Last Looks: Vertical Limit

Summary

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How Did This Get Made?

Last Looks: Vertical Limit ([July 10, 2026])

Episode Overview

This episode of Last Looks is all about listener reactions, corrections (or, as they now call it, “context and opinions”), and wild tangents after the gang’s main Vertical Limit episode. Paul Scheer and June Diane Raphael (filling in for Jason Mantzoukas on “Just Chat”) read listener messages, share a deleted scene, and give their impressions of their first cruise together. The result is a chaotic, heartfelt, and very funny deep-dive into both the movie and the hosts’ real lives.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. "Corrections and Omissions"—or, “Context & Opinions”

(Starts at 04:43)

• Listeners weigh in on the vertical anomalies and hilarious absurdities of Vertical Limit. Paul and June riff on everything from Applebee’s-induced hunger breakdowns to mountain climber waste management.
• June on why it should be “opinions and context”:

  “The assumption should be that we're always right...no more corrections, we weren't wrong, we're only right.” (04:43)

Mountain Litter & Human Waste

• Listener Android Lauren Hotel: Points out that the amount of litter and human waste on K2 is a real ecological issue.
• Paul jokes:

  “Should we be putting in pay toilets on K2?...get a garbage truck up there. Not one of the big ones, one of the small ones.” (05:10)

• June expands:

  “Most people are never bringing anything up to K2 because it’s—you're not making food up there anyway.” (06:23)

Applebee’s in Pop Culture

• Listeners reminisce about Survivor contestants craving Applebee’s—June laments how her lack of Applebee’s craving may make her odd.
• June describes her recent food ‘poisoning’ incident:

  “I’m lactose intolerant...I had what could only be described as a full level of — I mean, I’ve never felt this way. Chills, headache, muscle aches.” (07:30)

Exposition in Vertical Limit

• Listener Dr. Guts1003: Notes the absurdity of the “magazine reveal” scene as painfully clunky exposition.
• Paul agrees, “That’s actually the hardest way to communicate that information.” (08:26)

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2. Listener Calls on Vertical Limit

Ben Mendelsohn & Star Wars Connections (13:10)

• Caller Dakota: Points out Tamura Morrison (Boba/Jango Fett) also appears in the film.
• June responds:

  “I once was in a hot tub with Tamura Morrison. Boom...he was a lovely man, which makes it sound even more suspect. There was nothing that happened in that hot tub.” (14:20)

• Dakota also brings up the disturbing cough and breathing sound design.
• June’s take:

  “...the breathing sounds were gross, but they didn’t bother me. I feel like it was like it was the pulse of the movie—the Cough of doom coming in.” (15:10)

Scott Glenn’s Beard & Paxton’s Motive (15:21)

• Caller Dave: Defends Vertical Limit and the characters’ logic, specifically Scott Glenn’s beard-shaving and Bill Paxton’s ‘ego’.
• June:

  “So if you die with a goatee, you—you got to forever have a goatee? ...I think you die and you get into like a version of yourself that you like. ...It’s super dumb. It’s the dumbest movie of all time. ...That’s what the whole show is.” (16:15)

Projection Mishaps (18:07)

• Caller Doug: Saw Vertical Limit in theaters where bad projection revealed boom mics in most scenes.
• June explains projection matting and goes on a short tangent about widescreen mistakes in TV reruns.

  “I didn’t realize you could do it for movies. ...There’s a mat that has to go over the film, and that’s also the way you project it.” (19:02)

Tech Feedback & Jason’s "Unhinged Fever Dream"

• Caller Iman: Sets up ‘fuckingcallpaul.com’ to simplify leaving voicemails.
• June enthuses:

  “You’ve won a free subscription to K Barbecue Boxes, the only mail order barbecue meat that comes with poop bags to keep it clean.” (20:56)

  • Proposes drones for waste removal on K2.

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3. Deleted Scene: Amazon Review Read-Aloud

(22:55)

• Paul shares a five-star Amazon review:

  “‘Vertical Limit was up to my expectations. Please stop emailing me now.’ (23:23)”

  • The hosts riff on how desperate Amazon was for early reviews.

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4. "Just Chat": Paul & June’s Disney Cruise Report

(26:59–45:22)

Warmth, Whimsy, and Disney Adults

• June and Paul, just home from their first-ever Disney cruise, share what made it so surprisingly delightful:

Multigenerational Fun & Controlled Chaos

• June:

  “It’s multigenerational. You see old people, young people, babies...there was a baby-crawling gladiatorial event...it was the closest I’ll ever get to a gladiatorial event.” (33:13)

Disney Trivia and Their Son’s "Chill Zone" Requests

• Humorous asides about redoing their basement, child trash-production, and whether their son can use the basement as a ‘teen chill zone’.
• Paul:

  “It can’t. It’s not a chill zone, babe. It’s not a chill zone.” (29:43)

Defining the Disney Adult

• Paul reflects on what makes Disney fandom meaningful, referencing a viral TikTok:

  “We think you’re weird for denying your childhood self. ...That’s troubling.” (36:22)

