My Boyfriend's Back LIVE!

Summary

How Did This Get Made? – “My Boyfriend’s Back” LIVE! (Largo Halloween Special)

Podcast: How Did This Get Made?
Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
Episode: My Boyfriend's Back LIVE!
Date: November 14, 2025
Recorded at: Largo, Los Angeles

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Episode Overview

This live Halloween edition of "How Did This Get Made?" features Paul, June, and Jason sinking their teeth (and plenty of digressions) into the 1993 horror-comedy "My Boyfriend’s Back." The trio gleefully dissects the film’s absurdities, zany performances (shoutout to young Philip Seymour Hoffman), and baffling story choices — with plenty of personal childhood anecdotes, meta-commentary on 80s/90s teen movies, and a running “tickle my paws” joke. The episode is as much a nostalgic look at, and longing for, a gone era of teen comedy filmmaking as it is a roast of a so-bad-it’s-good cult gem.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction, Movie Background & Initial Reactions

[02:25 – 07:20]

• Live Halloween energy: The show opens with the hosts bantering with the live audience at Largo and riffing on Bob Balaban’s unlikely directorial credit (more known for “Gosford Park” and as Phoebe’s dad from Friends), which immediately sets the tone of affectionate mockery.
• Film basics: “My Boyfriend’s Back” is introduced—a zombie rom-com about a teenage boy who dies (sort of for his dream girl) and returns from the grave to win her affection.
• Host recommendations:
  • Jason: "I 100% recommend this movie... This today was like a warm bath. I loved it." [04:39]
  • Paul: "I'll answer the last question first as well. I also recommend it. I don't know if I liked it." [05:03]
  • June: (Tentatively) “I'm happy to talk about it.” [06:53]
• The movie’s tone and place in genre:
  • Described as a lost “Teen Wolf”-like vehicle, swapping werewolf puberty metaphors for zombie-ism.

The Era & ZomCom Context

[08:09 – 10:21]

• Year guessing game:
  • Jason: "1987"
  • June: "1988"
  • Paul reveals: "1993. 1993." [09:05]
• Zombie boom in film: Paul, "This year, 1993, was Peak Zomcom time." [09:23]
• Teen movie contrasts: Jason, "How is there not teen movies now that aren't about, like, oh, no. Twin brothers, both want to fuck me...” [07:14]

Movie Structure & The “Creep” Factor

[25:22 – 28:41]

• Misleading title: Paul, “The title is a little bit misleading... he is not her boyfriend, I would say...he is a straight up creepo.” [25:51]
• Staged robbery script hole: June and Paul discuss how Johnny’s “romantic” gesture is actually disturbing (he stages a robbery to impress her, gets himself killed), and how the film never addresses this for the female lead.
• Classic 80s/90s trope:
  June: “I miss the days in which teenagers were 37.” [27:49]
  Jason: "The old teens." [28:05]
• Comic book transitions:
  Paul, “Why is this movie told in the style of a comic book? ... It's like we couldn't afford to shoot it.” [29:04]

Favorite Performances & Character Standouts

[32:11 – 37:09]

• Philip Seymour Hoffman’s breakout:
  • Jason: "Immediately he is just acting everybody off the screen." [33:24]
  • June: “I have to say, he explodes on this incredible.” [32:29]
• Bob Balaban’s direction:
  Jason: “Everybody. Every adult in the movie is a Balaban level character actor... Cloris Leachman... Mary Beth Hurt.” [34:42]
• Tone described as:
  Paul: "This movie feels to me like a John Waters version of Teen Wolf." [35:15]
• Dead-pan normalization of the zombie twist:
  Jason: "I loved that nobody questioned it beyond, 'Wait a minute, didn’t you die?' ...It just [keeps] going." [36:31]

Story & Structural Gripes

[38:13 – 41:41]

• Unnecessary plot knots: Paul, “I guess what I was getting frustrated by was like the over complication of things where... no, no, it's simple, it's easy.” [38:13]
• Heaven sequence confusion:
  Paul: “Even the end. I rewound it three times. When he goes to heaven... I'm lost here, I'm allowed.” [38:45] Jason: “You're applying too rigorous a logic to this.” [39:10]
• Lack of meaningful metaphor:
  Paul, “What is this a metaphor for?” [48:37]

Zombie Logic, Effects & 90s Aesthetic

[45:05 – 48:37]

• Decay vs. reality:
  June: “The one logic issue I had, the one, was that he would have started to smell very badly.” [44:58]
• Comedic decomposing bits:
  Jason: “When she bites his ear and it falls off in her mouth—great. I was like, finally, this movie has arrived.” [45:10]
• Zombie rules reexamined:
  Jason: "My understanding of zombies, though, is that they like brains, not bellies." [47:12]

What Worked, What Didn’t & Metacommentary on Comedy

[75:16 – 77:31]

• Yearning for the zany teen comedy era:
  June: “Why does comedy have to be so real now?” [77:08]
  Paul: “Dramedy has killed comedy.” [77:13]
• Missing the ‘hero’s journey’: Jason: “It’s not much of a hero’s journey. I agree.” [75:54] Paul: “He realizes nothing, he gains nothing. When he goes back and asks her out, he’s still asking her out with like, he saved her life... you need to have something more to build a relationship on.” [75:13]
• Affection despite flaws:
  • June: “All that's true, but it's so much fun... I'm craving this kind of dark, dumb... everybody knows what the game is and we're all just like continuing to build it out. I really miss these movies and I really enjoyed it.” [76:44]
  • Jason: “Wholeheartedly. This movie is a home run for me.” [76:44]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jason Mantzoukas [04:39]: "I 100% recommend this movie... This today was like a warm bath. I loved it."
• June Diane Raphael [07:14]: "I just like a strong comedic premise where everybody knows what world they're in... the jokes never got old to me."
• Paul Scheer [25:51]: "He is a straight up creepo."
• Jason Mantzoukas [50:08]: "You really have to decide to be on this movie’s wavelength."
• June Diane Raphael [76:44]: "It's so much fun... I'm craving this kind of dark, dumb... everybody's committed, everybody's on the same page... I really miss these movies."
• Jason Mantzoukas [77:08]: "Why does comedy have to be so real now?"
• Paul Scheer [75:13]: "He realizes nothing, he gains nothing."
• Running bit: “Tickle my paws” — stemming from Paul’s childhood misinterpretation of a line in “Teen Wolf,” now recurring as the episode’s goofy call-and-response and T-shirt slogan candidate.
• Audience Q&A [52:41]: Jason: “I think she wants to fuck him till his dick falls off. I think she wants to—I do. I think she's like, ... Since he died? He's smoking.”

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Audience Q&A Highlights

[51:55 – 61:02]

• Is the girl fetishizing Johnny’s “otherness” as a zombie?
  • Jason: “I think she wants to fuck him till his dick falls off.” [52:34]
• Dog-related running gag:
  June: "It's leading to what we. . . what ends up happening, which is the dog takes the, you know, the body and pulls it from the fridge." [58:06]
• Discussion about female agency & old teen movie tropes
  • June: “I wanted him to let go of her as an idea and a concept and find ... like when I saw him sitting next to that girl and staring at her arms in the library, I thought, well, who’s she?” [59:25]
• Confusion over timeline and character fates at the end
  Lengthy audience-driven debate about whether certain characters (especially Philip Seymour Hoffman’s) are “reset” at the ending, demonstrating the film's convoluted logic.

