Friday the 13th Part VII: Jason Takes Manhattan

Summary

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How Did This Get Made? – “Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan”

Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
Release Date: October 17, 2025
Main Theme:
The comedy trio dives into the infamous 1989 slasher sequel “Jason Takes Manhattan,” dissecting its nonsensical plot, bizarre tone, inconsistent mythology, and the peak of late-’80s cinematic cheese. Sharing personal horror histories, debating the rules and logic of the franchise, and roasting every baffling filmmaking decision, the hosts ask: How did this get made?

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Episode Overview

“Jason Takes Manhattan”—the eighth entry in the “Friday the 13th” franchise—lures listeners and hosts onto a murder-laden “grad cruise” from New Jersey to New York City (sort of). Paul, June, and Jason gleefully tear apart the movie’s confusing mythology, pointless detours, its misleading title, and the unintentional comedy of a “horror” icon struggling to make sense as he chases bland high schoolers into the “mean streets” of Vancouver-as-NYC.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Opening Impressions, Jason’s NYC, and 80s Movie Tropes

• The New York That Wasn’t:
  • The hosts open by lamenting that despite the title, most of the film isn’t set in New York. The “opening sequence is the dirty alleys, the trash cans full of water, and just an establishing shot on a rat”—a grimy, cartoonish NYC (02:22–02:41).
  • Laughing at the stereotypical shots: “They were like, we got a real rat, keep rolling.”
    (Paul, 02:22)
• Origins of ‘Takes Manhattan’ Titles:
  • June wonders if the “Takes Manhattan” framework started with this film or “The Muppets Take Manhattan.”
    “It can’t be the Muppets... This movie can’t be referencing the Muppets.”—June (04:38)
  • Paul insists it does: “I looked it up... there’s no other Take Manhattan.” (04:48)

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2. Friday the 13th Lore & The Inconsistent Rules of Jason

• Attempting to Untangle the Mythology:
  • June: “What are Jason’s rules?” (07:26)
  • Paul recounts the erratic continuity—Jason’s mom as the original killer, “sackhead” Jason, the late arrival of the hockey mask (not until Part III), and the supernatural resurrection by lightning that turned him into a “super strong zombie.” (06:43–12:20)
• Freddy vs Jason vs Michael Myers:
  • Jason points out why Freddy Krueger’s rules feel clear but Jason makes no sense. “I don’t understand why he’s targeting all these people.” (07:40)
  • They reminisce about other slasher icons—Myers being “way more scary” and “great mythology.” (07:03)

Memorable Quote:

“The mythology here is really busted. Friday the 13th is great because it has a clear idea of who it is... Mike Myers, too.”
—Paul Scheer (07:53)

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3. The Cruise Ship Setting & Logistical Insanity

• Ridiculous Vessel:
  • “It looks like a ferry, would be transporting sardines... Why does it have a beautiful sauna?”—June (13:04–13:09)
  • Baffled by the ship’s disco, gym, luxurious cabins, and an endless maze of industrial rooms.
• Journey to Manhattan:
  • Frustration that after “an hour we hadn’t gotten to New York yet... I was starting to get angry.” (14:07)
  • Most of the movie is set on the boat, with the “least amount of nudity” of any film in the franchise, despite its R rating.
  • “It is the longest runtime of any Friday the 13th film...with the least amount of nudity.” —Paul (14:12)
• Unclear Geography:
  • The group grapples with the franchise’s geography: “How would you get from Crystal Lake to the Atlantic...?” (15:01)
  • Crystal Lake is revealed to be in New Jersey, much to June’s dismay—“Fucking hell, of course it’s in New Jersey.” (15:21)

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4. Water Safety, Swimming, and Jason’s Logic

• Jason as a Waterlogged, Teleporting Zombie:
  • The hosts fixate on the absurdity that Jason apparently cannot swim (his origin tragedy), yet now operates as an unstoppable aquatic force—maybe even walking along the ocean floor. (26:44)
  • “He is always waterlogged.”—June (11:03)
  • “He looks so moist.”—Jason (11:06)
• Drowning and Parental Negligence:
  • Jason’s mother’s vengeance is contextualized as a result of “sending your child to camp without them being water safe.” (21:31)
  • “If you do start to struggle, I could come out...”—June (42:13), riffing on water safety and lifeguard tips.

Notable Exchange (about Jason’s supernatural skills)

“He must be executing it like a gymnast...not complaining...he’s not completely right.”
—June Diane Raphael (31:13)

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5. Character & Slasher Movie Logic

• Inconsistent Character Arcs:
  • The hosts become increasingly perplexed by unclear relationships and motivations (e.g., “Is his niece or was he adopted?”, “Why does the uncle/principal hate these kids so much?”). (20:52–21:02; 48:51)
  • June: “Strangest is, she’s at one point looking right at him… All she has to do is not take her eyes off of him...then he evaporates and is suddenly just right there.” (27:43)
• Victims’ Inertia:
  • They riff on how, compared to men, “the women all stand there or crouch...and just wait and scream...often they don’t even scream, really.” (65:31–65:54)
• Telegraphed/Strange Kills:
  • The hosts lament the lack of fun with Jason’s kills in this movie, calling them “like someone doing chores.” (29:00)
  • “At one point, he just tosses the guy off the side of the boat.” (29:14)
  • The standout head-punch decapitation: “Why hasn’t this been happening all the time?”—June (46:19)

Memorable Moment:

“The kills are not fun. They seem like someone doing chores. It’s like Jason, can you take out the trash? Okay, Mom.”
—Paul Scheer (29:00)

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6. ‘Jason in Manhattan’—Broken Promises & Vancouver Streets

• The Disappointing City Shift:
  • The much-teased city setting amounts to a few minutes of genuine NYC footage (mainly Times Square shots) and a stretch of Vancouver pretending to be “mean streets.”
  • “I loved all the shots of 1980s Times Square in New York. I wish this movie had taken place in Manhattan and brought us all over the island.” —June (55:00)
  • “They realized they couldn’t afford to shoot in Manhattan and then just placed it on a boat.” —Jason (55:35)
• Classic New York Moment:
  • Fans and hosts delight at Jason kicking a punk’s boombox in Times Square, met with a perfectly deadpan “Welcome to New York” from a diner waitress. (55:35)
• Script Oddities:
  • The writers' grand plans: “He wrote a movie set in New York with scenes in Madison Square Garden, the Brooklyn Bridge...but the budget was $5 million.” —Paul (56:07)

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7. Bizarre Details, Production Notes, and Culture Gags

• High Schoolers in Their 30s; 80s Hair:
  • “I think the people that seemed like strangers were obviously 36-year-old high school students.” —June (32:36)
  • The group discusses “wet, hard, scrunched curl” 80s hair and the evolution of hair care products for curly hair. (33:25)
• Dog Dilemma:
  • Kane Hodder (Jason) refused to kill a dog on-screen: “He said, no, it's too mean.” (45:05)
• Jason as Antihero?:
  • After he interrupts a rape, June quips, “So he’s kind of an antihero. Tony Soprano, Jason Voorhees, Walter White.” (31:33)
• On Jason’s Acting:
  • Kane Hodder's vomiting scene was improvised—he “figured out how much water...needed to drink to vomit on cue.” (58:51)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Quote | Speaker | Timestamp | |-------|---------|-----------| | “It looks like a ferry…Why does it have a beautiful sauna?” | June Diane Raphael | 13:09 | | “He looks so moist.” | Jason Mantzoukas | 11:06 | | “It is the longest runtime...with the least amount of nudity.” | Paul Scheer | 14:12 | | “The kills are not fun…like someone doing chores.” | Paul Scheer | 29:00 | | “He must be executing [the boat] like a gymnast…he’s not complaining.” | June Diane Raphael | 31:13 | | “So he’s kind of an antihero. Tony Soprano, Jason Voorhees, Walter White.” | June Diane Raphael | 31:33 | | “Why hasn’t this [head punch] been happening all the time?” | June Diane Raphael | 46:19 | | “I wish this movie had taken place in Manhattan and had brought us all over the island…” | June Diane Raphael | 55:00 |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:12–07:40: Opening banter, NYC setting, “Takes Manhattan” framework, initial franchise context.
• 07:26–13:35: Jason mythos, franchise history, the shifting “rules,” introduction of the cruise ship.
• 14:07–21:21: Discussion of the wild logistics of the boat, lack of Manhattan, geography of Camp Crystal Lake, water safety.
• 27:43–31:13: Teleporting Jason, confusing action sequences, lamenting the lack of logic in kills.
• 40:12–48:50: Memorable deaths, notably the boxing head punch, and discussions around character behaviors, 80s bodies, and boat amenities.
• 53:05–56:41: The (very brief) New York sequence, production constraints, and script changes due to budget.
• 58:51–62:10: Kane Hodder’s performance and vomiting feat, mask-off Jason, and the ending’s failed attempt at sentimentality.
• 66:22–67:42: Listener “second opinions” on the film from Amazon reviews.

