B (4:07)

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A (4:47)

All right, that's all the plugs we got right now. So let's get into it. Last week, we talked at length about Return to Oz. We had questions and we might have even missed a few things. Here's your chance to set us straight. Fact check us, if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. Corrections.

B (5:04)

And omission.

A (5:08)

There's no need for permission. You got it a little wrong. So he wrote down his song creations and donations. Thank you, Andrew Winston, for that theme song. And now I take a deep breath as we go to the discord. Sean McBee writes, I noticed in the credits, a special thanks to George Lucas. The reason for that is about five weeks into filming, Disney fired Walter Murch as director. George Lucas was in Japan at the time, flew to London to vouch for Walter, Steven Spielberg and Francis Ford Coppola also flew to support Merch, and he ended up being rehired within a week. But Lucas stayed there for a couple of weeks to advise and make sure that Merch was set up for success. Now, there's a little bit of insider information here, but I don't have where I got it from, so just believe me or then do the research for me. I believe that a lot of the crazier ideas are, are courtesy of our man George Lucas. So basically, George Lucas came in, advised, said, go crazier with it, and then was like, not mine. It kind of makes sense. Anyway, J writes TikTok, who, on top of being incredibly fun to watch, and that I do agree with, was also a marvel of practical effects. TikTok was operated from inside by a trampolinist, Michael Sudan, who, according to director Walter Murch, in order to fit into TikTok, would put his legs down into TikTok's legs, and then he would bend over looking through his legs, through his thighs, and then he would cross his arms across his chest to operate Tick Tock's arms. Furthermore, the heat inside the suit combined with being upside down meant Michael couldn't be in there for more than two and a half minutes at a time. There are some great pictures of this on our discord. You can check it out. It is truly an impressive feat. I actually got to see TikTok live, um, when I visited the Lucas archives. It was awesome. Now let's go to the phones and here's some more info on TikTok the robot from Liz in Wisconsin.

C (7:29)

Hi, Paul, June and Jason, this is Liz. And I just listened to your Return to Oz episode and thought I would share something brief that relates to another episode that you guys have done, which is that Tim Rose was the guy who operated the head of TikTok. I guess there was like two different people who ran him. And Tim Rose also was Admiral Ackbar and also was Howard the Duck. Just wanted to share that. Have a great day. Bye.

A (8:00)

Well, look at that. Some true amazing. I would say Lucasfilm history or like, they're all near the same. Bantha tracks would probably cover all of these. And that's how I knew this much about Return to Oz. Honestly, it must have been in Bantha tracks. I imagine ILM was involved or something. Anyway, I don't care that much. Here's some other things that we didn't mention about the show. The lead wheeler is played by Pons Mar, which was also the in suit performer for Theodore Rex. That's the dinosaur. Remember that Jack Pumpkinhead was voiced and co performed by Brian Henson, that's Jim Henson's son, who directed the Muppet Christmas Carol and also is in charge of Puppet up here in Los Angeles. If you've never seen Puppet up, check out Puppet Up. My cousin cousin performs in Puppet up and she is amazing. Monkeybone and Nightmare Before Christmas. Director Henry Selick was a storyboard artist on this film. Well, look at this. A lot of great people involved. And that's the thing. Visually, there's a lot of cool stuff. It just is a mashup of horror images. John from Texas, what do you got?

C (9:03)

Hey, Paul. Didn't even finish the wizard of Oz, the Return to Oz episode before I made this phone call because there is so much talk about how this movie is dark, because that's how the books are. But I've read these books to my children and, you know, they love them. We read the first four books and I gotta say, the books are way more full of whimsy and fun. And L. Frank Baum is like poking fun at capitalism and industrialization, stuff like that. Each chapter almost feels like it ends with a punchline. And while some of the creatures are maybe a little creepy, like the Jack Pumpkinhead, you know, they're not. I feel like they're not really portrayed that way in the book. They're more goofy and, you know, almost like the scarecrow was in the original movie that y' all loved. Dorothy does not come from an insane asylum in the third book, but she goes to Oz and all these things in this movie happen. She's on a trip to Australia with her uncle and she gets thrown overboard and sails to Oz. And then, yeah, her chicken starts barking. A lot of that stuff does happen, but I think that the movie, it's a much, much darker tone, actually, than the book. I think the book is whimsical, silly, and has some, you know, maybe creeper creepy concepts. But other than that, this movie is a. Is a darker turn. And if I may, I just want to say one last thing. When I was eight years old, I saw this movie on tv and I told my family about it and none of them believed me. They said, there is no sequel to wizard of Oz. This is before the Internet. This is back in the 90s. They had me convinced that it was my fever dream, that this whole movie, they literally told me, I think you just dreamt it up, John. I think you trimmed it up. And I was gaslit for years. So I really appreciated when I saw this on my feed that you guys covered this Film. Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work.