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Wildest Revelation (BRACE YOURSELF)

[62:36 – 65:03]

• Paul delivers a jaw-dropping real-life epilogue:
  "What happened to the lead actress in this movie, Tracy Lind. . . In 1997, [she] went public with accusations of physical abuse regarding her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed… Two weeks later, Dodi died in a car accident with his new partner, Princess Diana." [62:41–63:34]
• Jason and June are left breathless:
  June: “Honestly, I didn’t brace myself enough with all that.” [63:34]
  Jason: “Show’s over. Tickle my paws. How do you come back from wow?” [64:00]

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Meta-Jokes, Merchandise & Running Gags

[Throughout]

• “Tickle My Paws” becomes a meta-joke, referencing Paul’s adolescent misunderstanding of a sexual line in “Teen Wolf.” It is suggested as a possible show T-shirt, as is “Brian Orlando Electronics” (the name of a classmate with a mythical nudity-revealing remote control gadget).
• Male nostalgia: Frequent ribbing about 80s/90s boys’ desperation to see nudity and the lengths they’d go (“the things we had to do to see a boob!”).
• Absurd reviews & audience songs:
  • “Second Opinions” features a listener’s parody folk song recapping the movie, and Paul reads wild Amazon reviews comparing the film to “Night of the Living Dead” and even critiquing its blasphemy.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Live show intro/Bob Balaban/film setup: [02:25 – 04:32]
• Initial reactions & comedy tone: [04:39 – 07:14]
• "Creep" hero & title analysis: [25:22 – 28:41]
• Philip Seymour Hoffman/character performances: [32:11 – 37:09]
• Zombie logic, decay, effects: [45:05 – 48:37]
• Metaphor & theme analysis: [48:37 – 49:03]
• Audience Q&A (fetishizing undead, logic holes): [51:55 – 61:02]
• Brace Yourself: Real-life actress bombshell: [62:36 – 65:03]
• Second Opinions (listener song, Amazon reviews): [68:37 – 75:13]
• Final verdicts & the agony of missing old-school comedy: [75:13 – 78:22]

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Episode Verdict

Jason: "Home run for me...this is a blast."
June: "So much fun...I’m craving this kind of dark, dumb...I really miss these movies and I really enjoyed it."
Paul: "While I had criticisms, I enjoyed the movie and I enjoyed what it did."
Consensus: Despite major storytelling flaws and a deeply weird romantic lead, all three hosts agree that “My Boyfriend’s Back” is an energetic, singular comedy-product of its time that’s impossible not to enjoy in a certain nostalgic, zanily critical state of mind.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Watched

• Expect a joyous roast-cum-celebration of oddball 90s teen comedy, replete with tangents about growing up, the male gaze in cinema, and the lost art of high-concept adolescent farce.
• Even if you skip the actual movie, this episode is a showcase of the trio’s irresistible chemistry and the carnival of their collective pop culture memory (and mis-memory).
• Beware: You’ll never hear “My Boyfriend’s Back” (the song—or the phrase) the same way again.

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“You really have to decide to be on this movie’s wavelength.” – Jason Mantzoukas [50:08]

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Transcript

[Paul Scheer]

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[Doug Benson]

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[June Diane Raphael]

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[Doug Benson]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hello people of Earth. Hello people of Los Angeles.

[Paul Scheer]

We are live at Largo Fort for our Halloween special, the hauntingly scary My Boyfriend's Back. My Boyfriend's Back Directed by the same person who wrote Gosford Park. That's right, Bob Balaban. Bob Balaban, Phoebe's dad from Friends. Bob Balaban, the man who played Warren Littlefield on Seinfeld. Bob Balaban made this movie and boy oh boy, I think it saves it. I think that in other people's hands it would have been worse. But it's also not great now, if you're wondering what is my boyfriend's back. What? Somebody's boyfriend comes back? Well, no. IMDb describes this film as A teenage boy comes back from the dead because he is determined to win the most beautiful girl in the school. Okay, sure. I guess that's kind of like, you know, you're kind of burying some parts of the story in there. Whitewashing it, if you will. We're gonna get into it. We're gonna get into this film that is not even an hour and 30 minutes. A movie that has a 13% on the Tomatometer. A movie that cost 12 million and on opening weekend made 1.4. Oh, yes. There is so much to discuss in tonight's film, but I need my co host. So please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Mantzoukas.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's up, jerks? Let's go Largo.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, boy. Paul, I'm gonna answer your last question first. I 100% recommend this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

There it is. There. Maybe.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Maybe it's just the harsh reality of John Carpenter's the Ghosts of Mars.

[Paul Scheer]

Last night, sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This today was like a warm bath. I loved it.

[Paul Scheer]

Here's the thing. I'll answer the last question first as well. I also recommend it. I don't know if I liked it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I thought it was great. I had that thing happen that every once in a while happens with the movies that we do, which is. I found myself not taking notes, just enjoying the movie every now and then. Every now and then I get sucked in and I'm like, Austin Pendleton. Okay. And then I look and I haven't made a Note in like 10 minutes.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I felt the same way. I feel the same way. I feel like if I was watching a child. Do you know a play at school? What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are you watching a child do a play at school? Okay, I have children.

[Paul Scheer]

I am not going and watching other people have children.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Please let me meet them.

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will say someday I'm going to meet your kids and someday I'm going to meet your wife.

[Paul Scheer]

No, neither. Neither. Jason, you are better at this than most. What year do you think this movie came out?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Boy, oh boy. I'm going to say this movie came out in 1987. Great.

[Paul Scheer]

Great. Guess we'll hold the answer on that for just a second.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

God, I fucked up with this last night too.

[Paul Scheer]

And let me introduce to you my other co host. Please welcome to the stage Miss June Diane Raphio.

[June Diane Raphael]

Nice to meet you.

[Paul Scheer]

Welcome, June. How are you?

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm okay. How are you? Paul?

[Paul Scheer]

I'm well, I'm. Well, June. Well, because we started the episode answering the last question first. Recommend this movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know why we're doing this. I'm happy to talk about it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What are we gonna do next? Teen Wolf.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. It doesn't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Another freaking classic.

[Paul Scheer]

Great movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why didn't I see this movie sooner? Where has it been?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My life would be so much different if I'd seen this movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

And why are. Honestly, why aren't we making movies like this?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How is there not teen movies now that aren't about, like, oh, no. Twin brothers, Both want to fuck me. Or whatever all of these teen shows are. There's multiple teen shows in which brothers are battling it out.

[Paul Scheer]

All I'm saying is, if this was the final season of Euphoria, I'd be thrilled.

[June Diane Raphael]

I just like a strong comedic premise where everybody knows what world they're in. And the joke. I gotta say, now, maybe I'm in a weird mental space, you know, But I have to say, the jokes never got old to me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Every time someone said, every time you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wanted to take a bite out of someone, I was like, yes.

[Paul Scheer]

I got some. I have some. Some small notes. But before we even get into that, June, I want to ask you this question. I know you hate being put on the spot, but what year do you think this movie came out?

[June Diane Raphael]

This movie came. Well. I'm just gonna base this on Philip Seymour Hoffman's career. And I believe there's also. There's a cameo from Matthew McConaughey.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He has two lines in the movie.