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Final Thoughts

• The hosts universally agree:
  • The movie is a chaotic, missed opportunity—more boat than Manhattan, more confusion than chills, more unintentional comedy than menace.
  • June and Jason lament the “unfun” kills and wasted city setting, but praise the movie as a camp artifact.
  • Paul commends Kane Hodder (Jason) for measured physical acting in a role that gives him little else.
• The episode is packed with the trio’s signature goofs, heartfelt confusion, culture nostalgia, and their ability to wring joy from even the worst of horror cinema.

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For further discussion:
Join the HDTGM Discord or tune in to “Last Looks” for more about the Jason lore and fan feedback.

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Transcript

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[Paul Scheer]

Replace takes with casually sales two and you have a more apt description of this film. We saw Friday the 13th Part 8 Jason takes Manhattan.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now it's time for.

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[June Diane Raphael]

Perhaps we'll find the answer to the.

[Paul Scheer]

Question how did this get Made? Hello people of Earth, and welcome to how did this Get Made? The year is 1989 and Jason Voorhees is accidentally awakened from his watery grave and ends up stalking a ship full of graduating high school students headed to Manhattan. And the final scenes of this film are shot there as well as the opening. But there is so much that happens along the way. We're gonna break it all down for you right now. Please welcome my co hosts, Jason Mantzoukas and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both?

[June Diane Raphael]

Ugh. I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I've never seen this and I loved this New York. I just wish we'd spent more time there.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, this film really sets the tone of a New York movie. I mean the opening sequence is the dirty alleys, the trash cans full of water, and just an Estab publishing shot on a rat that I feel like lasted for 30 seconds. Like they were like, we got a real rat. We got a real rat. Keep rolling.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, I don't know if you notice, because I, I. The Manhattan. The Manhattan that we see in the beginning of this movie, there's one shot of the, the drug, you know, sort of criminals that'll come back later. But someone. I had to pause it this morning because I went back and rewatched the beginning. Someone is smoking crack. Not over a lighter, but over sort of like a candle. Like, candle.

[June Diane Raphael]

Candle, yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Long candle.

[Paul Scheer]

And they are over a burning trash can. Much to Jessica.

[June Diane Raphael]

I wish, I WISH we had St. Clair for this episode. This episode had so much burning trash cans, chemical filled trash cans, rats filled trash cans. This really would have been great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I will say, here's the thing about New York. Like, and this is why rats are so upsetting. Like, no matter how many iterations of New York we've seen, like that, this gritty, kind of, you know, late 70s or early, I guess, 89.

[Paul Scheer]

89, Jim.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

89. 89 New York. I'm sorry. 1989 New York. Like, then the sort of post Giuliani, like, Disney fied Times Square New York. Then post 9, 11 New York. Like, we've seen so pandemic New York. We've seen so many versions of New York.

[June Diane Raphael]

What are we on the Brian Lehrer show right now?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let me tell you. Let me tell you something, though. The thing that always is true about New York City that no, no one's been able to change is the rats.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, okay. Well, yeah, I guess you got a point.

[June Diane Raphael]

Let's be clear. It's their city. It.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, it really is.

[Paul Scheer]

Pizza Rat's really the New York City mayor. I will say this.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now that Eric Adams is out, Pizza Rat is in.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, he's always been in it. You know, Eric Adams was just a puppet, like Ratatouille. Now, I just want to say this. You were talking about New York and the vibe of New York. To put it in context, the muppets take Manhattan. 84. This is 89. Like, so just like when you're looking.

[June Diane Raphael]

So I had a question about that. I had a question about that. What is the origin of the framework? Blank Takes Manhattan. It can't be the Muppets. This movie can't be referencing the Muppets.

[Paul Scheer]

I think it is, because I looked it up and, whoa, there's no other Take Manhattan.

[June Diane Raphael]

There isn't. Okay, okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I can't imagine that would be shocking. It is. It is. Without having done any research, I'm going to say that that can't be true. All right, I won't allow.

[Paul Scheer]

I like it as A parody.

[June Diane Raphael]

This movie is directly referencing the Muppet, the Muppets Take Manhattan. Then they're operating on a level that I, having watched it, would not give them credit for.

[Paul Scheer]

No, I would definitely not.

[June Diane Raphael]

I got to be honest. Well, how familiar. I'm curious for the both of you, how either familiar or how much a part of your teenage or childhood years is. Was Friday the 13th or these movies, were they really. Were they part of your, like, scary movie lexicon?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, it's funny, I said to Paul, I. As we were watching, and so, you know what this movie really doesn't have, which I think is why I'm not scared and I don't feel anything, is a compelling, like, musical rhythm. Like, I don't understand the music of the horror here is I'm doing anything to me.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cha, cha, cha, cha, cha, cha.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so that's what Paul said. He said it's cha, cha, cha, cha, cha. Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

And this movie has a lot of it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I said, that's a sound effect, though. I said, that's a sound effect.

[June Diane Raphael]

I agree.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[June Diane Raphael]

I agree. There's no Halloween theme. There is nothing that ramps you into it. And also, they also do an interesting thing. And I don't know if they. This is for. To get a specific rating or say, oh, no, this has got to be rated R. So it doesn't matter.

[Paul Scheer]

No, it's rated R. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

A lot of the kills are. Are on Jason. So he's stabbing someone, but you're seeing him stab. You're not seeing the person always, which is very strange.

[Paul Scheer]

I think the thing that really shook me to my core in this film, and I. I am.

[June Diane Raphael]

To your core?

[Paul Scheer]

To my core.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm going to be honest, I don't think your core should be available for these movies.

[Paul Scheer]

I open myself to every one of these.

[June Diane Raphael]

Strengthen your core.

[Paul Scheer]

No, I have to. I do strengthen it by watching these movies. So when I grew up, Jason and Freddy were a part of the lexicon. I didn't like scary movies. They.

[June Diane Raphael]

What about Michael. Michael Myers from.

[Paul Scheer]

That was way more scary. Like, I feel like Jason and Freddy were, like, at least more poppy fun. Like, I believe that Jason went on the Arsenio hall show and sat there and did a silent interview with Arsenio hall, which is one of my favorite things worth looking up. But, you know, so I. I was aware of these characters, but I never really dug into this franchise.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. I don't know. This mythology, for example, Like, I don't know. I realized as I was watching this, I don't know if there are any. What are Jason's rules?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, it switches.

[June Diane Raphael]

I understand Freddy Krueger's rules for the most part.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

But Jason, like, Jason Voorhees, I don't understand why he's targeting all of these people. And when he gets to Manhattan, he. He's not targeting really many other people whatsoever.

[Paul Scheer]

He barely leaves the docks.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, this is what I'll say is, the mythology here is really busted. Friday the 13th is great because it has a clear idea of who it is. Mike Myers, too. And Michael Myers. Great mythology. Mike Myers.

[June Diane Raphael]

Mike Myers, yes. Wayne's World, Second City, Toronto.

[Paul Scheer]

So I married the Axe Murder. So just to give you the idea of it. And they talk about it a little bit in the film, but in number one, it's Jason's mom who's the killer. Straight up, normal human. Oh, okay. In the second movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, sorry, sorry. So in that movie, Jason's mom, whenever we see this figure in a hockey mask, it's his mother.

[Paul Scheer]

There's no hockey mask until part three.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, whoa.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. So.

[June Diane Raphael]

So that wasn't part of his iconography.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, not until he picks it up.

[June Diane Raphael]

Holy cow.

[Paul Scheer]

Right? So in the first one, Jason, little kid at a camp, he drowns the mom, takes revenge on the counselors. Great idea. Simple, easy, makes sense. Second one, they reveal. Oh, guess what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Although I do want to say something about children being water safe, but I'm gonna save that. Cause it's not that simple, actually. All right, but like, her motives and why she's taking it out on the counselors and not looking inward. But. But let's talk about that in a second.