A (10:52)

See, I love this. I love this. Yes, the books are supposed to be whimsical, but you know what? Sometimes we're reading off of research. We're putting stuff together, we're giving people wait for it. The benefit of the doubt. But now you're taking that away. So we have to say that our original opinion stands. This movie is trash. Matthew from Atlanta, what do you got?

C (11:14)

Hi. I am partway through listening to the Return to Oz episode and as someone who grew up reading the Oz books, I really need to push back on this idea that the movie is a super faithful adaptation of the source material. There is a lot of visual faithfulness. It's fun to see characters who look like the original book illustrations, but in terms of tone, no, no, the books are not this dark. There is peril in the books from time to time. There is weirdness, a lot of weirdness. But it's all in service of the adventure. Oz is a place you want to go to. And the villains are not like horror villains, like the Wheelers in the book wind up admitting to Dorothy that they can't actually hurt anyone because they have no hands. The lady with 30 heads who is separate character from Omni is sort of a villain for a little while, but she's mostly just vain and lazy. And then the gnome king is a tyrant and he is a trickster, but he's also like a little pot belly guy who acts like a scaredy cat around eggs and he certainly never tries to eat anyone. And then the plot is a mishmash of the two books, plus some original ideas. Oz was never in ruins at any point in the series. I just mostly, I don't hate the movie. I like the movie actually. But I don't want people to pass on the books because they didn't like the mo. Because really the movie is doing something very different from the books. And I love the books. Thanks, Bye.

A (12:43)

Okay, so wait, it's visually faithful, like in the sense that. Okay, so that's what I'm saying. Everyone's disagreeing. I get the idea. Basically, they took all these characters, they threw them into a blender, and we couldn't really do what MGM did, which I totally understand. It was failed from the start. Can we just agree on that? It was failed from the start. It was not what we wanted. And yes, you might have liked it because when you were a kid, you probably wanted to see a sequel to your favorite fucking movie, but it wasn't truly a sequel. And guess what? Let it go. No. If you love this movie, great. You love it, I respect you. But you can also understand as a rational human being, why it's not good. Anyway, we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be back with more of your return to Oz phone calls. There. There's more. Stick around. Today's podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. Whether you're just starting out or scaling up your business, Squarespace is the all in one website platform designed to help your business stand out and succeed online. Now, I love Squarespace because it gives me everything I need. You can offer services and get paid all in one place. From consultations to events and experiences. Showcase your offerings with a customizable website designed to attract clients and grow your business. Get paid on time with professional on brand invoices and online payments. You can streamline your workflow. Keep it all in one spot. That's right. Built in appointment scheduling? Check. Email marketing tools, Check. I have been using Squarespace forever. You can see each one of my websites, whether it's the dark web, Paul Shear unspooled or how did this get made? Is completely a unique experience. And I love building there because it makes me feel free and creative to offer the things that I want to offer. Now. Head to squarespace.com bonkers for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code Bonkers. That's B O N K E R s. To save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. You know, every group has that someone you know, the person who insists on doing things the hard way. You know that friend still paying for a subscription that they forgot they had. The other one who refuses to update their phone because, well, it still works. And now there's one who still is overpaying for wireless in 2026. People, don't you know that Mint Mobile is here to help you? I mean, not with a lot of those, but really just the overpaying for wireless. See, Mint Mobile will give you the same coverage, same speed, just without the infl price tag. The premium wireless that you expect. Unlimited talk, text and data, but at a fraction of what the others charge. So are you ready to stop paying more than you have to? New customers can make the switch today for a limited time and get unlimited premium wireless for just $15 a month. Switch now@mintmobile.com hdtgm that's mintmobile.com hdtgm upfront payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for a 12 month plan. Required $15 a month to equivalent taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only. Over 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. Capable device required. Availability, speed and coverage varies. Additional terms apply. See mintmobile.com a well built wardrobe is about the pieces that work time and time again. That's what Quince does best. Give you premium materials, thoughtful design and everyday staples that feel easy to wear and easy to rely on. Now Quince has the everyday essentials with quality lasts. Organic cotton sweaters, Polos for every occasion, lighter jackets that keep you warm in the changing seasons. The list goes on and on. Now Quint works directly with top factories and cuts out the middlemen. So you're not paying for that brand markup. You're just getting quality clothing now. I love it. You've heard me talk about the sweaters. You've heard me talk about the half zips. You've heard me talk about the jackets. You've heard me talk about the hats. You've even heard me talk about the luggage. But Scott, our producer started wearing some quints. He tells me, paul, tell everybody that I love my new Mongolian cashmere Henley sweater and leather jeans belt. Leather jeans belts. Gotta go check that out. Anyway, refresh your wardrobe with quints. Go to quince.combonkers for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.combonkers free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.combonkers okay, still digging through the calls here. Spencer from Chicago. What do you got?

