Jack's Back LIVE! w/ Lisa Gilroy

Summary

How Did This Get Made? — Jack’s Back LIVE! w/ Lisa Gilroy

Podcast: How Did This Get Made?
Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Paul Scheer, Jason Mantzoukas
Guest: Lisa Gilroy
Venue: Live at Largo, Los Angeles

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Episode Overview

This live episode finds Paul, Jason, and guest co-host Lisa Gilroy dissecting the 1988 thriller Jack’s Back, a baffling and delightfully oddball serial killer movie starring James Spader as twin brothers, one good, one potentially evil. As with every HDTGM episode, the trio watches the movie so you don’t have to—breaking the film down with comedic incredulity, calling out the nonsensical plot twists, the era's tropes, and the ultimate weirdness of Double Spader. The episode is packed with quotable exchanges, audience interactions, and deep dives into 80s movie logic.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction & Setup

[02:22] - [04:31]

• Paul notes Jack’s Back is "not really about Jack the Ripper," but instead a movie where a serial killer in LA celebrates the 100th anniversary of Jack the Ripper’s crimes.
• Jason sets the tone: “Let’s go, Largo! Okay, okay, okay. We gotta talk about Spader all night... This is a tone poem.”
• Lisa jokes she thought it was going to be a Jack Black movie.
• Jason and Paul immediately point out the confusing narrative, tone, and everyone’s suspect behavior.

James Spader, Double Duty, and 80s Vibes

[04:54] - [16:00]

• The weirdness of James Spader playing twins confuses the hosts:
  • Jason: “I did not realize until minute 46 that he was now playing his twin brother.” [08:08]
  • Jason and Paul break down how they distinguished between “Doc Spader” and “Bad Boy Spader.”
• Lisa: “I remember my dad showing me Spader on The Office… so that’s where I know him from. So I was like, oh, now he’s Rippert California.” [14:45]
• Paul on Spader’s look: "It's crazy how soft his lips look." [15:16]
• The group reminisces about Spader as the “80s youth actor bad boy.”

Confusion Over Setting, Character Roles, and Logic

[09:12] - [16:19]

• They roast the movie’s setting, especially the “doctor’s office” that looks like a police precinct.
• Lisa: “The clinic was also a church. You guys are so fucking stupid.” [09:22]
• Jason on Spader Prime: “Even in these scenes, I don’t trust this guy. And he’s the good one!” [14:02]
• They riff on the general confusion about who’s a villain, who’s a doctor, and who’s a cop.

The Absurdities of the Plot and Writing

[16:00] - [28:00]

• The incompetent police, the ridiculous apathy about serial murder, and “boy power” in the cast are lampooned.
• Lisa: “No receipts, nothing. They needed no evidence.” [17:20]
• They riff on a scene where the police marvel at the killer wearing condoms:
  • Lisa: “They go, we know our boy wears protection.” [21:44]
• Paul’s “fun fact” about Jack the Ripper not actually raping his victims triggers a hilarious extended sidebar about the perils of correcting people at parties.
  • Lisa: “I don’t think you should go to parties and be like, ‘Fun fact: Jack the Ripper never raped anyone.’” [23:32]

Logic Gaps and Silly Details

[28:18] - [39:28]

• Extended confusion over the abortion subplot and the mechanics of who committed which murder and why.
• Paul tries repeatedly to recount the sequence of murders and is contradicted by Jason and the crowd in classic HDTGM fashion.
• Lisa on the giant, suspicious character: “It can’t be him. He’s like Jock Jams 3000.” [27:19]
• Jason: “His presence on screen is like forced perspective. It forces him to seem as though he’s Gandalf and everybody else is a hobbit.” [27:34]

Twin Movie Lore and Hypnosis

[39:28] - [41:14]

• Lisa schools the crew on “twin logic” from Olsen Twins and Parent Trap-like movies, insisting, “if you hypnotize them, they will see the murder of the other twin.” [40:18]
• Paul: “Identical twins don’t have identical fingerprints.” [40:45]
• Lisa: “Someone’s never been fingered by a twin because let me tell you, you can feel it.” [40:52]

Music, Visuals, and 80s Style

[30:43], [70:24]

• Jason raves: “If you don’t play the songs from this movie… This is better than Drive. This movie is better than Drive.” [30:47]
• The group notes Peter Gabriel’s “Red Rain” was rejected, so the movie got a knockoff version—Paul mashes up the two for laughs.
• Later, they recall: “There was just some next level 80s saxophone stuff while Spader’s, like, sitting on his porch petting a cat.” [70:29]

Audience Participation & Questions

[54:38] - [65:11]

• The live audience joins in.
  • David, an audience member, provides his theory (jokingly) that the hypnosis sequence is actually depicting Spader’s “O-face.” [56:38]
  • Corey points out the scene where an old man killer throws a woman across the room: “Like, why does he have super strength? He is an old man.” [57:47]
  • Michael #2, an anesthesiologist, fact-checks medical points from the film. [64:01]

Second Opinions Segment

[65:11] - [68:17]

• The crowd sings a “second opinions” jingle (“It ain’t three… I’ll only give it five stars!”)
• Paul reads some highly entertaining Amazon reviews, including a Japanese viewer’s:
  • “I am good at acting. I watched it. The story itself was different from my imagination looking at the jacket. And it was quite interesting… I didn’t know the true culprit until the end and I was pounding the floor watching it… Five stars.” [68:04]
• Lisa: “That made more sense than anything Mantzoukas has said this entire show.” [68:04]

Notable Quotes & Comedic Highlights

• Jason on Double Spader:
  “I did not realize until… minute 46, that he was now playing his twin brother.” [08:08]

• Lisa, confused by the plot:
  “The clinic was also a church, you guys are so fucking stupid.” [09:22]

• Paul, on Valium pacing:
  “I wrote down: this movie took a Valium.” [11:38]

• Lisa, on Jack the Ripper:
  “Because I want to say…I want to say”—
  Jason: “Let me tell you, stop putting that into games of Celebrity.” [23:39]

• Discussing 80s tropes:
  “Mental health professionals, probably quacks. And then he’s got—he lives with his mother and he’s like, ‘I’ll shoot you motherfucker!’ I’m like, what are we doing?” [15:37]

• Lisa, about the tall possible suspect:
  “It can’t be him. He’s like Jock Jams 3000.” [27:19]

• Paul, on homicide logic:
  “I just think that it was a one time thing.”
  Jason: “That’s enough. It’s enough that he killed one Spader. Never mind that he goes after the other one…” [34:40]

• Lisa, about good/bad Spader:
  “The only good guy who would give you an abortion that would actually feel good would be Spader.” [62:20]

June Diane Raphael’s Guess-the-Plot Cameo

[68:45] - [70:13]

• June sends in her trademark film plot guess, theorizing the movie is about “a dad named Jack who dies early and comes back as a snowman,” then revising to “Jack from Jack and Jill who’s a killer doll.”
• Lisa: “I can’t believe you got such a hot woman to do this stupid show.” [70:13]

Final Thoughts & Wrap-up

[71:46] - [73:16]

• The hosts agree Jack’s Back is a fun, never-boring movie, even as it makes little sense:
  • Jason: “I, you know, we’ve had to watch so, so many bad movies that are truly bad and a slog. This was a delight… Not once did I have a note that was like, 'How is there still 45 minutes left?'” [71:49]
• Lisa: “I loved the movie, and I love you guys and I’m glad you made me watch it.” [71:46]
• The episode fades out with the group riffing on the word “lugubrious,” Lisa’s own spells (“Luf Glarius!”), and their usual sign-off.

