle. Don't stop running. Stop doing whatever you're doing and sit down.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here's my question. Why aren't these guys jockeys? Why aren't they? Why aren't they little jockeys?

[Paul Scheer]

Put them in there. Yeah, we need less weight.

[June Diane Raphael]

Their legs have to reach the pedals, Move them.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Move the pedals. It's carved. It's not real.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, it seems like the original plan for this movie didn't work out. And this is a press conference that we found from 1997. Here we go. So this is Stallone.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's Robert Rodriguez behind him. And intelligence and creativity and uniqueness that it does possess. And that's why we're here now. And if I can, I'd love to get Bernie Ecclestone get up here and sign the contract. So I know that everything is going to happen.

[June Diane Raphael]

So Stallone was gonna make Formula One. It says he was gonna make his own F1 movie. They read the script and said we're out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And the script to this movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

And it became a CART movie. So he was going to make F1. They had done press about it. He had gone there, he was scouting it. It was all gonna be F1. And they said no. What I understand from seeing F1, they're all about branding. And they're like, nope on this one.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I have to say one thing I was, I was proud of. I, I knew that the fact that Target was a brand on the cartoon of our villain, I was like, he's going to have a turn. There's no way Target has co signed on sponsoring.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And what I loved about this movie, this movie that is a referendum on masculinity, I believe. Finally, finally, finally, finally, men and their emotions. Can't we just be possibly depicted on screen? I felt like I loved him as a villain because he was giving me real Iceman from Top Gun vibes. Okay, yes, he's the villain, but he's still inescapably part of the team.

[June Diane Raphael]

They look too similar.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

You cannot have a hero and villain that look this similar.

[Paul Scheer]

And by the way, having two blonde men on screen together in the beginning of the movie was absolutely confounding to me. And I know I've said before that blonde men are silly billies. And I know that a lot of people had a reaction to that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We got to get there.

[Paul Scheer]

But I, to have two silly billies together like that, did not like it. I couldn't remember who was who.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I was confused at which team he was on because I was like, wait, I thought he's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But you know what it does, it helps remind you which one is Stallone.

[Paul Scheer]

Whoa, you're right, Jason, because cutting a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Swath through this, you're through all these blondes, all these tall blondes is this little pocket sized wolverine. Sorry, I know he's one of yours, bub.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, he really pops.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, of course he does. Because he's at least 40 years older than everybody in the movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

I want to just drill down on that for a second. How old do you think Jimmy is?

[Paul Scheer]

Jimmy Sloan or Jimmy Tonto?

[June Diane Raphael]

Jimmy Tonto.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jimmy Tonto. Tonto. Which is a name of a blade shape, a knife.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sorry, sorry. Joe Tonto. How old is Joe Tonto, character?

[Paul Scheer]

Joe Tonto.

[June Diane Raphael]

How old is the character of the character? The character of Joe Tonto? I'll ask it again. How old do you think the character of Joe Tonto is?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jimmy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Nope. Joe. Joe Tonto. Joe Tonto.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now this is Stallone's character.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes, Stallone's character.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In the movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

In the movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How old is the character? Or how old is Stallone?

[June Diane Raphael]

Right. So how old is Jimmy? Jimmy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, Jimmy Joe.

[June Diane Raphael]

Let me ask it again. How old is Joe Tonto? Joe, the hummer Tonto.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, yes. Joe the Hummer Tonto. And it never occurs to Stallone the other meaning of hummer.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, and it should. He wrote the script and I believe there was a leaked audio clip of him getting a blowjob. So he should be aware of it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's exactly right.

[Paul Scheer]

But by the way, those hums. I want to talk about the hums for roughly the next hour, but I'm giving you some time.

[June Diane Raphael]

By the way, just so you know, in the crowd, there was a sign.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Keep humming Joe Bly is top man. Just to get ESPN as the last letters. Do better. Art department. Also keep humming Joe. It's like there's so much space after Joe. Oh, I loved it.

[June Diane Raphael]

We can play the humming scene if.

[Paul Scheer]

You want my answer to you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Paul, though, is 39.

[Paul Scheer]

June, the character.

[June Diane Raphael]

The character of Joe the Hummer Tonto.

[Paul Scheer]

I'd say the character because he's washed up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

And again, I'm just going to go back to like, what I know about having to be in that tiny space and do what they do. It doesn't seem you need to be in fit or any certain age. Like you don't need to be in your prime at all. So I. But I know he's washed up in.

[June Diane Raphael]

The world of the movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Seems like it's a young man's sport.

[Paul Scheer]

I know, but again, I ask why. But put that over there for a second. I'm gonna put him at like the character at like 47.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, 37.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

37.

[June Diane Raphael]

Stallone himself was 55 when he made it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, exactly.

[June Diane Raphael]

But he was a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Which is too old. 52. He could have gotten away with it. 55, though. Too old. We all agree.

[Paul Scheer]

But see, 37.

[June Diane Raphael]

Stallone is 37.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's impossible to imagine.

[June Diane Raphael]

It makes a lot more sense that his contemporary is that young man.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, no, what makes more. Which makes all the sense in the world is what we know to be true, which is his contemporary is Burt Reynolds. Stallone and Burt Reynolds are peers and they have a father son relationship. I don't think so.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. They're brothers. Like Robert Shawn Leonard and Kip.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, the other guy.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Robert Sean Leonard miscast as the smarmy brother.

[Paul Scheer]

Because I gotta tell you, though, he's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just a sweetheart all the time.

[Paul Scheer]

He's a sweetheart all the time. And I. But I. Ah, God. The end scene where he's looking at his brother after that big win. When, by the way, the big emotional narrative of the movie is that they start one place and I guess really end this very same place and not. I didn't think that a lot happened on the journey there.

[June Diane Raphael]

But it's like a circular track. We started where we began.

[Paul Scheer]

We just completed a lot.

[June Diane Raphael]

We ended where we began.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You got to just until you pick up a lap.

[Paul Scheer]

But once we got there in that big moment at the end and they cut to Robert Sheldon and he's looking at him and he smiled. I cried.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I did. I want to be very clear.

[Paul Scheer]

I cried.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I cried a number of times. When else I cried a number of times. And in fact I wrote a note in my notes that was here's what I would like. Here's what I want for the next Fast and Furious.

[June Diane Raphael]

Uh oh, what do we got?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Put Memo in the crew.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is for Memo. Memo is my guy is out here. I want him to win.

