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How Did This Get Made?
Last Looks: The Manitou w/ Ashley Ray
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Jason chats with comedian and TV critic Ashley Ray about the shows they're currently loving—from a slate of Apple TV hits to obscure reality shows and a whole lot more. But first, Paul responds to all your corrections & omissions on last week's episode on The Manitou, including a disgusting revelation about hospital carpeting and a history lesson on psychics dipping their butts in hot wax. And as always, at the end of the episode Paul announces next week's new movie! Subscribe to Ashley's Substack Deep Trouble at: www.deeptrouble.net ASHLEY & JASON'S TV RECS: Widow's Bay Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed Margo's Got Money Troubles Rooster The Fall & Rise of Reggie Dinkins Love After Lockup This Is Poly The Other Bennet Sister Outrageous Ludwig Half Man Dark Winds SAS Rogue Heroes Kevin The Amazing Digital Circus Slip Love Island Summer House The Real Housewives of Rhode Island Taskmaster (Season 21) Deli Boys
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Paul Scheer
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Ashley Rae
Corrections and divisions from how did this get made? Jason Palm Jew will come about you. These last looks, these last looks.
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Paul Scheer
Last hooks. Last looks, Last hooks. Thank you, Yaquez. Am I pronouncing that right? That was a great theme song. Let's start with some phone calls. By the way, if you are calling us now, it's so much easier because now we're using speakpipe. That's right, speakpipe.com HDTGM I believe that that's right, Scott. Tell me if I'm wrong, but it's so much easier. You could just call us whenever you want. There's no fees, there's no phone calls. We're trying to keep up with the times. Anyway, let's start with Lynelle from Denver.
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Lynell (Caller)
Hey, gang, this is Lynell. I was calling because I was listening to your most recent episode, the Manitou, and you guys were talking about this supposed real case of somebody in Tokyo growing a baby in their chest. And I'm a pathologist, and so I thought I had some relevant knowledge to help clarify the situation. So what I bet this case actually was was a teratoma. Teratomas are most often associated with the ovaries or the testes. These are tumors that will grow body parts. These are the freaky tumors that you hear about with teeth and hair and all that kinds of stuff. But another place that teratomas can happen is in the mediastinum or the middle part of chest. So you can get mediastinal teratomas. So if I had to guess, I would guess that this supposed real case in Tokyo was the case of a mediastinal teratoma and not some sort of real baby being grown in the middle of a kid's chest. Hopefully that helps clarify the situation. I love your podcast. I've been listening for years. I've seen you guys in real life a couple of times and it's always a good time.
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Paul Scheer
Okay. Linnell, you said a lot of words there that I heard and I am trying to understand. And I know that you are right. I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. But here's what I'm going to say to you. While you are 100% correct, I'm going to say that this production did no research on that actually happening at all. I think that was something that was tacked on at the end. And when they said Japan, it felt so far away that no one would fact check them because there was no Internet. But I do appreciate knowing and how this all works, and thank you for making us a little bit smarter. Now let's go to Diane.
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Diane (Caller)
Hey there, My name is Diane. I love you guys, love your show, but I just finished listening to Manitou and I had to call my mom because she was a nurse in the 70s. And about the hospital. Absolutely 100%. There were carpets all throughout hospitals in the early 70s. Maybe not shag, but like that indoor, outdoor. And she said that in the patient rooms, hallways, everywhere, it was all carpeted. And when they cleaned them, it would smell horrendous. Like she could not. You couldn't. You couldn't be around it when they were cleaning them, which is pretty nasty. And also another gross thing was the fact that in isolation rooms and stuff, so they didn't wear gloves, but there was an open pan with cleaner that you would just dip your hands in and everyone used, which seems, I don't know, gross. So, yeah, you were right. Hospitals were horrendous in the 70s. Okay, bye.
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Jason Mantzoukas
What?
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Paul Scheer
This is absolutely bonkers. And you know what, Diane? You aren't the only one who verified the carpets in hospitals. That sounds so absolutely disgusting. Who. Who came up with that idea? Who sold the wall to wall carpeting in hospitals? Oh, my God. We got a lot of calls confirming this. So gross. Gross. And you know, my mom worked in an er and I did know about that. Like hand dip. We were so gross. I mean, and that was so cl. Like when you look at like the timeline of like when that actually happened and where we are now, it's not that far away. Let me tell you people, we might be going back. Let's talk to Zach from Michigan.
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Zach (Caller)
Hey, Paul and everybody, I just got done listening to the Manitou. This is Zach. And I wanted to point out something that you guys also pointed out, but I'd hoped you would talk about was the fact that everything took so long in the movie. The thing that took the longest was the scene where Tony Curtis comes out in the hospital, and he's having a bad day, and he needs an aspirin or something. And so the nurse says, well, here, take one of these. And then she gets him a water. And then he says, can I have another water? I always need two waters with these. And then he gets it, and he opens up the packet and puts it in. In the glass, but nothing happens. It doesn't fizz. It doesn't do whatever. And then he says, oh, I wish there were instructions on these. And he kind of pours the water back and forth, and nothing happens. And he eventually says, oh, I guess this just isn't my day. Like, his girlfriend has a monster crawling out of her back, and this is the worst thing that happens. But the thing that drove me the craziest was they spent seven minutes on this scene, and they never come back to it. I was sure that the monster would be killed by throwing Alka Seltzer at it. Or maybe they would throw one glass of water, but then he needed another glass of water.
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Paul Scheer
I don't know.
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Zach (Caller)
Maybe they would come back, and when the room was frozen, you'd see the two frozen glasses, and then that would tell you that's where you were. Anyway, I had a ton of fun watching the movie. Thanks so much. And I hope this drove you as crazy as it drove me.