[Paul Scheer]

So we want to put that. We'll put that in second opinions. Now, part two, they reveal. Oh, that little kid didn't die. He survived. And I guess he just grew up to be an adult. They don't really tell you who raised him, but he wears.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought he was feral in the.

[Paul Scheer]

Woods, probably he wears a sack over his head.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, he's a sackhead.

[Paul Scheer]

He's a sackhead. Oh, and he goes and murders, I guess, the campers for murdering his mother.

[June Diane Raphael]

So their eyes cut out. I don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

I haven't seen part two.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now here's my question. Paul. Does he.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, I think we have done this exact same thing on the other two Jason movies that we have done. Really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We've done two movies?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, I remember one because we went to. He went to space. And that was a part that was.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, Junior, we're not there for that, that was Let the Body Floor.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, that was Let the Bodies hit the floor.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. And then we did the one with Corey Feldman in Berkeley, I believe, and I think that's part six.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Was in it or a guest.

[Paul Scheer]

He's no, Corey Feldman was never a guest in the show because we won't let him perform the Second Opinion theme.

[June Diane Raphael]

Song with his band.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, but here's my question. Was Jason, as a child, he drowned when he was six years old. Was he already disfigured?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that seems to be this new part of it, like he drowned, but now we're seeing like that he is a little bit disfigured. I don't know. I'm gonna tell you, honestly, I don't know. But I think part of it is. I think. Well, so yes, in part three, he gets his mask, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's going on in the back of his head too? There's some major stuff happening.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, he's also been, I don't, I don't know. The, the, the time period between the two, between three and four. But he's also like, gotta be super waterlogged.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, he's always, I mean, he is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Is he always waterlogged?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's always water said while we were watch, while we were watching it, he goes, oh, he looks so moist.

[Paul Scheer]

Too moist.

[June Diane Raphael]

He must smell terrible.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, you must be able to.

[June Diane Raphael]

Know where he is at all times because he must smell terrible.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

But you know, here's the thing about Jason. Doesn't hide, doesn't need to just casually walking around because he, I mean, correct.

[June Diane Raphael]

Me if I'm wrong, has the ability to teleport. Yeah, well, that, I don't know. I don't understand.

[Paul Scheer]

I will just quickly just jump through the two other ones to say that then. And we have, we have part four where again, he's alive, he gets killed, he comes back. But then part five, a new beginning. Jason not in it, killer's a copycat. Okay, so then part six, this is the one that we watched. Jason resurrected when lightning strikes his body and he becomes an undead, super strong zombie. Okay? And then he is chained to the bottom of Crystal Lake, not destroyed. And then part seven, New Blood, he breaks free of his chains, kills again. And then a psychic teenager named Tina uses her powers to resurrect and her dead father who drags Jason back to the lake. Hence we get to Takes Manhattan where he is under the water and gets woken up by a power line, you know, as Jason Takes Manhattan. By the way, we're going to Be taking Manhattan in November. You can get [e-mail] and, you know, maybe we'll go there by boat.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was just going to say we are traveling there by ferry. And the ferry is disgusting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We're going through Ellis Island. Right.

[June Diane Raphael]

And we will. Yes, we will row. We will row a dinghy into Ellis Island.

[Paul Scheer]

I have so many things to say. I just want to talk about the boat. That's the main.

[June Diane Raphael]

Gotta talk about it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Gotta talk about it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Gotta talk about its amenities. Yes, it looks like a ferry. It looks like a ferry.

[Paul Scheer]

Like it grows a commercial industrial boat. There is nothing about it like it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Would be transporting like sardines or.

[June Diane Raphael]

Correct.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like it looks.

[June Diane Raphael]

So why does it have a beautiful sauna? Oh, why does it have a hot rock sauna?

[Paul Scheer]

And then the rooms are beautifully appointed. I mean, the rooms are really well appointed. They have a disco, they have a gym. The amount of bathroom space that. That one girl has. The top dollar toot girl.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, her bathroom is top dollar toot. I also wrote. Paul. Let's see.

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[Paul Scheer]

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[June Diane Raphael]

What's amazing to me, though, is that this is eight. Is that right? This is eight? Yes, this is eight. They're eight movies in. By 1989.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, that first one started in 1980, so there's one a year pretty much with the exception of 1983.

[June Diane Raphael]

And that's amazing.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. And by the way, I just want you to both know that this movie was written fully to be shot in New York. Like there was. It was.

[June Diane Raphael]

When it was over an hour and we had not gotten to New York yet. I. I was starting to get angry.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Oh, I mean. Well, first of all, it is the longest runtime of any Friday the 13th film. It also is the Friday the 13th film that has the least amount of nudity.

[June Diane Raphael]

So why are we doing it then?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, and why is. First of all, was it Friday the 13th?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that doesn't play into anything.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait, has that ever played into it? Has. Has. Has Friday the 13th been significant in. In. I'm assuming, number one. Right.

[Paul Scheer]

That I'm gonna give you a big old pause because I don't know the answer to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that's just interesting because. Yeah. It's like it didn't seem like we were referencing any of the things that we.

[June Diane Raphael]

We never saw a calendar.

[Paul Scheer]

We never saw a calendar. Well, by the way, it would be so easy if you lived in Camp Crystal Lake. You just leave. By the way. Crystal Lake. How would you get out of it? Like, how would you like Crystal Lake? Seems like a lake.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's like.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, they tricky to get to the Atlantic.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that's another thing I had so many questions about. Where is Crystal Lake?

[June Diane Raphael]

I think it's in like New England. My. My guess is it's in like New Hampshire or something.

[Paul Scheer]

Actually, you'll be surprised to know that Camp Crystal Lake is in New Jersey.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, it's in. Oh, fucking hell. Of course it's in New Jersey.

[Paul Scheer]

Scott also wants us to know that the murders in part one do happen on Friday the 13th.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay. So. Okay. So that makes sense.

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[June Diane Raphael]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

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[June Diane Raphael]

New Jersey. So they're taking a ferry to new to New York from New Jersey, which has got to take longer.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, they have bedrooms. They have bedrooms.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why are they going overnight?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And also, let's talk about the weather they hit. I mean, it truly looks like they are in like the, what is it called, like the Northern Passage or whatever that.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, like a northeastern. They're hitting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, it looks so. And I just can't imagine that they're hitting that kind of weather. And I do have to question the original captain of the boat.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who gets murdered and then somehow is standing up at the end. But, but why didn't he know before they went off course that they were heading into such rough waters?

[Paul Scheer]

I think that they did say that there was going to be some rough waters, but it was tricky because there's so much exposition at the top of this and especially from that captain who just kind of Deputizes his son to also be a captain of a very large vessel without any training whatsoever, and then is immediately mad at him like, oh, God damn it, you didn't know how to do that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's so funny because we're given so many scenes and yet so little information that we are frantically trying to make meaning of. Like when we were watching that scene between the. The young woman, our heroine, our final girl, and the older woman in the car, I thought, oh, that's mother and daughter. And then, no, no, that's English teacher and student. And then I had a moment where I thought, and there's a love connection between the two of them. Uh huh.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, there were.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I had to go. I had to make meaning where I could because nothing was being provided to me. The same with the captain and his son. I have no idea.

[Paul Scheer]

Was he disappointed?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's happened?

[June Diane Raphael]

The same with the principal and his niece. Who is the final girl.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Is his niece or was he the adopted, like.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, it's his niece. I think she calls him uncle so and so. I can't remember.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, can we talk about water safety?

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[Paul Scheer]

Wow. I guess we're doing it early. All right, let's do it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So my issue with this movie is I feel like, and I'm gonna take on like the whole Jason lore in general because, oh boy. The thing that starts this is Jason is as a six year old boy does not know how to swim.

[Paul Scheer]

Got it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now, you live in Crystal Lake, but you live anywhere, it doesn't matter. You don't send your child to camp without them knowing how to swim.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, got it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So the fact that the mom takes out revenge on all the counselors who I guess weren't paying attention, like, I think there's a reality to that they weren't paying attention. But that is for her to wrestle with the rest of her life how she sent her child to camp without him being water safe.

[Paul Scheer]

June, when do you think Jason Voorhees died? Like roughly died?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The child? Yeah, I thought when he was six.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, but like when?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, wait, year. Yeah, it's 1989. He looks like. Well, I don't know if he ages.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, that's the thing. He's a big burly man now. So how did that happen?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, that's what's so hard.

[June Diane Raphael]

How does he come back as a big man?

