
Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx star in the 2009 crime thriller Law Abiding Citizen—a movie that exists in a world where lawyers and cops are the same job. LIVE from the movie's setting in Philadelphia, HDTGM all-star Adam Pally (Staying Alive) joins Paul and Jason to break down the slew of plot holes, the nude arrest scene, the cell phone headshot explosion, the old timey underground prison tunnels, the robot machine gun, and so much more. Plus, multiple audience experts provide insider info during the Q&A and June sends a message describing what she thinks the movie is about. Check out Adam's new comedy special An Intimate Evening with Adam Pally on HBO Max! Buy our t-shirt for this episode here.
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Paul Shear
When you can't get justice, build a tunnel. We saw law abiding citizen so you know what that means. Maybe see a burlesque show with it
Jason Mantzoukas
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Paul Shear
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Jason Mantzoukas
Jewel gonna take you from the groove
Paul Shear
all the way to the room Rain against the street body hope to blow off steam just a sucker punch the odd life of Timothy Green shot we
Jason Mantzoukas
staying alive they calling them a badass and he's on the line cranking 88
Paul Shear
minutes cause they cool as ice cause the bad gym funny looking kind and nice calling June getting litable Jason is getting laid June is making sure all the monkey shots getting PA Just a bunch of movies while they making the grade. Here's a real question for you. How did this kid pain?
Jason Mantzoukas
Hello people of Earth and hello people of Philadelphia.
Paul Shear
We are live at the Miller Theater talking about a Gerard Butler classic. Some people say Rocky is a movie from Philadelphia and I say no law abiding Citizen is a movie from Philadelphia. Let's talk about this film, shall we? If you've not seen it, IMDb describes it like a frustrated man decides to take justice into his own hands after a plea bargain sets one of his family's killers free. Law abiding citizen. Well, yeah, that kind of skirts over a couple of details. Taglines, a man who loses everything is capable of anything. And then they killed his family. Now justice is his vengeance. It doesn't roll off the tongue, but it feels good. Budget 53 million opening weekend 21 domestic gross 73. This movie was successful worldwide. $127 million. This deserves a sequel. And hopefully tonight, with all of you renting it here in Philadelphia, it might just turn the right wheels. Someone at Apple TV is like, wait a second, hold on, Jerry, we got one. We're gonna break down this movie. A movie that makes complete and total sense. A movie that doesn't have plot holes. A movie where I don't know who I'm rooting for. And I'm okay with that. But to do it, I need to bring out my co host. Please welcome Jason Mantzoukas.
Jason Mantzoukas
What's up, jerks? Let's go. Let's go, Philly.
Paul Shear
Oh.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yeah. We did it now, Jason. Paul, you said you weren't sure who you were rooting for. Yeah, I'm rooting for Jerry. Well, kill them all, Jerry. Kill them all.
Paul Shear
I will say I'm with you. I was upset at the end, and I'm like, venom and terror.
Jason Mantzoukas
I wish I could have driven by a crater in this city that Jerry Butler blew up.
Paul Shear
Did you remember? I remembered this movie and it.
Jason Mantzoukas
I didn't. Okay, I hadn't seen it, but I didn't even remember it existing.
Paul Shear
This is why I remember it. And this could be completely wrong, but I don't think so. This was a spec script that was going around, and people said, we have our next seven. Like, that's people like you. Like, seven. You gotta read this script. I remember an agent was like, everyone's going wild about this script.
Jason Mantzoukas
I don't know why, other than it is a script that is like, wow, what an incredible villain.
Paul Shear
Right?
Jason Mantzoukas
And everybody else sucks. Everybody else is so drab and boring. I don't care about anybody but Jerry. And all I want is for him to triumph over everyone 100%. Tunnels. Dig more tunnels, Jerry.
Paul Shear
More penises cut off by tiny little razor blades. That actually felt like more painful for him than the guy. I'm like, you got to get.
Jason Mantzoukas
It was too much Just.
Paul Shear
Yeah, too much.
Jason Mantzoukas
It was all that scene. I fast forwarded part of that was a little. I don't need this.
Paul Shear
I don't want to see it.
Jason Mantzoukas
I don't need any of this.
Paul Shear
Now we are missing one of our co hosts tonight, but we decided to call in a. How did this get made All Star? You know this person from his podcast, from his television shows like Happy Endings from the Throwback, his brand new HBO comedy special. Please welcome Adam Pally.
Adam Pally
That's very. Let's see if you're doing that in about 45 minutes.
Jason Mantzoukas
So a third of the way through the show.
Adam Pally
That's generous.
Paul Shear
Adam, so excited to have you here.
Adam Pally
Thank you. So I'm so happy to be here. Thank you.
Paul Shear
I just want to set the room for you in this way. Gerard Butler has become one of the people that we have done the most in the show, his films, and maybe
Jason Mantzoukas
a patron saint of this show.
Paul Shear
Yes, sure.
Jason Mantzoukas
He's keeping it going like we worship at the church of Jerry Butler.
Adam Pally
He pays you more. He pays you more than serious.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes, very much so.
Paul Shear
I will say Jerry Butler made a video for this show.
Adam Pally
He knows where his bread is butlered.
Paul Shear
So I think we are always predisposed to enjoy Jerry Butler. But you're coming in. You don't have to like a Jerry Butler. I just want you to know if you feel this audience, this audience is,
Adam Pally
I mean, Pro J. Pro gb. Pro gb.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yeah.
Paul Shear
Just wanted to let you know that
Adam Pally
this audience is chat. GPT.
Paul Shear
We did get a little of the butt and Butler here, too, with that. That scene where I feel like they were like, we need to add like some sexy see things.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, the cops are about to come and get me. I better take off all my clothes. I was.
Adam Pally
I'm surprised that none of the cops that came in were like, oh, you only. Yeah, you only do.
Jason Mantzoukas
I'm surprised more people just don't do this as a strategy.
Adam Pally
Yeah, me too.
Jason Mantzoukas
If I know they're coming for me, guess what? You have to look and touch at my dick.
Adam Pally
I'm going to start doing it. If I feel threatened by someone walking behind me.
Jason Mantzoukas
Done.
Adam Pally
But take my cool. I'd be like, I got. I know exactly what you want.
Jason Mantzoukas
If I don't like the Second opinion songs, I'm going to be like, take
Paul Shear
it off, Take it off. I think that this movie, if you don't like this movie, if you do like this movie, it teaches a very important lesson, which is always use the peephole on your door. Because he didn't that's all it would have taken.
Jason Mantzoukas
None of the movie happens if someone uses. If the peephole gets used. And it's like, I don't know who it is. Bloop.
Paul Shear
Oh, it's a man standing with a bat cocked. Like, he opens that door. The bat wasn't from Bub Hind. It was like. It was like Flintstones over the shoulder. Like, ba. Punk.
Jason Mantzoukas
Can I ask a question? Yeah, I have a couple of questions.
Paul Shear
Yeah, sure.
Jason Mantzoukas
And it's about our two baddies. I can't remember their names right now. Ames and Taxidermy.
Adam Pally
Jesse Plemons.
Jason Mantzoukas
Or imploding. William Forsythe drowned.
Adam Pally
Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Jason Mantzoukas
Rip. Rip. But my question is about the baddies.
Paul Shear
Sure.
Jason Mantzoukas
Are they there purposefully? Well, do we find out? Is this a random.
Adam Pally
No. Because he says to the guy, the tagline, Right. The fate tagline, which implies to me that he's involved with someone. That Jerry has done questionable acts, by
Jason Mantzoukas
the way, that I love that. Is it ever. Can I never label it. I was wondering if I missed, like,
Adam Pally
one of the many ends that are yet to be tied. Truly.
Jason Mantzoukas
Because for them to just. It is the equivalent of Alfie Allen killing John Wick's dog.
Host/Announcer
Right.
Jason Mantzoukas
It's like, why? Why?
Paul Shear
You could. Spoiler from John Wick.
Adam Pally
1.
Jason Mantzoukas
Hang on.
Adam Pally
Oh, you guys know. That's why he does everything.
Paul Shear
Get out.
Jason Mantzoukas
John Wick's dog dies in one.
Adam Pally
You bring up a good.
Jason Mantzoukas
In the prestige. He's playing twins, dude. Dumbledore dies.
Paul Shear
He's not playing twins. He is twins. He's playing just like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwartz.
Adam Pally
I'll tell you about the usual suspects, but I'd rather tell you about Kevin Spacey. Where he ended up,
Jason Mantzoukas
I wasn't sure. Were they there because of some vendetta against Jerry Butler, or was it just random?
Paul Shear
It would seem like at one point, there's moments where they confront each other where someone could say, like, see, like. But they don't. They don't do it. I mean, he says, like, you can't escape fate. But without any backstory. That's a tough line. It's like, well, if you have kids and a wife, they will get murdered and raped. That's fate.
Jason Mantzoukas
Is that. Is that it? You got out, you started a family, but we're going to pull you back in.
Paul Shear
I don't think that those you think run.
Adam Pally
It's like, you still did all that that hit Manning?
Jason Mantzoukas
I could. Yes. Yes.
Paul Shear
But it seems like he's killing, like, leaders of Third World countries. It wasn't like he was taking care of business. He's also a.
Jason Mantzoukas
They keep saying he's a tactician, a brain engineer. He's not like.
Adam Pally
And now the first scene, we do meet him. He is dealing with explosives at the kitchen table while his daughter is drawing.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, it's so good.
Adam Pally
But you.
Jason Mantzoukas
I love that they try and make him nerdy at the beginning. Yeah.
Adam Pally
It's. Oh, my God. It's like.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
All of a sudden, Jerry Butler's Rick Moranis.
Paul Shear
Yeah. If we put his hair down, he'll look real nerdy.
Adam Pally
Yeah.
Paul Shear
Because he even does stuff like.
Host/Announcer
Oh.
Jason Mantzoukas
But I. I also couldn't figure out what is the time frame of this movie.
Paul Shear
10 years pass, and it's very hard to tell.
Jason Mantzoukas
What?
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
Adam Pally
They say 10 years.
Paul Shear
Yeah. Because when do.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait,
Paul Shear
because I'm not kidding.
Jason Mantzoukas
When do those 10 years?
Paul Shear
When Jamie Foxx comes home from the first trial, he's like, let me talk to my daughter. And Regina's pregnant. And then the daughter is like playing in a cello concert.
Adam Pally
It takes 10 years.
Jason Mantzoukas
The same daughter.
Adam Pally
Yeah, it takes. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay. Okay. That helps me.