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Paul Scheer
Oh, dude. Perfect point. Yes. This movie really is patient. What I'm thinking is they knew they had a great 45 minutes, and they had to figure out how to get that other hour. And I. I feel like the entire movie is just padding that hour to get to that awesome 45, because that third act is truly magical. And I want to see if our friend, you know, the director of Malignant, actually was inspired by the Manitou. I feel like it's impossible not to be. Anyway, thank you, Zach, for that great observation. And maybe Alka Seltzer did a little bit of product placement. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe they were ahead of the branding game way before anybody else. All right, we're going to take a quick break right now. We'll be back with some more corrections and omissions from our Discord. So stick around. Today's podcast is brought to you by our friends over at Squarespace. You know, I love Squarespace, because with Squarespace, everything that you need to succeed online is in one spot. 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You go to the hdtgm.dashery.com you can get all of our how did this get made Shirts. And if you are a little bit even curious, like a little T shirt curious, check out what we've been doing over in the unspooled dashery store. Because I have like a Terry Gilliam shirt there. I have an Odyssey shirt. They're not unspooled shirts. They're just kind of like fun movie shirts. My favorite one. My letterbox top five is better than yours. All right, let's see what our discord has to say about the Manitou. DrGutz1003 writes, I think the fact that Karen and Tony Curtis are wearing robes before sex can be explained by the fact that they had just been outside in the pouring rain in the previous scene. So they probably just changed into something dry. But what I couldn't understand is why is Karen opening a bottle of wine the night before her operation? I mean, the fact that she woke up during the procedure probably has less to do with the Manitou and more because she had too much alcohol in her system for the anesthesia to work. Well, Dr. Guts, you are a doctor, so I'm going to take this as, you know, as science fact. Look, it was the 70s. We're putting our hands in a big jug of water to wash them off. I don't think that anyone was saying don't eat or drink before surgery and even don't go to the bone zone before surgery. I just feel like all, all of these choices were wrong. The Grayest Hound writes. The story that Paul vaguely remembered about a girl with a scarf that kept her head on was called the Green Ribbon. It was in a collection of scary stories for kids called In a Dark, Dark Room by Alvin Schwartz. It was a particular favorite of mine as a kid and I actually have cosplayed as Jenny, the girl with the ribbon. Oh my God, this is so great. Now Scott actually pulled the last page of this short story. It's pretty amazing. She says, Alfred, she said, now I can tell you about the Green Ribbon. Untie it and you will see why I could not tell you before. Slowly and carefully, Alfred untied the ribbon and Jenny's head fell off. Boom. That's how you end a story. I love it. Thank you for bringing that into my life. I will make my kids ready the green ribbon in a dark, dark room. All right. And Android Lauren Hotel writes, Jessica was very close to the mark when she described the head during the seance as looking like it was almost a jello mold. During seances in the height of spiritualism, the matter left behind by spirits was called a mold. They were usually made from paraffin wax or muslin. The head in the film would be something expected by mediums holding a circle. But then they must have freaked out, because it's usually a fake technique to fool people. This is like. So they actually were making molds in seances. This is actually fascinating to me. And Scott chimes in more and says, and actually, in the 1920s, the medium Franek Klusky claimed that spirits would dip their materialized limbs into a bowl of hot paraffin wax, and the resulting wax molds of hands should be treated as scientific proof of the paranormal. However, at one seance, the attendees asked him to produce a face mold instead of the usual hand mold, and the wax mold he produced ended up resembling a human butt more than a face. The seance attendees accused him of using his own butt, and it was later confirmed that Franekht suffered burns on his butt for days afterwards. All right, well, how did he even create this thing that his butt? Because was he doing it before or during? Was it, like, rigged to his butt? Oh, I love it. I love the paranormal, and I love, like, this kind of hoaxerism in it. I love this. I love it. I love it. I didn't even know this could be real. Okay, so Fun Facts 47 writes, if the evil medicine man's primary goal right after birth was to breach the salt circle, trapping him, why didn't he use the orderly's dead body he possessed to simply break the circle for him? Well, Fun facts, then we wouldn't have a third act. Yes.
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Ashley Rae
I don't know.
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Paul Scheer
Well, maybe. Can he possess a body? He could possess a body. Well.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Huh?
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Paul Scheer
Huh? You got a good point. I didn't realize that the salt circle, like, if it just had a little break in it, like a Pac man board, he could get out through it. So you're saying that if they just swept up the salt, he's good to go? Huh. Interesting. Somebody chime in here. Does the salt need to stay on the ground, or is the salt like, kind of like layering it down? Then the salt kind of gets in the ether and then we're like trapped in this other zone. I don't know. And again, you know, I don't think that this movie did that much research. The reason why they had to keep them in that circle was cause they didn't have a bigger budget to have them run around side that hospital. All right, so many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one winner. And you know, Android Lauren Hotel really kind of opened my eyes to something I did not know before. I I'm also still grossed out by Diane's call about the rugs. But I have to say that Android Lauren Hotel really just makes me want to google some more because I want to find out how they did these wax hands and butts. Well, not I think butts was a one time thing, but I love it all. So anyway, you are our winner and for your prize we have assembled the official Manitou new Parent Emergency kit. The kit has everything you'll ever need in case you ever give birth to an ancient demonic entity out of your neck. I'm talking about essential items like maternity eternal deck with fabric bulge in the collar for your growing lump. Bestselling book what to expect when you're expecting a 400-year-old gooey little devilman. A novelty baby onesie with the parody of Straight Outta Compton logo that says straight outta your neck lump. And lastly, a tube of standard new mommy nipple bomb should note is not for breastfeeding damage but for the burns from the lasers that will shoot out of your nipples. And so this is just a great thing to have just in case you have somebody coming out of your neck. So I gotta tell you, Android Lauren Hotel, I hope you enjoy that and you never have to use it. But like Karen in the movie, you never know when you'll be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And to the rest of you listening who didn't win this amazing prize, you can try your luck next episode by submitting your corrections and omissions on our discord or by leaving us a voicemail@speak geekpipe.com HDTGM alright, it is that time of the show when Jason pops in and normally I stay, but today I'm popping out because he is joined by comedian and TV critic Ashley Rae to discuss a ton of their favorite new TV shows. Ashley is a true TV expert. You can watch her right now on Netflix's Funny AF with Kevin Hart and she also has a great substack called Deep Trouble about the trouble with culture and media. Today. I am a Subscriber. I love it. By the way, check me out on substack. I love being on there. I don't charge you. Without further ado, it is now time for Jason and Ashley to take over Seth Chatfield. Play them in.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Is it this it?
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Paul Scheer
Could it be that? A little swing of the cane, a
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Ashley Rae
little tip of the hat.
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Paul Scheer
No, it's Jason and Paul just getting
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Ashley Rae
into it all in a segment that
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Paul Scheer
we call Just check. Yeah.
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Jason Mantzoukas
All right everybody, here we go. It's Jason and Paul wasn't able to be here so I was like, I need somebody to come in and talk to me about the stuff that I'm watching that reminds me of the old TV I say episodes that I used to do with Ashley Rae, comedian, podcaster. So I was like, call her up, get her in here. Ladies and gentlemen, Ashley Ray. Welcome to how did this get married?
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Ashley Rae
Oh, thank you. It is, it's so good to be here. I have needed to talk tv. I need to.
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Jason Mantzoukas
It is crazy. You are, you know, you had this show tv. I say for many years that I was a regular guest on for kind of year end recommendation lists going through the stuff we loved and boy have I missed getting to chat with you since you stopped doing the podcast.
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Ashley Rae
I, we just spent like two hours talking about every single show and it was the best. It was the best. And now like there's a peak TV moment happening right now and I don't have anybody to talk to you about it with. Like I need to talk about.
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Jason Mantzoukas
I'm so glad, I'm so glad that this came up because this is, this has been making me excited all week. I've been making a list. I'm excited to talk to you about the stuff I've been watching. I'm curious if we're watching the same stuff.
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Ashley Rae
Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready.
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Jason Mantzoukas
All right, let's go. What do you got? Let's jump in. You mean the guest is. Please, please.
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Ashley Rae
Yeah, like there's so much we just gotta. I think number one right off the bat, new show of the season that was a season sleeper hit. Widows Bay on tv.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Let's talk about it. It's number one on my list too. And I'm going to say this. I don't, I will say and full disclosure, Katie Dippold, creator of Widows Bay, friend of the show, long term friend of Paul and I from UCB New York. We've known her for 20 plus years.
