Jade (Classic)

Summary

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How Did This Get Made? – Jade (Classic)

Released: March 31, 2026
Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas

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Episode Overview

The central theme of this episode is a hilarious, in-depth breakdown of the 1995 erotic thriller "Jade." Paul, June, and Jason revisit this misbegotten Joe Eszterhas–scripted, William Friedkin–directed film about sex scandals, murder, blackmail, and a mysterious woman known only as Jade. The trio reflects on the film’s nonsensical plot, bizarre sexual politics, 90s genre tropes, and the lasting cultural (and anatomical!) impressions it left behind. Along the way, they explore period-specific anxieties, the mechanics (and branding) of sex pillows, the evolution of erotic thrillers, and puzzlingly absent ginger representation in Hollywood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introducing Jade: A Reviewer’s Perspective

• [02:03] Instead of a typical plot breakdown, Paul reads a passionate Amazon review from 2001:

  “It’s a nice movie if you like Basic Instinct or Bound or Eyes Wide Shut, which are better. You might like this one. I love it. [...] It’s also still a lot better than any porn movie because those bore you after five minutes. And this one will not. It’s not a porno. Five star review.”
  (— Jusellino Liberato d’Aquino, [03:02])

• Sets the tone for the show and highlights how Jade fits into the 90s erotic thriller boom.

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2. The Erotic Thriller Era & Jade’s Place Within It

• [04:18–07:41] Jason and June place Jade in the canon of 80s/90s sex-soaked thrillers:
  • Written by Joe Eszterhas (Basic Instinct, Showgirls) and directed by Friedkin (The French Connection, The Exorcist).
  • David Caruso’s notorious leap from NYPD Blue to (ill-fated) movie stardom.
  • The familiar genre beats: “The incredibly wealthy, the machinations of the incredibly wealthy sexually, and then complete disregard for life.” (Jason, [07:41])
  • Erotic thrillers’ recurring tropes: women with both sexual and professional power, secret cabals, and undercurrents of blackmail.

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3. Personal Reactions, Nostalgia & Family Awkwardness

• [05:56–07:40] June describes “muscle memory” of watching steamy thrillers with her parents — “having to sit through sex scenes with them… all of it was so familiar. [...] I've never seen this movie, but I've also seen this movie many times.”
• The trio delight in how movies like Jade are basically “aspirational porn” for middle-aged audiences of the 90s.
• [12:19] June: “I was having the same flashbacks of watching these sex scenes with my parents watching them with him. [...] It was, like, uncomfortable."

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4. Insane Plot Logistics & Character Confusion

• [07:41–11:10] Jason and June express confusion over basic character roles:
  • Caruso is a DA but acts like a cop, involved in car chases & busting into crime scenes.
  • Paul: “He runs investigations like a straight up cop.”
  • The genre’s habit of condensing huge city power-structures into a cast of 12 interconnected people.
• The cast runs down standout archetypal performances (shout-out to Ken King’s “Wilford Brimley cop”) and the magnetic allure of Linda Fiorentino as Jade.

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5. Unsettling Details & 90s Kink: The Pubic Hair Lockets

• [14:14–16:48] A deep dive into the film’s notorious “pube boxes,” introduced as a plot detail:
  • “He had a bureau, and on top of the bureau were little lockets filled with women's pubic hair. And when this movie delivers that as one of the first plot points... I was like, ‘Oh, my god.’” (Paul, [15:13])
  • Jason: “There was a volume in each of those silver boxes... they are chock full of pubes. [...] You open it and pubes explode!” ([15:57–16:12])
• June becomes genuinely nauseated, highlighting the in-your-face, unnecessary excess of the detail — and how it barely factors into the plot.

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6. Sexual Power, Gender Norms, and 90s Sexuality On Screen

• [17:44–18:48] June laments the redundant imagery of female sexuality: “That was my first experience of what a woman’s sexuality was: seeing multiple women in movies like this just give blowjobs, like, immediately,” and how movies taught women to literally “start sucking his dick immediately.”
• Jason: “These men are so powerful... they don’t even have to engage in flirting, pleasantries, foreplay. [...] It’s just transactional.”
• The group notes how Jade and its ilk present sex as something only for the super-wealthy and entirely transactional.

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7. The “Double Ginger” Scene and Ginger Representation

• [19:51–21:37] June and Jason note:
  • Jade features a rare “double ginger” scene — two redheaded actors on screen together (“This is, you know, for a long time people thought that you couldn’t do it because the people wouldn’t watch it. And this movie proved them right.” — Jason, [19:59])
  • The rarity prompts a side discussion of redhead casting and their “box office viability.”

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8. Absurd Action, 90s Costuming, and Miscasting

• [21:47–24:16]
  • Jade’s action sequences are widely mocked (“The car chases are terrible, terrible.” — Jason, [22:48])
  • The 90s fashion choices, especially Caruso’s “green on green on green” leprechaun look, are ridiculed.
  • The hosts debate the film’s key castings and agree only Linda Fiorentino is truly right for her role.

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9. The “Sex Pillow” Sequence – An Extended Digression

• [33:14–44:00]
  • The group fixates on an inflatable sex pillow found at a crime scene, dissecting its purpose, construction, and onscreen presentation (“It looked like a travel pillow... it looked like it had one of those little plastic things that you blow up.” — June, [43:31])
  • Paul sketches possible pillow designs for branded merchandise, leading to riotous stick-figure sex art.
  • Jason: “This is insane… this might be the first How Did This Get Made T-shirt I buy.” ([41:25])
  • Insightful and hilarious exploration of sex toy product placement in 90s thrillers.

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10. Frozen Pizza & Fuck House Logistics

• [45:06–47:17]
  • The trio is bemused by the bedroom fridge stocked with champagne, caviar, and especially frozen Wolfgang Puck pizza.
  • June: “If you’re going to a fuck house... you might need to sustain yourself. So I actually appreciated that there was a pizza there.” ([47:06])
  • Jason: “My problem is, like, the caviar, the champagne, these are bedroom things. But, like, a Wolfgang Puck pizza?” ([47:25])

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11. Women’s Roles, Sex Work, and Plot Logic

• [49:20–52:12] Jason asks: Why is Jade, a high-powered professional, involved with the film’s sexual underworld?
  • Paul reveals behind-the-scenes changes:

    “Hester House writes this script and they offer it to Linda Fiorentino… she’s like, I don’t want to play a sex worker in this film. And Friedkin goes, don’t worry, I’ll rewrite it for you… So, it makes so much more sense. It’s written that she is also a sex worker.” ([50:26])

  • This last-minute rewrite and genre confusion helps explain the movie’s incoherence.
• They discuss the weird sexual triangle and ambiguous character motivations (“She can’t be Jade with him.” — June, [65:31])

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12. Villainy, Power Structures, and 90s Paranoia

• [62:15–66:47]
  • The Governor’s casual abuse of power is dissected (and his infamous line: “I don’t get fucked, I do the fucking.”)
  • June ties Jade’s depiction of elite impunity to real-world figures like Jeffrey Epstein: “I agree that… this was sort of a trope of the time… But when you think of Jeffrey Epstein and what happened there… I do wonder about these men in power and what they’re capable of.” ([63:10])
• The main villain “wins,” leaving the ending shockingly bleak.

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13. Absurd Mysteries, Plot Holes & The Ending

• [66:45–71:14] The hosts try to untangle the plot’s unresolved loose ends: the blackmail angles, missing evidence, and why characters keep getting murdered.
  • “It doesn’t make sense. And it ends so abruptly that you’re like, what did I just watch?” (Paul, [70:05])
  • Jason: “...the movie ends and the villain has won. The absolute gross villain has won. His wife is now trapped with him and David Caruso. I don’t even know... We don’t even end with David Caruso.” ([71:14])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the ginger-redhead pairing:
  Jason Manzoukas ([19:59]):
  "That's called a double ginger. And it's considered... you know, for a long time, people thought that you couldn't do it because the people wouldn't watch it. And this movie proved them right."

• Pubic Hair Boxes:
  Jason Manzoukas ([15:57]):
  "They’re not lockets, Paul. They’re boxes. And they’re little pill boxes or snuff boxes or something like that. They’re each engraved and they are chock full of pubes... It’s like the snakes in a can joke in that you open it and pubes explode!"

• On sex toy props:
  June Diane Raphael ([34:39]):
  “I do feel like for that kind of stuff, you want it, like, if someone walks in, you want it to look like it could just be a part of your decor.”

• Erotic thriller formula:
  Jason Manzoukas ([07:41]):
  “All exactly what you’re saying, June. Like, the incredibly wealthy. The machinations of the incredibly wealthy sexually. And then complete disregard for life.”

• About watching with parents:
  June Diane Raphael ([06:40]):
  "I don't think I've ever seen this movie, but I've also seen this movie many times."

• Caruso as DA but acting like a cop:
  Paul Scheer ([10:22]):
  “It’s bonkers that David Caruso in this film, whether it's—I mean, as he’s a DA—he runs investigations like a straight up cop, which, by the way, multiple car chases…”

• Frozen pizza in the fuck house:
  Jason Manzoukas ([46:49]):
  “If you want, I have a Wolfgang Puck pepper, peppers and sausage pizza that can go…”

• Absurd ending & villain’s victory:
  Jason Manzoukas ([71:04]):
  "...how often does that happen? The movie ends and the villain has won."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:03] — Amazon review intro
• [05:42] — June’s nostalgia & “adult drama with parents” reflections
• [07:41] — Discussion of erotic thriller genre tropes
• [14:14] — Pubic hair boxes/horrific set design
• [17:44] — On transactional 90s movie sex scenes
• [19:51] — The “double ginger” scene
• [21:47] — Cast and costuming critique, especially Caruso’s wardrobe
• [33:14–44:00] — Hilarious and detailed “sex pillow” breakdown and merch brainstorm
• [45:06] — Wolfgang Puck pizza & luxury sex abodes
• [49:20] — Why is Jade involved? (Character motivation confusion)
• [62:15] — Governor’s monologue: "I don't get fucked, I do the fucking."
• [66:45] — Attempting to map out the plot twist and ending
• [71:40] — Would the hosts recommend watching Jade?