Paul Shear
No, but I.
Jason Mantzoukas
That helps. That does help me because.
Paul Shear
Yes.
Jason Mantzoukas
Because I was like, when the. Did he dig this tunnel? When did he dig the tunnel?
Paul Shear
He had 10 years.
Jason Mantzoukas
He had 10. Okay. He had 10 years. Okay. Okay.
Paul Shear
Okay. Holy.
Jason Mantzoukas
That me up. Yeah. I wrote so many times. What's the time frame? Where didn't. He just. Didn't this. I. I was so confused.
Adam Pally
Well, the amount of times that I wrote down. What year was this movie made?
Jason Mantzoukas
This is a great.
Adam Pally
Everyone has flip phones, but also everyone has iPhones.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes. Smartphones and landlines.
Adam Pally
And landlines and iPhones. And old school recordings.
Jason Mantzoukas
Pretty sure I saw like, yeah.
Adam Pally
An Iraq 2 bomb robot. Yes.
Jason Mantzoukas
The year Iraq 2. The. The empire. The Empire Strikes Back of Iraq Wars.
Adam Pally
You could tell the robot looked janky. It wasn't from the first one.
Paul Shear
2009. 2009.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wow.
Paul Shear
It's. You know, it's.
Jason Mantzoukas
It's right in that I would have said earlier.
Host/Announcer
You.
Adam Pally
You mentioned John Wick.
Paul Shear
Paul. Yeah.
Adam Pally
And like, I thought it had way more John Wick than Seven.
Paul Shear
Right.
Adam Pally
But was John Was the first John Wick made by the time this movie was made.
Paul Shear
Let's see. I mean, I don't think.
Jason Mantzoukas
I think it's 2012.
Paul Shear
2012.
Adam Pally
Because.
Jason Mantzoukas
Or later.
Adam Pally
That's crazy to me. That John Wick, that Keanu Reeves.
Host/Announcer
Yeah.
Adam Pally
Who says, like, two words in that whole franchise is more likable for revenge murders, for his dog than Gerard Butler for the Murder and raping of his wife and child.
Paul Shear
Yeah, I. Yeah. I mean, this is the tricky thing, though, because this is a movie where I feel like there's a lot of big dick energy between both stars. Because, like, Jamie Foxx is like, well, I'm not a bad guy. And Gerard Butler's like, but I gotta also be sympathetic. Like, they're too sympathetic.
Jason Mantzoukas
The movie that it reminded me of was the Fugitive, for a lot of it, before he goes to prison, obviously.
Adam Pally
How. When you saw the Fugitive, were you on mushrooms?
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes.
Adam Pally
How does this remind you of the Fugitive?
Jason Mantzoukas
That's that idea of the injustice of. Now, obviously, he's not blamed for it, but the injustice of the inciting incident is his wife and daughter are murdered. The justice is not served. Now, he's not made culpable, but nonetheless, I thought he was Jerry. Oh, oh, oh. Jerry Butler's not.
Paul Shear
Oh, yeah, right.
Host/Announcer
I'm sorry.
Jason Mantzoukas
Is what I mean in this movie. But nonetheless. And it then becomes about the two of them on opposite sides. But, like, Jamie Foxx is outmatched in every single way at every single turn.
Paul Shear
I don't see.
Host/Announcer
And.
Paul Shear
Yeah, go ahead.
Jason Mantzoukas
Sorry. And when they meet the guy in the subway and he's like, I'm a spy.
Paul Shear
He's.
Adam Pally
I love that guy. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
He's not even everybody what I am.
Adam Pally
This movie has so many bad writing. I wrote them down.
Jason Mantzoukas
So many bad writing.
Adam Pally
So many bad writing. And it has.
Paul Shear
That's the only way.
Jason Mantzoukas
It has so many bad writing.
Adam Pally
It has so many bad writing.
Jason Mantzoukas
This podcast, and so many.
Adam Pally
And that comes from someone who does so much. Oh, wait, was that a quote? I do so much good reading, so I.
Paul Shear
She knows about bad writing.
Adam Pally
I know bad writing. But there's so much. There's so many lines like, yeah, she's 10 years old, Rick.
Paul Shear
It's like, okay, well, when Leslie Bibbs says, I'm 35. And you're like, well, it doesn't seem like she's like, and I've devoted a
Host/Announcer
lot of my life.
Paul Shear
I'm like, wait, she's supposed to be way younger, but I'm 55.
Jason Mantzoukas
What she's saying is, I've given up on having certain things because I believe in this job. Which is to say, at 35, she thinks she's, like, washed off.
Paul Shear
Well, that's what I was trying to.
Jason Mantzoukas
She's rip. And then she does die. Wait a minute.
Adam Pally
Well, yeah, that's Leslie Bibb.
Paul Shear
Yeah, that's.
Adam Pally
Holy. Honestly, I thought it was the girl
Paul Shear
from Suits, not Meghan Markle.
Jason Mantzoukas
Meghan Markle.
Adam Pally
No, I know Meghan Markle from Suits. There's a tall.
Paul Shear
I know you're talking about. Yes. No, that's.
Adam Pally
I was like, oh, I guess it never happened for her.
Jason Mantzoukas
How much. How much Suits are you watching?
Adam Pally
Oh, the what? The LA one or.
Paul Shear
Yeah, I'm. I'm trying to get a petition to get the LA one back. I remember that. I remember that.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's the. That's the Cupertino one.
Paul Shear
Suits. For whatever reason, like, someone in the marketing department of USA was like, I got it. What if we infiltrate every dry cleaner and make all the. The dry cleaner, like, hangers have suits ads on them for a year. All my dry cleaner only had suits. Suits ads whenever I pick up my dry cleaning. And I was like, this is great. I loved it.
Jason Mantzoukas
How many people is that working on? How many people are like, what should we put on tonight? You know what I just got from the dry cleaner? My winter coat. We should watch Suits.
Paul Shear
It looks good. That. Or like, you know, and especially if the dry cleaner does a great job, like, wow, they got that stain out of the shirt. Your suits is probably as good as them getting that stain out. And they were right.
Adam Pally
I mean, that's how. That's how FX got me to watch the bear. I was walking. I was walking down the street, a wild bear was chasing someone, was like, chuck.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
Adam Pally
And the bear turned around, was totally trained. And then they were like, watch the bear. Season five coming on fx. Like, that is good marketing.
Paul Shear
FX is always about being creative in the good marketing.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, they just walk around, too. I hear. Just screaming at people, behind, behind. And when you're like, when you turn around, they're like, watch the bear. And then I just say, yes, Chef. Which is also what I say in bed.
Adam Pally
Well, yeah, that's because the other person's yelling behind,
Jason Mantzoukas
good to have you back, pally.
Adam Pally
Happy to be here.
Jason Mantzoukas
I love that.
Paul Shear
I'm sorry, I was just going to say I go up and I kiss older women on the mouth and I say, watch the Golden Bachelor.
Adam Pally
But you're getting paid for that.
Paul Shear
I'm not getting paid for it yet, but I think if they get enough viewers, they might reach out.
Jason Mantzoukas
I love it. I love that as a strategy. I love that the movie is moving at a sprint. And that's a little bit why I didn't clock the time.
Paul Shear
No, I didn't either.
Jason Mantzoukas
It's so condensed. The first scenes are the ones we described. The home invasion, the rape and murder of the wife and daughter.
Paul Shear
I will say that that home invasion scene, like you have barely met anyone to care. And then it's like bam, boom, boom. And we're watching this thing transpire. That is brutal. Like it's never like.
Adam Pally
No, it's a fun way tough. It's a tough first scene.
Jason Mantzoukas
And there's. And it's the cold open.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
The titles and credits are after this.
Adam Pally
Live from New York. It's Saturday night.
Paul Shear
And I think, I think it's a hard. It's a hard thing. Like, I'm sorry but like, I do have an issue with the young girl. She should have run away. She was standing there.
Adam Pally
I hate it when a young kid is so in shock they have to stand there. Like, I got a seven year old, if I say stand there, he's at the deli.
Paul Shear
I've never seen my kids stand that still. But I think what you really want, and this is, I think the core problem with the movie is you need Jamie Foxx to be an asshole. Like, he's got to be like, who cares, man? But he's too sympathetic. He's like, hey dude, I know your wife and kid were murdered. And because he's nice, you're like, well, you're nice.
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, and we also get insight into his family life and he. So in every way we're, we're on his side in a way that I agree. He should have been an absolute prick, but he is.
Paul Shear
But he comes across, I think, caring like he is for sure.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. The movie wants him to be the protagonist.
Paul Shear
Right.
Jason Mantzoukas
I believe. I don't think they understood that Jerry Butler would be so charismatic and that we would root for him unequivocally.
Paul Shear
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Jason Mantzoukas
There's so much of this, and I'm certain as we go on, we're going to need a lawyer, a professional lawyer out here. I'm sure there's at least one. We're going to have legal questions. But it is so hilarious to me that over the course of this, in the great gigantic city of Philadelphia, there appears to be three lawyers and one judge. They all get the only cases that matter. Yeah, the judge. The judge is the same judge as the last case.
Adam Pally
Yeah, yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
But, you know, you're getting this case, too.
Adam Pally
You know, you're getting to the court scene because we're going to do a flyover shot of Ben Franklin.
Jason Mantzoukas
They, they all over and over.
Adam Pally
I was like, what did I miss?
Jason Mantzoukas
Where?
Adam Pally
Ben Franklin.
Jason Mantzoukas
It's.
Adam Pally
Who is it?
Jason Mantzoukas
It's not Ben Franklin.
Adam Pally
William who?
Paul Shear
William.
Jason Mantzoukas
William.
Adam Pally
William.
Paul Shear
William Penn.
Jason Mantzoukas
William hat.
Paul Shear
William Penn Hat.
Jason Mantzoukas
Pen. I see you.
Adam Pally
I'm more of a friend of his brother, Gary. I, I. But, like, it's just, you know, it's just all those tropes are like, so, yeah. So there. And he, he is so dead in the law scenes. And then you do get this little glimpse of Jamie Foxx when he's like, with Regina, you know, and he's like, he's making jokes. Yeah. He's like, do you know you make
Paul Shear
better grilled cheese in your mom?
Adam Pally
Yeah. It's like. And he's really. And he's like, he's alive. You know what I mean? And then the law scenes are just like, whoa.
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, his stuff with Jerry, I wanted them to have that kind of friction and tension chemistry that. Yes, that, that. Because they are going head to head.
