Last Looks: Fall w/ Eliot Glazer

Summary

How Did This Get Made? – Last Looks: Fall w/ Eliot Glazer (August 7, 2026)

Main Theme & Episode Overview

This episode of "How Did This Get Made?" is a jam-packed edition of "Last Looks" with special guest Eliot Glazer (comedy writer, "New Girl," "Broad City") joining Paul Scheer and Jason Mantzoukas. The crew dives deep into the 2022 thriller "Fall," reading listener corrections and omissions, dissecting plot absurdities, and reacting to wild listener theories. The show then pivots to a lively conversation with Eliot Glazer about his new comedic essay collection, Long Island childhoods, gay culture, and the nature of fandom. As always, the episode wraps up with the reveal of next week's bonkers-bad movie ("XXX" starring Vin Diesel).

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Corrections & Omissions – "Fall" (02:20 – 16:33)

• Listener Feedback: Paul, Jason, and June read out listener voicemails and Discord messages calling out movie errors, missed details, and hilarious plot holes in "Fall."
• Notable Insights:
  • The "D" in "Danger D" is possibly an homage to Dan (the dead boyfriend), blowing Paul’s mind.
    • Paul: “Del, my mind has been blown. Oh, my God. What?” (05:59)
  • Structure and safety realism: A broadcast TV pro points out that the rusted, abandoned tower plot is pure fiction, as such towers are demolished to avoid exactly what happens in the movie.
  • Comparing “Fall” to “The Descent”: Listeners highlight striking plot similarities, right down to hidden affairs and coded jewelry.
    • Mark: “It felt like someone saw The Descent and said, hey, let’s make the same movie, but instead of underground, they should be stuck in the air.” (08:29)
  • The infamous "1-4-3" tattoo is ridiculed for being an obvious and illogical clue.
  • Dated pop culture references: A wrestling fan notes every wrestler mentioned would have been retired for years, making a key conversation feel AI-generated.
    • Steve: “It would be the equivalent of ... saying your favorite NBA players are Shaq and Kobe.” (11:33)

2. Absurdity & Logic Gaps in "Fall" (15:13 – 16:33)

• Anti-vulture Propaganda: An outraged birder highlights the film’s unfair portrayal of vultures as vicious attackers (vultures are timid, vomit as a defense, and are environmental helpers). Also, the depicted species doesn’t even exist in North America. Eating vulture flesh would be dangerously toxic.
  • Aaron: “It’s actually probably the riskiest thing that anyone does in this whole movie.” (13:13)
  • Paul: “Justice for vultures. ... I also just kind of feel like a hawk would be scarier.” (14:28)
• Global Hotel Checkout Culture: An Australian caller details the country’s standard 10am checkout time, which Paul finds objectionable compared to US norms.
  • Paul: “10 a.m.? ... I'm gonna have to buy extra days so I can leave like a civilized human fucking being.” (16:33)

3. More Ridiculous Plot Holes (24:15 – 27:42)

• Improvised Solutions:
  • Why didn’t Becky just strap her phone to the drone and drop it, rather than trying to fly it out with a note?
  • The director's name is hidden as an Easter egg on the return address for Dan’s ashes (Scott Ave, Man AZ).
  • Is Becky technically a cannibal for eating a vulture that ate her friend?
  • A crew member ("Sneaky Zebra") reveals behind-the-scenes trivia, mentions working on "Fall 2," and pokes at the plot gap involving drone apps and phone swaps.
    • Paul (to crew): “Don’t send anything to the writers and directors of this stuff. ... We like Scott Mann. Scott Mann did a great job.” (26:33)

4. Bonus Deleted Scene: “How Could They Have Gotten Down?” (28:01 – 30:18)

• Jason, June, Elliot, and Paul brainstorm more (better) ways the characters could have escaped, pointing out they had climbing harnesses, rope, and possible signal at height, but only the weakest excuses are offered in the film.
  • Jason: “They don’t try and fashion any kind of tension thing ... it’s a problem all modern movies have: how do we kill the cell phones?” (29:56)

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Featured Interview: Eliot Glazer on Comedy, Long Island, Camp, & Fandom (34:43 – 65:53)

Eliot’s Background and Long Island Memories (34:43 – 44:40)

• Eliot dishes on being mistaken for a New Yorker (“It kind of makes you cooler!”) despite living in LA for a decade.
• Nostalgia for Blockbuster stores, Smithtown, and the peculiar “Suffolk Boys” Long Island subculture.
  • Elliot: “It was basically a country club for Jews. We were not invited anywhere else.” (36:17)
  • Paul: “Long Island is one of the weirdest places I could possibly imagine because it has so many different personalities in different places, but it’s all sort of soaked in the stink of toxic masculinity and ostentatiousness.” (44:09)

Summer Camp Trauma, Aliens, and Bad Camp Choices

• Hilarious fear-induced trauma from a trashy alien encounter TV show at arts camp, and Paul’s own rigid military camp hell.
• Paul: “Military school camp doesn’t really feel like it works ... but they were just. To have, like, to be peeing in front of your counselors. It struck me as weird.” (38:42)

FIRE ISLAND — The Closeted Kid Next Door (45:49 – 47:28)

• Eliot marvels at the irony of being a nervous closeted kid just a ferry ride away from Fire Island’s gay paradise, but never realizing it was even an option.
  • Elliot: “Twenty, twenty-five minutes away was a ferry ride to gay Fantasia.”

Small-Mindedness in the Shadow of the City (47:28 – 48:50)

• Despite access to NYC, Long Islanders remained remarkably isolated or uninterested, an attitude echoed in suburban Boston.
  • Jason: “Why would you go to Boston, which is seven miles away? It’s just right there. We can see it.” (48:08)

Sports Fandom, City Aggression & Emotional Catharsis (49:55 – 56:42)

• Discussion of sports fanaticism—fights after games, scaling buildings after wins, and how sports give men a socially acceptable space for emotion.
  • Jason: “It’s one of the only instances ... where men allow themselves to feel emotions.” (51:12)
  • Elliot: “I am genuinely envious that you have this external thing, this ongoing sport ... I wish I were passionate about something like that.” (54:39)
• Paul reveals his own superstitions (lucky shoes) and how his happiness is linked to the Clippers’ performance, while Eliot and Jason describe their own “fandoms” (Howard Stern, Drag Race).

Fandom Parallels: Stern, Drag Race, & Reality TV (56:42 – 59:39)

• Paul, Jason, and Eliot bond over their Howard Stern fandom and the deep parasocial relationships formed with recurring Stern characters.
  • Jason: “I believe I’ve asked for one selfie with someone in my entire life ... and that person was Marianne from Brooklyn.” (57:11)
• Jason makes a pointed connection between cosplaying and grown men wearing sports jerseys, questioning why one is ridiculed over the other.
  • Jason: “What’s the difference between that and you wearing a jersey?” (59:13)

Eliot’s Book & Upcoming Projects (60:01 – 65:53)