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Conclusion & Recommendations

• The episode ends on the fitting note of “would you recommend watching Jade?” with a resounding yes—for laughs or as a time capsule of a genre and era that genuinely doesn’t exist anymore.
• Paul drops a wild trivia tidbit: “OJ Simpson was judged not guilty and said to the press he was excited to see Jade.” ([79:13])
• The hosts suggest also watching/covering genre contemporaries like Sliver, Body of Evidence, Showgirls, and cite the gaping holes and absurd logic of Jade as exactly the reason it’s so fun to dissect.

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Final Thoughts

A vibrant, uproariously detailed roast and nostalgic deep-dive into one of the wildest (and most under-baked) entries in the 90s erotic thriller canon—Jade—this episode is filled with raucous laughs, genuine confusion, and oddly affectionate reminiscence for an extinct movie species.
If you’ve never seen Jade, this episode both saves you the trouble and makes you want to witness its madness firsthand.

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Best quote for the spirit of the episode:
"I don't think I've ever seen this movie, but I've also seen this movie many times." – June Diane Raphael ([06:40])

Transcript

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Shear]

Critics are raving that it's a laugh riot future classic. Oh, that'll leave you in disbelief that

[Jason Manzukas]

they didn't get arrested. I have a feeling that right off the bat they're gonna ask for an encore.

[Paul Shear]

Watch it on digital now. Welcome to the house. We saw Jade, so you know what that means.

[Jason Manzukas]

Now it's time for good time.

[Paul Shear]

Celebrate some failure, not just be a hater. Cause you know, you wonder how to survey.

[Jason Manzukas]

Let's wallow in the mediocrity of Sab art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question how did this get made?

[Paul Shear]

Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to how did this get Made? I am Tal John Shear. I hope that intro gives Jason and June enough confidence in me that we're ready to handle this virtual live record. This is a great movie that we're going to talk about and normally I will break down the film in my clever little way of telling you what it's about, but I'm going to do something I've never done before and let an Amazon reviewer break down the film for you. This is from Jusellino Liberato d' Aquino, and it was from April 30, 2001, and he describes the film like this. It's a nice movie if you like Basic Instinct or bound or Eyes Wide Shut, which are better. You might like this one. I love it. Basically, the plot is there are millionaires taking part in orgies and having sex like most of us would like but are afraid of. And then there's someone blackmailing them and a mysterious dishy lady called Jade who is not afraid of exploring sex, who may or not be involved in the murder. Blackmail cases, there's great car chases, one of the best that I've ever seen. And the story is very interesting. But I warn you, if you get easily shocked or offended, you will hate it. But if you're like me and you love to watch movies for fun, you'll like it a lot. It's also still a lot better than any porn movie because those bore you after five minutes. And this one will not. It's not a porno. Five star review. And that is the. That that gives you a taste of what Jade is. I, I feel like that that is one of the best breakdowns of the film. Uh, let's get into talking about it right away with one of my co hosts, Mr. Jason Manzukas. How are you, Jason?

[Jason Manzukas]

Wow. Starting with, starting with second opinions is. Is bold. Total format shift. I mean, this is some wild stuff. This was watching this because I, you know, I remember when this movie came out, this was like a, you know, this was that era of erotic thrillers.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzukas]

This was again Joe Esterhaus who wrote A Basic Instinct. You've got William Friedkind directing like the, the, it, it came from like good auspices and then even this is. Is this the movie that David Caruso leaves NYPD Blue to sh. Is it this movie?

[Paul Shear]

It is this movie. And another movie called Kiss of Death. Two movies back to back in one year.

[Jason Manzukas]

Okay.

[Paul Shear]

I want to break in all that

[Jason Manzukas]

because David Crusoe so much that I, I, because I, I barely remember this movie until I put it on and I was like, oh, I remember all of this movie.

[Paul Shear]

Wow.

[Jason Manzukas]

And I was like this. And watching it, it felt like I, in my head had told more of a story of what I thought this movie was than the movie does. I feel like this movie is. I feel like they shot the outline. Like, I don't feel like they wrote a full script. I feel like they shot the treatment of the movie. It's so just broad strokes, we will get into it.

[Paul Shear]

I don't even want to delay. And I want to bring in my other co host, a person who said to me, 15 minutes into this movie, this is my favorite movie ever. Please welcome Ms. June Diane Rayfield. How are you, June?

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm doing well. How are you, Paul?

[Paul Shear]

I'm doing fine. Thank you for asking.

[June Diane Raphael]

I did love this movie, and I loved every second of it. And, you know, Paul and I were talking a little bit about this, Jason. Like, this is. To me, this is that movie that my parents got at the. At Blockbuster where Paul worked. And like I said, I was excited.

[Jason Manzukas]

The one where Paul actually worked.

[June Diane Raphael]

Not the one where Paul actually.

[Jason Manzukas]

That would be a huge reveal.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, we didn't beat this if you guys weren't.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, exactly.

[June Diane Raphael]

But, you know, I. I just. As soon as it started, I was like, God, I'm having a muscle memory of sitting with my parents and watching, like, these adult dramas and thrillers.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

That were focused on, like, wealthy people and sex and power and, like, having to sit through sex scenes with them. And just, like, all of it was so familiar. And I don't think I've ever seen this movie, but I've also seen this movie many times.

[Paul Shear]

Yes. It's like, exactly. There's so many movies. There's another movie with, like, Kim Basinger and Richard Gere that takes place. Like, it's always like, a psychologist who's getting mixed up. We talked about a couple of these.

[Jason Manzukas]

I was just gonna say it's always about, like, how it's very similar to Madonna and Willem Dafoe as well.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's right.

[Jason Manzukas]

Body of evidence. It's always a woman whose sexual empowerment comes also with being, like, a doctor or a psychiatrist or something else, but that also has this kind of incredibly potent and power. I forget what Sharon Stone's profession is in Basic Instinct, but all of these Ester House movies, Sliver is another one.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, we gotta do that.

[Jason Manzukas]

They're all bananas. And they are all exactly what you're saying, June. Like, the incredibly wealthy. The machinations of the incredible, incredibly wealthy sexually. And then complete disregard for life. Shut. Eyes Wide Shut was a thing about, like. I feel like Kubrick took this to a level in Eyes Wide Shut that showed, like, the true underbelly of it without romanticizing it in a way.

[June Diane Raphael]

Right.

[Paul Shear]

This makes murder sexy. Right? Like, it is, like, part of the thing. And the way this movie ends is so bananas. I want to work towards it. But I will say, like, I. I took note of one thing that really made me laugh. Like, you know, remember Jersey Shore? It was like Jim Tan Laundry. Like, here it was GCR gala church racquetball. And I felt like those three scenes back to back to back was like, what? Okay, this is Such a movie for. For middle aged parents or adults in the 90s. It's like you're going to church, you're getting dressed in the tux, you're going to play racquetball. Like, it just hit every little thing that was like, yes, I want to be doing that.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's all aspirational. It's all aspirational in the sense of everybody. There's also, like it. It also establishes what all of these movies do, which is an incredibly enormous scope but incredibly small number of overlapping people. So, like, this is a movie that takes place in the halls of justice. Lawyers, judges, etc, the police department, the governor's office, all of these. The museum, all of these wild. The. The district ATT attorney's office. I thought David Caruso was a cop for most of it. And then I was like, wait, no, he's the da.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. What?

[Jason Manzukas]

Yes, Dave Caruso. I thought he wants to do the.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's a cop.

[Jason Manzukas]

He is a district attorney.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wait, he has to bar exam at some point.

[Jason Manzukas]

He is a lawyer. Remember, Chaz Palminteri is like, when you're ready to hang it up, come and be a partner at my law firm.

[June Diane Raphael]

That and I did hear a lot of talk of like the next election and all that, but I guess didn't believe it.

[Jason Manzukas]

Well, that's what I wrote in my notes. I was like, wait a minute, is Caruso's cop a lawyer? And then I was like, oh, no, he's not a cop. But he's. They're. They're conflating. What they do is Esther. What Esther House does is he takes all the players from all these disparate elements, and he just is always putting them in the same room. So they all know each other. They're all friends.

[Paul Shear]

It's bonkers that David Caruso in this film, whether it's. I mean, as he's a da he runs. He runs investigations like a straight up

[Jason Manzukas]

cop, which, by the way, multiple car chases.

[June Diane Raphael]

Do lawyers show up at crime scenes?

[Jason Manzukas]

No.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, he flashed a badge when he went into that first murder scene. He pulls out his wallet and goes, like, here's that. And he goes, I'm not here. I mean, makes sense, because he's like,

[Jason Manzukas]

I'm open to being wrong, but let me.

[Paul Shear]

Jason, you're right. Like, I mean, I believe that you're right because.

[Jason Manzukas]

Donna Murphy, Don Murphy, Wikipedia. San Francisco Assistant District Attorney David Corelli Caruso is called to the murder scene, blah, blah, blah. So, yes, he is.

[Paul Shear]

He's trying to Be the DA and that's what the governor, Richard Crenna, who is great in this role. Great, by the way.

[Jason Manzukas]

He is everybody. This movie is chomp, chomp, chomp. Everybody's chewing the scenery in this movie.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, the MVP to me. And I'm really. I think I know. His name is Ken King, who plays Petey Vesco, who is the older. Like the Wilford Brimley cop. We have the Ted Lasso cop, who's Michael Biehn, who is great.

[Jason Manzukas]

Michael.

[Paul Shear]

I love Michael Biehn. And we have Ken. We have Ken or whatever. Ken King, who is just a joy to watch. Like, he does not fit the mold.

[Jason Manzukas]

He looks like he's in a Chicago. He's like a Chicago cop. You know, he looks, you know, perfect. He. Everybody's great. And I cannot stress enough that my profound attraction at the time to Linda Fiorentino.

[Paul Shear]

Come on, you can't.

[Jason Manzukas]

From the Last Seduction to this. She was. She is so good. She's so sexy and so compelling. As the femme fatale. Or in this case, what you perceive to be the femme fatale.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. Not. But is turned out.

[Paul Shear]

No.

[Jason Manzukas]

But is also crushing it in this.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, listen, I watched this movie with Paul, who felt similarly to the point where I was like. I was having the same flashbacks of watching these sex scenes with my parents watching them with him. Because it was. It was like. Actually I was, like, uncomfortable.