[Paul Scheer]

I'll let you know that. It's 1957.

[June Diane Raphael]

Come on now. How so 1957.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

57.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait, what do you mean? So, so so. But wait, so, okay, so what year does number one take place?

[Paul Scheer]

I imagine that what they do is they show him drowning and then years have passed. Oh, and June, to answer your question, the reason why the 11 year old Jason.

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[Paul Scheer]

Kill. Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill. So he was, he did have facial deformities. He was a camper at Crystal Lake where his mother worked as a cook. He was bullied and teased by the other children. He ran to the camp's pier and fell into the lake after other campers. But the counts. He was 11, but the counselors were identified with drug use and sex to notice a struggle. Unable to swim Jason in 1957. Kill.

[June Diane Raphael]

Kill.

[Paul Scheer]

Kill. Kill.

[Sponsor Announcer]

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[Paul Scheer]

Kill.

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[Paul Scheer]

Camp closed in 1958 and it reopened in 79. And that's when the first movie took place.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But if he had some sort of disfigurement that, like where he couldn't ever learn how to swim, that's one thing. But parents, responsibility. Guess, guess how most kids die before the age of five.

[Paul Scheer]

I guess you're gonna say drowning.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, drowning. Now my issue with this movie too is we're so mad, we're so mad as an audience, or we're supposed to be when we find out that the uncle slash principal threw her off that little dinghy into Camp Crystal Lake or wherever, whatever that lake is, to teach her how to swim. That is, and I'm not saying it's an effective swimming technique, but that is a way to get young children to learn how to swim. He was trying to ultimately save her life and he is portrayed as the villain in that moment.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, it was a traumatic moment. And I don't know if in that moment that's when she discovered her own psychic abilities because she at that point creates a psychic bond with another drowned child of the lake. The lake holds his aura, his childlike aura, because that's the other thing. He is also, I guess he's dead, but he's a zombie. But yet the ghost of the child still lives independently of the zombie version.

[June Diane Raphael]

Again, these, this is, I have this question too is what am I meant? Who is Jason? I, I think I've literally said, who is Jason? I'm now having such a eerie flashback. But I mean like really for me, I, because the, the little kid, I get the, the, the, the ghoul, you know, that is rampaging, I get. But the two concurrently, I'm like, where does this live? What is, what is this?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And yeah, and here's another, here's another question. If I can just take it Back to water safety one more time.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She never learns how to swim, so that's gonna come back to haunt her. I would assume. I would assume that Jason also never learned how to swim. And yet he is somehow, when he's resurrected at the beginning of this movie through an electrical cord that's floating around in the water, when he's electrified back to life, he somehow is able to swim and not drown in that water. When did he take a water safety class?

[Paul Scheer]

June. He's been from 1957 to 1980. He has been living a good life, and I guess he only really came back to avenge his mom. But you could argue that he may have just been working in the local store up until then.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't think he needs to breathe because when.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Correct me if I'm wrong, like, he's an amphibian.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, you know, I mean, like, he's under the water. Do you think when. When they leave on the rowboat? Right.

[Paul Scheer]

When the ship is sunk.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, I just want to point out that a show or at least a caught fire. I will say this. A trip from New Jersey to New York on boat hour. That's the normal time. And they run express ferries every day. Multiple ferries a day.

[June Diane Raphael]

Not even. Not overnight, not even. And the minute they were like, it's going to be bad weather, they could have easily put everybody on a school bus and had them in the city, like, within an hour. My question is, when the boat. Yes, when they all abandoned the boat. And. And Jason Voorhees, he then. And they row to Manhattan, and he follows them to Manhattan How?

[Paul Scheer]

Swimming under the boat, I believe.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I'm being honest, I believe he walked along the ocean's floor. Oh, wow. I think he does not need to breathe.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's interesting.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I would love. I would have loved a shot of just him slowly walking along the ocean's floor. Because that, to me, makes him now Jaws that interesting. The looming threat. He just is. He appears too often. And I a little bit wanted to know, like, how is, like, give me a sense of his movement, not just his presence.

[Paul Scheer]

That club scene, there is a club, a, A, a. A dance club on this freighter that they're on. And when that girl runs into the dance club, she is in the middle of a room that has nothing to hide behind. It is a dance floor surrounded by some chairs and a bar. Right. You could stand in the center and see every wall. There's nowhere to hide. And yet Jason is moving around that room as if you're right. Teleporting around.

[June Diane Raphael]

And strangest is, she's at one point looking right at him. He's like, fully across the room for her. And all she has to do is not take her eyes off of him. But. But by doing so, no, he is. Then he evaporates and. And then is suddenly somehow just right. Right there. It is so funny. And I like it. I don't mind it. I just kept being like, why? What am I meant to intuit from this? What is this, teaching?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, this is what I want to get to that was bothering me about this whole movie. And again, I know there are people out there that are mad at us and we don't know enough about the Jason lore.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm sorry, wait, you think there are fans of this property? So much so that they would complain about our ignorance?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, they're gonna be.

[June Diane Raphael]

You got it wrong. Find a way to talk back to us. The podcast.

[Paul Scheer]

I can't wait for the Last Looks episode. So this is what I will say that really bummed me out about this movie is the kills are not fun. They seem like someone doing chores. It's like, like it's. It's so blunt and. And bald. It's like. And it's not even. It's not even scary because it's like, jason, can you take out the trash? Okay, Mom. Like, that's all it is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, well, and a part of that is because he doesn't seem to have any motivation. We don't understand. It's like, it's not really about killing virgins. It's not really about just killing teenagers. It's like, there's no rhyme or reason.

[Paul Scheer]

At one point, he seems to get lazy and just toss the guy off the side of the boat.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's like, well, there's a way in which the principal.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The principal kept bothering.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, it's not Jason Voorhees. Don't talk to me about Jason Voorhees. And I was like, oh, does he have some connection? He's older in that way that, like, Freddy Krueger was seeking revenge on the.

[Paul Scheer]

He was in the camp with him.

[June Diane Raphael]

But that's what I mean.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, that's what I mean.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, I felt like, oh, this. This guy is going to be the bridge between Jason Voorhees and the now and. Nope, nope, not at all.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No. Well, it's interesting you talk about his movements, Jason, because I, I. There were times one of the things I think I like about Jason, if I can see if it's okay to.

[June Diane Raphael]

Say that we should all go around and say some things we like about him. Like, I feel bad for him that we're being so negative.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I think it's really balancing. I like. I've always liked his lumbering nature, the slow movement.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In this movie, because he teleports. He almost. The pace of him seems to have quickened, and he pops up hither and thither. He's everywhere. And so he's. He doesn't seem to have that lumbering June.

[Paul Scheer]

I will also argue that as someone who can teleport, he is someone who seems to just casually walk downstairs like he's walking through the hallways of that ship with. No, no, he's not sneaking. I guess he doesn't need to sneak. He. But he is post sneak.

[June Diane Raphael]

Boats are also. Yes, boats are also notoriously tight, difficult places to negotiate. You know, tight small doors and tiny, narrow stairways and so many ladders. And he's executing it like a. We don't see it, but he must be executing it like a gymnast. He must be going through this boat, like. And that's what I like about him. It's like he's not complaining. You know, he's not completely right.

[Paul Scheer]

I want to jump on that. And I want to say persistence is what I like about Jason.

[June Diane Raphael]

He has a follow through.

[Paul Scheer]

He does have some follow through. And he is. He stopped a crime. He stopped a rape. And, you know, we don't. We don't talk about that. You know, like, there was no one there to help. You know, he. He certainly did a very heroic thing.

[June Diane Raphael]

So he's kind of an anti hero. Is Jason an anti hero? You know, I think it's Tony Soprano. Jason Voorhees. It's Walter White.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, I do think that this movie is. You know, you can feel that they don't know exactly what to do, and they are changing the story at all times. Because that principal character is a fun character. But this game in the middle, like, he is threatening the pretty. The. The hot, popular cocaine girl. Like, if you don't hand in your biology project. What is it, Tamara? If you don't hand in your biology project, you're not gonna leave the ship. And it's like, well, isn't this a grad cruise? Haven't they graduated?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought they had graduated. They're all worried about their schoolwork. I'm like, I thought this was a scene celebration.