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Ashley Rae
So funny, worked on Parks and Rec, so the best.
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Jason Mantzoukas
I'm so delighted that I Guess people are figuring out that she's also the person who is responsible for the viral mama Duke Babadook meme. She is the person dressed as the Babadook in costume at a Halloween party that nobody else appears dressed up at.
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Ashley Rae
Yes. Just also very funny. Like Twitter legend and watching people watch Widow's Bay and go, I thought this was gonna be scary, but it's actually so funny. Is anyone else getting a Parks and Rec vibe? And it's like, yes, that's what it is. That's what it is.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Good. It's so good. I really am like, you know, this is the strongest first season of a show I've seen in I don't even know how long. This is not just. Cause you mentioned at the beginning, like, Sleeper's secret show of the year. Like, I would say sleeper show of the last, like five years.
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Ashley Rae
Five even.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Shows that I was excited about have let me down. This was a. This. I was excited about it. Cause it was my friend's show and I knew kind of what it was. But every episode just opens up into something so cool and so funny and so weird that I'm delighted.
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Ashley Rae
And I have my new favorite character in my lifetime now, Patricia.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Incredible.
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Ashley Rae
Just incredible. I did not know what I was gonna get from her in the beginning.
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Jason Mantzoukas
And then the episode where she becomes obsessed with throwing the wine, the party, the episode that's basically just about that follows, only her story was so. And that's like one of those examples of a thing which is like. That's like. I can't remember it. Maybe episode four or maybe five. For them to so quickly, so adeptly start telling, like, single character episode stories while still managing to branch out this large cast of characters, this weird supernatural island, all of there's a lot going on, but they're still able to completely confidently execute, like, single character point of view episode.
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Ashley Rae
Incredible. And not just that. They'll be like, you know what? Let's take it back to the 1500s.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, watch this. Two episodes later, bam, we're going back in time. And then we'll go back.
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Ashley Rae
We got Betty Gilpin. She's down to do something fun. And that again, one of my favorite episodes. Also hilarious. And it pays off in just such a great way with Hamish Linklater coming back as a really old guy. Not to give too much away.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, no. Yeah.
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Ashley Rae
Just.
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Jason Mantzoukas
I don't think you can spoil this show.
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Ashley Rae
Yeah, I don't think you can spoil it.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Even though I feel like there's a ton of mysteries and secrets and there's a ton of stuff going on and stuff. You can have that feeling of, like, talking to your friends about, well, do you think this is that? Or do you think they are this? Or. But all that stuff. Great. But, like, it's also not a mystery, really. It's not like I'm, like, so invested in the J.J. abrams mystery box type
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Ashley Rae
of thing where the mask. Yeah, like, who was wearing that mask? It's like, that doesn't really matter. It's more like, you know, they're gonna use Patricia as, like, the last woman and, like, she's gonna be the survivor, but it's, like, gonna play out in a very funny, ridiculous way.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Well, it's wonderful to have it be. Yes, I'm concerned and so invested in the mysteries and the secrets and revealing them and all of that. But all of that is only coming through our relationship with the characters. And that's what comes first. And that's what I feel like a lot of the other kind of mystery forward shows seem to care more about the mystery or the whodunit or the whatever. And the characters can feel real stock and real archetypal. And this feels like everybody is an absolute weirdo.
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Ashley Rae
Everyone. And usually in shows like this, the teen cast, they don't pull their weight. For me. I usually am rolling my eyes when I'm like, some moody teenager who's finding out family secrets. I don't care. Care. Like, I'm like, yeah, I get it, but there's monsters afoot. Like, you're secondary. But even in this, I'm like, oh, no. Like, the te. His son is so good finding out your mother was, like, actually alive. And all this stuff, the way that they set up the wait, will he die if he leaves? It's just all so well done.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, and like, the. For a show to so incredibly smartly be able to hold two competing things at once, a. A compelling horror narrative that nonetheless is still inexplicably hilarious, you know, and the. The laughs. Don't let the steam out of the. The horror, like, the anxiety, the pressure. Like, there'll be scenes that are overtly funny and have jokes and are hilarious. And then, like, the scene where the kids are parked outside of the, you know, the creepy house, and then Ethan goes up to go into the house. And then there's this moment where it switches from, like, charming, funny, teen, ha, ha, ha, cracking, actual good jokes to truly tension, terrifying. Oh, my God, is he. You know, like. And they, they, they. They are so good at drawing out the tension and the anxiety In a way that still they can then flip it on a dime and be, you know, Neil Casey can say something hilarious or Steven Root can do something funny. The idea that Steven Root is able to do double duty here.
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Ashley Rae
Yes.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Is incredible.
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Ashley Rae
Which. Yeah. And he practiced on Barry. He was nasty. Just that energy is coming across so well here. And then Matthew Reese.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Unreal.
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Ashley Rae
My perfect boy in this.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Wow.
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Ashley Rae
Like, I don't know if you're familiar with Courage, the cowardly Talk cartoon. It's a Cartoon Network cartoon that was about a dog that was named Courage, but very cowardly. Is always dealing with monsters and zombies attacking his little home. And he's terrified. And Matthew Reese is doing a perfect caricature of that little dog. Every face he makes is just him being like, oh, no, not another problem. And it's so good. The scene of him on the boat where he's just like looking down this old man and then the boat shifts and he flies out of his seat like he's Charlie Chaplin. I just. Every choice he makes is perfect.
- [30:48]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's an incredible performance because he has to be forwarding every bit of plot. You know what I mean? Both the serious, weighty plot. He is, you know, he is the person who's making steps initially that are. That then kind of lead to a lot of bad stuff. So he has, like a very high stakes role in it. But he is still so. Charlie Chaplin is a great call. Still so goofy and physically silly at times without feeling like a clown character, without it feeling like it's a Jim Carrey or like a clown performance. It feels very real and organic, but silly, which is, wow, what a magic trick to pull off.
- [31:32]
Ashley Rae
I mean, I rolled my eyes when I was like, oh, they're doing an episode where he takes shrooms.
- [31:36]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes.
- [31:36]
Ashley Rae
Ends up being one of my favorite episodes. Well, I was like going up to the car with the teenagers. Perfect. Just every. Just so much physical comedy.
- [31:45]
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, I mean, and what a great. Okay, so I'm so glad you brought up that episode because I think that's an incredible episode of television because we are now, especially in recent history, we are full of TV shows or movies, but TV shows that feature everybody doing a powerful drug and then we watch their experience on the drug. And what I loved about this show is this show very confidently is like, we'll never let you into his interiority. We'll never let you see the trip through his eyes. We see it all from the people around him. He just is awakening and he's lost time. You know, we now see him but we're always seeing him from the outside, which I loved.