[Paul Shear]

And then at one point I was.

[June Diane Raphael]

Fell asleep and he was. He fell asleep and then he woke up and he's like, there's not enough sex in this movie. And I was like, oh, did you just see that sex scene where, like, she rewind it? Literally? Yeah, some. Someone's go. A person we've never seen before is going down on her and she's standing up and like, it was crazy. I'm like, did you not just see that? And he was like, oh, I fell asleep. He was so.

[Jason Manzukas]

I have an update, guys. I have an update. I just opened that Wikipedia to read that line to you, and I noticed there is a director's cut of this movie that is NC17.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, boy.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzukas]

So why didn't we watch that cut?

[Paul Shear]

Well, it's unavailable. That cut is unavailable because it actually did worse than the regular DVD cut. So there was a time, and I remember this again and may have talked about this in previous laserdisc conversations where there was a big market for, like, NC17 cuts. Like the Getaway with Kim Basinger and Alec Baldwin. Like, you almost. You saw Pen Henry and June Henry. Like, you. You People were like. But they were taking our movies and making them.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

Hotter, like, or, you know, sexier. And it was on vhs. And this is a movie where, I guess from what I read, it was really. The sex tape is where there's 10 minutes of more sex footage. And people also say it has an alternate ending. And people also say that it makes the plot make sense. All these things. Oh, all these things are up in the air because I want to just maybe start off with the thing that's the most disturbing to me about all of this, which is one of the small details that gets lost in the sea of shit. This movie was produced by Robert Evans.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Shear]

So Robert Evans, a famous Hollywood producer. Godfather, you know, But I believe the Exorcist too.

[Jason Manzukas]

Maybe I'm wrong, but a prolific Paramount producer. The Kid Stays in the Picture is his autobiography and the documentary about him. Like, if you have not seen. Seen it, the Kid stage picture, the documentary, get involved because he is, like, a key figure in 1970s filmmaking.

[Paul Shear]

And so one of the rumors I knew about Robert Evans, and I've heard many, was that my friend was working on a script with Robert Evans, and he had a bureau, and on top of the bureau were little lockets filled with women's pubic hair. And when this movie delivers that as one of the first plot points of the film, I was like, oh, my. Like, there's Robert Evans going. You know what would be interesting is if he.

[Jason Manzukas]

Hang on, Paul. Do you not have one of those.

[June Diane Raphael]

That made me sick. That honestly made me feel the fact

[Jason Manzukas]

that they were all on just a side table.

[June Diane Raphael]

I might have to. I can't.

[Jason Manzukas]

They were out for display. It's not like a secret drawer. It's not an anything. It's just. They're out at a side table next to, like, a radio. I was.

[Paul Shear]

They're just sitting there. And there was so much of it.

[Jason Manzukas]

There was so much.

[June Diane Raphael]

So much different colors and.

[Jason Manzukas]

And there was like. It also. I mean, I know it was a. I know it was a different time, but there was a volume in each of those silver boxes. Because they're not lockets, Paul. They're boxes. And they're little.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, pill boxes.

[Jason Manzukas]

They're little pig. Exactly. Pill boxes or snuff boxes or something like that. They're each engraved and they are chock full of cubes. They are like, stop. It's like you open.

[Paul Shear]

It's fluffy.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's like the snakes in a can joke in that. You open it and pubes explode.

[Paul Shear]

I was gonna say it's like opening up.

[June Diane Raphael]

Feel sick. I genuinely feel sick right now.

[Paul Shear]

It was like opening up.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm not kidding. All right.

[Paul Shear]

All I want to say. I don't want to. I don't want to make June vomit. So I just want to say one thing and say this. Why was that introduced when it played no part in the film at all? Like, all they needed to do is DNA test or like, it didn't play a part. I mean, I guess it only plays a part to say that perversion or kink. I don't want to say.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah. This movie. I can't stress enough. I don't know if you guys remember this, how much this movie was represented in its promotion and its reception as like, too sexy. Right? Too. It was. It was the movie that people were like, now this has gone too far. The basic instincts, the kind of sexual erotic thrillers, they were like. This is because it was all of this kinky sex. Like, kinky sex. Like guys going down on women. Ooh, can you imagine?

[Paul Shear]

Or how about when that one woman just goes up to Chaz Palminteri and just whips out his dick and just starts going to town?

[Jason Manzukas]

By the way, that's the same woman.

[June Diane Raphael]

So many movies of this time. Like a guy in a suit. Like, I'm still having to, like, unlearn some things because that's all. That's what I watched with my parents over and over was like, june, I'm sorry.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, yeah. You were like Pavlovian condition.

[June Diane Raphael]

That was my first experience of, like, what a woman's sexuality was. Was seeing multiple women in movies like this just give blowjobs, like, immediately. Immediately.

[Jason Manzukas]

This works is if a man is in pleated pants and he.

[June Diane Raphael]

In a nice suit, crotch to eye level, like, you must. You have no choice. You must start sucking his dick immediately. Nothing else can happen but that.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, it's crazy scene is in every movie of this time.

[Jason Manzukas]

It really is. It is a. But that is all of those scenes are just like, these men are so powerful or wealthy or whatever that. That they don't even have to engage in flirting, pleasantries and the foreplay. Anything. It is just transactional. They are just. They just get to. That's exactly what the Amazon Review kind of said that. That it's just. It just happens for them. The kind of sex we all dream about. The kind of sex you don't have to work for, you know?

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, this. Now I'm genuinely recovering from that pube discussion because.

[Paul Shear]

Do you want to hear a clip of it again.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, I don't. I will say I also have a strong stomach. Like, I'm not somebody who feels. I don't have a weak stomach.

[Paul Shear]

I can just press play right now and you can.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, that may be, but when company

[Jason Manzukas]

is over, do you think he. Do you think he puts those little, little boxes away or are those like a conversation?

[June Diane Raphael]

Turn to this.

[Jason Manzukas]

Are those a conversation? Are those like a conversation? Like, do you feel like if he. Marie Kondo. His apartment, his house, like everything else would go but the boxes because they bring joy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now listen, this. What I was going to say to move off of this conversation is this movie has something I've never seen. There's a lot that I. Again, I both had never seen this movie before and I've seen this movie many times, but there was something that was brand new and I think has never happened in any movie ever that's ever been made in the history of cinema. And that is two redheaded people in a scene together.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, yeah, you're talking about the double ginger. I have never.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was so shocking.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, that's called a double ginger. And it's considered. This is, you know, for a long time people thought that you couldn't do it because the people wouldn't watch it. And this movie proved them right.

[Paul Shear]

Well, I mean, normally you're just gonna do a man woman scene or a man man scene.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, boy.

[Paul Shear]

But it's ginger, ginger. A ginger, ginger scene is. By the way, his hair is so ginger and I've forgotten about it.

[Jason Manzukas]

These two are full blown ginge.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I want to say this about ginger representation. Like, I actually left this movie thinking like, wow, gingers are underrepresented in film and tv. And I agree, because I was so stunned to see it that it made me, you know, it made me really think about how they were. There's not a lot of gingers out there.

[Paul Shear]

I, I agree. And I, and I'm not making fun of gingers. It was just an intense thing. And I think what makes it more intense is the way that they dressed David Caruso, which was green on green on green.

[Jason Manzukas]

Green, like constantly green turtleneck.

[Paul Shear]

Why was he. What, why was his suit three shades of green? Like he. It was shirt, green tie, green suit.

[Jason Manzukas]

It was as if he said to. When he went in for his wardrobe fitting, he was like, my actor's secret is that I'm a leprechaun. But I just, I just want to hint at that no one, no no

[Paul Shear]

one, no one fully looks comfortable in their clothes. I know that it's the 90s and whatever. But Chaz Palminteri, I would be like, has he ever worn a super. It didn't look like, it didn't feel like the clothes like, it felt like the clothes were rebelling against the people. Except for Linda Fiorentino and Angie have art. They look fantastic.

[Jason Manzukas]

You cannot cast Chaz Pelmentary in a movie and have anybody believe he's not the bad guy.

[Paul Shear]

Well, I mean, Paul.

[June Diane Raphael]

Paul did not think he was the bad guy. And I called it pretty early on.

[Jason Manzukas]

What? Oh, come on. No, that's impo. It is the minute in the minute you make that casting decision, you're like, obviously that's the villain.

[Paul Shear]

But he. You know what I felt like he was doing? I felt like because he just did the Bronx Tale, which this movie comes out the same year he's nominated for that. I felt like he's like, I'm changing it up. I am now a high class lawyer. I'm smooth. I'm so like.

[Jason Manzukas]

Because he had. I'm working with Friedkin, like, I mean you cannot underestimate at this point, William Friedkin is, you know, still riding out. I mean not riding high exactly, but he's still one of the, you know, well regarded directors of his time. You wouldn't. Yeah. You wouldn't know it from. He. This is the man who, who did the car chase in the French Connection. That is widely regarded as. That and Bullet are the. Which he didn't do but are like the car chase, the, the er. Car chases of the modern era. Yeah, chases in this movie are terrible, terrible.

[Paul Shear]

The cars are launching at such a rate that it felt like someone is rocket launching them like they're flying over the hill.

[June Diane Raphael]

The china. Such a sequence was a comedy. It was, it was hilarious.

[Jason Manzukas]

I was so much, so much disregard for human life in the car chase. So many more people died during the car chases than died because of the sex scandal.

[June Diane Raphael]

Absolutely.

[Paul Shear]

That car chase. But why would you ever drive into a full on parade and keep on driving? It seemed as if David Caruso, if he got out of his car, he would make more headway than he did. And. And the car chase, it shot so weird that the POV sometimes is the hood of the car and you saw it like break a vase and like knock over like a Buddha statue. It's like, what the am I watch?

[Jason Manzukas]

Didn't we do another movie where Andy Garcia's a lawyer who's also representing his ex girlfriend or is trying to go against his ex? Didn't we do another one.

[June Diane Raphael]

He would have been great in that part.

[Jason Manzukas]

By the way. Put Andy Garcia in in either of these parts, by the way. I would have taken Andy Garcia in either role, frankly.

[Paul Shear]

I recently rewatched the Godfather 3 and he is actually very, very good in it. They did.

[Jason Manzukas]

Wait, did you watch the new cut?

