Last Looks: Doppelganger

Summary

How Did This Get Made? – Last Looks: Doppelganger Release Date: March 14, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of "Last Looks," the beloved hosts Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, and Jason Mantzoukas dive deep into the enigmatic and critically panned film "Doppelganger." Skipping the usual advertising segments, the trio focuses on dissecting the movie's plot, addressing listener feedback, and sharing exciting updates about their podcast activities.

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Tour Announcement and Guest Appearances

Paul Scheer kicks off the episode by announcing the upcoming "Doppelganger Tour," expressing enthusiasm about hosting live shows across various cities including Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, and Portland. A notable highlight is the inclusion of Jess St. Clair as a special guest, particularly exciting fans of June Diane Raphael, who is set to star as Elle Woods' mother in the highly anticipated "Legally Blonde" prequel series.

Paul Scheer (03:00): "I can't think of a better mom for Elle Woods than a version of June in the '80s. The shoulder pads, the Claudia Schiffer kind of fashion. I cannot wait."

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Award Recognition

The hosts proudly announce that "How Did This Get Made?" has been honored with the Best TV and Film Podcast award from iHeart at SXSW 2025. Paul Scheer reflects on the significance of this achievement, highlighting the dedication and passion the team pours into each episode.

Paul Scheer (05:00): "When you get an award, it's pretty fucking cool. We are thrilled to get that. We are excited."

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Corrections and Omissions: Delving into Doppelganger

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Corrections and Omissions related to "Doppelganger." The hosts address various listener submissions, clarifying plot points and exploring deeper interpretations of the film's themes.

Key Discussions:

1. Character Motivations and Plot Inconsistencies:
   • Discussing whether Dr. Heller truly represents a doppelganger or a demon, as suggested by listener Zilla21.
   • Analyzing Holly’s fear of the cat and its symbolic significance in the narrative.

Jason Mantzoukas (15:15): "Please help."

2. Symbolism and Christian Iconography:
   • Exploring the parallels between the movie's characters and biblical figures, such as comparing Dr. Heller to St. George from the legend of St. George and the Dragon.

Paul Scheer (02:14): "Why do angels and demons look the same? Is that to say that we all have a worm person inside of us and then sometimes we have an evil worm person?"

3. Doppelganger Mythology vs. D&D Lore:
   • Listener Grumblebottom connects the movie’s creature effects to the Dungeons & Dragons doppelganger from the 1977 Monster Manual, highlighting Greg Nicotero’s influence.

Jason Mantzoukas (43:15): "In the first edition of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual in 1977 lists a creature called Doppelganger... It looks exactly like the Nicoterra monster form in the film."

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Hulu Recommendations: Paradise and Shorzy

The hosts shift focus to their favorite shows currently streaming on Hulu. Paul expresses his obsession with "Paradise," while Jason raves about "Shorzy." They delve into the unique storytelling and character development that make these shows stand out.

Paul Scheer (25:44): "Paradise is about the president and his Secret Service guy... It evolves and changes, and it is riveting television."

Jason Mantzoukas (32:14): "Shorzy Season 4 has just come out and is phenomenal. It's a six-episode series of 25 minutes each. Very doable."

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Book Recommendations and Literary Discussions

Paul and Jason share their current literary pursuits, recommending intriguing books that blend detective noir with humor and complexity.

Highlights:

• Jonathan Ames’ "Karma Doll": A pulpy detective series featuring a protagonist entangled in convoluted plots and personal vices.

  Paul Scheer (43:09): "Karma Doll is a hard recommend... it's fantastic."

• James Crumley’s C.W. Croker Series: Jason praises the blend of hard-boiled detective stories with hilarious exploits.

  Jason Mantzoukas (44:58): "These are terrific hard-boiled stories, but the characters get into such hilarious exploits."

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Just Chat: TV Shows and Pop Culture

In the "Just Chat" segment, the hosts engage in a lively discussion about various TV shows, comparing and contrasting their storytelling styles and overall appeal.

Discussion Points:

1. "The Diplomat" and "Black Doves":

   • Comparing the straightforward narratives and character-driven plots that make these shows both engaging and accessible.

2. "SAS Rogue Heroes" and "A Thousand Blows":

   • Delving into Steven Knight’s work, highlighting the historical and criminal elements that resonate with fans of "Peaky Blinders."

3. "Severance" on Hulu:

   • Paul shares his binge-watching experience, while Jason emphasizes the show's unique narrative structure.

Jason Mantzoukas (35:48): "Shorzy is one of the best comedies on TV right now. Absolutely fantastic."

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Announcing the Next Movie: This is Me Now A Love Story

As the episode nears its end, the hosts reveal their next cinematic target: "This is Me Now A Love Story," a 2024 film starring Jennifer Lopez. They provide a comprehensive overview of the film's plot, critical reception, and personal impressions.

Movie Overview:

• Plot: A mythologically driven narrative that showcases Jennifer Lopez’s journey to love, featuring fantastical costumes, mesmerizing choreography, and star-studded cameos.

• Critical Reception: Rotten Tomatoes scores the film at 75%, with critic Amy Nicholson praising its self-mocking and open nature.

Paul Scheer (45:07): "This is a fun, short, experimental film. It's very self-mocking and open. I kind of loved it. It's insane, but it's also just fucking great."

• Personal Take: Both hosts express excitement and appreciation for the film's unique approach to storytelling and its emotional depth.

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Conclusion and Upcoming Content

Wrapping up the episode, Paul and Jason encourage listeners to rate and review the podcast, stay connected via their Discord community, and tune in for future episodes. They also tease upcoming content, including discussions on award-winning films and more in-depth movie analyses.

Paul Scheer (last segment): "If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. Visit us on social media at hdtgm."

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Notable Quotes

• Paul Scheer (03:00): "I can't think of a better mom for Elle Woods than a version of June in the '80s."

• Jason Mantzoukas (15:15): "Please help."

• Paul Scheer (05:00): "When you get an award, it's pretty fucking cool."