- [32:28]
Ashley Rae
Yes, I loved. Just. And seeing the growing frustration of Patricia, like, getting the leash on him and just. Yeah, like we've told you. We've told you where Ethan is just so good. And then Chris Fleming doing amazing, amazing guest role there. I just, again, people knowing what they're
- [32:47]
Jason Mantzoukas
doing, and everybody, everybody. It's like a who's who of incredible character actors. Incredible. And then just also, like, the woman playing Patricia, like, true discovery for me, at least. I. I'm certain I've seen her in
- [33:03]
Ashley Rae
something, but I can't in it with her.
- [33:07]
Jason Mantzoukas
And so. And as a result, it feels like a true reveal or a true revelation. I'm like. I'm discovering a new, like, person, you know, they. She feels so fully realized. I think partially because I'm. No. I'm not bringing any baggage from anything else, you know?
- [33:23]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. You know, I did not expect her to really be a main character, especially since we have Jeff Hiller there. And I was. He's so good. I was like, we're obviously gonna get a whole episode around him. And then Patricia just comes out of nowhere. Stole my heart.
- [33:37]
Jason Mantzoukas
Exceptional. He's another. He was, I think, on a Herald team with Katie Dippold for many years. Another old UCB New York mainstay. And then I thought was just incredible on somebody somewhere and then deserved that Emmy. He won the Emmy, right? Yeah.
- [33:56]
Ashley Rae
Oh, exactly.
- [33:57]
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay. Right.
- [33:57]
Ashley Rae
He was underdog and he won. I love it Is beautiful.
- [34:01]
Jason Mantzoukas
I love it. Makes me so happy. Yeah. She's done such a great job populating this show with an incredible cast of characters and character actors, which is absolutely a blast. Okay. Scott's saying we should move on.
- [34:13]
Ashley Rae
Because we should move on. I could talk about Widow's Bay all day.
- [34:16]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes, we could. This could be the. The Beyhive. Is that. Is that.
- [34:20]
Ashley Rae
No, I don't think anyone's using Beyond. I think we could go with that.
- [34:22]
Paul Scheer
Yeah.
- [34:23]
Jason Mantzoukas
All right, we'll do that. Okay. Okay. So let's see what else.
- [34:25]
Ashley Rae
I'll do another Apple tv. One Maximum pleasure guaranteed. Have you done?
- [34:30]
Jason Mantzoukas
I have not started. I love Tatiana Maslany. I'm a huge fan. I'm excited for this show, but I haven't started it yet. Please go.
- [34:37]
Ashley Rae
I think it is better to start with a few episodes out. They did the classic Apple TV debut with three episodes now. I think there's five out. So it is a slow build. It's really good. It is everything she was doing in Orphan Black, but instead, she's like an alcoholic mom with a dark, dark secret.
- [34:57]
Jason Mantzoukas
I love it.
- [34:58]
Ashley Rae
Oh, my God. Oh, I can't. I can't believe I'm forgetting his name from New girl. Everybody's favorite guy.
- [35:03]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, Jake. It's Jake Johnson.
- [35:04]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, yeah, Jake Johnson. Yeah, yeah, he's in it. Amazing. Just ornery ex husband. He's doing great. And then, you know, there's. She gets pulled into this dark, seedy underbelly of like cam whores and stuff. And it's. It's really funny, though. It is kind of like Widow's Bay where you think, oh, this is going to be like a kind of dark drama. Maybe like imperfect women or your friends and family. But then it goes into a really funny place where you're like watching a stalker, like, find her daughter to kill her. Then he gets the wrong person and it's funny and it's like, okay, yeah.
- [35:39]
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, I feel like a little bit of what we were saying about Matt Reese in Widow's Bay is true for Tatiana as well, which is, I think she can do anything. You know what I mean? Like, I think she can carry, you know, if you go to Perry Mason or you. She can do heavy, very weighty stuff. Very intense, emotionally available stuff. Orphan Black, incredible. But then she can turn and she hulk be hilarious.
- [36:05]
Ashley Rae
Hilarious.
- [36:05]
Jason Mantzoukas
Like, truly hilarious. She's a regular guest on Comedy Bang Bang. She's a. She did improv in Canada. Like, she is an absolute hilarious person.
- [36:17]
Ashley Rae
And in this, she gets to be funny and then also very, very sad and dark. But then she'll just, like, pull it around. And it's another show that I think people are gonna start talking about more when it ends. Yeah, I think people wanted a few episodes to come out because it is like one of those frustrating mystery shows where you're like, come on. I just like, where's this going?
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- [39:32]
Jason Mantzoukas
You mentioned one of the things you mentioned in there, which I led me to want to ask you this because I haven't watched any of it, but you said. I think, think you said in Cam Girls describing this. Have you watched Margot has money troubles yet?
- [39:44]
Ashley Rae
Yes, I have. My next one on the list.
- [39:48]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, great, great.
- [39:48]
Ashley Rae
I got, I got. Yeah, they're killing it over on by the Way.
- [39:51]
Jason Mantzoukas
I love it. Yeah.
- [39:52]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, hbo, but they've kind of come for you and they're in the lead. Like, I did, like, Margo's got money troubles. It's funny. I did read the book it's based on and I actually was not a fan of the book and so interesting. I thought the TV show did a better job of highlighting this girl who's really young and naive. And, you know, they're like, cam girling has become kind of a plot line in a lot of shows recently. And everyone's like, oh, wow, that's the new kind of obsession with Hollywood. But yeah, it's really secondary in the show. Like, it's really about this girl coming to terms with her father being an addict and, you know, realizing she trusted her. Yeah, that's. Yeah. And he's so, so like, to me, he carries the show.
- [40:37]
Jason Mantzoukas
He's another guy, another person, an actor, I think can do anything, can be so serious and so terrifying in something like devs. And then can be. And then can really straddle the line in like Death by Lightning.
- [40:52]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. And here he's a scary, funny dad, grandpa figure who's an ex wrestler.
- [40:59]
Jason Mantzoukas
Wow.
- [41:00]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. Like, he plays it so, so well and has one of the most terrifying, like, near death scenes that, like, it's just heartbreaking to watch. And he does it so well. So I'm. I think, I don't know, we might hear some Emmy stuff for him. It's a really different role for him.
- [41:14]
Jason Mantzoukas
Great.
- [41:15]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. So I thought it was a good show. It's more emotional than funny, really. I think people kind of were like, I wanted more comedy. But it is a little, you know, it's a kind of traditional.
- [41:26]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's a. It's a little sincere. It's a little bit. It's not a. It's not a broad comedy. While it might have light moments. Yeah.
- [41:33]
Ashley Rae
I'm having, with a lot of shows right now is this thing of, why isn't that girl getting an abortion? And it's a problem in a lot of shows right now where they never really address it, but in this one, they at Least give her the excuse of she's very naive. And basically her parents are like, don't do this. And because they say don't do it, she's like, fuck you. I'm gonna show you I can do it.
- [41:52]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, sure. Just to be contrarian.
- [41:54]
Kelly Ripa
Yeah.
- [41:55]
Ashley Rae
With Rooster. Which Love Rooster. Very funny. It's like, no, we need to sit down and talk about why this girl is having a kid with a guy that she clearly hates. Her friends clearly hate him. Why are we doing this?