• Paul and Jason hype Eliot’s witty new essay collection, The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Gay (out August 11; available as audiobook read by Eliot).
• Eliot previews his upcoming Charles Barkley-produced video podcast, where as a complete sports novice, he’ll interview superstar athletes with “genuine baffling ignorance” (think “alien on Earth”).
  • Elliot: “It’s not just not being a sports fan. It’s just not even understanding ... what’s the deal with this?” (60:54)
• The trio brainstorm future “bad movies” Eliot could cover (“The Fanatic,” “Theodore Rex,” and Dennis Quaid’s “Reagan”).
  • Elliot: “Theodore Rex, we still talk about. The Fanatic ... and we watched Reagan, which was wild.” (64:53)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “This movie is getting more rickety than an old TV tower.” — Paul (09:54)
• “Justice for Vultures.” — Paul & Aaron (14:28)
• “If you haven’t checked out The Descent ... it’s good!” — Paul (09:53)
• “The Suffolk Boys is a whole different thing.” — Paul (36:09)
• “I mean, I have the book coming out ... but I’m also interested in talking about sports.” — Eliot (59:45)
• “I believe she was saying, I watched these wrestlers with my Dad when I was growing up. ... But she should have been talking about AEW.” — Paul (12:31)
• “Why didn’t Becky just strap her phone to the drone and let it drift gently down to ground level…” — Sean McBee (24:33)
• “What is it about sports that makes people lose their ... To climb buildings?” — Elliot (51:01)
• “I think we should all be fans. ... It’s a good thing.” — Paul (57:46)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:20 – Kickoff: Listener alt-taglines, “Fall” corrections & omissions
• 05:58 – “Danger D” theory, mind-blown moment
• 08:29 – “Fall” as a clone of “The Descent”
• 11:33 – Wrestling references called out as ‘AI generated’
• 13:13 – “Justice for Vultures” / Nature accuracy rant
• 16:33 – Hotel check-out time culture clash
• 24:15 – Phone and drone plot holes; insider crew comments
• 28:01 – Bonus deleted “how do we get down?” scene
• 34:43 – Start of Eliot Glazer interview: Long Island origins, childhood anxieties, and Jewish summer camps
• 45:49 – Fire Island and the hidden gay world
• 47:28 – Long Island/Boston suburban isolation
• 49:55 – Sports as emotional outlet, Knicks riots, fighting culture
• 51:40 – Howard Stern, fandom, and men’s emotions
• 60:01 – Eliot discusses his upcoming Charles Barkley project
• 62:11 – Paul’s sports stories, “Champagney” NBA tale
• 64:43 – Pitching bad movies: “The Fanatic,” “Reagan”
• 65:53 – End of interview

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Next Week’s Film Announcement (66:00 – End)

• Movie: “XXX” (2002) starring Vin Diesel
• Description: Extreme sports star Xander Cage is recruited by the US government to save the world from a Russian villain.
• Paul: “I’m a dumb guy and I loved it and it’s terrible and you’ll enjoy it.” (67:01)

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Final Notes

• Eliot’s Book: The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Gay — out August 11; available as eBook, standard, or audiobook (read by Eliot himself).
• Participate: Listeners can leave their own corrections, alt taglines, or wild theories via Discord or voicemail (speakpipe).
• Classic Re-Releases: New/old episode drops every Tuesday — check out “Gooby” (with Nathan Fielder) and next: “Cool as Ice.”

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For New Listeners

This episode is a perfect blend of what makes HDTGM a cult favorite: sharp-eyed absurdist criticism of bad movies, raucous listener engagement, inside show-biz stories, and passionate love of pop culture in all its forms. Not required listening for "Fall" — but it’ll make you laugh whether you’ve seen it or not.

Transcript

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[June]

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[Paul Shear]

Kumitay hey, how did this get me? Hello people, 2000ft above the earth. It's me, your adventure vlogger Paul Shear, AKA Peril P. And welcome to how did this Get Made? Last Looks, where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Fall, a movie that Discord user Ghostbag thinks should have had the tagline Fall. A breakup's ladder scenario. You get it? Do you see what I'm doing there? Thank you Ghostbag for that alt movie tagline. And a huge shout out to Yakiz for that opening theme song. That was awesome. I love that. Remember, if you have a short theme song for any Last look segment, just click on Submit a song. It's right there on our how did this get made? [e-mail] and you can also submit an alt movie tagline to us on our Discord at Discord. Now, coming up, in today's episode, we'll be hearing all your corrections and omissions on Fall. I'll even play a bonus deleted scene from that episode. Then Jason and I will chat with comedy writer Elliot Glazer. Elliot's worked on some of the funniest shows like New Girl, Broad City, Billy on the street, and we're going to talk to him about fandom. We're going to swap some Long island stories. Plus we're going to get into his hilarious new book, the Terrible, Horrible, no Good, and Very Bad Gay, which comes out August 11th. Plus, as always, at the end of the show, I will reveal the movie that we will be covering on next week's episode. Now, just a little bit of a heads up. Our T shirt from the fall episode is on sale now. The shirt just says 1, 4, 3, which was of course Dan's secret code, meaning I love you. I love this design. I love the simplicity of it. You can put it on a sticker, you can put it on a mug, you can put on a laptop case or, or even a sweatshirt. Whatever you want. And how do you do all that? Well, simple. You just go to hdtgm.com and you click on Merch. That's it. It's easy. If you haven't checked out Elle on Amazon Prime, I urge you to check out June. She is fantastic in it. Plus Dark Web. We're doing some crazy stuff over there. Just a little heads up. In a couple of weeks, Mastodon will be joining us on the Dark Web. But catch up right now for free by going to YouTube.comterthedarkweb I've been loving these episodes that have been coming out. All right, that is all that I got. So let's get into what you got. Of course, we just examined the film Fall and we had a lot of questions and we might have even missed a few things, which is why I now turn the mic over to you all because now it is time for corrections and omissions. Corrections and omissions. Thank you, Chris Finke, for that theme song. Let's go to the Discord. Del Preston writes, do you think that the D in danger D is for Dan. Her name is shiloh hunter. No Ds. And she admits later she became Danger D, the Adventure Vlogger because of Dan's death, but she was also in love with him. I'm calling it. The D is an homage to Dan. Del, my mind has been blown. Oh, my God. What?

[Elliot Glazer]

What?

[Paul Shear]

I don't even know how to take this in. That is truly. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Del, you got me. You got me right out of the gate. That makes no sense at all. And I would have loved for that to be a reveal. Anyway, I must just pull myself together and get into some more corrections and omissions. This one from noob. Noob. So I worked in broadcast TV news for a number of years and this movie basically wouldn't happen. The tower itself in the movie would never get that rusted because it's made out of reinforced steel and concrete. And once a tower is decommissioned, they cut it down the three wires holding it to let it crash down safely in a controlled demolition. Why? To prevent everything that happens in this movie. They don't want people climbing on these old towers. But this is the level of detail about journalism and television I would expect from a buzzfeed movie. Noob. Noob. I love it. Yeah, I don't know how many non working towers are out there. And again, you're bringing home some details. Some simple, simple details that I mean, I guess would just unpack the entire film. I mean, if there's no tower, there's no movie. But get ready, because someone in our phone calls is going to show you how. It's really just a ripoff of another movie that we all love. Hornacek writes, after they got the backpack, the reason Hunter refused to drink any water is because Hunter was already dead, so there was no need for her to drink anything. Another sign that Hunter was already dead was when Becky is climbing for the light bulb and drops the backpack. Hunter doesn't even try to catch it when it falls right past her because she can't catch it. Oh, Hornacek. Now I feel like a fucking dummy. That was my Sixth Sense moment, right? Those are the. Oh, my God, she was dead the entire time. And they should have replayed them for people like me. I get it. I like it. All right. One thing that this movie did great is this Hornacek point for supporting the movie. And now I believe that you might be a part of the movie. All right, let's go to the phones. This one is the one I was talking about. Our friend Mark makes a very interesting observation about this film. And another one.

[Mark]

Hey, Paul, two things. First, I was wondering if anyone else felt that the premise for Fall was a complete ripoff of the Descent, a movie about a group of thrill seeking female friends, one of whom's husband dies in a car accident after a whitewater rafting trip. Then a year later, one of the friends organizes a cave diving trip to try to cheer her up, at which point they end up getting stranded and stuck in the caves, much like Fall. Spoiler alert. We find out that one of the main character's friends was having an affair with the husband, which is identified through a piece of jewelry that had LED engraved on it, which signified the husband's favorite phrase, Love every day. So basically, it felt like someone saw the Descent and said, hey, let's make the same movie, but instead of underground, they should be stuck in the air. My second thing. I can't believe how incomprehensibly stupid it is for Hunter to get a tattoo on her ankle of 143, which is just a dead giveaway to Becky that she was having an affair with her husband. She would have to hide that tattoo constantly to make sure Becky never saw it to the point that it makes absolutely no sense that she would ever get it to begin with. Thanks.