[Paul Scheer]

Also cut out Renee Zellweger. She's in the beauty salon scene. No lines.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My guess is this movie shot in Texas.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, that makes sense, because those are all local hires.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. June, what year?

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, so putting that together, carry the one. I'm gonna say this movie came out in 1988.

[Paul Scheer]

Great. All right, Jason, you said.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I believe. I said 87.

[Paul Scheer]

And the year is. No. 1993. 1993.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How.

[Paul Scheer]

1993. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was shot in 1987. Here's the thing, Jason.

[June Diane Raphael]

What? I'm really. I'm actually worried. I'm worried because I do believe you and I have lost a decade of our lives.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I believe we may suffer from time blindness.

[Paul Scheer]

I will say that this. This year, 1993, was Peak Zomcom time. Because these are the other movies in 93 that came out. Zombie Bloodbath, Weekend at Bernie's 2, Return of the Living Dead 3. Ghost Brigade, Ed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ghost Brigade.

[Paul Scheer]

I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ed and his Dead mother zombie movie called Ghost Brigade.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I guess maybe they run into zombies.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So curious. I'm like, we gotta do Ghost Brigade.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm ready for it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think that's clear.

[Paul Scheer]

So, yeah, different. It different. It definitely hit differently in 1993. I mean, I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, I'm sure we don't know, but some nerd will tell me. What year did Teen Wolf come out?

[Paul Scheer]

Teen Wolf came out the year before Back to the Future because he shot that first. So Back to the future is 85.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

40Th anniversary.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This movie seems like it's basically Teen Wolf, but with. What if instead of the puberty allegory being werewolf ism, it is zombie ism, right?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's still a lot of the same games are being played. Everybody's normalizing Zombie immediately.

[Paul Scheer]

But I also feel like Teen Wolf, I mean, dare I say a better film, a movie that I also.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He said it. I can't believe he said it. I mean, can't believe he said it's a Teen Wolf was a better film.

[Paul Scheer]

Pretty good. I will say that. Well, I mean, this is going to be weird. And you're knock. Why? Well, what do I have to hide?

[June Diane Raphael]

Say it.

[Paul Scheer]

When I watched Teen Wolf as a child, I had it on VHS because I taped it off of whatever, you know, it was illegal. I wasn't doing it illegally. And there was a moment where he was, like, getting intimate with his girlfriend, Michael J. Fox. And. And he said, tickle my paws. Like, and was like. That was like a thing. Like, tickle my paws. Like, he's like, you know, sexual thing. But I thought that was a cue to the home viewing audience to hit pause to potentially see some nudity.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You thought that up yourself. You invented. So you thought that maybe movies were giving you subtle clues. Had this worked before?

[Paul Scheer]

So in my mind. In my mind, I never heard the line so clearly. I never heard tickle my paws. I just kind of heard, like. In my mind, I might have heard, like, hit pause. And I was like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I thought I was immediately went to. If I hit it, I get to see nudity.

[Paul Scheer]

Because I knew it was like a sexy scene and I was like, ooh, maybe they would shoot like an insert. Holy shit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's awesome.

[Paul Scheer]

I've never shared that with anyone, but it's the only thing that comes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But it's. It's that. Did you want to announce the next book? I know, it's like.

[June Diane Raphael]

So you thought, like, were you always looking for your lead actors and protagonists to speak to you, the. The viewer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I understand. I completely understand the overwhelming desire to see nudity.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And that you're looking for any way that it might be able to happen. That's why you would watch a scrambled cable channel.

[Paul Scheer]

100% just for every play with that dial.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Exactly. Every 10 minutes, you get 30 seconds of a boob or something. But, but, but that. Thinking that the movie was telling you, hip pause.

[Paul Scheer]

Hip pause. It was.

[June Diane Raphael]

And did you. Well, obviously. I mean, did you see anything? Was it speaking?

[Paul Scheer]

No, because I thought it wasn't hitting it at the right time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How long did you spend?

[Paul Scheer]

A lot. I would be like, maybe no, no. And then. And then, many years later, I found that the line was tickle my paws. I was like, ah. He wasn't saying, please hit pause.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, this is.

[Paul Scheer]

I'll tell you two things of why I thought that could work. One, number one, first piece of evidence, when I was a child, there was a Clue VHS game, okay? So you would put the. The VHS tape in there, and you would play the board game. And they're like, fast forward to minute two, seven, seven. And you're like, that's not a thing that could exist. 2, 4, 7. And I'd do it, and you'd watch something like, oh, good job there, mate. You did the thing and you're like, oh, great. So I thought, okay, maybe all vhs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, who's.

[Paul Scheer]

Who's Colonel Mustard?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who's the Darby of this game?

[Paul Scheer]

Like Jumanji. So I thought there was like, you.

[June Diane Raphael]

Know, I was like, you had been primed to. Yeah, right? And then to be an interactive viewer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

From a Clue VHS video game. This is a movie he taped himself off of cable.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you other.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're trying too hard to get this, okay? To normalize this behavior.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm gonna give you the two other things. The other thing was that my. My parents were, at a certain point, born again Christians. And they were like, there's a lot of backward masking on albums. Like, you know, so, you know, you. You play it backwards, like, salute the devil. You know, not salute, but, you know, you get it.

[Doug Benson]

Because.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because he's the commander in chief, so you gotta.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, hail, oh, hail the devil.

[Kelsey]

Oh.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hail the devil's song in reverse plays Hail to the Chief and has the lyrics Salute the devil. Holy cow. Holy shit. How are these new stories? How is it possible there are new stories?

[Paul Scheer]

So then.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here'S what I. My promise to you, the audience, we won't stop this Podcast until Paul runs out of childhood stories. It's not movies. It's not even our desire to do it anymore. It's so that we can get these stories to you, so that we can do things that provoke Paul's memory.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that was what a lot of people said about my book. They're like, wow, you didn't even share the stories that you share in the podcast. We thought it would just be the stories from the podcast. But no, I forgot those. I'm telling new ones. And then the final thing that made me think that there could be this. Wait, what? There's a kid in my class, I believe his name was Brian Orlando. And Brian Orlando told me that his dad had a device that was like a remote control. So if you were watching, like a shampoo commercial with an attractive woman in it, you could take the device and then put the joystick down and then see naked people in the commercial.

[June Diane Raphael]

Naked people. That woman naked or just other naked, naked people.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so it would be like, I need to get in touch with Brian Orlando because. Because. And hear me out. If this tech exists and I'm only just hearing about it. Okay?

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So Orlando.

[Paul Scheer]

So just so you know, I'm coming in hot with a remote control device. Clue, the video game and backward masking. I thought that Teen Wolf, cause It was a PG13 movie, was sending me a little signal to see Boof naked.

[Doug Benson]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow. Tick. All that from Tickle My Paws? We got all of that from Tickle My Paws.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I didn't want you to think I was a weirdo pervert. We do it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We do think that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Anyway, it's like pretty saying now boys, like, see pornography by the age of 10 and it's so disturbing. But then I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's better.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It doesn't matter. At least they get to see it, you know? Think of the hours they're not spending doing whatever this nonsense was. You could have learned to play guitar.

[Paul Scheer]

Nope.

[June Diane Raphael]

Just trying to maybe just show it to them, you know?

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, I will say that scene where he's like, these are boobs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Don't waste your time. They'll be there later.