C (17:07)

Hi Paul, this is Spencer in Chicago. First time caller, but I am the guy who sent you the geostolan water bottle just after Covid. With regard to Return to Oz, I think as a law professor, I think they had to make the movie to look as completely different as possible from the 1939 wizard of Oz, probably because of copyright and trademark law. The 1939 movie musical was produced by MGM Studios, which is now part of Amazon. Disney may have had the rights to use the characters from the later books in the Oz series, but they never had the rights to use the way MGM depicted those characters in the earlier musical with Judy Garland. So Disney in the 80s probably had to decide to avoid copyright and trademark issues by dressing Dorothy completely differently, different kinds of winged monkeys, and presenting a whole different kind of tone and style and visuals as much as possible to avoid either having to pay MGM or get into some kind of beef and litigation over the intellectual property. So that's my best guess. I hope that helps. Thanks so much.

A (18:10)

Yes, I alluded to this earlier that they could not actually use the images from the MGM film. So this is actually really an interesting point of view. Danny. The Wall on Discord actually added that the wizard of Oz copyright lawyers were infamously litigious, and their likenesses of Dorothy, the blue gingham dress, and the more familiar scarecrow would be too close for comfort. In fact, the original book never had ruby slippers. They were silver instead. The copyright over the ruby slippers was guarded so tightly that Disney had to pay a large fee to MGM in order to use them, which could have been up to a million dollars back then. A lot of money for them. Damn slippers. You didn't even need them. Honestly didn't add that much. All right, let's hear from my two favorite people in Seattle, Erin and Zoe.

C (18:56)

Hey, Paul and Jason, if you're here, this is Erin, my daughter Zoe, 13 years old, and I watched Return to Oz. It was quite disturbing. And I do feel we would be remiss on how did this get made family if we didn't mention that this truly could be a Jacob's Ladder scenario. She either got the electroshock and died, or she died in that river looking for a child who wasn't there. Jason, I know this is gonna just really hit you in the wrong spot, but I think you've got to acknowledge it now. Zoe has some thoughts too here. I believe whoever wrote this movie went through electroshock therapy, and I think the moose did not want to be there in the first place. He did not want to be alive. And they did him dirty. They did him dirty. That's from a 13 year old. Thank you so much for everything you do. We love the podcast. Have a great day.

A (19:55)

Aaron, I am going to do you a favor and not tell Jason about this. Not because I don't want to embarrass you, but because we already recorded that section of the show and I didn't know about this. And I would tell you that if I did tell Jason, he'd go eat a dick. But, Zoe, I agree with you. This movie did the moose dirty. Amen. That's the shirt. Dana, what do you got? Wow, still more calls.

C (20:21)

Hi, this is Dana. I did want to address the animals talking in Oz. So in the book series, Dorothy visits Oz more than once. And along her journey, she brings Toto, of course, the chicken Bellina, and a kitten named Eureka. The kitten and the chicken Both talk when they're in Oz and Toto doesn't. But eventually in the books, you find out that Toto can talk in Oz, but he just chooses not to. All right, thanks for the pod. Oh, and remind June anybody that likes Return to Oz may not be a red flag. She likes Greece too. Give it a chance. Bye.

A (20:54)

Whoa. What a hilarious. Like, it's almost like Dungeon Crawler Carl, but reversed. I love that Toto's like, yeah, yeah, I'm not talking. I can, I can, but I won't. Now that's an attitude. Mav on Discord adds that Toto was conning everyone. Seriously, he could talk all along and chooses not to so that everyone takes better care of him. It's a huge grift. And Darthy doesn't figure it out until book eight. Whoa. I love that she figures it out. What a funny, weird, like, thing to make your dog a dick. Back to the Discord. Johnny Unusual writes, princess Osma is more interesting in the books. She's a lead character and raised as a boy named Tip with no knowledge of her lineage. At the end of the book, she discovers that she was always a female. She may be the first example of a trans character in American children's literature. Wow. And Johnny Unusual continues by saying, I'm curious if there's any evidence to the contrary. Now, Mav again. Again, Pops in Mav has been our real winner here. I am an English lit professor who mostly deals with popular culture, and Asma is often pointed to as a pioneering trans character in children's lit. It's hard to say if she's the first, but Osma is definitely seen as very important in queer studies. Wow. Now that is now. Now I'm interested. Now I'm getting some information beyond this shit show of a movie. I love this. Okay. And lastly, we have an email from Joe Walker, who writes, I really enjoyed your Return to Oz episode, but the film actually wasn't very faithful to the books. Okay, we got that. Paul and Jason, as comic book fans, I think you'd both appreciate the much more faithful adaptations of the first six novels that Marvel Comics published in 2009, with artwork by the incredible cartoonist. Oh, Scotty Young. That's awesome. And they may now be out of print, but they're easy to find and well worth tracking down. They rank with Darwin Cook's Parker series as the best prose to comics adaptation ever published. Wow. I didn't even know the Parker series was in that way. I love that. All right, thank you, Joe. So many great corrections and omissions this week. But there can only be one winner. And honestly, the person who killed it this week is Mavis for bringing it all back together. So, Mav, you are our winner. And you know, we have been gifting our winners with songs for a while now, but we thought it was finally time to reward you with something a little bit different. That's right. Your corrections and omissions from now on will be brace yourself, because it's all the way from Kansas. We have Bellina the chicken is here to award you with your prize. That's right, a freshly laid egg. Bellina, the mic is yours.

