Last Looks: The Forbidden Dance

Summary

How Did This Get Made? – Last Looks: The Forbidden Dance (April 3, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this energetic Last Looks episode, hosts Paul Scheer and Jason Mantzoukas (June Diane Raphael is absent) revisit the gloriously terrible 1990 dance flick The Forbidden Dance. The segment features listener corrections and omissions, dives into wild tangents (including the weirdest PSA ever), movie/music trivia, and winding conversations about Jackass, Nirvana the Band, TV detective shows, and the state of modern comedies. The hosts also reveal the next movie for the podcast: the 2005 thriller Mindhunters. The signature banter, deep-dives into pop culture minutiae, and fan interactivity are front and center, making it a great catch-up for HDTGM regulars or newcomers.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

1. Corrections & Omissions (04:05–18:10)

• Listener Feedback Highlights:

  • Bathroom Barefoot Escape:
    • Discord user John Steele wonders why Jason didn’t remark on Nisa running barefoot through a men’s bathroom. Paul: “Yeah, gross. But also not as gross as those dirty feet in Birdemic. I mean, those live in my mind forever.” (05:07)
  • Richard Lynch Backstory:
    • The panel mistakenly called the actor “Rutger Hauer’s brother”; John Steele clarifies it's Richard Lynch, famed for villain roles after a real-life incident in the 1970s where he set himself on fire on LSD—scarring 70% of his body. Paul: “This guy came back and was a very hardworking, great actor. So there you go. Can’t beat that. And kids, don’t do drugs.” (04:46)
  • Villain’s Evil Nightclub Plan (06:06):
    • Listener Mitch Capa cracks up at the bad guy’s convoluted plan: capture Nisa to…open a nightclub? Paul muses whether the movie actually makes sense given this motivation.
  • Lombada Consistency:
    • Sean McBee notes the dance changes every time—“It appeared to be a completely different dance.” Paul: “I don’t think they knew the dance!” (06:32)

• Phone Calls:

  • Dirty Dancing Crossover:
    • Elle calls to confirm that the actress who played “Switchblade Lady” (McLeaf) in The Forbidden Dance is indeed the older lover from Dirty Dancing. Paul: “I think he should have stayed with her. He would be more happy with her.” (07:23)
  • Spicy PSA Documentary:
    • Anonymous caller shares the story of a wild Spanish PSA where adult film actors had sex on a polluted beach to raise money for ocean cleanup (every Pornhub view led to a donation). Paul: “Whoa, Wait, what? That is the most insane story. I have to go find this.” (09:18) “More spicy PSAs!”
    • Producer Scott points out a NY Post article about the campaign: “Can the Dirtiest Porn Ever Help Clean Up Our Filthy Beaches?” Paul is delighted: “This is genius!” (10:18)

• Fun Movie Facts and Omissions:

  • Taxi Dancing:

    • Discord user “my fake iron lung” explains that what Nisa does in the brothel is called taxi dancing—an early 20th-century tradition. Paul says the movie seems to blend “taxi dancing with more,” raising the stakes but admits the custom was out of time by the movie’s setting. (11:08)

  • Language Mistake:

    • Ginger points out Nisa speaks Spanish to her “tribe,” though in Brazil the language should be Portuguese. Paul confirms the team did discuss it but “it just wasn't one of the more interesting facts.” (12:04)

  • Lombada Song in Pop Culture:

    • “Adjective Animal” shares that the Lombada’s theme was remade as Jennifer Lopez & Pitbull’s On the Floor (2011), leading to the original reentering the Billboard charts 22 years later. Paul is astounded: “Mr. Worldwide should be in a cameo in every movie… if there is dancing, he should be there just to cheer them on.” (12:37)

Notable Running Gags

• Prize for Best Correction:
  • The “winner” is the anonymous caller who shared the spicy PSA story, rewarded with “one week of free bodyguard and healing services” from Nisa’s mystical shaman—only redeemable in Brazil. Paul: “…we’re not paying for your trip to Brazil… but these bodyguard and healing services are top notch.” (14:21)

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2. Paul & Jason Pop Culture Chat (18:12–43:35)

Spring Break, Diaphragm Stories, and Jackass Set Visit (18:34–28:36)

• Paul and Jason catch up on spring break, Florida stories, and deliver a hilarious segment about the confusion around the term ‘diaphragm’ (condom vs. anatomy).
  • Paul: “My dad… ‘Oh, that's how you control your breathing.’ …He goes, ‘Oh, that's another kind of...’” (19:49–19:57)
• Scrooge McDuck Pool Tangent:
  • Jason jokes about wanting to see someone dive into a pool of coins for real—“How has that not been a Mr. Beast thing?” Paul: “...Maybe the problem is getting the monocle on the duck.” (20:37)
• Jackass 5 Set Visit:**
  • Paul describes the surreal experience of seeing stunts filmed in real time, just like they appear in final edit. No reshoots, minimal “pickups.” He’s shocked by the idea of the crew eating lunch then going back to stunts. (21:25–22:52)
  • Poopies’ Shark Attack:
    • Discussion turns to “Poopies,” who loses part of his hand in a Shark Week stunt promoting Jackass 4—graphic, wild, and only compensated with the footage for his YouTube channel. “He didn’t get paid extra for losing his hand because I’m sure he signed everything away… Oh, that’s so upsetting.” (23:07–24:57)