[Paul Scheer]

I will say that. That scene where she is saying, tickle my Paws. They're fully dressed in a high school hallway. Like, so it would have to be like a real insert shot. Like, it would.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You must have lived in a world in which hitting pause on anything might reveal nudity.

[Rosetta Stone Announcer]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

True.

[June Diane Raphael]

What's really, like. I mean, what's actually Breaking my heart is the moment you must have realized. Like, it's not there. No, like, it's just not there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'll be honest. I don't know that he's given up hope. He still seems to think he just didn't pause it in the right place.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, now I got the 4K steelbook. And now I think I can get to the bottom of it. You don't even want to know how I dealt with. When I finally got my hands on a Playboy magazine, I was so nervous that I was gonna get busted that I cut out the pictures that I thought were choice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Were choice. I want to be very clear. That's a word I guarantee Paul has not used since he was a teenager.

[Paul Scheer]

True.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's not a word we use anymore to describe hot women. As a matter of fact, she's choice.

[Paul Scheer]

As a matter of fact, I think it's a term they used in Teen Wolf.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is it?

[Paul Scheer]

I think it is. I think Stiles uses it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Holy shit.

[Paul Scheer]

So I cut out these pictures, and then I was like, I can never get busted with this again.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A new story is being. Do you know how lucky you are to be here tonight?

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, my God. Do you mean you cut them out, like, in a square or, like, did you cut out the lines?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Such a good question. So, for a collage or for just pages?

[Paul Scheer]

So, great question. Great question. Great question.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow, those legs are spread.

[Paul Scheer]

I cut them out to be slightly smaller than a magazine page. So I was losing. I was cropping slightly.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why not just rip it out?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, hold on. I'll tell you, June. And then I got a. An old, like, hunting and fishing magazine, and then I inserted those nude pages throughout.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So did you own the hunting and fishing mag, or did you go and buy that specifically for subterfuge?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I had, like. There were a collection of hunting and fishing magazines, and I had.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How old were you at this point? Guess. I mean, guesstimate.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, fifth grade.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

And. And so then I would keep that in, like, my magazine rack in my room that was next to my La Z Boy. I did have a Lazy Boy in my room. And just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You were a real. You were a real Martin Crane as a child.

[Paul Scheer]

So it was next to my La Z Boy. And so then I knew that I could keep it there. No one was ever gonna look at this old hunting and fishing magazine, that outdated info. So if I wanted to look at it, I could go to page 35, 72. I could move around, and I'd have my pictures locked in there.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow, this is next level.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is incredible stuff.

[Paul Scheer]

But that just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just do. Because we do have younger listeners.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That these are the lengths that we had to go to in effort to see nudity and be titillated. We couldn't just be like, look at any random thing online.

[Paul Scheer]

No. I had to make sure I was cutting and pasting and did you using.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm just curious, did you try to integrate these choice words, women, into the like hunting and fishing tableaus at all or was it just like the page on the page?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it was. Unfortunately, it was not that thought out. I just kind of. I found areas where I felt like, you know, maybe the reader would be done with that story and then I would pop that out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Got it.

[Paul Scheer]

So, yeah. Because I wouldn't. I would never want someone to find it and be like, oh, what is going on in the world of hunting and fishing? And then be mid story and be like, whoa. And so, yeah, so I did take that. That hunting and fishing magazine upstairs. They thought that no one was really. I was worried about my mom was going to find it. I don't think my mom was going to get hunting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Never. You were never. Your secret was never revealed.

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

She only got mad at me once for seeing that. I took a Victoria's Secrets catalog up to my room before it got to like the kitchen mail slot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It went straight into the hunting and fishing.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I brought it up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's like, don't worry, I only cut out Elle McFarlane Fearson. She's the most choice woman in. In this Victoria's Secret. Oh, no. That was me. That was the swimsuit.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, the swimsuit. I also not Victoria's Secret.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Holy cow. So we did it. So is the show over?

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know what else to say.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like I went into a fugue state about one hour ago.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Doug Benson]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Doug Benson]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Paul Scheer]

Only pay for what you need@liberty mutual.com Savings very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts. So what I'll say about this movie is the title is. Title is misleading. The title's a little bit misleading. My boyfriend's back. He is not her boyfriend, I would say. And this is the thing that bothers me like I am on board for this movie. But he is a straight up creepo.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes, I actually. Yes, you're right. I wish. My only problem with it was that I wish they had let go of this idea of her believing he actually died for her. Because he didn't. Yes, he died throwing himself in front of, you know, that bullet. But he didn't believe at that point, that. That was a real scenario. Cause he had staged it.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. And that. I want to go back one step and go, no, he is a creep. He staged the robbery.

[June Diane Raphael]

He knew it at that point. But he had.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He sees his friend being like, no, no, it's not me.

[June Diane Raphael]

I know. But he had still staged a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sure.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I just found it troubling that she never seemed to know that he had staged this really scary event for her.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, that kind of gets pushed under the rug. And it's a. It's a weird thing because you're saying.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Scary event, and I would say romantic event. Okay, so that's in 1987, when this movie was made. This was the height of romance.

[June Diane Raphael]

But I'm like, sweetie, don't feel so badly for him. Like, he would never have even been there. I guess she would be dead. But, like, I don't know. Actually, I don't think that guy would have been there.

[Paul Scheer]

Can I tell you why she would have been dead? Because she's reaching behind her to get, like, a bat. This man has a gun. That bat ain't gonna do anything.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Give the money.

[Paul Scheer]

Give the money.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Give the money. And you guys can keep chatting. When this person leaves, I mean.

[Paul Scheer]

And I will say that again. I want to talk about the creepiness of our lead.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right.

[Paul Scheer]

Our lead, Andrew. Sorry. Our lead.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Johnny Dingle.

[Paul Scheer]

Johnny Dingle.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Don't even. You need to look at the papers. I can tell you Johnny Dingle right now.

[Paul Scheer]

Johnny Dingle.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Heartbreaking to me. Johnny Dingle dies a virgin twice. Heartbreak.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know, this is what I sort of. I miss the. I know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The virginity movie. Well, sorry, sorry.

[June Diane Raphael]

I miss the days in which teenagers were 37.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like that. I really miss the Andrew Zucker. Like, I missed the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The old teens.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, the old teens. And that's what I did find comforting. I really do. I found it so comforting watching this movie like, he was 23. Johnny Dingle was the same age, if not older than her dad.

[Paul Scheer]

Johnny dingle. Johnny Dingle, 23. The woman 25.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. As all teen movies should be.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, agreed.

[Paul Scheer]

But when he wakes up out of bed, I was like, oh. Because it starts with him as a child, and he's lusting after this girl, and he's not lusting.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's in love with her.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, she doesn't seem to even talk. Is it a. Is it a Halloween birthday party? Great question. I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's wearing a fireman's hat, but he's.

[Paul Scheer]

Everyone else is in costume. The birthday girl Is not.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think that was just her wish to see everyone else in a different professional uniform.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And why they were shooting composites that day.

[Paul Scheer]

Why is this movie told in the style of a comic book?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't know, but I was thrilled it was. It made those awkward transitions sing.