C (23:39)

Thanks for having me, Paul.

B (23:41)

I'm so cluckin excited to be here. And Mav, congratulations. Time for me to squeeze out your prize.

A (23:48)

Here we go. Oh, I should have eaten more fiber.

B (24:03)

Oh, sweet relief. Mav, enjoy this beauty of an egg.

A (24:07)

Straight from a pooper. And Paul, don't worry.

B (24:10)

I forgive you for saying I was a downgrade from toto. I know you were just yoking. Get it? Yolk.

A (24:19)

Well, back to Kansas for me. Bye.

C (24:21)

Bye.

A (24:21)

Well, thank you, Bellina, for stopping by. And Mav, don't worry. We already have your address. And our producer Scott will mail you that egg overnight before it spoils. All right, remember folks, if you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode and maybe win a real egg of your own, hit us up on the discord or call us at 619-Paul-Ask. All right, coming up after the last break, Jason stops by for a chat and then we will announce our next movie. You know, one in five Americans have learn a new language on their bucket list. If that's you, make 2025 the year you finally check it off with babbel, the language app that makes grammar fun and actually worth your time. I am in day 130 of working on babbel. I love it. Why? Because I can practice real life conversation step by step without the stress. I build confidence to speak when it matters. From ordering a coffee to chatting with new friends abroad, I have found my learning on babbel to be so much fun. You are learning tons of words, but they're coming so naturally. Babbel has been truly a game changer. Something that I've always put off and now I am a firm believer in. Here's a special limited time deal for our listeners right now. Get up to 55% off your Babel subscription at babbel.com forward/bonkers. Get up to 55% off at babbel.com forward/bonkers spelled B A, B, B E L.com bonkers rules and restrictions may apply. Hey, guys. Joe Kim, Booster here with a very exciting announcement that I am the newest host of the podcast Bad Dates. I am so excited to be here and sharing all the wildest, most chaotic and iconic bad date stories with you. I'll be joined by friends like Peppermint, Scott Thompson, Casey Wilson, Ron Funches, and MJ Rodriguez, and we'll hear all about their most notorious bad dates. It'll make you laugh, cry, cringe, and maybe make you feel a little better about your own dating life. You don't want to miss it. Listen to Bad Dates by subscribing to Sirius XM Podcast plus on Apple Podcasts or listening wherever you get your podcasts. Carvana is so easy. Just a click and we've got ourselves a car.

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Delivery fees may apply. How did this get made, everybody? You know, I'm sure you've all noticed that every week we re release old how did skip made episodes back into our feed. These matinee episodes now come out every Tuesday. This week's matinee was the Jean Claude Van Damme classic Hard Target. Next week's will be the Demi Moore and Michael Douglas thriller Disclosure. So keep on checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. And without any further ado, it is time to welcome Jason to Last Looks for just a little chat.

C (27:26)

Just chat, just chat.

A (27:28)

Paul and Jason on the mic and they like to cut the fat. Just chat, just chat. I got beef with John La Joie.

C (27:35)

But that's a different rap.

A (27:36)

Just chat, just chat, Just chat. Thank you, Midwest shakes. Jason, welcome. Obviously, very heated this week on the show. People love Return to Oz.

B (27:55)

Heated. You could say a heated rivalry between us. Between us and the fans, apparently.

A (28:02)

Yes.

B (28:02)

They seem. They seem upset based on what you're telling me.

A (28:06)

You know, I have a feeling that what's happening is this, you know, selective memory that we have as children. Like, we look back and we go, well, but I liked it as a kid. We are watching it, coming in with nothing, no baggage. I find that this happens a lot. Like when I talk about Goonies, I'm like, you gotta watch it to be like, yeah, it Was fine. I'm like, what Fine?

B (28:26)

I feel like people get butt hurt when we do a movie that they decided when they were kids was good.

A (28:33)

Yes.

B (28:34)

And don't have any ability to look at it any differently other than it's a little bit like June and Drop Dead Fred. It's a little bit of like, there are movies that meant something to you at a time when things really were meaningful, you know. And I think for a lot of people of a certain age, this movie, whether it played a lot on TV or was something that was they had on VHS or dvd, I feel like this movie definitely meant something to people in a way that. But it didn't for any of us.