[Paul Shear]

The new cut. And it's actually. It. It is for a flawed movie. It's a better version of the flawed movie. Okay. I actually think it's more enjoyable.

[Jason Manzukas]

Okay.

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzukas]

You know, you can't underestimate how enormous NYPD Blue was as a launching pad. And the fact that he then very cockily was like, see you later, turkeys. And then just crashed and burned. Next thing you know, CSI Miami.

[Paul Shear]

By the way, do you know that free kid wanted Warren Beatty to be David Crowley? Which actually to me would lend a level of gravitas to it in a way. Like, I feel like that's kind of like the Willem Dafoe. Like, like I feel like in a weird way, David Caruso looked a little bit too young.

[Jason Manzukas]

To your own. The only person who is correctly cast in this movie is Linda Fiore. Of the main cast is Linda Fioren.

[Paul Shear]

Wait, but hold on, is the governor.

[Jason Manzukas]

The governor. But then the rest of them.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm saying Murphy was fantastic.

[Jason Manzukas]

Sure. And I thought Michael Bean was great.

[Paul Shear]

So we're just saying of the three,

[Jason Manzukas]

there was great, great, great people. I'm. I'm simply just saying, of the trio of the main cast, Linda Fiorenta, David Caruso and Chaz Palminteri I think are miscast.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes, I totally agree. I mean, why did ultimately. So, okay, first of all, let's talk about Linda's character for a second. Why is. Is she.

[Jason Manzukas]

Her, her.

[June Diane Raphael]

Her scholarship and area of like academics seems to be that she's studying violence in the workplace.

[Jason Manzukas]

She's studying exactly what her husband is suffering from.

[June Diane Raphael]

Because. But she says at that lobby conference that she does that she's in a

[Paul Shear]

place that's used for an airport in la, like that place.

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought she was introduced as somebody who studies violence in the workplace.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Silence in the workplace. A thing I know in the postal system.

[Jason Manzukas]

But yeah, everywhere.

[Paul Shear]

But that's.

[Jason Manzukas]

No, no, no, for sure. You're absolutely right. And she's. She talks about it as if it is like it's happening here everywhere.

[June Diane Raphael]

An epidemic.

[Jason Manzukas]

As if you would give us a corporation like a sexual harassment seminar or safety in the workplace seminar. She's giving one about people who. The frequent occurrence of people flying into blind rages.

[Paul Shear]

And everyone is in a suit. So this is a high profile. Like, this is, like, this is like a high level company. And she's getting a private jet to go there. So I didn't know if that was her. Her own private jet or the company sent a private.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, that's a good question. But then also, she seems to be a. An art curator, seemingly.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Now, is that just like, oh, I have this job, but I'm also on the board.

[Jason Manzukas]

Because she's on the board of the museum, and that's why she's talking to the guy that was murdered.

[Paul Shear]

But that seems like her, like, are you bringing in collections? Like, is that part of the.

[June Diane Raphael]

She was responsible for, like, curating, like, all the fertility masks and, like, specific pieces.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, my God, the. Oh, wait, we have to talk about the opening of this. This.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Shear]

I have so many issues with the lead character who we never meet, and I want to just call out somebody that no one's going to give any credit to, which is the person who did Photoshop in this film. It is the best Photoshop. Jason and I talked about this. It's terrible in Wonder Woman here, the Photoshop looks. It looks like he is with Reagan. It looks like he is with Nixon. Great Photoshop. Even with the David Caruso Photoshop later on, it's not bad. And for a movie that came out so long ago, not bad at all. So you're going through this house and it's, I think, pretty atrociously appointed. Very, you know, it has a very Asian theme to it. Like, it's like a general Asia.

[Jason Manzukas]

Right?

[Paul Shear]

I feel like that there's, like, there's a lot of these cabinets. Like, it's things that, like, my mom would get in our house. We had a lot of these same cabinets that were like, Asia influence, but I. I don't. You know, but you got them at, like, Pier 1, and you're going up the stairs and you're hearing, like, this muffled talking. And then the music, if you have

[Jason Manzukas]

closed captioning on, you can hear what it says, what's being said.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, what were they saying? Anything worth it.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's all like, general, like, what are you doing here? Get out of here. You know, it's. It's those kind of exclamations. It's not. It doesn't give you pertinent information or anything.

[Paul Shear]

So as you're hearing that muffled thing, the music crescendo so high, like, dun, dun, dun on this. On this fertility mask, which plays no part in the entire film, nor does it crescendo with the scene. It just keeps on going on. I'm like, what is happening here? Like, who chose a musical like you when you see him dead?

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, they do a thing in this movie which is to create a sense of, like, things are weird here by incorporating a ton of, like, mad, like, the art collection of this man who is the murder victim that is the catalyst for the movie. His art collection is, like, rare artifacts and masks from all over the world. So he's, like, appropriating all of these, like, tribal masks. And. And so the walls are decorated with these men. I can just feel like I can see fried can being like, I want masks everywhere. I want. I want it to feel like everybody's watching. Because that's what this movie's about, is people watching people and die. And those are the eyes, and the masks are watching. They know what's going on, you know?

[Paul Shear]

But to its point, the masks never play a role. Like, I was thinking, okay, we're gonna see a sex scene with those masks on. They're like, oh, who's behind it? We don't know.

[Jason Manzukas]

That's just what you wanted. You invented that, by the way.

[Paul Shear]

June asked a question that I fell asleep for, but then I rewatched it last night after she went to bed, and I was like, why was Linda Fiorentino wearing the stocking over her face? Is that.

[Jason Manzukas]

I wrote that down, too.

[Paul Shear]

Okay. Yeah. I don't understand. Is that a sexual thing?

[June Diane Raphael]

Is that when I asked you, you immediately said, because it's sexy?

[Paul Shear]

No, I was joking.

[Jason Manzukas]

Because I woke up.

[Paul Shear]

I didn't see. I thought she was breaking into a house and having. I thought she was breaking into a house and a stocking on her.

[Jason Manzukas]

I felt like on the day, they were like, I don't know. What if you put some pantyhose over your face? Like, it felt like it was maybe. Maybe this is something people do during sex. Yeah, it was like. I don't understand.

[Paul Shear]

Like, it was like, we want to show something very sexy, but we don't. We can't show a lot of the things.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, my God. I loved the. I loved the crime scene walk through where all the sex toys and everything are out, and our favorite policeman is like, get a load of this. This. Is this the inflatable sex? It looks like an inflatable neck pillow. And he's. And he's reading the description.

[June Diane Raphael]

Instructions on that.

[Jason Manzukas]

There's so many instructions that he's reading off of the pillow itself. A number one. I'm not touching that pillow. It's fully inflated. Also, it has just been inflated, which must mean it was just used. So why is he handling it so casually?

[Paul Shear]

And why is the box on the pillow? I mean, it's. It's literally, it's an advertisement for the pillow on the box.

[Jason Manzukas]

Deep seated massage oil.

[Paul Shear]

And over here we have a harmony pillow.

[Jason Manzukas]

This pillow allows deeper penetration by positioning both partners most advantageously. It raises the female hips, facilitating male entry.

[Paul Shear]

You can inflate the pillow to varying degrees of hardness or softness while enjoying

[Jason Manzukas]

the thrill of rotary and floating action.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's not in the box. He's reading it directly.

[Jason Manzukas]

No, he's reading it off of the pillow itself.

[Paul Shear]

I know I'm saying. But he is reading what you would put on the box. Oh, it's like, printed on the.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do feel like for that kind of stuff, you want it, like, if someone walks in, you want it to look like it could just be a part of your decor.

[Jason Manzukas]

It also is like. And I wonder if you June in. In your was pretty small. Yeah, the. The version of you watching it with your parents and so forth. Like that guy, when they first enter the room, he grabs like, a little bottle. Bottle. And he says, like, blah, blah, blah. Scented massage oil. As if, like, as if that's the most insane thing you could consider. Oh, you know, is like lube or massage oil being used during sex is. Is like perversion.

[Paul Shear]

Guys, they literally are in a room full of veiny dildos, and they look at this pillow that is. And I know I'm saying pillow wrong. That's my own thing. Don't worry about it.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's hard for me to have to think about that word pillow.

[Paul Shear]

But pillow he's holding.

[Jason Manzukas]

Wait, wait, what are you guys.

[Paul Shear]

How are you wrong? I say pillow.

[June Diane Raphael]

I say pella. Because we're both from Long island, that's why.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, I didn't notice.

[Jason Manzukas]

I know people say correctly. I say. I say worry. Wrong.

[Paul Shear]

Okay.

[June Diane Raphael]

What do you say? Say it again.

[Jason Manzukas]

I don't know. Worry. I'm worried about it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, you say that wrong.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, but I. I also say hot dog.

[June Diane Raphael]

First of all.

[Jason Manzukas]

Don't ever say that. And popcorn.

[Paul Shear]

That is. Those are amazing.

[Jason Manzukas]

Which are also apparently wrong.

[Paul Shear]

All right, so again, just to get back to this scene, because there's so much unpack in this. In this house. This. This pillow. Pillow is so small and it seems so, like, honestly, not even that sexual. It's like. Oh, so I guess you could put that underneath your back. Like, there's a really funny.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, Paul, you put it. No, you don't put it underneath your back. You lay on top of it.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Jason Manzukas]

You don't.

[Paul Shear]

I. Okay, I thought you.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's not a. You don't bring it on an airplane. It's not a neck pillow. No, no, no, no.

[Paul Shear]

What I'm saying is this. No, wait. I don't want to be misconstrued. I'm saying that you could. You can use it in many different ways. Like, you could put it underneath your hips so your hips are higher. So you could have a different entry point. You could put it.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, you put it. He describes it. Babe, you read.

[Jason Manzukas]

He reads the instructions. I'm just saying that.

[Paul Shear]

Is that. But it's. But yes, okay, okay, we're saying the same thing. But I also think that you could. I think you could also be laying on your back and put it underneath your. Your. The small of your back and launch your back. Because I think it has multiple purposes.

[Jason Manzukas]

Look, how would you.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's a V that goes up like.

[Paul Shear]

No, it was. It had multiple folds.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Shear]

There was a great bit in a burn after reading about, like, those sex pillars that, like, George Clooney has. It's like these big sex blocks. Like that.