- [42:06]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, wow. Okay, so I'm not watching Rooster. So I didn't, I did not know that was a plot line in. It does.
- [42:12]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. Oh, okay.
- [42:13]
Jason Mantzoukas
Got it.
- [42:14]
Ashley Rae
I, I, I'll put that on the list. It is HBO's biggest debuting comedy right now. I mean, super wild. It is wild because it's not that interesting premise.
- [42:24]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's. And I watched the first episode and it again, it felt to me again like another show that's not quite funny the way I'd like it to be.
- [42:34]
Ashley Rae
Yeah.
- [42:35]
Jason Mantzoukas
You know, it felt just a little. It just felt a light light, you know?
- [42:39]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, it is light.
- [42:41]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
- [42:41]
Ashley Rae
And it's like the whole time. I mean, this. Basically, a guy has an affair with a grad student, gets her pregnant, decides to leave his wife, but then kind of goes back and forth. Steve Carell comes back and it's his daughter's school. She's a teacher there. It's actually based on where I went to college, so that part was kind of interesting.
- [42:57]
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait, where'd you go to school?
- [42:59]
Ashley Rae
Williams College.
- [43:00]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [43:01]
Ashley Rae
You went to middle school?
- [43:01]
Jason Mantzoukas
I went to Middlebury, yeah.
- [43:02]
Ashley Rae
Middlebury, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, people watching it were like, is this realistic? Do teachers really hang out with students like this? And I was like, yeah, no, that's what it's like out there.
- [43:10]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, for sure, for sure.
- [43:12]
Ashley Rae
Like, yeah. Your teacher would be like, want to come to my house and stay in my sauna?
- [43:16]
Jason Mantzoukas
Absolutely. We'll all. And we're all going, we're all going to Jeff. You know Jeff, the professor's name. We all call him Jeff.
- [43:23]
Ashley Rae
We all call him Jeff. It's all first names and people. So that I was like, it does capture that, but it could be funnier. It's just kind of a light show that lets Steve Carell kind of be adorable. And then you're like, but wait, why is this girl keeping this baby? And then her and Robbie Hoffman, amazing in it. But then they're just like, God, he's an asshole. Right? And it's like, yeah, he Is so why are you doing this?
- [43:47]
Jason Mantzoukas
That's a bummer. That's what I. And a little bit like, I'm so grateful for right now. A show that I think isn't getting enough love simply because I feel like it is pound for pound, like, so joke dense in a way that I'm desperate for is the fall and rise of Reggie Dinkins.
- [44:06]
Ashley Rae
Yes. Yes.
- [44:08]
Jason Mantzoukas
This is, I think, pound for pound. Like the funniest show actively happening right now.
- [44:15]
Ashley Rae
The funniest sitcom for sure.
- [44:17]
Jason Mantzoukas
That's what I mean. You know, the landscape of sitcoms is so kind of what we're saying about what I'm saying, at least about Rooster or a lot of other of these half hour comedies that are lauded. You know, they're either soft or kind of funny. Nobody wants this. Or not funny at all. The Bear and all of these are great shows. I'm not saying I'm not shading these shows. I think these are great shows, but they're just not necessarily what I'm looking for in a half hour comedy. And that is what. What Reggie Dinkins is giving me as
- [44:50]
Ashley Rae
someone who wants that, like 30 Rock Parks and Rec, like 40 jokes a second. Like Reggie Dinkins. I've already rewatched the season because there are jokes I missed and knew I missed. It was like, I need to go back and enjoy it.
- [45:02]
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, that's what I mean. It's so joke dense. Like, there's this shit that's happening. One of the funniest jokes to me on it is evidence of this because it's like they are all obsessed with watching a TV show called fdny. Chicago.
- [45:15]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. Chicago. Yes.
- [45:16]
Jason Mantzoukas
So it's the New York Fire Department that is answering calls to fight fires in Chicago.
- [45:23]
Ashley Rae
In Chicago.
- [45:25]
Jason Mantzoukas
And it's so softly threaded into the show. It's just on the tv in the background. Characters will every once in a while reference it. But I'm like, oh, this is what I love about shows like this is they're. There are so many layers of jokes happening that, yeah, you can watch it multiple times and still get more out of it.
- [45:42]
Ashley Rae
And that episode had my favorite jokes about Chicago that funnier than anything the Bear's ever done. When he's just like, I can't. My pizza's deeper than I'm used to. So good.
- [45:53]
Jason Mantzoukas
So good.
- [45:54]
Ashley Rae
And it's one where I don't know if it's because Peacock isn't really promoting it or NBC, but I thought it would get more attention. I don't understand Tina Fey's killing It right now.
- [46:05]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes.
- [46:05]
Ashley Rae
Like, she has this. She has four seasons. She's still the queen of comedy.
- [46:09]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yeah. And in that one, I mean, just to call it back, we mentioned Megan Thee stallion earlier. Let's. Let's put her here as well. A hilarious couple of episodes that she appears in as a love interest for teeny, tiny Daniel Radcliffe, who is absolutely hilarious in this show, I think.
- [46:27]
Ashley Rae
So good in it. And I'm glad he's finally getting recognized. People didn't really know what he was doing in Miracle Workers, which was so funny. And now I also love that they took the. You know, the. The. I think people were getting tired of the mockumentary thing, and they just have completely flipped it in such a great way. Agree, everybody. And Bobby Moynihan's doing so good.
- [46:48]
Jason Mantzoukas
So funny. He's great, everybody. Everybody's great. Where are you, Ashley Rae, on Britbox as a streaming service?
- [46:58]
Ashley Rae
I like Britbox.
- [46:59]
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay.
- [47:00]
Ashley Rae
It is one that I altered in and out.
- [47:02]
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay. Okay. Interesting.
- [47:04]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. I'll, like, do it for the summers and get my Britbox in, and then I switch to Philo.
- [47:10]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, so you do it seasonally? Not based on the. Oh, there's something I want to watch on it.
- [47:16]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, no, if there's something really good, I might change the lineup. But usually right now, I'm, like, watching Love After Lockup. And this is Polly on Philo. It's that season, so I gotta have my Philo for my WETV right now.
- [47:34]
Jason Mantzoukas
I don't even know what Philo is. You keep saying it, and I'm like,
- [47:40]
Ashley Rae
yeah, I'm just saying, like, it's, like, a thing. Everyone should know what Philo. It's like for every TV network that you might remember from cable, like WeTV or how there was a channel that would just stream courtrooms. All of those networks still exist, but no one can watch them because they don't have cable. And Philo went. Philo's actually a former sponsor of the show. They've sponsored your show.
- [48:03]
Jason Mantzoukas
They sponsored this show.
- [48:05]
Ashley Rae
They basically went, let's capture all of those channels.
- [48:09]
Jason Mantzoukas
Philo.
- [48:09]
Ashley Rae
Philo. That we are no in love.