A (29:06)

No. As a matter of fact, our good friend Ed Brubaker, the great comic book writer, television show creator, Criminal, coming out on Amazon prime, cannot wait, but basically wanted to chime in as well. Just talking about how all this crazy stuff at the beginning, not part of adapting the book. You know, he said that all that stuff was just kind of made up for the 80s. And, you know, he said that, you know, basically nothing in, like, it's. It really is like a game of telephone of what the sequels were. So this wasn't a closer reading of the Frank L Bomb books. And we talked about that a little bit already. But I love that Ed was able to jump in there and. And, you know, and just kind of set the record straight. Because I think a few times we're like, well, I assume this is what it was like.

B (29:52)

I assume, you know, and maybe this is how I felt when you guys decided to do Con Air, which I think is a great movie. And it's like. But it's. But I can also look at Con Air and be like, this is crazy. That's crazy.

A (30:05)

This is crazy.

B (30:05)

That's crazy. You know, And I think that because. And again, maybe it's just because of childhood and you don't want to see the thing you loved in childhood poked at or prodded or looked at in a different way by adults. You know what I mean? We're looking at this as an adult viewing. This was. I mean, had you ever seen it? I don't remember.

A (30:27)

No, I don't see any of us.

B (30:29)

Had ever seen it before. So it's interesting.

A (30:32)

Stop being butthurt is what we're saying. You know what? We look at things. Yeah, that's it. Stop your complaining.

B (30:40)

Everybody loves every movie. We do. You know, Like, I feel like, didn't this happen with Space Jam? Weren't there a ton of people who were like, space Jam's incredible. Space Jam's. Why did you do Space Jam?

A (30:52)

Space Jam is number one in Chicago. People were angry about Space Jam because they're like, well, this was my movie. But here's the other thing too. Does Space Jam have cool costumes? Absolutely. And did we all like, you know, Bugs Bunny? Now here, here's the thing I've learned with my kid. They like crappy stuff, and I don't try to sway them out of it. Like, at one point, my son was like, I don't want to watch the old Space Jam. I want to watch the new Space Jam. And I can honestly say both terrible films and, and. But yet he felt. Felt that the sequel was so much better. Is also a child who did say to me, dad, I'm not watching anything earlier than 2000.

B (31:35)

Oh, my God.

A (31:36)

Which, you know, is kind of funny because I think about this. You know, if my parents tried to show me something that was 25 years old, I'd be like, no way am I watching that. It was a black and white. But.

B (31:48)

But I will say one of the things that I think about all the time is I watched older movies all the time because they were all that was on.

A (31:57)

Oh, right. Okay.

B (31:58)

You know, like sometimes. Sometimes you had to watch an old movie because it was pre VCR or pre dvd, it was. And you only had whatever the movie channel was playing, whatever channel 56 or channel 38, whatever was on. I watched it. You know, like, I didn't grow up with My Three Sons as a tv. As a contemporary TV show, but it was on every day and I had to watch it.

A (32:22)

Oh, watching. Watching Happy Days was not a choice. It was just what it was at the five o' clock slot. And I was gonna watch that because Diff'rent Strokes was on after it. And that's the show I really like. And that was it. By the way, you're on Broadway. How's it going?

B (32:39)

Oh, it's so fun. I'm having a blast. I've never done a show like this before. Eight shows a week. Crazy. The band Lawrence, that's part of it, is incredible. Really great.

A (32:51)

I love them.

B (32:52)

Sarah. I'm doing it with Sarah Silverman and Craig Robinson and Heidi Gardner. They're all murderers. Everybody's so funny. It's a blast.

A (33:00)

Let me ask you this question, because I think you and I talk about this a lot, but now you get to see it in a different way, which is audiences are different. And you could be doing the same show or an equal show. And you are doing something that is not improvised. It's Simon Rich, brilliant writer, but are you. Do you feel that energy where sometimes you're like, oh, this crowd is just not into it?

B (33:20)

Sure. Yeah. I wouldn't say they're not into it. I think the difference is some crowds are raucous.

A (33:28)

Okay.

B (33:28)

You know, exclaiming and. Yeah. Shouting and loving punchlines or loving songs or whatever. And some crowds are just polite and are laughing.

A (33:38)

Got it.

B (33:38)

Laughing at the jokes. But are not like going crazy there. So the difference is, like, I don't think there's. There hasn't been one that was like.

A (33:46)

Oh, I don't feel.

B (33:47)

I don't think they liked it.

A (33:48)

Right.

B (33:48)

There's just been either polite crowd that is enjoying it or raucous. Kind of mostly weekend raucous crowds that are fun.

A (33:57)

Is there one day that you would say, like, I don't like the Wednesday afternoon crowd? Like, is like now because you've done it enough. Is there one where you can kind.

B (34:06)

Of say, yeah, well, we don't do the only. The matinees we do are both also the weekends. So, like, on the weekend, I do four shows in 24 hours, which is not nothing.

A (34:17)

It's a lot.

B (34:18)

But those crowds are very ready to rock. Because I think both. Because the show is geared towards, I think people that would be fans of our podcast, people that would be fans of Dinosaur or Comedy Bang Bang. I feel like it's attracting a younger comedy forward group of fans. And a lot of fans of Lawrence the band are there.