Alaska, Service, & Magic

• Standout experiences: seeing whales, flying over glaciers, crowd-pleasing Lumberjack shows, Good Morning Disney Wonder, and the overwhelming kindness and community created by Disney’s staff.
• June, on missing the staff:

  “I am sad to have left...Colin, our team, Andreas...by the end of this trip, we have relationships. ...It was something really special.” (41:55)

• Paul, on the Disney farewell:

  “They don’t ever say goodbye. They say, ‘Until we meet again.’ ...God, I love that.” (44:53)

Paul’s Only Gripe

• Paul:

  “There were a few times the sodas weren’t fully carbonated...not enough syrup in there.” (43:15)

• June’s complaint:

  “One night...the ice machine wasn’t working for like an hour and a half.” (43:33)

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5. Upcoming Episode Announcement & Farewells

• Paul announces next week's movie: "Thrashin" (1986), in keeping with the show’s “Extreme Summer” series.
  (Starts at 45:22)

  “We’ll be continuing our extreme summer lineup with the 1986 skateboard classic Thrashin...”

• Bids listeners a heartfelt “until we meet again,” echoing the Disney cruise modus operandi.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• June (On Applebee’s):

  “Applebee's would be pretty good, but again, like I said, you'd be shitting your brains out. It would be good, but terrible.” (07:11)

• Paul (Defining the show):

  “It's the dumbest movie of all time. And that's what we're doing. That's what the whole show is.” (16:15)

• June (Disney cruise):

  “I had nothing critical to say. ...Nothing rubbed me the wrong way. ...I wish we were back there.” (43:06)

• Paul (On Disney’s magic):

  “That, to me, is the magic...It was just positive. ...It was just fun.” (42:45)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 01:12 – Episode theme introduction by Paul, banter, and announcements.
• 04:43 – "Corrections & Omissions" (“Context & Opinions”) begins.
• 13:10 – Listener calls: Ben Mendelsohn, Star Wars, gross sound effects.
• 15:21 – Defending beard-shaving, Bill Paxton’s ego and the movie.
• 18:07 – Theater projection errors and seeing boom mics.
• 20:09 – Technology for voicemails, "fuckingcallpaul.com."
• 22:55 – Deleted scene: Amazon review hilarity.
• 26:59 – “Just Chat”: Paul & June’s Disney cruise adventure.
• 45:22 – Next week’s movie revealed (“Thrashin”); goodbyes and final thoughts.

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

The episode is a wild blend of irreverent movie talk and intimate, self-deprecating real-life story-sharing. The hosts never take themselves—or their subject—too seriously. Listener engagement is celebrated, and the show’s meta-awareness about “being dumb in the best way” remains front and center. The cruise chat in particular delivers comforting nostalgia, family chaos, and a surprising endorsement of Disney’s ability to manufacture good vibes.

If you’re a fan of HDTGM’s signature blend of warmth, wit, and off-topic excursions, this episode delivers from the first “Applebee’s” mention to the final “until we meet again.”

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Transcript

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[June Diane Rayfield]

Do you go to heaven with the facial hair you just had? Why Applebee's is so good but so bad. And June and I just got off our first cruise and we have thoughts. Thoughts. All this and more on a brand new episode of how did this get Made? Last Looks. Play the goddamn theme song. May I have your attention please? Hello all you villains getting your cum muffins. It's me, your mountain guy, Paul Shear, here to lead you on a treacherous ascent up. How did this get made? Last Looks Mountain. Today, you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Vertical Limit, a movie that discord user fun facts47. I like fun facts47 thinks should have been called Funky Cold Edema. I couldn't even get through it. Thank you fun facts 47 for that alt title. Made me laugh. And a big shout out to the Action Jackson 5 for that awesome Extreme Summer theme song. That's right. We are in the middle of Extreme Summer all summer long. That's why we call it Extreme Summer. Anyway, remember, if you have an alt movie tagline or title, submit it to us on our discord at Discord GG hdtgm. And if you have a theme song, I know on the previous Last Looks, Jason told you to send your songs to the doughboys [e-mail]. but to make sure we actually get the song, I suggest clicking on the Submit a Song button on our own website@hd dtgm.com now coming up on today's show, you'll be hearing all of our corrections and omissions on Vertical limit. I'll even share a deleted scene from that episode with Lacy Mosley. And then the one and only Ms. June. Diane Rayfield will be filling in for Jason today on Just Chat as we talk about a cruise. Yeah, we went on a cruise. We just got back. We are recording this Fresh off the Boat which is a plug also for a show that I was on on abc. No big deal. Remember, as always, at the end of the show I will reveal the movie that we will be covering on next week's episode. People, if you haven't watched yet, check out Elle. It's the Legally Blonde prequel series airing right now on Amazon Prime. June is hilarious as Elle woods mom, Eva Woods. The cast is great. The show is so good. James Vanderbeek is awesome in it. I just, I love the show. It's really, really fun. And if you didn't get a chance, check out June in the New York Times. She had a full two page article in the New York Times was awesome. Los Angeles. We are going to be back at Largo on July 31 and August 1. Go to hdtgm.com for tickets to see what movies we'll be covering. We are also selling a T shirt in honor of our movie picking producer Avril Halley. 100% of those proceeds will be donated to the Breast Cancer Research foundation in Avril's memory. Just click on the Merch link on hdtgm.com to find out more. More. That's all for the plugs that we got today. So let's get into it. Last week we talked at length about Vertical Limit. Well, we had questions and we might have even missed a few things. Here is your chance to set us straight. Fact check us if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions.