[Paul Scheer]

The banner said, congratulations, seniors. I mean, and by the way, her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Biology also, like, some of them seem to know each other. Some of them seem like complete strangers to each other.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, I think the people that seemed like strangers were the people who were obviously 36 year old high school students.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But she's sometimes, she's sometimes referring to them as like, oh, I would sleep with that. That's the only senior I'd sleep with. I'm like, wait, are you, aren't you a senior or you as. Are you a different. Great. I mean, it was just so confound. One thing I do love about this time period that I'd be remiss to not mention. It took me back because I was a part of this to when actually I guess if I was only nine, my sister had her hair like this. This. At this time, a lot of women and girls, teenagers, had a scrunched up curl that was wet in appearance. So not a soft curl, but a wet, hard, scrunched curl.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And this movie, Remy is just like, got that hairdo and so many of the girls had that hairdo. And I'm like, wow, we just don't see that anymore. And it was a, it was a moment in time. Like have your hair look wet and stiff.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. And well, it was, you know what it was, it was a time when there were very few, actually very few hair products, especially for people with curly hair. That worked and that worked. Right. So if you, if you were to maintain a curl, it looked wet or weird like, or you know. Yeah, you, like there were. You didn't have, like, you have so many options right now as a curly haired person for hair care products that are for your hair, you know, and you used to just get.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, there's been a lot of innovation.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. You used to just get like gel. It was just gel depth.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know, or moose, like you put.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Your hand in like a bucket and put it on.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. A glue, a glop, a bunch of glop mousse. And then moose happened. And that was a whole moose.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right. But the curl itself itself was like a. It was like solid. It was like, it was like so hard. It was a hard curl.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like a helmet of curls.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Forced to have a helmet of curls.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Now we haven't even talked about that. The, the woman who is the. I think that she's the first woman we see on the vessel who's singing a song.

[June Diane Raphael]

Rock and roll girl.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, the rock and roll girl.

[June Diane Raphael]

Love her. Loved her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wish she had her hair was one of the most, most amazing things I've ever seen in my life, in my lifetime.

[June Diane Raphael]

I wish there had Been more of her and the videographer boy who are like the alternative kids who are, like, you know, doing their thing. I loved them, too.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I. My heart broke for that video kid who really wanted to get it on with the. The hot cokehead. You know, when he's like, hey, I just want to say. Tamara. Sorry.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, he was so cute.

[Paul Scheer]

He was.

[June Diane Raphael]

By the way, I did have a.

[Paul Scheer]

Problem with Tamara's biology project. Same, you know, so she's trying to seduce her teacher to blackmail him so she will pass. But yet it's graduation. I don't know. But the thing I was most confused by is that she has painted her organs on her body like, kind of like a Mr. Good Body, but where her stomach is. It seems to be like an arrow pointing down to her crotch.

[June Diane Raphael]

Also, how she wrote that upside down. How did she write that?

[Paul Scheer]

She's a talent. She's talented.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, and I also. And I know she was setting him up, but why was he going to her stateroom?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, he needed to get that biology project. I mean, I will say he kissed her for a little bit too long for my leg, you know, it was. Yeah, that. That could have been cut a little. He could have pushed her.

[June Diane Raphael]

I just looked and done a slight bit of math to find out that this actor who plays the uncle and the principal or whatever is in at the time of this movie's release, I believe nine years older than I am currently right now.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. Okay.

[June Diane Raphael]

Which is chilling.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, but this is a time you got to remember Lethal weapon.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Number one, Danny Glover is 42.

[June Diane Raphael]

Crazy.

[Paul Scheer]

And Wilford Brimley is 49 in Cocoon.

[June Diane Raphael]

The one that I saw recently was that during all in the Family, when All in the Family, Archie bunker was Carol O' Connor as Archie Bunker was 47 years old. And that blew my mind.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I mean, I'm. I'm nearing golden girl's age.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, I'm actually in it. So that's really just.

[Paul Scheer]

We've changed. We've changed. Our lives have changed. We look better than those people who looked a lot older.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, no, they lived much harder. Their life expectancies were much shorter. I get.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. And they didn't have the, you know, the hair advancements.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Curl creams and all that stuff.

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[Paul Scheer]

The way, I gotta say, you know, June, I know this is kind of your domain, but I want to just talk about Kelly Hu, who is the girl gets murdered in the disco. I love that outfit she was wearing the backwards suspenders and the pants that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You shouted it out while we were watching.

[June Diane Raphael]

Short, short pants with tights. Yeah. I also love that I was like, this is a great vintage. Yeah, vintage 80s to me. Outfit, tight black tights under like longish shorts.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it's interesting. It's like I really liked her and I really liked this character. Maybe I related to her of sort of like being adjacent to someone who has this sheen to them and people really love. But also like and wanting to witness her, but also not wanting to do the things she's doing. But sort of studying her like a sociologist. I thought it was fascinating. But I was sad that she died so quickly. I was more interested in her than Remy.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, very much. I was like so on board for her too. She has such a nice arc. But then my, the bummer is Kind of what I was saying before is she's one of the only people who we watch die on camera. And it takes a long time because forever. She's strangled by Jason. She is for, like, 40 seconds.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that's personal.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I'm like, why are we watching the one person who has been almost completely like, a good person on this, in this experience, not a villain? Everybody else is getting, like, a quick death, and we have to watch her suffer. No, thanks.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this is. This is what I was trying to circle it back to, June, when you talked about the rock star. Jason seems to go after the cool people first.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, he does. Like, I mean, not the guy who was on the boat in the very beginning who scares his girlfriend by having a hockey mask and a fake knife at the ready. That opened up a lot of problems and a lot of questions I have about people who own boats. If you had, like. Like, it felt to me very much on par. If you own a boat, you probably do have a fake knife and a mask in there because you're up to some weird shit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, it's. I. I don't disagree with you. And now I've always wanted to own a boat.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So that's my shame.

[Paul Scheer]

But what kind of boat do you want to own?

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, what do you got? What do you got?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just think it would be fun to go, like, have a boat you.

[June Diane Raphael]

Could take out, just cruise around and, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think it would be nice to have, like, one cabin that you could sleep overnight in. But then basically, you want to go out there. But. Yeah, just like a party boat. Like a boat. You could take friends out, sunset cruise, have a cocktail.

[June Diane Raphael]

Are you. Are you strong in the water? Are you a good swimmer?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, she's good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're not Jason? No.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I grew up in a beach town. I grew up, like, in the water and on boats, and I'm not a strong swimmer at all. I don't fuck. I don't fudge with the ocean. I'm not interested in boats.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I am. I'm intermediate. I'm a middle. I'm a middle. I'm not bad, but I'm not great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think I have a healthy fear of the ocean and respect for it. I'm not going.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's why I think makes you so powerful about it. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank you, Paul. But I'm not going. I'm not doing anything crazy in there.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, June remembers when we were up in Vancouver, you. You said, you want to swim to that Dock. And I said, I don't think it makes that much sense for me to do that because I. I was nervous. I had the kids with me and I was like, I don't want to. I don't wanna put them in a situation. I don't need to be a hero, like. And I think that's an important thing to recognize where you are.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But you know what, though? I was glad you didn't. But I also, as I sat there, thought, and maybe this is why I was egging you on. If you do start to struggle, I could come out.

[Paul Scheer]

And you wanted a.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's what you wanted.

[Paul Scheer]

And this is. And this is what? June. Now June go. This is. This is how June is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, the day is boring. I want to save someone.

[Paul Scheer]

She wants to save me. And she has a very particular way of doing it, which you felt the movie did not show it done properly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, again, we're talking about water safety because when. I don't remember who went in to save the sun. Oh, the Remy's love interest. Yeah. He jumped in to save her because she was flailing about. And I said to Paul, because I wanted to remind him, you are approaching someone who's drowning. You never approach from the front. You. Oh, and I was a. Also a Red Cross, you know, trained lifeguard. So I remember this training. You swim toward them and then you dive underneath. You're under. You're under their legs now. You come out on the other end and then you grab them from the back.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because they will pull you down.

[June Diane Raphael]

Remember that from Boy Scouts? Because we had to learn how to. You know, how to. You know. Exactly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And so I knew that I was preparing with Paul to approach from the back.

[June Diane Raphael]

So you were preparing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Even though he loves me very much, he would pull me down.

[June Diane Raphael]

While you were encouraging him to go further and to perhaps court exhaustion, you were. You were preparing him for your fun of rescuing him.

[Paul Scheer]

She wanted. Yes. She wanted to get like a little bit of that action back, that kind of.

[June Diane Raphael]

Bit of that juice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, it was an interesting moment because the doc was. It was doable, but it was like, also like, yeah, that's pretty far.