[Jason Manzukas]

That's the sex. That's the fuck machine.

[Paul Shear]

No, no, that was like. Didn't he have like those big. It almost looked like something you would see at a gymnastics, like place. It's like big cubes and stuff like that.

[Jason Manzukas]

He builds that. He built that thing that you can sit on and that. And when you ride it, right, the dildo comes out the middle. So it's a fuck machine.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, well, all right.

[Jason Manzukas]

So anyway, I just thought, like, is my understanding of it.

[June Diane Raphael]

You're right about maybe. I think it is. I thought the width of it was very small. Like, it looks small for a smaller frame.

[Jason Manzukas]

It looks. I'll be hon honest. It looked like a travel pillow. It looked like an inflatable travel pillow.

[Paul Shear]

It wasn't like. I guess what I'm saying is it wasn't like, oh, what are they doing? It's like, oh, yeah. It's just so she can get my thing. Like, I mean, here's my.

[Jason Manzukas]

My thing is. Here's. Call me crazy, but if you need to raise someone's Pelvis up. Use a pillow, Right? Like a pillow that's on the bed.

[Paul Shear]

But you don't want to get that stuff on your junk on your inflate. The.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's cheap looking. The inflatable sex pillow.

[Paul Shear]

That's.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think you're right about that. I think if you were to create something and listen, I don't know where our merch is at if we want to get in the pillow game, but in it.

[Jason Manzukas]

Holy T. Public. T public slash htdgm. Slash fuck pillow. That's it. We're putting them out.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do think it could be. I think it could be great if it were more. If it had more, like, weight to it. Like, it looks like a tempurpedic.

[Jason Manzukas]

If it was like a tempur. Pedic material. Yeah. So that you felt like it could really take a lot of punishing but give you support.

[Paul Shear]

I'm drawing a picture of this for you now because I believe that. I believe that if. Okay, hold on.

[Jason Manzukas]

Okay, we gotta. We gotta see if T public or who we. If we have to go outside of T public to manufacture. How did this get made? Branded pillows. We'll do it. All right. We just need to figure out what the design is.

[Paul Shear]

I don't know if you can see this. It may not. It may not show up. You see this?

[Jason Manzukas]

Yes.

[Paul Shear]

Okay.

[Jason Manzukas]

This is a T shirt. This is a T shirt. Send this to whoever immediately.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay.

[Jason Manzukas]

This is the T shirt.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm confused, though. Which is the pillow?

[Jason Manzukas]

The pillow and the legs. The mistake you made. Paul, wait. Paul, stop. Keep that so it can be the T shirt. Don't alter that drawing.

[Paul Shear]

All right, I can get it back. I can get it back.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Shear]

But that. Like, that just gives you a little

[Jason Manzukas]

bit more of a.

[Paul Shear]

No.

[Jason Manzukas]

This is insane.

[June Diane Raphael]

Because we.

[Jason Manzukas]

Wait a minute. Wait a second. Wait a second. What is it? What is the.

[Paul Shear]

Paul is.

[Jason Manzukas]

Paul has drawn a stick figure couple having sex. What. Which way is the throne person facing? So this is missionary. This is missionary.

[Paul Shear]

This is missionary. But it. But the hips are higher, so.

[Jason Manzukas]

The hips. The hips don't.

[June Diane Raphael]

But why are the legs going straight out? Like, the point of the pillow is for it to lift your hips up.

[Paul Shear]

Up. It's.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah,

[Paul Shear]

the hips are up because if she was down, her butt would. Why are her legs.

[June Diane Raphael]

But why are legs flying straight?

[Jason Manzukas]

Her legs seem to be. They need to be held aloft.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, well, he's holding her legs. Keep holding her leg.

[Jason Manzukas]

Why? It looks like her legs need, like, stirrups. Is this an obgyn Appointment. Is she getting a pap smear? What's happening?

[Paul Shear]

I just think that if you put the. If you put the cube as a triangle underneath the small of your back, you're lifting up.

[Jason Manzukas]

Here's what I'll say. I agree. I agree with you, Paul. I think the pillow can be used.

[Paul Shear]

Thank you.

[Jason Manzukas]

Either underneath you face, face down. If you're the woman face down, or face up. It's. It really is just to lift your hips, your pelvic area higher. I think that's it on either side. But your drawing needs to be a T shirt. I cannot. Okay, this might be the first. How did this get me a T shirt? I buy. Holy shit. The first stick drawing you drew was next level.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, I will just do that, and I. Holy shit. I can recreate it very simply.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, my go.

[Paul Shear]

They didn't even have a head. The guy didn't even have a head.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, but.

[Paul Shear]

Holy shit.

[June Diane Raphael]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If we're gonna make this pillow, then we need. I think it needs to be. Because the one in the movie had, like. Didn't it have, like, a hollow center?

[Jason Manzukas]

Well, no. Yeah, the one in the movie. Yes. And it also had. It also had a hinge

[Paul Shear]

and Burn After Reading.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, this. Because this needs to be a solid, like a dense material.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's got to be tempur Pedic. I think we gotta talk to our memory foam. Oh, this is what we can do. We can partner. I'm sure as a podcast we have partnerships with one of these dumb memory foam companies.

[Paul Shear]

Casper, by the way, I'm just showing you. I'm. By the way, I'm showing you guys.

[Jason Manzukas]

Put us in touch.

[Paul Shear]

I'm showing you the sex pillow that was in Burn After Reading.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's it. It looks like also the same type of thing. They. Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Jason Manzukas]

That's just like a wedge. That's like a workout wedge.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. That's what I remember it as being, like a wedge.

[Jason Manzukas]

But now. Now Google. I mean, if there are this. The sex pillow from this movie.

[Paul Shear]

Jade. Jade.

[Jason Manzukas]

I love that your Google search was George Clooney sex pillow. Well, like, no, don't do Jade. Or I guess Jit Majors. Even the movie just Jade's face.

[Paul Shear]

Well, here. Like, this is it. This is it. Like, this one looks about right. This one looks about like. Doesn't mean. Look, Jade is not. We've advanced in technology, but that's about

[Jason Manzukas]

Jade Movie Sex pillow.

[Paul Shear]

Okay. Jade movie sex pillow.

[Jason Manzukas]

Because it looked like an inflatable.

[Paul Shear]

I have the clip.

[Jason Manzukas]

I have the clip.

[Paul Shear]

I can play right here.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, we all remember what it looked like. It looked inflatable. It looked like it had one of those little plastic things that you blow up.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, it looks like an inflatable, like Ames chair or something like that. Like a small version of it. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Manzukas]

By the way, do not Google Jade movie sex pillow.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, it really is opening up a lot.

[Jason Manzukas]

Unless. Unless you want some very intense results.

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzukas]

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[Paul Shear]

I will say this, that in a house where there is so much stuff going on, the fact they point out massage oil, a pretty innocuous pillow, and then a California pizza or a Wolfgang Puck pizza. Like a frozen pizza.

[June Diane Raphael]

So hard.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, we gotta. We gotta play. We gotta play David Caruso. Just when he realizes what he's in, when he sees the pizza. Crystal beluga Wolfgang Puck. It's a fuck house.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's not just a fuck house.

[Paul Shear]

He's got a nice little camera over here.

[Jason Manzukas]

And there's another one up here. Low light, high density.

[June Diane Raphael]

Next door neighbor says he saw a lot of women come over here.

[Jason Manzukas]

Hey, did you check out these jammin jellies and clitorifics? I was thinking about you, honey.

[June Diane Raphael]

If I were you, I'd rip off a few of those butt plugs. They're designed for the perfect asshole.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, that, that when he. His realization.

[Jason Manzukas]

Well, it's also like, this is a movie that really is. It's trying to give you access to like the mega wealthy.

[Paul Shear]

Right, right.

[Jason Manzukas]

And the mega wealthy are so wealthy that when they go to have their affairs, they have a fuck house on the coast that in the bedroom. You know how opulent they are in the bedroom. And is a mini fridge, question mark full of champagne, caviar, and Wolfgang Puck frozen pizzas.

[Paul Shear]

But you would have to go.

[Jason Manzukas]

Because that is like the kitchen to make it.

[Paul Shear]

You would have to go to the kitchen. Like, it's not. You can't just like caviar. I get. Yeah, but like, you'd have to be like, oh, I keep the. I keep the sex pizzas in here.

[Jason Manzukas]

Darling, can I get you some champagne? Perhaps I can go heat up a pizza. It's like, what.

[Paul Shear]

Cause that's always the thing that you really wanted here.

[June Diane Raphael]

Chocolates, maybe some snacks after, you know.

[Jason Manzukas]

Hey, I have no problem with snacks.

[Paul Shear]

We saw it in that movie with Kevin with. With Alec Baldwin where they're like nakedly eating like Doritos after sex. Was so bizarre that. That Addicted to Love movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think if you're going to a fuck house, then you're exerting a lot of energy and a lot of calories and you might need to sustain yourself. So I. I actually appreciated that there was a pizza there.

[Jason Manzukas]

I agree 100%. I just think the pizza could have been in the freezer of the kitchen fridge, not in the bedroom.

[June Diane Raphael]

You gotta bring what you're saying.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. Unless they had an oven in the kitchen.

[Jason Manzukas]

My problem is like the caviar, the champagne. These are bedroom things. If there was chocolate dip, strawberries, or the things that connote like, sex or whatever. But this is to me, like, darling, some champagne, perhaps some caviar. If you want. I have a Wolfgang Puck pepper, peppers and sausage pizza that can go.

[Paul Shear]

By the way. Can we just talk about the perv next door? The perv next door.

[June Diane Raphael]

I felt badly for that guy. He both. He wasn't pervy enough that it was comfortable for me. Like, I would have rather like a full perv next door.

[Paul Shear]

No, he was like.

[June Diane Raphael]

Instead, it was just like a kindly gentleman who was also clearly a perv. And I was like, oh, this is. This is actually too real.