- [48:12]
Jason Mantzoukas
And of course, use the promo code bonkers for 10% off your subscription to
- [48:18]
Ashley Rae
Filo, which also, I'll say they don't check if you use different emails. And you can coast for eight months on free Philo accounts. I love that, which is what I do.
- [48:27]
Jason Mantzoukas
I'm sure they're gonna be thrilled we're letting that hack out.
- [48:30]
Ashley Rae
You can watch, like, it has, like, Hallmark shows. Wetv oh, got it. Yeah. Like, basically, if you still want to watch a BET reality show, you have to have Philo. Like, they don't have any of the real channels, but.
- [48:44]
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, so that's interesting.
- [48:45]
Ashley Rae
I will not lock up.
- [48:46]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, I don't need Philo because, of course, as a Gen Xer, I still have DirecTV.
- [48:52]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, exactly.
- [48:53]
Jason Mantzoukas
I still have a DVR in my home.
- [48:55]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. My friends who are like, what do you mean you can't watch, like, the Summer House reunion live? And I'm like, I don't have cable. Like, I watch it on Peacock the next day. And they're like, that sounds like hell. And it is, honestly.
- [49:06]
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, when you next have Britbox, may I please recommend the Other Bennett sister? Oh, yes.
- [49:13]
Ashley Rae
I've been hearing good things about this.
- [49:14]
Jason Mantzoukas
Absolutely dynamite. It is so good and so fun and funny and a. Like, it's an interesting show because it is a. I guess it's based on a book. I don't know the book. And it's basically about, you know, the family that is Sense and Sensibility and Persuasion, all those stories, except the focus is on Mary Bennett, who is the sister who doesn't get married and the sister who has, you know, you're following her on her solo adventure in life. And it is. It's half hour episodes. Even though it is like a period, it very much is a light period drama, I would say. It's not a Dickinson or the Great. It's not like a contemporary music and it's not a Bridgerton. Like, it doesn't have a lens.
- [50:05]
Ashley Rae
It's not just for the sex and the fun.
- [50:08]
Jason Mantzoukas
Not at all. It feels like you're watching a very good version of one of those Emma's or Sense and Sensibility, except that it's just a little lighter and the episodes are like 30 minutes or 35 minutes or something. So, boy, it goes down smooth. And it is. I don't know if it's just the mood I'm in or the place the world is in, but it is delightful to spend time with Mary Bennet and watch her work her way through the world because it just kind of. It just is such. If you know those stories, it's wonderful because you're watching like a. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead for the stories you know so well. So, you know, in the background, there's Mr. Darcy in the background over there, but he's not a. He hasn't. He's barely spoken in this show completely, which is hilarious. Oh, yeah, It's A blast.
- [51:00]
Ashley Rae
I would love this. Okay. I'm putting that on my Britbox list. I also am looking forward to Outrageous. I don't know that it's. That's the one. My friends were like, you got to get Brit box for Outrageous.
- [51:12]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, good. Oh, I'll find.
- [51:13]
Ashley Rae
They told me it's about six sisters. I love a. I love a big family show, but that's the one. They're like, oh, it's great. Six sisters. So I have been kind of. I have that on my Britbox list, but I gotta wait for Love after lockup to finish.
- [51:28]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, okay, I get it. When you do get BritBox 2, I will recommend. This is not a recent show. This is from a couple years ago, the David Mitchell show Ludwig, which I thought was terrific.
- [51:37]
Ashley Rae
Yes, I've heard good things about that one.
- [51:39]
Jason Mantzoukas
Great in that way. In the kind of kooky character solves real mysteries a la Elsbeth or high potential or those kind of stories. This is very much that with David Mitchell at the middle of it, which is terrific.
- [51:58]
Ashley Rae
Okay, then I'm in on that.
- [52:00]
Jason Mantzoukas
We're running out of time. I know that, but what else? Do you have anything more you want to passionately talk about or we can speed around.
- [52:05]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, I mean, we haven't even got to hbo Max. I don't need to say anything more about hacks, but. Wow, they know. Nailed that landing. Beautiful, beautiful Half Man. What a scary show.
- [52:13]
Jason Mantzoukas
I haven't watched it.
- [52:15]
Ashley Rae
Oh, my goodness. What a scary heart to watch. Terrifying show. Richard Gad, are you okay? Get some help.
- [52:22]
Jason Mantzoukas
I saw the one man show version of Baby Reindeer in London and it was so unsettling.
- [52:30]
Paul Scheer
It.
- [52:30]
Jason Mantzoukas
It stayed with me for, like, I don't know, three months afterwards. I thought about it constantly.
- [52:36]
Ashley Rae
Like, Baby Reindeer is like a comedy compared to Half Man.
- [52:40]
Jason Mantzoukas
Wow. Oh, wow.
- [52:41]
Ashley Rae
Half man is just. My friends would come over when I was watching. They'd be like, is this just the one with, like, angry Men yelling? And it's like, yeah, it's just that, like, just sad, angry men. There's never a moment of happiness the whole time. You're like, could just something be okay for once for any character in this show? But Richard Gad is terrifying in. It does a wonderful job. It's just so, so dark. But I did like it. It's one of those shows that sticks with you and the ending is so horrifying that you're like, well, I'll have a few nightmares.
- [53:14]
Jason Mantzoukas
That's great. Okay. A show that does give me nightmares just because it's so scary and unsettling while also being, I think, captivating and fantastic as a procedural thriller kind of detective show is Dark Winds. Do you watch Dark Winds on AMC at all?
- [53:32]
Ashley Rae
I do, yeah.
- [53:33]
Jason Mantzoukas
I'm obsessed. I think this is the best.
- [53:36]
Ashley Rae
If you get Philo, you get AMC with it for free. That's how I watch all the AMC shows.
- [53:41]
Jason Mantzoukas
Hold on. Do you get mgm?
- [53:44]
Ashley Rae
Actually, I think you do.
- [53:46]
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay. Because if you get mgm, then that helps me get my beloved SAS Rogue Heroes, which is. Because that's what I do. I subscribe to services when I know something. Like when SAS Rogue Heroes has a new season, I subscribe to mgm.
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Lynell (Caller)
Yeah.
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Ashley Rae
Like Interview with the vampires coming back. So that's another reason I have Philo. Because you get AMC with that.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Y. Yeah, exactly. So I'm. I'm subscribing to. Because there's something on there I want. I. I subscribed to something called MHz for a while just because there was some, like, detective show from Norway I wanted to watch, and then I forgot I had it. It's. It's.
- [54:19]
Ashley Rae
I do that a lot. Yeah.
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Jason Mantzoukas
But Dark Winds, I think is. I think is kind of an incredible show that in the. I feel like at a time when people were watching shows week to week regularly in a way that, like Mad Men or Breaking Bad, I'm just using other AMC shows as an example. I feel like Dark Winds would be an enormous hit. Yes. I feel like it is getting lost in the shuffle that AMC is not a real place.
- [54:47]
Ashley Rae
It's not a real channel anymore.
- [54:48]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's not a real channel. It's neither a channel nor a streaming service. It's a nothing.
- [54:53]
Ashley Rae
It's hard to find.