[Paul Scheer]

It was a really odd choice because. And I understand that there are. There is a tradition of old of, like, maybe horror comic books, but it was an odd choice because there's no horror in the comic book at all. The comic book is really just doing transitions. It's like we couldn't afford to shoot it, but we. So that's odd. So we wake up, old man in a bed. We're believing that he's a child, even though he looks the same age as his dad. And then his parents are like, don't cut through that woman's lawn. And I'm like, okay, I'm in. I'm on board. And then he just doesn't cut through her lawn. Like, he destroys it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He doesn't actually. He destroys her flower bed, which is so much weirder.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, yes. And that, to me, I was like, oh, great way to not like this character right out the gate.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But the problem is, I've already decided to like him because when he opens his closet, there is a juggling game in there. And I was like, this guy's cool as hell.

[Paul Scheer]

I was obsessed with that. I was like, what is Juggle?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I love that. Both of us were like, what's the game? Juggle.

[Paul Scheer]

And then when they had the reverse shot, I saw the back of the juggle game. I was like, okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I just immediately paused it because I assumed it said Juggo. And I was like, there's got to be boobs here. I bet there's. If. I bet if I pause, there's going to be jugs on this.

[June Diane Raphael]

You have to listen. You have to listen and be ready.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I spent, like, an hour frame by framing the juggle.

[Paul Scheer]

So I guess what I'm getting to ultimately is if you don't change a single frame of this movie, why don't you just start off the character as a likable, shy guy who then gets shot? Not because he set up an elaborate, like, hoax robbery. Like, everything that he does in the beginning sets him up as a creep, where I think it would be more endearing if he's just nice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think you're right. Except that back then, we didn't have creeps. Back then, we didn't have creeps. We didn't know this was Creep behavior.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This just seemed like you. If you're a guy and you're in love with a girl who's been dating Matthew Fox for six years, they are in high school. What's going on there? Who's had a boyfriend for six years, you have to stage some sort of elaborate prank, hoax, violent thing in order to get her attention.

[June Diane Raphael]

Also found it interesting that Matthew. They didn't make the movie. Makes so many interesting choices, and one is to not make Matthew Fox a villain. Really?

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, he seems like a nice guy in the beginning. You know, I never had an issue with him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's kind of a dick. But not so. So much.

[Paul Scheer]

Not like.

[June Diane Raphael]

I guess not. No more so than our main character.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, the. The dick of the movie is the surprise of the film. Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Or as he's credited, Philip Hoffman.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No Seymour in the credits?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, I didn't see that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just saw it at the beginning.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I have to say, he explodes on this incredible.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I never. I always. I think I. Maybe the first time I ever saw him was Magnolia Bowski for me.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, not son of a woman. Maybe because he's playing a similar character instead of a woman.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's like a ski, but I don't even remember.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, yeah, so I remember. I mean, not that I was registering, but I remember him being like the funny cokey ski dude. And I was like, oh, wow, what an interesting moment that he like, turned like. Because we'll just listen and.

[June Diane Raphael]

What are you doing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What is it?

[Paul Scheer]

It's clown work. I mean. Sorry, I'm an idiot. Like, the way he's holding his body, the way his hat is looking.

[June Diane Raphael]

Look at where his eyes are.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, he looks like a character from Andy Cap and Bazooka Joe. I mean, it is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Look at his hair coming out of his hat up there.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, this is comedia level performance.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And immediately he is just acting everybody off the screen.

[Paul Scheer]

He is denim on denim. And here we go.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, no kidding. You stand me up and then you don't even call me.

[Paul Scheer]

My car broke down, had to walk eight miles through the rain to get to a telephone, and by the time I got there, you were already gone.

[June Diane Raphael]

See, I believe that I would walk.

[Paul Scheer]

On glass and eat donkeys for you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Look at Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[Paul Scheer]

I can't live knowing that you're not mine. Will you go to the prom with me?

[June Diane Raphael]

Of course I will, silly. I'm sorry, too. Let's not fight anymore.

[Paul Scheer]

What's up, dingle? Nice day.

[June Diane Raphael]

See you, Johnny.

[Paul Scheer]

Now It. What are you looking at?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Nothing, dirt bag. Well, it's a straight line from that to the talented Mr. Ripley. It's incredible, truly. I mean, sometimes you see it and you're like, oh, there it is. It's right there. It doesn't matter what it's in service of. It's just electric to watch.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you. Bob Balaban. Bob Balaban had the eye. I love that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's Balaban.

[Paul Scheer]

I love Bob Balaban.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Everybody. Every adult in the movie is a Balaban level character actor. Yeah, it's J. O Sanders. It's Richard Gilmore. It's Austin Pendleton, everybody. All the adults are Cloris Leachman. One scene. One scene with Cloris Leachman. And it's electric.

[June Diane Raphael]

And his mom, Mary Beth Hurt, was amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The fact that she keeps bringing him first a toddler to eat.

[June Diane Raphael]

I laughed so hard.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then a cadaver is so funny.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this movie feels to me like a John Waters version of Teen Wolf. I feel like that's what they're going for.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Paul Dooley, come on.

[Paul Scheer]

And this is the thing I can't quite figure out because all the actors seem to be on the same page. He's directing them all. But I feel like maybe it didn't push far enough. Maybe it did. I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel I loved that nobody questioned it beyond. Wait a minute, didn't you die? Yeah, okay, you're here now. And I loved that it didn't slow itself down to try and work it out. That it just was like, let's keep going. But the story we're telling is not about this.

[June Diane Raphael]

But he didn't really question it either, which I thought was interesting. I thought for sure someone's going to, and it's him. I actually. I found it fascinating that he became more likable when he was dead. Once he had something to contend with and an identity that sort of othered him, he. We had to root for him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, yeah, I think you're right. And I think that this movie just kind of finds ways to always go in a slightly different direction that you don't need to go into because. Yes, he comes back from the dead now. Sure. Would it be interesting to give it the smallest amount of explanation? I wouldn't have minded it, but sure, we don't need it. Especially when that gravedigger seems to know a lot more than he's letting on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Murray. Yeah, Murray the gravedigger would love Murray.

[Paul Scheer]

To be like, yeah, just give me one more line of exposition. We're halfway there, but he stops himself from even explaining. He's like, ah, he'll do.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Eh, you'll find out. You'll find out in the rest of the movie.

[Paul Scheer]

So then he goes to the doctor who was great. The doctor and the doctor.

[June Diane Raphael]

So great.

[Paul Scheer]

So great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Incredible stuff from Austin Pendle.

[June Diane Raphael]

Austin Pendle. I mean, it was really amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The movie, let's be clear, would be unwatchable but for the adults.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, they're all adults. Including that toddler.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, true.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, and what they. This is the got. But then like he goes to the doctor and he's like, yeah, you got to go see this old woman, Maggie. Like, why? Why are we making another scene for him to go to her? For her to go, yeah, my husband did it too. And he eats dead people. Like, just have Austin Pendleton go like, yeah, eat de.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like you didn't like this movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, just don't say it. Be so for real right now.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're holding it to a certain. Is it just because it's so much like Teen Wolf without the tickle my paws moment.

[Paul Scheer]

There is never a moment in here where they told me to pause the film. And I feel like that. Well, these movies owe that to me. It's PG13 and I expected something. No. And I think, I guess what I was getting frustrated by was like the over complication of things where it's like, no, no, it's simple, it's easy. I don't have any problem with the guys coming out with guns, the mom killing people, him eating a child. But like, why are we like detouring?

[June Diane Raphael]

I do think, yes. I think that once Austin Pendleton's nurse said, who by the way is his wife, who announced like almost two hours into the film just appeared. I hadn't seen her before. I don't know if she was a character.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't think so.