[Paul Shear]

But by the way, we all are that person. I would imagine, like, if you lived on the coast and. And there was like a lot of weird activity going on at night, you probably take out, you know, you'd probably take out some binoculars, like, oh, what's going on? But I guess he went one extra step because he could identify the faces of everyone.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, he was. He was pretty dialed into what was going on, that guy, you know, he's like, I. Since I retired, this is pretty much all I do. But remember, this is an era when we didn't have Netflix or streaming services. So, like, one of the. One of the neighbors to watch you. The only things to watch at night was your neighbors. Like, I watched and when in my old New York apartment, the apartment building across the street was a bevy of personal dramas.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, wow, that's so fun. I've never had that.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, my God. Michael. I have a real question for you guys. Okay, so why was Linda Fiorentino's character, who is a doctor, who is engaged in philanthropic elements, is on the board at the museum, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera? Why is she involved in this sexual. I'm not asking why does she have sex with.

[Paul Shear]

I have.

[Jason Manzukas]

I haven't.

[Paul Shear]

Actually. I have an actual real answer.

[Jason Manzukas]

Why is she being used by the dead man almost as if she works for him?

[Paul Shear]

Well, I have an answer.

[Jason Manzukas]

She seems to be a sex worker the same way that Angie Everhart seems to be. But. But they don't seem to be in equal statuses at all. And I didn't understand that.

[Paul Shear]

So here's the issue. Hester House writes this script and they offer it to Linda Fiorentino, who's coming off Last Seduction, and she's like, I don't want to play a sex worker in this film. And Friedkin goes, don't worry, I'll rewrite it for you. And changes a couple of pieces. Now, apparently, according to Michael Biehn, he said that the script made no sense at any point. Like, he's like, at the table read. He was like, I'm the villain, you know? So I guess freakin just kind of came in and changed it all. But when I realized that, I was like, oh, it makes so much more sense. It's written that she is also a sex worker.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, because that made sense. That would make sense. Because what I couldn't figure if it was just she led this secret double life, fine, but why is she doing the bidding?

[Paul Shear]

To me, it's like Chaz is a guy who gets too attached to her, and then he starts to. Or, you know, or. Or some version of that. Like, there is some. It just it. And that's why her profession is bizarre.

[Jason Manzukas]

And it's because man. Right, the dead man. The reason he's filming all this stuff is so that he has blackmail material on all the most powerful men.

[Paul Shear]

Right?

[Jason Manzukas]

And she is the most sought after of the women that the powerful men want to have sex with. So she features prominently in all this.

[June Diane Raphael]

But even Jason's question isn't answered, though, because even in that.

[Jason Manzukas]

But her appetite, why she has no idea this is she. If we are to believe her, which I actually do, she doesn't know she's being filmed. She. I think she just thinks she enjoys the sex.

[Paul Shear]

Well, that's. I think what.

[Jason Manzukas]

I think that that's what this movie. I think that that's what this movie.

[Paul Shear]

I think what this movie does, unsuccessfully is just say, like, oh, so she cheated on her husband once. And she's like, ooh, I've had such a boring sex life with my husband that now I would like to find more exciting things. So I guess she says to the art dealer, like, hey, do you have any friends that maybe I could also.

[Jason Manzukas]

I don't think that's the case.

[June Diane Raphael]

That guy, the old guy. She did.

[Jason Manzukas]

She did.

[Paul Shear]

That's what I'm saying. She understands.

[June Diane Raphael]

And that's where I get confused with Jade, because I'm like, I understand why she's not satisfied with Chaz. And I get.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, by the way, that's like. It's so upsetting.

[Jason Manzukas]

So he is hard without any foreplay and she cries during.

[Paul Shear]

And he also is making sounds of a cry. Like he's like.

[Jason Manzukas]

He's making like. He's like making MacGruber level sex sounds. But like,

[Paul Shear]

I mean, here. Here is Angie Everhart talking about why she is special.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'd go to the Pacifica house and a guy would come in and we'd spend the night. They wouldn't know who I was. And I didn't know them, you know, a couple of those creeps, they didn't even want me. They wanted this other girl that they'd fucked before. They called her Jade. One of those guys was the governor. Jade must have rocked his world because he wanted me to bend over and turn around. But I don't take it that way. He told me that Jade, she took it anyway. She couldn't get enough of it. She loved it. I saw her once leaving Kyle's house. She had long, beautiful hair and great legs. I think it was her. I never met her. I'd like to, though. I meant to women most the of.

[Paul Shear]

But again, Jason, to your point, it doesn't really.

[June Diane Raphael]

Right. Like, why would she. That old guy then. If that's what she wants.

[Paul Shear]

But why wasn't she bringing this into her married life?

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, I think that was a lost cause, babe.

[Jason Manzukas]

She also used to date Caruso, right? And they have an. They have a pseudo sex scene that is aborted because he kind of rejects her because he says, you killed this guy.

[Paul Shear]

But. Okay, so. But. But Chaz tells Caruso. And there's so many weird things here because Caruso loves Linda Fiorentino and Chaz Palmintari knows that, and he's like, well, maybe I'll get a divorce. And they have this weird jockeying for, you want to fuck my wife? And she's like. And he's like. And they know it. And it's weird, but she told him. So Linda Fiorentino told Chazz Palminteri she left Caruso cause he's a bad lover. Then went to Chaz Palm Terry.

[June Diane Raphael]

What?

[Jason Manzukas]

When did that happen?

[Paul Shear]

That's in the locker room of the racquetball scene. He goes, you know. You know why she left you? She said you're a bad lover. And he goes, why would she tell you that? And he's like, she tells me.

[Jason Manzukas]

I'm sorry. Hang on, Paul.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzukas]

That is a statement of the villain, I think. I don't necessarily. I don't think you should trust.

[Paul Shear]

I. You know, they say it.

[Jason Manzukas]

I understand. Everything Chaz Palminteri is saying is meant to further his villainous. He's trying to. He's trying to make David Caruso think Linda Fiorentino did it.

[Paul Shear]

But. Okay, so, like, seating. He's seeding it early on. Okay. But. But now Chaz Palminteri seems to have an active sex life with these other woman. Like, the other woman seems incredibly drawn to him. So I don't understand.

[Jason Manzukas]

Well, also, I believe that blonde. The blonde who blows him on the terrace.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzukas]

I. I believe works in Caruso's office.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, she works for Chaz. She's his secretary.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, really? It's not the same woman who comes up to him in the police station in the district attorney's office and says, angie Everhart will meet you at this restaurant at blank and blank o'. Clock.

[June Diane Raphael]

Because when David Caruso goes to see Chaz, he. She lets him in.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, okay. I didn't clock that. Okay. Right. Yeah. I thought she was part of the.

[Paul Shear]

That would be a really small world, this relationship.

[Jason Manzukas]

That's one of the reasons I kept thinking, like, it's like there's only 12 people in this entire structure of, you know, the. The courts the police, the governor, everybody has access to everybody.

[Paul Shear]

The fact that he's an assistant DA traveling with cops and then interrogating her in all these weird basements. I mean, they have more offices in this movie. The cops go to a different office every scene. They're in the basement. They're in a shooting gallery. They're in like a file office. Like they are setting up shops.

[Jason Manzukas]

Do you remember when Angie Everhart's character is in the witness interrogation room and there is an. A window in the room. Not a. Not a glass, not a mirror, two way mirror, a window. On the other side of the window is the firing range for the police department. So, like those two rooms are just next to each other. You can watch people practice shooting before they go in and do an interior. I was confounded.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was confident, too. Did they rough her before she came in? Because.

[Jason Manzukas]

Well, no, she fell down those stairs. Remember Caruso tackles her down the stairs.

[June Diane Raphael]

I know she fell down the stairs, but she seems. The way she plays that and is touching her bruises and everything. It seems like something else happened in between the time that we saw her last.

[Jason Manzukas]

But here's my question about her.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why does she. Why does Chaz kill her? Why?

[Paul Shear]

Because she could identify.

[June Diane Raphael]

Or did he. Or was that the governor?

[Paul Shear]

Oh, well, I think the governor sent his people out to get.

[Jason Manzukas]

Wait a second.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzukas]

I think the people. I think the people that killed Angie are Michael Biehn.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzukas]

And that's his minions. The guy.

[Paul Shear]

Because they're breaking into the house. They're breaking into the house at the end for the governor. They just happened to again, this group of seven people that travel around each other. They. They like. Like they're doing their own thing. That's un. Because basically Chaz Palmintary is only killing. Only is killing people that are involved with Jade. Like he doesn't care. Like, he does.

[June Diane Raphael]

What's his. So how many people have. Has he killed, Chaz?

[Paul Shear]

Two, three. Oh, two, two. He's killed. And the perv. No, he killed the old man in the perv.

[Jason Manzukas]

No, no. Yes, exactly.

[Paul Shear]

The old man. The old. The old. The art dealer who is. Who is by the way, like a Halloween. Halloween horror nights. Like that was crucified on the wall. Like, I was like, this is the weird. Like. And they go, it's a crime of passion. It's not a crime of passion. That is an intentional. Like you crucified a man on the wall.

[Jason Manzukas]

That was. That visual was wild. I was like, this is, you know, would take a tremendous amount of time and Effort. That was like a seven, like the movie seven level death scene, by the way.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, you'd need a Wolfgang Puck pizza right after.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, you need to crush, you need to crush a puck, as I like to say.

[Paul Shear]

And you maybe need to just pop up in one of those canisters and take a whiff of some of that pubic hair just to get you back in. I will tell you this, I will say this. This movie feels like it is written by like a horny. Like it's written by like a horny kid who only like understands missionary positions. And then it's like, what if you could do all this? And I feel like everybody who goes, like every parent who went home, that's

[Jason Manzukas]

how I feel about all of. Yeah, that's how I felt about all of Bridgerton. I feel like all of Bridgerton was written by 11 year olds who'd only heard a little bit about sex but were like, I think it's like this. And then they write it. Because all of the characters in Bridgerton are so ill informed about sex for such a horny people. It is. Have I watched every episode? Yes, I have.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like after, after seeing those two gingers in a scene together, like, I was surprised, looking back at that pube scene, that there weren't any ginger pubes.

[Jason Manzukas]

There must have been.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, there weren't any that we saw.

[Paul Shear]

We didn't sleep with Angie.

[Jason Manzukas]

Andrew Hart, I guess maybe he didn't sleep. Although when we see Angie Everheart on the, on, on the autopsy table, she doesn't have any tubes. So perhaps that's why. I mean, maybe. You know what, maybe we need to go back to the, the establishing shot of the side table.