[Commercial Announcer]

As I said earlier, an opinion in

[June Diane Rayfield]

our context we're asking to recorrect. The assumption should be that we're always right.

[Dave]

Right.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Instead of correction and omission, it should be opinion, opinion and context. I love it. Context and opinions. And you're right. You know what? I think Jason really came in here and set the record straight. This is context and opinions. You know, no more corrections. We weren't wrong. We're only right. All right, thank you, John Steele for that theme song And Jason really put his thumb down on this. I love it so much. Let's go to the Discord Android Lauren Hotel writes with all the talk of climbers in the film having huge barbecues, I thought I'd point out that the amount of litter on K2 is a real problem. A lot of equipment and grossly huge human waste pollutes the landscape. Other climbers and independent foundations have to clean up the mountainside, but it is difficult in the altitude. Wow. Okay. Well, yeah. I mean, should we be putting in pay toilets on K2? I mean, I feel like that's what we're saying. Pay toilets. And get a garbage truck up there. Not one of the big ones, one of the small ones, like the small buses, but the small garbage trucks. You ever see one of those small garbage trucks? I had a friend who lived on a bus. Pretty private block, and you got a small garbage truck. They make them go up there, clean up that. By the way, I also heard that most people are never bringing anything up to K2 because it's like, it's.

[Dave]

It's.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You're not. You're not making food up there anyway. Android Lauren Hotel writes. Also, it's funny Paul mentioned Applebee's on Survivor. Reminded me of Survivor player Liz Wilcox having a crash out because she lost the challenge and really wanted a burger. And she felt entitled to the prize as it was a tradition every Wednesday to have a burger with her daughter. Don't blame her. She was really hungry for Applebee's. Oh, believe me, I am very familiar with this clip because it is a classic. And if you don't know what we're talking about, take a listen.

[Doug]

Apple

[June Diane Rayfield]

y' all say you ain't gone without eating.

[Paul Shear]

I see you eat every day.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I don't even want to be around y'.

[Iman]

All.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I'm over it now. Thank y' all for letting me have that. I feel better. I just exploded. I'm sorry. I love Liz. She did deserve it. It was her tradition. People go nuts over Applebee's. They go so nuts that I'm like, am I crazy for not eating more Applebee's? Like, I don't crave it like these people. And then I sometimes have it. I'm like, it's not bad, but I don't know. I guess if I'm starved. And Applebee's would be pretty good, but again, like I said, you'd be shitting your brains out. It would be good, but terrible. I got poisoned recently. Yeah, I went to a restaurant. I didn't get. Look, I'm lactose intolerant. I know that. And I poisoned myself. Honestly, I poisoned myself. I had too much creamy stuff, and I had what could only be described as a full level of. I mean, I've never felt this way. Chills, headache, muscle aches. I read online that in severe cases of lactose intolerance, I could get this. I lived. I got to talk to Jason about this. With the egg allergy, I was in such insane pain. And then all of a sudden, all went away. Just done. Look, sometimes you bring a creamy pasta, creamy dessert to me, and I. And I shouldn't have done it. I don't even like that stuff. But I was, like, pushed into ordering the stuff I didn't even want because then I feel bad. I'm, like, letting down the. The waiter. I shouldn't feel bad about that. I should have just gotten what I wanted. Anyway, I poisoned myself. Dr. Guts1003 writes one scene with clunky exposition that made me laugh was when the helicopter flew over base camp and caused a magazine's pages to blow over and reveal a cover showing that Annie was the fastest woman to scale a mountain. Was there no easier or more natural way to share that info with the audience? Yeah. I mean, truly, that's the easiest thing you could have communicated. You didn't need to be on a magazine. And also, like, it seems like that's actually the hardest way to communicate that information. 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[Dakota]

Hi, Paul, longtime listener of your podcast. I'm a big fan. I love you guys and your episodes are always such a blast to listen to, especially this week's with Vertical Limit. It was such a blast. Pun intended. But anyway, I noticed that in the podcast, you guys called out a young Ben Mendelsohn, and I was a little surprised you didn't call out the other Star wars alum who is in this movie, and that is Tamara Morrison, AKA Boba and Jango Fett. He played the helicopter pilot and the guy who throws the shoe bomb, and I thought he did a great job in this film. Also, often on the podcast, you guys talk about your disgust for wet mouth noises. And I was surprised that you guys didn't also talk about just how disgusting all of the coughing and wheezing and deep breathing sounds in this movie were. By the end, I was so happy that the sister got saved, more so because I didn't want to hear her cough anymore. It was making me truly uncomfortable. And so I was a little surprised you guys didn't talk about it. But anyway, love you guys. Bye.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay, here's the thing. I gotta tell you, Dakota. I knew and I had it written down, and I'm like, you know what? All this is gonna do is just be a mention, and then we're gonna get off into Star wars, and then I'm just gonna further align myself as, like, someone who's gonna get off on a tangent on Star Wars. I didn't want to do that. Didn't want to do that at all. Can I tell you one thing, though? I once was in a hot tub with Tamura Morrison. Boom. Won't talk about the rest of that story now, but he was a lovely man, which makes it sound even more suspect. There was nothing that happened in that hot tub. I just happened to be in a hot tub with him. Anyway, you are right, the breathing sounds were gross, but they didn't bother me. I feel like it was like it was the pulse of the movie.