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• [02:22] — Episode launch, intro to the movie and guest
• [04:31]-[09:18] — Discussion of Double Spader, movie confusion
• [09:22]-[14:16] — Clinic/Church confusion, Spader’s “bad vibes”
• [16:00]-[18:04] — Police and evidence logic, Hermione humor
• [21:30]-[24:50] — Condom scene, Jack the Ripper trutherism tangent
• [30:43]-[31:40] — Music mashing, Peter Gabriel “Red Rain” knockoff
• [39:28]-[41:14] — Twin movie logic and hypnosis
• [54:38]-[65:11] — Audience questions, medical fact-checking
• [65:11]-[68:17] — Second Opinions and Amazon reviews
• [68:45]-[70:13] — June Diane Raphael’s plot guess
• [71:46]-[73:16] — Final reactions and riffing wrap-up

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The HDTGM Take on Jack’s Back

• Enjoyable, if absurd and confusing. Double Spader’s weirdness alone is worth the ride.
• The movie tries to be about Jack the Ripper, but it’s not—mostly just an 80s LA thriller with some serial killer trimmings and wild logic leaps.
• Standout moments include confusion over who’s who, the magical properties of hypnosis with twins, the Valium pace, a cast of suspects straight out of a police lineup, and hilarious production choices (like the knockoff Peter Gabriel song).
• Audience participation and live setting add to the infectious fun, and the hosts are at their improvisational best.

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Good for Listeners Who…

• Love movie podcasts that dive deep and goof off equally hard
• Are 80s/Spader/cheesy thriller enthusiasts
• Appreciate classic HDTGM tangents and live audience chaos

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Best Quote to Summarize the Episode:

“This is a movie in which every single character appeared to be guilty of something. Everybody is like, wait a minute. Like, everybody acted like they were the killer.”
— Jason Mantzoukas ([05:35])

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For all listeners, this episode is a hilarious, chaotic tribute to the inexplicable choices of late-80s genre cinema—and a must if you love hearing three funny people be confused together in public for 90 minutes.

Transcript

[Paul Scheer]

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[Lisa Gilroy]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

How did this get paid? Hello people of Earth. Hello people of Los Angeles.

[Paul Scheer]

We are live at Largo for a very special. How did this get made? Hey, it's Paul. It's Jason. And our very special guest tonight talking about a movie that came out in 1988 called Jack's Back. And by the title you would think this is a movie that has to do with Jack the Ripper or Jack the Ripper coming back or time travel or just a bunch of people getting murdered. No, none of that it's about a brother who has, like, a Time Life book connection to his other brother and thinks something is up. IMDb says a serial killer in Los Angeles celebrates Jack the Ripper's 100th birthday by committing similar murders. Yeah, I guess that's like the. That's like the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern version of this movie. It's happening in a different part of it. The tagline of this movie. 100 years ago, in the city of London, in the East End slum of Whitechapel, a man shocked the world by murdering, raping, and mutilating five women. He was never caught. That's the tagline of this movie. This movie that takes place in a time in LA where La Bamba is playing at the movie theater. I know that because they drive by it. That line was all about Whitechapel and the. Yeah, he was never caught. And we're not gonna get any further into that mystery in this film at all. But, man, oh, man, we do get Double Spader to break it down for you tonight. We are gonna have some great guests. And our first not even guest, but co host is Jason Mantzoukas.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's up, jerks? Let's go. Let's go, Largo. Okay, okay, okay. We gotta talk about Spader all night. This one. Wow. Wow. Front to back, top to bottom, TDB vibes, baby. I was on board for whatever. We don't have Spader anymore. We don't have spaders. I mean, we've got literal Spader, but.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We don't have anybody that's doing whatever. This is.

[Paul Scheer]

It's. This is a tone poem.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's weird. It is, yes. By what? A mistake that he never worked with Terrence Malick. Wouldn't that have been fascinating?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, I don't know if Terrence Malick could handle it. Here's what I will say, that this movie was directed and written by Rowdy Harrington, who went on after this movie to direct Road House.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

The producer, Joel Silver. Rowdy. Yeah. Rowdy saw this and was like, I got the guy. I got the guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Which is odd because I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. And I loved it. I don't. Yes. What a magic trick. What a magic trick this movie pulled off. A movie in which every single character appeared to be guilty of something. Everybody is like, wait a minute. Like, everybody acted like they were the killer.

[Paul Scheer]

It is a movie that's so confused in so many ways. We're gonna break it all down. But tonight, sitting in The June Chair. We have a very special guest. You know her from shows like Jury Duty. Interior, Chinatown.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The studio.

[Paul Scheer]

The studio. She just won on Dropout's Game Changer and hosted After Midnight. Please welcome Lisa Gilroy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Welcome. Welcome, Lisa.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I don't need a big jock to hang me. I can hang myself.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, this is your first time here on the show. And we give you Jack's back. What's your like before you watch it? Do you have any.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I thought it was gonna be a Jack Black movie.

[Paul Scheer]

I would like Jack Black to remake it. It would be great. I mean, I was really interested in this because this is a movie that growing up, I remember seeing this cover box. I remember seeing this. Like, I've seen this, and I never, never took it out. But I thought from the COVID it was like a Jack. I did think it was a Jack the Ripper thing. I just thought like, oh, James Spader is Jack the Ripper. Okay, I'm in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it really wants you to believe that for, like, a second.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because this movie isn't really even about those murders. Not at all. It's not even about the years ago.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's not even about. Exactly. It's not even about Sidney's murders. Spoiler alert. The boss. Sidney.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep. The big twist at the end. Now, when you Google this movie, people are like. And the twist will blow your mind.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know why?

[Paul Scheer]

Like, he's the only person left at a certain point.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Lisa Gilroy]

And he's also the only person that would ever sing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So start spreading the news.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Or the other old man song. But, like, he. I don't see James. James Vader can't even speak above a whisper. You think he's gonna sing like that in the shower? It was never him.

[Paul Scheer]

I thought it would be like his split personality had a great, like, Frank Sinatra voice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can I say something?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I mean this with all. With all sincerity. I did not realize until, like, because I wrote it down, I think minute 46, that he was now playing his twin brother.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I, I, I, I had a tremendous amount of problems understanding Double Spader. It took me a minute to be like, doc Spader wears a baseball hat.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Bad boy Spader wears a sleeveless V neck T shirt.

[Paul Scheer]

And I believe, I believe an earring. I almost got caught in the switch as well, because I was like, oh, he just dreamt that he tried to stop the murder and was killed. And then I was like, how did you think that?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Because the murder happened right outside his bedroom window.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So we're to believe. We're to believe that James Spader, the bad boy, has moved back to Los Angeles, having not talked to his brother for two years, and moves across the park for where his brother works?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, was it even where his brother. Wasn't it? Wasn't it, like, a gym? Because I feel like he got killed in an auditorium.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, James Spader?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, basically.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, he got killed at the clinic.

[Lisa Gilroy]

The clinic was also a church. You guys are so fucking stupid.

[Paul Scheer]

There is a lot of, like. I am also confused this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

First of all, one of the nurses at one point says, we're so busy. I can't right now. They are dead. There's not a single person there. And it's the same six people who are in the bar later who are just like.

[Paul Scheer]

This is what was confusing me for a long time. I was like, is he a cop or is he a doctor? Because this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, Spader Prime.

[Paul Scheer]

Spader Prime. Because Spader Prime. This is his doctor's office.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

I've never seen doctors have their own desks set up like a police precinct.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. And this office place has a bullpen.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Where all of the doctors sit. And it's in, like, a Craftsman house in Eagle Rock. I don't know what's going on at all in this movie, but I love it. I want to live in this movie. Her glasses are everything.

[Paul Scheer]

This opening scene got me confused because I'm like, he is a doctor, I believe, but he's being chewed out like he's in a police movie. And this is the scene here, just to get a taste of it. Sit down.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Sit down, Cratchit. You won't be getting paid on Christmas.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way. Was this shot during a nuclear apocalypse? Yeah, the. The orange hue burning through the city's on fire. Like, is he under?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like.

[Paul Scheer]

Like. Like a fried chicken place sign?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That would be amazing if you looked out the window and it's just Arby's. I feel like Tony Scott saw this and was like, hang on, I can do this. Got a lot of goddamn nerve, you know that? Can you pause already? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. This movie's pace is. I don't even know how to describe it other than lugubrious. And Spader is setting the pace. It's as if the movie happens in real time and that real time is slow. Baby.

[Paul Scheer]

I wrote down this movie. Took a Valium. Like, whatever, whatever. We're just like, hey, no rush.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Which is why when they're driving around LA in That Valium, vintage BMW. I'm like, fuck, this feels great.

[Paul Scheer]

So here's the police at this point again, I am not quite sure who this is. I know he's a doctor, but he's.