[Paul Shear]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[Jason]

Wow.

[Paul Shear]

First of all, if you've not seen the Dissent, it is great and scary, and I love it. I love the Descent, but you're right. This is exactly the Descent. And now I'm also realizing that that one four three tattoo was very. What is going on?

[Jason]

Why.

[Paul Shear]

Why do we even need that clue when she's gonna reveal it anyway? Unless our main character put it together. Oh, boy. This movie is getting more rickety than an old TV tower. Thank you, Mark. Great points all around. And just a reminder, watch the Descent. If you people have not checked out the Descent, you might be like, well, do I need to watch it? Because I just saw Fall. Yeah, it's good. All right, John Steele, coming up next. What do you got? Hi, Paul. Just a quick question about the end of the movie when the dad tells her, like, let's go home, shouldn't she be arrested? She climbed something on private property that had a very blatant no trespassing sign, which we saw a thousand times throughout the movie. So I just thought maybe, you know, the police would want to talk to her. Thanks. Oh. All right, John, you know what? At a certain point, I feel like when they rescue someone after they might have just, you know, had a traumatic moment, they're gonna let you go home. Right. I think it's like Die Hard at the end of Die Hard. They kind of let John McClane just walk on out of there. So I agree with you. Yes, she would have gotten a very firm talking to about trespassing, but the fact that her bone was sticking out of her leg and her friend was dead, I feel like they were like, you know what, we can maybe hold back on the Jaywalkin ticket, but I appreciate your vulture, like, honing in on the details. And now our friend Steve from Oklahoma City has a point that I thought we made on the show, but I guess we didn't.

[Steve]

This is Steve from Oklahoma City, and you guys are talking about how a lot of the dialogue sounded like either a much older person or AI had written it. And I have some fuel to add to that fire involving a scene you guys didn't talk about. So there's a moment where Becky talks about watching WWE with her dad and then talks about Stone Cold Steve Austin, the Rock, and Mankind as her favorites. And the wrestling nerd to me is going to come out because if this movie is set in 2022, all these guys have been retired or making extremely rare appearances for almost 20 years by this point. Austin retired in 2003, the Rock left for Hollywood in, like 2004, and Mankind left for another organization in 2006. So all these references are extremely dated. And Hunter said something to the effect of I can't believe you still watch that. Which implies she's a fan right now. Not when Becky was a child growing up, which at least would have been a little more accurate. To put it in perspective, it would be the equivalent of if she said how much she loves watching the NBA and then start talking about how her favorite players were Shaq and Kobe. The whole scene just felt like something chat GPT spat out. Been a fan for 12 plus years now. Thank you guys for bringing us so much joy for so many years.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, now, Steve, I'm not going to go back and watch this movie. I. I agree with you, but I also disagree in saying that I believe she was saying, I watched these wrestlers with my dad when I was growing up. Now, granted, she's like 19, so to your point, they would have been retired. So. Yeah, you're right. And I guess she still watches it. But she should have been talking about, like, aew, right? She should have been like, oh, CM Punk. He is the new Mankind. Oh, man, the. The. The Bullet brothers that, you know, Cody Rhodes. You know, that's what I would have liked. A little AEW mentioned in there. Aaron from Vermont, what do you got?

[Aaron]

Hi, Paul, calling to Talk about the extreme anti vulture and actually anti bird messaging in the movie Fall. Why do the people who made this movie hate birds so much? I think it's unspoken, but Becky blames the bird that flies out of that hole in the beginning for Dan's death. So at the outset this appears to be a tale of revenge. Vultures are villainized throughout the movie when in fact they would never attack a living human being. Vultures are actually pretty timid and will vomit or defecate on an attacker to escape. The vultures in the movie also appear to be white headed African vultures, which as you can probably guess by the name, do not live in North America. This aside, vultures are extremely beneficial in that they clean up putrid, rotting stuff that no one else wants to deal with. They are the garbage men of their ecosystems. And I mean that in a way that should be flattering for both vultures and for garbage men. Their bodies are uniquely adapted to neutralize all sorts of pathogens and their stomach acid is extremely corrosive. So you were correct to point out that eating raw vulture would make you very, very ill. It's actually probably the riskiest thing that anyone does in this whole movie. Anyway, I thought it was my duty to speak out against this anti bird propaganda. Love the show. Hashtag justice for vultures.

[Paul Shear]

Yes, justice for vultures. Aaron, I knew that fact and I wasn't going to bring it into this because there is so much to unpack and I mean, why don't you just have a fucking hawk just go after him? A vulture, I get it, it eats the dead, but I also just kind of feel like a hawk would be scarier in a way. A vulture just seems like it's waiting for you to die. Hawk be fucking attacking you. I also feel like it's easier to beat up a vulture and when she ate that stomach, according to you, that acid would have maybe like burnt her or destroyed her stomach. So what about that? So yes, justice for vultures. And she should add a burned belly. Next one. What do we got? Natalie from Australia.

[Natalie]