[Paul Shear]

The.

[June Diane Rayfield]

The. The. The. The. The Cough of doom coming in. All right, thank you, Dakota. You are the Best. Who do we got? Oh, we got a guy named Dave. Dave, what do you got?

[Dave]

Hey, guys, this is Dave. I am a vertical limit apologist. That movie is super fun, and I was actually really surprised that you guys were down on it so hard. It is unbelievable in the best way. I'm not going to get on you for not understanding why Scott Glenn shaved his beard. I mean, obviously he was purifying himself and presenting himself, knew he was going to die, and wanted to meet his wife again looking like his old self. I'll let that one slide. But I don't understand why you guys kept harping on Bill Paxton wanting to make a commercial. It wasn't about the commercial. It was about his ego. I mean, come on. In this day and age, you don't understand a billionaire needing to be right and to control everything around him and to have his way all the time. I. I gotta be honest, I was a little bit surprised, but still. Love you.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay, first of all, Dave, you're telling me that Scott Glenn is gonna go back in the same body to heaven? Is that the way it works in Scott Glenn's mind? He's not gonna go as the perfect version of himself? So if you die with a goatee, you. You got to forever have a goatee. Come on, man. What kind of religion is that? Show me the religion that says if you die with a mustache, you got to keep that mustache for eternity. I don't think it exists. I think you die and you get into the, like, a version of your. A version of yourself, right? Like that you like. Maybe the best version of you. I don't know. I don't think telling me that, like, if I have a backache and I die and I go to heaven with that backache now. Second of all, I like this movie. It's super dumb. It's the dumbest movie of all time. And that's what we're doing. That's what the whole show is. We're ragged on the movie. You ragged on it too much. Really? That's the show? You think that this movie doesn't deserve ragging on because it is dumb as fuck. It's great, but you can't be like, well, you. Come on, guys. It's. It's too. It's. It's not. It's dumb. It's dumber than dumb, and that's why it's on the show. And let me tell you something. He wasn't. Yes, ego. Yeah, we get it. But it was also that commercial, like, he was racing up the Mountain. Not because he. He never said, I want to be the fastest up the mountain. He was like, I just want to get up there to time it. With the commercial. His goal wasn't to beat her record. His goal was to go with her so he could move quick to make the commercial. Like, his ego. That's where the issue is, right? Like, if his ego was, I need to climb this mountain, the commercial was a dumb add on. Like, make it like, I want to be the world's fastest climber, then. Yeah, we're agreed. You've given this movie too much. I love you. You're the best. But too much. Doug from Prince Edward Island.

[Doug]

Hey, Paul, this is Doug. I just wanted to regale you with my memories of seeing Vertical Limit in theaters. It was on a toony Tuesday where you could see movies for two bucks, and this was about the right price. I think the projectionist did something wrong because in about half of the movie, you could see boom mics. In almost every scene, you could see the memory. The main scene that I think of the most is someone's body was supposed to hit the snow like they had fallen. Except you could see the body hovering off screen for a few seconds before it dropped and hit the snow. Anyways, that always stuck with me quite a bit. All these years. I just thought the movie was poorly edited, and I assumed it was really cheap movie. But I'm looking online, and apparently no one else had this experience except me and my friends. So I think it must have been the projectionist. But when I think of vertical image, I think of boom mics and just bad editing.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Thanks for doing what you do.

[Doug]

Take care.

[Dakota]

Bye.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Doug, I love that you brought this up. I didn't know it was possible in film because I know it's possible in, like, when they did widescreen TVs, like old episodes of Buffy. You can see, you know, extras and camera equipment, a whole bunch of stuff that is really fascinating. I didn't realize you could do it for movies. I went on this deep dive because Scott told me that there's, like, really cool pictures online of, like, film matting. And I guess you're right. There's a mat that has to go over the film, and that's also the way that you project it. I think that a lot of movies work outside of that. Like, the matte isn't as crucial as maybe a cheaper movie like this. And you're right. You probably got to see just some weird versions of that, which is odd because it seems like it's pretty simple to do. Unless he had a different mat on it. That might been the case as well, I don't know. But great, I'm glad, I'm sorry that you had that experience. But also great that you had that experience. Look around for a lot of the old school TV shows that suffered from this in widescreen. And finally, Iman, what do you got?