[Lisa Gilroy]

A man who thinks he's in A Christmas Carol. He's been given makeup to make his eyes black underneath. And he's so committed with doing every acting like, well, I'm mad at you.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I guess he was telegraphing he's the bad guy. And it did a good job. I didn't get it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just because the people out there call you a doctor doesn't make you one. You're still in medical school and you're working here under my supervision and approval. One more stunt like you pulled today and I'll have your ass bounced out of here so fast it'll make your head swim. Do you understand me?

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, he's chewing him out for, there's a woman bleeding in the lobby. He goes and, like, puts a band aid on her face.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And he's late for work because he's promoting bringing health care to, like, unhoused people. Right?

[Paul Scheer]

It's even dumber than that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's participating in something.

[Paul Scheer]

He seems to be going on the news to spread the word that there are homeless people. Like, he's like, and you'll never believe it, some of these people don't have houses. And the news person's like, what? He's like, yeah, and they're all different communities. That's the other thing too. They're all different communities. It looks like about a 17 by 5 foot area. And then when he airs on TV and he tells people there are homeless people in Los Angeles, he gets an applause break from the fellow doctors. Like, ah, finally.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Well, like, Spader prime is. I think part of what's hard about it is even this version of Spader, the doctor, the hero, the Chicago Cubs.

[Paul Scheer]

Fan who is an LA native.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Inexplicable. Like, why does he wear a fucking Dodgers hat?

[Paul Scheer]

It's so easy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. I'm assuming he's not from Chicago. A Spader.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't know, but he's. But it's clearly that he is. Like, they say, I grew up just a little. He says these words, fucking Dodger salad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And his twin brother is in all of LA's most deadly gangs.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But this Spader, what's so crazy is, like, even in these scenes, I don't trust this guy. And he's the good guy. He's the good one who gets killed And I'm like, I don't know. Spader makes me feel like this guy's a creep.

[Lisa Gilroy]

He's making you feel something, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Always. Always. That was my question for you, a younger person. What is your relationship to James Spader? Because, boy, is he a bedrock element of my teenage years.

[Paul Scheer]

And just the audience knows you are a tween, right?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yes, I'm so. So I kind of grew up on, like, Paw Patrol and Peppa and stuff like that.

[Paul Scheer]

Sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would love it if Spader was on Paw Patrol.

[Lisa Gilroy]

But I remember my dad showing me Spader on the Office.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I'm kidding.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I saw Spader on the Office as Robert.

[Paul Scheer]

It sounded real enough. It sounded real.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I really. You guys felt fearful. I could feel it. Remember when he was Robert California?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, right, right.

[Lisa Gilroy]

So that's where I know him from. So I was like, oh, now he's Rippert California.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's got.

[Paul Scheer]

He. He to me, is like 80s youth actor. Like, I mean, there's.

[Lisa Gilroy]

How old is he here?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, he's got to be 26. How old is he?

[Paul Scheer]

I would even say younger than.

[Lisa Gilroy]

You know. It's crazy how soft his lips look.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, he is. He is the ultimate bad boy. Pretty boy of the 80s. Yes. That's what I'm saying. We don't do this anymore.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Well, that's what I kind of felt like. I know. You were saying it felt that the movie felt lugubrious.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This, this. I mean, again, this movie participates in one of my favorite 80s tropes, which is psychiatrists. You can't trust them. Mental health professionals, probably quacks. And then he's got. He lives with his mother, and he's like, I'll shoot you, motherfucker. I'm like, what are we doing?

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, there are some funny moments in this movie. In the very beginning, the cops are talking about this killer, the Jack the Ripper Killer. And he goes, we must stop him. Yeah, no shit. Like, what? Like, what is the other option? It's like. It was like. But it was said, like, huh, Five people dead.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They are.

[Paul Scheer]

We gotta stop this guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The police. The police are the least relevant characters in a movie that is ostensibly about a serial killer. And the police that are after him.

[Paul Scheer]

It is so odd because they also are so cocky, the police. Like, when they catch Spader prime and they think he's the murderer. Like, we did what Scotland Yard could never do.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's like, mother, this.

[Paul Scheer]

This is a very different time. Jack The Ripper happened 100 years ago. And they have no technology. You're in modern day Los Angeles and you just caught a guy and you did no investigation. It's a whole Karen Reed operation all over again. Yeah. So these cops are cocky. Even when the two basketball playing, like other doctors come in. Like, he was with us the entire time playing basketball. He's like, really? All the time. It's like. Well, yeah, we were in San Diego. We saw him a lot like, hmm. Okay, thanks, fellas.

[Lisa Gilroy]

No receipts, nothing. They needed no evidence.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, no evidence.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Two guys. We got it. Thanks for coming in, boys. Lots of boy power in this movie. The only girl we got was Hermione Granger.

[Paul Scheer]

When she put on those glasses, you knew she was serious.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. And when she used the time Turner, I was like, she's gonna help this kid not be abused.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. And then when she was out and about with both the Spader twins, she was like, I'm going to bed before either of you can think of something to get us killed. Or worse, expelled.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When she called Spader horrid. Absolutely horrid.

[Lisa Gilroy]

And then when she said, you've got something on your nose just there.

[Paul Scheer]

I love when she.

[Lisa Gilroy]

You say one, Paul.

[Paul Scheer]

All right. Birdie's bots.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Sorry?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Birdie's bots.

[Paul Scheer]

Birdie's bots.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. Oh, boy. Spader is giving me. Spader is giving me grown up Draco Malfoy vibes.

[Paul Scheer]

I read these books. I was like into them that much. I like watch all the movies. I was a fine fan. I get the jokes. I'm not gonna be quoting anybody.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We get it. You don't love the books, you love her politics.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

I am also like kind of blown away, by the way. There's a moment where they say, like, what do we know about this guy? Kills women, he fucks him, but he wears a condom. And every guy and every cop is like.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Huge laugh. Biggest laugh of the movie. That was crazy. They go, we know our boy wears protection.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Everyone's like, what an idiot.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. They're like, hey, hey, if you're going to kill the girl anyways, it doesn't matter if you get her pregnant. I know if it was me, I'd.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Be enjoying the ride.

[Paul Scheer]

Now here's what I want to reveal to you. That. A couple things here. That Jack the Ripper never raped.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Jack the Ripper.

[Paul Scheer]

Jack the Ripper. Here's the thing.

[Lisa Gilroy]

The movie's set in London.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Paul, Harry.

[Paul Scheer]

Jack the Ripper.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah, there you go.

[Paul Scheer]

Jack the Ripper never raped his victims.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, okay. Wait. What?

[Lisa Gilroy]

What? What? Okay. Are you like a Jack the Ripper truther?

[Paul Scheer]

No, I'm finding I have a lot of movie mistakes. I also know who actually did it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I actually know who did it.

[Lisa Gilroy]

He was actually a really good boyfriend.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You always say he was misunderstood.

[Paul Scheer]

He was. He was. But. No, but they make such a big deal out of it. And it's like he's doing it exactly the same way, but a cursory Google. I know they don't have Google back then, but a book opening would show that that was not part of it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But they at least have AltaVista or Web Crawler aspect.

[Paul Scheer]

Jeeves, did Jack the Ripper rape some ladies? No, sir.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You don't have to ask. In a British accent.

[Paul Scheer]

Really? That's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I never used. I don't think that's how. Ask Jeeves.

[Paul Scheer]

I thought he respected you more.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How do you.

[Lisa Gilroy]

How do you think you know that, Paul? That. It was so long ago. Do you think they even checked for that kind of stuff?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, you think if the whole movie's.

[Paul Scheer]

Based on Jack the Ripper, they would be like, it's identical. It's identical. He does everything identical. It's like. Well, that's a. An addition that you don't even need to make. It plays no part in the story.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I have to tell you something.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I don't think you should say that anymore. And I don't think you should go to parties and be like, fun fact. Jack the Ripper never raped anyone.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Because I want to say. I want to say.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let me tell you, stop putting that into games of celebrity.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. Like, it's just like, it's.