[June Diane Raphael]

I believe that Stallone wrote Memo for Jean Claude Van Damme. Yes. Because he had a very Jean Claude energy.

[Paul Scheer]

That's interesting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I loved how just good vibes Memo was.

[June Diane Raphael]

Memo was like, you want to fuck my wife?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, fuck my wife. It's cool with me. I'm not jealous.

[June Diane Raphael]

Memo was fine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is the best dude in the world. I fucking loved him.

[Paul Scheer]

Honestly. After he's paralyzed, I think from the waist down he seems to be taking it in strong like he yes, he.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

With a smile on his face. He is screaming, I cannot move my legs.

[June Diane Raphael]

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[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, well, I was so happy she was there.

[June Diane Raphael]

I loved her.

[Paul Scheer]

When Gina Gershon showed up in a boot camp. Cut, low rise, Forget about it. Like, wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And let's go back. Can we go back to boot cut, low rise.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I know, Jason, you've said it a number of times on this podcast. You don't like a high rise Jean.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't like.

[June Diane Raphael]

It makes no sense.

[Paul Scheer]

And I don't know a lot of women to have different feelings about it, but I know you love. I know you love the low rise Jean era, but she was giving. I'm sorry. That's a wonderful performance. She was. When she said in the mirror after Luke. We haven't talked about Luke yet. That woman whose job I'm not clear.

[June Diane Raphael]

On, the reporter who just started flying with them and is hanging out in like, it seems like every crew.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You gotta remember this is when newspapers had all the money in the world and they could send a reporter on a year long tour of kart racing.

[June Diane Raphael]

She's America's biggest racing.

[Paul Scheer]

But also, I feel like this is one of those movies where when a woman has a man's name, you're like, oh, she's gonna be interesting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

When Gina Gershon, though, said after Luke came in and they had that moment in the bathroom together, great scene. And when. When Luke was leaving and she goes, your mascara is running. And Gina Gershon said something back to her and then she looked in the mirror and said, stupid bitch. I was like, I love this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I loved it. And I loved the all that. It's just a series of romantic triangles that just keep moving like magnets, closer together and farther apart.

[June Diane Raphael]

But we're not getting enough information to feel totally invested because it seems like.

[Paul Scheer]

Estella Warren is Sophia or Sophie. I'm not sure.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, Sophia Simone.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sophia Simone. Oh, wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

Is Bo's girlfriend. He breaks up with her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're engaged.

[June Diane Raphael]

They're engaged, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, that's the thing. She gives back.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then the next night, or maybe let's say two nights later, she's at a bar and she's like, look, I don't want to get in another relationship. And then the next day they're in.

[Paul Scheer]

A relationship down to clown.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let me ask you a question.

[June Diane Raphael]

But there is serious. She's not trying to.

[Paul Scheer]

No, no, no, no. I want to ask you a serious question, Jason. And it might be the same question.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Great.

[Paul Scheer]

What? What? What does Sophia want?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, what does she want? Oh, that's a great question.

[June Diane Raphael]

What? Drive. Wait, wait. What drives?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

I couldn't tell.

[Paul Scheer]

I could never tell. I'm like. I don't know what. I mean. I get that she's swimming well. She.

[June Diane Raphael]

She's like, why won't they ever let me compete? I'm clearly very talented. I gotta fucking go around here all the time. I don't even work in the pit crew. I can do this. And he's not even that impressed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That leads me to what part of my question was. Which is. Is she employed in any way in any of the teams she seems, right, Joe.

[June Diane Raphael]

Hanging around.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so for quite a while, I thought she was employed because she. They are very loose about who gets headphones. They're very cool about who gets to have headphones so that they could be like, hey, shut up. Hey, don't you stop talking? Yeah, I thought she was. So I believe. My question, though, was, do you think she and Jimmy.

[Paul Scheer]

No, Jimmy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jim the kid. Jimmy Bly. Are they involved romantically or are they in a.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you really think that, or are they just hanging out?

[June Diane Raphael]

No.

[Paul Scheer]

What do you. How do you define hanging out?

[June Diane Raphael]

Hmm.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, here's why I'm asking.

[June Diane Raphael]

They've had sex.

[Paul Scheer]

Here's why I am asking thousand percent.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How in the world does Sylvester Stallone make a movie in which there is a romantic couple and there is not a sex scene?

[Paul Scheer]

I don't know. I was upset about it because I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Will tell you, because that is shocking to me. So much so that I was like, they make such a point in the movie of telling him over and over again, she's not over Beau. She's not ready for you. That I was like, oh, maybe they are just hanging out and he wants more. And she is, as she does, goes back to Beau.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'll just give you a couple. Just little things deep in your head. Stallone wrote 25 drafts of this script. The original 24.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Too many.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yep. Original script, 220 pages long.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Shoot it, baby. Shoot it.

[June Diane Raphael]

The original cut of this movie, five hours.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[June Diane Raphael]

Stallone used to be best friends with Renny Harlan, the director, but when the movie shifted focus to Kip Purdue, they never spoke again.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Whoa. Oh. Was that not the intention, Please?

[June Diane Raphael]

No. Okay, so basically, the studio wanted more Chip. Kip.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Kip.

[June Diane Raphael]

Chip. Kip.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that he's the heir to the Purdue fortune. The Purdue chicken.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. And it was odd that he would not let that Purdue chicken on the car. I do want to read this quote because this is pretty much a. This is Stallone talking about it. Racing's very much like the world of acting. You got your front runners and you have your guys that are there for the long race, and you have your other guys that block for people. They're called supporting actors.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, God. I disagree. Very respectfully, I disagree.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's all the same kind of situation. And you realize it can't be number one. You can't be the guy in front all the time. So you can lend support and you can help nourish and encourage someone else. It's like your experiences live on in someone else. If you can find some young actor and you can say, listen, don't do this, don't do that, and avoid this and avoid that, and you share your experiences and then he succeeds, you can say, you know what? I kind of contributed to that. As an actor, you gotta learn you can't be number one the hard way. Unfortunately, I did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's incredible. That's incredible because at the end of the movie, Burt Reynolds says to him, you could have won, couldn't you? And he says, I did. And that's the sentiment that he's trying to get across. And there is such a push pull in the movie that he clearly needs. In the same way as he became into the Rocky movies and the Creed movies, he still wants to have the win.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, he's not good. He's not gonna give it up. And as a matter of fact, I don't mean to do this, but June heard me editing this and was very confused.