[June Diane Raphael]

Appeared as though we knew her and said, you know, we're going to be making a youth serum. I thought, a shitload of money. This is definitely just a new plot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yep.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know that we're gonna have to plastic surgery without the late hour.

[Paul Scheer]

Like in a movie that's an hour and 25 minutes. That comes in about an hour and 15. And you're right. Oh, and even, even the end. I rewound it three times. When he goes to heaven.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, because you were trying to see nudity.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, well, I thought when. When St. Peter was like, tickle my balls. No, but I like, I was like, you weren't supposed. He was supposed to slip on coffee and that like, I'm lost Here, I'm allowed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You are trying to make sense out of. You're trying to. You're. You're applying too rigorous a logic to this.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I'm saying it's like. It's like this movie should be a straight line. Like, how about now we put a knot here and you're like, why? Why do I need a knot? Just go to heaven and be like, you know what? You learned your lesson. Go back down. I don't need him to go like, oh, he's supposed to slip on a pot of cotton and he gets shot. I'm like, okay, I.

[June Diane Raphael]

But why did that happen? Why? What? I still. I guess I didn't get to. Is. What was the mistake exactly?

[Paul Scheer]

That he was supposed to slip.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, I know. Stop saying that. I know, but I know he's supposed to slip in the coffee.

[Paul Scheer]

But you're not going my field of Stream magazine, I'll tell you that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Wow. Just became unchoice. But I guess that just felt so random. I couldn't accept it. Like, I almost wanted Murray to have done something wrong or for him to have, you know, because admit that he.

[Paul Scheer]

Set up this entire plan.

[June Diane Raphael]

Right. Or because he didn't give her the necklace. That something. I don't know. There was a better device in there that wasn't used.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The fact that he's wearing the locket when he gets sent back, which stops the bullet is, I will say, insanity. It is because if I'm her and he takes the bullet and she's like, oh, this stops it. It's a heart shaped locket with a picture of me as a five year old in it, I would shoot him. I would say, give me that guy.

[Paul Scheer]

That's the only answer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This guy.

[June Diane Raphael]

But also in the world of the movie, that present is locked away in his closet.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Correct.

[Paul Scheer]

Near the judge.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But we are to assume because he's gone to heaven and stood trial and they've sent him back, that God put that locket on him.

[Paul Scheer]

And again.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then the Christian God, obviously.

[Paul Scheer]

And then he goes back down.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I said it.

[Paul Scheer]

Goes back down to have the final dance. And guess what? I want my boyfriend's back. Dance to my boyfriend's back.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Nope. I agree.

[Paul Scheer]

Simple choices.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's all in a good. In a slightly better executed version of this movie, there would have been like a band from that era doing a SCA cover of My Boyfriend's Back. It would be like Fishbone doing My boyfriend's back.

[Paul Scheer]

You're not going to. You're not going to get from me. Like I didn't like when the mom threw the peanut butter or the bologna and mustard. Love it. No issue with it on board, but kind of want some other things in here too. Like in that. Like again, I love that.

[June Diane Raphael]

They also didn't really grieve for him.

[Paul Scheer]

Not at all.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, not at all.

[June Diane Raphael]

It was in some ways healing just to be like, oh, sometimes grief is not that big of a deal.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And also, and you know what? It felt like they didn't give in to that level of grief because they knew he was coming back. They knew that he was probably gonna show up tomorrow, which is when he arrives. They just buried him yesterday. Paul Dooley's son is killed. And Paul Dooley is like, my son's dead and.

[Paul Scheer]

And you're about to eat my. You're about to eat my other son. His other son is in there when.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is revealed to be his other son.

[June Diane Raphael]

So funny.

[Doug Benson]

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[June Diane Raphael]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Doug Benson]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[June Diane Raphael]

The one logic issue I had, the one was that he would have started to smell very badly.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When she bites his ear and it falls off in her mouth.

[Paul Scheer]

Great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was like, finally, this movie has arrived.

[June Diane Raphael]

And by the way, she's unfazed. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Loves it. She's in fact, I think, turned on.

[Paul Scheer]

She is incredibly turned on by his decomposing body.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. And she pays no attention to him until he's dead. And then she's like, what's your deal?

[June Diane Raphael]

You're different.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The ultimate bad boy is one that doesn't have a heartbeat. Isn't that the tagline?

[Paul Scheer]

Nope. I was obsessed with this movie that reminded me of. Anyone ever see Dead Heat? Great movie. Joe Piscopo gets killed in the line of duty, comes back as a zombie, and his body parts are falling off too. To solve a crime, he's got to solve a crime.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's why you didn't like this movie, because you love this other zombie movie.

[Paul Scheer]

Piss ka po.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't like breaking it down that way. The first syllable, piss.

[June Diane Raphael]

This is the tough thing about this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

Is it a mess?

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm actually really mad at you, Paul, because I came in here like loving it and now I'm turning on it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it's not even shake my love.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, good. I need to get back there because I'm.

[Paul Scheer]

All right. I'm, I'm, I'm with you.

[June Diane Raphael]

But what I will say though is that you are you. We're referring to him as a zombie, but there's never any, like, mental decay or zombie esque behavior other than, of course, wanting to eat people. But there's no other sense really of him behaving or having any physicality of a zombie.

[Paul Scheer]

To kill Philip Seymour Hoffman, I want like Philip Seymour Hoffman putting an axe in his own head. I'm like, ugh.

[June Diane Raphael]

And what did happen there? It was just the weight of it kind of took him back.

[Paul Scheer]

Took it back. And it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, yeah, he hit himself in the back of the head, which made no sense. I feel like that was them not wanting our hero guy to murder, but to be able to eat human flesh.

[Paul Scheer]

But the last line of the movie is, I wish I would have killed that guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I know my tough stuff. My understanding of zombies, though, is that they like brains, not bellies.

[Paul Scheer]

He ate his belly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I know. He ate his stomach. They keep saying he ate. He ate the stomach. But don't zombies eat brains? Isn't that their whole thing? Brains. Brains. Right.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't know that about them.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I couldn't.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Anyway, so that. That was interesting to me, just mythologically to introduce a new. A new thing that was interesting.

[Paul Scheer]

But I have a feeling on this, they couldn't introduce brains because they didn't have the effects budget to do brains.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I bet you're right.

[Paul Scheer]

Because like when Philip Seymour Hoffman effects.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Budget to show him eating flesh. No, I mean, he just goes down off camera, comes up with a little. A little bit of blood.

[Paul Scheer]

Like he ate a burger with too much ketchup.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wrote here. This tone isn't done anymore. That's what I want.

[Paul Scheer]

It's like Heathers and John Waters.

[June Diane Raphael]

And you know what it reminded me of?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Buffy. It reminded me of Buffy. A world in which these supernatural elements are not really explored too much other than their ability to give us. To let us tell a story. A coming of age story, a whatever.

[Paul Scheer]

Sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Anyway, you get it, and that's what it reminded me of.

[Paul Scheer]

But I guess that's my other question. What is this a metaphor for?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think there's both a puberty story in here.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then there's puberty. He's 25 years old.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But then there is the story of their. Their unholy romance. The idea that everybody is so looking down on them and that she's involved with a. A zombie, the undead.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do think kind of now I don't like the movie anymore. So mad because I think you're. I know. I don't know what happened tonight, but I think. I think what you're right about is what has he learned? Nothing.