[Paul Scheer]

He didn't rape anybody. He was. He was a smart guy. He was a good boyfriend. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Decker.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Because, like, okay, I did a show at Dynasty last week, and I was like, asking the. Listen, you know, we took a stand up class together. We're standing up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Did you not promo shows you've already done.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Hey, check it out. Last week I was phenomenal.

[Paul Scheer]

Is it still live streaming? It probably is.

[Lisa Gilroy]

To give you a taste of how bad I still am at stand up. I was asking. At one point, I was soliciting fun facts from the audience because I just genuinely wanted to learn a new fact. And someone in the audience was Like, I have a fun fact, actually. Robin Williams wasn't like that depressed before he killed himself.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh.

[Lisa Gilroy]

And I'm just saying that's the same flavor of what you're doing over there. It's a warning because we're friends.

[Paul Scheer]

No, I appreciate. I appreciate it. I just want to get the truth out there about Jack. I will say that I've never been more creeped out by a box of condoms in a movie. When the killer just like places a box of condoms out, like, he doesn't even break the box. It's just like, well, I'll get into this later on. It creeped me out.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Oh, I didn't notice that. I thought it was camera film, what he was putting out.

[Paul Scheer]

It was a bot. It was.

[Lisa Gilroy]

But I think you can use both for both.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Especially because all of his. He's using a Polaroid. So you can use the wrapper of the Polaroid film, that heavy Mylar wrapper or whatever it is.

[Paul Scheer]

And the pictures you get are beautiful.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You will get lead poisoning in your dick, though.

[Paul Scheer]

But it comes out very Pollock esque.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But don't shake it.

[Paul Scheer]

When you were talking about Hermione, the way they introduced that character, you know, she's like the girl that everyone's flirting with in the office. And the creepy guy that we think is Jack the Ripper for most of the movie, the big tall guy who is the killer of Prime Spader, he's like, you get that book that I gave you? And she's like, oh, thank you so much for that book. It was great. He's like, if you like it, I'll get you another.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

It was such. It was so non specific. It was like. It wasn't like, like just books. Like, what could the book. I'll just. I will buy you another book. If you like books, I will buy you a book.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The reveal of this guy is that he's just low key, an amateur abortionist.

[Paul Scheer]

That's his deal.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, is he like a janitor at the hospital? Like, what's his thing? I think other than, hey, knock, knock. Do you want an abortion?

[Paul Scheer]

I believe that he is the Anakin to the chief's Emperor Palpatine. Like, because at one point, remember when he's like cleaning out his lockers, like, hello, what are you doing? Good job, good job. I'm like, what is he doing there? Why is he hiding in a locker room?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What? I love their dynamic. And I was like, oh, I wish I'd gotten more of this.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, because, boy, was that creep city. But I think they were like, you've seen him kill Spader prime, so you think he's the bad guy.

[Lisa Gilroy]

But also so weird to be like, if. Okay, first of all, his name is Jack. So I think they're trying to be like, that could be the Ripper.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, right. Yeah.

[Lisa Gilroy]

But then also, like, I don't know. I imagine Jack the Ripper is like.

[Paul Scheer]

Do you know that Jack the Ripper never raped anybody?

[Lisa Gilroy]

I was gonna say, I imagine Jack the Ripper being, I don't know, you know, an unassuming bald man of a regular height.

[Paul Scheer]

Just like, you know, into stuff. Wife was out of town, no big deal.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Drives a Tesla.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Exactly. Says stuff if you stuff stuff. Like, if you want to talk about it, come sit in my Tesla with me. But no, I just thought it was like, weird casting choice that they cast this, like seven foot tall, half man, half foosball table to like.

[Paul Scheer]

He is so big. He's too big.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Like, I just felt like immediately I was like, it can't be him. He's like Jock Jams 3000.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Oh, I agree.

[Lisa Gilroy]

His head's a football and he speaks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, he's too big. He's too big. His presence on screen is like forced perspective.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It forces him to seem as though he's Gandalf and everybody else is a hobbit.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

And he is. Now, I do want to break this down. What did he do? Because he went to that woman's apartment to give her a free.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Not free abortion.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, right. Yes, Right. He was going to get some snacks out of it. But no, he also is doing it in her apartment, which seemed weird and unsanitary, but he's going to give her an abortion. But then she's murdered. No.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. And then that one lone. No, you were really on an island there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, no. She's alive. She's alive. In the movie, she lives. She survives fake news. Everybody lives. In the movie, there was no Jack the Ripper.

[Lisa Gilroy]

No, I know what a dead girl looks like. Like, that ain't it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She's actually. No, she's an immortal character. She can't be killed.

[Paul Scheer]

So in my.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He does not kill her.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. But. But what hap. Like, I guess what I'm trying to do is. What happened? Did he go there, give an abortion? Left and. No. Let me at least finish and you can tell me I'm wrong.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's Tim. It's Tim.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, it's Tim. Okay, Tim. You. You're allowed to talk. Did he give her an abortion? And then. And then she's like, you're all done. And then he let the door open for the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He says he stepped out for something, and when he came back, she was Deadsville Tim. He shows up and says, I can give you the abortion for 200 bucks. She says, why are we gonna do it here? He's like, yeah, of course.

[Paul Scheer]

So he gives her the abortion, and.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Then he leaves to go to the drugstore to get what he calls a prescription.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't know who prescribed it, but.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When he comes back, she's dead. Yeah, okay.

[Paul Scheer]

That's what I was basically saying up here. And you're like, no, no, that was what I was saying. He did the abortion, left, and then someone killed her. And it was like, yeah, so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So, you know, I guess is the idea that Sidney is following him around.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Here's Sidney's whole deal. It's like he's like, let me kill every woman I've ever met through the clinic where I work.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Like, that's like me killing every man I've ever done improv with.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And also, how long do you think.

[Lisa Gilroy]

The police would, like, be take to be like, it's the Zip Zap Zop murderer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The police. The police in this movie are embarrassingly bad.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They. They are given the slip by everybody. They're terrible.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. They're like adults in a kids movie where they're.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Spader is kind of giving the Macau Culkin Home Alone vibes.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Definitely. Sydney is kind of like bigger pecs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. And, man, when Spirit. When Spader's brother dies. When Spader prime dies and Bad boy Spader wakes up, like, in Tighty Whities in bed. Oh, that's where I got confused. And I was like, oh, it was all a dream. And then I was like, hang on. I don't think it was all a dream.

[Paul Scheer]

I rewound it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That really was like, boy, did we drill down on him in that bed in those briefs. I was like, give me. Now we're in. Now we're just doing, like, vintage Spader. And then put him in a convertible, let him drive around la. I was like, I'll watch this to the tune of, like, some song by a guy named Paul Sachs.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, I have some info about this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If you don't play the song, the songs from this movie. This is better than drive. This movie is better than drive.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, so I want to do something. This might upset you, Jason, but what happened here in this movie was the director, Rowdy, wanted to get a song by Peter Gabriel.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. And Peter Gabriel said no. So he found another artist and he's like, can you duplicate the Peter Gabriel song as close as you can without getting sued? So now we'll put them both together and you will see a little mashup.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When harvest comes, the rain is falling down. Red rain. Love it.

[Paul Scheer]

That was the. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'll shout out. The Peter Gabriel song is Red Rain. And Stuart Copeland from the Police plays only hi hats on that song. And it's incredible.

[Paul Scheer]

I love the music. I love the way that this movie is. But I want to go back to the Emperor Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker relationship just.

[Lisa Gilroy]

For a second because I'm sorry, I'm not so familiar. So is this one. Natalie Portman is two girls.

[Paul Scheer]

Now. She also died in childbirth. So maybe.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You think Jack the ripper got Amidala.

[Paul Scheer]

100 years ago in a galaxy far, far away on the. On the pre anniversary. This is the only clue that we have that these two are working together.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh. Creek. What are you doing here? Cindy, you scared me. I forgot some of my stuff and I needed it. Oh. You're not supposed to be in here after hours. Especially after what's already happened. I understand. I was just leaving. Jack, Sir, I've. I've been meaning to tell you. You do good work. Unlimited power. Thank you, sir. Now go have some fun.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, sir.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Both of these people are murderers.