[Paul Scheer]

And I heard you editing in the other room and I was like, like you're editing a scene that I didn't see in this movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

So enjoy this little mashup. I think it's self explanatory, obviously. Two films written by Sylvester Stallone.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Everybody trips. That's okay. That's life. It's how fast you get up the counts. So get up, Jimmy, but get up fast.

[June Diane Raphael]

But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hit and keep moving forward. How much you could take and keep moving forward.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's how winning is done. Now, if you know what you're worth now, go out and get what you're worth. But you got to be willing to take the hits and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you want to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Be because of him or her or anybody.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cowards do that. And that ain't you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You pick up a paycheck to help me out because you didn't help Yourself.

[June Diane Raphael]

When you had the chance.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why does that make you so much.

[June Diane Raphael]

Better than me, Joe?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now I start to get a little ahead, I start to get a little something for myself, and this happens. Now, I'm asking you as a favor not to go through with this, okay? This is only gonna end up bad for you and it's gonna end up bad for me.

[June Diane Raphael]

And you don't even know what the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hell you're talking about. You don't know who you are anymore. Somebody put it in your mind.

[June Diane Raphael]

You gotta be perfect every time out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Or you're a failure.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, forget that. Just forget it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Did the time come for you to.

[June Diane Raphael]

Be your own man and take on the world? And you did. But somewhere along the line, you changed. You stopped being you. You let people stick a finger in your face and tell you you're no good. And when things got hard, you started looking for something to blame, like a big shadow. And winning. It's an attitude. So if you trust me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, if you trust yourself, by the.

[June Diane Raphael]

End of the season, you'll either be on top or you won't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I believe, guarantee you, you're going to know what Jimmy Fly is really made of. But until you start believing in yourself, you're going to have a life. Incredible.

[Paul Scheer]

You know what? I got to tell you, though, I. You know, I love a slime monologue I like. I. I'm sorry. That works.

[June Diane Raphael]

But does it work? Very similar.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It works every time.

[Paul Scheer]

Works every time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I mean, like. And by the way, I'm like, yes, Jess from Gilmore Girls. Get it. Let's go.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And in that movie. In that movie, Stallone, I believe, is playing 39.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. He's younger. And Balboa.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, man. I would love to talk about the denim hat that Gina Gershon wore. Because here's the thing about that hat. I paused when he came on screen. I spent a lot of time with it because it was half bucket hat and half, like, witch's hat. It was something I had never seen before in all my days.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The movie appears to be written by and for rap rock, including all of the fashions.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, when I saw this movie music by bt, I was like, wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is before they got any. This is before they got s. I.

[June Diane Raphael]

Was like, this is not ringing any bells for me, guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's the best joke of the night. It's not gonna get better than that.

[June Diane Raphael]

I wrote that joke down. I didn't say it. Cause I was ready for it.

[Paul Scheer]

There's also so much music in this movie that like, it's so fascinating that there's no dialogue in the trailer because, like, there's barely any dialogue in the movie. There's so much music that at a point I was like, oh, my Spotify must be on. On my computer. Like, this can't be the movie. There's. There's never. Oh, moment of silence.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it is very disruptive and intrusive music throughout. And that was bizarre. Did you notice, though, once Memo gets paralyzed and is in the hospital, all of Gina Gershon's outfits go to, like, school marm. She goes from dressing Jason, so insanely great in the races, cowboy hats, all sorts of craziness to like, like, I believe, a. An Amish woman. Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

She's living a different life. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Because I was really tracking that journey through her clothing and I was like, she seems so happy and content in that hospital room. I mean, does his dick still work? I'm gonna ask that question. I think the answer is yes. Based on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Did you watch the. Did you watch the post credit scene?

[Paul Scheer]

No, I didn't know there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. The post credit scene is all about his dick working.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, it's a post credit. Pretty exciting scene.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So she picks 3/4 up off the floor.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, this all makes sense because based on what we had seen before and.

[June Diane Raphael]

How she checks his balls, quarter, quarter, quarter.

[Paul Scheer]

Based on what we had seen before about her character, I was like, what's she so happy about now? I know.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, she doesn't. She doesn't have to travel anymore.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So here's my other question for both of you. Who was the girl backstage who said that she needed to kiss all the podcasters before she had a bet with someone that she could kiss all the podcasters before the show? And you guys both kissed her?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I mean, she asked nicely.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I said, you lost.

[Paul Scheer]

Who was that woman? What were we to learn from that scene? I was astounding.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What was the purpose of having that woman be a. Able to get in the pit right as the race is about to start?

[Paul Scheer]

The only thing I can think is that they're in the five hour cut that wasn't released. And by the way, release the Stallone footage. Release it. Release it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Release the smooch cut.

[Paul Scheer]

But in that cut, I imagine she must be established. It must be established. He is a bit of a womanizer and has many women.

[June Diane Raphael]

I have a feeling Stallone's kind of like in baseball, you know, there's a girl who runs out on field and she kisses the guys. Wouldn't it be funny if you in the race car, there's a girl runs out, kisses the guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think that's 100% right. I also think it's there to make us feel like Bo still cares for Sopia. Sophia. Simone.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sophia.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This one, I feel like, yes. It's meant to be. Like, he's not gonna do that. He really is still carrying that torch for her. Because I think the movie wants us to believe they're supposed to be together.

[June Diane Raphael]

They were engaged. They were engaged.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm aware.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, he broke up with her on a whim. He's like. She's like, am I in your way? He's like, yeah, you actually are. Get the fuck out of here. It's like, wow. And then she, like, leaves. And he's like, all right, I'm done. And then Stallone crosses battle lines to go over and give girl advice. Okay, let me tell you. Go talk to her. He's like, all right, I will. Like, Stallone's working both sides.

[Paul Scheer]

You guys are forgetting. It's about the brotherhood of speed. Yes, it's about the brotherhood of speed. And that's what they're all a part of. And you guys don't understand.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, now, let me ask you this question.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Women understand it more than they do.

[June Diane Raphael]

I agree. And they're okay with it all because they need to pour that champagne in each other's mouths. They need to take that bottle, jerk it so hard.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Give it to me, Jimmy.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then Stallone's like, I gotta get in there too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ah. It does feel like the movie does feel like it's building to some sort of itumama tambien situation.

[Paul Scheer]

Truly here.

[June Diane Raphael]

But I guess the question that I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Where you just see Gina Gershon and Sophie Simone coming out of the room while the rest of the guys are, like, partying in there to rap rock.

[June Diane Raphael]

Let them. Let them have their weekend.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let the bodies hit the floor.

[June Diane Raphael]

So I guess my question is this. And not to be insensitive in any way. I was shocked when it was revealed that Burt Reynolds was in a wheelchair. And then when Burt Reynolds and Stallone have their moment, was he alluding that Stallone paralyzed Burt Reynolds?

[Paul Scheer]

I think so.

[June Diane Raphael]

So is that, like, the trajectory is.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, there's so many. But there's so many moments in this movie. Like that scene where you're like, huh? Like, the moment in the. Again where Gina Gershon in that big gala scene is talking to Stallone and she's like. And if you're not gonna make it by midnight, you're never gonna make it. Make it. If you don't do it by midnight tonight, it's never going to happen. And I'm like, what? What is it?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, like it.

[June Diane Raphael]

She's like. And it seems like. And at least. And I don't want to make any aspersions on anyone's whatever, but it seems like that reporter's a little bit more chaste. Like, she's not going to.

[Paul Scheer]

Careful, Paul.

[June Diane Raphael]

I just felt that she was a little buttoned up for Stallone, especially next to Girl.

[Paul Scheer]

She had a red bodysuit on that was a little off the shoulder in that pool scene. What are you about?

[June Diane Raphael]

Talking.

[Paul Scheer]

Talking about.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait. Oh, yeah, the pool scene. Well, she was asking some pretty hard editing questions.

[Paul Scheer]

I just felt like, okay, yes, she was a little compared to Gina Gershon.

[June Diane Raphael]

So, like, Gina Gershon's like, you better this reporter by midnight or it's never going to happen.

[Paul Scheer]

Is that what she thought?

[June Diane Raphael]

No, that's what I. That's how I took it. Oh, that's what I thought.

[Paul Scheer]

No, now I don't know what she was talking about. I just know she wasn't talking about that.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, no, she. She was. Because Stallone's like, talking to her, and then she comes over and that's why they get upset with each other in the bathroom.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That. Thank you, Vancouver.

[June Diane Raphael]

Thank you. But I don't think I get symbolism.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I definitely don't think that's symbolism. First of all, the symbol of a.

[June Diane Raphael]

Woman being someone he wants.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait. Oh, I don't think.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, wait, you think that Gina Gershon is saying, if you don't fuck this reporter by midnight, you'll never fuck. Yeah, that's what you all think, too.

[Paul Scheer]

Why did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who fucks before midnight?

[June Diane Raphael]

She knows she has a deadline in the morning. She's got to get up and put her story.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, she doesn't. She has so many more cities to go to. She's. She's on an endless journey with the. With the CART team.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Serious? CART is an acronym.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm really. I haven't recovered from that either, but I'm sorry, so what. Why is Gina Gershon, like, why is she tracking that? Whatever.

[June Diane Raphael]

She's taunting him. Thank you. She's taunting him because she's like, you are a Met. Like, she's like, I got the better version of you. He's younger, he's better. And she's like, you know what? You left. She's still angry you left me. The minute I get something going, you come back here. And you're messing up with my guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's hard.

[Paul Scheer]

You're really channeling that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You are. Paul. Hey, hey, Paul. Did. Did Jimmy Tonto hurt you?

[June Diane Raphael]

The minute I'm gonna fuck your brains out just out of anger. Fucked your brains out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here's what's interesting about the movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm gonna fuck the reporter for you. And then that's why she's upset. Dumb bitch. She's like. Yeah. She's like, ah. She would have gotten in there by midnight.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow. I've never seen Paul this fired up in my life. Wow. Here's the thing. Only a movie written by Stallone. What's so hard in this for both Burt Reynolds character and Gina Gershon's character is both of them appear to have legitimate grievances with Stallone. But Stallone won't let the facts of those grievances become part of the movie's narrative.

[June Diane Raphael]

I agree.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So they aren't allowed to say, here's how you hurt me. Here's how I'm still hurting because of you. They instead have to be, you're secretly the hero we need.

[June Diane Raphael]

And it just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In fact, what's so shocking to me in the movie is that when Jimmy. Not Jimmy, when the kid. Is the kid's name Jimmy the American.

[June Diane Raphael]

Guy and the guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When the kid and Beau go to save Memo. Right in my mind, and I wrote in my notes, I'm shocked that Stallone allowed an act of heroism to happen that he wasn't a part of. But when the newscaster at the end of the movie is reporting on the event that happened, he includes Stallone's character as one of the three heroes who saved Memo's life. Come on. That is Stallone all the way. And if you want to understand America, this is the Rosetta Stone. The Rosetta Stallone. Put that in. Put that in. Black it out. The show's over. Go home, idiots.

[June Diane Raphael]

So.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But by the way, the Rosetta Stallone absolutely is a T shirt that I'm making.

[Paul Scheer]

I thousand percent.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love that. I meant if we got the shirt. And in the original script, Bo did not try to rescue Memo.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Got it.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then Rennie was like, it made him look heartless. And then Stallone rewrote the scene with just Jimmy saving Memo. And then the scene was reshot again and then Tonto was in it, but Renny Harlan digitally erased him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, there's so much good drama.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's why they don't talk now when we talk about.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way. By the way, I mean, congrats, to Renny Harlan because that must have been very hard to do to go up against alone like that. And it's better for the movie to.

[June Diane Raphael]

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[Paul Scheer]

You know, one thing I noticed is that Jimmy. What's his name again?

[June Diane Raphael]

Jimmy Bly.

[Paul Scheer]

Bly. Jimmy Bly. Jimmy Bly. He wears glasses all the time, except when driving.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, he needs glasses because he's playing his racing game. This, to me, was the worst part of the entire movie that Jimmy's practicing on this using an up down key on his computer. There's no way that this is helping him on the cart.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is like. I feel like not even a mouse. Somehow Lawnmower man's gonna come out of this situation and come get him.

[June Diane Raphael]

Fuel, boost, oil, battery.

[Paul Scheer]

I have to say, I do think we saw a number of very serious car crashes where Very believable, Very believable, very serious car crashes. And I question the announcers and how they're reporting on these crashes because they seem excited.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not only that, but when the most brutal crashes happen, they put in the sound effect of the crowd roaring. Does that happen?

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, you know what? I know one thing that I thought was pretty great, which is this. I guess Renny Harland forgot to tell all the extras which way to look. Because there was one scene in the biggest crash scene, this woman just kind of checking it out over here. Maybe she's turning away. She doesn't want to look.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, I found it really irresponsible that given how many crashes we've seen and how many carts we've seen flying over, over other carts, out of the raceway, into ponds, into.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why was that pond there?

[Paul Scheer]

Don't know. But all sorts of marshland. I was like, how dare you set up a children's playground not 10ft from the racetrack?

[June Diane Raphael]

Those cars are flipped, tires are flying out. But here's the thing. When Kip Purdue crashes, that's a pretty gnarly crash. He's like, I'm okay. Got it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

See you later.

[June Diane Raphael]

Gonna go Just, like, walks out of that.

[Paul Scheer]

The best part of this movie for me was the emotional climax of, like, seeing our hero. Sorry, Sly. Kip Purdue. Seeing him get prepared to get in that car for that last race and seeing our hero jump on his foot 10 times.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

10 times. Like, the riveting. Each jump, riveting.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now, in the original script, it was 15 times.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's a cut too far, Paul.

[June Diane Raphael]

I am gonna go out into the audience. I'm gonna talk to people. If you are a kart racer, you have to let me know. You have to let me know. All right. I'm gonna go over to Jafar, our friend from Boise. Oh, yeah, I think this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jafar, great costume. Great work.

[June Diane Raphael]

All right. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. It's the real Burt Reynolds. I have to put on my headset. I love it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Great. So what do you got, Jafar?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I have props, so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I can also speak to a couple issues.

[Paul Scheer]

So, one, the simulator scene is literally.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just him playing the PS2 game that came with this, which is absolute garbage because I bought it.

[Paul Scheer]

And I also bought the DVD and watched the hour deleted scenes with commentary from Sylvester Stallone.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sly, at the beginning of the deleted scenes, he says, this is a movie about relationships and love and people. And for whatever reason, the studio did not want us to tell those stories. And then the entire hour of deleted scenes is just, like, exposition. Dumps and fucking.

[Paul Scheer]

So that's where it is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, so there's fucking?

[Paul Scheer]

That's where it is? Yeah. You want it?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, that's great. Oh, that's cool. And then, yeah, that's pretty much the most notable thing. I love it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, Jafar, your best performance today.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Great work. Great work.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you so much.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Great work. Wow. Well, I'm glad to know that at least sex scenes were filmed, because I couldn't wrap my head around there not being sexy.

[June Diane Raphael]

What a poor thing to do as, like, an actor. You're like, I had to shoot that sex scene with Stallone, and no one even got to see it. Is it a positive or a negative? I don't know. Our other costume character over here. Hi. Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

This is amazing.

[June Diane Raphael]

All right, so what's your name?

[Paul Scheer]

My name is Bryn.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, Bryn. What's your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's not a question.

[Paul Scheer]

It's more.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I read through the production notes, and.

[Paul Scheer]

Apparently in that street racing scene, it was all shot practically with Stallone driving. Here's what he said about it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In that chase scene, I was rushing.

[Paul Scheer]

Through a tunnel at 160 miles per hour, which is 260 kilometers per hour. And I was.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, no, no.

[Paul Scheer]

Cut that part out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Cut it out.

[Paul Scheer]

Cut it out. Don't release it at the podcast. Not going to be in the audience.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This podcast is not. This podcast does not recognize the metric system. If anybody else converts a goddamn number, we're at it. We're. We're done.

[Paul Scheer]

He continued, I wasn't wearing a helmet. I realized my ears were touching the back of my head. The G forces were unbelievable. And that's not even talking about the freezing cold and my inability to see.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Anything without a visor.

[June Diane Raphael]

I call bullshit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't think that happened.

[June Diane Raphael]

I know that you found it, but I think it's all bullshit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, no, no. I agreed.

[Paul Scheer]

He said it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I believe he said it. I believe he said it. I don't believe it for an instant, but I believe he said it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Other people. Wait, so other people also back him up?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were talking about how the stunt team. This was shot in Toronto, and it was like very precisely choreographed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Single boo for Toronto.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, now late to the party, when we were there, they had some shit to say about you. They said their trees are too big.

[June Diane Raphael]

By the way. Can you just say what you just said to me? Because it's worse.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I said I was in Toronto.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They didn't say anything about Vancouver.

[June Diane Raphael]

All right, so he did definitely do it. I appreciate.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is great.

[June Diane Raphael]

All right. Amazing. Thank you so much. Let me go back here. All right. Thank you. Verse. Sold out show here, Vancouver. Sold out crowd. Hi, how are you? What's your name? I'm Sam. This is my wife Kelsey. Hi.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are we introducing spouses?

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know. He said it as if.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are we at your wedding?

[June Diane Raphael]

Tell me who you're here with, what you're wearing. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's going on?

[June Diane Raphael]

Favorite food. And then your question. Yes. Yeah. So my wife watched through the deleted scenes and the commentary from Stallone and he mentions that his character had this, like, deep backstory with scars and he had to wake up and drink and use pain pills to get going. And we got really into it. Do you think this movie would have been way better if it really did hit that, that five hour scene? Do you think it got to that Avengers Infinity War level? Or was it really just like that Lost tape is something we're missing, but what you describe doesn't feel like it. It just would need to be slightly injected into this film. Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, well, imagine if this film had portrayed Stallone the way the wrestler portrayed Mickey Rourke.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, wouldn't that be.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wouldn't that be an impactful bringing someone that wrecked, someone who is having to take pain pills, someone who is truly demolished? That would be incredible. But again, he is 37 and thriving in this movie despite the fact that he is very visibly a 55 year old man.

[June Diane Raphael]

All right, you are wearing a cart shirt. A 2001 cart shirt from Portland. Autographed. Autographed by multiple kart racers.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Whoa.

[June Diane Raphael]

Please take a picture of this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's the origin of the shirt?

[Paul Scheer]

I was a big CART fan. My family and I traveled around and watched.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, okay, wait. Time out.

[Paul Scheer]

Because I knew. I knew after this podcast. Where have you been? I felt the message boards lighting a fire and I knew you people were out there and you were gonna have things to say about us and to us. So.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So what a missed opportunity. You are the Morgan of Dungeons and Dragons.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

For kart racing.

[Paul Scheer]

And by the way, how are you doing post extinction? We're okay. We're getting into IndyCar now. That's okay.

[June Diane Raphael]

Can you. For like the laypeople just like. Because it looks to me if like F1. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, it's. It's American.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

So they're slower and they're. They like hang on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hang on. They love to crash. They're every.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, so crashing is a part of it. So when they are cheering. That's a thing.

[Paul Scheer]

That's a. That's a thing.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like a hockey fight.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Exactly. Which is something you understand.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait, can I ask, do people die? There have been deaths, but name them. Well, just because it seems like the way the drivers are getting ready and like picking up their photos and saying goodbye and, you know, doing all their things, it seems like they are prepared to die every race. And the safety things that got added, people kind of fought against those safety things. Strange. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is this a sport that now. Do you now follow one of the subsequent. Like F1 or.

[Paul Scheer]

I follow F1 mostly, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. And do you. And it has f. Okay, so let me ask this. When this was popular. Okay. Actually, was. You see this was this popular?

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, so. But did you go see Driven?

[Paul Scheer]

I saw Driven with my whole family when it came out, and we were.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Stoked because all of our favorite drivers are in the movie.

[Paul Scheer]

That's what I was thinking. I wondered in that sequence where they're dropping off their kids at the daycare center, which is just mere feet from the racetrack, those are the kids to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Be able to watch them die.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I understand that. I understand that. So, yeah, Paul Tracy, Canadian, he drops his kids. Off we see Mario Andretti.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Max Pappas, who signed my shirt, dies in the movie because he crashes. Wait, is he Greek? Max Pappas? Are there Greek car racers? I doubt it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, this is amazing. You.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait. Do you have any other insights? Because we've. You now have the microphone. Anything we've misrepresented or. Any. Any. Or, by the way, you can just be like, fuck, no, I'm done talking. The crashes are not that big. Okay.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's usually like a wheel falls off and someone spins. Someone doesn't. Isn't launched into a pond. No. What. What? One acre away.

[June Diane Raphael]

Am I. I don't want to put this on. And I'm not saying this is what you're saying. Is this hillbilly F1?

[Paul Scheer]

Great question, Paul. I would say it's NASCAR and F1 had a baby.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It would be cart. Okay, so then the answer is yes, hillbilly F1.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. Thank you so much for that. Thank you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Give it up. Give it up for a CART hero. Thank you.

[June Diane Raphael]

Every Canadian hits it out of the park with their questions. All right, you. Hi. What's your name? My name's Colin. Colin, what's your question really quick?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is there a possibility that Sylvester Stallone.

[June Diane Raphael]

Had a bit of a fetish with.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Watching his lady be with another guy? Because it feels like that's what this.

[June Diane Raphael]

Movie is really about.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wrote this note. Seems to be a sport that is predicated a lot on everybody cucking each other.

[June Diane Raphael]

We all get in different race cars. Why can't we get into different women?

[Paul Scheer]

Hey, you've always said that, babe. You've always.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Again, that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Again. Said that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You said that. As you said, that's going to be the T shirt, I promise. And I don't think anybody wants.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think everybody wants it. Everybody wants it. Everyone's gonna wear it. Thank you. Now, here's what I will say. What happened when Memo goes back to his. Memo's like, hey, buddy, you're the best.

[Paul Scheer]

You're the best.

[June Diane Raphael]

You're the best. And he goes back in the trailer and stares at himself from the glass table. I thought he was gonna do coke.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I did, too.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was like. And then we don't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What do you think the symbolism of that is?

[June Diane Raphael]

This is a great question. I am known for my detailed analysis of symbolism. The glass table is a mirror. It's a reflection of himself, and he hates it.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it was like. It was a weird moment because it's not what I wanted for a memo, you know?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, he's Putting on such a brave face for everybody because he's been demoted. You know, he's not gonna race because Sly's back and he's giving everybody the. It's fine. You're my brother. I'm so happy you're back. I love everybody. I'm Memo. Blah, blah, blah. Then he goes into the thing, and it's like, boy, I guess that's true. Is the dark. The dark twin. We see the dark twin in the.

[Paul Scheer]

Mirror, and then also we see that dark twin come out and race where he can't. He can't be a supporting actor. You know, he tries to be number one. And I was confounded in the hospital scene when Memo is there with Jimmy. Memo says to Jimmy, I made a mistake. I'm a guy who made a mistake. And Jimmy says, no, you didn't. You didn't make a mistake. Yeah, he did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Yes, he did. Agree.

[June Diane Raphael]

I am in the balcony.

[Paul Scheer]

Be careful, Paul.

[June Diane Raphael]

Balcony monsters. Welcome. How are you? Good to see you. Hey, how are you? I'm good, thank you. Okay, what's your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

As a Toronto native?

[June Diane Raphael]

I just wanted to say I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My question. Give your balls a tug. All right, I tried it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My question is, do we think that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Burt Reynolds signed on if he could only see. Sit. The entire. I thought the same thing. I was like, they, they realized early on, you know what? They can't do a walk and talk through all this crowd of people is like, put me in a chair. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was. I was actually shocked that he.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, wait, hold on. We got a good joke over here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Go ahead.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, no, I think it is. I, I, it sounded like I was being sarcastic. Hold on. We got a good. Jerk. Jerk. Yeah. Not jerk. Wait, we have a good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are you safe? Say the safe for me.

[June Diane Raphael]

I am safe. And now I've put too much spin on it. But it's good. We have a good joke over here. Go for it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I called him Inert Reynolds.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait, I'm sorry. I messed it up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, what's happening?

[Paul Scheer]

We called him Inert Reynolds, and it was great. It just got destroyed by.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was too delayed. It was too delayed on my part.

[Paul Scheer]

I would have been so happy. Happy. If all of our leads were in wheelchairs at the end. To me, that as a final shot, I would have been, oh, thrilled.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If. Yeah. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Guys, it's getting crazy up here. I've seen three cans of Can. Gatorade.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait, of Gatorade cans, Everybody.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What? Gotta get their electrolytes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Who. Did you raise your hand? Okay, great. What's your name? I'm Avery. How you doing? Good. What's your. What's your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, first off, Jason, you say Canadians are nice.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. That's what you think. We're nice until we're not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Such a nice. Way to put that.

[June Diane Raphael]

And also, in the bar scene, when.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Estella Warren enters, she's wearing this really nice white jacket.

[June Diane Raphael]

Then later, when she walks up to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The bar, she's wearing something completely different.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now, do we think that's just a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Continuity flaw, or do we think she deliberately changed clothes in the bathroom just so she could come up and talk to Jimmy Bly.

[Paul Scheer]

See, I wonder if there were sex scenes in between that we didn't get to see.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now, I think that. I agree. I think that just means there are cut scenes for you and for the woman over there, who clearly, that was the most important part of the movie for her. Never has this woman felt more seen in her life than what this dildo said up there. These two people cannot get rid of this turd.

[June Diane Raphael]

I've never spent this much time in the back row, but I'm gonna give it another shot. Here we go. What do you got?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This one is for June.

[Paul Scheer]

I specifically want your opinion on why, when Beau is dying to get his girl back, instead of making a grand.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Romantic gesture, why do you think he just chose a very public event and.

[Paul Scheer]

They just make small chit chat and.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He just pulls out a ring and.

[Paul Scheer]

Is like, hey, I want to get back together.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

God.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, June, you can speak to this because that's what happened with us, right?

[Paul Scheer]

I know. It's so hard. Cause I related so hard. I related so hard. I mean, it's so. That's why I asked earlier, what does Sophia Simone want? Because she does go back with him pretty quick and I don't know why. He's German.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, boy.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't understand it at all.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I did feel like that scene, all of the scenes especially that were about that stuff, were just illustrating. And again, I guess this is coming from Stallone. How profoundly these men do not understand their own emotions. They only understand the car, the race, the whatever. They even Beau is like. Like he says to Stallone, I pushed her away. I don't know why. I don't. They. These men are emotionally at zero. Their emotional intelligence is at a zero. And at the end of the movie, they're at like a two, barely. We are like heroes to forego winning, to save a human life. We act like, isn't that incredible what they did? No.

[Paul Scheer]

The bar is so low. But the bar is so low. I was like, wow, they're great.

[June Diane Raphael]

Great guys, I want to tell you. I was like, why? Why are they doing that? There's people out there that are paid to do that.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, Paul, I did raise the question of, like, where the rescue teams were.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Why plans were.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, they say in the place that it's a difficult area to get to because it's a swamp that is 1km away.

[June Diane Raphael]

From the trench, actually, where they built Alligator Alcatraz.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Careful. I'll send you there right now. You don't think I can't send you there right now.

[Paul Scheer]

One thing we didn't talk about is the fact that as they're on their tour, their cart tour, every country they go to, there's a giant flag. No, there's a giant flag of the country right by whatever the. The first scene is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yep. Like this.

[Paul Scheer]

Wearing the pool.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it's. It doesn't. It doesn't need to be at the track where you might think it would be.

[Paul Scheer]

No, no, no, no.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Even though there's been a chiron on screen that says where exactly they are.

[Paul Scheer]

We need a sense of scope. We need a sense of.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They understand that the people watching this movie are absolute morons.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do want to show this one thing that I think is. Is so great. Here, hold on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

While you look for it, I can read a few things. This is I wrote. Ever since I have started dictating my notes while I watch the movie into my phone, my note taking has changed in these ways. Here's one. I'm sobbing in my room at these men trying to save Memo under the water. Even as I dictate this, my voice is quivering. And then somehow, after all that, 35 minutes left, question mark, exclamation point. Then I wrote sobbing again at in quotes. Don't see you see me. Memo got me with that one. Don't see you see me. Don't see that this could happen to you. Just see that. Wow. Memo fucking got me, man. That's when I was like, put Memo in Fast and Furious. Are you crying?

[Paul Scheer]

No, I'm okay. I'm okay. But I do wonder, like, are we okay? I also cried during this movie. Are we okay?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Don't see you see this?

[Paul Scheer]

A cry for help.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sobbing in a hotel room in Vancouver, Canada, which is a sentence I hope to never say again.

[June Diane Raphael]

All right, you know, we obviously had a lot to say about this movie, but now it is time for a second opinion.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hey, I'm Bobby. Now it's time for second opinion's. Remix. Gonna share some drama with my homie Tall John? And hear the crowd ooh for June and Jason? Gotta give it five stars? Cause the movie was hyped? But if you're gonna ask a question, Paul holds the mic? We got Stallone grinning, the camera spinning? Took 55 minutes just to reach the beginning? And the movie is driven? But the plot is going nowhere? Camera's so zoomed in I can count Noah's hairs? Gina Gershon rocking a denim hat? You can give it one shot, but you'll never top? That's why I love Brandy Harlem. So the mission at large. Get on Amazon and give the movie five stars. Everybody. When I say April, y' all say Hallie. April. April. When I say win this, y' all say battle. Win this. Win this. We love you. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Thank you so much. That's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[June Diane Raphael]

3,293 total reviews. 79% of them are five star. These are culled from Amazon. Christy Churchill writes, In 2008, I have watched my VHS copy of Driven Raw.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hang on, hang on.

[Paul Scheer]

What does that mean?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'll be honest, I watched it much the same way.

[June Diane Raphael]

But that's how I.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Watch most of our movies, without protection.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's why I'm getting it on DVD now. I was reading some reviews from the people who gave this film one star. Well, they're saying, oh, well, this can't happen. And that's not real. Well, all I have to say is Superman isn't real. Spider man isn't real. And I bet you watch those movies. My point is, it's A movie is made to entertain you. If you want real, watch a real thing. What? Not a movie. Yeah, the storyline might be like Days of Thunder, but hey, in this movie you get Stallone. What could be better than that? Five stars. Title.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Action.

[June Diane Raphael]

John in 2015 writes, I love this movie. The sound is phenomenal. If you have a pair of 5.1 or above headphones, you need to own this movie. If you have a 7.1 or higher setup, you need to own this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If you have your center speaker hooked up to 76 decibels or above, this movie's second act will be incredible.

[June Diane Raphael]

Helen McGill in 2014 writes, is a good movie. If you like fast cars and drinking.

[Paul Scheer]

Is there drinking in the movie?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't think there's. I would. I would argue there's almost no drinking.

[June Diane Raphael]

In the entire movie. I would. Yep. Five stars. Driven.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you think that's because the person watching the movie was drinking.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, I think so. I think she's like, if you're drunk. Yeah. Love this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If you like fast cars and drinking, that's the only way to get through this piece of shit.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow. Any final thoughts on the film Driven?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, still so many basic questions. Like when the first sequence happened with Stallone and Jimmy and he. I don't know what he did. He pulled out in front of him and slowed down or something.

[June Diane Raphael]

It happened in F1 too.

[Paul Scheer]

It was the same scene from F1. But he was so mad that he had done that and was like, I'm never gonna do that again. But what did he do?

[June Diane Raphael]

He slowed down the race so the other guy would win. He basically.

[Paul Scheer]

Isn't that what he's supposed to do as a supporting actor?

[June Diane Raphael]

He's not a blocker, June. Not a goddamn block. What do you think? He's a supporting actor.

[Paul Scheer]

He's only 30 seconds. My question is, I. I don't know. As that second racer, as a walker, but what is he supposed to be doing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He is. No, you're right. Burt Reynolds is asking him to be. To not try and win, but to. And he's asking him to do a shady thing, which is he's asking him to pit when he doesn't need to pit so that he can exit in front of Bo.

[Paul Scheer]

I call that strategy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I agree, but it seems like there is a. A code amongst the drivers.

[Paul Scheer]

The brotherhood of speed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The brotherhood of speed. Says, you can, my wife, but you can't. But you cannot cut me off from the pit, bro.

[June Diane Raphael]

Amen.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will watch you, my wife, but you better not come out of the.

[June Diane Raphael]

Pit at me, bro, because if you my wife, that's fair, but if you do that, it's unfair.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm just looking at the number of pedestrians that must have died during this. Justice for Memoirs. The rain race. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, they shouldn't have rain.

[Paul Scheer]

Why would they have started that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Every single driver was like, I cannot see.

[Paul Scheer]

But that's like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, call it.

[Paul Scheer]

But that's a. That is something that happens in the F1 movie too, is that they're driving in slippery.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sometimes the rain happens.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know what was shocking? Okay, go ahead.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sorry. I was gonna say, the one moment I just want to spend just a second on is a reporter at one point says to one of the guys, I don't know, he says, what would you do if you win? And then he goes, I'd throw A party.

[Paul Scheer]

Like the reporter volunteers moment. He's like, that was. I want a sequel. Just about that reporter that was really made.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I threw a party.

[June Diane Raphael]

Thanks, sir.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's incredible is that we have a full three dimensional understanding of the team. From Burt Reynolds to Jimmy to Joe Tonto to Memo to the whole thing. We don't know anybody else's team at all. We know Bo as an individual. We don't know his coaches at all. There are no bad guys in the movie, period.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, Robert Sean Leonard, okay, Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A craven agent slash brother.

[Paul Scheer]

I loved when he said like how dare you? I deserve more than that as a manager. I was like, you know buddy, wait a second.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But wait a second.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm just realizing something that I put together. In that scene in the trailer. He goes, when I watched you in that go kart lap those kids, he goes, you were a 13 year old. I was like, oh, I thought it was like a Chuck E. Cheese or something like that. No, this is like one of these.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They were like doing racing like this.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, I laughed so hard at how small Stallone's trophy was that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I laughed and that he brought it to the gala to give to Jimmy and that then later Jimmy had it.

[Paul Scheer]

With him holding it like a talisman. It's the tiniest little thing you ever did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It makes no sense.

[June Diane Raphael]

Maybe Stallone likes little things so he feels bigger.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, I bet you're right, Stallone.

[June Diane Raphael]

This is a life size trophy for normal people. Whoa, pretty big. I'm a pretty big guy. If this is this for big for normal people was big. I'm a big.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know what? You know what was crazy to me? In the Memo death scene, Memo's car goes like vertical at one point. You then get Memo's point of view. You are given both Memos eyes and then you see Memo's point of view. I was like, whoa, we're about to die. In the movie we're about to be. This is the only, only time we've gotten Memo's point of view. We're about to watch the life get snuffed from him. And I was turned on. No, that was a crazy moment. I was like, what is Rennie Har. By the way, without Rennie Harlan, this movie is unbearable.

[Paul Scheer]

Unbearable dog.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The fact that it's even coherent at all is due to him entirely. He is an absolute legend for. How did this get made?

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, we love Renny Harlan. And he says, I don't like this movie. So would you recommend it?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, absolutely.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, sure. Me too. That's three across the board.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, Jesus, this is so fun, you know, this is a blast.

[Paul Scheer]

Flew by when there were 40 minutes left. I was like. I was also like, how? Well, you know, how is that possible? I was watching a part of it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

On the plane on my phone, right. And I stopped because I was like, I gotta wait until I'm at the hotel to watch this on the big screen. Which has never happened. And boy, was I glad I did.

[June Diane Raphael]

Vancouver, you have been amazing. This has been a fantastic show. This has been. How did this get made? We love it. It Jason Manzukas.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

June Diane Rafiel. I am Paul Sheer.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'll be out in the lobby signing books. Just give me like four or five minutes. All right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank you, everybody. Vancouver.

[June Diane Raphael]

Thank you. Vancouver. What a show. Thank you, Vogue Theater Canada. We loved being back inside of you. That sounds dirtier when I say it out loud. You can get our very special brand new T shirt that says Rosetta Stallone. It is one of my favorite designs that we have done. I know I've been saying that a lot recently, but they're all honest. I love this one, though. Head over to hdtgm.com you can click on our merchandise link there. You can also get yourself a how did this get made hat. I also want to shout out Bobby, one of our second opinion singer from this episode with that beautiful song about Avril Halle. That was absolutely wonderful. Thank you for that. Avril is still in the fight with cancer and you know, from the last reports, seemingly really making some strides. But she still needs some love. And if you want to show her some of that love, you can send her a message at andrewoviebitches XYZ or you can mail her something at Avrilhalli, P.O. box 641, Agora Hills, CA 91376. Nothing perishable, nothing scented. As always, if you have a correction or omission about this Stallone summer madness, if you want to get in there and talk about driven, then you can leave me a voicemail at 619p a u l a S K. Or write a comment on our discord at Discord GG HDTGM people tonight, right now. This is the weekend of June. Diane Rayfield. That's right. She is in Weapons and Freakier Friday. Two great films. I'm loving Weapons. Weapons is like Paul Thomas Anderson meets John Carpenter. Truly worth seeing in the theater. And remember, if you love this show, then you are definitely following us on Apple podcasts and Spotify. It does help. So Please do it. Check right now. And last but not least, I gotta thank our entire team to who the show would not be done. I am talking about our producer, Scott Sahne. Molly Reynolds. And our moviepeaking producer Avril Halley. And our engineer, Casey Holford. That' all I got. We'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now. Adam Pally here and I'm John Gabris. We're a couple actors and best friends who you may know as the host of the TV show 101 Places to Party before you die. Now we're bringing you a comedic look at health and wellness with our new show, staying Alive.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[June Diane Raphael]

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