[June Diane Raphael]

So he. If he gets there. If he gets there, that's great. And if he doesn't, that's great too.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, my issue was that I would be with the kids now. I will tell you this much. When that girl fell off the boat, those two popular girls took off so quick. Those two popular girls don't even wait for her to get back on the boat. And then her English teacher is like, care to talk about it? But care to talk about what she was pushing off the boat? You can't have it.

[June Diane Raphael]

She also gets to bring her dog.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, well, here's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So when she. When she was walking onto the vessel, I thought she was blind and why.

[Paul Scheer]

And what happened to her parents said in a car accident. So she gets a lot of these kind of special treatment.

[June Diane Raphael]

I guess so. Something like that. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, well, there was something also that I thought was interesting. I read this in the research that Molly found this Kane Hodder, who famously plays Jason in these movies, people love Kane Hodder. Shout out to Kane, refused to kick that dog into the water. Yeah. So they had a scene where Kane Hodder approached the dog, and one of the first kills would have been dog off the boat. But he said, no, it's too mean.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love it.

[Paul Scheer]

I won't do it. So then the dog just becomes a part of the part of the cast and crew. So that was. That was the fix.

[June Diane Raphael]

I didn't mind it. And I actually quite liked that there was a dog present that like, was that. Was we. That weird and unique in a movie that was otherwise confusing? And I was like, yeah, give me more weird stuff like there's a dog and a bandana running around.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, like, here's the two parts that I thought were.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, interesting, intelligent, and like sort of horror savvy. Number one, the dog.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And number two, when our filmmaker student, when he loses his eyeglasses and then has to use the lens of the camera and refocusing it. Well, he shot.

[Paul Scheer]

He did shoot someone.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Those are the.

[Paul Scheer]

Let that be known.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because he couldn't see.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, June, that's a. I mean, you're so. You're up there defending this guy for just firing without glasses on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, at that point, they know there's a murder.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, we don't know. I mean, we know, but we, you know, we don't know that everyone. I mean, I. I would argue that he should have maybe taken a beat.

[June Diane Raphael]

I will say if all of the kills had the true surprise of Jason punching that one kid's head off of.

[Paul Scheer]

His body, that was the best.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was like, give. Why hasn't this been happening all the time?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, that. I'm gonna add that as my third favorite part of the movie. What I. But what I loved about it was how long they spent. How long they spent with that other.

[June Diane Raphael]

Guy hitting him over and over, hitting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Over and over and over.

[June Diane Raphael]

He rope a doped him hitting a plastic mask yeah, that's what's crazy. He's just punching a hard plastic mask. It was amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I laughed so hard. I wish he had just died from exhaust.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, that guy, the boxer, they. The girls are watching him from an above. From an above portal, a skylight into the gym. And these two dudes are kicking each other's asses. Like they are. It's not even like sparring. It. It is, they're going for it.

[June Diane Raphael]

And at what point at the on boat boxing gym.

[Paul Scheer]

They're not even in a ring.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean again, this is an industrial New Jersey ferry. Why is there a boxing area and a sauna? What is this?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean again, how long are they there?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

First of all, the guy. The guys are described, I don't remember who they're talking about, but as like so ripped and these like hunks, like look at those muscles. And they cut to the guy. They're both, I'm sorry, very slender.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, careful, June. I'm only saying this because.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sorry.

[June Diane Raphael]

These are, these are 1989 ripped bodies. In 1989 you didn't get more ripped than this. You couldn't. Because just like the hair products, those muscles weren't invented.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Creatine and yeah, like, wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like they didn't have come, come. Gutters didn't exist in the 80s.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, I think you're right.

[Paul Scheer]

We love a cum gutter. And you love them.

[June Diane Raphael]

We love him, but.

[Paul Scheer]

But it's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow, that's so interesting because I was like, why are they being described this way? Maybe you're right.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's not, it's not really until later that you get those bodybuilder bodies in as cut up bodies. You know, the. I think these kids are the equivalent of ripped.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I, I think that, I mean, I guess. But I would argue that the one that they say is really ripped is the skinn of the two.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, and you know, but look, he definitely has the skills. And you know, I wanna, I wanna really dive into New York when they finally get to New York.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh my God.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I figure. And there's two. Well, there's one thing I do wanna just see is that principal or whatever he is, is so aggro to the Sun's captain when they're rowboating to New York. Like, well, you're the son of a captain. It's like he is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh my God. Like he never drops.

[Paul Scheer]

It never drops.

[June Diane Raphael]

He never drops that shitty attitude of I hate these kids. These kids are dumb. He's. There is no Jason Voorhees. Shut up. Don't you ever say Jason Voorhees again. And then when confronted with Jason Voorhees, he is still. Never drops it. He can never. So much so that he's sucking the joy out of the movie. You know what I mean? Like, if he had been killed earlier and it was just the kids and Jason, the movies, and maybe the English teacher, that's way more fun.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. And also, like, I wanted him to at least posit his theory. You don't think that's Jason.

[June Diane Raphael]

He thinks it's doing this.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, the deckhand is pretty.

[June Diane Raphael]

The. The guy who's saying. The guy who's saying. He's back. You're all gonna die. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who's doing this? And also, I was really disturbed when they're rowboating to, you know, the session of Liberty. That seemed to. Been at it all night. No one could take another shit.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, I also. Well, I want to talk about why when they got to the Statue of Liberty, the. The boxer just starts singing a happy song. All of his friends are dead.

[June Diane Raphael]

Every. They have all had the most trauma. They have. They share this whole thing that horror movies do, which is everybody has witnessed true atrocities and is kind of unfazed.

[Paul Scheer]

And. And. And that, to me, is one of the craziest moments. Like, I get it. Like, you're excited to be in New York, but they got to switch the tone big now. We're in New York. They get to shoot in New York. They pull up on the weird dock town that looks like something that's out of like, a London back alley or.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, you know what it is? It's where. It's where Pretzy.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sells his pretzels in New York City.

[Paul Scheer]

Hercules in Hercules.

[June Diane Raphael]

Hercules in New York.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my God. Well, so he. They're in this place, and immediately these two drug dealers, they. They take Rennie and they're like, if you follow us, we'll kill you. And this is where the principal says to me the dumbest line of the whole movie. He's like, okay, first of all, let's not follow them because he will kill her, and let's split up. And I was like, to what end? You know, where she. You could follow? Like, why are you. There's no even reason to split up. They don't know that Jason's around. They just know that they're good. That this. His goddaughter or whatever, his niece has been kidnapped with very extreme consequences. And he is like, let's split up and not just. Let's split up.

[June Diane Raphael]

Let's split up entirely. It's not even in. It's not even in groups. Let's. Let's individually compare. It is. That guy is an absolute moron. And there are. There's so much blood on his hand, you know?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, yeah. Give me Jason every. I would love over that guy.

[Paul Scheer]

I would love. In some world there is like a court case. We make it like a legal drama, like a Lincoln lawyer where you do have to put some of these people on trial. The people who survived. Wait, now you did what? Now why would you do this? And you know, you can put Jason in a suit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Have him sitting at the table.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No. Because it ended up working for them at the very end. But I would like to ask the question of our. Our two last survivors. Like, you're. He's chasing you. You're on the subway, yet you're scared. Why go down into the subway, you know, tunnels. Why. Why not go up?

[June Diane Raphael]

Or why not stay in populated areas? Why not jump in a cab and drive? Tell them to drive as far as they can immediately. Like, how is like they. They are unable to. I feel like maybe I'm wrong, but, you know, earlier, the idea of Jason rampaging around a summer camp makes sense. It feels pretty trapped. You feel. You feel trapped there with Jason. Right, Right. But what I can understand is you're in Manhattan. This is now millions and millions and millions of people and cars and distractions and places to hide and places to go, and you still can't avoid a slow moving ghoul. That's where I was like, why is he tied to this?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Set things up with you. You got to look after. After a while, you got to look inward.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes. What did you do to deserve this?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

At the end of the day, the idea that. Well, I guess we got him to New York City.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why won't you learn how to swim?

[Paul Scheer]

Maybe she does after the film.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, so here's my question. So do you think that Jason isn't trying to kill Rennie, he just wants to play with her? Like, he saw her swimming. Because they were kids. They were. Yeah, they were little. They were swimming. And he just want. He or he wants her to save.

[Paul Scheer]

The ghost of his child.