[Paul Scheer]

We see that. I thought that was a coded. I thought that was a coded scene. Like we've been working together and you've been.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, I don't think. I don't think it is, Tim. No, I don't. I don't think it is. But I think the movie. I think it's absolutely insane that they are both murderers and are just don't and don't know it and are just like hanging out in the same. Wait. Jack's a murderer too?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Well, he hanged Spader.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He killed Spader Prime.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, because he thought that Spader prime was gonna say that he was the murderer. That's self defense.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

That was self defense.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, this is a take that only works from the front seat of a Tesla. He was like, what are you talking about?

[Paul Scheer]

He was like, I didn't kill her. I didn't kill her. And then Spade, he's like, oh, this guy's going to up everything. I've been studying to be a doctor. This guy's going to. I'm going to be. He's like, I got to kill this guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Got to track him down and kill him multiple Ways. This is, this is the wildest of takes.

[Paul Scheer]

I just think that it was a one time thing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's enough. It's enough that he killed one Spader. Never mind that he goes after the.

[Paul Scheer]

Other one because they won't leave him alone. He's like, I didn't do anything. I'm a good doctor. The guy likes my work. I'm just trying to succeed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I bought a girl a book. I didn't rape anybody.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm giving out $200 portions in the house.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah, but Paul, why does that guy have a pre made noose ready at the office?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I always suggest everyone carry that, especially if you live in la.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Okay, he killed him in the church doctor's office, Right? Okay, so. So they were fighting, they're grappling over the phone. He called the police, he said, hello, I think I know who it was. Hang up. And then he drags him to the other side of the church where a noose is coiled up in weight.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that was after Easter services.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, do you think they hung Christ?

[Paul Scheer]

I grew up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is that what you.

[Paul Scheer]

I grew up in church. Did you go to Greek Orthodox?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait a minute.

[Paul Scheer]

A lot of people say put on a cross. No. How do they get him up there? They got him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Get him up there and then they throw plates at his feet.

[Lisa Gilroy]

That actually makes perfect sense. The cross should just be for Christ. It's his symbol. It's like he was killed and then the church is asked to follow and to die for Christ. That's something we got to do ourselves. That's noose.

[Paul Scheer]

That's not, that's not 100%.

[Lisa Gilroy]

We should start wearing little noose around our necks.

[Paul Scheer]

You go out with that theory, I go out with my Jack the Ripper series. We're going to make a lot of friends. What now? Spader 2 moves to LA, but seemingly is packed like Indiana Jones packs the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Like, why is he packing a wooden shipping.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A wooden shipping crate? He works at Foot Locker.

[Paul Scheer]

What was that about?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What is that?

[Paul Scheer]

He works at Foot Locker.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's working at Foot Locker or the equivalent thereof, has like genuine old stuff, cool wooden crates in his apartment with a gun inside.

[Lisa Gilroy]

It's like the kind of a crate that you order like a exotic monkey in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, yes. Or I guess a non exotic monkey could come in it as well.

[Lisa Gilroy]

No, I meant like a little sexy one that strips.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, okay.

[Paul Scheer]

But like what is he wearing before he strips? Like an astronaut costume?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Depends what the theme is.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, I like that. I Mean the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You have the hypnosis scene.

[Paul Scheer]

Ah, yes, of course I do.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Also, how come. Do we anymore describe things as stiff as a board? Like, is a board a measure of stiffness anymore? Do we still talk in boards?

[Lisa Gilroy]

What are you literally talking about? Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

See?

[Lisa Gilroy]

No, See a board. There's nothing stiffer. We still have those.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We do, yes. I don't hear people talking about this stiffness of things as it relates to.

[Paul Scheer]

Have you ever heard people go, stiff as a board, light as a feather? I don't think that this changed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You don't think so? You think kids now are still saying stiff is a board?

[Paul Scheer]

I don't think it's coming up that much.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hey, lady, don't get testy with me.

[Paul Scheer]

I hear a lot of kids say stiff is an Android. Yes, but this is 19. This is 1988. Here's the hypnotist scene with Robert Picardo. Yeah, we love Robert Picardo.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, Richard, your left arm is as stiff as a board. Oh, yeah.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Jason's fuming.

[Paul Scheer]

That happened quick.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, absurd.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Say one thing. You think that's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Relax your arm. Place it back in your lap. Now I'm going to lead you back to the clinic. It's dark. It's effective. What is it, Richard? Tell me what you. He's so good.

[Paul Scheer]

Richard, Richard, Richard. It's all right, Richard. It's all right.

[Lisa Gilroy]

So hot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, that's electric to watch, right? I mean, but he is so compelled. The only other, like. And I mean this when I say, like, I do think he is one of the great actors of this generation and. And one of the only people who, as well as having some of the most unreal good looks, is willing to do Nic Cage level nonsense at all times.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I was also thinking. I was like, what a fucking.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What an incredible guy.

[Paul Scheer]

In a different world, too, he could have had a Christopher Walken career, too, because he's doing, like. There's an intensity there that's kind of just amazing. But I also don't understand this from a plot point of view. He is tied to his twin. I get that. I get that idea. But when he's hypnotized, he then transfers into the twin's body.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Okay, I have to help you guys, because you're confused. So everybody seems to be having a problem with the twin of it all. So I was raised on, like, Olsen and Olsen Detective Agency.

[Paul Scheer]

Got it. Love it. She should have hired me and Lindsay.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Lohan playing two girls, and the Olsen girls going to camp and all that stuff. So usually what happens is one girl's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, are these movies still available?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Not for you, pervert.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Lisa Gilroy]

One girl's British and she's rich and the other girl wears a backwards hat, like stuff like that. It's simply easy to understand. And of course, all twins are connected. And yes, if you hypnotize them, they will see the murder of the other twin, as evidenced by both Olsens in It Takes Two.

[Paul Scheer]

That was a shocking scene. And that's why it got an NC17 on the original cut. Here's something you should. You might want to know too. Identical twins don't have identical fingerprints.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Someone's never been fingered by a twin because let me tell you, you can feel it.

[Paul Scheer]

I thought I was. I thought I was. And then I fingerprinted them afterwards.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Somewhere, somewhere, someone is like, hang on.

[Paul Scheer]

I would love that twin prank. Just one person pretending to be twins instead of two people pretending to be one. Oh, it must have been my twin.

[Lisa Gilroy]

That's such a good idea. I was like, is it too late for me to start that?

[Paul Scheer]

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[Lisa Gilroy]

I would like you to meet Ares.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

You think you're in control of this?

[Paul Scheer]

You're not. On October 10th, what are you?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Lisa Gilroy]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Lisa Gilroy]

No.

[Paul Scheer]

Tim, but like, I mean like that's what we're like. But we're chasing this thing the entire time. And we get to see these great James Spader fight scenes where he punches like a Hail Hitler. Like he punches up. I've never seen a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He flips the 260 pound man over his back and then ends it by double nut kicking him. He just, in order to hobble the guy, he just kicks him hard in the nuts twice. Spader is never on screen for any action. No strikes, no nothing. They have scenes where his legs just come into fray legs and hits, strikes come into frame that Spader is not doing.

[Paul Scheer]

Spader is. I mean what I really love this movie is when he is just acting in the environment. Like when he goes into his brother's house and he looks at the bookshelf and he's looking at the books and they're just medical books and you think, oh, is this important? No, they're just medical books. There's nothing telling about that. Yeah, he's a medical student and those are the books. Like there's, you know, but it's like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But it's so compelling. And then in those boring nothing scenes, I'm still like, I'll watch this fucker do whatever he wants.

[Paul Scheer]

When he like picks up a picture that I think is of himself and then looks at himself in the mirror is like, I've aged. It's like, yes, that's your child.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Can we talk about this because what the fuck was that picture? A picture of him marrying the sex worker who got killed. He took her to prom.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh.

[Lisa Gilroy]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, what?

[Paul Scheer]

I did not get that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Paul Scheer]

I was looking at.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There's even more connection.

[Lisa Gilroy]

So wait. Okay. Oh, whoa, wait.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Denise.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Wait. So. So.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

I did not put that together.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He doesn't even know she's dead.

[Paul Scheer]

That he does.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, which Spader is that?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Prime.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh. Oh, okay. All right. Assholes.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so Spader. I thought it was the other.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I thought it was second spader. This is why. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm figuring it out. I'm figuring it out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This audience is getting on my nerves.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Wait, wait, wait. Okay, wait. I'm draw. I have it. I had it for a second. I understood the movie for one moment. He's prime Spader. He's a doctor. He's in the office. He goes, I'd like to take a closer look at that pregnant prostitute. Like, he's interested. And we go, oh. And we're like, oh, it's because he's gonna kill her tonight. On the night where he's supposed to kill a pregnant sex worker, but instead, the twist is he's like, I took her to prom and I'd love to say hello again. So I'm gonna go find her personal medical file and pay her a visit at her home tonight.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think that's. I think that's. Now what's going on? Wait, wait, wait.

[Paul Scheer]

No, wait.

[Lisa Gilroy]

This is the night he's picked to go visit Daryl Hanna in her home to say, remember me? We went to prom together, but he runs into a co worker who was just there giving an abortion and another co worker who was just on the way out from killing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But he.

[Paul Scheer]

But he's not a killer, though.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's not a killer at all.

[Lisa Gilroy]

No, he just wanted to say hi.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We're going to reconnect.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, weird, weird way to reconnect.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because what's so weird about it is.

[Paul Scheer]

This because she's a foot in front of his desk.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. Why does it say like, oh, they're like they're remembering calm right here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You understand?

[Lisa Gilroy]

You tell that to my pimp.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, boy, care about your unborn child.

[Lisa Gilroy]

He's like, prom, I know her from prom.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In my office.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Wait, how? He's like, wait, didn't we. We go to prom together?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's like. He's like, thank you, by the way, for letting me wear a blazer as my doctor's jacket.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Oh, this is so insane.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It is so crazy. The Movie that is again set in Los Angeles, the city where we now are posits a world in which every. Everybody lives in a three block radius of each other. By the way, once again, second, Spader moves across the park from this location.

[Paul Scheer]

Hermione. Hermione lived half a block away from my old house. And I was. I wanted to drive by today at the Shakespeare Bridge. Yes. It was so exciting. I wanted to go over.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Loved it. Loved seeing. I loved the driving around Los Angeles of this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, it's basically an Echo park movie, right? I mean, that's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There was a bunch of stuff. There was also Hollywood and Holly. That section, that's the movie theaters. Hollywood and vine there kind of. No, not Vine.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Where the Cubs used to play.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Where the Cubs used to play before.

[Paul Scheer]

They moved to Chicago. Now, does he know that in that, like, Triple X theater there they. This guy just sells guns, or is it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Does he know that.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, he used to be in the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Game because he used to be a bad boy, I guess. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

So it's like, since he's left and come back, he's like, yeah, well, you can always buy a gun off of that guy. Why?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why? Here's my question. Wouldn't it make more sense if there was good Spader and bad Spader? Why isn't bad Spader just a bad guy? Why does he work at Foot Locker? And it's not because he's like. Later in the thing, he's like, look at these treads.

[Lisa Gilroy]

That's what I thought was gonna happen.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Look at. I think. I think our killer is wearing sauconyes. Where did my. Where did my brother see sauconies while he was getting strangled?

[Lisa Gilroy]

I think they were setting this up to be a Nickelodeon movie. And then something went badly wrong because they were gonna be like, it's funny. There's a doctor brother and a shoe brother. And wouldn't it be funny if they got hypnotized and had to swap lives?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The street life of Spader and Spader.

[Lisa Gilroy]

And then the shoe brothers. Like, I'm doing surgery, I don't know how to do this. And then the doctor brother's in the shoe store and he's like, well, I can sell you shoes, but you know what?

[Paul Scheer]

I think you're right. Because even the opening title sequence, like the Jack's back is written in a fun font. It's not written in, like, Jack's back. It's like Jack's back.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It also. You also understand, like, what is Jack's back? There's like there's character Jack. They talk about Jack the Ripper, obviously Jack the Ripper, but also, second, Spader is back in town. He. There's. There's too much. There's too many competing elements that are the same bit or game.

[Lisa Gilroy]

You know what else it could be? Remember the movie Jack?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. It was Robin Williams.

[Lisa Gilroy]

So that's a little boy who's in a big man's body.

[Paul Scheer]

Can I tell you something about Robin Williams? Just something fun.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Don't give him an applause break for that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you have the scene where Spader's in his brother's apartment?

[Paul Scheer]

I do. I want to show you one thing. Before Ginsburg, did you guys notice this? The My Buddy doll?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, wow.

[Paul Scheer]

There's a My Buddy doll in the cop office. And I was like, what is that?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you want to tell. Is it a My Buddy? Yes, it is a striped shirt. Do you want to tell Lisa what a My Buddy is and your relationship to it?

[Paul Scheer]

I.

[Lisa Gilroy]

This is something you fucked when you were a kid?

[Paul Scheer]

Oddly more disturbing.

[Lisa Gilroy]

It you.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My Buddy. My Buddy.

[Paul Scheer]

I asked my buddy and me. He goes to my. I asked.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Is that why 50 Cent made a song like that? It's a joke. Do you know the 50 Cent song? It's like, My Buddy, My Buddy. Wherever I go, he goes. It's about a gun.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, wow. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

[Lisa Gilroy]

So isn't it so crazy, the difference between, like, a cool girl and, like, guys who are not cool?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You didn't even know it's My Buddy the doll.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I like. I carry my doll around.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, Lisa, I was gonna tell you. I begged my parents for My Buddy because I had no friends on my block or anybody to hang out with, and I just wanted to have a buddy.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Aw.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now don't you feel stupid?

[Lisa Gilroy]

I feel bad. And Paul, I want to tell you something. I had a Susie Stretch. Did you guys have this, or was it just, like, a bad Canada toy?

[Paul Scheer]

Whoa. I want to know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is it like a Stretch Armstrong type of a? Like, you could pull this.

[Lisa Gilroy]

She was a doll, but she had, like, accordion arms. So, like, when she was in her resting place, she was like this.

[Paul Scheer]

A resting place.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Did she come with a coffin?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, like, bring me to my resting place.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Kate. She. She. You can.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Each doll calls, comes with a wooden coffin and shovel.

[Paul Scheer]

Stiff as a board in a resting place.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A chisel and a block of granite make her headstone.

[Lisa Gilroy]

That would have been more fun than what she was.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my God.

[Lisa Gilroy]

She. Her shoes were like, secretly slippers. And so she's this big she's like a baby, basically, right? And so I could wear her shoes. Like feet. Like shoes. I could slip my feet into her feet and I could put my hands into her hands. And then I'd stretch her up big like this. And she'd be the same size as me, but we'd be face to face, walking around the house together.

[Paul Scheer]

This is terrifying, okay?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is honest to God terror. What are you talking about?

[Lisa Gilroy]

I still.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait. Is that how it's supposed to be.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Played with Susie Stretch?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is that how it's supposed to be played with? Or that's just what you were doing?

[Lisa Gilroy]

I don't. I didn't know how else to play with her. And I can still remember her, like hard plastic head against my head.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Whoa. I don't like it. I don't want it. I don't. Oh, it's on Etsy. Okay, it's on Etsy.

[Lisa Gilroy]

There she is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How about YouTube for a commercial?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah, commercial.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right there, right there. It's 1995. Yes. Yes. All of our dreams have come true. Full screen. Watch your stretch from your feet Never misses a moon with her arms around.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Your waist and her toes to your.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Feet Susie Dress stretches and she's huggibly sweet really stretches. Then when nighttime falls and your dance.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Is complete Good night.

[Paul Scheer]

Ah. Suy Stress.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What? New from Irwin. What? Holy.

[Paul Scheer]

Holy.

[Lisa Gilroy]

You.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, what's just. And I don't know if you remember this, but what's just abundantly clear is it just looks like she's going down on every little girl. It just looks like you fastened her head to your crotch.

[Lisa Gilroy]

That girl was too tall so you could do the same size as her and you.

[Paul Scheer]

That is more scary than anything that we saw in this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would. I would believe Susie Stretch is Jack the Ripper more than Su. Oh. Another. Another girl has been stretched in Los Angeles. Wow. Wow. Lieutenant, we found her. She was stretched.

[Paul Scheer]

Stretched to death. Let's go out to the crowd and talk to y'. All. What do you got? All right. Michael here recommended this movie. He's in the audience tonight. If you have a question, Michael, I'll come to you, obviously, as well, but. All right, Tim, I'm going back to you. All right, what do you got?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So with the killer, it's Jack's back.

[Paul Scheer]

He's copycatting Jack the Ripper. They're all about.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's gotta be tonight.

[Paul Scheer]

It's gotta be in her house.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's gotta be a pregnant woman. That's the final murder.

[Paul Scheer]

He goes to the house, he murders her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, his opus is complete, the headline came true, he's got all the glory he needs.

[Paul Scheer]

Why does he go kill Hermione?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, like, why does he want to kill the female doctor that Spader is running around with in her BMW? Like, why? Why? Because he's just, I think, creeping on her. Like that's who's watching her through the window in some way or was she.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Onto him or something?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I don't. Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. Also, when he killed the woman that had just gotten the abortion, she technically wasn't pregnant anymore.

[Paul Scheer]

I just wanna. Can I just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now, hang on. Now, hang on.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, actually, what makes sense is Mary Kelly the Ripper's final victim was not pregnant at the time of the murder.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, okay.

[Paul Scheer]

It's a popular claim, but there's no historical documents to prove that she was pregnant.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, wow.

[Paul Scheer]

So this movie is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why do you have so much, so much, frankly, gross information about it?

[Paul Scheer]

It's my hobby. My hobby is Jack.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How come all those papers are printed out from your blog?

[Paul Scheer]

They're just photocopies of my writings. These are my writings. Yes. Hi, what's your name? What's your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm David. My theory is in the scene where he's getting hypnotized, the second half of that scene is him experiencing what happened to his brother, slipping back into that moment before he's. What? He's being killed? That's real. But the first portion of that is something that is totally different. It's him.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Unbeknownst to everybody else, when he was like running with the Latin Kings, you know, when he was younger, he came into like the habit of auto erotic asphyxiation. So in that first part, he's waiting. What's going on? Let him cook, David. Let him cook. So when he's slipping back into that memory, he's like, hold up, this is kind of working for me. So he's in that moment where his brother's getting choked out and he's like getting off on it and he's actually. That's his O face. He's coming as he's getting hypnotized. And then after he comes, he slips back into the scene and then he experiences the death of his brother.

[Paul Scheer]

I think you're 100% right on. Can you come here? What are you guys thinking?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

David, please come to every show and tell us which scene contained that actor's o face. Our O Face correspondent, David.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Hi. What's your name? What's your question?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Corey, I think more attention needs to be paid on when he grabbed her by the hair at the end and she went flying. Yes. Like, into the pillows. Because I rewound that like three times.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, why does he have super strength? He is an old man. And I'm saying that as an old man because I bet if I looked it up, the actor playing Sidney is younger than I am currently. When shooting this movie would be my guess. Based on that time, I looked up Wilford Brimley in a movie we did and he was one year older than me at the time, which I have not recovered from.

[Paul Scheer]

I believe Danny Glover is 44 in the first Lethal Weapon where he's too old for this shit. Yeah, that's a very disturbing fact. And he also. The age was a different time back then. All right, Michael, you're over here. Where are you? All right, so Michael's the one who brought it to us. Thank you, Michael, for recommending this movie. Want to make sure that you get a chance to offer up any thoughts. Thank you, Paul.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just want to give a shout out to my brother in law, Chris, who I watched this movie with last March. I have.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Are you guys identical?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No. Brother in law. Brother in law. Yeah, that's true. Could be, pop.

[Paul Scheer]

But their fingerprints do match. Weird.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Don't ask my sister how she figured that out. That's right, Michael. You don't take shit from these idiots. That's right. They've been acting crazy all night. Real quick, did you notice what the name of the shoe store was, Jason? What was it?

[Paul Scheer]

Second Soul.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, okay. Because he's the second soul of Prime Spade. Got it.

[Paul Scheer]

Why?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Honestly, this audience sucks.

[Paul Scheer]

I am going to believe. I'm going to believe that this movie did not have the budget to do that. And there is a actual clothing. This shoe store called. Because it's like your business shoe and then your casual shoe.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, we'll look up that at one point.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so real question. When Dark Spader is flashing back during the hypnosis, when he zooms up into the hypnotist's house.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. When he's having his orgasm scene, when.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Robert Ricardo is hanging with his mom in a man in a mansion somewhere, he looks. It looks as though Spader has arrived at like a 1950s mansion. Like in the middle of the night. Robert McCarthy's wearing like a dress, like a smoking jacket or something. I was perplexed. So he flashes back and sees through Prime Spader's eyes the doctor winking at him from behind the curtain while he's being strung up. So is he seeing it from a third person specifically? No, that's what his brother saw when he was seeing it through his brother's eyes.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, thank you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So he's just seeing more of the event now, including the fact that Sidney, the creepy doctor was there wearing Saucony's. Which Spader. Bad Spader is like, fuck, shoes are my superpower. So that means two things. That means two things. One, that Prime Spader took the time to check out the shoes that he was wearing, and that he knew that Sidney was behind the murder before he died.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's the thing he could have said. I know it's not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You let me down.

[Paul Scheer]

So I don't think it was a technical murder.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

Cause he knew, and he didn't let on that he knew like who.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So wait, you want justice for Jack? Yeah, the reverse.

[Paul Scheer]

Jack was forced to. Jack was forced to kill.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, finally, I'm gonna vindicate you a little bit. Jack the Ripper was a bad guy, and Jack was a murderer. Don't point at me. I'm not Jack. However, I think that you were correct that they were working together in a Palpatine. Anakin. But it was about the abortions. He knew that he was going out and doing the abortions and saying, good work. But why?

[Lisa Gilroy]

No, no, no, no. Come up here and fight me. Cause the guy, the Christmas carol man, who is the bad, grumpy man who works at the clinic, the actual Jack.

[Paul Scheer]

The Ripper copycat killer.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. He said, think of your unborn child like he was like a pro life.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's too pro life. I agree.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. And then the other guy, the abortion giver, was also not a good guy because he was just doing it for money on the side. The only good guy that would give you an abortion that would actually feel good would be Spader.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Spader Prime. Spader Prime.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah, I think.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, I did kind of want Bad Spader to, like, impersonate his brother at some point and try and do doctor's stuff. Yeah, that would have been cool.

[Paul Scheer]

Hi. What's her name?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Dominique.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, and what's your question?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Well, I think I can put it all together.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I love.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I love this.

[Lisa Gilroy]

The psychiatrist actually also hypnotized the main doctor of the clinic.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Lisa Gilroy]

And he was influencing Jack, the other medical guy.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Lisa Gilroy]

And so they were kind of. We're kind of working together.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, including the hypnotist. So you think they're all together?

[Lisa Gilroy]

It doesn't make any other sense for.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Him to get so mad when he's.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Like, you know, who did it? And then he, like, pulls out the gun and is about to shoot him.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, well, that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought that too, because that's when I thought the movie was trying to tell us. And I do think the movie is trying to obfuscate things more. I felt like the moment when Robert Picardo is reaching the gun, insane. You think, you know, is meant to make us feel like, oh, maybe it's him. That's what I thought it to.

[Paul Scheer]

So, all right, so what we're saying is Robert Ricardo is the main villain. He is hypnotizing people to go out and do his bidding. So they don't even know. That's why the guy's got dark circles under his eyes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And he lives with his mother, Dominique. I'm not sure. I don't know if that's it. I mean, if they're all.

[Paul Scheer]

All the murderers live with their moms is what we heard.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. And he's hypnotized his mom to keep paying the mortgage and buying him the cereal he likes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would love it. I would love it if it's revealed that they are.

[Paul Scheer]

Mom. I said give me a Sally Stretch, not a My buddy. Yes. Okay, yes. What's your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I'm Michael number two. I'm an anesthesiologist. And I just wanted to bring up three things that are accurate in the movie. Short white coats for medical students, second attendings. When you're going through that whole process, you don't work for them. They can't fire you. They kind of own you, and you're like, basically like slave labor for them. And if you told one of them to fuck off, they would probably try to murder you in your sleep like Hermione. And lastly, as a Latino man, a Latino mother waking up in her 70s to see if you're okay in the middle of the night. Completely accurate. Especially in Los Angeles. Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, now we've really tied it all to. I mean, there's nothing else to say. Wow, wow, wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's just getting up in the middle of the night to do some hypnotizing. You've got to hypnotize me. What a crazy thing to show up in the middle. You. You just gotta hypnotize me. Don't make me think I'm a chicken.

[Paul Scheer]

Obviously, we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for some second opinions.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Hi, my name is Stephanie. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Some folks are dumb.

[Lisa Gilroy]

They don't know real Art stars. They give one or two. Amazon asks, how good was this film? Oh, they say the fans are fools. No, it ain't three. It ain't three.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It ain't even number four. Four.

[Lisa Gilroy]

It ain't three. It ain't three.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'll only give it five stars.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Amazing.

[Paul Scheer]

Great job.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

[Paul Scheer]

While our singers were singing, I was able to do some research and I found. Found out indeed. Second Soul is a shoe store that does exist for runners in la.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It doesn't matter who.

[Paul Scheer]

It doesn't make a difference. Yeah, but there we go. But it probably was in la. Yep. So there we go. Let me give you this here. The average rating of this movie is 4.6 out of 5 stars. 76 reviews are 5 star reviews. Only 2% are 1 star. And this will start off with gov. Gov writes, why do people in the 80s hate curtains? Five stars.

[Lisa Gilroy]

True. It's true.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Very true.

[Paul Scheer]

Carol wrote James Spader as a blonde in this walked so Carmi from the Bear could run. Five stars.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Interesting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're both kind of jack Little guys.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yeah. And they do kind of do like, just like. Like weird stuff with their tongues sometimes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Doesn't. Don't they kind of go like sometimes.

[Paul Scheer]

You got some solid.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, they both do. Lizard.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I don't know. I was noticing what James Peter was doing with his tongue.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh yeah. Okay. Very cool. Very. Couple other people noticed it as well. You might want to like to start a little club.

[Paul Scheer]

From a review that it says, reviewed in Japan in 2019. James Spader. I am good at acting. I watched it. The story itself was different from my imagination looking at the jacket. And it was quite interesting. It may be because I'm dull, but I didn't know the true culprit until the end. And I was pounding the floor watching it. There's no good things in movies right now. There were no Japanese subtitles or dubbing. But I'm not good at English. I enjoyed it. It's a movie. I want to watch it. I was glad to watch it. Five stars.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Incredible. That made more sense than anything Mantzoukas has said this entire show.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How dare you?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Sorry?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How dare you? Because my English isn't so good.

[Lisa Gilroy]

No, your English is perfect. Your ideas are stupid and bad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How dare you.

[Paul Scheer]

Now I. I did ask somebody about this film. I told Ms. June, Diane Rayfield. I said, the movie that we are doing. She said, please forgive. She's wearing a wig. She's in full costume. She's in a period piece show. I gave her the title and the year. And I said, you tell us what it's about.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Hi. How did this get made, listeners? And hi, people of Largo. Paul and Jason told me that this movie's called Jack's Back. Jack Spack and that. And they asked if I could figure out what the movie was about, just based on the title alone in the year, which is 1988. Now, of course, initially I thought, oh, it's probably about a dad named Jack who dies early too soon, and every winter comes back as a snowman. And the moral being snow dad is better than no dad. But then that sounded too familiar and too reminiscent of a different movie. So I don't think it's that. I think Jack is Jack of Jack and Jill. And he's a killer doll. He's a killer doll. And he's thrown away when his owner, sort of like Andy and Toy Story, was coming of age, who's discarded rather rudely and unceremoniously. And he's back. He's back. He's never forgotten what's happened, and he's ready to seek revenge. Jack's back.

[Paul Scheer]

Great.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Incredible.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would watch that.

[Paul Scheer]

Jack's Back.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I can't believe you got such a hot woman to do this stupid show.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh. Any final thoughts?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you have any of the other scenes that have music in them? The saxophone?

[Paul Scheer]

I might.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There was just some next level 80s saxophone stuff. While Spader's, like, sitting on his porch petting a cat.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

In between shifts at Second Soul.

[Paul Scheer]

I did want to talk. I did want to talk about this scene. This is the one scene before we go that I think is worthy of chatting about.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Isn't it a little late?

[Paul Scheer]

This is an emergency. May we come in?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm not really dressed. That's okay.

[Paul Scheer]

We're police officers.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not a lot's changed. La.

[Lisa Gilroy]

This scene pissed me off. But I also. I'm, like, at odds with myself because I also was the same person who was so mad that he jangled the gate when she was about to take her bra off. So I was like, I was looking forward to seeing tits. And then later I was like, those cops are so rude.

[Paul Scheer]

It seems that the cops are into being pervs. Like, they are like, yeah, man, they're creeps.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're trigger happy creeps.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, well, we don't have to be that rude about them. I mean, people said a lot of bad things about Jack the Ripper.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, God.

[Paul Scheer]

And two of them we know are not true. Any final thoughts on the film? Any final anything?

[Lisa Gilroy]

I loved the movie. And I love you guys and I'm glad you made me watch it.

[Paul Scheer]

So happy that you're here. It's so great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I had a blast. I, I, you know, we've had to watch so, so many bad movies that are truly bad and a slog. This was a delight. Not once did I have a note that was like, how Is there still 45 minutes left? I more was like, it's over already.

[Paul Scheer]

I literally sat down.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was like, for the soundtrack.

[Paul Scheer]

I sat down. I sat down. I was like, I'll watch 30 minutes. I'll get this out of the way, and then I'll watch some more later. I watched the whole thing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I didn't move. I didn't move. I was sad I hadn't seen it when it came out and I was 16 years old.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I'm surprised you like it so much because didn't you keep calling it, like, loof Glalius?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, what?

[Lisa Gilroy]

Loof Glanius. Luff Glarius.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Loof Glarius.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Luff Glari. Linius. Looprupgriaisque.

[Paul Scheer]

Laborious.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Loquacious.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Lugubrious.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Lugubrious.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Loof. Loof Luke.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Well, that's the shirtless Glius.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's, it's, it's a picture of Lisa. And it just says Luf Grailius, question mark.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Erik's disease.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that's your and. Or that's as if you're Hermione. And that's a spell.

[Lisa Gilroy]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

That is the shirt. All right, thank you, everybody. Good night.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We love you.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you so much, everybody. Really nice of you. Thank you so much. Give it for Lisa. Thank you, everybody.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thanks for having me.

[Lisa Gilroy]

I love you guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Eat shit, la.

[Paul Scheer]

Thanks again to the hilarious Lisa Gilroy for filling in for June. And a huge thank you to our pals at Largo, Flanny, Griffey, Alec in the booth, and our recording engineer, Brendan Burns. We'll be back in Los Angeles at Largo for two shows on October 22nd and 23rd. So go to hdtgm.com to get your tickets because they will sell out. Now, our T shirt for this show is pretty special. It says Lu Felius with a graphic of Lisa as Hermione casting a spell. To get this design on a shirt or sticker or mug or many other types of products, just click on the merch [e-mail] and as always, if you have a correction or omission for this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619p a u l a s k. Or write a comment on our discord at discord gg hdtgm and I'll respond to your messages next week on Last Looks. My book Joyful Recollections of Trauma is available wherever you get your books, ebooks, audiobooks. You can even get a personalized book. Just head to my website. And now my book is at Hudson News, which honestly is a true highlight. As an author to be in an airport bookstore, that really means that you made it. I want to shout out that weapons is now on vod. So if you missed June in the theater, here is your chance to catch it all again. And remember, if you're listening to our show on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it. And last but not least, I got to thank our entire team for who the show could not be done without. I'm talking about our producers, Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, our movie baking producer Avril Halley, and our engineer, Casey Holford. That's all I got people. See you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now. Adam Pally here and I'm John Gabris. We're a couple actors and best friends who you may know as the host of the TV show 101 Places to Party before you die. Now we're bringing you a comedic look at health and wellness with our new show, Staying Alive.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We'll have guests like our friend, actor.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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