Hi Paul, this is Natalie calling from Australia about the most recent episode, Fall. Well actually I'm calling with a comment about hotel checkout times because you guys all had a very passionate discussion about appropriate check in checkout times. And I just wanted to share, I guess, a fun little fact which is all the way down here in Australia, your standard checkout time, wherever you are, hotel, motel, Holiday Inn is 10am, always 10am and your check in is 3 o' clock at the earliest. Sometimes it's going to be 4 o'. Clock, big town, small town, wherever you are. And so genuinely, I think when Australians go overseas on holidays, one of the real pleasures and joys is hotels allowing you to stay past 10am because it feels like you're really doing something sort of cheeky and naughty. So as much as we would very much love one day to have you guys in Australia, I feel I've probably pushed you and especially June, even further away from this. But just a fun little fact from the land down under. Thanks very much guys. Bye.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, Natalie, this has been an interesting point of contention here. Many people have written in like, hey man, let me tell you what it's really like. And what I found out was, yes, many of our checkout times and check in times were changed post Covid, but the way that you just describe Australia, fuck that noise. 10:00am, 10:00am I'm just gonna have to buy extra days. I'm gonna have to buy extra days so I can leave like a civilized human fucking being. Alright everybody, it is now time for a quick break. But when we come back we will have more corrections and omissions coming your way, including some inside info from a crew member who worked on the movie. So stick around. How did this get made? Is excited to collaborate with Audible. Audible has a massive library of audiobooks and podcast. Now I am a giant audiobook fan because audiobooks help you get way more out of your day. I'm able to kind of check in when I'm in the car. I love an audiobook. 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But it's still a fun interview because I believe he talks extensively about being a Juggalo. And I think now that is over so we can look back at the good times when Vanilla Ice was a Juggalo and now look forward to him being the only person who didn't cancel out on the Trump 4th of July party and then they canceled on him. Anyway, check out our replays every Tuesday. But I say, like, tune in. Subscribe. You're. If you're subscribed, it will just pop up. You don't have to do anything. Right? It's easy. And if you're following us, even better. It helps us. It really does. Anyway, back to the discord. Sean McBee writes, Think how much more quickly Becky could have gotten a text out if she had just strapped her phone to the drone and let it drift gently down to ground level instead of trying to fly it all the way to the motel with a dumb note. Oh, boy, Sean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, all that drama, and I still don't believe it would have gotten that far. I knew it went out of range, but I still think that was a real. A real long shot. All right, next up, Dove writes, director Scott Mann felt the need to add himself to the return address label on the box of Dan's Ashes. Where you can see the funeral home is on Scott Avenue in Man, Arizona. Sadly, you can't see Becky's address since her last name and address are covered by the red cremated remain sticker on the box. No idea how it would have made it to her. Yeah, you know what? I don't blame this on Scott Mann. I say, this is the production department trying to have some fun and impress the good old director. And I think the director would have been like, oh, that's good. That's fun. I like that. But, yeah, but they should have been more concerned about making the package actually be something that could have been delivered. That image is even funnier when you see it covering it up. It just says Beck. Not even the last name, fun facts47 writes, when it's revealed that Shiloh has been dead, we see a vulture feasting on a corpse. Later, Becky kills the same vulture and eats it for sustenance. Does this make Becky a cannibal since she's getting nutrients from her friend's remains? Oh, boy. You know what? You, you, you, you, you, you. I. I got a sick Aaron from Vermont on you. Okay, fun facts 47, come on, let's not shit on the vultures. Sneaky Zebra writes. New here, but longtime listener. I worked on the Fall and the upcoming Fall two. Wait, what? Whoa, whoa, whoa. And as the director knows, I did find one plot hole that didn't get brought up by anyone. So Hunter's phone is at the bottom of the tower in pieces after the unsuccessful shoe drop. Then they use Becky's phone to fly the drone. But why would Becky have the drone app on her phone when the drone belongs to Hunter? You know, here's what I'm gonna say. Why is the D in her name? Is that the one? That's the one that I really feel like we need the answer on Sneaky Zebra. Yeah, I'll buy that. But I mean, yes, that's a nitpicky note, but there are so many other grand details that were left on the table. Anyway, Stiggy Zebra continues to write. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Fall was a pandemic made movie with a low budget, and I think the team did an incredible job filming it. And the post production was crazy. I'm reminded of this every day at work since the tower platform stunt. Vulture and Backpack still sit in our office. Just to let you know, I sent the episode to Scott Mann. No, no, Sneaky Zebra. We're not supposed to do that. The writer and director of Fall and the writer and producer of Fall too, and he said this was very funny. Loved it. Scott is really awesome, so I'd love to see him get even more success. Cheers. Gary, the guy who sent the Jason X posters to you many, many years ago. Well, I appreciate the posters, but Sneaky Zebra, don't do that. Don't. Don't send anything to the writers and directors of this stuff. We don't want to do that. We like Scott Mann. Scott Mann did a great job. You know, I think that, honestly, like we said, it is a fun movie. And with all these inside pieces of info you gave us nothing about Fall two that I want to know more about anyway. Wow. You know, write in about that Sneaky Zebra. Don't go in here. And bust our our game by sending it to one of the people out there. That's. I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like it when people go. I told them what you said not to say. That's an impression of sneaky zebra. But yeah, leave it, Mario. You know what? There's only one winner here today. And. And I apologize because it came up so early, but yeah, Dell Preston, you are the winner. The Danger D connection is bigger than anything at all. And you know, Del, since we talked a lot about hotel checkout times, I wanted to make sure that you wake up on time whenever you have to leave a hotel. So your prize is I am gonna give you a personalized wake up message. All you gotta do is save this audio and set it as your alarm clock ringtone. Pretty good, right? Here we go. Ready? Goooood. Morning, Dell. This is your hotel concierge Peril Paul, telling you it is time to wake up and get your little butt out of bed. You heard me, Dell. Wake up now. Because there are some girls stuck on a tower and they're sending the drone right to your room. Don't hit that snooze button, okay? Don't be a fucking asshole. This hotel has to change over and you gotta save some girls lives. So you think about that when you say just five more minutes. Oh, I know you're tired. I know you need to shower and eat your continental breakfast. It's just a waffle. It's not that great of a deal, okay? It's a fucking toaster waffle, man. So get packed. Get your ass out of there. Don't try to go swimming 10 minutes before checkout time, okay? Save those girls and help a hotel. All right? Wake up. Wake up. Wake up. There it is. What a prize. And for all you losers out there jealous that you didn't get your own wake up message, just delete the part where I say Dell. But you can also try to win a brand new prize next episode by leaving us a voicemail at speakpipe

[Steve]

or

[Paul Shear]

by writing us on our discord. All right, coming up after one last break, Jason and I will just chat with Elliot Glaser. But first, here's a bonus deleted scene of our fall episode where June, Jason and I try to figure out more ways that Becky and Hunter could have gotten down from the tower. Take a listen.

[Jason]

When Hunter goes down to the satellite dish to retrieve the backpack, why doesn't she bring Becky's phone?

[Elliot Glazer]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jason]

Hoping. Okay, so that is what you're saying.

[June]

Or bring Becky down, which still seems

[Elliot Glazer]

a lot safer than sending Hunter back up.

[Jason]

I think that they can't. Like, the satellite dish is not a safe place to be. I think they want to be on the platform. But I agree with you. Moving down has got to be the priority. I really was like, they don't try and fashion any kind of tension thing. Like, they could. I was like, wrap the rope around the post.

[Mark]

Right.

[Jason]

So that it is tense. Because they've got climbing harnesses. They've got, like, they've got some gear so that you can. The way that guys do the telephone pole.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, right, right.

[June]

Yeah.

[Jason]

That's kind of what you're talking about earlier, June, where they lean back into it, but you can create tension around the. Around the pole with a. They've got 50ft of rope. 1.

[Paul Shear]

In the lumberjack show, June, we saw the guys do that.

[Jason]

One of them could have, using some sort of tension and release. Tension and release, gotten themselves at least somewhere down the hole to get a signal.

[Paul Shear]

Well, they keep on saying. They keep on saying, like, we're as high or higher than the Eiffel Tower. And I think that's meant to tell you that there's no signal. But I. But correct me if I'm wrong, that's where signal would be. Right. Because it's satellites in the sky. Like, it seems like by going higher, they're going higher. Well, I don't know.

[Elliot Glazer]

I mean, you don't get signals on planes without WI fi up.

[Jason]

Yeah, I know, but that.

[Paul Shear]

But it's a satellite.

[Jason]

I think they're trying to tell us that they are above towers. Above cell towers, you know?

[Paul Shear]

Oh, God.

[Jason]

I mean, I agree. This is a problem that all modern movies have is how do we kill the cell phones?

[Paul Shear]

Right. Yeah. I mean. And look. And again, I will. I will buy. I'll buy. According to online, which I'm not gonna go deeper in, it says about 2,000ft above the ground. You will not be able to get cell phone service.

[Jason]

Okay, so that's where they are. They're 2,600ft above. So.

[Paul Shear]

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[Elliot Glazer]

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to actually be here.

[Jason]

I mean, can you believe it? Right here on Zoom. I mean, heartbreakingly, Paul and I were just in New York. We could have all hung out together.

[Elliot Glazer]

Oh, I'm in la.

[Jason]

Wait, what? Yeah, hold on. Stop this recording. We're all meeting in person.

[Elliot Glazer]

I think everyone just assumes I'm in New York from my work and my face.

[Jason]

Yeah, I think I. I think I thought you were still a New York person. Have you always been an LA person and I just didn't know, or is this.

[Elliot Glazer]

No, I've just. I've been here for. Well, I've been here for, like, 10 years now.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah. What the am I talking about?

[Paul Shear]

But here's what I'm gonna say. It's good to have people assume that you're in New York. Like, that's not a bad assumption. Right? Like, you know, it kind of makes you cooler. I mean, I still have a 917 phone number, and I feel like that

[Jason]

establishes me in some 917 boys.

[Mark]

I love this.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, I love that.

[Elliot Glazer]

Oh, my God. I got that as soon as I could when it. Cause you're from Long island too, Paul. I mean, I wanted to get rid of my 516 as soon as I possibly could. Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

Hate that 516. Can't. Can't. What part of Long island are you from?

[Elliot Glazer]

I'm from Smithtown.