A (34:43)

Well, yes, they have a huge following and it's following.

B (34:46)

So it's not a lot of. What I was nervous of going into it was that it would be a lot of, like, Broadway gray hairs. No offense.

A (34:53)

Right. Yes.

B (34:54)

No, that's what Broadway runs from. From one gray hair to a lot of others. But, yeah, predominantly Broadway shows, when I go see them are a lot of older people. And. And while those are certainly. There's certainly that population here, it's a lot of young comedy savvy people. So I think they're having a blast. You know, it seems that after the show, a lot of people have come up to talk to me about Taskmaster or about how did this get made or Comedy Bang Bang. All the stuff that is comedy stuff that we know, you know well.

A (35:25)

And now I will say again, and we can talk about other things as well, but I. I do need to address something that people have brought up, which is you are not in your uniform in this show. Now, this is a show Obviously, there. There are. Well, I mean, you. You are, you know, you're.

B (35:38)

People are concerned.

A (35:39)

Yes. People are concerned that you, you know, obviously, you're. You're playing a character you read. But, like, was that a debate? Did you have to be like, hey, I, I. You know, you look great?

B (35:47)

It's not. It was not a debate at all. You know, like, everybody has a very cohesive look. It is all, like, autumnal colors that match and go with the kind of set that's there. I'm wearing a beautiful Drake's brown corduroy suit. It's gorgeous. It's comfortable as well. I am wearing an oxford shirt, except it's not white. It's blue. Totally. It's a great shirt. No, I love. I love my.

A (36:12)

And a tie. And a tie. Oh, yeah.

B (36:14)

And a. Yes. And a beautiful knit tie.

A (36:17)

Because I am looking over. I'm looking over at Craig Robinson, no tie. And I was like, look, you know, Craig is, you know, just wanted to know how much. Yeah, everybody got to choose.

B (36:27)

Like, I had options of stuff.

A (36:28)

Got it.

B (36:29)

But it was all inside of, I would say, these kind of corduroy, tweeds, wool, like, a lot of, like, wintry autumnal colors and textures, because you're not.

A (36:40)

Going to change up. You're like, that's. That's the fear that many people are worried. Are they missing out? Oh, that's, you know, that you're going to be changing your nerds.

B (36:48)

It took them so long to figure out that I wore the same thing every day, and now they're upset when I. When I don't continue it.

A (36:53)

No, you must be under duress. People assume. But is he okay? I knew you were okay because I got to see some clips of you at the Taskmaster Live show in New York where you come in and just took over that stage, and it was such a joy for me to be watching it on Instagram. You just kind of bounding out there, middle fingers blazing.

B (37:15)

I did my show, and then my show ended up and they were doing Taskmaster Live three blocks away. So I quick changed, ran over there and then ran out onto their stage to be the special guest for they. Because they were doing live tasks. You know, that was the setup. And so I was the special guest for the last task of the show, and it was a blast. It was so fun, so funny. So great to see those guys. Great to, like, mix it up.

A (37:47)

We did good because Lisa Gilroy was competing in one. I saw that.

B (37:50)

She's so funny.

A (37:51)

Yeah, it looked like a great crew. I Mean, those shows looked so fun.

B (37:56)

She brought the funniest thing. So for their prize task, they each had to bring the worst article of clothing.

A (38:03)

Okay.

B (38:03)

And she brought a pair of hot pants that on the butt said Greg's little sludge.

A (38:11)

Love this.

B (38:12)

From some, like, from, like, from like an Atlantic City boardwalk type of store. I don't know where. I don't know, maybe. I'm sure she got it in LA somewhere. But yeah, it felt like the kind of thing you would get in a, in a T shirt shop that the cast of Jersey Shore works at.

A (38:27)

Oh, I love it. Yes.

B (38:28)

And it was so funny. And then Alex put them on and paraded around in them. It was hilarious. Lisa Gilroy crushed that show.

A (38:37)

I love it. I love it. Well, this is, I hope they come out west and I'm glad this tour was a success.

B (38:43)

So I think they are heartened by how well this did. So, yeah, I think they will do more of this.

A (38:48)

There's a little rumbling online that, you know, what they're trying to do and I think this is a smart move is to, if they are ever to launch another American version of it, that people can be familiar enough with them that they could then both be, they could just basically do it here. And maybe it's a six episode. You know, I don't know how any episode run is.

B (39:08)

I, I think in all likelihood that I, you know, I think they've said they would like to do it again here and I think they would like to be the hosts. I think that's the, that's their intent, that's their hope.

A (39:18)

It be the only thing to do. You know, it'd be so fun.

B (39:22)

I mean, the only other version of it would be to let me be the host.

A (39:24)

But, you know, I mean, look, I like, and I told you, I, if, if that happens, I will jump in and I will be your Alex if you need it. I mean, you know, I don't, you know, but I, I, as the host.