Jackass TV Rights & Music Licensing (25:07–27:19)

• Music Licensing Headaches:
  • Old MTV/Viacom shows like Jackass used unlicensed hit songs, creating issues for re-releases and streaming. “Back in the day, they would just play the top 40… and then, you can’t release it.” (25:23–26:53)

Comedic Fandoms: Lord of the Rings / Jackass Crossover (27:51–28:26)

Jason (as LOTR superfan): “Johnny is my Frodo, and Steve-O is my Pip, and Pontius is my Merry… Please, somebody draw that.” (28:06)

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3. TV/Movie Recommendations & Comedy Discussion (30:59–43:35)

Nirvana the Band, the Show, the Movie (30:59–34:45)

• Paul is “obsessed”:
  • He watched the new movie, then devoured the original web series and is working through the TV run.
  • The show’s (and movie’s) genius: “The premise is divinely simple: two guys want to play at this club, that’s it… It’s like Roadrunner and Coyote.”
  • Their legal and creative workaround: They present all footage as a “documentary,” allowing wild music, video, and stunt licensing under fair use. Paul: “It’s ingenious.” (33:31)

Detective Series Corner: Young Sherlock, Sherlock & Daughter (35:36–38:56)

• Jason raves about two recent shows for detective junkies:
  • Guy Ritchie’s Young Sherlock: “Basically college-age Sherlock… kinetic Guy Ritchie style, best friends with Moriarty.” (35:57)
  • Sherlock & Daughter: “David Thewlis plays Sherlock… kind of YA; his main partner is a Sherlockian daughter, with grown-up Moriarty. A blast, very light.” (38:08)

Comedy Shows: The Fall and Rise of Reggie Dinkins (39:04–41:20)

• Both hosts fawn over the new Tracy Morgan Peacock sitcom:

  • Paul: “Exponentially gets funnier… It's almost like a super powered 30 Rock.” (39:11)
  • Jason: “We just don’t have many joke machine shows anymore… This scratches that itch and then some.” (39:30)
  • Discussion touches on show accessibility—great comedies often get lost on non-mainstream streaming services versus Netflix/higher exposure. (40:45)

• Paul on streaming frustration:

  • Many great comedies (Black Monday, etc.) are inaccessible: “We can’t get Black Monday to stream anywhere… Just put it on a streamer, let people watch these things!” (42:03)

The Value of Comedy for Comedy’s Sake (43:09)

• Paul: “We don’t have to live, learn, love and grow, we could just make people laugh…”
• Jason: “We can just do bits and enjoy them.”

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4. Next Week’s Movie Reveal: Mindhunters (43:35–44:29)

• Movie: Mindhunters (2005, dir. Renny Harlin), starring LL Cool J, Val Kilmer, Christian Slater.
  • Premise: FBI profiler trainees are hunted by a serial killer during a training exercise gone wrong.
  • Paul shares Richard Roeper’s negative review: “They should have kept pushing [the release date].” (44:13)
  • Available on Starz, Philo, and for rent at most outlets.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Paul (on Richard Lynch): “This guy came back and was a very hardworking, great actor. So there you go. Can’t beat that. And kids, don’t do drugs.” (04:46)
• Paul (on spicy PSAs): "This is a genius thing. All right, back to the discord..." (10:18)
• Jason (on Scrooge McDuck diving): “Metal is solid. It doesn’t move like liquid. And if you tried to dive into a pool full of metal coins, you would die.” (20:42)
• Paul (about Jackass stunts): “They are shooting them at the pace in which you watch them!” (21:25)
• Paul (on streaming comedies): “Just get it on… it’s a free show… why is it trapped?” (42:03)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Corrections & Omissions Kickoff: 04:05
• Dirty Dancing Crossover Call: 06:33
• Spicy PSA Call & Discussion: 07:57–10:18
• Taxi Dancing Explanation: 11:08
• Lombada Song/Pop Music Trivia: 12:37
• Best Correction Prize: 14:21
• Paul & Jason Chat Begins: 18:34
• Diaphragm Pool Story: 19:49
• Scrooge McDuck Tangent: 20:37
• Jackass Set Visit & Poopies Story: 21:25–24:57
• Jackass TV/Music Licensing: 25:07
• Lord of the Rings/Jackass Crossover: 27:51
• Nirvana the Band, the Movie: 30:59
• Detective TV Shows Discussion: 35:36
• Reggie Dinkins/Modern Comedy Critique: 39:04–41:20
• Streaming Frustrations/Comedy Access: 42:03
• Next Movie Reveal: Mindhunters: 43:35–44:29

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Summary & Final Thoughts

This “Last Looks” is a fast-paced, laugh-heavy romp that feels like a digital after-party for fans who love to nitpick movies, geek out on pop culture, and listen to pros riff with effortless chemistry. The Forbidden Dance inspires a rabbit-hole of corrections, music trivia, and truly bizarre PSA anecdotes (seriously, look up the ocean-cleanup porn video).