[Paul Scheer]

Right.

[June Diane Raphael]

You know, he has.

[Paul Scheer]

What has the town learned?

[June Diane Raphael]

Nothing. I think that what I wish for him is that he had started off as someone who wasn't willing to try and put himself out there and be brave enough to fail and be vulnerable enough to, you know, tell her how he feels.

[Paul Scheer]

But yet the first scene, he's like, you smell good. You smelly smell.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, I know.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, it's like. It's like, ooh, creepy creep.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. And then he does stage this elaborate thing, you know?

[Paul Scheer]

Now, when I did that to you, did you find that romantic?

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought you were a choice, ma'. Am. Choice? Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

Choice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think you really have to decide to be on this movie's.

[Paul Scheer]

Wavelength.

[June Diane Raphael]

You do.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You have to be on board for J. O Sanders screaming, you are not taking my daughter to the prom, you stupid dead son of a bitch. Great line.

[June Diane Raphael]

And by the way, here's the thing about our lead actor. Even though the movie and the writing and the story doesn't do him any favors, I did find him to be inherently watchable and, like, buoyant and likable. And so I do think he carries a storyline that's kind of not there.

[Paul Scheer]

I agree. I feel like, given the material that he had, he made some choices. I think he is likable. But you're right, he's more likable when he's the zombie. But he hasn't really learned anything because when he goes back to school, his friend is his friend. Like in Teen Wolf. The fun thing about Teen Wolf is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Here we go.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Tickle my paws, here we go. We know. We've heard you say it.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's that it's spoken to you.

[Paul Scheer]

But it's like the idea being like, here's a nerdy kid. He's not very good in basketball. You know, he's. No one pays attention to him. He becomes the wolf. And then he's like, you know, breakdancing on trucks, scoring a bunch of baskets in the basketball game. The hot girl likes him, you know, and it's like, oh, popularity isn't all it's cracked up to be. Like, I actually like being with my friends better here. He becomes a zombie, keeps the same friends, and then the girl that he likes is this kind of like into, like, dead bodies. Like, she's into necrophilia.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think you're right, actually, because he says. There's that moment where he says, like, I don't just like you because you're popular. I don't just like you because you're pretty. I'm like, well, that's all I see. Like, I don't know why you like her, actually.

[Paul Scheer]

No. No reason.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I know he likes her for the five year old within.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't like that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's a real roller coaster.

[Paul Scheer]

Put on a shirt. Put it on a shirt. All right, let's go to the audience. Let's see what the audience has to say. Here we go. I'm going to. All right, so I know there's a lot of interesting things to talk about in this movie. We've broached a handful. But there are other things left to be said. Hi. What's your name? Nick. Nick, what's her question? I guess going off what you Were just saying since she wasn't into him until after he died, and the death is sort of a stand in for like an otherism. Is she like, fetishizing him for his identity at all? Well, I mean, that's what I was thinking too.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's like, ooh, she just straight up likes the smell of dead skin. Yeah, I think it's his. Simple as that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think she wants to fuck him till his dick falls off. I think she wants to. I think she wants that. I do. I think she's like. I think she's kind of like previous to. He's just Johnny Dingle, who cares? And then she's like, have you seen Johnny Dingle since he died? He's smoking.

[Paul Scheer]

I will say that the dick falling off scene and the sex judging scene, the dream sequences, the dream sequence both disturbed me. Like, I got it from a comedic standpoint, but I was like, oh, too much. Like, watching him crawl all over her in those, like, little heart shorts is like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, I wrote that too. There was something about this era in which, in all of film, young teenage boys were always represented as having boxer shorts with hearts on them.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I had those.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You had them?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was gonna say. I've never even seen that.

[Paul Scheer]

I had a real issue with my boxer shirts because they were so hard to get in my jeans. I had to really push them down.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I didn't even. I wasn't even allowed to have boxers.

[Coop Sleep Goods Announcer]

Oh, really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, no. I was tighty whities all day once. Once in, like, teenage years.

[Paul Scheer]

Once.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Boxers weren't popular. Exactly. Until a little bit later.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, once Bill Clinton said he wore boxers, I was all, that was it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now, did. Did he say that? And then you paused it and we're like, wait a minute.

[Paul Scheer]

And I saw him. I had that device. I saw him waist down in a pair of boxers. Look. Great heart boxers. Hi. What's your name? What's. What's your question? Maybe I missed it. In the prom scene at the very end, when he comes back to life.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Did Philip Seymour Hoffman not come back?

[Paul Scheer]

So he is alluded to as being alive? What?

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm sorry.

[Paul Scheer]

It's Philip Seymour Hoffman dead in this alternate reality.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, what alternate? Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, he must be alive because he does say.

[Paul Scheer]

He does. He says in the voiceover, like, the only thing I wish is that I killed Buster or whatever his name was.

[Doug Benson]

Buck.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Which is Matthew Fox. Oh, Buck is Matthew Fox. No. So it's wondering where he was. He wasn't in the background. You're right. He wasn't in the scene. But if we do. If he sees St. Peter and they get the sent back to the robbery scene, then nothing after the robbery scene has taken place, he goes back to the beginning. Right?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, who knows this guy? What do you mean, who knows this guy?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't think you can say who knows. We know. We watched it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, we weren't with. Well, we weren't with Matthew Fox or Philip Seymour Hoffman that night. We don't know what.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They might have died that night. But the events of the events of the. Don't gaslight me on stage.

[Paul Scheer]

Don't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[June Diane Raphael]

Do your research.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't like both of you teaming up.

[Paul Scheer]

Didn't he say at one point when he was in front of St. Peter, like, oh, and I didn't mean to kill Buck. Didn't he say that?

[June Diane Raphael]

He said, I didn't mean to eat him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He does say, you wish he killed Buck, meaning when his. When his buddy says, I know what you should do.

[Paul Scheer]

You should.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When Buck comes to pick her up for the prom, you should kill and eat him, wear his suit and take her to the prom. He doesn't do that.

[Paul Scheer]

Good plan.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And later in the movie he says, I wish I'd done that plan right.

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, that's crazy. That's.

[Paul Scheer]

He's a creep. Yes, he's a creep. Hi. What's your name?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I really want him to be.

[June Diane Raphael]

Hi, I'm Jessica. To June's point of Matthew Fox's Buck, you're saying he's not a villain. And it's true. Because what it seems to me is this girl who's supposed to be the sweetest, loveliest, most beautiful, popular girl in the school that's nice to everybody, is essentially now cheating on her boyfriend who has done nothing wrong. In fact, she agreed to go to the prom with him. He came and, like, did this grand gesture. They apologized to each other and he had. His friend's an asshole. But he hasn't done anything wrong.

[Paul Scheer]

And there's nothing to say that he lied about not showing up for her.

[June Diane Raphael]

I also do believe his car broke down and he had to walk.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't believe that for a second. Here's what I don't believe. Anything coming out of the mouth of anyone wearing a letterman jacket. If you're wearing a letterman jacket in a teen movie in 1987, Facts, you are a villain.

[June Diane Raphael]

But that's why I was confused, because I didn't have any of those feelings.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I do agree. Believe men. I really chewed on that.

[Paul Scheer]

That's a shirt.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Believe men. Believe men on the back. Tickle my paws.

[Paul Scheer]

What's your name? What's your question?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hi, my name is Anthony. I just wanted to ask more about.