[Iman]

Hi Paul, longtime listener, first time caller on corrections and emissions, but I guess we're calling it opinion or context now. Hate it. Anywho, I don't know if you've listened to the unhinged fever dream that happened while you were away yet, but wow, did Jason have some nonsense opinions and context that you want to review asap? He did have one good one though. Speak Pipe HDTGM is an absolutely ridiculous thing for a grown adult to say and that instead we should just use fucking callpaul.com so I set that up and now you can. So hopefully this will let you conserve your energy for other things like never giving Jason control of the podcast. Love you. Love the show. Don't ever go away again.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Finally. Thank you Iman, for getting my back in so many ways. Fucking call Paul.com now. That that is what we need. Producer Scott Take, listen, take note. Fucking callpaul.com that will now forward to our Speak Pipe page. Well, Iman, we have to give you something special. And honestly, I'm not gonna even consider anyone else for this week's correction and omission winner. I am gonna give it to you. Cause you spent $10 of your own money to give us the privileges of using fucking callpaul.com and your grand prize is you've won a free subscription to K Barbecue Boxes, the only mail order barbecue meat that comes with poop bags to keep it clean. You know, when the rumblies come out your tumblies, you can kind of just boom. You know what we should do? And this is maybe the idea. We should have poop bags attached to drones. And then when you're climbing K2, you shit in the bag, you hit the drone, the drone goes up and it brings it down to like a porta potty location. I would love some more shit level technology. Kind of like what they did on Pluribus when the drones were coming by to take out her trash. I think it could be done. We should do it. That's the way we have to clean K2. Get those shit drones running. All right. And for the rest of you who didn't win that amazing prize, you can try your luck next episode by submitting your corrections and omissions on our discord or by leaving us a [e-mail] hdtgm or if that's too hard to remember, you can now also go to fucking call Paul. Call Paul.com all right, it is almost time for June to drop in for just chat. We literally just got off a boat from Alaska and I'm making her sit down with me right now. But before we talk about the boat that we took to Alaska where we might have passed, as a matter of fact, I believe we did. We probably passed our good friend Doug Prince Edward island there. We could have joined him for Loony Tuesdays. Take a listen to this deleted scene from our Vertical Limit episode where we read a bonus second opinion review and I'll just read you this one because we've never seen this ever before in an Amazon review. It's a five star review by Amazon customers. So no name and it says yes. Vertical Limit was up to my expectations. Please stop emailing me now. I appreciate you sending it to me, but please stop emailing me. Thank you. Five stars. Like. Like, because I think when you buy stuff on Amazon it just says will you rate your. Will you rate your transaction? And this person is so furious like yes, yes, it's fine. You did it. It's like up to my expectations.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, and Bezos was real thirsty in 2000 so I know they were sending hella. Send a review, leave a review comment like and subscribe. It's me, Cuban Bezos.

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[June Diane Rayfield]

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[Paul Shear]

Just chat.

[June Diane Rayfield]

So excited to have you here June. Thank you for joining. Just chat.

[Paul Shear]

Happy to be here Paul.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Now I would ask you what you've been into, what you've been watching. We've all been watching Elle, which you are fantastic in and the show is so so good. I love it so much.

[Paul Shear]

Thank you. I love it too.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's been amazing to see all the attention around it. And if you've not checked it out yet, June plays Eva woods, the mother of Elle Woods From Legally Blonde. But this is a prequel, takes place before Legally Blonde. And it's been really fun to see, like, that world, which is, like the 90s, which is the first. I guess I feel old now because I feel like, oh, I'm looking back at my high school experience, which is a little odd.

[Paul Shear]

Well, I was the age that Elle is in the TV show oh, man, in 1995.

[June Diane Rayfield]

See, this is.

[Paul Shear]

That was very strange.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I remember getting, like, my permit or something. I remember driving alone and finding out that Kurt Cobain had died. And that's one of the jokes in the, like, first or second episode about, like, you know, this is the second worst thing that happened to Nirvana. And I was like, oh, wow. Like, just. It feels so current. But also, I guess it's very far

[Paul Shear]

away because in the basement of Eileen Teehan's house, you know, so many basements. I was in so many basements that were redone. But to have a redone basement, I feel like in high school was the middle school. High school was, like, the. The best thing. I mean, I didn't have one. I didn't have one, but I. Certain people I knew did, and I was like, wow, that's living.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I mean, I finally moved into a basement because when my mom got remarried, I was in a. Like, they have a thing called, like, a mother daughter house, where, like, there's a separate entrance where I guess the mother lives or maybe the daughter lives there. I don't know where the mother or daughter lives, but I lived in the bottom part. I lived in the keep them away from the front door part of the house. But I have my own, by the way.

[Paul Shear]

I feel valid because after I said that, you know, I'm realizing that we are redoing our.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, but it's a placement, but.

[Paul Shear]

Well, it could be, but we were asked by our son if it could be. He said, a teen hangout spot. He said, a chill zone. And I said, nope.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Well, here's the thing. I think I may have. I may have introduced that concept to him because he's like, oh, why are we redoing the basement? I was like, because, you know, it's going to be great for guests, but then also it could be, like, just a total chill place for you and your friends to hang out.