Paul Shear
Well, as you're talking about, you want that tension. Why are they holding Jerry Butler in the Hannibal Lecter cell?
Jason Mantzoukas
It's an, it's an octagon.
Paul Shear
The giant.
Jason Mantzoukas
What is going on?
Adam Pally
There were guards on the roof.
Jason Mantzoukas
That is, by the way, that is terrible use of that space. That is like 14,000 square feet of prison.
Paul Shear
And by the way, all open to get confessions. Like, it's an airy, like.
Adam Pally
Yeah. I kept being like, why did he turn the thing off if there are guards all around? Yep.
Paul Shear
Watching him, there's so many weird inconsistencies. In the logic of the whole thing. Because also, the skinny little dude who is standing in the door frame and, like, he. There's enough DNA evidence on that guy, but the guy who literally raped and murdered and touched every one of them, he's the only one who's touched everyone. Yeah. Nothing from him.
Jason Mantzoukas
I've seen enough Law and Order and Billions to understand how the attorney general's office works.
Adam Pally
Oh, but you don't watch suits.
Jason Mantzoukas
Absolutely. No, I respect myself. Okay.
Adam Pally
Gary Billions.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, man. Billions. I'm not gonna lie.
Adam Pally
Billions.
Jason Mantzoukas
His name is what? His name is Bill Yuns. William Yuns.
Paul Shear
Are you being. No, no, no. By the way, they. They kind of just like, lie about how that evidence is like, oh, yeah, you clean the crime scene. Weird again. He touched every single one of them. Was all over them everywhere.
Jason Mantzoukas
Flip the other guy against the real baddie. I couldn't figure that out because it
Paul Shear
would be harder to see Jerry Butler kill this skinny guy who didn't do that much, but then he does anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference. He kills everybody.
Jason Mantzoukas
Everybody.
Adam Pally
In what world are the lawyers watching an execution?
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah.
Paul Shear
Oh, well, these lawyers do everything.
Adam Pally
What world.
Paul Shear
That one guy goes, I just came because he has no family. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Like, what are they selling?
Paul Shear
Where.
Jason Mantzoukas
That was his lawyer. That was the bad guy's lawyer.
Adam Pally
And then the other. There's, like, other people in the back rows. Like, what is this on tkts?
Jason Mantzoukas
And I couldn't get into. Oh, Mary. So I guess I'm seeing this execution.
Adam Pally
I'm seeing the execution of the less guilty one in this small trial in Pennsylvania.
Paul Shear
And then Jamie Fox, like, Leslie Bibbs, like, I've never seen one before. He's like, that's no problem. It's like he's going to sleep. This is up. No, you're watching a man get killed.
Jason Mantzoukas
So minimize.
Adam Pally
Can you imagine working at that firm and you're, like, heading home early tonight. Jamie Foxx. Like, nah, I'm gonna go check out an execution.
Paul Shear
Your daughter's cello recitals tonight.
Host/Announcer
Gotta watch it.
Adam Pally
I gotta watch.
Jason Mantzoukas
I gotta go watch the life go out of a man's eyes.
Adam Pally
Yeah.
Paul Shear
And it's like.
Jason Mantzoukas
And then the way they cut it. Well, by the way, cutting between the recital and the. The death penalty, as if these are the two events.
Paul Shear
I wanted it so bad. And I'm gonna jump to the end. At the end of that movie, when that daughter played that cello, I wanted that cello to explode on the live so bad.
Jason Mantzoukas
When. When they did it. When they did it. When the judge's cell phone headshots. Oh, the best. I was. I. I was like, welcome to, like, the legendary status on this podcast. This movie is incredible.
Paul Shear
I don't know if the. I don't know if the phone was a rifle.
Adam Pally
The line of dialogue she delivers right before it is, I'm a judge. I can do whatever I want.
Paul Shear
But.
Jason Mantzoukas
But what?
Adam Pally
No, you can't. You are bound by the law.
Paul Shear
And that when you talk about some of the bad writing, that is exactly the example of bad writing. Because they're in the middle of a trial. It's all to set up this one moment in the middle of the trial. Jamie Foxx like, oh, let me take this. That's the craziest thing you could ever do. And she's like, how many times do I have to tell you in a murder trial, you can't.
Host/Announcer
Your phone. Right.
Paul Shear
So, okay, I guess we'll buy that. So that's all set up. Just so when her phone rings. I thought you said don't pick up the phone. Well, this is a completely different scenario. You're in private chambers. There's nothing going on. You're having a casual conversation.
Jason Mantzoukas
So why would you be that. Flip to the judge who you want on your side.
Adam Pally
They treat. Everyone treats the judge in two seconds. It's like, hey, Judge, how's it going? May you take it up the ass? Like, what?
Paul Shear
What?
Jason Mantzoukas
What? What just happened?
Adam Pally
What just happened?
Paul Shear
Right? We were like, why are we angry? This woman feels very, like, rational. She doesn't seem like she gets upset. She's getting the short end of the stick. And again, is the gun in the phone or was there a sniper?
Jason Mantzoukas
I couldn't figure that device out at all.
Adam Pally
I think it was a phone gun. I think it was a phone gun. A flip phone gun.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
I'll tell you right now, there's a reason I would never have it. Why is Jamie Foxx so obsessed with DVDs?
Paul Shear
Oh, we'll get the DVD, we'll get. And then.
Jason Mantzoukas
And then he says it five times
Adam Pally
and then says it as a joke in the law firm to someone. Like, right before, he's like, oh, what about on dvd?
Paul Shear
I was like, what?
Adam Pally
Does he have stock in this medium? Like, what.
Paul Shear
What I think is going on is that Jamie Foxx has missed many of his children's performances, and he has sent someone to tape it and then get a DVD of it so we can watch it wherever he is.
Jason Mantzoukas
Because the girl says, oh, there's the video of my recital is here.
Adam Pally
Right, Right.
Paul Shear
It's Delivered by a messenger. Like, oh, yep. My school recital on dvd.
Jason Mantzoukas
Here's the other. Don't answer the door. But at this point in the movie Jamie Foxx, he should know their family. His entire family should be in Alaska right now. But the minute one person gets killed, everybody should go away.
Paul Shear
Family accepts a DVD being delivered. She is a young kid in, like, elementary school. Like, you're not getting. Who's delivering DVDs. Like, yeah, we.
Jason Mantzoukas
We.
Paul Shear
We taped it. We burned it to a dvd. We made a bunch of copies, and we're gonna hand deliver it. It'll be to your house tomorrow night. Can you take it like that to me Is Jamie Foxx. Shit. Jamie Foxx is like, get that transferred to dvd. And watching my trailer. Yeah. And I feel like that's him. Improvise it.
Jason Mantzoukas
I mean.
Adam Pally
But again, because that's the only time he's alive, right. In the movie is when he's making some small thing about, like, you know,
Paul Shear
I'm a good dad. Like, yeah. The want is he. He is trying so hard to be good. The first moment that you meet him, he's sticking up for Leslie Bibb.
Host/Announcer
The.
Paul Shear
You know. And the next.
Adam Pally
Oh, yeah, that was a weird moment that. Because there. There was sexual tension.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
Between him and Leslie Bibb. If it wasn't for Chester.
Paul Shear
Right.
Jason Mantzoukas
I kept thinking. I kept thinking Chester was somehow gonna be.
Adam Pally
I thought Chester was the guy behind Leslie Bibb.
Jason Mantzoukas
A couple times I thought maybe Chester was gonna be the accomplice to Jerry Butler. No, I thought maybe Bib was going to be Jerry Butler. I was looking for connections that at the end, the movie was like, jk. Jerry Butler's his own friend.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
At which point, kill Jerry Butler killer. He has nobody else working on his behalf.
Paul Shear
I literally, when Cole Meaney. They have that scene where in the. Cole Mean, he's, like, waiting outside the prison. I was like, oh, he sent.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yep.
Paul Shear
He's the accomplished. I was like, oh, no, he's just there. He just.
Adam Pally
Is Cole Meanie.
Host/Announcer
The.
Adam Pally
The one is Cole Meaney, the one that looks like Michael Madsen in an open casket?
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, I think so. Yes. The police.
Paul Shear
Yeah. Yeah. The. I do wanna. I mean, also the cold weather and the sound of this shot. Like, every white person looks more pale than they need to. It's like they all look gray.
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, they look gray. Cause they're in Philly.
Paul Shear
Why? And I guess as someone who has not attended many an execution, do they put everybody out like they're in the crucifixion pose? Like Arms like, let's move the table in the standing position.
Adam Pally
I can answer this. My brother in law is a lawyer.
Paul Shear
They literally, like, they rap.
Jason Mantzoukas
I remember that.
Paul Shear
He's on an amusement park ride.
Jason Mantzoukas
Like in Dead Man Walking. He's in that position. So. And I don't know if it's just movies that are like, oh, anybody dying by execution is a Christ like character.
Paul Shear
Oh.
Jason Mantzoukas
Or if that's really how it's done. Does anybody have experience?
Paul Shear
I don't think they're launching.
Jason Mantzoukas
Morgan, are you here?
Paul Shear
Morgan is here tonight.
Jason Mantzoukas
Morgan is here?
Paul Shear
Yep.
Jason Mantzoukas
Have you talked to him already?
Paul Shear
There he is.
Jason Mantzoukas
Give it up for Morgan. Oh, there he is. Can we get house lights, Morgan?
Paul Shear
You better have some details.
Jason Mantzoukas
You better have trained to be a lawyer, Morgan, because we're gonna need your expertise.
Paul Shear
Are you a lawyer, Morgan? Okay, but I'll ask you one more question. If this was a DD campaign, would it be believable? Okay. You'd have to have a really bad DM running it. We love Morgan.
Jason Mantzoukas
One of my favorite things in the movie is. Okay, I'm gonna start by saying one of my most disappointing parts of the movie is when Jerry gets put in jail. It gives him less momentum. And all I want is for him to be skyrocketing forward like he is in plane or like he is in Kandahar or like he is in Greenland or like he is in any of the other geostorm. Any of the other phenomenal movies falling. Oh, any of the. The Bannon. Any of the Mike Bannon movies. The Bannon verse. Absolutely. But when he goes.
Adam Pally
You're talking about Steve Bannon, right? I know what you're reading.
Jason Mantzoukas
He really. He gets kind of stuck in a. In a physical space. So he does so much. I love when he gets Del Frisco's.
Host/Announcer
Del Frisco.
Jason Mantzoukas
Del Frisco's. The.
Adam Pally
Del Frisco's.