[June Diane Raphael]

What's interesting about that, because I noticed that too. And the governor actually refers to her hairy. Remember that?

[Jason Manzukas]

Clean it up. Cleaning.

[Paul Shear]

All right, play that clip of the people here right now. If you drag me into this business,

[Jason Manzukas]

David, if my name even shows up

[Paul Shear]

on the periphery of this, David, you better get the fuck out of the state of California because you'll have as much of a future here as Jerry Brown. Who's Jerry Brown? Wouldn't it just be an awful goddamn shame if one hairy little pussy and

[Jason Manzukas]

a thimble full of sperm would affect

[Paul Shear]

the future of this great state of ours? Was Medford Black blackmailing you? I don't get blackmailed, Mr. Corelli. I do the. I never get.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, no, no, no. It was so upsetting that I remembered it. And then, and so then when we see her naked on the, on the examining table, I was like, oh, where are her pubes? And then I thought, well, maybe the autopsy procedure shaves them off.

[Jason Manzukas]

No, no.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know. Maybe she did it, like. I know, like, with vaginal birth deliveries that they did anymore, but they used to shave women.

[Jason Manzukas]

Do you think they do that to give to the family?

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, instead of ashes, like, instead of being cremated, you can.

[Jason Manzukas]

Here are her ashes and here are her pupes.

[Paul Shear]

Well, here's the thing.

[Jason Manzukas]

You have to pay for the urn, and you have to pay for the silver box.

[Paul Shear]

I did hear that Angie Everheart did go method with this, but did not want to do a nude scene. So that is a body double. So if it was Angie Everhart, it would have been correct. The body double did not do the work that she did. Like the Robert De Niro of gaining

[Jason Manzukas]

a lot of weight.

[Paul Shear]

I will say that I do love the Governor.

[Jason Manzukas]

Are you saying Angie Everhart gained a lot of weight for the show?

[Paul Shear]

I'm saying that she's getting into characters. I will say this. The Governor does say some things where I'm like, he. I love Richard Crenna in this movie. The one day that he shot on this movie to get the end. Richard Crenna. But when he's interviewing David Caruso, the blocking. This movie is so terrible. It's so specific and weird and stilted, like a Broadway show and, like, as if you don't have a camera. And when he gives this monologue to David Caruso, I don't fuck. I get fucked. I'm like.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was like, no, he's saying, I don't get fucked.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, yeah. He goes, I never. I do the fucking. All right, so, yeah. So whatever that clip is, I just fucking. I don't get.

[Jason Manzukas]

There is so much setup.

[Paul Shear]

Well, that. But I mean, but it is like. It is a weird thing because I felt like. Is he flirting with David Caruso now, too?

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, yeah, no, I felt that too. There was a certain energy of, like, I thought in that moment. I hear what you're saying, Paul. Like, he was saying he was gonna. Him. And I was like, yeah.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, Even just to humiliate him, he would do that. Like, you know.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, I see.

[Paul Shear]

Like, yeah, yeah. Just.

[Jason Manzukas]

Just. Just to humble him, show him he

[Paul Shear]

could, like, I have the power to do.

[Jason Manzukas]

Well, it is. It. This is another one of those movies from the, like, the 80s and 90s in which people in power have a level of power that is so great. They can just Assassin. They can just make people disappear constantly.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, listen. I mean, I just watched the Jeffrey Epstein documentary on Netflix. They are still. I agree, Jason. I agree that, like, they're. That this was sort of a trope of the time where, like, the governor or senators could get. You know, there were no systems of checks and balances. But when you think of Jeffrey Epstein and what happened there and why he's not serving time in a small box for the rest of his life for his crimes, like, I do wonder about these men in power and what they're capable of.

[Jason Manzukas]

100. I agree with you 100% in that regard. But they're killing each other. You know what I mean? Like, they're like, what I'm like, I agree. They can, like, make their power allows for them to exert power over powerless people.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, but I'm talking about how Jeffrey Epstein was able to commit suicide in that prison.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh. Oh.

[Paul Shear]

Like that. People will turn the other way. People will turn the other way.

[Jason Manzukas]

I'm sorry. I see what you're saying.

[June Diane Raphael]

Or it was his job.

[Jason Manzukas]

I don't believe he did.

[June Diane Raphael]

You believe he was murdered.

[Paul Shear]

I do, too.

[Jason Manzukas]

Some version of that.

[Paul Shear]

Do you not believe that, Trinity?

[June Diane Raphael]

No, I do believe that. Actually, I think that that's very possible.

[Paul Shear]

Well, here's again, not to pull this away from Jeffrey Epstein, but I will say I am confused. I don't understand the overall plot. I understand that there was a wealthy businessman blackmailing other people just to have it at his disposal. Right. And he had a cabal of women and he paid Angie Everhart $10,000 for two sessions or whatever, or for how many sessions that she did? Possibly there were more. Jade is working just because she's in a bad marriage. But it doesn't make sense because it seems like Jade is very sexual and her husband is very sexual because he's having affairs. And it just feels like just because

[June Diane Raphael]

they both have sexual impulses, Paul, doesn't mean they're compatible.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, That's a good. Well, that's right. So there you go.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, but I agree with you, Paul, in that I don't think she's participating in all of this sex to gain blackmail material. I agree with that. I think she is pursuing pleasure.

[Paul Shear]

Yes, but she.

[Jason Manzukas]

That is what I believe. She. I believe her when she says that is her intention.

[Paul Shear]

But she's also.

[Jason Manzukas]

She didn't know that she's so flirty

[Paul Shear]

with her husband at the. At the gala. She's like, oh, stay. Come on, stay. And like. And he's like, oh, you can't stay.

[June Diane Raphael]

Right. But she can't be Jade with him.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, so that's what it is.

[Jason Manzukas]

That's that last line when he's like, why don't you show me a little Jade?

[Paul Shear]

I want to play that clip now, too. The ending where Chaz Valmaturi, like, oddly reveals the whole end and gets away with it.

[Jason Manzukas]

Here, where did you get these? Kyle Medford showed up to me the day before I killed him. You knew when you killed him, he was a scumbag. He would have taken his boat down. I would never let anyone hurt you. But I don't remember any of it. You know what I think it is? Hysterical blindness. Do me a favor, Trina. Next time we make love, you introduce me to Jade. That's a.

[Paul Shear]

And then the movie ends.

[Jason Manzukas]

The movie ends. That's it.

[Paul Shear]

Credits.

[Jason Manzukas]

It's. It is really. So, I mean, to answer your earlier question, Paul, I believe this movie has two concurrent villains. Right? There is the Chaz Palminteri villain who is trying to exact a certain revenge on his wife by killing all of the men who have fallen in love with her sexually.

[Paul Shear]

Okay.

[Jason Manzukas]

Right.

[Paul Shear]

He's jealous of them. All right. This is helping me.

[Jason Manzukas]

I believe so. Okay, now that happens to intersect with the initial murder, happens to be this man who is using, as you said, Angie Everhart, Linda Fiorentino, and perhaps other women to use them to have sex with men in this place where there are cameras so he can get blackmail material. So he is. He is. So then the governor want for.

[June Diane Raphael]

With that blackmail material. What is he doing with that movie?

[Jason Manzukas]

I. We don't. I don't. I don't think we ever know.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, maybe you could buy more.

[Jason Manzukas]

I don't think we ever know because he's dead from the jump. But. But the villain is the governor. Yeah, the governor, who, once he sees those pictures, he realizes, I need everybody who might have seen any of this to go away, which is why they keep trying to kill Caruso.

[Paul Shear]

Then why isn't the man in the tape with Jade from the beach house somebody that anyone knows? Because if the whole idea is that he's blackmailing famous men, wouldn't you go, oh, my gosh. And that's the head of Blank Blank. They're just more focused on her.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's what I.

[Jason Manzukas]

So you think it's maybe a Bubba the Love Sponge Hulk Hogan scenario where

[June Diane Raphael]

I just thought there were other guys she was bringing there to fuck that were maybe not a part of.

[Jason Manzukas]

But it's that guy's house.

[June Diane Raphael]

I know, but it seems she knows she can go there.

[Paul Shear]

Okay. Oh, so. So maybe what you're Saying is, that guy goes, hey, you have all this stuff in you. Here's the keys to my house. Use it at your leisure. And he's just maybe getting not even blackmail footage because that's not in the safe. Although he did throw the tape in the. He did throw the tape in the fireplace, which makes. Makes me think that he does tape all the sex there. But then is like, you know what? But I don't care about this because that's just her getting off.

[Jason Manzukas]

Wait a minute. Who threw the tape in the fire?

[Paul Shear]

The man who was killed. Like, Halloween horror nights in the beginning.

[Jason Manzukas]

See, I don't know that that's the case.

[Paul Shear]

Okay?

[Jason Manzukas]

It could be Chaz Palminteri who threw the tape in the fire.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Paul Shear]

But he. Why would he be there?

[June Diane Raphael]

Because he killed him.

[Paul Shear]

No, but he wouldn't kill him at the beach house. He killed him at the other house.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, so that tape was in the.

[Paul Shear]

They found the Governor. They found the Governor pictures in his safe. They found that tape in the ashes of the fireplace, so. The fireplace.

[Jason Manzukas]

My assumption would be that Chaz Palminteri is trying to erase anything that connects Linda Fiorentino to this stuff.

[Paul Shear]

See, I wonder if in the original script, Linda Fiorentino used to be a sex worker for this guy and he's trying to erase that past for her to kind of clear her out as, like, I want to be married to a reputable woman. And he maybe has more of an abusive relationship with her and a powerful relationship with her because of that, because he's bringing her into society. He may have met her that way, but, I mean, there's. There's something missing, I guess, is what I'm saying.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, I agree. There's something missing. We might. We might just not be able to solve it because it might not be there. It might, because like I said, I kept writing, like, wait, what has happened? That this is now, like, I felt like scenes were missing, connections weren't being made. Like, this had many of the. Like, like I said, very broad strokes of the police are this. The lawyer now has this, blah, blah. But none of it was based on, like, gathering evidence, finding clues. Like, the guy. Oh, my God. We do have the scene where the guy, the tech runs the tape and he's like, great zoom, enhance.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzukas]

You know, like, we do have one of those, which made me laugh. No, no, freeze it. Freeze it. Magnify it.

[Paul Shear]

They also say the film is low density. Now, I know a little bit about filmmaking. I've never heard about Low density film. Yeah. I will say that it was. Yeah, yeah. It was wild. It doesn't make sense. And it ends so abruptly that you're like, what did I just watch? Like, it ends in a weird way. It's like, okay, so I guess Chaz got away with it and now she's going to be stuck in this relationship where she's got to pretend to be Jade or kill him. I mean, sequels ready to go.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah. What I couldn't figure out was, like, it really is. It makes a fool of David Caruso.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, well, he'll never be a dude.

[Jason Manzukas]

Right. Because he doesn't solve the case.

[Paul Shear]

No. Well, he does. Because I think that those minions go down for the whole thing.

[Jason Manzukas]

That's what I mean, though. So Chaz Palminteri gets away with Murphy.

[Paul Shear]

He thinks this is crazy.

[Jason Manzukas]

Like, who's the. Who's the. Who's who? Like, so what to think about it, really? The movie ends and the villain has won.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzukas]

How often does that happen?

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. And. And you would buy it more if it was the femme fatale, because I think that that's more expected. But here it's like Jazz Palminteri. It's like, huh.

[Jason Manzukas]

No, that the. The absolute gross villain has won. His wife is now trapped with him and David Caruso. I don't even know. We don't even land. We don't even end with David Caruso.

[Paul Shear]

No. It's bizarre.

[June Diane Raphael]

Very strange.

[Jason Manzukas]

But that's. I think that's part of not wanting to end on a ginger.

[June Diane Raphael]

And you know what? That might have been a good choice.

[Paul Shear]

And you know what?

[June Diane Raphael]

Honestly, you guys, I don't think you can end a movie on a ginger.

[Paul Shear]

There you go. That's the shirt. Obviously, we had opinions about this movie. People out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

[Jason Manzukas]

The movie was a piece of shit, yet this person recommends it. Tell me, what is the message? Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion.

[Paul Shear]

That was John Lejois. June, you want to say something about your comments about gingers in this show.

[June Diane Raphael]

First of all, I'm not the only one. A lot of times I feel like I. I have to bear the brunt of a few things here. I'm not the only to make comments about gingers, but I. Oh, I did too.

[Paul Shear]

Thank you, Jason.

[June Diane Raphael]

I just want to say that I've. I think that there are so many stunning gingers out there. Like, actually breath away gingers. It was just a surprise. And it was a surprise to see a male ginger. It was all. It was all surprising.

[Paul Shear]

I have nothing to say bad about gingers as far as how they look and how beautiful they are. I only had to say it about their box office viability. That's really what I think. I'm trying to get to that.

[Jason Manzukas]

Is that what you call ginger vaginas? Box office vibe?

[Paul Shear]

Well, that's when I use validity to help get their.

[Jason Manzukas]

Ooh, I just heard it.

[Paul Shear]

Hello.

[Jason Manzukas]

You just said. Oh, that was interesting. That's the first time I heard it. Okay, got it.

[Paul Shear]

These are five star reviews culled from Amazon. 72% of them are five star reviews. And this is not one of those situations like in episodes past where this is bundled into like a bunch of movies. This is one movie and their reviews are great. I'm going to just read you a few because they're all super fun. This is from your Nal urnal wrote this in 2015. Great movie, especially if you like San Francisco. A wonderful movie. It has so many San Francisco street scenes for the lover of that city. Good plot. Has enough car chases to satisfy the most hardcore car chase junkie. And pretty sexy too. 5 stars. This movie says had enough car chases. Feels like there's like I guess maybe two, but. But this guy really enjoys the San Francisco. San Francisco doesn't really read to me in this film. But anyway, that's that there's a whole

[June Diane Raphael]

sequence where his brakes fail and.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, that's true.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean that could have only worked in, you know, San Francisco.

[Paul Shear]

Well, yeah, the old way to kill people in San Francisco. I wanted somebody to go down that little mini street, that really hard street that's like very with a. All right. Soundman J in 2014 writes this. This is a smoking hot thriller. David Caruso is his usual good actor self with Linda Fiorentino being outstanding in her sexy, complex self as a psychiatrist. Very good thriller with twists and turns throughout. Lori Dobbs chimes in in 2016 and writes, this movie is okay, but it's not the one I was looking for. 5 stars.

[Jason Manzukas]

Lilas, what were you. I have no idea what I wonder.

[Paul Shear]

And then this one from Lilas in 2020. March 2020. Still getting the reviews in March 2020. I don't know what it is about this movie. It's sexy and naughty. I just love it. Five stars. And then I believe this is the final one I'll read here from Gwendolyn. This is written in 2013. This is a good movie. It keeps you on your toes and in suspense. But the wild sex, man, these were some buck Wild people. And I'm not mad at them. Five stars.

[Jason Manzukas]

This was wild. And just to answer to the person who said it had some good car chases in it. It does not. If you want to see incredible San Francisco car chase, rent the Peter Yates movie Bullet with Steve.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, of course.

[Jason Manzukas]

Unbelievable San Francisco set car chase.

[Paul Shear]

All right, this movie comes out in 1995. The budget is $50 million.

[Jason Manzukas]

Whoa.

[Paul Shear]

$50 million.

[Jason Manzukas]

Wait, so, Paul, will you remind. So this is 1995. When was basic Instincts?

[Paul Shear]

Well, this is after. This is kind of ripping basic.

[Jason Manzukas]

So that's what I'm wondering. Was it, like, right before? Was Basic Instinct like the two years earlier?

[Paul Shear]

I have a feeling that Robert Evans.

[Jason Manzukas]

Is this the next one?

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. So Basic Instinct comes out in 92. So about three years later. But I think it's in that zone, you know, of.

[Jason Manzukas]

Oh, for sure.

[Paul Shear]

So the budget is 50 million. The total gross, $9.8 million. The top three movies in 1995 are Batman Forever, Apollo 13, and Toy Story. This movie came in at 122nd out of all the movies made in 1995. Beaten by films that we've done on this show. Congo. Disclosure. Oh, Disclosure, of course. Virtuosity, Johnny Mnemonic, Street Fighter and Fair Game. It beat Hackers Junior And Top Dog. So Junior. Our namesake image from the original poster. It beat that. And here is one. Well, I'll say that.

[Jason Manzukas]

Can I just say something wild? Yeah, sorry.

[Paul Shear]

Go ahead.

[Jason Manzukas]

Very briefly, although for some reason these aren't in order. Joe Asterhouse writes in. Okay. 1992, Basic Instinct, 1993, Sliver. 1995, both showgirls and Jade.

[Paul Shear]

Wow.

[Jason Manzukas]

And then. And then. And then. Still 80 in the. He's still got crazy stuff in the Jagged Edge. He's still got other stuff that you know and have seen, but just those movies alone in that era. Like back to. Back to back to back, like, successful erotic thrillers. Then Jade.

[Paul Shear]

So crazy. I mean, this is really. I mean, a bizarre time. I just want to just. I also am just kind of confused about why they're meeting at church. The religion also doesn't really play a part in it. There's so many weird things about this movie. But I guess the question is, like. Like, it. I feel like it touches on so many things. It's like. It's like. It's like a stew of, like, all these movies mixed together by the ultimate cook of these movies. But would you recommend watching it? Would you recommend watching? Yeah.

[Jason Manzukas]

Yeah, for sure.

[Paul Shear]

Fun one. This is a fun one.

[Jason Manzukas]

I would recommend Watching all the movies I just mentioned.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. I think I want to do Sliver on this show. I feel like we got to do Slipper.

[Jason Manzukas]

We should do Sliver on this show. I think. I mean, I think at some point, maybe the very last. How did this get made? Will be Showgirls.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, we. Yeah, that we get.

[Jason Manzukas]

But they're, you know, like, these are all, like, exactly to your point. Earlier June, like that era of erotic thrillers from. From the 90s that was, you know, nine and a half weeks. And Angel Heart 2 Moon Junction, Sherilyn fan. Like, those were. It's. It's a type of movie that I'm trying to think just does not get made anymore. There is no longer, like, you know, even, like, the, you know, Body Heat, you know, Jagged Edge, you know, like when Kathleen Turner is. Is like a sex symbol. And. And all of these people are, like, dangerous. And there's so much going on. I don't know.

[June Diane Raphael]

I love it too.

[Paul Shear]

We're gonna wrap up. I'm just gonna leave you all with this one thought. And this is quickly it. OJ Simpson was judged as being not guilty. And when he went to the press that day, he said, I'm excited to go see Jade. What? So there you go, people. That was one of the notable things

[Jason Manzukas]

is that, like, people saying, I'm going to Disneyland when they win the Super Bowl.

[Paul Shear]

Jade was like, he. He stated to the press he was excited to go see Jade. So that's how we end today's episode that comes full circle. Also, a very big thank you to Avril Halley, who pulled this movie out of the dark depths. She made an amazing mashup clip of NCIS and Jade, which we will post up on all of our socials. A reminder to join us on the how did this get made Discord board. A big thank you to Nate Kiley for finding that O.J. simpson fact out. Nate, you are kiss like a chef's kiss to you. A big thank you to Devin, our engineer who pieces all this stuff together painstakingly, and our super producer, Cody, who keeps the ship running. And Molly. People, I want to give a big shout out to the ghost of Craig T. Nelson. That is Zach McAleese on Instagram who designs our amazing how to get made posters. Also, I want to give a tip of the hat to Nate Kiley who also designs some of our great stuff for our Facebook group. I love it all. You are all fantastic. Make sure you give us a call at 619 Paul A S K. That's 619Paul ask for the mini episode. I will talk about Jade, but I'll also talk about your life because I am helping people solve their problem. Make sure you follow me. And like I said, how did this get made on our Discord pages? We are there all the time and I can't wait to talk to you all next week about a film called Jade. And you know what? Before I get going, before I get out of the whole thing, one person I didn't thank in that whole mix of people because I'm saving it for the end. Because I know that he's gonna listen to the end. July Diaz July Diaz, the master Pulling this all together, listening, knowing what people want and what they don't want. Thank you July. See y' all later next week on the mini episode. Bye for now.

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[Jason Manzukas]

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