• Jason Mantzoukas (43:15): "It looks exactly like the Nicoterra monster form in the film."

• Jason Mantzoukas (32:14): "Shorzy Season 4 has just come out and is phenomenal."

• Paul Scheer (45:07): "This is a fun, short, experimental film. It's very self-mocking and open. I kind of loved it."

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Final Thoughts

"Last Looks: Doppelganger" offers a thorough and entertaining examination of a film that has left audiences perplexed. With insightful analysis, heartfelt discussions, and engaging banter, Paul, June, and Jason deliver a memorable episode that not only critiques but also celebrates the chaotic charm of "bad movies." Whether you're a longtime listener or new to the podcast, this episode provides a wealth of content that is both informative and highly entertaining.

Transcript

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Disconnect the discord. Hello my freaky darlings and welcome to Last Looks from HD tgm, which stands for how did this Get Made?

[Paul Scheer]

But you know it's also kind how did this get made?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Strap in my howies and my how.

[Paul Scheer]

It's my howdy do's and howdy don'ts.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We got some corrections and omissions, we got Jason Mantzoukas on Just Chat and we're gonna tell you what next week's movie is.

[Paul Scheer]

So let's do this baby. Hello my freaky doppelganger darlings. What's up? It's me, Paul Scheer and welcome to how did this Get Made Last Looks. That's right. This is where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Doppelganger, a movie that Discord user Dove thinks should have had the tagline Doppelganger Breakfast at Facsimiles. I like that one. I like that one a lot. By the way. I said Discord user. How about I should say, how did this get made Discord user? Not just like, not like just Reddit user, Dove, just how did this get made Discord user? And if you want to join our Discord, just go to Discord GG HDTGM and. And you'll get there. It's fun. Thank you, Dove, for that tagline. Remember, if you have an alt movie tagline, submit it on our Discord. That's right. And we might just read it on the show. Boy, oh boy, we got so much to talk about. The tour is almost here. The Doppelganger tour is ready to go. Jess St. Clair is joining us because, and you might not have seen this announcement, the great June Diane Rayfield has booked a plum role, a role that she is built for, perfect to play, and that is the role of Elle woods, mom in the Legally Blonde prequel series. That's right, Elle. So I am. I am just so over the moon. I can't think of a better mom for Elle woods than a version of June in the 80s. It's going to be like, I can't. The shoulder pads, the Claudia Schiffer kind of fashion. I cannot wait. It's gonna be great. So we are truly missing June. We are so excited to have Jess. Now here's the thing. June might be able to join us for the Toronto shows, just like she is able to join us for the LA shows. So stick around. We'll have some fun surprises on the road. Tickets are [e-mail] now your question is. Well, Paul, when are you going to announce the movies? Soon. We'll give you plenty of time. You'll get a couple of days notice. We're trying. We're trying to do everything right now. Avril is working her butt off and they're going to be great choices. Now we have so much to talk about today. We're going to get into your corrections on missions about Doppelganger. Of course, that's what we do. But Jason and I are also going to break down our favorite things on Hulu. I am obsessed with Paradise. He is obsessed with Shzy. We're going to talk about a thousand blows and so much more. We also, of course, are going to reveal the movie for next week's episode. But before I do any of that, let me give a big shout out to Action Jackson 5 for their amazing theme song. We love those songs. Send them to us whenever you get a chance. Keep them short. How did this get [e-mail]? you know the drill. Here's the thing. I want to say thank you to the iheart committee. Thank you to you, the voters. Thank you because we won the Best TV and Film Podcast award from iHeart this week at south by Southwest. The 2025 Best TV and Film Podcast award. It means so much to us. We've been doing the show for such a long time. And I know they say awards don't matter, but when you get an award, it's pretty fucking cool. We are thrilled to get that. We are excited. I could not be there because of the aforementioned shooting of L. June is away. I wanted to be with my kids. I am here in la. I'm holding it down. I'm going to bring the kids with me on the road. I mean, look, not going to stop me. Not going to stop me from doing anything. I'm going to get these kids being roadies out there. That's right. Mom's away. Oh, we're going to. I'm going to make these kids work. We're getting tattoos. We're going to start them smoking. Oh, it's going to be fun. I also want to say thank you to everybody who came out in San Antonio. I did the Pop Madness Festival, a little special thing for my book in San Antonio. It was an amazing time. Thank you for everybody being there. We're doing some more book events coming up as the soft cover version of the book comes out with guess what? Over 20 additional pages with a bunch of fun stuff in there. All right, let's get into this show. Here's something fun. We're gonna do a little throwback. That's right. We're gonna go back to a time when this show wasn't called Last Looks. It was a time when I did something called Paul's Helpline. That's right, Mark Ranger, hit the theme. Your boss is an asshole.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You fell out for your mate.

[Paul Scheer]

You want to ask the cute girl.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Out on a date? Well, people of Earth, your help is here.

[Paul Scheer]