Jason Mantzoukas
Mention. There's a waiter. There's a truck. There's a white jacketed waiter from Del Frisco's in the prison, like an Indian.
Paul Shear
And the funny thing about that is he didn't request the waiter. Like he just requested the meal. He was like, I want a steak with all the fixings. And they're like. Like, maybe I should bring the. The waiter in.
Jason Mantzoukas
I remember.
Adam Pally
Well, I thought that that was the accomplice for a little. Because he does this weird thing where he goes, dave, hey, garcon, take 30.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
Or whatever. Which is also like, the guy brought a steak all the way to death row. You think he could, like, he's not
Paul Shear
even on death row. He's dead.
Adam Pally
That's solitary, right?
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
No, no, no, no. Because that's what he kills.
Paul Shear
Post Malone, by the way. Again, not quite sure about.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's how you time this movie out. No face tattoos on it.
Paul Shear
Yeah. Truly, I do think that I agree with what you're saying about not having that Gerard Butler energy. But I do want to play the scene which he does. Say the titular line. This is clip six. This is like the freak out moment with the judge. Wherever. Again, everyone attacks the judge.
Host/Announcer
Clip six.
Paul Shear
Your honor, I'm a law abiding citizen.
Host/Announcer
Boom.
Paul Shear
I'm just a regular guy. I am not a flight risk. And this is my first alleged offense. And the prosecution has not presented one single piece of evidence against me. It's a slippery slope, your honor. Haven't we seen the result of such violations both internationally and domestically? Case in point would be Davey McDonough, docket number 041325.
Audience Member / Guest
I am actually inclined to agree with you, Mr. Shelton. The state has failed to establish a compelling basis for its motion, and I will grant bail in the amount.
Paul Shear
Your honor, I would caution you not to do that. Thank you. Excuse me? No, I don't think I will excuse you. You see, this is what I'm talking about. You were about to let me go. Are you kidding me? So much reaction. This is why we're here in the first place. You think I don't remember who you are, lady?
Audience Member / Guest
I would tread carefully, Mr. Sheldon.
Paul Shear
Well, how carefully should I tread? Because apparently I just killed two people and you were about to let me walk right out that door. How misguided are you? I feed you a couple of bullshit legal precedents and there you go, you jump on it like a bitch in heat. Folks, you all hang out mad men and murderers back on the street. You're too busy treating the law like it's a assembly line. Any idea what justice is? Whatever happened?
Audience Member / Guest
Of course.
Adam Pally
Whatever happened to right and wrong?
Paul Shear
Whatever happened to the people Rail denied? Whatever happened to justice? And I bet you take it up the ass. That's my new acting monologue whenever I have to do an audition for anything.
Jason Mantzoukas
Now, I. I would love it if that's in the trailer, but there's a like a record scratch noise where he did that when he turns and is like. And just becomes such an asshole. But like, so good.
Adam Pally
I mean, he's the best. Struggling with that Irish accent. Oh, first of all, struggling, but whatever. Scottish struggling with his Shrek and it's like, bleed Shrek voice is bleeding out in that monologue.
Paul Shear
I think that, like, I like the choice that Schwarzenegger eventually made where it's like, no, no, I'm just gonna have the Austrian accent. I'm never gonna try to hide.
Jason Mantzoukas
I don't understand why he can't just be Shrek.
Adam Pally
Why?
Jason Mantzoukas
Who cares? He basically. Now is he now he just does Shrek and that sometimes there's like a little wink. Him and Statham now are basically like, doesn't matter what citizen. A citizen of what country they are. They have the. And they always. I prefer. How did he know this? So you're telling. So this is 10 years later, right? How did he know that he would get the same da? He's a brain, Jason.
Paul Shear
He's a brain.
Jason Mantzoukas
That is crazy.
Paul Shear
Well, I think that maybe they were like, you know, you get dibs on it. Like, oh, if all the murders connect, you get dibs. You collect them all kind of a thing.
Jason Mantzoukas
Like, yeah, you know, it's a Pokemon Go situation.
Paul Shear
But he is like, he. In that scene, he is working his ass off and he makes sense. Like, he does, like, his plan. Not the way he executes his plan, but it's like, yeah, bad guys, get off. I'm gonna show you how bad you are. And the whole movie is predicated on that end scene where he's like, well, you did learn your lesson. I'm like, oh, that was it. Like, yes.
Jason Mantzoukas
And don't make deals with murderers.
Paul Shear
And meanwhile, he killed so many innocent people who did nothing. Who did nothing wrong. Leslie Bibb did nothing wrong.
Adam Pally
Chester survives.
Jason Mantzoukas
Chester. Chester. Chester lives to tell another tale.
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Jason Mantzoukas
people died when Jamie Foxx plants the bomb in the prison?
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
Oh.
Jason Mantzoukas
How many people die in that explosion?
Adam Pally
It's so big, it rocks the outside of the prison.
Paul Shear
While he's walking away, he's walking away like that is a brick house prison. And flames are.
Jason Mantzoukas
I think it's pronounced brick house,
Paul Shear
but yeah, like it's. And also that ending is so. The ending is so unfulfilling.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yes.
Adam Pally
How do they decide in prison movies who gets short sleeve jumpsuits and who?
Jason Mantzoukas
I think you get. I think, I think you get your decide.
Adam Pally
That's a GB choice.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, I think you get to decide when you enter.
Adam Pally
Oh, see, I think it's an actor choice. I feel like, like there was definitely a fitting day.
Paul Shear
Oh, yeah.
Adam Pally
Where they had the orange ones, the green ones all there. And GP's going through it. Like. I know. I really. I love to show my guns, you know, like.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes.
Adam Pally
Are we. What's the point of casting me, by the way?
Paul Shear
He is he. This is definitely skinnier. Gerard Butler too.
Jason Mantzoukas
He looks great.
Adam Pally
Yeah. And you can see it when he gets naked for no reason.
Jason Mantzoukas
He. Oh, yeah.
Paul Shear
I mean, and this is. All right, so it's also.
Jason Mantzoukas
You can also date the movie because he does the naked scene but is very clearly not on any kind of steroids.
Adam Pally
Right, right.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
And that kind of a scene, now the actor would be jacked on steroids, would be hghed out.
Adam Pally
Like, you'd see looking like a tomato.
Paul Shear
But, you know, here's the thing.
Jason Mantzoukas
Tomato energy.
Adam Pally
Tomato energy.
Jason Mantzoukas
Jack tomato.
Paul Shear
He should never be jacked because he is a low impact kinetic operations guy.
Adam Pally
Yeah, he's low impact kinetic.
Paul Shear
Yeah, low impact kinetic operations. You know, it's by stuff that was such a ally.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay.
Paul Shear
There are so many crazy things that are said and it's like, like in the beginning, like when the guy holds the gun and tries to shoot him. And then like there's little like needles in the gun.
Adam Pally
Oh, I love that moment.
Paul Shear
He's like, that's a pufferfish needle.
Adam Pally
Yeah, I was like,
Jason Mantzoukas
it's also great when he's doing the. A different voice for the blonde haired
Adam Pally
cop and then another one for the guy pushing the thing, which is like slightly racist.
Jason Mantzoukas
And I love that.
Paul Shear
That guy like, hey, Nando, what's up there?
Adam Pally
Yeah, he's.
Paul Shear
Hola.
Adam Pally
He's like, hola.
Jason Mantzoukas
Hola.
Host/Announcer
Yeah.
Adam Pally
Oh, no. Today has been Loco
Paul Shear
Mia. Studio Librario.
Jason Mantzoukas
Did he kill that guy? Like, did he have to kill that guy?
Host/Announcer
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
That sucks.
Paul Shear
Why are they letting a janitor into a solitary prison cell? Gotta clean up.
Jason Mantzoukas
No, no, that was in town hall. Oh, that was in town hall.
Paul Shear
How did he get into prison?
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, the tunnel.
Paul Shear
Tunnels.
Jason Mantzoukas
How did he get out of prison?
Paul Shear
I. You know what? I think I was confused that I thought he was coming out of a jail. So that was before the reveal that he has built an underground city that he can move around and.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, he's got train tracks under there. It is lighting like, like, honestly, when they believe the cartels have seen this movie and are like, hang on, this looks this is a good idea. Maybe we should law abiding citizen drugs into the country.
Adam Pally
When they first find the tunnel, it's. It looks cartoonishly old timey. Like it looks like DuckTales.
Paul Shear
Right? Like. Like they're gonna like, it's like one of those things where like one guy pushes down the lever.
Jason Mantzoukas
You guys expect to see.
Adam Pally
I expected a chase on one of those at the end when like Gerard in the cart.
Jason Mantzoukas
Like that would have been incredible. Like, like, like Indiana Jones too.
Paul Shear
Yes, but why this guy is. So once we understand that this movie is like he's got the tunnel system. This means that every night he's sneaking out like.
Jason Mantzoukas
And no one ever marrying the lawyer. He's doing all of the hijinks of the movie he's doing outside of his cell. Which means in 2009, they have no cameras in this prison.
Paul Shear
No, they have plenty. Because he's hooked up to every one of them.
Jason Mantzoukas
Because they go, look, but he's got
Adam Pally
pillows under the thing. They think it's pillows. But I'm a kinetic engineer. I think I know how to fake it.
Paul Shear
I love Ferris Bueller and I fucking do it like that.
Adam Pally
This is the easiest part. You just put the pillows under the blanket.
Paul Shear
The next part is where it gets challenging. But I guess like the, the. The way that this movie like kind of thinks about prison is at 5 o' clock they stop really watching the prisoners. Like, you know, it's like, well, it's. It's the end of business day. We don't have to watch a prison at night. At night, like. Cause he's also coming back in. So at one point someone had to be like, do you hear that? Yeah. It sounded like a little door open.
Jason Mantzoukas
What's crazy?
Adam Pally
It's probably nothing. Well, there's only one person in there and there's no way in or out. So any sound.
Jason Mantzoukas
Are you gonna worry about everything? Carl, the movie is huge. The movie is big in scope, right? And scale it. It's about justice and it's about this and that. Big, big themes and ideas. But it's really only about like five or four people. Like there's no. There's so few ancillary. We don't know any of the other prisoners. We don't know any of the other lawyers beyond Bib and Bruce McGill, the legend. Like, we don't know. We don't get any interesting side characters. Almost like when that guy comes in and he's the spy, I'm like, great, give me some insight into this world. I want to Know where these guys. Nope, not at all.
Adam Pally
It's so crazy too, because every role is the most talented character actor in the history of cinema. I mean, true.
Paul Shear
Everyone's great.