[Paul Shear]

It can't. It's not a chill zone, babe. It's not a chill zone.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Shear]

Furniture in it. Like, I don't want any of them chilling. They have so many spaces. This whole house is a chill zone.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I mean, we would Find a lot of popsicle sticks in that space. They are. Children produce so much trash and seem to have no idea what to do with it besides shove it into couch cushions, like, as if no one will ever find it here. I. I look at my car floor. It's full of gum. I'm like, guys, there's a.

[Paul Shear]

There's the tragic moments. I'll never forget this. It was a while ago, but I think it was. Sam was playing soccer, and he, like, they stopped them for, like, they had a snack at his little soccer class. And then he came over to me, and I was sitting in a little chair, and he had, you know, like a. A little muffins wrapper or something or some kind of wrapper, and he just threw it at me. Like, that's where that. Like, you are trash. You are trash.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You are the trash person.

[Paul Shear]

You are garbage. Well, and then you do with this what you will because it's your kind, like, needs to be with, like, take this garbage. Well, it's so shocking.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I. I've seen so many things that boggle my mind. I mean, you know, I'll tell my son, hey, can you, you know, scrape off that son?

[Paul Shear]

Is my son, by the way.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Sure. Our son. I say, can you scrape off that, dude?

[Paul Shear]

It's like when you say to me, like, oh, yeah, my friend did this, or one of my friends. I'm like, who? Who?

[June Diane Rayfield]

I'm always like, why does it make a difference? You don't need to know. It's not a part of the story. And then if I say, oh, Marcus did this. You're like, who. Who's Marcus? I don't know Marcus. So then I go, a friend.

[Paul Shear]

And then you're like, well, thing to do is, you know, I don't think you know this person, but I'm actually kind of friendly with him. His name's Marcus. I know him because he goes to the same. Because he goes to the same tennis clinic that I do. He's a really nice. Actually doesn't take that long. This guy Marcus from my tennis clinic. Anyway, he was telling me, great.

[June Diane Rayfield]

No, you and I have a friend that will do things like, oh, you know Marcus. He's the cousin of my aunt.

[Paul Shear]

Well, because he doesn't he that. But that's over. You know so many people, and you do that all the time. That person who you're referring to. Yes, absolutely. Over corrects. And. And we don't need to know any of that information. You're right. But I'm your wife.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay. By the way, My wife, who we have just spent a very special amount of time together because we were just on a cruise. It was me, you, our sons in a little stateroom on a Disney cruise ship.

[Paul Shear]

With a terrace.

[Dave]

What?

[June Diane Rayfield]

With a terrace.

[Paul Shear]

I said with a terrace.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I mean, I gotta tell you, I've never really been like, oh, I need to take a cruise. This was the first experience as an adult taking a cruise. I gotta tell you, it was the best.

[Paul Shear]

Well, first of all, and I know this is Jason Mansukas worst nightmare, but yes, I, I think we have to make a distinction actually, because I don't know. And Jessica Sinclair actually got my mind right when I talked a little bit about this in the deep dive. But I don't know if we're cruise people, but I think we love a Disney cruise.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I agree.

[Paul Shear]

Because here's an important distinction.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I think that going on this cruise, or I should say going on this Disney cruise made me go, oh, I can see all the ways that this can go horribly wrong. But they have everything kind of planned out so it doesn't go that way. And I'm gonna tell you the one big thing is it's good for. It's multigenerational. You see old people, you see young people, you see babies. I mean, there was a baby crawling like gladiatorial event on the last day. That was one of the funniest and best things I've ever seen.

[Paul Shear]

Jack, Jack's diaper dash.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Jack Jack's diaper D. I'm talking. This boat had three levels of people hanging over guardrails watching these babies race. And it was, it was the closest I'll ever get to a gladiatorial event. People are, yeah, yeah. Babies are being held up overheads. It was joyful, it was crazily fun. But I think that multi generational energy makes the cruise a, a lot better. Because it's not just people like looking to get wasted or just like party their face off. It's a different type of fun party vibe.

[Paul Shear]

Well, it's, you know, I, I was telling Jess, I saw this Tick tock, I guess, I guess tick tock got wind of the fact that I was on a cruise, on a Disney cruise.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Whoa. How did that happen?

[Paul Shear]

I don't know. But I saw this TikTok from this guy, very, very normal. Normal, if anything like kind of like tough looking guys in his car filming this on the side of the road. And he just goes, I just want to say something about you people who judge Disney adults now. I'm one of Those people who judge Disney adults for a long time obviously married into Disney. I know you don't. You have an interesting relationship with being a Disney adult, and I love Disney. I'm calling you a Disney adult.

[Dakota]

Thank you.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, okay, okay. I'm not calling you a Disney adult. And you're an adult who loves Disney. And I understand that distinction.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Certain parts of it.

[Paul Shear]

Certain parts of it.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay, so, like, I'm not getting tattoos of, like, the. The nice from Cinderella, but.