You got a problem? Come toll, John Sheen. Ooh, it feels good to be back. That's right, the Paul's Helpline where I help you figure out what is going on with your life. And I got a call from Boise. My man Chris got a question. Hi, Jason and Paul. It's Chris from Boise. I am excited for the show during treatfort, but I have a question for you guys. If you were going to treat Fork Music Festival as a fan, what fans would you check out that are on the schedule? Thanks for doing such a great show. Look forward to see you guys later. Oh, Chris. What? What. What kind of question is this? I don't know what to tell you. I mean, it's a great question. The. The. The first answer I'm going to say is see any band, but don't go see any bands on Friday between 7 and 10pm Go see anything else. Great. But Friday between 7 and 10 p.pm. avoid music. Come see comedy. Stay indoors. Wouldn't you like to see a live taping of how did this get made at 8pm at the Morrison center for the Performing Arts? I mean, who wants to be outside? Boo. Boo on that. No, but the Tree Fort Fest has an amazing lineup. Except for Friday night when you should be seeing us shaky graves. You got Josh Ritter, you got Sophie Tucker. You got Bright Eyes. That's good. And again, those are all not playing at the same time. But truly, this list is so big that I need glasses to read all the names on this Tree Fort list. So come out, see us. A festival pass gets you in. If you didn't know about it, tell your friends in Boise we'd love to see them. And now we're going to expand the helpline into just questions on discord. So I can just answer. Basically, I'm answering a lot of touring questions for the Toronto show. People are upset because people say, well, the balcony is beneath the gallery. Let me tell you something. First of all, not just Jason, June, myself, we all know the balcony monsters. And yeah, anything above the main floor, we consider balcony. We know the higher you get, the more insane the people are. That's just because of an. An oxygen thing. But if you are above the main floor, you are balcony. I. I mean, look, if there are seats on the main floor, take the main floor seats. But. But you know, you're not going to. You're not going to get a limited experience. I know you want to be a balcony monster. Just get a good seat. Don't worry about anything else. But I will say this. Everybody's a balcony monster. Even some balcony monsters sneak in on that main floor. I've seen it. Now make sure you get your tickets to Toronto. You guys have been buying tickets like crazy. I can't believe it. They're going fast, so make sure. All right. Our spring Tour is headed your way. We're gonna be in Austin. Austin. Come out and see us. Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Fran, and Portland. All right, that's all the plugs I got, so let's get into it. Last week, we talked at length about Doppelganger. We had a lot of questions, and we might have even missed a few things. Here is your chance to set us straight. Fact check us, if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. Hit the theme. Well, my freaky dar. Wait, it's that time again. Directions and omissions. Falseer is our friend got a little mixed up about a painting on the wall. Dorian died of the end right when he saw. Well, my freaky darlings, I hope that you have time Come. Actions and omissions. Now the song is done. Thank you. Ethereal burn. Let's go to the discord, people. All right, Sean McBee. Hey. Sean writes back in New York when the doctor is sexing up Holly before she kills her mom. We can see the creepy worm version of her reflected in his glasses. And speaking of the creepy worm creature, I found it funny that sister sex line compares doppelgangers to the walking dead when the doppelganger creature effects in this movie were done by none other than Greg Nicotero, the man responsible for the zombie effects on AMC's Walking Dead. And you know what, Sean McBee, do your research. And also my makeup effects in the film Piranha 3D. Wow. Okay, great. Oh, look at that. Yes, there it is. In his glasses, there's a little image that Sean McBee uses to show a little bit. A little. It's hard. It's hard. Like, now that I know, I guess I see it. But was it happening? Because if it's reflected in his glasses, his glasses are not, like, seeing inner souls. I don't know. Maybe they are different prescriptions. John Steele writes, why was Holly afraid of the cat? And why did they seem to make it a plot point? It never pans out. You would think that the cat would have come into it by identifying the doppelganger or something. Yeah, well, I guess, you know, you're right. I guess they just had a cat and they wanted to make sure they got it. People like cats. I don't know what else we got. All right. Zilla21 writes, in my opinion, this movie 100% suggests that the worm is a demon and that there is a battle of good and evil for the possession of Holly Gooding. Just a few examples. One, the movie opens with the movie Box with the angel figurine. 2. We've seen multiple shots of angels in the background or even directly behind Holly. Birds are a motif and synonymous with angels or the spiritual realm. Three lots of white with black costuming. The last scene symbolizes that the demon has taken over. She knocks the music box with the angel to the floor because the demon now fully possesses her. So maybe the worm battle is just two demons fighting over possession and has nothing to do with a doppelganger, since the movie suggests that Dr. Heller is the doppelganger. Wow, Zilla 21, you just blew my mind, I guess. Why were two demons inside one person? Why don't you just go like, you know what? Hey, you're already here. I'll go to the next place. And why do angels and demons look the same? And is that to say that we all have a worm person inside of us and then sometimes we have an evil worm person? I've got questions. I think your answers are pretty good, but I got questions. DrGutz1003 writes, among all the Christian iconography in the film, Dr. Heller is thrown through a stained glass window depicting St. George and the dragon. The legend involves a dragon that was extorting tribute from the villagers when they ran out of livestock. They started g up a human tribute once a day. And one day a princess was chosen as a next offering. As the princess walked towards the Dragon's Cave, St. George saw her and asked why she was crying. The princess told him about the dragon's atrocities and asked him to flee immediately in fear that he might be killed too. St. George refused to flee, slayed the dragon and rescued the princess. Obviously, Dr. Heller is the dragon and Holly is the princess. But would we consider Patrick or Holly's doppelganger to be playing the role of St. George? Dr. Guts? My answer to that is I don't know. I don't know. Let's go to the phones. Rob from Philly, what do we got? Hey, this is Rob from Philly. I just got done with doppelganger and I'm having some trouble. So, Dr. Heller, who as we know, is everybody in this movie at some point but Fred, the brother, Drew Barrymore says that he was implicated in the murder. Now we have to understand that he was 11 years old, she says at the time. But if he was the one who was implicated in the murder, not her, not anybody else, does that mean that Dr. Heller dressed up like an 11 year old boy and threw the father out the window? I don't know. Maybe this is explained in the movie. And I have just lost my entire goddamn mind watching this. This entire thing. I used to be team sanity, but I just don't think I have it left in me anymore. It just left my body.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Please help.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you. You're great. Bye.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh. Whoa.