Adam Pally
This movie could have been called character actors making their nut for the year. Because it's like every one of them is like, that guy's amazing. And you have to suffer and watch Bruce McGill get blown up in a
Jason Mantzoukas
car, like, and sometimes be just seated like, like two seats down from the action, not even having lines. I was like, give Bruce McGill the day off.
Paul Shear
My, my, my favorite moment in the film is like, at 6am you'll die. And so clearly they're working through the night. They decide, well, we gotta work in the prison. We gotta work in the prison.
Jason Mantzoukas
We gotta.
Paul Shear
We gotta work in the prison.
Jason Mantzoukas
Of course, Jerry knows that's the only option.
Paul Shear
Yeah. So they're working at the prison. And then clearly around, like, it feels to me like around 5:45am they're like, well, we didn't figure it out. And then they all just stare at the clock.
Host/Announcer
All right.
Adam Pally
But I love this.
Paul Shear
Any moment we're gonna die. And then they just wait until 6:00am like, oh, we didn't die. Well, I guess he's a liar. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Adam Pally
There was very little like, do you think he did anything outside? No one even. It was just like, well, I guess we were wrong.
Jason Mantzoukas
And also, there's so little they don't discuss amongst themselves anything. Like with the very. With the exception only of BiB at one point saying to Jamie Foxx, would you do it any different? And he says, absolutely not. He is unwavering throughout. And that is a failing of the movie that the movie doesn't chip away at him and make him question himself. And at the very end, he's like, I don't do deals with murderers. And Jerry's like, yes, you learned your lesson. And I'm like, what is that?
Paul Shear
Well, again, and that was the thing. It was like, he, he needed to have that arc.
Host/Announcer
You gotta change.
Paul Shear
I will say that I did like the part where I think it was Bruce McGill goes, He's saving you for last.
Host/Announcer
Yeah, no shit.
Paul Shear
Like, like, anyway, like. And it was like, oh, you think
Adam Pally
it's cuz I'm Jamie Foxx.
Paul Shear
But it's also like, clearly, like, we'll kill everyone around you. And then you'll get to what, like, he wants to.
Adam Pally
What they did. It does make sense when you think of the way they. They kind of did the worst, most gruesome killing right off the bat, right?
Jason Mantzoukas
Like, the first murder we see Gerard
Adam Pally
do is he's cutting off some guy's eyelids so you can watch him cut off his own penis. Like, it's, like, wildly graphic.
Paul Shear
And by the way, he didn't just cut off his penis. He cut off his balls first.
Adam Pally
Yeah. Why did he use different.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
Why were the balls tougher than the dick? He was like, I had to use four steps for the dick, and then
Jason Mantzoukas
I had to use a.
Adam Pally
Some. A different one for the balls. I was like, seems like it's in the same.
Jason Mantzoukas
Like, honestly, everything down there is so soft.
Adam Pally
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Like, what are we doing? What? A butter knife could take it off.
Adam Pally
I mean, he's doing. Get it with your hands.
Paul Shear
I imagine at one point you must be like, I know you want this guy to feel everything, but you're like, I. I think I did it, though.
Jason Mantzoukas
Right?
Paul Shear
Like, at a certain point, you'd be
Adam Pally
like, and now's the part where I touch your dick.
Paul Shear
I'll carry it up your.
Adam Pally
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
What would have been amazing is if somehow that guy, Darby, I think his name is. If he was the last one he builds up, that's the person who most deserves justice or the violent ends that he meets. Right? But he's first. So now I'm satiated. I'm like, great, he did it. But now he's like, no, now I have to take down the system.
Paul Shear
Right?
Jason Mantzoukas
And I'm like, wait, are you the Khaleesi breaking the wheel? What is this? I don't understand.
Adam Pally
Well, they. They even have that scene where we've already done a scene of them in the interrogation room. And then it comes back and he's like, I also want a steak. And Jamie Fox like, I think we did this. I think we did this.
Jason Mantzoukas
And, yeah, I already gave you.
Adam Pally
I gave you a bed. And he's like, no, no, but I've got more information. I don't care. He's like, well, you should care. He's like, okay, now I care.
Jason Mantzoukas
Like, like, what? What?
Paul Shear
Well, this is also the moment in the film where the movie does not know the difference between a cop and a lawyer, because Jamie Foxx is like, we're going to get in the helicopter, boys. I'm like, you're.
Adam Pally
How far away was Bill O'Reilly or
Jason Mantzoukas
whatever his name was?
Paul Shear
It's like, there he is, leading police into crime scenes, like, constantly. Wait, is he a copy? I got this.
Jason Mantzoukas
So much so that at the end, he's in the cell with a gun.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
And I'm like, You would not be here, my guy.
Paul Shear
That's a crime, Jamie.
Adam Pally
I hope you have a permit for that.
Paul Shear
Jamie Foxx also did not, like, even. He's like, 10 degrees south, 5 minutes, 62. And he's like, got it.
Adam Pally
I know.
Jason Mantzoukas
I was like, wait.
Adam Pally
Are minutes how we measure longitude and latitude?
Jason Mantzoukas
That's time.
Adam Pally
That's not distance.
Paul Shear
Well, I want to go out to the crowd. I want to talk to you all.
Jason Mantzoukas
Can I. Yeah, go.
Paul Shear
Yeah, please.
Jason Mantzoukas
Can we get house lights? And then also, if you're out there and you are a district attorney here in this town, we have one in the front. Paul.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
This is a district attorney right here.
Paul Shear
Whoa. Okay, hold on. All right, so, hi, welcome. Thank you for representing. We did say that if you have some experience, you clearly do. You. You work here in the very cold hallways, it seems like. Because also in this movie, they're clearly outside, but inside, like, their cold breath is coming out of their mouth in, like, an opening scene. All right, so tell me what you got.
Audience Member / Guest
My name is Mackenzie. I just wanted to confirm that, actually, this is exactly what my job is, like, every day.
Paul Shear
Okay, great. Okay, great. So are you, like, Leslie Bibb, or are you, like, where are you at? Are you more Jamie Foxx? Are you more Leslie Bibb? Are you more Bruce McGill?
Jason Mantzoukas
You've given it all away at the 35.
Audience Member / Guest
I am.
Adam Pally
What's the. What's your favorite execution you've ever seen?
Paul Shear
She said that she's 33. She's got a bunch of cats.
Audience Member / Guest
Like, yeah, maybe.
Paul Shear
Would you have made a deal like this, like, the way that Jamie Foxx did?
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yes.
Audience Member / Guest
I'm not sure how Jamie Foxx is going to continue to be an assistant district attorney, because not making deals with murderers is really unworkable. Sorry, everyone.
Adam Pally
Well, he becomes the district attorney in a small room very quickly when she says, grab me the Bible.
Paul Shear
No, he becomes mayor.
Adam Pally
Mayor. Mayor.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait, what?
Paul Shear
District attorney.
Jason Mantzoukas
District attorney. Oh, sorry.
Adam Pally
He becomes.
Paul Shear
Gary is holding the Bible in that, right?
Adam Pally
Yes, that's mayor holding the Bible with a lifeless look, like
Paul Shear
the only character actor not cast in this movie.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait, and Bruce McGill, he's taking Bruce McGill's position, right?
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay, now, so my question at that point, I was like, is Jamie Foxx helping?
Adam Pally
Is he the guy?
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes, he'd been. Because he wanted the promotion.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Which would have been cool. Not the case.
Host/Announcer
So.
Jason Mantzoukas
So making deals with murderers is what you're all about.
Audience Member / Guest
If you listen to Fox News, I think they would tell you that's what we're up to. So, yeah. No, but honestly, like the criminal justice system, plea bargaining, it's kind of all built on that. We should get in a whole discussion.
Jason Mantzoukas
But you give it up for mackenzie. Great work. Thank you.
Paul Shear
All right, there's been a lot of energy over here, which means good question or utter destruction. Here we go.
Jason Mantzoukas
Let's see.
Paul Shear
Let's see.
Adam Pally
All right.
Host/Announcer
Hi.
Paul Shear
How are you?
Audience Member / Guest
My name's Greta. First of all, I listened to your episode In Dedication to Avril. On Tuesday, I was making pancakes in my kitchen for breakfast, and it made me cry. It was beautiful. So my. Yes. So my question is, we touched on it a little bit earlier during Gerard's tirade at the judge, during his bail hearing, he kind of punctuated that whole thing with, I bet you take it up the fucking ass, I believe were his words. And I would like to know, a, what's the problem with that? And B, why is this such an insult?
Paul Shear
I love this.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait, what was. What was the b. What was.
Paul Shear
Why is that an insult?
Adam Pally
Oh, 2009.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, 2009. This is 2009. This is before anal was normalized.
Adam Pally
Gay panic.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, because why would. Wouldn't it have been great if he was like, I bet you take it up the ass? And she was like, I do, but you're still out of order.
Adam Pally
And what's wrong with that? And what's wrong with that? I'm a jump. I could do whatever I want.
Jason Mantzoukas
Ring, ring, ring.
Audience Member / Guest
Uh.
Paul Shear
Oh, boo. How.
Jason Mantzoukas
How? My phone is blowing up.
Paul Shear
What's your name? What's your question?
Audience Member / Guest
My name is Jenny. And not really a question. Kind of like a second opinion for everybody.
Paul Shear
Sure.
Audience Member / Guest
When my husband and I watch a movie, I play a game where I pause it and I go, do you want to know what the ending is?
Paul Shear
Okay.
Audience Member / Guest
And he either tells me yes or no.
Adam Pally
Okay.
Audience Member / Guest
Last night, he. We both liked my ending a lot better.
Paul Shear
Okay, well. Oh, wait. So let's hear your ending now.
Audience Member / Guest
So here's what I thought was going to happen. I thought Gerard Butler was going to blow everybody up, kill everybody, and then frame Jamie Foxx.
Paul Shear
Me, too.
Jason Mantzoukas
Great.
Audience Member / Guest
And I thought that what was going to really happen was first I thought it was Leslie Bibb, and then right after I said this, she blew up. So not her.
Adam Pally
But you was Leslie Bibb.
Audience Member / Guest
Like, off the bat, like, yeah, I was like, no, I thought so.
Adam Pally
Like, off the jump.
Audience Member / Guest
So, no, no, wa. I thought Leslie Bibb was going to then take his job. Like, Gerard Butler was going to get him in jail, frame him, and then she was going to have to be like, we need somebody to pay for this and he's going to give us testimony. And you know, and with a murderer.