[June Diane Raphael]

Does he want to kill her or make. Because. And I'm not saying this is what the movie is, but if there was. If the movie hinted that they had some connection in this childhood moment of almost her almost drowning and him having.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He is asking for her Help.

[June Diane Raphael]

So is that why he single mindedly is chasing after her? Doesn't know. But that would be more, that would be cooler, you know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

If there felt like she had to have some moment with him or some closure with him. But we both don't swim.

[Paul Scheer]

We're the same.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right.

[Paul Scheer]

And then, and then they hug. But no, what she does do is is drowned him in acid. Easily attained acid and street side, street.

[June Diane Raphael]

Side acid that she chucks out of a bucket. Which would mean her hands are covered in acid.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, ok.

[June Diane Raphael]

So.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because here's what I didn't understand. So the subway worker tells them like hey, the acid wash is going to.

[Paul Scheer]

Happen and get that acid wash ready to go.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, every night there's an acid wash and it happens. Going to be happening in 10 minutes. Like you're going to want to get out of here now. I couldn't believe that she threw acid.

[Paul Scheer]

Before the acid wash. That she didn't wait for the acid wash to happen.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That the movie didn't. That like we're, we're throwing acid on him before we're, we're delivering the promise of what we just set up.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was just so I, yeah, it really, I struggled to make sense of it and, and I, all I wanted was more. Boy, I loved. Did you see the, the Batman sign in, in Times Square? Love that I didn't see that there's a huge, underneath the clock there's a huge Batman the movie sign. That's cool. Like the, all Those shots of 1980, late 80s Times Square in New York. I just, I loved so much. And I was like, oh, I wish this movie had taken place in Manhattan and had, had, had brought us all over the island. Wouldn't that have been cool?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you think they just realized. By the way, just my fourth favorite moment was when they ran into the diner screaming like there's a mana hockey mask. He's trying to kill us. And that waitress who was so perfect said welcome to New York or whatever her line was. But I, I, I, I guess I had to. I don't know what's true, Paul, and I'm sure you'll tell us, but I assume they did write a script called Jason Takes Manhattan. Realized they couldn't afford to shoot in Manhattan and do all that exterior stuff and then just placed it on a.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, you're right. He wrote a movie set in New York that was gonna have scenes in Madison Square Garden. The Brooklyn Bridge, the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State Building. But the film only had a budget of 5 million.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What happened?

[Paul Scheer]

And they said, well, Paramount's like, there's not enough money to shoot this in New York City, so they had to rewrite the film and spend more time on the cruise ship. And actually, most of the scenes, they.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can'T say more time on the cruise ship. Like, the entire movie is on cruise ship.

[June Diane Raphael]

Same cruise ship. I mean. And it is not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We've called it so many different things.

[Paul Scheer]

They wanted it to be a cruise ship. It's not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The exterior is a ferry. The interior is right.

[Paul Scheer]

And so here's what I will say that. That even the scenes shot in New York were filmed in Vancouver. So only, like. Only that one day where they clearly had the opening and closing in Times Square. And some, you know, and some subway shots, because even the subway shots aren't in New York. Here's what I'll say. Cause we were talking about what we love about Jason, and we do love Jason. And I want to call out Kane Hodder, because, June, I think you're a fantastic actress. Jason, think you're a fantastic actor. We were just watching your Finding Dory episode last night of Brooklyn 9 9. It was so funny.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We were laughing so hard. Jason, we were laughing.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, nice.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, that's great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What. What a performance. Oh, my gosh.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh. Can I tell you something? I'm gonna tell you something both about that episode because it pertains to this podcast. So there's the scene in that episode of Brooklyn Nine Nine, where I am. Jake finds me in the hospital, and I'm covered in tattoos that I put on myself. Like, memento, of course. One of the tattoos by toilet paper. One of the tattoos that I had them make and put on my body, but you simply do not see. See it. Camera didn't pick it up because it was, like, right down here on my kind of lower trunk was in large letters. Team Fred.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my.

[June Diane Raphael]

I made them put. And they were like, what is it again? And I was like, just put the words Team Fred. Wow. And I was. And I was so excited because I thought I'd placed it well enough, right, that it wouldn't be screaming, but it would be there for people to find and.

[Paul Scheer]

And.

[June Diane Raphael]

And enjoy. But it just. It just never caught it. Right? And I was heartbroken. I was like, oh, I wish I just moved it a little more.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my God, I would have loved that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, that's a bummer. That's a bummer. Well, I'm. I'm excited to know that trivia, though. And for anyone who hasn't seen that episode. Maybe you haven't seen Brooklyn 9 9, but just go watch that episode. Jason is. Is. It's truly just an unbelievable.

[Paul Scheer]

Thrilled to have you back on the show as we're getting through it. But this is what I wanted to say. You both are great actors. Right? You. But I'm gonna say this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thanks, Paul.

[June Diane Raphael]

Thank you, Paul. You as well.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you. But you're not. And neither am I as good as Kane Hodder, who vomited on cue in that final scene, figured out how much water that he needed to drink. To vomit, he had to drink several pitchers of water. Not a special effect for it to.

[June Diane Raphael]

Be like, right there.

[Paul Scheer]

Vomit on. Wow, Hugh, now that is what we've talked about.

[June Diane Raphael]

I could do it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm sure you could. But again, back to water safety.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't think it's safe, but if that's the methodology, just overload your system. So it's right there, ready to go. I bet I could do it.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, I saw David Blaine do that on stage where he, you know, he spits up a goldfish and stuff like that, and he gets it in and gets it out. It's pretty. Pretty interesting.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't think I'd like that part of it.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, the goldfish is alive.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now, I definitely wouldn't like that.

[Paul Scheer]

But this is the moment. They do a lot of mask off work. Now, Jason, you asked earlier in the episode, when he was wearing the hood or like the burlap sack, did he have eye. He had one eye hole, so. So his face is always a little bit of a question mark.

[June Diane Raphael]

Realizing I don't think I've seen any of these movies except for the ones we've watched in the past, because that's not familiar to me at all. I thought he always wore the hot.

[Paul Scheer]

Same thing. And so when he. When he picks up the mask to show the. The kids, I mean, that's a joke, right? The kids are, hey, man, give me your money. And he's like, look at this face. Like, whoa. Hey, man, that's cool, man. Get it. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[June Diane Raphael]

I did love in that moment when he is walking along and he just absolutely kicks the shit out of their boombox that is playing like, punk music or whatever. I love the idea that 1989 street punks, like shaved head, skinhead punks are hanging out in Times Square. It was really funny. I loved it.

[Paul Scheer]

It killed me. Now, I will say that this whole ending where his mask is off is really like it really. And I don't want to be a Person who judges a book by cover, but it lessens his power for me.

[June Diane Raphael]

So this is the first time that that really is the case.

[Paul Scheer]

I think that we're really living in a world where, like, he's got, like, a. He's got a Muppet face. Like, he looks like a Muppet. He is not scary with mask off, in my opinion.

[June Diane Raphael]

Do you think that that is just the movie's effort to. To really drive home that connection between the two of them that this is that boy?

[Paul Scheer]

I guess I think that what they really wanted to do was. I think the intention was they wanted to get him back to being a kid in the next movie. So I think that they were gonna switch spirits, like. Or something like that.

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[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, so. But the movie was. It was such a financial bomb that they were never able to kind of do that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I think that that's what I read there. It was, like, some idea that there was. The kid is taking over again. But. Yeah, so when he is that little face and all that acid, I found the end to be sad and comical. I'd rather you just, like, bash him in the head with that mask on. But once his face is out and he's like, he looks like a little cutie. He looks like a little ghoulie from that movie. He looked too cute.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I understand.

[Paul Scheer]

You can't kill this little cutie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I understand Paul.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, he does. He does become humanized. Absolutely. You know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think as well as the little boy flashbacks that Rennie is having also humanizes him in a way. And. And there's a. Again, there's a way in which I feel like with a Jason, with a Freddy, that I want to feel as though they're righting some wrong. You know, they are. They are creatures of vengeance or. Or retribution or something like that. And with Freddy, that always seems clear, but with Jason and Michael Myers, I guess I'm not quite sure the why. Well, you know, it seems like at.

[Paul Scheer]

This point, I guess the. The lore would be that he protects Camp Crystal Lake. Like, that would be the.