[Paul Scheer]

You just blew my mind. I'm gonna say yes. Yes, no. Maybe no, because Dr. Heller did try to kill the brother as Drew Barrymore. So no. But that would have been a great yes. John not Connor writes, is it possible that Holly herself, not the demon inside of her, killed Heller? Patrick is the only witness. Time and again, the movie shows us something creepy that turns out to be Patrick's nightmare or delusion. Possibly Patrick's encounter with the two halves of Holly's personality is driving him crazy. So maybe we can't trust Patrick's pov. John Knock Connor. This is what I was saying, not so eloquently, but yes. Did it even happen? Did it even happen? I say not. I say that Patrick loves to invent things because he's a writer and he created an more interesting version of a girl that was giving him mixed signals. And this is the story. And that might even be the truth of why this movie was made. Grumblebottom writes, I am a D and D nerd. The great Greg Nicotero did the creature effects in this movie, and I think he's a D and D ner. Well, the first edition of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual in 1977 lists a creature called Doppelganger. Unlike its Germanic folklore origins, the D and D doppelganger was a shapeshifter that would take the form of its target and replace the original. In D and D lore, their true form was a tall, gangly and bug eyed creature, much like the Nicoterra monster form in the film. They have a little image here from the 77 Monster Manual. Wow, that does look exactly like it. Now, here's where the problem is. Seems like Greg Nicotero was doing his own thing, but it's contradicting the other thing, which is she is not a doppelganger. She's never taken on anybody else's side. But I guess maybe the doppelganger. I have issues because if she. Well, maybe the doppelganger thing he's taking on is her, but she's inside of her. I don't know. All right, this is confusing, but wow. Great deep poll. Grumble bottom. Everybody has been A plus this week, but the real A goes to Ryan says who is giving us some. How did this get made stats. Okay, this is after Doppelganger. We got some updates here. Okay, so so far, how did this get made All Stars? Danny Trejo has been in five movies that we have done. Anaconda, Badass, Reindeer Games, Con Air, and Doppelganger. Scott Lawrence. Three appearances, Time Cop, the First Power, and Doppelganger George Newburn. Theodore Rex and doppelganger Sean Whalen. Tammy and doppelganger Tina Litford. Jaws the Revenge and doppelganger Donald Borchers. Highlander 2 producer, Tough Turf producer and yes, producer of Doppelganger. So Doppelgangers has really risen a lot of people's how did this get made stats up there. Now Ryan also is updating with Oscar winners. So right now, Zoe Saldana, she got an Oscar, but she was also in Crossroads. Peter Strahan, who wrote Conclave, also wrote the Snowman. Okay, now there was a lot of nominees this year, obviously. Jeremy Strong was in Serenity and the Happening right before he was nominated for the Apprentice. Guy Pierce was in Bloodshot. We have Sebastian Stan, who was in the the Covenant. We have Isabella Rossellini who's in Tough Guys Don't Dance. Jesse Eisenberg was in Zack Snyder's Justice League. Ray Fines is in the Avengers. Demi Moore was in Nothing But Trouble, lol, Strip tease, and of course got a big nomination for the Substance. James Mangold, Kate Leopold, he wrote it. Tim Bevin, Drop Dead Fred, the Snowman and Cats and wow. Wait, Academy Award come to. How did this get made? I mean, look, we have all been there, we've all made some stinkers, and you know what? We learn and then we go win or get nominated for an Academy Award. So thank you, Ryan says, for updating our Oscar winners, our biggest appearances. It's a. I've given you a lot of information this week and I don't even know. I don't even know who to go to because Ryan says, you're doing the Lord's work. You're keeping up with all this sort of stuff. So there's a part of me that says, hey, you're the winner this week. Then there's another part of me that goes, oh, grumble bottom, you. You actually went to the 1977 Monster Manual of D and D and you found this thing that actually connects the movie in a really interesting way. Dr. Guts told me a story I forgot all about. I don't buy into Zilla's concept at all. But then I also go, oh, my gosh, Sean McBee literally shows us how the movie shows its end in the very beginning. I don't know, people. Honestly. This week you're all damn winners. You're all damn winners. And you know what? You get this amazing song from Scarecrow. Hit it. Congratulations. You are the winner. Do you win a T shirt or a free dinner? Some movie tickets? A soundtrack cd? Nope. You just win this stupid song from me. 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So keep on checking out our replays of classic episodes. And without any further ado, it is time to welcome Jason to Last looks for a little just chat. Chris Finke play us in. If your bookshelf's getting dirty you better dust that. If a barrel's all corroded it's a real rust vat your fedora sittin crooked a just hat With Paul and Jason on the mic, you know it's just chat. Just chat. Jason, how are you?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Paul, look at us. Here we are.

[Paul Scheer]

We are here and I gotta Tell you, you know, because we are here, I want to share with you a real conversation that I've been having with people about something that I've been watching, and I can't stop talking about it. And the show is paradise on Hulu. I think I may have even said it to you on the side.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't. I haven't watched it. I know it's the new this Is.

[Paul Scheer]

Us, Dan Fogelman show. Yes. I will say this. I don't want to spoil anything. If you don't know anything about it, I'm not going to reveal anything about it. All I'm going to say is it's about the president and his, you know, his Secret Service guy. Right. That is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that's Sterling K. Brown.

[Paul Scheer]

Sterling K. Brown. As the star of the show, James Marsden is the president. I don't wanna reveal a thing because I, oddly, did not know anything about it. And it was such a wonderful gift, how the show kind of evolves and changes, and it is riveting television. I couldn't stop watching. I love it. I couldn't stop watching it. And.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, you and Gabris is the other person who recently recommended Paradise.

[Paul Scheer]

I might have infected Gabriel with it because I know that we were both. We were both with a mutual friend. And we're telling him, and he's like, I'm hearing this from too many people.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But, oh, my God. Yeah, this is so funny. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

So I. I think it's one of those shows that look, it. It's got. It's gonna scratch a lot of the itches that we talk about in this show. And I'm not gonna reveal anything more, but I will say that I dare you to stop watching it. Because I literally. I was like, oh, I guess I'm staying up until three in the morning just to kind of power through these. And I didn't do it all in one sitting, but I was like, yeah. Oh, I just want to keep on going. And it's done in such a way where.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How many Fs?

[Paul Scheer]

All I'll say, I think eight total.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Eight.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. And at the time of this recording, the finale is not yet available. All I will say is this in a show or. We have watched a lot of shows that keep you hanging. It feels like, oh, well, this is. You know, we'll never get to the bottom of this. This definitely feels like a show where they keep on adding stuff that you're like, whoa, wait, what? And answering.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So they're like, okay, that's what I was gonna say. Do you feel like they are providing answers to some stuff. Like, you know, that's always. For me, the, the, the mystery box component, which is. Okay, these are all great ideas. I love what you're putting into motion. But then, oh, are you able to close the deal?

[Paul Scheer]

Everything's fulfillingly threaded. And I feel like that's. And that's why I couldn't stop watching because it was simply like, oh, the hooks. Yeah. I mean, and I guess that's the whole idea of streaming is that, like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The, that's a whole Netflix thing is, you know, build it so that it's impossible to stop.

[Paul Scheer]

And. Yeah. And by the way, I'm, I was all in, so Hulu Paradise. You will like it. And, and I can't wait to talk to you about it at one point. Only because there are so many fun little Easter eggs in it that, again, I won't spoil. But fun. Fun.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, I'm excited. I'm. I'm on board for that. You know, I, I like, I like Sterling K. Brown. I watched a bunch of this Is Us at the beginning. I think. I think Fogelman's great. I think that's, I'm curious. And everybody I've heard from similarly is having a blast. So why. I'm, I'm in. I'll. I'll do it. I've. I watched. Maybe it's not similar because. But it sounds like a little bit of politics and stuff like that. Although I know paradise has a whole other, you know, component to it, but. Did you guys watch the Diplomat?

[Paul Scheer]

You know, June has.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Kerry Russell loves the Diplomat. It's incredible. Yeah, it's so good. Season 2 as Alison Janney joins the cast. It is, I think, dynamite, you know, as a, you know, in that. Very good. Elevated. But what feels just like a. A simple, forward moving, not procedural necessarily, but like, I feel like the Diplomat and Black Doves. Did you watch that nightly show, Black Doves? Those two shows to me feel similar in that, like, I don't have to be deep into this. There's not like 7,000 layers that I need to dig underneath to get to what the meaning is. It's. They're very pulpy and very fun and then impeccably acted. I think the Diplomats, well, that's like, what's.

[Paul Scheer]

Those are the TV shows that I really just get into because it reminds me of what I loved about 24. Right. 24 was such a fun show and, yeah, some seasons better than others, but at the core of it, it was just a really fun, well acted Thriller. And you know, it got more ridiculous as things went on. But at the core of it, it's just that's kind of that addictive, simple television. I think that sometimes we've gone past the point of the hook or we've made everything the hook or everything, like more complicated and we cease to be like, well, but you also need to care about these people. Like, we need to be on board.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

To also like close some circuits. You know, like some things need to be done and put aside and more new stuff. And you know, like there, there is. And I mean, we've talked about this before a bunch, but boy, am I enjoying all the shows that are essentially modern riffs on a Columbo Magnum PI Absolutely. Your, your Elsbeths, your high potentials, your. All these, all these detective shows where there is no whodunit.

[Paul Scheer]

Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You see in the first scene, who did it? Oh, there's Nathan Lane committing murder. And now the rest of the show is just Nathan Lane and Carrie Preston head to head, you know, and it's.

[Paul Scheer]

A lot fun and I still don't know why my character has not been able to come to New York. You know, Anyway, I'm going to get into. I'm really going to have to figure this out. I'm going to have to really get in there. I know we were talking last time, we kind of teased a couple things, you know, you were mentioning Shorzy and I have to say I'm very happy that when I go to Hulu now sh is up in the top bar. I don't know if that's just because their algorithm is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, maybe they know you've watched it before or something like that, but it is. Season four has just come out and is phenomenal. Yeah, I crushed the whole thing in one night. I mean, it's a six. Well, it's six episodes of 25 minutes.

[Paul Scheer]

Right, right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So it's very doable. And it is as opposed to what we're talking about before, it is just one forward moving narrative. So it is very rewarding as a large watch. But it is, you know, this is a show from the Letterkenny people, Jared Kiso and everyone. And it is a feel good sports TV show, which is not my wheelhouse at all. But it is so, so, so funny in that way that like a slap shot or a bad news bears is absolutely hilarious. So funny. But then such surprising amount of genuine heart, you know, like a real feel good story in ways that are consistently surprising for these dirtbag characters. It's absolutely delightful.

[Paul Scheer]

I am excited to check into that. You know, I will be having. You know, as we've talked about the how did this get made Tour, June has gotten a gig that has kind of put her out of pocket for a bit. So that means I'm gonna get to pick my own stuff, you know, not just watch Severance Season 2, episode 2 four times in a row, which is where I'm at right now.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, no.

[Paul Scheer]

Every night I wanna watch.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's so funny.

[Paul Scheer]

Severance. I'm like, okay, great. And.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I'm assuming June falls asleep.

[Paul Scheer]

She falls asleep and she's getting there incrementally. So we're. I think we have about 10 minutes left in season two, episode two.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But do you have to start from the beginning?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, we gotta remember where we were. And so we always go back about 15 minutes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is very funny.

[Paul Scheer]

It becomes like this battle. And so then I don't watch ahead because I know it's only gonna. It's only gonna burn me because then I'm just like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm hoping that you'll say something or reference something or.

[Paul Scheer]

She often will go through nights where she immediately falls asleep like that. And when I say immediately, like, you think, oh, we're gonna, like. We'll rewind it back to where she thinks she remembers it. And then by the time we get to the part where she actually fell asleep, she's already asleep. So we're not making like, this is what.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is fascinating.

[Paul Scheer]

It's a wild. And. And then I'm not quite sure when she's asleep and I'm not gonna wake her up, but I. Oh, okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That was gonna be my question is, is there no way for you to monitor.

[Paul Scheer]

I try. I try. And so what I normally wind up doing is putting my hands over her eyes and just double checking that she's out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You do like the mirror up to her eyes to see if she's. If it fogs up.

[Paul Scheer]

Because I'm like, it really does. Like, and. But yet then I come home and she's like, oh, yeah, I watched all of Slow Horses all four seasons, when. When she.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh my God. Thank God. Thank God. Finally.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this is like. This is what I'm talking about. Like, so I don't know when she is able to devour this stuff. Like, I've been watching all the Oscar movies before the Oscars, and June hadn't watched a single one, but I've been kind of pacing myself since, you know, since New Year's and she watched them all. She watched every one of them, except for Dune 2, which I don't think that she has any interest in. I keep on telling her, you got to watch Dune. You got to watch Dune 2.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, two of my favorites.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. You know, but she refuses. So, yeah, it's. It is a battle. So now I can kind of enjoy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so you can get into sh. I can't recommend SH enough. I think it is one of the best, if not the best comedy on TV right now. Full stop. I think it's fantastic. If you want to hear me really dig in on Shorzy this last week's episode of the Watch podcast, the Ringer. Chris Ryan and I go hard for well over an hour on Shoresy and some other stuff that I will shout out here as well.

[Paul Scheer]

And I saw that you were on camera for it. There's a lot of cameras being. There was a lot going on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was. I mean, I was. For a audio podcast. I was ushered into a small black room in a Spotify basement where they had a ton of cameras. Boy, was that unsettling.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't like podcasting for camera.

[Paul Scheer]

Neither do I. Make a show. Make a thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm just, I'm talking. I don't want to think about, like, how's my posture? Like, what am I?

[Paul Scheer]

Right, Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, I'm not interested. But. But I love cr. One of the best. The Watch remains one of my favorite podcasts. So delighted to get on there and talk to him about our beloved sh.

[Paul Scheer]

I I. Yeah, I will shout out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The other shows we talked about were the two Stephen Knight shows that are going on right now. Stephen Knight, who created Peaky Blinders, as well as a million other things. So season two of SAS Rogue Heroes is out now on MGM plus. Why is it on MGM plus? Who the fuck knows? Nobody has it. But you can sign up for a week and watch the whole episode, the whole series in that week, very easily.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this whole idea of MGM plus, it was supposed to be a part of, like, Amazon, but it's not. And, and, and where there's so many things. This idea, it's so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So you have Amazon, you own mgm. But wait a minute.

[Paul Scheer]

And you are a pay. And you are a pay so service, so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But there's also MGM plus for some of these. I don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

But yet there's no MGM regular. But it seems like you're stealing Disney plus. Like there's no mgm. Like there is at least a Disney Channel.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, it's, it's, it's true. It's a whole mess. It makes no sense. But I will say SAS Rogue Heroes Season 2, you know, it's about, it's a World War II show about the creation and execution of the SAS which is like, you know, British Special Forces, Seal Team kind of vibes. But it is just a ragtag. It's like what if the Dirty Dozen was a show?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I love that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Download this whole thing for the tour. A ragtag group of basically like lunatics are sent in early to war zones in order to disrupt everything. So season two takes place in Italy. It's the Italy campaign. So it is fascinating. It's a great show. And then the other Steven Knight show that's on right now is on Hulu. So much easier to get or on Disney. This show is called A Thousand Blows. And if you liked Peaky Blinders, this is right in that wheelhouse. It is a period specific 1800s London show that is about street level petty crime gang. Not like mobsters like the Peaky Blinders, but like pickpockets and you know, bare knuckle boxers. And it's, it feels, it's has huge scale and scope, super fun, a ton of characters like Peaky Blinders. It's got bare knuckle boxing. It's got, it's, it is a blast.

[Paul Scheer]

I, I love this. I mean, these are shows that I feel like I haven't even heard about.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The woman who's the star of it, whose name I'm not going to forget, she plays Mary on the show is incredible. This performance is unreal. She plays the queen of the elephants who are like the all female gang of like pickpockets and ne'er do wells that are populating this area of London. It is fantastic.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's a detective. Right? It's a detective series of like a pulpy noiri.

[Paul Scheer]

And this character. I've not read these books before. I know it's the third one of it, but this guy's kind of like a shitty. I don't know, he gets into trouble. Like this guy gets into trouble and it's not like a clean detective or, you know, whatever it is. But the. I am, I am really. I'm loving it and it like. And I just. Yeah, I'm so Karmadal is a hard recommend and you can like, you know, look, they got the, the audiobooks in there too and so you can get that as well.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I like that.

[Paul Scheer]

But it's funny, it's good. And he's. I just think. I just. I'm a fan. I'm a fan, a big fan.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I've just been reading also in that same kind of hard boiled detective y world, The James Crumley, C.W. cigru books, which are so fucking fun in the same way. So fun, so funny, so, so absolutely hilarious because they are both like terrific hard boiled stories. But then also like the character gets into such hilarious exploits. Like in the first book, he's hired to track down like a notorious boozy Brawley authority who's on a. Who's on a bin. A bender. It's like the 70s who's like on a bender. And so first he has to find the guy, then he has to try and convince him to go home. But really they just go on benders together while they then discover and seek out a different case together. It's a blast.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I can't wait. You know, there I was reading about him here on the Wikipedia as we were trying to figure some stuff out about him. And I love this fact. According to a longtime friend, he did cocaine. This is the author. He did cocaine six days a week, ate five times a day and drank a bottle of whiskey every day.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

He goes, this is how I like to live. If I live 10 years less. So what? Yeah. He was survived by his fifth wife of 16 years.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow. Oh, yeah. I'm not surprised at all. The first book, the books Are. The books are many years between installments. So in the first book, the character. It's like a Hunter S. Thompson book. The character's doing so many drugs constantly. And the drugs are. And drinking. And the drugs and drink are impairing him so much. And that's such a part of the book. Is. Is he too drunk now to fight these guys? Like, and it's so funny. It's, it's. It is a great series of books that I'm really enjoying.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I, I gotta get into that because I love, like the. I love, like, what's the name there, you know?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sure. Like the Parker books or all the Dashiell Hammett stuff. But like.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. By the way, you know, Shane Black is doing Parker.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that's interesting.

[Paul Scheer]

With Mark Wahlberg. Interesting choice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Mark Wahlberg, a unsuccessful version, I would say, of Spencer. I just started rewatching both Spencer for Hire and Rockford Files, both of which are available on Amazon Prime. Incredible.

[Paul Scheer]

I am a bit. I was trying to reboot Rockford Files forever and then it was going to go to Vince Vaughn, which I actually thought was a great idea. And. Yeah. And it's just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then they made it with. They made it with Dermot Mulroney. They made it with Dermot Mulroney.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait, did they?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I didn't know that. Oh, my gosh. So my friend got hired to redo the Rockford Files again.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

These are the Spencer for Hire Rockford Magnum. These are all like, Fletch. Fletch is the one that to me, I'm like, they made the Mottola and Ham made the. The streaming one that I really enjoyed. I thought that was great, but.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, I like that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I want more of that. Give me those. You know, which would be great.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. By the way, this. This thing that you talked about with Domino Mulrooney never even aired. You couldn't see it. You can't see it. A failed, failed pilot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, funny. Okay. That's like the Maria Bello Prime Suspect, which was another redo that I was like, oh, yeah, Prime Suspect. Yes, let's do it. You know.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, that would be great. And that's the thing. It's like. What? What is it?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, you also with Rockford, you really need that charming swagger like what Magnum has in the Tom Selleck. Magnum is such fun. And he's such a. He's so light. He has such a light touch that the modern Magnum just doesn't have. You know, the modern Magnum feels like it has more in common with csi.

[Paul Scheer]

Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Than it does the original Magnum PI you know, it just. It feels like casework less so detective. Right, right, right.

[Paul Scheer]

No, I. I think that that's totally true. And look, again, it's. You know, I. I feel like we all want to just jump in and have these, like, fun little adventures again, like you said. Like, it's like, we don't want to get too invested in it. Eight episodes. Six episodes. It's fun. We get in and out. I love this new cast list for Poker Face. Season two.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Looks great.

[Paul Scheer]

Really love that show.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Really great. Absolutely love that show. That's a show. I was. I tried to do a Columbo a bunch of years ago. I wanted to redo Columbo. Very hard to figure out. And they have crushed it, I think. Really?

[Paul Scheer]

I really. Yeah, I agree.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just while we're briefly in books, I know we're moving on, but I will just shout out the incredible singer songwriter Nico Case has a new autobiography called the Harder I Fight the More I Love youe. And I started the audiobook the other day, and I'm already 100% in on this book. It's fantastic.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, well, I'm gonna talk about this book that I mentioned last time very briefly, but I'll talk about it. The Lauren Michaels book, Brand new Lorne Michaels book written by somebody at the New Yorker. It is fascinating. Like, fascinating in a way that I. Look, I've read the backstage history of SNL that was made, you know, the Tom Shales book, but the original one, the one that was, like, in 1980, you know, so there. I've read, and, like, there's a part of me, it's like, well, yeah, I know these stories, but I think there is something, you know, as they are in year 50 and looking back and people really now telling the stories, there's a lot of, I think, less polish in this book in a wonderful way. Like, people are honest. And I think it paints a really cool picture of Lorne Michaels for all of his flaws and for all of his genius. And I think. And it weights them equally. And you could see, like, there's a. I think what I understand from this book is because he authorized it, he's given this person amazing access to follow him. And the way the book is structured, which I love, is a week at snl, Monday through Saturday, and it's broken up. Like, every day has a big chapter, but then in between those days is the history of snf. So, like, right now, I am in Saturday, and I am in. Dana Carvey just left. Like, that whole crew just left.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Dana Carvey just left. And you're in show night Saturday night. Right, Right.

[Paul Scheer]

So that's like, it's to give you an idea of, like, the whole thing. And I will tell you this. Jonah Hill is the host. Maggie Rogers is the musical guest the week that she's embedded, and man, oh, man, they do not hesitate to talk shit about the host and the musical guest. And there is a really funny moment in it. Like, he. Lorne Michaels does not like Maggie Rogers in this at all. Like, he is upset that she's on the show. He does not like what she's playing. Now, this is granted a while ago.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, yeah, this is. Well, Maggie Rogers was interesting because I believe when she is this her first SNL appearance, right? I believe at that time, like, she had been plucked out of an NYU class by, like, Pharrell or something like that. Like, she was, like, literally brand new, you know?

[Paul Scheer]

Exactly. This is like, you know, this is the episode Jonah's on there to promote. Mid-90s. So it's a handful of years ago, right? And they're talking about the new musical acts. But one of the things that has been really funny is, again, and the whole book is like this, but like, I guess Alec Baldwin punched somebody during the week because they were over a parking space in New York City, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, just like a civilian, like a person.

[Paul Scheer]

Right? And this is before Russ. This is before anything. This is just Alec Baldwin.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not at the studio or something like that. No, no, no.

[Paul Scheer]

This is him. Like, that's what you mean. And there is a moment where Lauren is sitting around with all of his lieutenants, and Tina comes in because they're working on a Five Timers Club sketch, and they all just riff and do bits about Alec Baldwin punching this person. And it's like, oh, what, did everyone forget that this porter is here? Because they're just going. Going at it. Like, every single one of them is like, you're, like, just drilling, and it's so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's very funny.

[Paul Scheer]

Really funny. It's really, really funny.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that's the stuff that I love, and that's what you do get. I will say in a lot of the podcast chats, like, whether it's Dana Carvey and David Spade show or the Lonely island and Seth Meyers podcast, all of these SNL podcasts that are talking, going deep dives into snl, they can be a little bit, you know, polite or, you know, a little bit, you know, a party line, but Every once in a while someone tells a story that's absolutely fantastic and so great. I watched all the SNL documentaries, all the SNL that have come out recently, right? And they were great. But boy, that Questlove one I thought.

[Paul Scheer]

Was fantastic and really amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Really just does. The point he's making in it, which is, I think really fantastic, is this show should be just as much acknowledged for its importance in history, music history in the last 50 years. Not just comedy history, not just a. Not just a show. Like that's what he's kind of saying in it. You know, he has this thing which is like, this show broke a lot of huge acts, you know, And I.