- [54:54]
Jason Mantzoukas
Exactly. And as a result, the show doesn't get the press or the promotion or the push that it needs to break through.
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Ashley Rae
But yeah. And people confuse it with one of those Paramount shows. I've heard people be like, oh, isn't that one of the Taylor Sheridan shows? Yeah, Taylor Sheridan shows. And I'm like, no, no, it's not that at all.
- [55:14]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's not at all. It is a detective story or it's a police procedural that's set on a Native American reservation in the 70s that's based on Tony Hillerman books. Robert Redford and George R.R. martin produce it. Zahn McClarnon is the lead and is unbelievable in this role. It is lightly supernatural in ways that are so compelling and so interesting, but that's not what it is. It's not a supernatural mystery show.
- [55:44]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. You're not like Waiting for. I don't like the Stranger Things. Not at all of, like, oh, how does this magic work?
- [55:50]
Jason Mantzoukas
Or whatever. Not at all. They are. They are tackling regular, like a case of a case per season that they are investigating. And then there are light flavors of supernatural stuff that are going on that are really wonderful.
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Ashley Rae
It's kind of what I wanted from that last season of True Detective, and that was Jodie Foster. It's like if that had nailed it. It's Dark Winds.
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Jason Mantzoukas
I agree.
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Ashley Rae
So good.
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Jason Mantzoukas
I agree. Yeah. And I think True Detective is a great comp for Dark Winds because I think it shares a lot of similar DNA. I do think Dark Winds is just better at it. Possibly. Possibly because it's based on books that are good. And so they have. They have a bedrock to build off of anyway.
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Ashley Rae
They didn't have to be in the shadow of True Detective. One of the greatest shows ever.
- [56:34]
Jason Mantzoukas
Anything else?
- [56:35]
Ashley Rae
I will say for adult animated shows, I have enjoyed Kevin.
- [56:39]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yeah.
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Ashley Rae
On Amazon Prime Video. 100% Aubrey Plaza.
- [56:43]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yep. Joe Wingert's show. Incredible. So many UCB and, you know, LA comedy friends in that one. Like a fantastic.
- [56:53]
Ashley Rae
Wasn't expecting much. And then Whoopi Goldberg's in it. She's great. It really surprised me. John Waters has a great little part in it.
- [56:59]
Jason Mantzoukas
So funny.
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Ashley Rae
So, you know, I like to give a shout out to the adult animated shows.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yeah. No, I feel like both you and I are very committed as adults to furthering animation to other adults, you know, because I do. I feel like. But I will say we've also lost a bunch of good adult animated shows, although Rick and Morty has just started its new season. But I frankly, I am not caught up. So I can't. It's on my list.
- [57:27]
Ashley Rae
I'm excited.
- [57:28]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's on my list.
- [57:29]
Ashley Rae
But I was like, it's on my list.
- [57:30]
Jason Mantzoukas
I didn't get to it.
- [57:31]
Ashley Rae
Yeah. I'm like, you know, I'm caught up. I have a Rick and Morty tattoo I'm gonna watch, but I'm not excited. I. I am sad that we lost Smiling Friends.
- [57:40]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
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Ashley Rae
And that last little episode they did was so good.
- [57:44]
Jason Mantzoukas
Have you watched this show? That has now been recommended to me a few times, but I haven't started it called, I think, Digital Circus. Have you heard of this?
- [57:51]
Ashley Rae
I don't think I have.
- [57:53]
Jason Mantzoukas
It might be. That might not be the whole title. There might be more words to it. Anyway, it's been recognized. It occurred to me that you might know it because a bunch of cool people told me about it.
- [58:03]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, it's like a YouTube thing and everyone's like, oh, it's more popular than like, Harry Potter now.
- [58:08]
Jason Mantzoukas
Correct. I think it's now the amazing digital circus. Thank you, Scott.
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Ashley Rae
Yeah. Yeah. It's like a big thing.
- [58:14]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's now on, I think maybe Netflix or it's on a. It's now on a streaming service. It started on YouTube and apparently it's amazing. So I. But I didn't know if you knew it. I. It's been. It's just organically come up like three times in the last week. So I'm like, oh, this show's clearly having a moment.
- [58:30]
Ashley Rae
Just this morning, someone was asking me about it, actually.
- [58:33]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
- [58:33]
Ashley Rae
And I was like, I don't know. I don't watch YouTube TV.
- [58:37]
Jason Mantzoukas
Amazing.
- [58:38]
Ashley Rae
I'm old.
- [58:39]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, so old. All right. Do you have any last minute wrecks just before we get out of here? I know you've got. Look at. You look genuinely panicked.
- [58:48]
Ashley Rae
I genuinely, like, there's so much. We didn't even get to peacock run it down. Go Slip was really good with Zoe Lister Jones. It's about a woman, and every time she has sex and orgasm, she's pushed into a different life where whoever she had sex with becomes her new partner. Oh, that's cool. And she, like. It's a really cool, funny premise. It's great. Oh, that comic I also like is in it. I can't remember his name, but it's really good. And then obviously Love island is happening right now, and it's great. I mean, I've been totally Bravo fied in my head. They got me into all the Real Housewives Summer House. I can't stop. Real Housewives of Rhode island is really good.
- [59:26]
Jason Mantzoukas
What?
- [59:27]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, they got me. They got me beyond my deck. They finally. I.
- [59:32]
Jason Mantzoukas
It's over.
- [59:32]
Ashley Rae
I'm cooking. Hooked. I. I'm all in. I hate that I know who Kyle is from Summer House, and I have opinions about Southern hospitality, which I don't know who better than the Vanderpump Rules reboot.
- [59:42]
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
- [59:42]
Paul Scheer
But.
- [59:43]
Jason Mantzoukas
Wow. Yeah. That's the thing is I'm fully. Whenever stuff like that happens, like the Summer House scandal or the. The scandal from a couple years ago with Scandal. Thank you. Yes, I'm aware of it because it bubbles through to general pop culture, but I'm not like, I've never heard of Summer House until this scandal hit.
- [60:03]
Ashley Rae
You know, it's basically about some people, and every summer they go to the Hamptons and live in a house, and then they all date each Other. But sometimes it's a problem when they date, so. Yeah. But, oh, my God, I love Andy Cohen. Now it's a problem.
- [60:18]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, no. Yeah, it's very dangerous.
- [60:23]
Ashley Rae
Honestly. Just stay away from Bravo. Just don't watch it. Just stick with Traitors, which. The last season was amazing.
- [60:31]
Jason Mantzoukas
I really don't watch any of that stuff. The only show that I will promote that I will talk about because I was on a previous season is currently Taskmaster Season 21, which is not at all the kind of reality show you're talking about, but nonetheless an unscripted show. Every episode is on YouTube. Kumail Nanjiani is on this season and is so fantastic and so funny, as is the rest of his cast.
- [60:57]
Ashley Rae
Oh, my gosh. Deli Boys. Deli Boys. He's in the new season and he's so, so good in it.
- [61:02]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, that's awesome. Oh, I didn't know he was in the new season. Oh, fantastic.