Paul Shear
You see. Now, I agree with this because why send the DVD to Jamie Foxx's house?
Jason Mantzoukas
I agree.
Paul Shear
Right. And it was like. And I thought, oh, they're going to find the DVD in his house, all the evidence.
Audience Member / Guest
Because they just had finished saying that he records everything. Da, da, da, da. And then they were in the judge's chamber right before she like, where, where she like. They said all this crazy shit and he got it all on tape and you know, he did. So it was like, oh, he's going to frame him now.
Paul Shear
I thought so too.
Host/Announcer
Well, there we go.
Paul Shear
You get hired.
Jason Mantzoukas
I like that. And also for those of you who are going to come next with questions, tell us the little games you and your spouse play.
Adam Pally
Yeah, all right.
Jason Mantzoukas
Tell us about those little games.
Adam Pally
I don't want to answer your question until you peek back the curtain into your own little life.
Jason Mantzoukas
We play a little game where I pause the movie.
Paul Shear
All right. Hi, what's your name and your question? Hey, I'm Dan. I'm actually in this movie.
Jason Mantzoukas
Whoa, whoa,
Adam Pally
whoa,
Paul Shear
whoa.
Adam Pally
Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan.
Jason Mantzoukas
Give it up for Dan, Dan,
Paul Shear
Dan taking the Morgan Crown. Morgan, I'm so sorry. Dan, what did you do in this movie? So it's not in any recognizable way because I was Colm Meaney's body double.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, wow, that's great. That's great.
Adam Pally
I'm so sorry I said all that.
Paul Shear
Dan is a very good looking man. He looks in great shape.
Adam Pally
He's obviously been taking care of yourself.
Jason Mantzoukas
For the listener. Dan does not look like he's. No, I don't want to see a
Paul Shear
picture of myself in 2009 either, you know, so. So there's a shot where they're first looking into the hole, like the cave. Yeah. And they're shining their flashlights. And it's my shoulder and my arm shining the flashlight. Wait, I love that.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's great.
Adam Pally
Nice.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's great.
Paul Shear
The better part of the story is those are not Gerard Butler's buns. Oh, wow.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait a second. Are they yours? No.
Paul Shear
Okay. No, but I was there when they shot the body double doing the buns thing.
Adam Pally
All right.
Paul Shear
What was the energy like on set? Anything that you saw that was interesting there?
Host/Announcer
Any tensions?
Paul Shear
Any. Yeah, what do you got? So, you know, they put the COVID on his. We're still in the butt on his junk.
Adam Pally
And, oh, this seems to be the
Jason Mantzoukas
scene you can Also speak generally to the experience of being on the movie.
Paul Shear
Yeah. So I have an excellent.
Adam Pally
This scene really stuck with Dan.
Paul Shear
I. I have an explanation for why he gets naked.
Adam Pally
Oh, thank. Yeah. That was the only part of the movie that made sense to me because.
Paul Shear
Because they tried to explain it in that part of the shoot that they were like, he gets naked so that the cops can see he's not armed. Oh. So they won't just immediately shoot him. Got it.
Host/Announcer
Okay.
Paul Shear
Well, I guess there's other ways to do it, but sure. Give it up for Dan.
Adam Pally
Dan. Great job. A tour de force.
Jason Mantzoukas
Thank you. Thank you, Danforth. Great work.
Paul Shear
I just. I just saw someone go. I was in it too. No, I'm gonna. All right, so. All right, here we go.
Host/Announcer
Hi. What's your name?
Paul Shear
Hi. My name's Will. Okay. And, Will, you were in this movie? Yes, I was in. I did Nine days on this as a prison guard. Oh, wow. Were you there for the Del Frisco stabbing scene? Yes, I was. And they had. Yeah, I was. It was originally gonna be a rack of lamb. I do remember that.
Adam Pally
Really? Talk about worrying about the wrong thing.
Paul Shear
The director liked the. The restaurant so much, they had their. They worked it into the script.
Adam Pally
Yeah, that's not hard to imagine.
Paul Shear
Yeah. They had the after party for the premiere at Del Frisco here in Philly.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait, there's Adele Frisco's here as well?
Paul Shear
Yes.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay.
Adam Pally
Is it open late?
Paul Shear
It's right down the block. So I'm in the hallway when they bring the mattress in, and I improv and I point my nightstick out, and because of that, I didn't get a line. When they put them in a cell, they took the line away from me because I wouldn't have been there. But it worked out. Cause if I did, I would have gone to Del Frisco's, and instead, I went to the Philly Film Fest party and I met my wife. Aw. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, that's amazing.
Paul Shear
Two kids, married 11 years, beautiful actress as well. And any bits that you guys do together, any.
Adam Pally
Any.
Jason Mantzoukas
Any little games you want to tell us about?
Adam Pally
Nicknames, we'll take.
Paul Shear
If you have been in this movie, you are going to get preferential treatment. You're in this movie? No. Okay.
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, Paul goes upstairs. I will say that I knew someone who worked at Del Frisco's in New York who said that. Who was like a server there and said that multiple times a year. Del Frisco's in New York. Big, like, five power lunch. Like alpha guys would Go there. And multiple times a year, some guy would choke on a steak, go to the bathroom, too embarrassed to ask for help or tell their friends, and they would find them dead in the bathroom. Proud men dying, choking on steak because they're too afraid to ask for help. Get it together, guys.
Paul Shear
I am in the balcony.
Jason Mantzoukas
Hey.
Paul Shear
Hello, balcony monsters. All right.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait, Paul.
Paul Shear
Yes.
Jason Mantzoukas
There's a bigger balcony.
Paul Shear
Oh, I know.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay. Wow.
Paul Shear
I'm gonna get up there, I think. Right. Come back down to you. Hi. What's your name? What's your question?
Audience Member / Guest
Hi, I'm Rachel. So Wikipedia said this movie was edited down from an NC17. It was already pretty bloody, so I'm curious.
Paul Shear
I know the answer to that. It's the stabbing in the jail cell, the rack of ribs scene. It was very bloody, but it was more bloody.
Jason Mantzoukas
But that's bloody enough to get an NC17.
Paul Shear
That's.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's insane.
Paul Shear
Well, then he took the thing and ate his dick in there, too.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay, okay.
Adam Pally
He kept cutting off everyone's dick.
Paul Shear
Let me come through this aisle.
Jason Mantzoukas
He used the guy's dick as a. As a weapon for the rest of the movie. They had to change it to a stakeholder.
Adam Pally
Well, what we didn't see was down in that tunnel, there was a bunch of dicks.
Jason Mantzoukas
Just so many. It was a dick tunnel.
Paul Shear
Hi. What do you got?
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, it's John and Paul.
Paul Shear
I love your book. Oh, thank you so much.
Host/Announcer
I appreciate you.
Jason Mantzoukas
Just really meaningful. But I just wanted to say, like,
Paul Shear
this movie is what would happen with Batman if he saw his wife and
Adam Pally
daughter raped and murdered.
Paul Shear
All right, well, don't. We don't get upset. That's what the premise of the movie is.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wait, why are we. That is. We've talked about that happening multiple times, and you guys just reacted like what I like.
Paul Shear
I like that this is the origin story of Batman.
Jason Mantzoukas
So, yeah, this is Phillies. Batman is Gerard Butler.
Paul Shear
Makes sense. Here, take a.
Adam Pally
We're running out of water in the bit Keef,
Paul Shear
by the way, that should be the shirt. Gerard Butler with a Batman cowl saying Philly's Batman.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes.
Adam Pally
Yeah, that's a pretty great.
Jason Mantzoukas
It's good until we get a cease and desist from dc, so buy them quick. They'll be collector's item victims.
Adam Pally
You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Paul Shear
I'm going up, but I have to
Adam Pally
announce here what I was gonna ask. What Paul goes up was the Jamie Foxx going everywhere as a lawyer. Did remind me of Tom Cruise going everywhere as a doctor. And Eyes Wide Shut. I feel like these movies could. That could be a similar universe, and
Jason Mantzoukas
they meet up on Collateral. That's that. Where do I know you from?
Adam Pally
It is crazy that this is the same actor from Collateral.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's why I kept thinking I was watching. I was like, this.
Adam Pally
That's Django Unchained.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, they're the same person.
Paul Shear
Like, I'm in the upper balcony. Wow. This is very high.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's, like, very high up here. Wow.
Adam Pally
Okay.
Paul Shear
Anybody in this level been in the movie? You were. All right.
Adam Pally
I love how the audience has now kind of come to grips with. A lot of people are gonna be in the movie. Like, it's losing. Losing its luster. All right.
Host/Announcer
Hi.
Paul Shear
How are you? Good.
Jason Mantzoukas
So it was technically in my car
Adam Pally
that was in the movie.
Paul Shear
Hey, that counts.
Jason Mantzoukas
That makes sense for the upper balcony. People down here were in the movie. People up there. My car was in the movie. In the aerial shot, you can see the roof of my house.
Paul Shear
So to be.
Adam Pally
To be fair, that's how he met his mechanic.
Paul Shear
What. What scene was your car in?
Jason Mantzoukas
It was in the parking lot of the prison.
Paul Shear
Oh, wow. Okay, so it was a featured car.
Jason Mantzoukas
What kind of car? So my.
Adam Pally
My ex's dad at the time was
Jason Mantzoukas
running a company where he was, like,
Adam Pally
renting out cars to movie sets, and he asked if I wanted my car to be in the new Jamie Foxx movie.
Paul Shear
So I was like, sure, why not? Yeah. And then when you found out it was a Gerard Butler movie too, you're like, well, then definitely. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
What kind of. What kind of car was.
Paul Shear
Was like a Dodge minivan. Pretty cool. If you're gonna get a minivan, they'll get a Chrysler Pacifica.
Adam Pally
I knew it was gonna be something memorable because to have someone call you and be like, hey, you know that weird piece of you drive around?
Jason Mantzoukas
I. I bet a prison guard would drive that.
Adam Pally
Can you park that by the prison?
Paul Shear
By the way, we haven't even talked about the robot shotgun EMF device.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, no, that's not a controlled. That's not a shotgun at all. It is like a.50 caliber minigun and a bazooka.
Paul Shear
And it was just sitting out in the cemetery. No one.
Adam Pally
No one noticed it.
Paul Shear
No one noticed it.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, it's rolling around like Johnny 5 out there. Yeah, I mean, I half expected. Did someone to say Johnny Five is alive.
Host/Announcer
Hi. What's her name?
Paul Shear
What's your question?
Audience Member / Guest
Hi, my name is Esme. I have a question about the murdered little girl.
Host/Announcer
Finally.
Jason Mantzoukas
Be cool. Be cool. Yeah, be cool.
Adam Pally
I like kids.
Jason Mantzoukas
She makes A bracelet for her dad and says Daddy.
Audience Member / Guest
And she makes a bracelet for her mom that says Heather. Why do you think that is?
Paul Shear
Wow.
Adam Pally
And you know what? That's one of another reason I wasn't super on Gerard's side at the beginning. I was like, this situationship seems weird.
Paul Shear
It's gonna take me about 10 minutes to get downstairs, guys, so keep it going.
Adam Pally
I was thinking if the person that operated the robot gunman was at the premiere of this movie and the, like, walking the robot gunman down the.
Jason Mantzoukas
It was Gerard Butler.
Adam Pally
Yeah. But, like, there was definitely a tech. A tech.
Paul Shear
Why was he. I guess I was gonna say, why is he wearing gloves? But I guess I understand, but the gloves look delicate to me.
Adam Pally
They did look delicate.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
They almost look like a woman. I was like, maybe that would be.
Jason Mantzoukas
He's wearing the gloves. Because you'd recognize Jerry's hands anywhere.
Adam Pally
A quick fact, Big sausage, whiskey pubs.
Paul Shear
All right, so here's some information about the sequel. In May 2022, it was announced standalone sequel was in development.
Jason Mantzoukas
The 2022?
Adam Pally
Yep.
Paul Shear
Wow.
Adam Pally
Okay. Must have had legs.
Paul Shear
Gerard Butler was going to serve as producer. Lucas Foster was going to return as his role as producer, and they were going to revisit these great characters, stating the premise seems even more relevant today than when the original film was released.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay, hang on, hang on. Wait. Are you saying. Did you just say Gerard Butler was going to be in it?
Paul Shear
Well, or.
Jason Mantzoukas
He was a producer. Okay.
Paul Shear
And then. And then he goes, the filmmaker stated, we're gonna blow your mind again. And then while the plot has not been revealed, they said that they see this film as a franchise. And then in 2025, Gerard Butler said, yeah, every now and again we go, oh, it's a TV show that's happening. No, it's a prequel. No, it's a sequel. BUTLER LAUGHS I don't know.
Jason Mantzoukas
I would love it.
Paul Shear
I don't know what's happening. It's a shame because I'm very proud of that movie. It's very good. End quote.
Jason Mantzoukas
I agree. Now, I would watch either a prequel. I mean, how they're gonna pull that off? I don't know.
Adam Pally
Prequel's the way to go.
Jason Mantzoukas
I would love a. I would love a prequel where he is like. Like a. That character engineer, a young kinetic engineer, like, blowing shit up. I don't know what. Or I would love even more if he somehow survives sitting on the napalm briefcase and he's, like, half burned up and he comes back two face style.
Paul Shear
I love this.
Jason Mantzoukas
You know, like A real. And does it again.
Adam Pally
I also hated when they opened that briefcase and that one cop goes, napalm. It's like, yeah, he don't know what the he's looking at.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, and what's in there is a
Adam Pally
bunch of gobbled wires and yellow liquid, like, green slime liquid. It's like napalm. I was like, oh, that. That's napalm.
Jason Mantzoukas
So well lit.
Paul Shear
I also thought he was able to really figure out that air down to the. The minutes when he put that guy underground. And I was like, that guy could have probably held out 15 more minutes.
Adam Pally
I think no one gave a shit. They must have really hated Bill because they were like, bill's dead. Like, yeah, but let's fuck with this guy more.
Jason Mantzoukas
And you're telling me they can move that briefcase bomb all the way to the prison without it blowing up? Like. But Jerry didn't set in, like, some sort of switch that's like, oh, if this gets moved, this gets picked up. Any. Any kinetic movement sets it off. Absolutely not.
Adam Pally
It's all potential.
Jason Mantzoukas
And I was rooting for it to blow everybody up.
Paul Shear
Oh. I wanted. They should have. Have both died.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yes. Oh, oh, you mean Jerry and Jamie Foxx. Yeah.
Adam Pally
Oh, that would have been great. Because, honestly, I want to see Regina go off and meet someone. Yeah.
Paul Shear
She needs to get out of that again. I wanted the daughter to blow up at the very end.
Adam Pally
Yeah. But Regina needed a new start in New York.
Jason Mantzoukas
Tell me this wouldn't have been great. Jerry blows up, cuts to Jamie Foxx in the auditorium with his daughter's recital.
Paul Shear
She's like, bam.
Adam Pally
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
The violin headshots are straight away, right?
Adam Pally
No.
Jason Mantzoukas
Okay, Philly. Interesting.
Paul Shear
Originally, Gerard Butler was supposed to play the Jamie Foxx role.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, interesting.
Paul Shear
And Jamie Foxx was supposed to play the Gerard Butler role. If you asked Gerard Butler, he said, I decided to switch parts. If you ask Jamie Foxx, he says, I decided to switch parts.
Jason Mantzoukas
I would have loved it if. If Gerard Butler played both roles and they were twin brothers, Prestige style.
Adam Pally
One has an accent, the other sort of has an accent.
Paul Shear
All right, obviously we have an opinion about this film, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.
Audience Member / Guest
Hi, my name is Win. Bum bum let's forget the law we don't need any order bump, bump bum
Paul Shear
but bring on the torture
Audience Member / Guest
Da da da da da da. So many gruesome deaths, unexplained prison beds. How did they not know that people would blow up in those cars? American accents are hard
Jason Mantzoukas
Bum bum.
Audience Member / Guest
How did this get made? I give it 5 star.
Adam Pally
Amazing.
Jason Mantzoukas
Great job. Law and Order theme song.
Paul Shear
Love it.
Adam Pally
Old school.
Jason Mantzoukas
Law and Order original Law and Order theme song.
Adam Pally
I didn't realize there was going to be a kill Tony portion of this show.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yep.
Paul Shear
Law Abiding Citizen has the average review of 4.7 out of 5 stars.
Adam Pally
Wow.
Jason Mantzoukas
I don't disagree.
Paul Shear
84% of the 5725 reviews are 5 star reviews. Carl Pierce in 2013 writes, Gerard Butler is in quotes the man. What he had to do just to dig that tunnel equipped with anything and everything. Completely, completely lit up rail car to haul all that dirt. So here's the question. What happened with all that dirt?
Adam Pally
Holy.
Paul Shear
That's.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's awesome.
Paul Shear
Five stars.
Adam Pally
Five stars.
Jason Mantzoukas
That's it right there people. I love when you, you. I love when you read one which is like what is. What does this person care about the dirt?
Paul Shear
Wow. The dirt as he an underground.
Jason Mantzoukas
What happened that. That. I mean I'm sure he has a little game with his wife where he says where do you think all that dirt went?
Adam Pally
But he still gave it five star. He loved it.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh yeah. Loved it. She's like, I bet he put it in in a dump. And he says, I bet he put it at the beach. And then we fuck.
Adam Pally
I like this movie, babe. It's no Shawshank. You saw what happened with the dirt and Shawshank.
Paul Shear
Rap R does not give this 5 stars but 10. How is that allowed? I don't know, but the title of the review is 10 stars finally. And it starts off like this. A good movie for once.
Adam Pally
Oh my God.
Paul Shear
After renting and watching this movie Saturday night, not an hour later, I bought it.
Adam Pally
Who wrote that? The guy from January 6th in the
Jason Mantzoukas
Buffalo hat that I. Oh, oh.
Paul Shear
The.
Jason Mantzoukas
The QAnon Shaman.
Paul Shear
Yeah. This is one of my favorite movies now. The acting, amazing. The story, amazing. I can't stop thinking about it or stop telling people about it. Come Monday morning, I had five people I told to watch this movie by Sunday night and every one of them agreed. This movie kicks and then it's all written. So he doesn't want to be vulgar ass, but he wrote it in an exclamation point and dollar sense. I agree with some of the reviewers that the ending could have been better, but it had to come to an end.
Adam Pally
That review feels like it was written by Chris Christie.
Paul Shear
This is a must own movie for movie fanatics like me. It's a mix of seven and maybe death sentence with a little Silence of the lambs maybe. Amazing. 5 star movie. No 10 stars. Unrated edition only available on Blu Ray. Fuck you. Trying to force Blu Ray discs on us for extra stuff is criminal. Screw Blu Ray.
Jason Mantzoukas
And that's all in caps. And that's from President Donald Trump on Truth Social. I would believe it if Trump tried to appoint Jamie Foxx's character Attorney General of the United States. The character.
Adam Pally
Someone get the Bible.
Paul Shear
He's got a 95% conviction rate. Mary Ann Greenlee writes, this film was riveting and it shows just how the justice system in this country really is quote, unquote unfair and quote unquote manipulative. And what the character that Gerard Butler played so brilliantly is necessary for the rest of us to see. Another example of how one man can make a difference. He changed Jamie Foxx's character totally around and made him into a new and better man. I love this movie so much that the instant I saw it, I had to own it. I can watch it anytime that I want and I enjoy it every time. Great acting. Super exciting. Kudos and accolades to whomever created this movie. This film is one of my very favorites. And reaches in and touches that part of me that knows that existing way that the court system is today is not justice at all. And we get to experience and get that given the opportunity and experience of what Gerard's character had to go through, we would do the exact same thing to make the criminals of the world see that there are a whole lot of people out here that if we had the chance and the skills, would see that the criminals need to suffer the same way that their victims suffer. The criminals of this magnitude never get to suffer the same way that their victims suffer. Suffer at their vile and sick ways. And in this film, we get to vicariously get to have our revenge button satisfied. Great way to avenge a wrongdoing. Five stars. Title. Justice at its finest.
Jason Mantzoukas
Holy shit. That. That is an audition monologue.
Paul Shear
A couple of things that don't make sense in this movie. The neurotoxin would have made Darby collapse and he would not be able to hold himself upright. The graveyard murder robot would have also knocked out the radios if it was an EMP device.
Adam Pally
Yeah, that was the problem with the robot.
Paul Shear
Clyde should have had scars when he stripped down naked from being stabbed in the belly.
Adam Pally
That's true.
Paul Shear
It says pre trial suspects are held in county jail, not prison and not max security. No corrections officer would give a lawyer a key to an inmate's cell
Jason Mantzoukas
or let a waiter in the prison well,
Paul Shear
that goes to this one.
Adam Pally
Here's a spork.
Paul Shear
Prison guards would never allow a stake bone to enter a jail cell.
Jason Mantzoukas
Stake bone?
Adam Pally
They gave him a spork.
Paul Shear
Pennsylvania correctional officers wear gray and black uniforms, not white. The district attorney is an elected county official. The mayor has no jurisdiction over the position nor the authority to appoint one or make decisions regarding the office. Pennsylvania does not have wardens and confessions must be given. Voluntary trading goods for confession is bribery. That's a couple of inconsistencies.
Jason Mantzoukas
Wow. Incredible.
Paul Shear
And I will say, but you know what, what is this movie really about? Well, we asked one person who didn't see it to explain it.
Audience Member / Guest
Oh, you guys didn't know what law Abiding Citizen with Jamie Foxx, two exes and Jerry Butler is about? Okay, that's weird. It's a wonderful motion picture. Of course I haven't seen it, but I will speak on it. It's about two dear friends who set off on a buddy road trip together from New York City to la. And they, one of them is a businessman, a regular nine to fiver living that corporate life, just clocking in but also fading away, losing his life force. Not a lot going on behind the eyes anymore. And that's Jamie Foxx. On the other hand we have Jerry Butler, his old friend from college. And they're off to, they're off to California to see someone's passed away, I think that they knew. And so they're going, they're going to serious circumstances. The faa, you know, cutting back, air traffic control. They gotta drive. Okay, don't, don't worry about why. And, and when they set off on this trip. What we come to find out is that Jerry Butler is actually in quite a bit of trouble. Many gambling debts and he's got a lot of people after him. And Jamie Foxx is the law abiding citizen and doesn't want anything to do with this. He is straight laced as they come. Of course there's a giant scene that happens when they get to Vegas, but I'm not going to reveal that. I want you guys to just enjoy the film. But yeah, it's so much fun. And they go to honor their dear friend, their fraternity brother who's passed from a terrible disease, you know, and they're trying to deal with that too and how precious this life is. And so is this the time for Jamie to kind of let his hair down and is this a time for Jerry to grow up? Well, we're gonna find that out in Law Abiding Citizen.
Adam Pally
There it Is accurate.
Paul Shear
Pretty close. Pretty close.
Jason Mantzoukas
By the way, I would love to watch that movie.
Paul Shear
I love it.
Adam Pally
It's a good movie.
Jason Mantzoukas
I mean, that movie sounds dynamite.
Paul Shear
Would you recommend it, Jason?
Jason Mantzoukas
Hell, yeah. I didn't press pause once. I was just enjoying. I was letting it wash over me like a cool Scottish breeze. Yeah, I had a blast. I thought it was fun as hell.
Adam Pally
Yeah. As a joke.
Paul Shear
Okay. I was. I was on the. The regional train from New York today coming up here. It was packed and I was.
Jason Mantzoukas
I was on the Acela.
Paul Shear
I missed. I missed my drove. And as I sat next to a gentleman who sat next to me, he looked over and goes, good flick. And I said, sir, come to the Miller Theater tonight. He's like, Nope, I'm taking 10 more stops to Baltimore. I like this movie. I like it. I think it could have been better. And I feel like that is really the big thing is like, this was a movie that was supposed to be directed by Frank Darabont. He walked off the film because they changed too much of the plot.
Jason Mantzoukas
So it was like, what could do you have what they changed? Was there any couple of the details? Okay.
Adam Pally
Well, they definitely made the lawyer likable.
Paul Shear
Yeah. I do think that that's like some of the stuff here. Yeah.
Adam Pally
It was probably all a lot of like, the notes when they switched characters that each actor wanted.
Paul Shear
Right. I think that that, like. Wait, hold on. I had a thing here and I.
Jason Mantzoukas
I'm curious because I agree. It's so close to a good movie.
Adam Pally
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
It has all of the pieces and parts in including. And I wouldn't be surprised if there was a fantastic script originally that got Frank Darabont, that got all these actors, because again, it's a murderer's row of actors who were like, yes, put me in. I love it.
Paul Shear
All right, so this is what I was looking for. I'm sorry, it took me a second here. The law abiding citizen went through several versions before F. Gary Gray decided on the overall hated ending. There were rumors that Jamie Foxx demanded a new ending where his character kills Clyde to save the people of city hall. In one version, Nick and Clyde fought in hand to hand combat, leading Nick to be arrested.
Adam Pally
His name was Nick.
Paul Shear
Yeah, yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, oh, yes. And Jerry's name is Clyde.
Paul Shear
So then Nick was gonna be arrested. And this goes to our friend's point here. Then he makes a deal with the district attorney to become the new Clyde.
Adam Pally
So now he's Batman.
Paul Shear
I guess so.
Adam Pally
And who is Leslie Bibb?
Paul Shear
Well, it was supposed to be Catherine Zeta. It was supposed to be Catherine Zeta Jones.
Adam Pally
No way.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas
Well, I mean, would she have had a better storyline? Like, the character is underserved by the script in every way, shape and form.
Paul Shear
Yeah, you know, I guess they're right. And if you are to follow the coordinates from the film. Oh, yeah. You will be led to the hotel that the cast and crew stayed in in Philadelphia, and you will also find many people buried alive there.
Adam Pally
You know, I was supposed to play Chester.
Jason Mantzoukas
You shot that scene.
Adam Pally
I shot my one scene.
Jason Mantzoukas
And it was just you emailing him,
Adam Pally
and I went for it.
Paul Shear
You were eating Mac and cheese with one hand type, which is.
Jason Mantzoukas
Which is, I believe, Hugh Jackman in sort of fish.
Adam Pally
Yes,
Paul Shear
pal, you have an amazing podcast that I feel like I've talked to so many people that have said it's helped them. Jason and I have been guests on it. But, yes, you were talking about men's health in a way that I feel like people don't actually ever talk about, like, men's health.
Adam Pally
Oh, thanks.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, Men's Health. Specifically, Men's Health magazine.
Adam Pally
Men's Health magazine. It's all. It's a podcast about men's health.
Jason Mantzoukas
Every episode of the podcast covers another issue of the magazine.
Adam Pally
Five of the episodes we've recorded about Kumail.
Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah,
Adam Pally
no, it's. It's a pot. It's like a podcast about health for people who, like, done by before pictures.
Paul Shear
Right.
Adam Pally
You know, like, usually health podcasts are done by after pictures, but I am a before picture. My co host, John Gabriel's a before picture. So it's. It's like, done. Done by people who can't get it together.
Jason Mantzoukas
And you guys are talking to people like us, but you're also talking to doctors you're talking to. Like, you're genuinely pursuing and investigating and interrogating how we are taking care of ourselves. Or not exactly.
Paul Shear
Yeah.
Adam Pally
And what steps we're doing to just, like, prolong our lives. Because I think everybody, even. Even people who are not are doing something daily to keep themselves alive.
Paul Shear
And it's called Staying Alive. There it is, right by.
Adam Pally
Oh, yeah, look at that.
Paul Shear
And.
Adam Pally
But I also. I do have to just. Contractually, I've been told I have to do this anytime. The Smartless logo is up there if you're looking for a new mobile carrier. Sorry, I have to do this.
Paul Shear
Smartless Mobile. You are on Smart Mobile.
Adam Pally
I am on smartness. More my mom.
Paul Shear
Every time I call. Every time I call Pally, I have to hear Will Arnett. I hear, like, he picked up.
Adam Pally
He does my message. You call me, he picks up.
Paul Shear
Hey, Adam Pally, phone. I want to also just talk about your HBO special, which is fantastic. Again, it's available.
Adam Pally
Yes. Now. And it's on HBO Max and Go.
Paul Shear
And what is that called?
Adam Pally
I'm sorry, we called HBO Max Go.
Host/Announcer
Yes.
Adam Pally
No, my. My special is called An Intimate Evening with Adam Pally. It's on hbo. You could. You could stream it tonight or anytime.
Paul Shear
It's fantastic. We talked a lot about this on our Last looks at episode.
Host/Announcer
We love it.
Paul Shear
It's great. There it is right there. Oh, cool.
Adam Pally
Thank you, guys. Thank you so much for doing that. So nice of you guys.
Paul Shear
Jason.
Jason Mantzoukas
All right, let's go. A Man on the inside, season two. Yes, I'm in it. Percy Jackson, season two. Yes, I'M in it. And not for nothing, Taskmaster season 19. Every episode of available on YouTube. Watch it. Comment. USA. USA.
Paul Shear
I want to plug really quickly. Every week, Rob Huebel and I go into the dark web on YouTube. And also my book, Joyful Recollections of Trauma. It's still available and you can listen to it. You can read it as a softback and it has extra pages. But if you want it signed, you could just order from my website and we go through a local independent bookstore. You get a signed copy. Thank you, everybody for coming out tonight. We're giving you a chance to take pictures right now.
Jason Mantzoukas
Great work, Philly. Great work. You all are fantastic.
Paul Shear
We love you. Thank you for coming. We know there are a million places to spend your money. We appreciate that you spent it on us tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You are amazing. Thank you for listening. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Bye. Bye.
Jason Mantzoukas
Eat shit, Philly.
Paul Shear
That is a wrap. If you have a correction or omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail
Host/Announcer
at 619PaulA S K or write a comment on our Discord at Discord GG
Paul Shear
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Host/Announcer
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Paul Shear
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Host(s): Paul Scheer, Jason Mantzoukas
Guest: Adam Pally
Venue: Miller Theater, Philadelphia
Date: March 13, 2026
This live episode features the HDTGM crew with special guest Adam Pally, recorded in Philadelphia, breaking down the 2009 Gerard Butler/Jamie Foxx revenge thriller Law Abiding Citizen. The comedians explore the film’s illogical plot, wild violence, questionable police and legal procedures, and Gerard Butler’s odd charisma. Philly locals who worked on the film share stories, legal professionals weigh in, and audience Q&A serves up as many laughs as the hosts. It’s a spirited roasting of a movie the internet loves – for reasons the HDTGM team can’t quite fathom.
The group agrees Law Abiding Citizen is a classic of “so-bad-it’s-good” cinema: ambitious in scope, shockingly illogical at every turn, and ultimately dominated by Gerard Butler’s wild energy and strange charisma, with Foxx and the rest playing catch-up.
They revel in the film’s place in HDTGM lore—stacking up with other Butler “church of Jerry” gems. Closing out, they highlight Philly’s odd claim to this film, the fan fervor, and that signature feeling: “We watch these bad movies so you don’t have to!”
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For full details, laughs, and to hear Philly’s voice (and a lot of steak-based trivia), check out the episode!