B (39:34)

Is, I would love it.

A (39:35)

I mean, I've also seen that on Reddit as well. People are like, Jason is going to be the American host. There. There's a lot of, there's a lot of conversation. I didn't want to bring that up.

B (39:42)

Unless, you know, I hope that, I hope that happens.

A (39:45)

But, but people were nervous when you switched the outfits that that might not happen anymore. They were nervous that, you know, oh man, how funny. So much has happened. And I gotta say, because this episode is airing relatively close to when it came out, I want to recommend to everyone right now, go see Sam Raimi's. Send help. It is phenomenal. It is great.

B (40:09)

I haven't seen it.

A (40:10)

Rachel McAdams, I won't say a goddamn thing about it. But if you like Sam Raimi, if you like Evil Dead, it is Sam Raimi doing comedy, horror, thriller. And Dylan o' Brien is fucking great. The whole movie is great. It just, like, I sat in that theater going, and I don't want to build it up too much. I won't say anything about it, but in the sense of, I sat in that theater going, I don't know what's going to happen next. And I. You know, you and I both have. We watch a shitload of movies. We've written things, we've done these things. You kind of know, like, okay, I know where it's going. I had no idea.

B (40:44)

That's awesome. The idea that you can still. That we can still be surprised is what is such a joy, you know, in the movies. So that's great.

A (40:53)

It was really fun. So if you. This is the second weekend it's out, so go check this thing out. It is fun. And. And I saw it with June, and, you know, June is a scary. A scaredy cat, and absolutely loved, loved it. So if you're not, you know, if you're a scared cat, don't feel like, oh, I can't handle it. You can handle it.

B (41:11)

Yeah. It's not like a straight horror movie. It's like, no, I mean, even the.

A (41:15)

Sam Raimi is dead. Yeah. It's a Sam Raimi. It's like, it's fun. It's silly. It's. It's. And she is. Yeah, she's awesome. Obviously, we have a lot to break down, a lot to get to, but because I wanted to catch up with you just because you've been in New York. Maybe just one thing that you like, and then next week we'll do a full catch up of what we've been up to.

B (41:33)

I'm trying to think, you know, like, I'm doing the show. Every night I come home, I'm wiped out. And so my appetite for things. Now we're talking Post Landman Season 2, which was the priority of my 2026, which was absolutely incredible.

A (41:51)

I am. And people don't get this. This is not only a show that Jason and I like, it is a show that. That America loves. It is the number one streaming show. I believe that it was number one. Stranger Things came out, was number one for a week. And then Lambman, boom, right back on top.

B (42:07)

That's awesome.

A (42:08)

Incredible. Landman is. And look, have I met many people who've watched it? No. So that's even more interesting to me.

B (42:14)

And I've met a lot of people who are like, why? Why would I watch Landman? And I'm like, because it's the greatest show on television, by the way.

A (42:22)

And. And I. I don't like Yellowstone.

B (42:25)

Sure.

A (42:25)

I don't dislike it.

B (42:27)

I just.

A (42:27)

It's not my. It's not my fully. My cup of tea. Landman is 100% my cup of tea. And I think, if you like the sensibility of our show, there is things that. I mean, look, I will say the one thing that got a lot of attention, and it's not a spoiler in any way. There is an episode where Billy Bob Thornton's erect penis does make an appearance in the cold open of an episode because he's taken too much Cialis the night before. Now, here's my question, and I'll say it without too much more context than this.

C (42:54)

This.

A (42:54)

Do you think he fucked the omelet or was that just a metaphor? Because I think he actually did fuck the omelet. Not so mad.

B (42:59)

I think he did. I think he did. And that's why she's so mad.

A (43:02)

Yeah. I mean, at least put his dick in the omelet. Okay, so if that doesn't make you want.

B (43:11)

Holy cow. Genuinely get involved with Landman.

A (43:14)

A.

B (43:15)

A true psychotic. Like, maga. Fever dream, tone poem of nonsense. Like, incredible stuff.

A (43:23)

Also having fun. And, like, I feel like what I love about this show is everyone is bringing a little bit of themselves to it and really enjoying it. Andy Garcia. It's like everyone's like, here's what we're doing. And then there's like, that freedom of, like, well, maybe my character would do it like this. And you're like, yeah, yes, absolutely.

B (43:41)

Has as a component of it something that is, I would say, part of some of our favorite things in the movies we do, which is everybody's chewing the scenery in every scene. Like, Billy Bob is at, like, Nicolas Cage level, just going for it. Everybody's monologuing all the time in a way that feels like they would be at home in Face off or in any of the movies that we love that have that kind of scenery chewing vibe.

A (44:11)

I love it.

B (44:11)

So.

A (44:12)

I love.

B (44:12)

It's so good. I'll shout out a couple of other.

A (44:14)

Things if you want to.

B (44:16)

So, like I said, like, I come home and I am wiped out. So all I'm doing is watching Anime like I have now become fully anime pilled my absolute number. I can already tell you my favorite show of the year is going to be free RIN Season 2.

A (44:31)

Okay.

B (44:31)

Wow.

A (44:32)

Which is just. I don't know what any of this stuff means.

B (44:33)

Yeah, Freer in season one I've talked about before on the podcast was my favorite show that came out last year.

A (44:38)

Okay, got it.

B (44:39)

Absolutely one of the most incredible TV shows full stop of anything thing I've ever seen. And it is a beautiful story. It's based on a manga that frankly I haven't read. But the series is unreal. Season two has just started airing. There's only been three episodes so far. And it's absolutely fantastic. I cried so hard at the episode about the hero of the South. Absolutely fantastic. And when I was talking about how much I loved Frieren to host of Song Exploder, Hriikesh Hirway recommended the Apothecary Diaries which is another two season anime that is also fantastic. I just have finished watching both seasons of that and that is unbelievable. Apothecary Diaries, just a beautiful story about feudal China and a girl gets kidnapped and is forced to work inside of the palace. But she's an apothecary. She can make medicines. And it basically the way that Rishi sold it to me was he's is like. It's basically what if House, the Dr. House. It's like a case of the week medical mystery in like feudal China with a teenage girl as House. And that's.

A (46:00)

Oh wow.

B (46:01)

It's like a procedural that way. So she's. She's a detective. She's always trying to figure out who's trying to poison who because there's. So it's all palace intrigue.

A (46:09)

I love this.

B (46:10)

People are trying to kill this person because they're pregnant. They're trying to kill that baby so that the order of succession will be changed so that the next emperor will be this kid instead of that kid. And she's always on the case and it's awesome.

A (46:24)

Okay, well I gotta get. I gotta get into anime. That's a very big.

B (46:27)

Those two shows I would say are unreal level anime, you know, and that. And that's also based on like. I looked up lists. Okay. Genuinely, I'm not any kind of expert. Just I looked up lists and they were like the best anime are these.

A (46:43)

Yeah, No, I love.

B (46:44)

These two are always on there.

A (46:46)

That's good to know. I love this anime recommendations. We will be talking again very soon to go through a bigger list. All right, Jason's gone and it's almost into the show, which means it is finally time to announce our next movie. Next week we'll be going on a date that's over two years in the making. That's right. This Valentine's Day, you can snuggle up with your boo to watch the 1987 Rom com fantasy Date with an angel, starring Michael Knight, Emmanuel Bert, and Drop Dead Fred's Phoebe Cates. We actually recorded this episode in Minneapolis over two years ago, but after that show, Date With an angel was removed from every single streaming service and VOD platform. Until now. Yes, Date With an angel is finally available to watch again exclusively on Tubi. So thank God for To Be Here is a breakdown of the plot. An aspiring composer discovers a broken winged beautiful angel in a swimming pool. When everyone finds out, he must deal with his jealous fiance, his future father in law, and his friends who have a business plan. Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 13% score on the tomatometer. And Roger Ebert wrote in this review, this movie ought to be shot hot. It wastes not only the idea of the angel, but also the human presence of Kate, a bright and quick actress who is required to play a simpering bimbo. Wow, we really use bimbo a lot back in the day. Anyway, let's take a listen to the trailer. Jim's engagement to Patty it is over between us is out the window. His relationship with his boss I'm going.

C (48:13)

To enlighten you, young man, is the.

A (48:15)

Going to the dogs and his best friends are about to uncover his big secret. Just An Angel Date With An Angel Rated PG. Starts Friday, November 20th at theaters everywhere. Now I already told you that Date With an angel is only available to watch on Tubi, but as always, you should check out your digital media services like Hoopla, Canopy and Libby, which are offered free by your local public library. Even though Date with An angel isn't on those services, they are still great resources for movies, TVs, books, audiobooks. Maybe you want to get that Parker series by Darwin Cooke or or perhaps the wizard of Oz series. Whatever you want to do, go check it out for free. That is it. That's the end of the show. Listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Remember that you gotta rate and review us. Rate and review us. Rate and review us. It's easy. Also, make sure you are following us. Yes, keep that follow button pressed and you have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show because it's free. Helps us out a lot. Anyway, visit us on social Media at hdtgm. And a big thank you to our producers Scott Sani and Molly Reynolds, our engineer Casey Holford, our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum. And of course we will forever be thankful to the one and only Avril Halley. And we will see you next week when we finally go on our long awaited date with an Angel. This is Rich Gannon from Sirius XM NFL Radio reminding you that Sirius XM is the place to hear every NFL playoff game from the Wild Card round all the way through the Super Bowl. Plus, you get to decide how you want to listen to the game. We'll have the hometown announcers for each game and the national broadcasters on your radio and on the SiriusXM app. And if it's football talk that you want, just search for NFL Radio on the app or tune to Sirius XM channel 88 in your car.

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