- [61:05]
Ashley Rae
Oh, yeah. Him and Fred Armisen are like spoils of the new season. It's really funny. First season of Deli Boys.
- [61:11]
Jason Mantzoukas
Gotta give that fan. Fantastic. I feel like that's another one of those shows that I'm so glad made it to another season. Fantastic.
- [61:19]
Ashley Rae
It's joke heavy this second season. Oh, good. They really find themselves. It's so good. I'm a big fan of that show and the whole cast is great.
- [61:27]
Jason Mantzoukas
Awesome.
- [61:28]
Ashley Rae
The one guy is so hot in it and they really play into that this season.
- [61:30]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, good. Okay, great. Yeah, Outstanding. Well, this has been amazing. We should wrap it up. Ashley Rae, here you are. You've put tv. I say to bed. Do you have anything coming up that you would like to promote?
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Ashley Rae
Yeah, you can follow my substack Deep Trouble. I still give TV recs over there and I'm starting a new project with that where I'll still be talking about tv, other things. So follow my substack. You'll get all the updates. Oh, and if you live in la, I host a weekly comedy show now. It's free. It's in Silver Lake. It's at Casa Cheetah, a really good Mexican restaurant.
- [62:04]
Paul Scheer
Great.
- [62:05]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, we get really great people. I think Joel Kim, Booster, Rachel Pegram will be on the show after this is airing.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Incredible. So check out your social media to find out when and where next shows are coming.
- [62:19]
Ashley Rae
At the Ashley Rae.
- [62:20]
Jason Mantzoukas
At the Ashley Rae. And then at some point soon there will be an announcement about something new to come. I love it.
- [62:25]
Ashley Rae
Yes.
- [62:25]
Jason Mantzoukas
And let's just hope if it's something new to come, that where you're talking about TV on a in a podcast format that if you don't have me there, I will sue you.
- [62:34]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, you should. You absolutely should. But you're going to be there. Come on.
- [62:37]
Jason Mantzoukas
Awesome. So many things we didn't talk about oh so much. My list is genuinely has like 15 more things.
- [62:42]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, there like we didn't even get to like half of it and half
- [62:45]
Jason Mantzoukas
of the stuff we talked about I could have talked about for so much longer.
- [62:49]
Ashley Rae
Yeah, we're going to have to do a part two on this.
- [62:50]
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, I love it.
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Paul Scheer
It.
- [62:51]
Jason Mantzoukas
Thank you so much, Ashley. This was a blast.
- [62:53]
Ashley Rae
Thank you. This was great.
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Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
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Paul Scheer
Okay, I'm back. They were great, weren't they? Okay, thank you, Ashley for joining us. But now it is finally time to announce our next movie. Believe it or not, this next movie will be our 400th episode. Feels like we are much slower than the average podcast, but if you count these last looks, we're about 400 there as well. So we got 800 still. Still seems way behind most people. Anyway, we wanted to do something special for our 400th, so let's choose something worthy of such a special occasion. Next week we'll be going from the Manitou's hospital freeze to a magical flying trapeze. Oh yeah. You have no idea what's in store for you. This is so good. We will be watching the 2006 family dramedy, Circus island starring Audrey Landers, Judy Landers and Ed Marinaro. Here is IMDb's breakdown of the plot in this light hearted family adventure, 15 year old Gabrielle runs away from home to find her deadbeat dad who is a flying trapeze flyer living on a tropical island. Together they turn the island into a circus camp for teens. It is a family circus in more ways than one. Dangers, tears, love and laughter. It all happens under the big top. Now, there are no reviews for Circus island on Rotten Tomatoes, so instead we turn to Letterbox. There's a user there called AHEP who writes we're dancing on the edge of genius and crazy with this one. A family trapeze movie about the haunted pirate Circus island that has crippling debt and generational heritage. With Targaryen family dynamics and a summer camp. A true unicorn and completely baffling. I gotta tell you, one of my favorite movies that we have done in a very, very long time. Make sure you watch the Lander Sisters, the Lander's Family and Circus Island. It goes by a few different names, but let's take a listen to the trailer Lena and Jenny are sisters, but their family is a little different.
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Ashley Rae
A long time ago, before we were born, dad was married to Mom's sister. You emptied our bank account for some useless wasteland. That island's been in my family for generations. It's magical.
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Paul Scheer
We are going to turn this island
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Ashley Rae
into a circus camp for kids.
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Paul Scheer
Teams become stars. They overcome their greatest fears. One family, one dream. But the dream becomes a nightmare. You can watch Circus island for free on YouTube. You can also watch it on tubi and hoopla. It is well worth your time. I don't say that often. And Jason and June agree because we already recorded this episode, so. So get to watching. Anyway, that is it for last looks. If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. It helps us, okay? It helps us keep this show completely free and get us more of that ad money. So anyway, make sure that you are following us if you are on Apple Podcasts. It helps the show and we appreciate it. And you can also make sure that you are following us on social media. We've been updating our social media and I think you'll like what we have there. A big thank you to our producers, Scott Sonne and Molly Reynolds. Our engineer, Casey Holford, our social media manager, Zoe Apple Apple Bomb. And of course, we will forever be grateful to the one and only Avril Halley. Make sure you get her shirt. Over at hdtgm.dashery.com we will see you next week for episode 400 of How did this Get Made? As we take an unforgettable boat ride to Circus Island. And don't worry, just stay happy. I think that's the song of the movie. It's not be happy because he didn't want to steal that. All right, see you next week. Bye for now. All new drinks are now at McDonald's, like the strawberry Watermelon Refresher and the Sprite Berry Blast Tom with cold foam. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire? Try them all now at McDonald's. Refreshers contain caffeine.
- [66:48]
Kelly Ripa
Hey, it's Kelly Ripa. And if you don't know, I have a podcast where I get to say whatever I want. Hold on. Let me get a shovel and a body bag. I envision doing a podcast with the conversations that happen in my dressing room off camera, where people feel free to talk. No hair, no makeup. This is my kind of job.
- [67:06]
Jason Mantzoukas
Only Kelly Ripa can ask me these questions.
- [67:08]
Kelly Ripa
I'm flipping the script and saying what's really on my mind.
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Paul Scheer
We're seeing a different side of you. It's a little bit more honest.
- [67:15]
Kelly Ripa
When the cameras go off, the real fun begins.
- [67:18]
Ashley Rae
Get my hair done over here.
- [67:19]
Kelly Ripa
Hey, this is an off camera podcast, so it doesn't even matter. It's unfiltered conversations and unexpected confessions.
- [67:26]
Ashley Rae
My mom says, woody, I knew your dad.
- [67:30]
Kelly Ripa
Stop the press. I would like to volunteer to administer any and all DNA tests.
- [67:37]
Jason Mantzoukas
Maybe that should be part of the show.
- [67:38]
Kelly Ripa
Let's talk off camera with me Kelly Ripoff.
- [67:41]
Ashley Rae
You just put that in my universe.
- [67:44]
Kelly Ripa
Listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts.