Drop Zone

Summary

How Did This Get Made? – “Drop Zone” (May 22, 2026)

Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
Episode Theme: A wild, hilarious breakdown of the 1994 Wesley Snipes skydiving action movie “Drop Zone”—why it baffles, delights, and befuddles, with plenty of comic tangents, nostalgia, and sharp-eyed detail.

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Episode Overview

The trio dives (pun intended) into “Drop Zone,” a mid-90s action-thriller starring Wesley Snipes as a U.S. Marshal drawn into a world of skydiving criminals led by Gary Busey. They wrestle with the film’s baffling logic, 90s action tropes, and oddball subculture energy. The episode vacillates between sincere confusion, side-splitting riffs, and genuine appreciation for this uniquely misguided slice of ‘90s cinema.

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Detailed Discussion and Key Segments

1. Plot Confusion: A “Point Break,” But Airborne?

[02:03–03:14]

• Paul: Struggles to sum up the plot—Wesley Snipes’ character is transporting a prisoner (Michael Jeter). The plane is hijacked mid-flight by Gary Busey’s skydiving terrorists, who kill Snipes’ partner (and brother); Snipes has to team up with skydivers to foil the plot, which involves air-dropping into secure buildings.
• Jason: “Kind of like Point Break, but less complicated and oddly more confusing.”
• June: Immediately needed a nap post-viewing—“It put me to bed. Not tired watching it, but something happened... I had to go to bed.” (03:41)

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2. Skydiving as an Action Trope

[04:03–07:30]

• Jason: “A movie about parachuting that does not understand how parachutes work...” (04:03)
• Hosts muse: The film treats skydiving like a new, extreme fad—Jason: “It feels like they’re talking about it like rollerblades. Like, do you know what this culture is?” (04:31)
• June: Wonders if skydiving is even a competitive sport (04:48–06:00). The “third act event” is a climactic D.C. competition, justified in the script by rare public access to D.C. airspace on July 4th.
• Group: Baffled by the lack of shots showing the much-hyped skydiving formations from the ground—“Why couldn’t we see that shape from the ground?” (08:38)

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3. Florida, D.C., and Curious Setpieces

[09:16–10:14]

• Reflecting pool madness: Multiple audience observations of “biking upstream” and juggling flaming batons in the Washington Monument reflecting pool.
• Jason: “That’s—They were going upstream, like trying to ride their bikes upstream in the water.” (09:46)
• Paul: “The single person in the pool up to his waist juggling pins on fire. Blew my entire mind.” (09:33)

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4. Gary Busey: The Movie’s Unhinged Center

[13:10–14:27]; [52:31–53:18]

• Paul: “How have we done so few Gary Busey movies? He’s got to have a library—a catalog of movies.”
• Jason: Suggests “Summer of Busey” or “Hot Busey Summer” as a future theme.
• June: “He is compelling on screen. Electric. Absolutely electric.” (13:21)
• Great Busey anecdote: Jason describes a set altercation where Busey, in-character, kicked an actor in the throat for “flirting with his girlfriend”—“He kicked me in the throat.” (14:07)
• On Busey's character: The hosts delight in Busey's improvisations, especially during the first heist: “He keeps going around to everybody and asking them if there’s anything he can do to help...” (52:31)

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5. Wesley Snipes: Action Star off the Script

[15:33–18:14]

• Jason: Recaps Snipes’s hot streak in the 90s: “He is a box office star and there is a tax evasion...”
• Paul: “There’s an energy of him in this movie that feels like, I am untouchable... I’ll drive a car like this sometimes, sometimes a motorcycle. When they ask me where my car is—don’t worry about it.”
• June: Notes how Snipes’s fearless, “I’ll do whatever I want” performance style shapes the tone.
• Audio highlights: “The best part of this movie…is Wesley Snipes [doing] ADR lines or his grunts and groans as he’s falling, because he really goes for it.” (17:42)

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6. Skydiving: Looks Cool... or Not?

[19:24–20:50]; [21:00–21:06]

• June: “There’s so much goofy looking stuff. So you look pretty silly with your suit on. ... when you land ... you fall on the ground. There’s nothing even...cool.”
• Paul: Rescue scenes are essentially “mid-air 69s.” (20:50)
• Jason: “They’re always doing like mid-air 69 and I’m like, this is not cool looking.” (21:00)

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7. Criminal Masterminds—Or Just Dumb?

[25:14–29:41]

• Group: Confounded by how no one spots massive parachutes landing on buildings in broad daylight.
• Paul: “Nobody sees or reacts to anything. ... Eight people just start putting gas masks on and loading guns, and everybody else in the plane is like, ‘What’s that? What’s going on?’” (25:15)
• Plot holes: Why did the criminals force their hacker to skydive instead of just sneaking him into the building?
• June: “You can use a scooter, you can use your rollerblades...or you could skydive.”

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8. Every Skydiver Looks the Same

[30:02–31:40]

• June: “I couldn’t tell one of these guys from the next.”
• Jason: “There’s a bad woman and a good woman. ... then everybody else is just like, bald guy, this guy Jagger…”

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9. Physical Action & Set Piece Hilarity

[54:20–55:45]

• June: The copy machine takedown: “She just runs with it and rams it into her...and that kills her.”
• Hosts: Baffled by the clunky, confusing stunt/skydiving scenes and physics-defying moves—“When she hooks her feet through his arms, they kind of do a somersault backwards...wait, was that part of the rescue?”

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10. Absurdities in Plot Logic

[34:01–35:33]; [66:06–66:35]

• Faked deaths: Why does the government believe someone is dead just because they found a finger?
• Child witness: June’s “pet peeve” is scripts written for much younger children than the actor cast for holding a stuffed animal.
• On procedural confusion: Why didn’t authorities just check the passenger manifest? (Answered: “The computer virus,” to much laughter.)

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11. Skydiving Subculture as Outlaw “Gang”

[47:31–48:59]

• Bar scene: Skydivers act like a motorcycle gang. “Blue Skies, Black Death.”
• Jason: “We are to believe that skydivers in general...are also equally as dangerous.”
• Paul: “They are a gang for no reason.”

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12. Tidbits, Trivia, and Cultural Context

[73:43–76:40]

• Skydiving movie glut: Terminal Velocity (1994, Charlie Sheen) was a competing film of the era—“Maybe it’s a skydive summer?”
• Hans Zimmer Score: “Zimmer was once talking about the film and he said, Drop Zone was written just for fun. I was being reckless. Nothing to prove, nothing to lose...” (74:47)
• Screenwriter: Same writer as “High School Musical.”
• Theme park legacy: The original Drop Zone ride at Paramount Parks is now “Drop Tower Scream Zone.”

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13. Notable Quotes

• Jason (on Drop Zone's skydiving logic):
  “A movie about parachuting that does not understand how parachutes work, especially in the third act—parachutes are being opened, closed, pulling people while they’re walking…” [04:03]
• June (post-movie fatigue):
  “It put me to bed… I think I got to go to bed.” [03:41]
• Paul (on the film’s approach to logic):
  “The movie is basically like, don’t worry about it, you’re dumb. Just let us cook.” [16:44]
• June (on all skydivers looking alike):
  “I couldn’t tell one of these guys from the next.” [30:02]
• Jason (on parachute midair “rescues”):
  “They’re always doing like mid air 69. And I’m like, this is not cool looking.” [21:00]
• Paul, about group skydiving shapes:
  “What other tricks? … That’s it.” [69:33]
• Jason, on random movie details:
  “At the tail end of one scene, Wesley Snipes pantomime shaking an aquatic creature out of his pant leg onto the floorboard of his car … [That’s] a very strange thing to see a man do in the front seat of a pristine 1965 Ford Mustang.” [73:48]
• Jason, on Busey’s death scene:
  “His death in this movie is a great tight...He is falling from the building and you get a tight close up of his face. And he is known to have a big mouth and a big jaw—like he is going for it.” [13:26]

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14. Listener “Second Opinions”

[70:28–74:22]

• Notable reviews: Sincere, baffling, and sometimes just blunt statements, e.g.,
  • “I watched this cool movie in 2020 with my dad who has now passed away. Five stars.” [73:43]
  • “A fascinating look at the subculture of skydivers. ... a good thriller with some humor and interesting characters.” [72:12]

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Closing Thoughts

• Group Consensus: Despite myriad confusion, “Drop Zone” is entertaining, just not in the ways its creators intended. If you like baffling but fun ‘90s action, this is a wild ride.
• Paul: “I loved it. Let’s do more Lucy Busey. The buse is loose.” [76:54]

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Running Gags & Memorable Moments

• “Lucy Busey”—coinage for Busey’s unpredictable energy and unpredictable impact.
• Point Break vs. Drop Zone vs. Terminal Velocity—an unofficial contest for the era’s best skydiving action movie.
• Skydiving as a subculture: Treated with baffled respect and disbelief: are all skydivers secretly living in dangerous communal hangars, picking fights, and using skydiving in place of ordinary travel?