[Paul Scheer]

Think that that was one of the cool things about that SNL50. We were talking about it because while it was happening is like, it just. They celebrated that and gave it its own night because it is its own thing. And those performances, you know, whether it's like Sinead O'Connor ripping up the picture of the Pope, you have those moments. But then you also just have like these great bands that would have never gotten play. There's one little part of the book that I really love, which is when Lauren's about to step away for the first time, well, the only time when he's about to leave, he says to the cast, okay, and this is like Bill Murray and Jane Curtin. It's like, let's just like, who do you want us to book on the show? And they just book the randomest assortment of musicians. Cause it's like, oh, Bill Murray's like, I like this blues guy. I would like to bring this. And it's like. And there was a real freedom to that. And I know Lorne Michaels. We were talking about this a couple episodes ago. Like Lorne Michaels said that other show he produced on NBC was like a Sunday.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I can talk about this for forever.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, they talk about this in the book too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, yeah, so. So at a certain point, Hal Wilner, who is the. The musical director of snl, is like a genius, like music person in the world. Music producer as well, in that time, is a producer of like a lot of records that are tributes to artists. So it'd be like a Thelonious Monk album that is a tribute to Thelonious Monk, but all the people playing it are like staples of the downtown New York jazz scene or the out avant garde improviser scene. He made albums that are interpretations of the music of Walt Disney, the music of Looney Tunes, Thelonious Monk, Harry Partch, he's made incredible albums. So at a certain point, Lauren gets control over Sunday Night. The same block of time as SNL, 11:30 to 1. And Hal Wilner books it as it is just. It's called Night Music. And it is, it's basically what if the whole show was just musical guests and what's. And it's all on YouTube. It's some of the most incredible stuff. My drum teacher used to record it on Sunday nights on a VHS and give it to me because the act on any episode, it would be like Sonic Youth, the Sun Ra Orchestra, like a blues guitarist, you know, and then like, you know, Linda Ronstadt, it would be. It's crazy, incredible pairings.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm looking at it right here. It's like Eric Clapton playing with like Robert Cray.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Lou Reed and John Cale with Harry Connick Jr. And Paul Schaefer. You know, like, it's the first time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That like the Pixies are on tv. It's the first time that all these huge younger bands are given a chance to be on tv.

[Paul Scheer]

Bob Weir and Warren Zevon. So good. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Night Music, a lot of it's on YouTube and I cannot recommend enough. I've talked about it here before, but it is exceptional television. It is. Especially if you like an artist, look up if they were ever on Night Music because boy, is it satisfying.

[Paul Scheer]

And there's a great like collection of them all on Brooklyn Vegan. If you just type in Brooklyn Vegan. Oh, great. Night Music.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And while we're on music, let me just shout out two big music things, one of which is absolutely my favorite working band, Destroyer. Singer songwriter Dan Behar. New album coming out at the end of the month. Going on tour, three songs are up. Absolutely incredible, incredible songs. Can't be, can't recommend Destroyer enough. And then one of my absolute favorite bands, long standing, long running bands, Oneida from New York have put out a new record and they're touring and they are. I'm going to shout it out because they have not played live in LA and I think like 14 or 15 years and they're playing March 22nd at the Lodge Room. And I could not be more thrilled. This is a band that demands to be seen live. They are incredible and have one of the absolute best drummers in the world, John Colpitz, AKA Kid Millions. Just, just crushing.

[Paul Scheer]

I can't wait. All right, Jason, we'll be back soon to talk about more things that we love. Thank you, Jason, for chatting with me. But now it's finally time to announce our next Movie. All right, we're gonna be going from doppelgangers to dancers. I'm sorry I didn't have a better rhyme for that. Next week we are watching the 2024 JLo film. This is me now. That's right. Is it a music video? Is it a movie? It's only 63 minutes. So there's that. Here's a short breakdown of the plot. This is me now. A love story is nothing like you've ever seen from Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer has created a narrative driven cinematic odyssey steeped in mythological storytelling and personal healing. This genre bending Amazon original showcases her journey to love through her own eyes. With fantastical costumes, breathtaking choreography, star studded cameos. Oh yeah, cameos. Gonna knock your socks off. This panorama is an introspective retrospective of Jennifer's resilient heart. Wow, that is a great write up. All right. Rotten Tomatoes gives This film A75 on the tomato meter. Movie critic and my co host on the unspooled podcast, Amy Nicholson says this movie is a fun, short, experimental film. It's a very self mocking and open film. I found it endearing. And you know what, I gotta say, Amy? I agree. I kind of loved it. It's insane, but it's also just fucking great. Of all the stuff that we watch, more of this. It's like megalopolis in a way. But like only 63 minutes. Here's what I'll say. It's on Amazon. You can watch it. Here's a trailer. I know what they say about me about hopeless romantics, that we're weak and I'm not weak. You must respect the ebb and flow of the universe. This is me. All right, that's a trailer. You can watch it on Amazon Prime. I don't know if you can get this at Hoopla or Kanopy or Libby. I don't know. Try maybe. But people, it's a fun one to watch. Check it out. And by the way, if you are interested in unspooled, we did a great Oscars breakdown, but that's now in the past. But this week we are battling what is the best movie of 2005? Because the question always is, will anyone remember who won these Academy Awards in 20 years? And we go back to 2005 and go, what movie actually has the most like longevity? Not what the best movie is, but like what created the biggest ripples. And I'll tell you, one of the movies that got into the finals, I am shocked that I. That I got behind. Anyway, that is it for Last Looks. If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. Please also make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on and we appreciate it. Visit us on social media at hdtgm. And a big thank you to our producers Cody Fisher and Molly Reynolds, our movie Picking producer Avril Halley and our associate producer Jess Cisneros, as well as our engineer Casey Holford. We will see you next week for this Is Me Now A Love Story.