[June Diane Raphael]

From. From what? Like, hand jobs?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, by the way, that couple. We didn't talk about that. They are making out. She is naked. He's like, oh, hold on, let me drop the anchor. It's like, now, now, drop the anchor. Why don't you drop the anchor before you're doing any of this stuff? It didn't look like it just happened.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, then he also then returns. He has brought a collapsible prop knife and a Jason Voorhees hockey mask on the boat.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, this is why I tell you, I don't trust boat people. You know, this is why I don't trust him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that. That was what was harder at the beginning of the movie too, because it's just like, gosh, like us girls have to be scared of the bad guys, but we also have to be scared of the good guys. Like, and that was pretty depressing.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think that. I think, yeah, I think this movie is really gonna wake a lot of people up. You just need to be scared of the guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Exactly.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Just every guy in this movie is not. Except for the boxer is pretty much making bad decisions throughout the entire. And again. And the cameraman. Well, the cameraman did kill somebody.

[June Diane Raphael]

The cameraman's a little sketchy, but I will say I feel like the captain's son, Rennie's love interest, he seemed to be like. He seemed to be a top notch kid. I felt like, oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What kind of. What kind of shockumentary was the camera guy?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, he's putting it together. A reality shockumentary.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, I hope that. I wish that they would have released that as like extra features is like his. That's a found footage movie. Have they ever done Friday the 13th found footage?

[Paul Scheer]

Put this in the list of the other. We had. He had another great movie. Oh, we. We found out Marlon Wayne's already did that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah. We've come up with some good horror movies here on the show.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. My. My pitch June was what if everybody's Halloween lawn Halloween decorations came to life and started attacking the neighborhood?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that's really like, relevant to us right now because we have a brand new lawn decoration just this year.

[June Diane Raphael]

That is what precipitate. That's one of the part of what precipitated.

[Paul Scheer]

And this is what you're missing out on Last Looks. If you're not listening to Last Looks, Jason and I are getting. We're pitching franchises here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's a great idea, right?

[June Diane Raphael]

It's Marlon Wayans already did it.

[Paul Scheer]

And Rob Riggle. And Rob Riggle is in it.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's what we found out. We went through this whole arc where we discovered this. I had. I had this great idea. We started talking about blah, blah, and then in the chat it was like, boop, here it is. And boop. And then Paul was like, wait, I think Wriggle's in this.

[Paul Scheer]

It was a real shock. I will also just say that the opening kill of that girl who's like waiting underneath the why did she go in there?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why not swim? Jump off the boat and fucking swim.

[Paul Scheer]

Nobody moves in this movie. They all commit to their death very quickly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that's what's interesting. All the women do. The men kind of have at least a moment of trying to fight, but the women all stand there or crouch, more likely. And wait and just wait and wait and scream and look often, honestly, get heavy eyed.

[June Diane Raphael]

Often they don't even scream, really.

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like there was a bunch of silent deaths.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. They just silently accept their fate.

[Paul Scheer]

I think that the. The first guy who dies is the reason why he takes such a long time, is he's looking at what's in Jason's hand. He's like, is that from me or is that just tubing?

[June Diane Raphael]

Because I don't think that's tubing.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's like, although it does. It looks like intestines are stuck on the end of it.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, it's like, what is. Yeah. It was so odd. Obviously we had opinions about this movie. There are people out there with a different opinion and people that I'm sure are gonna be mad at us about having these opinions.

[June Diane Raphael]

And we don't need to hear from you.

[Paul Scheer]

It is now time for second opinions.

[June Diane Raphael]

The movie was a piece of shit. This person recommends it. Tell me, what is the message? Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you, John Lajoie. Okay, so Friday the 13th Part 8 has a 4.7 out of 5 stars. That's the average review on Amazon. That's 564 total reviews. 83% of them are 5 stars. Let's get into it. James writes, this is the Titanic version of Friday the 13th. They get stuck out in the middle of the sea with Jason on board, and then he goes on a killing spree. Buy this movie. You won't regret it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Five stars, right?

[Paul Scheer]

We get it, right? Easy. Easy to go. And then it goes to movieman Kev, who writes, not only is this a great addition to the series, it also perfectly encapsulates my mood when visiting New York City, which is.

[June Diane Raphael]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[June Diane Raphael]

What? What is that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Movie wanting to kill everybody. Movieman Kevin. That could be used in evidence. And he wrote that in 2019. So this is not an old review. Lauren B. Floss writes, this movie is different from the other Friday the 13th movies. This is brand new. Jason spends most of the movie on a boat, so it's not as bad as it might sound. If you're tired of the old Friday the 13th movies, then get this. You'll love it. So she just likes location difference. Like she's tired of cabins and woods. I get that. Now this is the. The final one that I want to read from Nick. I know a lot of people. This is all written in caps, but I won't read it like that. I know a lot of people seem to hate this film and say it's one of the worst in the series, but I have always enjoyed it. Sure, there's only two scenes or so in New York and the majority of the movie takes place on a cruise ship, but I think that this movie is very good. The ending is king of weird, but this is a movie that you can just sit down and enjoy for what it is. And I have to say, I love the shot at Times Square with the music towards the end with the Times Square lit up. It makes me feel good, so happy to have this movie in my collection. So this person just likes a B roll footage.

[June Diane Raphael]

By the way, I agree with that. I have. I wrote it multiple times that I loved all these shots of old New York.

[Paul Scheer]

I wanted to buy him a Noble. Yeah, come on, let's do it. I do want to carve for Halloween our pumpkin. Like Jason. Like a Jason. Jack o'. Lantern. I think that. That we can maybe get that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Ooh, that'd be cool.

[Paul Scheer]

That's a kind of a fun thing we should do. Like I said, we are coming to New York this November. Jason and I will also be in D.C. and Boston. How did this get made? We'll be in New York and Philly. Check us out. Go to hdtgm.com we have amazing guests at Dinosaur Improv from Edie Patterson and Danielle Schneider and Mary Holland and Rob Huebel. It's going to be an awesome time. And. And when we go to Philly, we were talking about maybe even bringing the bad boys back. Maybe we bring a Bad Boys back to Philly. We will see. We will see. Bad Boys. Bad Boys. What are you gonna do?

[June Diane Raphael]

They're probably gonna do the Wobble if I would hope.

[Paul Scheer]

We gotta have the Wobble one more time. Jason, June, anything you wanna talk about? Promote things.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, yeah, I guess. Weapons is now on dvd. So if you haven't seen it yet, I really. I think it's a great movie to watch anytime, but especially during spooky season.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Great movie. Really fun.

[June Diane Raphael]

Incredible. I am gonna. I'm gonna shout it. Listen, if you're listening to this and you've got a little kid at home, why not pack him up and bring him to Gabby's dollhouse?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my gosh. People have been tweeting at this all weekend.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, I am in the movie Gabby's Dollhouse. I voice a stuffed animal, a little bear, very cute, named Chumsley, who is a villain. So go in, bring your kids to Gabby's Dollhouse. Inexplicably, somehow, here I am 20 years into this career, and this is without a doubt the best reviewed movie I've ever been in. It is was. It was number two at the box office this weekend. The most successful movie ever.

[Paul Scheer]

Jason, I will tell you that apparently at AMC theaters, they are selling a keychain with your character on it. So people said that you are represented very well. I'll send you the picture of it. Yeah, the people are very excited that you are in Gabby's Dollhouse.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love it. Anyway, I've been hearing from lots of friends who have little kids who are like, dude, this was crazy.

[Paul Scheer]

That is amazing.

[June Diane Raphael]

Very funny. So check out that and. And that's about it.

[Paul Scheer]

And you can also check out my substack. It's free. Just go to substack.com, i guess. Anyway, uh, a big thank you to everybody who makes this show possible. Uh, shout out to our super producer Scott Sonny, who is filling in for Avril Halle while she is on leave. And all the reports that we are getting about Avril is that she is getting better by the day. So keep on sending that love to Avril. Also, a shout out to our other producer, Molly Reynolds. If you have an issue with this movie, you want to give us a shout out. You want to talk about this a little bit more, give us a call. Head to the discord and we will break it all down on last looks. But don't tell us that we got the mythology wrong. We don't want to get involved in any of that good garbage. Maybe we'll have a shirt. Maybe we'll have a shirt as good as the Geek Squad shirt. We don't know. We'll figure it out later on. I also want to give a shout out to our engineer, Casey Holford. And remember, give me a call at 619-a-s k p a u l at 619Paul. Ask to leave all your comments about Jason Takes Manhattan. We'll see you next time. Bye for now.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

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