[Paul Shear]

No, but you know a lot about it. You have an appreciation for it.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You saw me at trivia night. You saw me at trivia night. Get a five. I was like, oh, I can get this.

[Paul Shear]

We were with, like, graduate level, doctoral level Disney adults.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, Disney attribia.

[Paul Shear]

You were way out of your.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I went to multiple Disney trivia events on that boat and got my. You looked a fool, looked a fool,

[Paul Shear]

looked a fool, fool. You shook your entire ass.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But the TV one I was good at. The general TV knowledge I was good at.

[Paul Shear]

Well, but anyway, this. And I know you're in a different. You're not a typical Disney adult. You're someone who really appreciates and learns a lot of things about Disney. Okay, so that's where you fall for me. Had I not, I guess maybe if I had kids, but I just. I would never have spent any time at Disney. I'm not that per. I wouldn't have ever stepped into this part of our culture. So I. I have approached it with a healthy amount of criticism and judgment, and I have been changed.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I really appreciate. Well, and I. Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

And I know that's universal. I know that's wicked, that's different. But I will just say this guy on Tick Tock really articulated what I think I couldn't quite understand about the experience, which is he said, you know, I have to say to all you people who judge Disney adults like, you think we're weird because we like Disney. We like these characters, we like these stories. We like thinking about imagination and magic and how magic enters our life, and we like whimsy. We think you're weird for denying your childhood self. We think you're weird for seeing your childhood self as so separate from who you currently are. We think that's weird. We think that's troubling. And I was like, oh, wow. That is. What was so special about being a part of the experience was, you know, we had two kids, 9 and 12, who. Who approached it. You know, they're.

[June Diane Rayfield]

They.

[Paul Shear]

They're boys. They weren't running. You know, they weren't like, they're not wild about Disney characters and stuff. I didn't know how they were going to experience it. By the end, they were running to get pictures with Pluto.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh. Oh, my gosh. It's so much so that a kid cut our son. And it felt like the. He's like, daddy cut me. And you didn't say anything. And I was like, you know what? Because these Disney people have it under control. They are looking out for these rogue kids that are coming in. They're not going to let people cut. But, you know. Yeah, we were on the Hot Stitch.

[Paul Shear]

I saw them. And even Sam, you know, when we were in the hot tub watching Raya and the Last Dragon, he said, we were talking in the hot tub, but then he said, you know, I know this movie. I forgot about this. I forgot about it. Yeah, I forgot about it. I love this movie. Every scene that came on, I love. And then finally, I was getting out with Gus and he said. I said, do you. He was putting his towel on, but he still had his eye on that movie. I said, do you want to stay? And he was like, oh, I don't know. I go, let me wrap you up like a little burrito. And you stay on this little pool chair and watch the movie. And he did.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And he loved it.

[Paul Shear]

And he loved it.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And he could come down and you feel safe about it, of course.

[Paul Shear]

But that, to me, is the magic. Now, we could talk about the service. We could talk about the people who work there, many of whom I genuinely am actively grieving and missing.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I know it was really sad. We literally just got off the boat, and I am sad to have left our Colin, our team, Andreas, I will say, also, the thing that I thought is really interesting about it is these port adventures that they give you where you dock. We're going to Alaska, which was honestly one of the best experiences.

[Paul Shear]

Something to really see by a boat, let's be for real.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Like, I mean, we're seeing whales.

[Paul Shear]

I don't know about cruises otherware other places, but, like, that is something that you actually really should see.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Alaska by boat. Yes, but I'm.

[Iman]

I.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But those. I think what they did so well, too, is, yeah, you got the Raya on the big funnel vision, you got the unlimited ice cream, all that sort of fun stuff, which. Did I eat ice cream every single day there? Yeah, I did. And guess what? I weighed myself today. Didn't gain any weight, so I don't know what happened, but.

[Paul Shear]

Well, I definitely did, but I'm okay with that.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But I Think the way that they mix it up. That's really cool. Is that it's not just Disney. I was trying to explain this to a friend yesterday. It was like, it is the Disney service level. And the experience is actually Alaska. Like, that's the theme park here. It's like you get off the boat and we're flying on, like, water planes going over glaciers. We're in boats watching. Like, we have five whales are around our boat, and we're seeing icebergs. And it. It was Lumberjack show. Big shout out to the Lumberjack show. I've been told by many people, when you go to Ketchikan, see the Lumberjack show, you may not want to see the lumberjack show, but trust me, it's good answer. It was very good. But that was part of the fun of it is that you. They brought, like, that Disney experience or whatever to these, like, port adventures. So that became the spectacle, and that was kind of the fun. And you have all these places, like, we watch the World cup game in that, like, British pub. There's no Disney framing there. So I think it kind of gives you a lot of everything. So you don't get, like. I guess you don't be like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna be trapped in this thing for seven days. I can't take it. No, it's like you're just in an awesome experience, and the. The place you're visiting is really, like, that's the standout. And then, yeah, you're gonna watch Mickey walk around in, like, a sailor's costume, which. Or I should say captain's costume, which is also great. And you get to go and watch movies on the big screen. They get to watch, like, we always see Toy Story 5. It was so much fun. But I think that they did a great job of, like, giving you every experience that you want. There are people on there that are just gonna be full on Disneyed out and meeting Tiana at the Royal palace and doing all that. They're gonna be people that just doing bingo, which we did. How many times?