[Steve]

Where?

[Elliot Glazer]

Didn't you work at the Blockbuster there?

[Paul Shear]

I worked at the Blockbuster in Syosset.

[Elliot Glazer]

Oh, okay.

[Paul Shear]

Smithtown was a place that I hung out and had a lot of acclaim. The Smith Haven Mall was in Smithtown. You know, there's a lot of time I spent in Smithtown. You know, we're Suffolk boys. I mean, Suffolk boys.

[Elliot Glazer]

That's true.

[Paul Shear]

Is a whole different thing.

[Jason]

And that was a gang you guys belonged to?

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, the Suffolk Boys.

[Jason]

Come on. The Suffolk boys

[Elliot Glazer]

is where my grandma lived. And so we would go to the picket lane, like, pool and tennis club, which was basically just like a country club for Jews. We were not invited anywhere else.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, look, at least you got to a country club. My family, we did nothing like that. There was no even knowledge that there were camps going on in the summer for kids.

[Elliot Glazer]

Oh, really?

[Paul Shear]

That just stopped early on. And I was like, you're at home all the time. And I was like, okay. And I actually loved it. I mean, I didn't like my camp experience early on, but then it was like, home with no options. None.

[Elliot Glazer]

Right. Of course. Well, for me, I mean, I. You know, so many Jews go to sleepaway camp, but I was so neurotic. And remain. I would say remain so. But I was so neurotic that I was just like, I'm not leaving home. Are you kidding me? Like, that wasn't even on the table. Sleep away. I'm gonna sleep somewhere else. Like, Oh.

[Jason]

I had the exact opposite. I was the exact opposite. I was. My par Made me stay home and wouldn't allow me to go to camp. And so the only thing I dreamt of was getting to go to sleep, having the independence of going to sleepaway camp.

[Elliot Glazer]

Oh, I was such a. I mean, honestly, I was such a nervous wreck as a kid that there was one summer, actually. Paul, do you know what Usedan is?

[Paul Shear]

No.

[Elliot Glazer]

Usedan is this, like, arts Camp. Like a summer camp on Long island in, like, Wyandance or something.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, sure.

[Elliot Glazer]

It's super duper artsy. It's all art. It's like creative arts for kids. And I went there one summer, I think I was like 8 years old. And that summer I watched something on TV that was like a shitty tabloid show where they did a whole thing about these aliens that came down to Earth and, like, essentially crashed a bunch of friends, like, in a. Camping. A weekend camping in the woods. And, like, from what I remember, the big green aliens, like, molested these nude people from behind, and it was. Destroyed my brain. And so that whole summer I was in crippling fear of being abducted or at least, like, molested by aliens. So you stand was a nightmare.

[Jason]

I think the sad news for you is that our listeners are absolutely going to figure out what that was that you watched, and they're going to start sending you stills from that image from that movie.

[Paul Shear]

We will cure you of this by exposure therapy.

[Elliot Glazer]

Yes, yes.

[Jason]

Next year, you're going to camp.

[Elliot Glazer]

Going to you, Stan.

[Paul Shear]

I went to La Salle Military School camp. That was the one that I went to. And military school camp doesn't really feel like it works in very incongruous terms. Right. Because it's like. And so it was very organized and very, you know, a lot of authority. But I remember that my parents did take me out when I said they. The men that are watching us, like, stand in the bathroom while we pee. Now, I don't think it was sexual, but I do feel like it was like. It was like they were making sure there was no tomfoolery going on, but they were just. To have, like, to be peeing in front of your counselors. It struck me as weird. I'm a big believer in this with my own kids, where I'm like, just tell us what's on your mind. Like, of course don't. And if it hits you as weird, we may not be able to label it. We'll get you out of there.

[Elliot Glazer]

Why were you at military camp? Were you a bad kid?

[Paul Shear]

No, I just. I mean, look, I believe that my parents were ill equipped to make smarter decisions about. Like, they didn't think, like, oh, military school, that won't be fun. Like, you know that. Like, you know, it's like. Or like, what is he into? Like, I was just forced into camps where it was like, you're gonna be doing sports all the time. Which is. For me, it was like, no, I didn't want to do that.

[Jason]

You needed the Arts camp.

[Paul Shear]

I did. I just needed something. Yes. I should have gone there and gotten abducted. No, but it's. It's a funny thing, because now I look at camps for my kids, it's like Star wars camp. And, you know, you know, it's every. It's every thing. Magic camp, all this stuff. I think back in Long island, it felt like kickball, baseball. That was it. Like, you just. It was this. It was this sports separated by.

[Jason]

Was the, Was the military school camp anything like. Like, was it just normal camp activities or were you doing, like, boot camp kind of stuff? Were you doing military stuff?

[Paul Shear]

I remember that it was just a lot of. We had to march on lines or painted lines around the entire camp. Oh, yeah. And we had to, like, stay on the line.

[Jason]

Your summer was spent marching. Marching on lines and doing like, like marching call outs. Like, I don't know what happened.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, essentially. And I believe that there were, like, some sports in there, but the sports were not even like, the sports that I hated. These ones I hated even more. It was like fencing, like, you know, it was like, you know, it was like, like things that were not fun as a kid. I, I. No offense to people out there who love fencing, but, you know, you don't want to be put.

[Jason]

By the way, good for you, Paul, for saying that, because it just sounds

[Elliot Glazer]

like the whole camp was a punishment.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Paul Shear]

And I'm sure it might have been like. And that's the other thing. That's where my parents didn't probably go, like, a smidge deeper into it. Like, what is this? They probably just heard, oh, yeah, La Salle Military School camp. That would be fun.

[Elliot Glazer]

Is that in, like, Stony Brook or something?

[Paul Shear]

Gosh, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna Google it as we are talking about it. By the way, let me just tell you, your book, which is, you know, which I say to everybody, pre order that stuff now, that makes a very big difference in book sales and everything like that. It's coming out next week. You can maybe see Elliot out there. But I love your book. I am such a fan of this kind of writing. Like, the look, we all love David Sedaris. I feel like you are not David Sedaris, but it's. If you like David Sedaris, you will like this book. I like. I think you have your own style that's beautiful and funny and dirtier and awesome. It just. I'm just saying, like, but this is like, if you like books like this, you're gonna love it. It's a great collection of essays.

[Elliot Glazer]

Well, thank you. I mean, I feel kind of like a dumber David Sedaris. I mean, my. My publishers were very kind initially when. Like, when. When I signed on with them, and they're like, it is. It's very David Sedaris adjacent, and I would never. I would never be compelled to compare myself to him. I like to think that, you know, I think the goal for me in this being my first, you know, book of comedic essays was essentially to sort of strike that balance between, like, normal, like, lol, dumb conversational comedy, and then also attempting to be a little bit more literate, which is unique because, as you guys, I'm sure, are aware, it's like, comedy is different in different mediums. So on the paper, you know, like, if I'm reading something that's really funny, like a memoir, there are times when I actually laugh. But something can be hilarious on the paper with me, just, you know, a small smirk, which feels more literary than, like, you know, hard comedy. So I really tried to balance the two.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. One of the most fun things I learned in the process of writing my book, too, is I would sometimes just to get my, like, motor going in the beginning, I would say a story out loud and record it and then be like. And I found out very quickly, oh, that doesn't work. Because it's two very different types of things. And it's about the turn of phrase. It's about the way that these words are. It gives you such an element of craft, and I feel like you have that in spades. It's great. By the way, in the Sound. Military camp in Oakdale. Oakdale, Long island.

[Elliot Glazer]

Still active.

[Paul Shear]

It looks like it's closed down. And here's what I will say. There's a lot of kids on Reddit or a lot of people on Reddit going, my mom threatened to send me there. Oh, my God. Yeah. It was like. And then like. Yeah. And so there's a lot of. A lot of bad memories here. Yeah.

[Elliot Glazer]

I've never even heard of Oakdale.

[Paul Shear]

You know, that's the beauty of Long Island. I will meet so many people from Long Island. They're like, oh, yeah, I grew up here. And I'm like, okay, sure. Like, I. It was a train stop. But I don't. I don't know. I don't even. I'm not familiar with it. It makes me feel like I didn't explore any of Long Island. I knew my five stops about it.

[Elliot Glazer]

Sure. I mean, I. I'd certainly explain explored, but, you know, I think you know, youth is different for everybody where they grow up. I'm sure, you know, everybody has their own take on where they grew up. But I have always thought, especially in comparison to like, quote unquote, normal people, like, Long island is one of the weirdest places I could possibly imagine because it has so many different personalities in different places. But it's all sort of soaked in the stink of like, toxic masculinity. Toxic masculinity and ostentatiousness.

[Paul Shear]

It is just. There are some moments where I'm like, whoa. I mean, there was a. I don't know if you ever got this too. And not to make this all about my dumb stories, I'll just tell one more. And then where I got put in a headlock at an Italian restaurant one time, of course, because I was told, you think you're funny. You think you're funny. And then all of a sudden the fucking owner of the Italian restaurant had me in a headlock. And I don't even know how that happened. But that.

[Jason]

See, that feels very Boston to me. I grew up in suburban Boston, which also feels Long island adjacent in its attitudes. Like.

[Elliot Glazer]

Yeah, I would totally agree with that.

[Jason]

A lot of meathead crazy aggro. Like. Like half of my high school football team did steroids for no reason. They were not. They were not gifted athletically. They just thought that if they did steroids they'd get into the NFL, you know, and it was ridiculous. So, yeah, yeah, lots of crazy aggro energy.

[Elliot Glazer]

Yeah. I mean, I can still smell like the body spray and the bad. You know, the hairspray and the, like. It's just. It was so weirdly ostentat. It's very tasteless.

[Paul Shear]

You know, I wanna. Cause this is one part of Long island that I don't know that much about. And it's one. Again, it's a closed window that I have in my experiences there. But there's a great chapter in your book about Fire island, and that's a whole other side of Long island that I'm just very.

[Elliot Glazer]

Fire island in particular, I didn't really take advantage of until I was an adult. And when I say take advantage of, I mean I was dragged into a timeshare in a gay party fantasia that I found really nerve wracking. And that's what the chapter's all about. But even so, to be a closeted kid knowing now like, whoa, I could have, like, taken a ferry to Pines and Fire island and like, figured shit out.

[Aaron]

Like.

[Elliot Glazer]

Like, there's so much that could have happened. And that is crazy that even though I was like racked with fear as a, you know, closeted kid in this Super Macho Place, 20, 25 minutes away was a ferry ride to like gay Fantasia.

[Paul Shear]

That's wild. Well, it's so funny and I, I feel dumb for saying this and but I guess I can feel okay about it. Like, I didn't grow up in the 50s, I didn't grow up in the 40s. I want to tell you that I didn't understand that there were like gay people in the world because of my, like, I had an uncle or a cousin who was gay and it felt like. And he is gay and we like him and that's. And that's where we are. But like, I remember when I moved into New York, I was like, oh, wait, hold on. Like I just, it wasn't in the cards. And I think back on that so much. Cause I'm like, wow. I was sheltered in a way where I'm so close to the city, I'm so close to so many different things, but it was not in my purview at all.

[Elliot Glazer]

Exactly. Yes. And that's what's, that's another part of living there that's wild is you're in the shadow of a metropolis. So you have access to worldliness and you have access to like, like a, you know, a cosmopolitan wonderland. But there is such a small mindedness that happens even. Not even just that. Like you're talking about like just kind of growing up, not ignorant, just like unaware. But then you have the idea of people who are like the city.

[Paul Shear]

I don't do the city.

[Elliot Glazer]

Oh, you know, I don't go anywhere. And it's like, wait, why then why do you live here? Like, it's so expensive.

[Jason]

It makes no sense. That's similar to where I grew up in Boston. It felt very similarly like people.

[Elliot Glazer]

Why would you go to Boston, which

[Jason]

is seven miles away? It's just right there. We can see it.

[Elliot Glazer]

It's right there. You can do so many things there. You can meet different people there. Like, oh, what are you talking about?

[Jason]

We got movies here. We got.

[Steve]

What are you.

[Elliot Glazer]

It's so, it's so also to your point about Boston, what's also interesting is that you're talking about how it feels so, you know, rough and like, you know, scrappy, but at the same time you're amid like academia.

[Jason]

Oh my God.

[Elliot Glazer]

How those two things can coexist is wild.

[Jason]

In a city that is like full of the most students in the country, it is Also full of meatheads who are like, you think you're smarter than me? Hey, exactly. You think you're fucking smarter than me?

[Elliot Glazer]

I can't believe those two things coexist, but they do.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah. And it just means that there are fights every night at every subway shop, correct?

[Elliot Glazer]

That's right.

[Paul Shear]

There is a piece of footage that I absolutely loved from the Knicks win. So they won in San Antonio. And there's a video called, like, 1 versus 500. And it's like one San Antonio fan just taking on every Knicks fan in a fight. And there was something about that, watching that piece of footage, which, surprisingly, the San Antonio guy did pretty well. But the other piece of footage that got me was another San Antonio fan standing out on his balcony in Brooklyn, right? Like out there and kind of like yelling at the crowd down below who's celebrating the Knicks victory. And then these motherfucking Knick fans scaled the building to get up on the fire escape and fight this guy. And seeing them scale a building, like Spider man, to get into this fight over, like, the Knicks, like, it just. There is that thing where I walked past.

[Jason]

I walked past a group of Knicks fans. It was like 3 o' clock in the morning on the streets in New York, like a group of, like, young guy guys, all, like, hyped up. And one of them was like, let's go find that guy who wanted to fight us. And his buddy was like, I think he took off, man. Like, oh, man, we can't fight anybody.

[Paul Shear]

That's the thing. I didn't understand that fighting was not normal. Like, I fought so much as a kid, it was like, this is what we do. There's always fights going on.

[Jason]

Every night ended in Massachusetts. Every night ended in a fight. For sure, that would be the end of the party.

[Elliot Glazer]

But even the idea of people being like, flagpole, 3pm or whatever, setting a time to. To hit each other seems so strange to me. But even in terms of scaling the walls of it all, I'm very happy to see the Knicks win. And I'm very happy to see the city be so caught up in it. I think that's wonderful. But at a certain point, I'm always just like, what is it about sports that makes people lose their. Like, to climb buildings? Like, in Philly, it's even. I mean, in Philly, horseshit.

[Paul Shear]

Forgetting horseshit.

[Jason]

In Philly, they have to.

[Elliot Glazer]

Greasing poles. Yes, but if you're not on the team, like, how can you. I don't know why one gets so, like, it Changes their brain chemistry.

[Jason]

Well, it really gives. I feel like. And we talked a little bit before we started the show. Elliot, you're a tremendous presence on the Howard Stern Wrap up show whenever you're on there. Both Paul and I have done the show many times. But it's interesting to listen to the grown men on the Howard Stern show talk about the Knicks because it's one of the only instances I feel like, where men allow themselves to feel emotions.

[Elliot Glazer]

Yes, that's so true.

[Jason]

It's this kind of thing which is like, we can be emotional and let our emotions run wild. When it's about our team, then it's okay. Like, then it's okay to cry or then it's okay to be on the roller coaster of emotion or care about something like this, you know?

[Elliot Glazer]

Yeah. And even. Even, like Howard and John Hein, they were talking the other day, the whole group, they were talking about the curses and the jinxes. The jinxes. That happens when Howard's wife is on her phone or someone's not in the room, or they are. They're in the room. And these people who are so. Especially Howard, who's so practical and so reasonable minded and so science based, was really allowing himself to have fantastical thoughts.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah.

[Elliot Glazer]

And it never happens, but it's like, wow, basketball, a game really takes hold of these. Of men's emotional states in a way that I can't. I don't know what else would.

[Jason]

It's. I think it's the stories that they let themselves get caught up in. I think that sports are the stories that men are like. I get invested in this narrative and it's full of ups and downs, and it gives me. I think I'm rooting for these characters. And it's a way that these are some of the only narratives that I feel like men can get involved in that have emotional stakes for them, because I don't think otherwise. They participate in behavior that allows themselves to exercise their emotions that way.

[Paul Shear]

Let me tell you, I am somebody who I think has a foot in either side. I am somebody who I believe is in touch with my emotions. I am not perfect. I try to be. You know, I'm always trying to learn and be open, but I can get myself locked into some superstitions. Like, I wore a pair of shoes one time to a Clippers game, and I was like, okay. And they lost. And I was like, can't wear those shoes again. Or until it gets far, far enough away that I feel like the stank is off those shoes. Like you know, there. There are certain things, and I found myself this season, if you follow basketball at all, the. The Clippers had a decidedly awful. One of the worst openings of an NBA season in history and then had one of the most tremendous comebacks. Like, they went from an unbelievable losing season to a winning season, and no one has ever done that in NBA history. What they did that first half of the season, I was miserable. I was miserable. I was like, why am I upset? Like, what am I pissed off at? Is it my career? Is it my wife? Is my. No, it was my basketball team. And I had to then say to myself, I am checking out. I am going to take off the alerts on my phone. They're losing, and I'm not watching. I didn't go to any of the games because I was like, I have a season tickets. And I was like, I'm not. I can't. I can't support this because it's destroying me. Like, it's not fun for me.

[Elliot Glazer]

Well, I have to say, as. As hard as that sounds, when it's. When the season is not going well.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Elliot Glazer]

I am genuinely envious that you have this external thing, this, like, ongoing, you know, sport with. With players and staff.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, the draft is coming up.

[Elliot Glazer]

I'm excited. Text chains that to me. I'm like, God, I wish I were passionate about something like that, that I followed closely and had. I mean, the only thing that gets. The only two things that get remotely close to that, for me are very much opposite ends of the spectrum. One is Stern, like, the Stern universe, and the other is RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, my gosh.

[Elliot Glazer]

Both things, like, sort of traffic in that.

[Paul Shear]

Have you, by the way, seen Stop that Train?

[Elliot Glazer]

Not yet. You're in it.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, my gosh. I'm in it for about 25 seconds and thrilled to be in it, but it is great.

[Mark]

But.

[Paul Shear]

No, but I think it's all the same thing, right? It is. It's like, these are, like, we're on the side. Like Howard Stern, and I know Jason and I have been there together. Like, there's something magical about it. It's like, where I don't want to mess it up, but I want to just be around it. I also don't want to, like, for lack of a better term, when I go, I've gotten a few chances of being around Clippers players and talking to them. I don't want to. I don't want to fan out, but I also want to be there. Like, it's a very hard Thing to kind of find that emotional place. But I'm so. I'm like a kid. Like, I'm. I'm. And we did the league and I.

[Elliot Glazer]

And that's the. That's the joy of it, though, I imagine.

[Paul Shear]

Yes. Yes, that's what it is. Because, like, you can. And that's why I'll say, like, going to the Stop that Train premiere, there's so many people there that just were fans of Drag Race. And my good friend, a dad out here that I am friends with. That's his show. He's been making Drag Race forever. He's the best. But it's sort of like that fandom is. It is sports. You're rooting for your people, and then they're. You know, and it's like. And you want to see them. It's like, I think we all have it, you know, and it's like. But I think I always go back to Howard Stern as being, like, the ultimate parasocial relationship because you have opinions about these people. It's like, I think reality TV is

[Jason]

on the format of what I was just exactly gonna say. Like, I don't watch any reality tv. I don't watch any of the Housewives or anything like that. But Stern is unequivocally a reality show that I've been tuned into for 25 years now that I'm so invested in. And I'm serious when I say I believe I've asked for one selfie with someone in my entire life. In my entire life, I've asked for one selfie, and that person was Marianne from Brooklyn.

[Elliot Glazer]

Oh, my God.

[Jason]

Who? Paul and I saw Elliot, you will be jealous of this. Paul and I saw because we went to. The Howard birthday bash was one of

[Paul Shear]

the best nights, one of the best

[Jason]

nights, which was incredible. And she walked by, and I heard her voice only, and I was like, that's Marianne from Brooklyn. And I ran up to get a selfie, and I could not be more excited.

[Elliot Glazer]

Well, it's just so interesting because these people are all, like, peripheral characters on an. You know, in a mostly audio format, you know, but you're so invested in them. You know so much about them. I mean, that's just so unique and so. I don't know. It's just so rare.

[Paul Shear]

It's fun. I mean, look, I think we should all be fans. I think that we are in this business. We should have things that we just absolutely love and love with no other reason than just like, I'm into this. I want to embrace this. I Think it's good for. I think it's a good thing.

[Jason]

I think so much of this show is about promoting our own individual fandoms. You know, fandoms for bad movies, fandoms for stuff that we talk about.

[Paul Shear]

Whatever it is. Yeah, it. I think it's. And I think that that's the thing that is maybe lost and. And is viewed as being childish. But when it's put in sports with men or men that are not in touch with other things where they can't fan out, where they can't be like, I love Widow's Bay. Like, you know, like, you know, like, they're not. Like, they may like it, but they're not gonna love it. But they can.

[Jason]

I love Meatheads, Love Widow's Bay as well, because, boy, it's terrific.

[Paul Shear]

But you know what I'm saying? It's like, I think the. That sports allows them because it's real, right? It's not fake. The writing, it's not fake. But there is that Howard Macho. Not macho, but like, more alpha guys like Howard. Hey, Howard, I gotta tell you, you know, it's like.

[Jason]

Well, there's this funny thing that happens on Stern almost every year around the time of Comic Con where they will pull up pictures of either out of shape people dressed as Captain America or out of shape people. You know, they basically are making fun of people who are cosplaying but don't have the superhero bodies. And I'm like, what's the difference between that and you wearing a jersey of somebody that you.

[Paul Shear]

100%.

[Jason]

You don't play basketball or you don't. You're not an elite athlete, but you still dress up in their uniforms. What's the difference? I know.

[Paul Shear]

It's so. I mean, by the way, that's my dumbest bit that I do with my kids is like, whenever I see anybody in Jersey. Guys, guys, Jalen Bronson's over there. I do it all the time with

[Jason]

my dumbest bit while we're promoting fandom. Elliot, your book, of course. But is there anything you are very passionate about right now that you would like to.

[Paul Shear]

That you would like, beyond Drag Race or like, shows or a movie or anything like that?

[Elliot Glazer]

Well, I mean, I mean, I have the book coming out in soon, in August. The Terrible, Horrible, no Good, Very Bad Gay. But then I'm also. I mean, I'm interested in talking about sports because I have a. A video podcast coming out in.

[Paul Shear]

Charles Barkley.

[Elliot Glazer]

Yeah, with Charles Barkley.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, this is amazing. So you and Charles Barkley, like, you are going to be. You basically are coming in from the point of view of, like, I don't know much about sports. And you're gonna be able to sit down with Charles. And I forget the third person who's involved in it.

[Elliot Glazer]

Well, so it's just me. Charles is executive producing at. But I'll be interviewing different, like, world star athletes in each episode.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, my gosh.

[Elliot Glazer]

So Charles will be in our pilot.

[Paul Shear]

Got it.

[Elliot Glazer]

With me interviewing him about sports. And it's not that I know little about sports. I know nothing about sports. Okay, so good.

[Jason]

What a great idea.

[Elliot Glazer]

It's a little bit turned. It's me turned up, like, just turned up a little bit in how not just illiterate I am when it comes to sports, but how it's almost like I don't unders. Almost like I'm an alien who just landed on Earth. And it's just doesn't even understand, like, balls and gravity and physics.

[Paul Shear]

I love this, like, all, like, just

[Elliot Glazer]

taking it to that approach where it's like I just.

[Mark]

Just.

[Elliot Glazer]

It's not just not being a sports fan. It's just not even understanding why, like, what's the deal with this?

[Jason]

Elliot, if you ever need a co host for an episode, I am similarly sports ignorant and sports agnostic. I don't. I'm. I have no frame of reference. I'm not engaged ever.

[Natalie]

That's.

[Elliot Glazer]

That's the. Yeah, but that's sort of what I found has.

[Jason]

But your natural curiosity for stories and for stories and people is essential. Yes.

[Elliot Glazer]

It's not coming from a shady place. It's coming from a place of curiosity and baffling ignorance.

[Paul Shear]

Well, this is what I'll tell you, that the coolest thing about sports in many respects is exactly what we're all talking about, which is the story, right? The story of these players like Jalen Brunson, you know, and his dad is a story that was part of this, you know, of this championship. And there's all these, like, little things. Like, there's a great. One of the great guys on the Spurs, Champagne. He was cut from the 76ers to make room for Mac McClung. Mack McClung is just an amazing dunker, like, and he. But he's not a great basketball player. But they had to pick him up so he could put him in the All Star game for the. The dunk weekend. So they got rid of this guy Champagney. He's awesome. But they just did it to have representation in the All Star Game.

[Jason]

Champagne Sounds like one of the new guys on Jackass.

[Paul Shear]

Hey, John. I mean, I would love to see champagne at that.

[Jason]

Oh, man, it's poopies. It's champagney. And they're in with Preston and. And Wee Man.

[Paul Shear]

I love champagne. Should be in there. Elliot, we're gonna listen to your podcast. We're gonna, more importantly, buy your book. We're gonna pre order your book. Even though it comes out next week. Just order it now. Get it done now. Because honestly, just to say, I just wanna make sure that people know this. If you like Elliot, where you're gonna help them the most is by getting this book before the book comes out. Because that helps to all the. It makes other bookstores order them. It made New York Times bestseller list, all those sort of things. So this is where you can do it and you can order it in many different spots. You don't have to feel like, well, I'm not gonna go through Amazon. You can, but you can also. There's many places that you can find a book. You can support independent bookstores by pre ordering. It actually does help too. But anyway, so I just want to make sure.

[Jason]

And you're gonna be doing some live book promotion in New York and LA and maybe some other spots.

[Elliot Glazer]

Yeah, hopefully some other smaller cities too. But I.

[Jason]

Is the book available in an audiobook? Do you read the audiobook?

[Paul Shear]

And that's gonna be the audiobook.

[Jason]

I feel like you're. I feel like you reading this book is gonna be like. Like, I listened to Paul's book as the audiobook because I want to hear that. Like, I want to hear you tell me these stories in my ears.

[Elliot Glazer]

And I think, honestly was so cathartic and I don't know about you, Paul, but it was so cathartic to actually do the audiobook because, you know, in trying to, like, in trying to hit the right note between like, literary and like, stand up, ish, observational, performative comedy, getting to do it on the audiobook and getting to bring those words to life and put it in, like, actual voice was so special.

[Paul Shear]

You know, what was so interesting was I listened to Kevin Hart's, one of Kevin Hart's books on tape, and he really, I mean, and this, there could be multiple reasons for this, but he basically was like, I'm just gonna do it my way and, and kind of. And it was fun. It's like, yeah, you can make it your own and it's your own voice and the inflections change. It's. I, I love it. I, I recommend that Everybody listen to the art book. Buy any version of it you can. And if you can't buy it, then make sure you reserve it at the library. It is the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad gay Elliot Glaser. You can check out Elliot on his podcast. You can also check him out on social media. This has been great. Come back again. We should have you on episode one time as well. And.

[Jason]

Oh, please.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. Congrats. Congrats on this. The book comes out next week.

[Jason]

Think of any favorite bad movies you might have that you might want to discuss with us.

[Elliot Glazer]

Okay, Just two questions. Do you remember ever doing Theodore Rex or the Fanatic?

[Paul Shear]

Oh, the Fanatic would be great. Let's mark that out. Scott, we'll mark it in.

[Elliot Glazer]

That is one that my friend and I watched in amazement. Like, he and I love to watch these movies. And a lot of them have showed up, obviously on how did this get made? But Theodore Rex, we still talk about the Fanatic. And we watched Reagan, which was wild.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Huh.

[Jason]

Wait, is that Dennis Quaid as Reagan?

[Elliot Glazer]

Is that Dennis Quaid as Reagan? It is a wild movie.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, I will tell you that I was in the place where they shot Reagan in Oklahoma City after they had wrapped. And the stories that I had heard about the shooting of that thing was mind blowing. Like, in a way that I was like, whoa. And for a long time I was like, when is that ever gonna come out? And then it did come out, but it seemed somebody said to me, it can never be released.

[Jason]

Right?

[Paul Shear]

And they did. And some of the reviews are like, this shouldn't have been released. Yeah. So it does hit some nice moments there.

[Elliot Glazer]

It's nuts. Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

All right, well, great, Elliot, thank you so much.

[Elliot Glazer]

Thank you.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, Elliot, the best. Thank you for stopping by. And if you want to order Elliot's book, just check out the show notes at the link. By the way, I believe his book is 40% off on Audible right now. As is mine. Well, mine is until the 10th. So get your books. And Elliot reading it is gonna be a treat. Anyway, now is the moment that you've all been waiting for so patiently. It is time to announce our next film next week, the D Endanger. D doesn't stand for Dan. It stands for Diesel. That's right. We'll be closing out our extreme summer with 2002's XXX starring. How did this get made? All star Vin Diesel, Asia Argento and Samuel L. Jackson. IMDb breaks in the plot like this. The US government recruits extreme sports athlete Xander Cage to infiltrate a Russian criminal ring which is plotting the destruction of the world. Rotten Tomatoes rates this film a 48% and critic desen Thompson from the Washington Post wrote, triple X is essentially a dumb guy's day in heaven. And you know what? I'm a dumb guy and I loved it and it's terrible and you'll enjoy it. Listen to the trailer.

[Mark]

Revolution Studios presents the new breed of Secret Agent.

[Paul Shear]

I want all that in here

[Mark]

from the director of the Fast and the Furious this summer.

[Paul Shear]

Dangerous, Uncivilized. I love his attitude. Vin Diesel Ends Triple X I'm Untouchable now in case you're nervous about adult websites appearing when googling where to watch Triple X movie, I'll let you know that XXX is available to stream for free on Kanopy, Hoopla and Tubi. That is it for Last looks everybody. If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. Also, make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show and we appreciate it. Visit us on social media at hdtgm. And a big thank you to our producers, Scott Sonny and Molly Reynolds, our engineer Casey Holford and our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum and our intern, Emily Gelbard. And of course, we will forever be thankful to the one and only Avril Halle. We'll see you next week for Triple X. Bye for now.

[June]

What's up sports fans? I'm Rachel Demita, here to tell you about my show, Courtside Club. If you love hoops and hot takes, then you're in the right place. Want to hear about Caitlin Clark's unstoppable rise in the wnba? How stars like Wemby and Luka Doncic are dominating the NBA? Or maybe you just want the tea on this week's most viral sports moments. Don't worry, we'll keep you updated on all of it. So grab your popcorn and come hang with us courtside. You can listen to Courtside Club wherever you get your podcasts. Ooey and ah.

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