Paul and Jason’s subsequent conversation takes familiar HDTGM detours into Jackass lore, TV rights mishaps, contemporary comedy’s decline, and the joy of “bits for bits’ sake.” If you missed the episode, this summary gives you all the juicy details, running gags, and context for next week’s Mindhunters episode (get ready for LL Cool J!).

For listeners:

• To contribute your own corrections or theme songs, head to their Discord or website.
• Get ready for some profiler-on-the-island mayhem next week!

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HDTGM "Last Looks" stays true to its mission: celebrating the weird, the overlooked, and the just plain bonkers.

Transcript

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[Jason Anton Wellen]

Corrected. Corrected.

[Paul Scheer]

Touch the rhythm, feel the bass Right

[Jason Anton Wellen]

your wrongs Save some face Give to me Give to them your correct.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you, Brian B. Love that song. All right, first one up from the discord is John Steele. Hey, Paul. Two things. Hey, John. Number one, I was surprised not to hear Jason's take on NISA running through a men's bathroom barefoot while they made their escape from the villain. You know what? Honestly, John, I think that there's just too much in this movie to discuss that that was kind of left on the, on the, on the wayside. You know, here's what I'm going to say. Yeah, gross. But also not as gross as those dirty feet in Birdemic. I mean, those live in my mind forever. John Steele also brings up that the actor that we were calling Rucker Hauer's brother is Richard Lynch. John Steele reveals that apparently he set himself on fire while on LSD in the 70s. Our producer Scott chimes in and says, yeah, that is true. He became a very popular nemesis in film and TV because of these scars that happened in a 1967 incident in New York City's Central park, where he did light himself on fire. 70% of his body is burned, but wow, way to go. This guy came back and was a very hardworking, great actor. So there you go. Can't beat that. And kids don't do drugs. Mitch Capa writes one very funny thing that wasn't mentioned. Wow. Another thing that we didn't mention is in the episode is how Rucker Hauer's brother eventually reveals his real passion project is to open an evil nightclub. The one dastardly plan that happens to line up perfectly with having captured Nisa. So are you saying that this movie actually makes sense? That his evil plan could only work by capturing an amazing dancer? Well, now this movie works on a whole nother level for me. You may have made the movie make sense. Sean McBee writes, you all talked a lot about how Nisa and Jason never seemed to improve their dancing, but no one mentioned that the dance seemed to never be the same twice. I mean, every single time they danced the Lombada, it appeared to be a completely different dance. You know, Sean, you're right about that. I didn't realize that. In my mind, I was like, oh, they're just doing different parts of the dance. But of course, I don't think that they knew the dance. This is. I love this movie. I really, really do. Let's go to the phones. First up, we have Elle with some very exciting news.

[Elle (Caller)]

Hi, Paul. I am calling with a correction. You all spoke pretty highly about 30 dancing during last week's episode, the Forbidden Dance and the Switchblade Lady. Mickey is her name. McLeaf was actually in Dirty Dancing. I recognized her. She is like the older woman who is married that Patrick Swayze is sleeping with before he meets babies. So I verified this. This is one of the only things that she's been in is these two movies that I've seen. Well, actually, she's been in a few others. Poseidon, Skeleton Key. But yeah. Wanted to provide some more connective history between these two iconic dance movies. Thanks so much. Love the show.

[Paul Scheer]

I love it. Thank you so much. You know what? He should have stayed with her. I think he should have stayed with her. He would be more happy with her. And by he, I mean Patrick Swayze. I don't know if you've seen our shirt for this, but Jason needs a Swayze is a pretty great new design that we have in our tea public store. You can just go and get that by going hdtgm.com and clicking on Merch. I do love that. I'm not using that just to sell a shirt. I don't care if you buy the shirt. I think it's a good shirt, but I just want to kind of keep all the connective tissue together. Next up, a call from someone who's anonymous.

[Anonymous Caller]

Paul, June, Jason, greetings. I just finished the Forbidden Dance. And, Paul, one of your comments reminded me of an ad that I saw back in 2019. Your comment was about why PSAs aren't spicier and hotter these days, and maybe we should bring that back. So back when I worked in marketing, you know, I would keep up with trends and industry news, and I came across this ad produced by a Spanish agency called Officer and Gentleman, and they partnered with adult film creators to have sex on a beach while it was cleaned up by the organization Ocean Polymers. And for every view the video received, they would make a donation to this organization. Well, it received five and a half million views. And Ocean Palmers got a ton of money because of this not so traditional psa. Love the show, love the work that you all are doing. Your content is a bomb in these troubling times. Please keep it up and excited for the next episode. Bye.

[Paul Scheer]

Whoa, Wait, what? That is the most insane story. I have to go find this. Also $1 per view. So we're. I don't understand even how. Okay. Oh, wait, so you. Oh, this is great. I love this idea. More spicy PSAs. You should get this done, caller. And by the way, thank you so much for what you said. We love doing this show, and it means a lot that it's a sav for us, too. I just think, yes, why not do it? As a matter of fact, Scott is chiming in. There's a whole New York Post article about this psa. The title is, can the Dirtiest Porn Ever Help Clean Up Our Filthy Beaches? And, yeah, it's a flick. I guess I didn't understand it when you were describing it, but pornhub, every time you watched it, they would give a donation to Ocean Polymers, a nonprofit organization working on sending a ship to sea to pick up and recycle plastic from the world's waters and spread awareness about this environmental issue. Uh, the. The. While the flicks cites as the dirtiest porn ever because they wanted to kind of appeal to a lot of fetishes. Basically, you never get to see anything in the act that's obscured by garbage until a cleanup crew is there in pornhub Cares logos. So it is. It's a porn that's safe for your own family. And I'm just looking at some stills from it. And you know what? This is genius. This is a genius thing. All right, back to the discord my fake iron lung writes. I am surprised that Jason, June, and John did not mention what NISA was doing at the brothel. It's something called Taxi Dancing. It's basically an old timey thing from the early 20th century where a diamond dance girls would dance with businessmen for companionship. The movie sort of merged that older style with a more modern brothel, which was not necessarily the case with Taxi Dancing. Obviously Switchblade lady and her establishment is supposed to be sleazy and in CD Hollywood. So the conflict would be heightened if it was more akin to. To sex work. Well, I think we did talk about that. She was like a just a dollar a dance girl. I mean, and we understand 10 cents a dance is where it was. I feel like this was like Taxi dancing with. With more. Right. It starts with Taxi dancing and then it heightens and she wouldn't heighten, so she just did the taxi dancing. But anyway, it was weird. And I don't think that this was happening anytime around the time of this film. Like you said, it was from the early 20th century. Ginger writes whenever Nisa spoke to her tribe or the witch doctor, she was spe speaking Spanish. Shouldn't she has been speaking Portuguese as that's Brazil's official language. You know what? We actually did talk about it. It just wasn't one of the most interesting facts. We just kind of cut it from the episode. Adjective Animal rights. I can't believe they didn't cover the song Lombada was remade into the 2011 Jennifer Lopez plus Pitbull hit on the Floor. Every time that song played in the movie, which was many, I kept on expecting to see Mr. Worldwide to chime in. Apparently on the Floor was so popular, Lomba reentered the Billboard charts in 2011 after 22 years hitting number three on the Billboard digital chart. Whoa, I did not know that. And you know what I mean. Mr. Worldwide should be in a cameo in every movie. I mean if there is dancing in the movie, he should be there just to cheer him on. Adjective Animal Love this. I cannot believe that we did not know that Lombada re entered the charts after 22 years of blew me away. Wow, wow, wow. So many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one that is the best. You know, it's going to be hard for me to figure it out, but I think the one that is our winner is our anonymous caller who led us to the best, most spiciest PSA of all time. That's right, Anonymous, you get this week's prize. And you know what, for having the best correction, we have a very special prize for you courtesy of a surprise guest. Nope, that wasn't a lion. That was the roar of NISA's bodyguard and magical shaman. Remember him? That's right. Anonymous Joa has agreed to provide you with one week of free bodyguard and healing services the next time you travel to Brazil. So to claim your prize, just go to Brazil and Joa will find you. However, I do want to clarify the how does Get Made is not paying for your trip to Brazil and if you choose to use Joa's healing services, you must consent to his pet snake biting your wound. Not a big deal. I think it's worth it because these bodyguard and healing services are top notch. So Anonymous, I know we don't have your official name, but I think you should take us up on this. Thank you Joa for supplying such an amazing prize. 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We used to call these matinees, but now we're calling them classics. This week's classic episode is on the erotic thriller Jade. So keep on Checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. And now, without any further ado, it is time to welcome to Last Looks for a little just chat. My friend Jason. Anton Wellen play us in.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Paul and Jason have Things to say. And it's a fact that we can all call in to watching their movies. They're watching tva. They're going to tell.

[Paul Scheer]

Jason. How are you, Paul?

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Boy, oh boy. Thrilled to see you. How you.

[Paul Scheer]

I am thrilled to see you as well. I feel like there's been so much stuff going on. I haven't seen you in a little bit of time.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

It's been too long.

[Paul Scheer]

It's been too long. And we were in the middle of spring break and I know you go hard. You go down to Florida.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

You know, I go down to Florida. I've got, I rent a house with a guitar shaped pool.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

You know, you know, you, you enter the neck and you, you, you come out the fretboard. You know, it's really, it's a cool spot.

[Paul Scheer]

Did I ever tell you this story? I might have, and forgive me if I'm retelling it, but when I was seeing Club paradise for the first time, which is like a, a Robin Williams movie from the 80s, it's like Robin Williams and Peter O'. Toole. And I think the premise of it is that Robin Williams like takes over a Club Med style resort, like full party, adult party thing. And at one point Peter o' Toole's like, you're running this place into the ground. And. And he goes, I am finding diaphragms in the pool. And I didn't know what that was. And, and I was trying to find out from my dad. I was like, dad, what? It's like, what's a diaphragm? He's like, oh, that's how you control your breathing. I'm like, right. So could you lose that in the pool? It was like, oh, what a strange

[Jason Anton Wellen]

thing for your dad to have to put together.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh. And then he was like, oh, no, that's a, that's another kind of. No, that's, that's kind of diaphragm.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

But you have a lot of. I guess what I was saying was you have a lot of diaphragms in your pool.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Well, see, I have one of those, you know, when Scrooge McDuck dives into the swimming pool full of gold coins. Yeah, that's what my pool is like, except it's just diaphragms. I actually have no water in It. It's just diaphragm.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, there is water in it because there's. The diaphragms do absorb something.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Yes, there is a little bit of water, but really it is mostly diaphragm gems.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm surprised that in this year of our Lord 2026, we have not ever seen anyone attempt a Scrooge McDuck dive into a pool full of coins.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

How has that not been a Mr. Beast thing?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Yes, six or whatever thing, you know, how have they not tried? Although, I mean, I think the answer is obvious. Metal is solid. It doesn't move like liquid. And if you tried to dive into a pool full of metal coins, you would die.

[Paul Scheer]

But at the same time, we have to see if that's actually true.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

I agree. Maybe the thing is, maybe it's. A person couldn't do it, but a duck could.

[Paul Scheer]

Ooh, a duck with a monocle. I think maybe the problem has been getting the monocle on the duck and the robe. It's really a. It's really a tailoring issue. I can speak about this without using too many specifics, but I got to swing by the set of Jackass 5.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

So good.

[Paul Scheer]

And wow. Can't wait. Can't wait. And I think the thing that was. That kind of blew my mind about it was when you're there, they are shooting them at the pace in which you watch them. Right. Like, I would say that I watched them do a bit and probably 15, 20 minutes and then it was over and it was like, okay, now we're

[Jason Anton Wellen]

moving to the next thing. They don't do it again. They don't get pick up shots. They don't, you know.

[Paul Scheer]

No, the most that I saw them, like, tweak was just the. We are here doing this. Yeah, yeah, just.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Just intro thing.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, just a succinct setup for it. But yeah. And the thing that blew my mind in visiting that set was I got there at lunch and like, you know, when you're on a. When you're in a film, you know, you break for. Everyone breaks for lunch. And I didn't realize that, like, Jackass breaks for lunch. And then I was like, sure, why would you ever want to eat and then do any of these things? Like, it doesn't feel like it's just

[Jason Anton Wellen]

imagining them lining up at catering to get like a chicken breast and some rice and all the traditional, like on set meals and then going back into having themselves, like, punched repeatedly in the stomach by like a robot.

[Paul Scheer]

That's all I could possibly think about. I Was like, why are Preston Wee Man? Why are you guys eating? Don't eat. Just keep it, like a liquid diet or something.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Because a lot of the guys, the original guys, are older now.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

So is there a younger contingent? Well, yes.

[Paul Scheer]

From Jackass 4. The. The same.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Oh, that's right. There was some people. Yes, that's right. You got poopy.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, Poopies. Who? Now, I. I may have told you, we've been very deep into jackass in my family. I did not realize this, but Poopies got his hand eaten off by a shark during Shark Week. The first ever injury on Shark Week happened promoting Jackass 4. What?

[Jason Anton Wellen]

And his hand was bitten off.

[Paul Scheer]

Are you saying it was severed at three tendons.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

And. And they had to, like, get him out of where they were shooting, get him back to the States. They brought him to a guy who was able to get it reattached. It is reattached. It's gnarly. And he says it's painful, but I. And there's footage of it. You can watch the footage of it. And so poopies, like, his, like, Shark Week for Shark Week. Not even for the movie. Like, they gave him the footage to put on his YouTube. Like, that was the mea culpa. Like, the Shark Week people are like, well, you can actually have the footage. It's brutal. And then Steve O. Talks about it as well, and he was like, we all knew this was not a smart thing. He's like. Because in our time with dealing with sharks and everything like that, he's like, sharks really don't fuck with you. And, you know, but these sharks were so hungry. He's like, I saw a leaf land, like, in the water, and they all went nuts for the leaf. So then you drop poopies in there, doing a literal jump. The shark, like Fonzie from Happy Days moment falls off. And then. And when you watch them race towards him, it is frightening.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Oh, that's awful.

[Paul Scheer]

And there's no God and there's no insurance. I was actually thinking that that's, like, the best. Not the best gig, but, like, for Shark Week, it's like, oh, he didn't get paid. Like, he didn't get paid extra for losing his hand because I'm sure he signed everything away.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Oh, I'm. Oh, for sure. Oh, that's so upsetting.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it's really gnarly. Like, and I just was like, it again, because my kids have gone so deep into it, we've really found pockets that I didn't even know exist.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Have they found or gotten to the all of the TV shows?

[Paul Scheer]

Because that's how I started.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Like, oh, oh, it is okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Because I was like, I knew the movies would be great, but I was like, let's start on the TV show. Because it's harder to go backwards than it really is.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

It's a good ramp up.

[Paul Scheer]

And so, you know, so that was the TV shows, which apparently, according to Jeff Tremaine and Johnny, they are in the middle of redoing because it was an interesting thing. And just as somebody who worked at Viacom, I can identify with this, which is at one point when they were like, oh, yeah, we need you to QC these. You lose the rights to certain music. Now, Human Giant was a show that we knew about digital and dvd. So we really picked our music and hired musicians and we owned a lot of our music. But back in the day, Jackass and Real World, they would just play the top 40. They would play any song they wanted. And then it's like things like the State had that too and you couldn't, you can't release it because you don't have the rights to it.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

But back then by shows like moonlighting or 30 something or my so Called Life spent so long not being able to stream is was because they had huge music rights problems. It's really wild.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. So it's like, like. So I guess what happened was at one point they weren't really qcing it as closely as they should have. So there they have some issues with some of the music choices that are in there. And like, I mean, I will say in watching it didn't really like, you know, but I do think that they're actually very careful and really selective about the music that they pick. So I also feel like it's one of those things. It's like, well, it wasn't picked by us, you know, and it's. It's not going to be as good.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Oh, well, I would. I mean, a box set of all of the Jackass stuff would be so funny. Oh God, that would be an incredible. I would love that. And I also love that they always. One of the things I always appreciated was that they would put out a new movie and then the next year they would put out like 45 minutes worth of like an extended cut of that movie with 45 extra minutes of stuff.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. And it was very rarely, because we've watched all of those, the 2.5s or whatever, you know, it's very rarely the same bits, different openings, fully different bits. Like it's not even extensions. It's it, it really, like I didn't understand that and never really watched this because, like, I already saw it. Like, I guess what I see a couple more ball hits, I was like, oh, no, no, it's a fully different film.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Yeah, it's genuinely stuff that is like, oh, maybe they didn't get enough of this or it's. But it's still very satisfying. Very good.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I really, I really enjoyed it.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

It's like watching the Lord of the Rings extended cuts.

[Paul Scheer]

That's a lot.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

If I was to, if I was to revisit a Jackass movie, like a Lord of the Rings movie, I would only watch the extended cuts.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, you see, that's why you're a purist. I mean, that is the way that they're supposed to be watching.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

You know, Johnny is my Frodo and Stevo is my Pip and Pontius is

[Paul Scheer]

my Mary and oh, please, somebody draw that.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

I would love somebody do all of the. Yes. All of the map. The map. The fellowship onto the Jackass crew.

[Paul Scheer]

And by the way, the island that they're on should definitely look like a dick and balls like an old, like an old map writing. I would love to see that. Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

It's called Middle Girth.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Anton Wellen]

This family's behavior is toxic to me. We all just take turns fighting and creating disasters. That's what families do.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Anton Wellen]

And I've gone back. I did not tell you about it. Okay. I suspect maybe Seth or Owen did because they are heavy into it.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

So I haven't seen it, but I've talked to them about it. Now, are you aware of the fact that it like the trip is based on a TV series based on a

[Paul Scheer]

web series that brought the TV series forward? So I watched it all. So I watched the movie. It was great and I was so blown away by it. Then I went back, found the web series, watched all 10 episodes of that, and now am working my way slowly through the TV series. Just because I'm enjoying it so much, I don't want to wreck it. But by the way, but you don't

[Jason Anton Wellen]

feel like, oh, I wish I'd watched the TV series first or I wish I'd gotten in it, done it in a different order.

[Paul Scheer]

I think it's fulfilling on both ways that you watch it. They do a great job. I mean the premise is divinely simple. It's just like two guys want to play at this club. That's it. And that is from episode one of the web series to the film, the same quest. It is like the Roadrunner and Coyote. It's like Coyote wants to get the Roadrunner and any which way he gets there, it's like, well, we'll start back at, we'll start back at one. Like it just, you know, so that's really what makes the show so fulfilling. And I think that the guys are great and I'm realizing, and this is just, I'm not without any spoilers or anything. Because you shouldn't know anything about the movie. I didn't know a thing about it. Besides, it was very funny. The thing that I realized was, I believe the way they are getting away with stuff, because they're getting away with a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff. It is, to me, on a. It's not a prank film. It has elements of a prank film. But what I think they're doing is they're treating it like a documentary because they both play themselves, and they are both. And I think what they are able to legally say is, yes, this is a documentary about us. We would like to play this place now, whether or not they are. And one of the guys is a musician. So it does check out. Like, it's never out of that. So they can get the rights to things. I mean, I'm talking about, like, music cues, video clips. It all falls in fair usage because it's a doc.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

They're making a documentary. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

And it's ingenious. And once you start to see certain things, it's not a cheat at all, but it's really. You go, oh. Cause they dress the same pretty much all the time, too. Very much like a cartoon. So it's like, oh, they got that. Like, they're mixing and matching, like, to get the storylines all connected. But it feels like it's very run and gun in the sense that there is actually. I can talk about this, but there is a very big story that happened in Canada, and they were across town shooting something else, and they're like, oh, my gosh, why don't we use that as a backdrop for a bigger part of our story? They ran over there, and when you look at the news footage from that day, you can see them in the background doing their thing.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Awesome. Like, oh, I'm excited.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. So it's. It's really, like, from a production standpoint, I literally left the theater going, like, it's the funniest thing. But also, I have more questions than Mission Impossible. Like, how did they.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

How they just. Yeah. Oh. Because it also seems like it would be so simple to understand. Yes, but that is great. That makes me very curious, because you're just like.

[Paul Scheer]

Because you get like, oh, Borat and Bruno, they're like, oh, he's going to a thing. But they're doing stuff that I'm like, what?

[Jason Anton Wellen]

How?

[Paul Scheer]

What? Like. And I read a great interview with them, and they said something really cool, which was when the movie first started, I was looking at the credits and. Cause I like to support everybody in the Arts, you know, not just about the people in front of you.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Sure. The below the line people are very important to you.

[Paul Scheer]

I always say that. Yes. But there is a thing where like the VFX is really high up and I was like, this movie needs vfx. And then I'm like, oh, it does. Wow. And why is it they're like, like RV effects are there to make you like, you don't even know that they're there. And that's part of it too. It's like, it's so. It hides seams and cleans up stuff and you can't like. Yeah. So you don't know what I mean. Yeah, you don't. There's so much stuff that I'm sure that's happening with little tweaks that you can't even tell.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Oh, that's cool.

[Paul Scheer]

I think you'll love it. Yeah, I think you'll will absolutely love it.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

But yeah, I will. I will recommend. I'm, you know, I. I love any and every detective show that is on television, of course. And so there's been two that have been recently on that I've loved. I powered through all of Young Sherlock, which is.

[Paul Scheer]

I've been. It's on my list. Guy Ritchie, right?

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Guy Ritchie's Young Sherlock. It's an absolute blast. It basically is like college age Sherlock and he becomes best friends with Moriarty and it's basically like they're on cases that are, you know, that, that affect them, you know, and it's, it's in Sherlock's whole family is a part of it. It's not Ralph Fiennes. Joseph finds the brother is his father and it's, it's great. And he's a fines the Sherlock. The, the actor who plays Sherlock is a fines as well, but not what a fine. What a fine finds he is anyway. But it's got that, like, kinetic Guy Ritchie style and vibe.

[Paul Scheer]

I love this. I love that. Guy Ritchie's like Second Coming. Is this like kind of cool shows and doing this. Did you. I mean, I was obsessed when I was a kid with Young Sherlock Holmes, the movie.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

I didn't see it.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, okay. When I was a kid, there's a movie called Young Sherlock Holmes and it's like the game is afoot. And that was the big part of it. But it was a college age or, you know, high school age and it was, it was such a fun way to kind of do Sherlock. And it's a way to like, I don't know, it's like you can Also give him. You can beat him down a little bit. Like he doesn't have to be Sherlock at full power.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Well, that's the. Well, that's what's fun about it is you are watching him become that. Learn the lessons of Sherlock Holmes. He doesn't know everything. He's not. So he's kind of like stumbling his way through things, which is very fun. And in many ways Moriarity is more attuned to certain things and is more perceptive or you know, they're. They're having their competition of minds and deductive reasoning and all that kind of stuff. It's great.

[Paul Scheer]

So no Watson?

[Jason Anton Wellen]

No, no Watson.

[Paul Scheer]

That makes sense because Watson's kind of coming in.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

I think Watson's later. But I'm trying to think if there's anybody who's like a Watson standing.

[Paul Scheer]

It seems like Moriarty is. Or, or they are having that relationship or are they?

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Yes, it is more Mario. It is a two hander for him and Moriarty, which is great. I also watched a show called Sherlock and Daughter in which David Thewlis plays Sherlock.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

And this is like almost, I would say a ya Sherlock story because the main character is like his daughter who is, yeah, I'm gonna say 17 or 18 or you know, late teenage years age, daughter who comes from. We think it's his daughter. There's some.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, it's very. Well, I'm looking at it right now.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Very. Ya.

[Paul Scheer]

It's a CW show or it looks like. Yes.

[Anonymous Caller]

Okay.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Yeah, yeah. And. But also a blast.

[Paul Scheer]

And by the way, great.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

And David Thewlis is unreal in it. Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Do Gray Scott is in this. Yeah. Wow. I love this.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

He plays the grown up Moriarty. It's great. It's a. And that was also very satisfying and very fun but a very light. Both of them are very kind of like light Sherlocks, you know, which I enjoy.

[Paul Scheer]

I love that. Oh, you know what has been killing me? I've been laughing so hard. The Fall and Rise of Reggie Dinkins.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

We talked about it before when it was just the pilot, but absolutely, let's talk about it now because more episodes are finally available.

[Paul Scheer]

And I, I like the pilot. I thought the pilot was very funny, but man oh man, it exponentially gets funnier and funnier and funnier. It's like. It's almost like a super powered 30 rock in the sense that it's okay. That's our premise. And boom and boom and boom. And it's like. And they're just. They are firing by episode four. You're like, this is just wall to wall.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

We just don't have many joke machine shows anymore. Like our, our comedies are feeling a little soft and a little sweet and or just a little not funny lately. And so this show like that kind of Robert Carlock, Tina Fey, shark joke dense shows I'm missing, you know, like the girls, five EVAs and the 30 rocks. And this is scratching that itch and then some.

[Paul Scheer]

And it's really what I love too is like they. I also feel like, and I say this with the most love, Tracy's getting the rust off very quickly. Like in the beginning I was like, oh, I don't know if this is like I wanted to be kind of. And now I'm like, oh, he is in the pocket firing on all cylinders. And I'm like, oh, this is really, really well done. And the cast just pops and great people popping up. Corbin Bernson in an episode, Craig Robinson

[Jason Anton Wellen]

and Heidi Gardner in there. It's got. It is. I think that show is dynamite. And it my only like feeling is like a lot of these shows that I think are so great. I just wish it was on NBC.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that's the thing.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

It's like, I don't know that people are in the habit of going to Peacock to find a show.

[Paul Scheer]

I think it was, I think what they did was they did play it on NBC after the Super Bowl.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

And then they played it again and it had like this crazy rating. It was almost like it was like over because our buddy Phil Jackson, who we do dinosaur with, he is one of the writers on it. I'm going to look at the thing because it's a crazy stat because I think what we're talking about is like, why don't they make these things? Do people not want these things? And the answer is they love these things.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

They just don't know how to find them.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. And it's like you have to get it on every possible thing. You just don't know because people want to watch it and just see the status.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

It's so hard because so many people watch things passively. And you know, when you are having, you know, like when your show's on Netflix or someplace that some service or something that everybody for the most part has. Yeah, it gets those eyeballs. You know, it's like I was talking to Sam Richardson who was saying that Detroiters has just been put on Netflix and it's finding a whole new audience and people are acting like, oh, I saw your new show. Well, this is, you know, and he's like, oh, no, that's a very old show. But. But thank you. And that's. And it's such a good thing. But something on Peacock. So few people have it and so few people know to go there to find the new Tracy Morgan show.

[Paul Scheer]

I totally agree. I mean, we've been fighting this fight and I'll say it out loud here, because if anyone works at Sony or Netflix, we can't get Black Monday to stream anywhere. And that's Don Cheadle, Regina Hall.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Andrew, Animals Me, Casey Wilson. It's like, there's so many funny people and it's like, just get it on. Like, why is it, like, trapped? It's not. It's not. It's just like, you can buy it, but, like, put it on streamer. Let people watch these things. Like, it's just free. It's a free show. Like, what are you going to pay to license? It's not going to be expensive. Here it is. This is the stat the Fall and rise of Reggie Dinkins. The pilot ratings jumped more than 100%, reaching 13 million viewers since the premiere. And that was like over a month ago. But that's. 13 million is huge giant for comedy.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Great. I love that.

[Paul Scheer]

And that's.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

I love that. And I hope it continues to thrive and create an appetite for more shows like this that are funny.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

You know, not. That are not, you know, and I love all the. All the shows that. All the comedies that are sweet and dramedies and the shows that are not funny, like the Bear, but are nonetheless considered comedies. It's a great show, but you just

[Paul Scheer]

don't need to have. Have. We don't have to live, learn, love and grow. We could just make people laugh and it's.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

We can just do bits and enjoy them.

[Paul Scheer]

Absolutely. I mean, and that's Nirvana, the band, the show, you know, or the movie. Yeah, it's like.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

Or Jackass. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, Jackass is a show that I feel like, boy, is that such a funny show.

[Paul Scheer]

So, so good. Well, Jason, let's get to work. We'll fix that. And by the next episode, we should be on track. I feel like we'll get a bunch more copy.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

I think we'll have figured out everything.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, talk to you soon. All right. Thank you, Jason, for just chatting with me. But now it is finally time to announce our movie. Next week, we will be going from Nisa loves Cool Jason to Ladies Love Cool James. That's right. We are watching 2005's Mindhunter starring Val Kilmer, Christian Slater, and of course, LL Cool J. Oh, boy, I love this movie. IMDb describes it as this. A group of FBI trainees are taken to a remote island for a simulation. But once they are there, they realize that they are being hunted by a serial killer. Ooh, Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 25 score on the tomato meter. And Richard Roper from Ebert and Roper says Mindhunters is supposed to open in the spring of 2003, but they kept on pushing back the release date. They should have kept pushing. Ooh, Richard Roper with a slam. I like Richard. Let's take a listen to the trailer. They are the FBI's newest profilers.

[Jason Anton Wellen]

You're all smarter. You wouldn't be here. I just want you to be smarter.

[Paul Scheer]

Trimmed to get into the minds of the most elusive serial killers. Now, someone trained to think like a killer. There's just one problem is about to become one. There's no one here but us. You can stream Mindhunters on Stars and Philo, and you can rent it at all the usual places that you rent movies. Okay, so that is it for last looks. If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. Please also make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. Have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show and we appreciate it. Visit us on social media hdtgm. And a big thank you to our producers, Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Casey Holford, our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum, our intern, Quinn Jennings. And of course, we will forever be thankful to the one and only Avril Halle. We will see you next week. For Mindhunters,

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[Paul Scheer]

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