[Paul Shear]

Almost every day.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Every day.

[Paul Shear]

You know, there is a crazy feeling. I was like, oh, I'm playing bingo at 11am every day. But that was okay. That was fun.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Paul Shear]

We never won.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It just felt like you were. Everyone cared about you in a way. And I know it sounds funny to say, but, you know, you spend time in hotels, you travel a lot. We both do. And I never connect with the staff of. Because there's not enough time. You're in and you're out or you're there once, and it's like all of a sudden, by the end of this trip, like, we have relationships with the guy running bingo. With the person serving our table, with the person cleaning our room there. It was something really special about it. And I think that's what makes it more bittersweet to leave and also sad to know that as we dock three hours later, a whole new crew, a whole new, like, crew passengers are coming on and they're taking off, and they're hurtful. I know. I really feel.

[Paul Shear]

It felt hurtful and like we were being betrayed. It's honestly, like, I don't even really like to think about it. But, you know, I also. I do think at a time when everybody is, like, very cynical about things and the state of the world and feeling like people are so over. And there was a snarky thing to say. It's very nice to have an experience that is just positive.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I enjoy positive and fun.

[Paul Shear]

It was just fun.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And I. You know, me, I'm the most critical. I will sit there and be like. And I had nothing critical to say. Like, I would. Like, somebody's like, well, all right.

[Dakota]

What.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Seriously, like, what's the worst thing.

[Paul Shear]

The only thing I could say is there were a few times the sodas weren't. That's exactly the dining room. The sodas weren't fully carbonated. Car. No, not fully carbonated. Like, there wasn't enough syrup in there. Something was wrong with the sodas.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Look, that. Like I said, my biggest complaint was one night when I went up to go get some water there. The ice machine wasn't working. One, like, for maybe about an hour and a half, like. And like, this is not even. This is me just being like, I. There was nothing that we had a great time. Nothing rubbed me the wrong way. It was great. I wish we were back there. And I will say that the one thing that I'm into, and maybe you are too, and I know I made you watch it too much, is that every day on the cruise ship, there was a TV show. It was a good morning Disney wonder which is the boat that we were on, where the crewmen of the ship would host a morning show. And I ate it up every morning. I loved my cruise director and assistant cruise director every morning.

[Paul Shear]

I didn't realize that what is the sound a ship makes when it's leaving. Yeah, I didn't realize till a few days in that the sound was. And it came to me, and I was like, oh, My God, that's so special. I also loved. I mean, we haven't even spoken about the farewell show, but the fact that they. And I'm going to take this to the kids actually, like, don't say goodbye. They don't ever say goodbye. They say, until we meet again.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I love that.

[Paul Shear]

And I. God, I love that. And I will say, I think for a lot of you Team Fred members, that idea of integrating the child within you like Drop Dead Fred is about is so important to touch down with. So I just, I highly recommend it. I don't know about other cruises, but we like this one, I'll tell you that.

[June Diane Rayfield]

June, in that spirit, until we meet again on Just Chat. It was a lovely chat with you.

[Paul Shear]

It was great to talk to you.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Until we meet again, everybody watch Elle on Amazon prime and watch the wonder that we all know that June is Disney. Wonder. June is a wonder. Elle is on Prime. We love it all. Always love getting to chat with June. We bring some normalcy back to Last Looks. After Jason took control, Iman tried to get it back. But now we are here with me. And now that we've said goodbye to June, it is time to say hello to the title of our next movie. Next week, we'll be going from rope hangs to Skate Gangs. Yes, we'll be continuing our extreme summer lineup with the 1986 skateboard classic thrashing, starring Josh Brolin and Pamela Gidley. Here's IMDb's breakdown of the plot. Two skateboarding gangs battle each other for supremacy, and a member of one gang falls in love with the sister of his rival. There are no reviews for Thrashing on Rotten Tomatoes.

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Really?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, my God. This is a movie I lived on as a kid. So instead we turn to Letterbox and we look at superhero Stan 26, who writes thrashing is quite literally the most 80s movie to ever exist. Well, I'm interested. Let's take a listen to the trailer. Corey Webster is taking off for la. He lives to thrash. He loves to compete, but the competition is a killer.

[Dave]

Check it out.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Hooking the Dagger. You like games, right? Ballyboy. An uphill romance. Cory, please don't go to a downhill race. Thrashin is available to both stream for free or rent on Prime Video. How about that? All right, that is it for last looks. If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review and remember to follow us. That's right. When you follow us and have automatic downloads turned on, it helps the show and it costs you nothing. Okay? But we appreciate it all. You can visit us on social media at hdtgm. And a big thank you to our producers, Scott Sonny and Molly Reynolds, our engineer Casey Holford, our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum. And of course, we will forever be thankful to the one and only Avril Halle. We'll see you next week for Thrash.

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