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Suggested Next Steps

• If you want more wild action or Gary Busey insanity, suggest similar movies to the show’s Discord.
• “Extreme Sports Summer” could be a future podcast mini-series, based on this episode’s delight with ‘90s adrenaline movies.

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[Paul Shearer]

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[Jason Manzoukas]

question, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to how did this Get Made? This is a show where we talk about the misunderstood classics. That's right. This week we are Talking about the 1994 film Drop Zone with Wesley Snipes. It's kind of like Point Break, but less complicated and oddly more confusing. If you want to know what happens and you have not seen the movie Brief setup, you got Wesley Snipes. He is trying to transport this prisoner, Michael Jeter, to prison. But in the middle of their flight, they are hijacked by terrorists led by Gary Busey, who not Only take the prisoner, but also kill Wesley Snipes partner Wesley Snipes and poor brother and brother. And long story short, Wesley Snipes has to team up with a bunch of skydivers to uncover a plot of a former DE agent who is using skydiving to break into big buildings. Anyway, welcome to the show, my two co hosts. Just that.

[Paul Shearer]

Just you attempting to get through. The explanation was incredible.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh my gosh. Please welcome Jason Manzukis and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both?

[Paul Shearer]

Wow. I mean, just watched it. Just watched it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Just finished.

[Paul Shearer]

I've. I probably won't be the same for the rest of my life.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's so interesting because I just finished. Well, actually not just I say, you know, it's 3 o' clock right now. Probably finish at 2:30. And then I immediately, and I mean immediately needed a nap.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah, it's exhausting.

[June Diane Raphael]

And it put. It put me to bed. I wasn't tired watching it, but like something happened to me or I think I got to go to bed.

[Paul Shearer]

It makes you feel like you're breathing thin air in the atmosphere at 37,000ft.

[June Diane Raphael]

So many things happening in the sky for no reason could happen on the ground.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

By the way, I'd also argue that this is a movie about parachuting that does not understand how parachutes work, especially in the third act because parachutes are being reopened close. Pulling people while they're walking. There's a lot of parachute work.

[Paul Shearer]

Sorry, Paul, I know you just said it, but I've already. It's already escaped my mind. What year?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, I. This is what I wanted to talk to you about because it feels like it.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah. The movie feels like it's. Parachutes are brand new.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, that's the thing that's absolutely wild. I don't believe that parachuting is new, but it feels like. It feels like they're talking about it. Like rollerblades. Like do you know what this culture,

[June Diane Raphael]

have you heard of it?

[Paul Shearer]

It feels like extreme sports, you know, or something like that.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm going to ask. I, you know, and I'm sure I'm wrong. I would have googled this but I had to go to sleep it. Is skydiving a competitive sport?

[Paul Shearer]

I don't know. And I mean, I'm certain there must have been weirdos trying to do stunts and nonsense. But like the D.C. the third act event that all of the teams from all over the country, including the good guys team and the bad guys team are all at like a competition or an exposition or a Showcase.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I don't know what it is. They get to parachute into a fireworks display which seems ill advised, very dangerous, terrible one spot.

[June Diane Raphael]

You shouldn't parachute, I would think. And I mean well, the reason why. But so here's the thing. Cause I was also, I was obsessed with the fact that like the big event was at in D.C. first of all, like why.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh by the way, for just to. Just for time's sake, not to timestamp this. I don't know when this episode will come out, but on the mall, on the reflecting pool, they're parachuting into the Washington Monument as we are currently tearing it out of the ground.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's right. But here's the thing I can understand. Well, can I understand if there's the biggest event in the skydiving community? I can see it in like Hawaii or you coast some place where it's like, oh, the, the landscape is so gorgeous to look at DC reasons Metro DC One of the reasons they said aside from it being the 4th of July. Okay, but. Okay, but one of the reasons they want D.C. is because they never have access to the airspace.

[Paul Shearer]

Correct.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Right. Because. And by the way, that the reason why that accident did just recently happen in D.C. crowded airspace. Very crowded airspace. So this is the moment that they can finally get to see the beauty of D.C. from above.

[Paul Shearer]

Well, I think that what we're meant to believe is that the skydiving event, them creating this geometric pattern of people

[June Diane Raphael]

in the sky and this one, one

[Paul Shearer]

pattern, one pattern is for the people on the ground, not the skydivers. I don't think this is like, hey, we're going to get a great view. I think it's for the people on the ground to look up and be like, oh, I guess they're in concentric circles. My mind is blown. Like, I don't understand. I think it's so cool.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's for the people, but it's also for the skydivers. Like it's sort of like we're putting on a show but we also get to audition to be in the show.

[June Diane Raphael]

To be in the show. That seemed to be a big part of it. But here's my question. So the. They auditioned for it and that's when. During the audition sequence, that's when one of our teams, the good guys, one of them gets hurt midair. Sabotage. Midair.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, fine. The second sabotage, he's out.

[Jason Manzoukas]

We are talking about the third act of this movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

I know.

[Jason Manzoukas]

We will get back.

[Paul Shearer]

We will get back.

[June Diane Raphael]

We'll go back. We'll go all the way back. Don't worry. But just know. Just know this. Then both teams, I guess, move forward to go.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, there's a lot of people in the. In the design.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. So then we're in the actual show. And to my surprise, it's at nighttime. Okay. But I guess we need to see the fireworks. So why isn't there ever a shot, though, when you see their sky suits, they have lights on them, which I thought was kind of cool. But we never see them from the audience's perspective from the ground.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, we never spend that time because the drop has nothing to do with the crime. Right. The drop. Like, they just need to get up in the airspace so they can protect.

[June Diane Raphael]

I know, but they do make that shape. Why couldn't we see that shape from the ground?

[Paul Shearer]

I agree 100% with you, June. And I also thought it was very strange. And I think the reason is because they're using this 4th of July event on the mall, on the. At the reflecting pool, as if it is what they're jumping into. But the action of the movie is actually not taking place there. So I don't think they wanted to stock them all with. I think that's just B roll. I don't think they wanted to stock the mall with. People pay for extras pay. It'd be so big for. For our good guys and bad guys just to go to the DEA building instead of the mall. Now, I will say, you know, I

[Jason Manzoukas]

mean, you know, we don't. We're not getting into politics here, but when this movie was shot, it looks like people are treating that mall disgustingly like there's a guy juggling fire batons in it. Somebody is, like, walking in it. Somebody bike riding in it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Talk about drain the swamp. Oh, my God, the swamp.

[Paul Shearer]

The single person in the pool up to his waist juggling pins on fire. Blew my entire mind.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was obsessed with the guy to two people who had. Were on bikes in the reflecting.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's. That's. They were going upstream.

[June Diane Raphael]

They were going upstream, like trying to ride their bikes upstream in the water.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah. What was this? What the fuck is going on?

[Jason Manzoukas]

It felt like a Saturday afternoon. Now, here's what I'll tell you because the original question that got us off on this. And yes, we'll be talking about skydiving a lot. When was skydiving invented? Well, people say the person who invented it. Leonardo da Vinci. That's right. Leonardo da Vinci is conceived the idea

[Paul Shearer]

from the movie that we did where.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, yeah, Hudson Hawk.

[Paul Shearer]

Was it Hudson Hawk, was it?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah. So basically, the first official parachute jump was in 1797. 1797. And I will say that looking through the history of skydiving and jumping, it seems like the 70s became a very big part of, like, more recreational jumps. And then there was, like, this. In the 70s, it was doing a lot more of these formations. And then according to this website, Skydive New England in 1982, that was a huge year for skydiving because they invented the three ring system, which was a better to not have accidents. And it really does seem that 89 is the last year of true skydiving innovation, which was. And these are all ways to prevent you from dying. Like 83 and 89, basically, the big inventions are things to prevent your shoot from not opening. But, like, as far as.

[Paul Shearer]

Like, that seems important, like, safety features and like. So it became something not just for, like, the military and. Or like, true daredevils. It could be. Anybody could take a class on a weekend and you could skydive, you know.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now let me say something, because I know we've spoken pretty negatively about the movie so far, and I want to offer something positive. So for a few years, probably two years, I worked at Puck Fair in New York City. And one of the bartenders was a skydiver. He's from Australia. And the intense energy that was coming off of him and this sort of mania, I'll say it. Behind his eyes, bright blonde hair, look like Gary.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's like you dated this person.

[June Diane Raphael]

I did. I didn't. Okay, Paul. But. But they did capture a certain quality about these skydivers.

[Jason Manzoukas]

An adrenaline junkie.

[Paul Shearer]

Yes, I agree. And I thought they did a great job of this. Only to be outdone, I would say, by Point Break, you know.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes, yes.

[Paul Shearer]

Another Gary Busey skydiving movie about heists.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Paul Shearer]

By the way, this is so weird.

[Jason Manzoukas]

By the way, Point Break came out three years earlier than this.

[Paul Shearer]

Earlier. That's what I was going to say earlier.

[Jason Manzoukas]

So this is like, Point Break came out in 1991. This came out in 1994.

[Paul Shearer]

I feel like Busey was like, oh, man, I'm bummed. I had to be a good guy in Point Break. I want to be one of the bad guys. So I'll do this one.

[Jason Manzoukas]

We.

[Paul Shearer]

I really want to say this, and I mean this in all earnestness.

[June Diane Raphael]

Go ahead.

[Paul Shearer]

I think we are missing out on an opportunity. How have we done so few Gary Busey movies? I think he knows he's got to have a library, a catalog of movies.

[Jason Manzoukas]

We should Be doing Summer of Busey. Maybe it should be.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah. That. Maybe it is Son of Busey. Summer.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, my God. Hot beauty. Summer.

[June Diane Raphael]

I agree.

[Paul Shearer]

He's.

[June Diane Raphael]

He is compelling on screen. Electric. Absolutely electric.

[Jason Manzoukas]

His death in this movie is a great tight. He is falling from the building and you get a tight close up of his face. And he is known to have a big mouth and a big jaw like he is going for it. Oh, yeah. I did a movie with Gary Busey.

[Paul Shearer]

Wow.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah. And I was never on set at the same time, but when I first came to set, the lead actor had a neck brace on. And I said, what happened here? And he said, gary Busey was flirting with my girlfriend in the movie. And he saw me as a threat because in the movie I'm her boyfriend. And he kicked me in the throat.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, my God.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, by the way, there's that moment at the bar. Yes, There's a moment at the bar scene where he's excited about something. I don't know what's happening. And he kisses the woman on their team. And I felt for sure that that was just. That was not scripted. That was. Nobody designed for that.

[Paul Shearer]

That's what they call a classic Lucy Busey.

[June Diane Raphael]

That was a thousand percent a Lucy Busey.

[Jason Manzoukas]

A Lucy Busey, indeed. Now, I'll tell you, I want to put two things here, because this is how I feel about this movie. This whole movie is Lucy Busey. Because this is Wesley Snipes at the peak of his career. Like, just listen to this. Like, he's doing Mo Betta Blues, New Jack City, Jungle Fever, White man can't jump. Passenger 57, boiling point, rising Sun, Demolition Man, Drop Zone. Right. So these are like, he is a box office star and there is a tax evasion. Well, yes, that's coming.

[Paul Shearer]

I don't know if that's yet. I think that's coming.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's later.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

He did build a pyramid. I believe there was a.

[June Diane Raphael]

But I wonder if these movies are the movies he didn't claim.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah. These are the paychecks he was trying to claim, to obfuscate.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Now, I will tell you this, that there's an energy of him in this movie that feels like, I am untouchable. I will do whatever I want, which means I'm going to wear what I want. And I'm gonna say what I want. Because when you open up on that scene of Wesley Snipes and his brother Malcolm, Jamal Warner, as they're in the car, I'm like, this wasn't scripted. This is Just two guys. I mean, listen to it. You gotta be sick of those tired two month relationships. Problem is you're not meeting the right kind of woman. A woman who'll run with the wolves. Somebody who'll at least keep you interested.

[Paul Shearer]

Run with the wolves?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Shearer]

I mean, I told you about watching too much of that Oprah shit.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Come on, Pete, a little excitement's not gonna kill you. Terry, I like the women nice, quiet and dull. You know what I'm saying? Not like that Mongolian feminist that you

[Paul Shearer]

set me up with.

[June Diane Raphael]

You don't think Mongolian feminist was scripted?

[Jason Manzoukas]

I mean, right? It was like, what? Like I was literally looking. I was like, this is the first time we're meeting these guys. There is nothing in here that gives me, like, any like. And I'm like. And that's what this whole movie feels like. It just feels like Wesley Snipes is like, I'll drive a car like this sometimes. Sometimes I'm gonna drive a motorcycle. And then when they ask me where my car is, I'm like, don't worry about it. Like, it's like there are. There's just like. He feels like he is running around the city.

[June Diane Raphael]

Thank you for saying that, Paul, because I almost rewinded and I was like, did I miss a scene where he lost his car?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Nope. No.

[Paul Shearer]

The movie feels. The movie is basically like, don't worry about it, you're dumb. Just let us just let cook. You know, it. It almost feels like they. They shot it, you know, over the course of years or something. And you know, like it feels so. And it's. This is a John Badam movie. This is a very good, like, journeyman director. This is like, I understand how we got to make this movie and why, like a top of his game. Wesley Snipes would be like, absolutely. I want to do this. A Point Break style action, you know, Daredevil. What's so interesting, though, is that he allowed himself to be scared, you know, like, he didn't like it. He didn't want. He wasn't like. Like Keanu Reeves in Point Break gets. He's just as much of a junkie as the bad guys are, you know, I mean, like, he gets into it, but Wesley Snipes is not only bad at this, he's scared of it, you know, and that's.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And to me, the best part of this movie, and I want to play just a section of it, is Wesley Snipes ADR lines or his grunts and groans as he's falling, because he does really go for it. He's like, well, here, Help me.

[Paul Shearer]

I got you.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And it's all like,

[Paul Shearer]

help me, help me.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I've never seen anyone so in a movie. And I loved it.

[Paul Shearer]

Well, what I loved about it too is like, when we talk, we talk so often about like, how modern action stars, your Vin Diesels, your, the rocks, your people, are unwilling to lose a fight, unwilling to take a punch, unwilling to get knocked down, unwilling to, Unwilling

[Jason Manzoukas]

to hit a woman in the face.

[Paul Shearer]

But Wesley Snipes is like, I'm, no, no, please let me be fearful. Let me be bad at this. Let me be. And I'm like, this would never happen now that he would somehow fall out of a plane and have to ask for help and be rescued by the, the, the woman who is like, who. By the way, he's first in a plane crash where his brother dies and then he's immediately in a prop plane with the skydiving crew. And what's, what's the woman's name? Yancy.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yancy Butler.

[Paul Shearer]

Yancy Butler just hits a button and drops him out of the airplane without telling him.

[Jason Manzoukas]

He's sitting like bald up with his, to his chest. I'm like, it was such a emasculating pose for an action movie. Yeah, drop like a bullet, like a sack of potatoes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, that's the thing that's tricky about skydiving in, in action movies is. And I, I, this is where I have sympathy for the movie. I mean, I, I guess Point Break was able to do it a lot more successfully, but there's so much goofy looking stuff. Right. So it's like you look pretty silly with your suit on. You look really silly when you're just flying down, like looking like a flying squirrel pose. And then once you have to put your parachute up, you look like a little kid when you have someone on your back. That's funny and silly. You know, there's no way when you land on the ground. That's funny because you, you fall on the ground like there's nothing even, Even when you're steering back and forth. It's pretty goofy. It's like there's nothing cool.

[Paul Shearer]

And then when you, when there's a number of inst. Instances where someone needs to be rescued midair.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Shearer]

And the person has. Somebody has to. Like, the only time it's cool is when the parachute isn't open and the person gets all tight and is like, like zoom.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. Well, there's one shot too of Gary Busey. I think one of the bad guys thought it was him. When he, before he pulls his parachute out, he corkscrews down like the. Into a cloud. Like truly a. And I was like, okay, that's cool. But that was it. It's just.

[Paul Shearer]

And like when they have to like rescue each other, they end up basically just trying to get into a, like a 69 position.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes. They're always, they're always throwing their legs over.

[Paul Shearer]

They're always doing like mid air 69. And I'm like, this is not cool looking.

[Jason Manzoukas]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Well, the other weird thing is that when people, when they, when our bad guys land and start their heists in whatever buildings, I couldn't even follow what the fuck their plan was. But whatever building they're first on to do their first when they find the undercover agents, I guess when they get in there, they land on the roof. And what I found absolutely confounding is that nobody on the ground ever seems to notice. Yes, Giant. I mean those things, Those parachutes are 20ft long.

[Jason Manzoukas]

They're parachuting into the middle of cities.

[June Diane Raphael]

So it's like nobody sees them.

[Jason Manzoukas]

So obvious.

[Paul Shearer]

It's so obvious by the way, nobody sees them. But in this move, this is A movie where nobody sees or reacts to anything. In the. In the opening of the movie, which we've discussed, Wesley Snipes and his brother are marshals. They're escorting a prisoner on a 747. And as a number of people say in the movie, there is a jailbreak on the. In the midair on a 747. And what's happening is everybody's in their seats. And then the. Whatever. The timer goes off and whatever six or eight people just start putting gas masks on and loading guns. And everybody else in the plane is like, what's that? What's going on? And then there are gunshots. And Wesley Snipes still is like, what's going on? Something's up. I feel like something's up. Nobody has. Nobody is good enough to be like, something's wrong. You know what I mean? Like, no, usually the cop or the hero is kind of has like an intuition or an understanding.

[June Diane Raphael]

The only reason why Wesley Snipes gets up is because the flight attendant tells him that, you know, that something's going on and she needs to bring it, or flirts with him. He gets up at Foster. It's really. And by the way, I do want to spend some time talking about whether. Whether Wesley Snipes and his brother are good marshals.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, this is. This is a great question.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. Because. Well, first of all, I was trying to also think, like, they do present Wesley Snipes when he is doing. In the bathroom sequence later on all these. He takes on two guys. He's got a lot of moves, hand to hand cop. He's doing all this stuff. And I'm like, don't U.S. marshals just escort people on planes? And aren't they just, like, armed security guards?

[Paul Shearer]

Well, they're sort of. I mean, I think there's a. And somebody will correct me. I don't think they are air marshals. That is, they're on airplanes just making sure everything's okay. I think they're U.S. marshals, like, putting prisoners for sure.

[June Diane Raphael]

But yes.

[Paul Shearer]

And like hunting down escaped prisoners and like. Like justified, like Rail Givens. Unjustified.

[Jason Manzoukas]

They are, but they don't seem to have any control. Michael Jeter is sitting on an aisle seat. That Michael Jeter is the escaped or the prisoner that they're trying to project from Evening Shade. That's how I remember him. And he remember, like, that's how he's so burnt into my head because I hated that show as a kid, but I just remember him on that show. But they don't seem to be.

[Paul Shearer]

And he's your classic nerd character. He's a nerd. He kidnapped the nerd so that he's a computer hacker. So. And I not enough. Was done with Michael Jeter because they keep forcing him to do skydiving, which is very funny where.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Because they need to force him to do skydiving to get him ready to parachute onto buildings so they can do the break in to steal different things. And they need him to be like, modulated. Like, he needs to be. Like he needs to be calm enough to be able to then do his.

[June Diane Raphael]

That was funny. It was so funny, though. I feel like there's easier ways to get into that building. Funniest part was like they go through the trouble of having fake uniforms, fake security uniforms on under their sky suits. It's like, well, you should just tried to get in the building.

[Paul Shearer]

Or maybe, maybe if you need it, maybe one. Maybe one incredible skydiver gets access and then lets everybody else in on the ground. Like, the idea that the entire team, including the computer hacker who is not part of the team, they just. They just stole from a prison transport. The fact that they need him, they need everybody to skydive is so funny in a way that is, like, wild. It's the same era, I feel like, was treating stuff like bungee jumping in a sense.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Like.

[Paul Shearer]

Like, I almost felt like. And now I guess it would be those squirrel suits, those. Those faces.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was presented to us as though it was like, oh, you can use a scooter, you can use your rollerblades. You can use. I guess you could walk, you could drive, take a bus or. Or you could skydive.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, I mean, the other thing is, don't they also, like, set up this moment where they meet this one guy and then he looks like he's falling off the building? Like, oh, he's got a secret parachute on.

[June Diane Raphael]

You mean Swoop Paw? Do you mean Swoop?

[Jason Manzoukas]

I'm sorry, Swoop, who won't even talk.

[Paul Shearer]

Swoop is. I fucking love Swoop.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Swoop from homicide on the street.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But like, Swoop won't talk to you unless you do a jump with him. And it's got to be a good jump. But. But when he.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's the distinction. Because he. He does do a jump with Wesley and then he still doesn't talk to him.

[Paul Shearer]

He does at the very end. At the very end, he calls him by his first name, and that is like, okay, he's in now.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't want to sound like My father, John Rayfield. But. But I couldn't tell one of these guys from the next.

[Paul Shearer]

Nope.

[June Diane Raphael]

When they presented Swoop, like, oh, look at this character, this new character. I'm like, well, I'm so sorry. He looks exactly the same as the last five that I just saw.

[Paul Shearer]

And part of the problem was that we are like, for example, let's just continue to use Point Break as the. As the thing it is. Gary Busey and Keanu Reeves are the police. They insert Keanu Reeves into the. The bad guy crew.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Right, right.

[Paul Shearer]

In this movie, Wesley Snipes needs to have his own crew of sky. So there's two different full sets of skydiving crew.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's right.

[Paul Shearer]

So what you're. You're looking at like 10, 11, sometimes 12 people in very similar looking jumpsuits

[Jason Manzoukas]

who also have no real character. It's. I mean, it's Gary Busey and it's the other woman. There's a bad woman and there's a good woman. And then there is like Swoop. And then everybody else is just like, bald guy. This guy Jagger.

[Paul Shearer]

Jagger who gets killed. Swoop. Swoop, who's got a beard. There's good looking blonde guy and there's little Frank Grillo, you know.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, it was just hard because it was also like at one point, Wesley's like really upset in that bathroom scene and has a line like, you fucked with my team. You fucked with. With you. With me. Something like that. And I was like, your team? Yeah, your team. I mean, okay, I did I miss half of the movie.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then he also doesn't really seem to skydive in that final sequel. Like, it doesn't lead up to him really being part of the team.

[Paul Shearer]

He does. You're right. Until the very end with Carrie Busey when he.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Shearer]

Because the guy gets, you know, like.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, can I ask though? Yes. How is it possible? So Gary Busey falls out. They fall together, and then Gary Busey goes shooting toward the ground. And then somehow though, goes. Travels sideways. Yeah, into a car.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Into.

[Paul Shearer]

No, into the truck that is being driven by his guy.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Which is also padded. It's a padded truck. So they did have to put like a bunch of mattresses on all sides because it is a real stunt. And I was like, oh, man, this is painful. Because they are into the side of this, like open.

[Paul Shearer]

I mean, what I think is supposed to be happening, we're meant to believe that the. All the bad guys are going to parachute into this truck and that's their getaway, their getaway. Is this truck full of mattresses. But instead Gary Busey just goes crashing through the front of it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Somehow against all physics, he turns sideways and starts to move sideways. That really, it really made me laugh.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I also had a question about, like, I want to go back to one thing in this movie and things that like, they're over complicated. Right. There's a lot of overcomplications. We talked about how the skydivers are doing this. Not mid air rescue, but like a midair prisoner escape plan. Right. They put explosives on the emergency exit door, which has a handle that would open. And in my thought process, it would cause the same thing if you were to open the emergency exit in the middle of a flight and 30,000ft, you're still gonna get the same thing to put explosives on the door.

[Paul Shearer]

My guess is always crazy, but my guess is you can't. They're trying to say like, oh, you can't open doors once it's at that height or once it's at that.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You have to blow it.

[Paul Shearer]

You have to blow it.

[June Diane Raphael]

But I agree with you, Paul. There were things about that plan that really, I couldn't stop thinking about the whole movie because it was so bizarre. They wanted it to seem like Leedy the nerd was dead. Right. That he didn't make it out and

[Paul Shearer]

that they were dead.

[June Diane Raphael]

And that they were dead, the hijackers.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Which is why he can bite off his finger. Michael Jeter's finger is bitten off, which is a really crazy moment. I was like, whoa.

[Paul Shearer]

And I knew it's a real Peter Pettigrew moment here. This is clearly the single finger absolutely stolen by J.K. rowling for Harry Potter.

[June Diane Raphael]

But I didn't understand though. Like, so, so they say, oh, we found his remains. It's like, well, no, you found a finger. Are we, are we drawing conclusions that people are dead based on one finger? And then I was confused too. So many people watch that that are alive.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

And why, and why didn't they say, cause they said the hijackers were dead, but all those people also saw them jump out of the plane.

[Paul Shearer]

Why didn't any single passenger on a full plane say, plus six people jump out.

[June Diane Raphael]

What they look like they had sky suits on, they diving suits.

[Paul Shearer]

And the only reliable person they can talk to is like an eight year old girl.

[June Diane Raphael]

By the way, one of my pet peeves in movies, and this is this, like I've seen it a bunch where they will write something for a little girl and it includes a stuffed animal and it's an Important piece of the scene. And so she has stuffed animal on the plane. And then when Wesley Snipes goes to talk to her to ask her what she saw, he brings her another stuff down.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh yeah. Which is never going to be replace the other one.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's, you can tell it's written that way in the script. But for whatever reason they cast and that's like for a 6 year old, 5 year old, maybe 7 year old, but then they cast like a 10 year old, just a little too old, you know, or an 11 year old. And you're watching this girl snuggle with the stuffed animal and it, it, I can't tell you the cringe I feel. I'm just like, oh no, you are too old to have that. And this scene where I'm supposed to feel like, oh, that's sweet. I'm asking so many questions about why you're interacting and you're in that type of dialogue with this stuff.

[Paul Shearer]

Now my question would be, and perhaps a bit of a miscalculation in terms of what a girl this age would want, but nonetheless a good thing to bring something for the girl in order to like, hopefully engender good feelings and get information that you need. But maybe, hey, maybe take your sunglasses off.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, he intimidates the hell out of me.

[Paul Shearer]

Maybe take your sunglasses off and look this girl in the eye. Make eye contact with her. Her. It's not, it doesn't feel safe to be interrogated by a sunglasses wearing guy who's giving you a stuffed animal.

[Jason Manzoukas]

As June and I have been coaches of AYSO soccer, like one of the main rules in the book is don't wear your sunglasses when you're coaching these kids. You got, they have to see your eyes. And Wesley Snipes, you know, to me is treating this girl like she's a 30 year old woman. Like there is like, he's like, yeah, here's your stuffed animal. But she, she's been traumatized. I mean, you say you got the creeps seeing the bear. I got the creeps when they just did a lingering shot of her on the gurney being wheeled into the ambulance. I'm like, we don't need to see this little girl on a gurney for this long.

[June Diane Raphael]

And by the way, I don't even want to talk. I still was confused about why they didn't just like, why didn't they go into the manifest, the passenger manifest, and find the names of it?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, they shut it down. The computer started to make it all wonky.

[Paul Shearer]

That's exactly what they were trying to do when the virus, the computer virus.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm sorry, I forgot about the computer virus.

[Paul Shearer]

This has, this movie has like act one is a blast because it is, it is this crazy plane, which I love, obviously heist that we're talking about. It's all of these kind of craziness. And then we get to one of my favorite. And I thought this was an 80s movie, but it's a little bit later. But nonetheless, I still love it. The location for where the skydivers hang out is. What is it called? Like the Sugar Shack or whatever that. It's not, it's just not just a bar. It's like a living quarters. It is like, it's a warehouse. Like all of these movies are always putting people in what look like industrial buildings as homes. And this one's got it big time. And I love all the time they spent in the airfield where they, where our crew lived. The, the mother hen of which is one of my all time favorites. Grace Zabriski. Oh, Laura. Laura Palmer's mother.

[June Diane Raphael]

So good.

[Paul Shearer]

Incredible. Incredible. In so few moments. She is so memorable and so fantastic.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, they do something in this movie where I can't remember Yancey's character's name. Joe Crossman or something. Okay. Something like that.

[Paul Shearer]

And they think Crossman is the.

[June Diane Raphael]

Definitely Crossman. Okay. So. But they do something. I know it was a genderless first name because there's that.

[Paul Shearer]

Because it's a misdirect.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, it's a misdirect.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, it was actually supposed to be a man too.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, interesting. Well, they, I feel like this was the time where that, that reveal happened all the time where you introduce a character first you're just talking about them. They get highly credentialed as this is that. And the other thing you don't want to with them and they're crazy and they're this and they're that and she know, then they know their shit and this and that. And then she comes out.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, it's Charlie from Top Gun.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Paul Shearer]

It's the, it's the model. What they're all chasing is that moment.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. And this was no exception. And also lots of times I'm, I watch the whole thing and I know where we're going and I'm still surprised.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, I, I, I always fall for it. And it's because it's like that riddle where it's like, you know, aren't I a fool?

[June Diane Raphael]

Aren't I a fool?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Is it that riddle that ends with like the, the doctor Says, I can't operate on that. That's my son.

[June Diane Raphael]

Gus did that to us. Gus did that to us. And he, like, really was so excited.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But it's like, it does feel like that at every point. Now. I will say that this part was written for a man and they obviously changed it. And that's. That's where Yancey Butler said, no, he's still got to hit me in the face. Because he was supposed to hit the man in the face when the faulty parachute's like, why would you change it? Same idea.

[Paul Shearer]

If someone dropped me out of a plane, If a woman dropped me out of a plane, I love her. Without telling me, without ever having skydived before with not even. I don't think he's even wearing a parachute. I think I would maybe punch her. And by the way, I feel comfortable being like, if someone did attempted murder to me, I would punch her.

[June Diane Raphael]

You have every right to punch her. I grant you the authority, Jason. You have every right to punish.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It was a place set of circumstances. Only now you might recognize Yancy because she was also our love interest in the Jean Claude Van Damme film Hard Target, the Louisiana film that we did in New Orleans that time where they're running around the French Quarter.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow. Well, by the way, you know who I thought she was for a long time? I mean, a long time, I thought she was Jillian Michaels, celebrity trainer.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, yeah. She has a similar look.

[June Diane Raphael]

Gone very maga. Similar look, but also similar energy and similar, like, vibe. And I was like, wow, Jillian Michaels started off as an actress. I had a whole narrative. I was like, that's great. And she's pretty good. Okay.

[Paul Shearer]

I couldn't get over how similar needlessly. So she looked to the villains woman. The woman on the villains team, I think her name is Kara.

[June Diane Raphael]

Exactly.

[Paul Shearer]

She and Yancy Butler look so similar that I was like, why would you do this? Make. Make it easy for us to tell again, who is on the good guys team? Who is on the bad guys team. Help us out. There's too many characters and a very confusing plot line. That's the other thing is we never know the bad guys plan. We don't understand what it is they're doing. It's just that they have now a hacker and they can skydive. And then they're like, okay, we're stealing drugs, we're stealing secrets, we're stealing.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Steal everything. Because everything has a roof. Everything has a roof. So they can break into anything.

[June Diane Raphael]

Anything that's got a roof, they can get.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah,

[Jason Manzoukas]

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[Paul Shearer]

Because they treat.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Like a motorcycle bar.

[Paul Shearer]

Exact. That's exactly what I was gonna say. They are a gang for no reason. For reasons that are question marks.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, they're out of their minds. I found it very troubling when they're in that bar and we know. Cause we saw it. Our gang took out one of their own. And the bell gets rung. Bell. And they all look at each other and it's like. Well, I can't remember. I think I wrote down how they phrased it. They say blue skies, black death. They say blue skies, black death.

[Paul Shearer]

Yes. What?

[June Diane Raphael]

And they ring the bell and they say. And it's treated as though.

[Paul Shearer]

And they say they'll ring the bell every hour.

[June Diane Raphael]

And the crazy thing about that moment is they all look around and it's like a very. There's like a very pregnant sort of weighted pause and honoring of this person who's passed. And it's like. Like the feeling is like, well, they have to be here. They have to do this. They have to protect us in some way. They have to be out there traveling the skies.

[Paul Shearer]

It's as if, yes, they are the military or something.

[June Diane Raphael]

You don't. You can all never do this again.

[Jason Manzoukas]

They literally are in a drop zone in Fort Lauderdale that looks like a family vacation spot. They are in the. Like, there's a scene. Nobody knows I've done the thing and where you get into the tube and you put on the suit and you're in there and there's footage of it that's embarrassing. It's hard. It is hard.

[Paul Shearer]

Are you willing to say that you'll post that footage?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Sure, I would. You know what?

[Paul Shearer]

You should post that footage at some point when we're raising money for something.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Use it as a goal.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's behind the paywall type of footage.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Okay. Okay.

[Paul Shearer]

Wait. Do we have a paywall?

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know. But if we did, we should put that.

[Paul Shearer]

We're going to make a paywall for that video only.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And by the way, it's not even that. It's just me not being able to fully. Like, I felt the frustration of the instructor being like, why aren't you getting this? And I.

[June Diane Raphael]

Because I think that you have to engage your core and kind of what. That's what I imagined.

[Jason Manzoukas]

All I'm going to say is when I saw Wesley Snipes have a hard time with it, I was like, got it. Got it.

[Paul Shearer]

Well, it's interesting because they are that all of that stuff before, obviously Washington, D.C. happens. Everything else is in Florida. I believe they are. And it is. It is very Florida coated, which I really enjoyed because that's what feels trashy about it in. In the best possible way. Because I just want to be very clear. Florida is trash. So for me, what I really needed in this movie, and I'm absolutely mind scrambled that I need to ask for it. I needed one scene of exposition where Gary Busey is like, I worked for the dea. I got fired or what, have dishonorably discharged, whatever it is, is. And I'm assembling a group of skydivers to do crimes. And so that these guys are like, okay, I'm in. I needed to see him assemble his team.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But why? Like, I mean, that's the question.

[Paul Shearer]

Because it would have helped me understand what the fuck?

[June Diane Raphael]

No, he's asking why. He's asking, why does Gary Busey want to do this? Why did he turn on his own government?

[Paul Shearer]

Why?

[Jason Manzoukas]

I'm asking.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, that's easy to answer. He's Busey, baby.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's a classic Busey. Okay, got it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But here's the thing. I don't mind that this is a guy who worked for the DEA and that he turned on his people. That's fine. What I am confused about is, was he the person who's like, skydiving? Because it's like that's the bridge too far. That to me has so many more questions. It's like. And the idea is that we know that Michael Jeter is a very capable computer hacker. He's been hidden from the government for a long time. Oh, I have a question about this.

[Paul Shearer]

No, he's not hidden from the government. The government is hiding him from the bad guys who try to kill him. But inexplicably, the government is hiding him by putting him in the general population of a gigantic prison that is not hidden.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And also letting him like, feed cats. He was the most aggressive person out there. And why did that hawk. Why do we have a clown of a hawk?

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, my God. Thank you.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I thought he was like a controller of animals.

[June Diane Raphael]

I did too.

[Paul Shearer]

They kept cutting back to that hawk, as if the hawk was going to be somehow instrumental in killing him, saving him, doing something. And I think it's just there to establish for us. In this movie, things will fly.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay. So I thought for sure, once I realized what the movie was about, I was like. Cause I also was like, he has some special connection to animals. And I can't quite figure out what it is. Is they seem to be helping him. And then. And then Once he became clear he's very scared of. Of being out there flying, I thought, oh, his relationship and dialogue with animals or birds is going to help him.

[Paul Shearer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

In.

[Jason Manzoukas]

In.

[June Diane Raphael]

In a skydiving type of scenario that never, never came back.

[Jason Manzoukas]

No, not at all.

[Paul Shearer]

You know what I loved about Busey in the first heist? The first heist where they go and they steal the information about the undercover agents. That one, they get in there and everybody immediately starts going to do their job. The guy goes to do the computer hacking. This one's going to do that. This one's going to do that. Busey keeps. It's clearly Busey just riffing. He keeps going around to everybody and asking them if there's anything he can do to help.

[June Diane Raphael]

I didn't notice that.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Can I help with anything?

[Paul Shearer]

You're making me nervous. Would you just get away?

[Jason Manzoukas]

What can I do to help you?

[Paul Shearer]

Shh. You let me know. You let me know if there's anything I can do to help. And you can see almost on the actors faces, they're like, how do I respond to this? I don't need help. I'm hacking. You know what I mean?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Or whatever that, that this is why this movie. This movie has a lot of like to me and you know, I haven't. I've read John Badham's book. I like John Badham, but I feel like, oh, John Baden's book is great. Just about directing. Before directing anything, my first time I ever directed anything, I read that book and it really helped me. But the way that this movie feels is like they were running roughshod all over him. Because it's also the way Wesley Snipes fights is comical. Like when he goes to the bathroom when they're beating up. Swoop in the bathroom and Wesley Snipes is ready to throw down with hard karate. But it's like, it's right at the cusp of before fight scenes got really good. And it's like. It's like he's just like, bam, bam. Like he's just doing like. And I do think that I like that he's always kicking one person to the left, giving them a chance to recover and then going after the other guy and then getting back. Like he's getting business done. He's knocking it off.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do think we kind of needed those sequences. And end the one with the two. With Yancy and whoever that other woman was.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, the copy machine.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh my God, I love it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Copy machine was so great. And it was. I laughed so hard when the Other taller woman was sort of up against the wall. And it. She seemed like she was just taking a second. I guess I didn't seem like she was mortally harmed at that point. And then Yancey took the photocopy machine and it doesn't move that fast.

[Jason Manzoukas]

No.

[June Diane Raphael]

And you could tell that thing is heavy.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

And by the way, also, where was it plugged in? And she just runs with it and rams it into her. And that kills her.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, she smashes her face through it. Through the glass in the photocopier too.

[Paul Shearer]

Right.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Because she.

[Paul Shearer]

The glass only kind of breaks. I don't think.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I thought it was like a smash.

[Paul Shearer]

I don't think so, because she's. Then it still works, right?

[June Diane Raphael]

The machine still works.

[Paul Shearer]

I mean, listen, it's a very well built machine. I will say this because they don't

[June Diane Raphael]

build them like that anymore.

[Paul Shearer]

They really don't. Because after all that damage, it still does. Flawless cost.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It was a lot of it.

[Paul Shearer]

Coalates all those copies.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, God, I laughed so hard when those papers came out. But what I was gonna say is, like, you need sequences like that because the other moments that are supposed to be really thrilling and engaging, which happen in the sky, are parachutes kind of getting caught in things.

[Paul Shearer]

Kind of.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, kind of like the strings getting caught when he. Even when he goes into the electrical wire. To be quite honest, I couldn't really understand what was happening up. I couldn't understand how Gary Busey got

[Paul Shearer]

him and pushed him and was controlling him.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's a mix and match of real stuff and fake stuff, like on a set, like where. And so they have to make these weird jump cuts where you have to kind of miss about 15 to 20 seconds of important, like, action connection where you're like, okay. Cause we can't really crash a human being into these electrical wires, but we can get a guy close enough to them in a long shot, and then we have to cut to something that just is exploding. And by the way, it's just hard.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cause ultimately the action is just seeing

[Jason Manzoukas]

somebody. Tangled.

[Paul Shearer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Somebody tangled.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, no. Oh, no. They're tangled.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes. It's like Tangled is cumbersome. It's like. It's like.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's just hard.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's like getting someone stuck by putting on a sweater. It feels like. No, I know. Their head's in there. They just gotta get out.

[Paul Shearer]

Are we jaded because we've seen, like, Tom Cruise defy the Impossible in Mission Impossible movies.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Jason. We saw the Impossible three years earlier in Point Break. That's the Other thing, you can't do a skydive movie and go backwards. You can't be like, yeah, remember what set the standard for skydiving? And by the way, this movie's also in direct competition with another movie coming out called Terminal Velocity, which is a Charlie Sheen movie. So they're having this kind of race to the finish line.

[Paul Shearer]

Wait, is that also skydiving?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes, it is. A maverick skydiver and a former KGB agent team up to stop the Russian mafia from stealing gold. Starring Charlie Sheen, Natasha Kinski, and James Gandolfini. I've watched this many times, and I would love to do it. I would love to do it on this show.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, I feel like I've seen that movie.

[Paul Shearer]

That sounds great also, by the way, maybe it's. Maybe it's a skydive summer. Let's spend. Guys, guys, do you want to spend the summer mid air with me?

[Jason Manzoukas]

I would love to get to more. More skydiving movies. There's a lot out there.

[Paul Shearer]

I mean, especially from this era where somehow it was decided that this is cool, this is exciting, this is dangerous, this is. Whoa. This, you know, this era of, like, you know, skydiving and, you know, like, it is cliffhanger, you know, rock climbing. You know, I think, like, if we.

[Jason Manzoukas]

If we open it up to, like, things like that, like, extreme summer, we could probably find a lot of, like.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's interesting. Well, honestly, it did make me wonder and ask some questions about skydiving, because I was like, well, it. It seems like you can, in the movie, sort of travel around up there like it's a freeway, like, oh, I want to get over there. So I'm just going to go to the left. Not with your parachute open. Just as a person flying through the air. Like, you could maneuver through the sky like you would in a car or a bicycle or just walking. And I don't know. Is that true? I. If I see Paul struggling with his parachute, can I just.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah, I think. I mean, I think I just get over there. I think an expert. I think it's very difficult, but I think an expert could get close enough to you to help or to. Only at a certain height.

[June Diane Raphael]

Below a certain height.

[Paul Shearer]

I think you're. It's just rip.

[Jason Manzoukas]

We're gonna have. We're gonna. We're gonna have a lot of skydivers calling, but I believe.

[Paul Shearer]

I believe would be terminal void velocity. You're just. You're. You're going too fast. You're going to die. You're going to hit.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I think I think the idea is this. Like in all these movies, something goes wrong and someone's got to save them. Although Yansy does let the. She does have that. That switch where she drops an inexperienced man out of a plane and then scoops him up. But she waits. They're like, I'll give it a couple minutes.

[Paul Shearer]

She's also like, meant to be one of the best there ever was, you know, Cuz Wesley Snipes is basically like, hey, they. This was an inside job. Somebody kidnapped this guy and jumped out. And people are like, jumped out of a 747 at 36,000ft. That's impossible. Nobody would do that. So the FBI and everybody are like, your brother did it. So part of this is Wesley Snipes trying to clear his brother's name, even though there's so little.

[June Diane Raphael]

And that does also seem to be let go of at some point.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes. Jason, before we go too much further, I do just need to tell you, you. Because I know I'm going to get this on the mini episodes. Terminal velocity is the maximum constant speed of free falling. When an object reaches the downward pull of gravity equal to the upward push of air. So that is actually the moment where you don't have to pull your pack. Because that's the kind of moment that's

[Paul Shearer]

where you can just exist. Exist and float. Yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes. And so that. So I just. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, I just wanted to. That's interesting. I just wanted to go back to everyone blaming Malcolm, Jamal Wagner for, by the way, Rip.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Rip. And I gotta tell you, Malcolm Jamal Warner, very big part of my life. Because I wouldn't have gone to NYU without his character, Theo Huxtable going to nyu.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was the only school he applied to. And it was only because Theo Huxtable went there.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And when I went to go see a live taping of the Cosby Show, I raised my hand and asked him a question.

[Paul Shearer]

Did he ask about NYU or no?

[Jason Manzoukas]

I said, do you really play basketball?

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, that's so great.

[Paul Shearer]

It's so cool to me.

[June Diane Raphael]

What did he say?

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Shearer]

It's so cool to me that the Cosby show is so important to you in your life.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It was. It was. I think what it was that Cosby

[Paul Shearer]

is so woven into the fabric.

[Jason Manzoukas]

They gotta get this guy out. We gotta get this guy out. Well, he's out. I guess he is out.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. I mean, mean, it just kills me that Malcolm died the anyway in a heartbreaking.

[Paul Shearer]

I mean just a devastating.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And from everybody that I've heard from is just one of The. The nicest, sweetest men, best guys, sweetest men.

[June Diane Raphael]

And it's just a good reminder, when you are in a riptide, just don't try to swim parallel. Shore. Swim parallel.

[Paul Shearer]

I got caught in a riptide in Mexico and genuinely had to be rescued. Did you notice?

[June Diane Raphael]

Swim parallel.

[Paul Shearer]

I started to drown. I did know, but the rip tide was so wide that I kept going and then trying to get in. Going and trying to get in. I knew to swim parallel, but it was so long that I exhausted myself trying to swim parallel and get in. And then I had to. I started screaming for help and thank God, was rescued, but genuinely started to swallow. Started to swallow. Seawater was active.

[Jason Manzoukas]

How old were you?

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, 36.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, wow.

[Paul Shearer]

I mean, let me, by the way,

[Jason Manzoukas]

more scary because it's like you. You have all your faculties.

[Paul Shearer]

I knew what was happening. I was like, I'm now starting to drown because I'm unable to stop taking water in every couple of breaths. So I'm now swallowing seawater every two breaths, which is the beginning of drowning. This is crazy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, God, Jason.

[Paul Shearer]

And then I had. For years. I had that dream of that experience every night.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, my God. That is so. I'm having anxiety just hearing.

[June Diane Raphael]

Me too. Me too.

[Paul Shearer]

No, I don't fuck on water. I don't fuck with the water.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't really either. And I was caught in a couple of really, really rough waves when I was like a teenager. Like, I'm talking post hurricanes in New York in June, you know, over the summer, where it's like you'd go out and be. Be excited for 12 foot.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah. For like a rough surf. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was, like, thrilled to find out about big waves. And then I. And then I had a couple bad experiences. Anyway, I will say that one of

[Jason Manzoukas]

my favorite moments was. I mean, not favorite, but one of the funniest moments is I was out in the. In the water with my. My children, June's children as well. And when we were. When I was swimming with them, they got hit with a rough wave and it just ripped the. The bathing suit off. My youngest just. It. It was such a. A moment of like, what. What happened? That's the power of waves that could rip your.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, my God. Right? I feel like some of the very. One of the very, very first times I saw boobs was on the beach when somebody was body surfing the big waves and a woman in a bikini hit the. The wave took her all the way into the shore, so her bathing suit got knocked down. And so when she Stood up. She didn't know, and her boobs were out. And I was like, what is happening?

[June Diane Raphael]

That's. That's honestly what happened. That's what happened to me. With one of the bad waves I hit. I was taken in so far.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I went in like a bullet. Like, people are traveling through the sky like bullets. That's what I was doing. Like a bullet so fast onto the shore. I was knocking into moms and toddlers who were standing there. I was like, going through legs. Those people were taken. And I ended up on the shore with my bathing suit completely twisted around me. Seaweed. I mean, it was like. It was a sight. Anyway, I was starting to say this before, but why did Malcolm. Jamal Warner's character, Pete, I think, or no, was his name, says Pete, whoever he is. Why did he take so much heat for what happened? It seemed that he was blamed more than the hostage, more than the hijackers.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And when they call that out, out, he goes, look, man, they're just trying to blame someone for this plane crash. It's like, yeah, what about the terrorists who put the bomb on the door? There is forensic evidence that shows there was a bomb on the door.

[Paul Shearer]

I agree. I think what they were trying to say maybe was that he was in. He was an accomplice and that he had fired a gun on the plane.

[June Diane Raphael]

I missed that. Okay, so they thought he was working with them.

[Paul Shearer]

They thought maybe he was. You know, I don't think that, you know, like, that. Again, again, this entire plot line goes away. You know what I mean? Like, we don't get any further into it. But I felt like part of what they were saying was about the fact that he. People on the plane saw him opening fire, you know, and that was he part of the problem? I don't know.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Even though there were five people in full skydiving outfits and someone also got their finger eaten off. Oh, my God. Like, it seems like only two people flew out the door. One of them being Malcolm Jamal Warner, and then another ranch.

[Paul Shearer]

Well, why wouldn't you say, like, okay, we found. What's his name, the nerd's finger, so we can identify it, but they're instantly like, he's dead. Nobody is. Like, it has bite marks on it. It looks partially chewed.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Nah, they're not gonna go that deep. They have no time.

[Paul Shearer]

Very weird.

[Jason Manzoukas]

We talked a lot about the acting in this movie. And I wanna call one actor in particular for just, you know, they always say there's no small parts, small actors. Right. And, you know, you can make a big difference in a small part. I don't know if you guys recognize this, but I rewound it twice because I found it to be so enjoyable when our good guy gets caught in a parachute malfunction and is seemingly fine.

[Paul Shearer]

Wait, Wesley Snipes? Which good guy?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, Swoop's friend. Who. Because Swoop goes and rescues him.

[Paul Shearer]

Grace Zabreeski's son.

[June Diane Raphael]

Young guy.

[Paul Shearer]

The young guy who gets hurt.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Okay. Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

When the young guy gets hurt, they're in the back of the ambulance, and the. You know, the two other skydivers are there, and they're trying to take care of their friend. And the. And the EMT is like. He goes, no one rides in the back.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah, no one.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And he yells at them like their friend is dying. And they're like, we just. We're family. He's like, no. One ride. He hits it twice. And it was for no reason. No reason to be that angry.

[Paul Shearer]

And then the kid comes to kind of consciousness and is like, you guys go. You have a jump to do.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Shearer]

What? You have just been, like, dead. We just saw you die.

[June Diane Raphael]

You didn't have a heart.

[Paul Shearer]

We're not jumping.

[June Diane Raphael]

What are you talking, by the way? Can I ask you something? I would expect Jess to know cpr.

[Paul Shearer]

All of them.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know why they didn't. Nobody did a chest compression.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Nope.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now, I know this was like, you know, we don't do mouth to mouth anymore. We just do this. But. Right. This was the time of mouth to mouth. But, like. Like, not there. It was never only mouth to mouth.

[Paul Shearer]

The other thing was there. There was an ambulance on site. So. So cool. So they. And you saw the. You saw the organizers be like, send the medic. Send the medic. But, like, the people who are in the air with parachutes make it to the ground first, extricate themselves from their parachutes, get into the water to rescue this kid. I can't remember his name, and start doing like, they are there. So, so, so much faster than the emergency medical responders that I was like, this is not a good look for the organizers of this event.

[Jason Manzoukas]

No, no. First of all, the organizer of that event with his. He's, like, wearing an, like. He's like a leisure suit Larry character.

[Paul Shearer]

His.

[Jason Manzoukas]

His. His flight suit is like. Like, unzipped down the middle. It is a. It is a very bizarre look, and I love it. And I loved everything about the guy, and I know that that guy is real. I know that that guy has to be a real dude. Like, he's like, I got you. Consult it. On that movie, I felt like all

[Paul Shearer]

of the Skydiver, because there's obviously, there's a ton of skydiving in the movie. Real actual skydiving with both a 9 point star and a 24 point star. Just so everybody knows and understands what we're talking about.

[June Diane Raphael]

Jason.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Please do something. The 24 point star was cool and 9 point star was cool. But is that all. What other. What other tricks?

[Paul Shearer]

That's it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, it.

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, and you mentioned the lights.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. Can we do anything else with our bodies up there?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Nothing.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, you have to remember any other shapes.

[Paul Shearer]

Well, here's the thing. I think you have to remember they're making shapes that are meant to be seen from the ground.

[June Diane Raphael]

Right. But why not get us so many people up there that we're doing the American Flag?

[Paul Shearer]

Oh, by the way, I love that. But I think we are year in 1994 before. I think we're years away from that being possible.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean,

[Paul Shearer]

and I mean that like. Like, I feel like that's some shit that they would do now that, like, would be on a Red Bull channel, you know, where it's like they launched 300 people into low orbit to do the American Flag.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You know what? Obviously there's so many things to cover here, but let's also give a voice to the people who absolutely love this film. It is now time for second opinions.

[Paul Shearer]

Paul and Jason and June talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not, but everyone knows they're actually full of sheen. We need a second opinion. Someone that knows what they're talking about. We need a second opinion.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Young.

[Paul Shearer]

We need a second. Oh, give me a second.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, we need a second opinion. Thank you, Wolves of Glendale. Now, there are 246 total reviews. Not a lot that, you know, in the grand scheme of doing the show, that's a low number. 69. Yeah. Percent are five star reviews. 69% are five star review. And this is the one that really sticks out to me. And it's a visual, so please picture it. It's a picture of Yancey bedside with Wesley Snipes when he's, like, in the gurney. And it says the title is End Scene. Pete and Jesse. And this is from 2026. I say, at the end of the 1994 movie, Pete was on the stretcher and Jesse came over and took care of and he got grown closer together. Five stars. So this is just a person that just wanted to show you that he Felt at the end of the movie, our two characters who didn't like each other grew closer together.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, I don't remember them not liking each other.

[Jason Manzoukas]

They seem to be friends from the very.

[Paul Shearer]

Yeah, she was. Well, she was mistrustful of him because he's a cop and she is on parole, you know, so she thinks he's out to get her, but. No, but. Yeah. Then very quickly, they are. They're buds. They're working together.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I just love that this person wrote a review just like, he liked that there was a happy ending for Wesley Snipes. Bailey writes great overlooked film. I got this movie eons ago on vhs, and I was happy to get it on dvd. This is a fascinating look at the subculture of skydivers. I'm not into skydiving myself, being one of the why jump out of a perfectly good airplane kind of people, but it's a good thriller with some humor and some interesting characters. It even has fight scenes that I don't find tedious. Tedious. Five stars. Doesn't find those tedious.

[June Diane Raphael]

I didn't find them tedious either, actually. Like, I want to say this. They're quick. And they will say this for the movie. God damn it. Again, I don't know if I'm okay. I'm not okay. But it didn't. I didn't find this movie to be hard to watch.

[Jason Manzoukas]

No, it was pretty easy.

[Paul Shearer]

Not at all.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I will say that I watched it under difficult circumstances. Like, I had to break it up.

[Paul Shearer]

Up.

[June Diane Raphael]

I realized today, like, oh, shit. I had to go do two different things across town. And so I was like, I'm not gonna have time to drive and watch this. So I watched this in no Waymo by myself.

[Paul Shearer]

Wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. Crosstown one way, crosstown the other.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Actually, the best way to watch it. No Waymo. I mean, I think you're moving, too. Yeah, it's not bad. This one we got from Letterbox, which. Which I just like it because it's sincere. From Commander Blossom. I watched this cool movie back in 2020 with my dad, who has now passed away. Five stars.

[Paul Shearer]

That's it. Okay, that's it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's it. A lot of odd ones in here.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's just statements, really.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Just statements. Just statements. And I'll end with Jeff Burnham, who says at the tail end of one scene, Wesley Snipes pantomime shaking an aquatic creature out of his pant leg onto the floorboard of his car. Stomping it to the death is a very strange thing to see a man do in the front seat of a pristine 1965 Ford Mustang. Yet I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought if I saw a guy do the same thing on the Chicago Public Transit. Five stars.

[Paul Shearer]

What body of water is he coming out of? I don't know.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But again, all I'm saying is that these reviews are all.

[Paul Shearer]

I guarantee if we did a little bit of forensic research. Gary Busey wrote all of these interviews.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was going to say all of these reviews. Somehow this is. Feels like it's all from one person.

[Paul Shearer]

These are classic Lucy Buseys.

[Jason Manzoukas]

The other thing I want to just point out is this screenplay was written by the same person who wrote High School Musical.

[June Diane Raphael]

Great. Perfect.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And this is a quote that I needed to share with you both. I don't know if you knew this, but the music was done by Hans Zimmer.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah. Yes, I saw that.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And people have said that this part of the score sounds identical to the Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Paul Shearer]

In which he also did.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Which he also did. I mean, listen to it. And Zimmer was once talking about the film and he said, this Drop Zone was written just for fun. I was being reckless. Nothing to prove, nothing to lose. The director was just happy I was working with him. Remember, I come from rock and roll. At the same time, I grew up with classical music. So I'm torn between the Drop Zone, I could do both. It never hurt. You know, with some scores, you come away with a lot of scars. And Drop Zone, there weren't any. It was just a blast.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know what?

[Paul Shearer]

Great. I agree. I agree. Zimmer. And here. And we'll drop it in here. But when we. When I started the movie, yeah, I knew I was in for a good time because there's like sunset, you know, whatever, B roll. And there's that 80s 90s era electric guitar that just kind of like weaves its way through. And I was like, we're gonna have fun. This is gonna be good.

[June Diane Raphael]

We did. And we did. Ultimately, we did.

[Paul Shearer]

I would have loved it just a little bit more with a little bit more understanding what the fuck was going on. Otherwise, boy, was everybody doing their best to have a good time.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yep.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And, you know, if you want to not just hear us talk about the movie, but you wanna ride the movie, you can still do that. Paramount Parks, now owned by Cedar, there do have a ride based on the movie. It was called Drop Zone Stunt Tower. Now it is called Drop Tower Scream Zone. But it is the ride that was made for the movie and it still exists. And there was a sequel made by the stuntman. The skydiving coordinator for this film called Cutaway with stars Stephen Baldwin. Boy, by the way, made its money back. Made over $64 million.

[Paul Shearer]

I bet this, I bet this movie is huge in skydiving circles by both nine points and 24 point circles.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Any final thoughts? I know we have to wrap it up.

[Paul Shearer]

Loved it. I loved it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Loved it.

[Paul Shearer]

I thought it was great. Let's fucking. Let's do more. Lucy Beussey. Lucy Busey. The buse is loose.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's our show. Thank you so much for being Tandem Skydive partners with us today. Now we have some big news. June is starring in the brand new Nick Kroll animated series called Mating Season. Jason Manzoukas is in it as well. It is on Netflix right now. And if you watch that and you want to watch something else, you can also check out Black Monday, which just came to the service just a couple of weeks ago. Plus, how did this get made? Is coming back to Largo in early June. And then this summer we'll be doing a lot more live shows. So if you have not signed up for our mailing list, make sure that you do. But if you just need to see me and Jason, come out and see a dinosaur show. June 26th, we'll be doing a show in LA. We will also be in New York on the 12th and the 13th. And for all of you who are giant fans of the Dumpster episode of the Chris Gethard show on the night of the 11th, Jason, Chris Gethard and I are going to do a one night only show of the Dumpster show. What will it be? You ought to come. You got to go check it out. The Del Close marathon. Also Del Close marathon. We're going to be doing match game 76 on Saturday night. You can come see see amazing shows all weekend. It's going to be a blast. New York, we'll see you there in June. Just head over to ucbtny.com you can figure it out. Or just go to my website if you've not checked out the brand new trailer for Elle. What are you doing? The first teaser trailer has dropped for June's new show which is coming out in this July. And I want to tell you you get a choice here because if you want to follow through on us doing an extreme sports summer, well then send us some recommendations for adrenaline junkie movies on our Discord at Discord GG hdtgm. You can also submit corrections and omissions for this episode on our Discord and leave us a message on our new voicemail [e-mail] hdtgm you could just do it from your computer. It's great. No more phone, no more costs, anywhere around the world, you know, wherever you are. Speakpipe.com hdtgm we will pick the very best messages to respond respond to on next week's Last Looks episode. Remember, people, if you are listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please subscribe to our feed. That's very important. It's a very big metric in this world of podcasting. All you got to do is hit a button. I'm not asking for anything more than that. And it helps us and we really appreciate it a lot. And lastly, I have to give a huge thank you to our behind the scenes team. I'm talking about our producers, Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, our engineer Casey Holford and our social media manager, Zoe Applebach. And we will forever be grateful to the one and only Avril Halley. That's all I got, people. See you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.

[June Diane Raphael]

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