[Paul Scheer]

The mom and the plates with the dog. I don't know how many people noticed that. The bit running in that. Okay, tell us the bit, because I don't think we did. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The first time the mom is serving breakfast, the dog just snatches all the.

[June Diane Raphael]

Food off the plate, takes all the eggs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, that's the second time. The first time. June. Yeah, sorry, June. Hey, June. That's the same time. Hey, let's believe this man.

[Doug Benson]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This guy's.

[June Diane Raphael]

I believe him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This guy's fired up. I just want to say sorry to June. Sorry. Wow, June.

[Paul Scheer]

What was the first time? It's like, it looks like bagels or.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Toast, but the dog just takes the mom's like, all right. And sets the plate on the.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so the dog is eating all the food. It's a funny bit. They laughed at the eggs. I didn't see the first one. Thoughts?

[June Diane Raphael]

Well, I do. Well, I do think that it's leading to what we. What ends up happening, which is the dog takes the, you know, the body and pulls it from the fridge. I think what we're setting up is that this dog will eat anything, anywhere, anytime, any day.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I love it. And that's the rich text that is this movie. There are things happen.

[June Diane Raphael]

Listen to what the movie's telling.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There are things happening that we didn't even pick up on that. It takes a man in the audience to illustrate.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you. Finally, a man asking questions.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Explain it as only a man can by parking it at us.

[June Diane Raphael]

Here's what I wish, cuz some. Some of these movies of this time. Although I guess we don't know what time it was after all. 93.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, we do know what time it was.

[June Diane Raphael]

Here's the thing. My. Here's my question about 93. Was this movie made in 93, though as a period film to feel like 87?

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[June Diane Raphael]

Ah, God damn it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's crazy. I agree.

[June Diane Raphael]

What's important to me about movies? Well, the movies I saw when I was 13 and pretty. A lot of Molly Ringwald. Like, what was important to me about those women was that they were. I wanted him to let go of her as an idea.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wouldn't that be great?

[June Diane Raphael]

And a concept. And find like, when I saw him sitting next to that girl and staring at her arms in the library, I thought, well, who's she?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, he's looking at her because he wants to eat her.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, he wants to eat her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He wants to chomp, chomp, chomp down on those arms.

[June Diane Raphael]

But that was a very important narrative to me to, like, I thought that.

[Paul Scheer]

She had a strong sense of self.

[June Diane Raphael]

She had this vapid girl. I'm sorry.

[Paul Scheer]

I thought she had a strong sense of self. The library girl.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The girl in the library.

[June Diane Raphael]

Just because she didn't allow him to eat her. Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, now that's interesting.

[Paul Scheer]

She just was like, hey, back off, man. Like, you know, and I thought, like, if she just held her, you know, she wasn't like, I'm a nerd. You can eat me.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, that's like, I guess she wasn't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The only flaw I see with the movie is that I don't even understand what he's still doing at school.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't either, but let's be clear.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If I'm dead, I am not going to school.

[Paul Scheer]

It seems like he just wants to go hang out with that girl.

[Doug Benson]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And find her elsewhere.

[June Diane Raphael]

I guess what I'm saying is that I felt like the late. There were movies that. That let go of the idea of the hot girl who had nothing to offer but being hot and popular. And I thought by 93 we had done our time with that. And that's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's the idea that I'm in college when this movie comes out is Stone cold chilli.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

And I was. I was 13. I'm a lot younger, but go on, call next person.

[Coop Sleep Goods Announcer]

Wow.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just getting my period Savage Flex from a choice woman.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, now no one brought up this fact, and I'm surprised. La. Now you might. You might want to say brace yourself. Sorry, you might not want to say it. I'm going to say to you brace yourself.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, so who's saying brace yourself?

[Paul Scheer]

I'm saying.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just want to be clear, just so as we're cutting it together. So who do you want to say? Brace yourself. And when?

[June Diane Raphael]

Because for us to say brace yourself.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Brace yourself.

[June Diane Raphael]

We don't. We don't know to.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, before. So you guys go, three, two, one.

[Paul Scheer]

Brace yourself. No, I have to say it to you. No, I have to say it to you. You're not presenting to me. I'm presenting to you. Brace yourself. We're gonna go in a little bit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let's do one thing we just do you guys, on three, just say you brace yourself. One, two, three.

[Paul Scheer]

You brace yourself. No, you brace yourself. Okay, you brace yourself. No, you brace yourself. You brace yourself. Listen to me right now, now you better brace yourself, because I will not. I will not do it. You know what? I will. I'll brace myself.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You did it.

[Kelsey]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. This is a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, you guys got a good one.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, God.

[Paul Scheer]

People have asked, what if. What happened to the lead actress in this movie, Tracy Lind. I'm gonna tell you.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, God. I am actually. I am bracing myself.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, Tracy Lind. This is the actress in the movie. In 1997, Lind went public with accusations of physical abuse regarding her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed. She claimed that they were physical with each other and he threatened her with a 9 millimeter Beretta when she rejected his proposal. Two weeks later, Doty died in a car accident with his new partner, Princess Diana.

[June Diane Raphael]

I couldn't. Honestly, I didn't brace myself enough with all that. I didn't. I didn't consider me brace.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow. Wait. Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

And then I. The. The final part is. After his passing, Lind retired from acting, stating I'm an intensely private person. So this whole acting thing was just the wrong path for me.

[June Diane Raphael]

Lights. Like, we gotta. I have to go.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Show's over. Tickle my paws. How do you come back from wow?

[Paul Scheer]

I'm just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just. I can't wrap my head around this.

[Paul Scheer]

It's a million years.

[June Diane Raphael]

I couldn't have come up with that.

[Paul Scheer]

Didn't think.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who played her in the Princess Diana movie? That we did.

[June Diane Raphael]

Just go over the timeline with me one.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so.

[June Diane Raphael]

So she's engaged.

[Paul Scheer]

So this movie is made in 93 and 97.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm 13. Jason's in college. Go on.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. In 97. In 97, she is dating Dodi Fayed. She goes out and says, hey, this guy's been abusive to me.

[June Diane Raphael]

97. She's saying these things. She's dating him. And then two weeks after that in 98.

[Paul Scheer]

So two weeks. Two weeks after she went public, Dodie died in a car accident with his new partner, Princess Diana.

[June Diane Raphael]

This changes everything.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, there's a little more. Okay, hold on. Who said that? You did. Oh, wow. I knew you had it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Get that guy out of here. I say that I do that bit.

[Paul Scheer]

What do we got?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So when Chuck Philip Seymour Hoffman is chasing Johnny with a baseball bat, Eddie comes out and he's reading a Time magazine or People magazine, and Princess Di and Charles divorce is on the magazine.

[Paul Scheer]

So.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, but that's just pure coincidence, right? Here's my theory. Here's my theory. Dodie was having trouble in his relationship with Tracy, was watching this movie and saw that Di was on that cover single, ready to mingle when she dies.

[June Diane Raphael]

Know, though, for sure that Dodie and Tracy were dating during the film.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Was that during this period? Do we know that? Oh, no, I think he was just re. Watching it, trying to reach. Oh, God. You think. Do you think he was watching it for the pod? What I'm saying is knowing that in the future, we would cover it. Could be.

[June Diane Raphael]

I thought you said pause. I genuinely thought you said pause.

[Paul Scheer]

And I was like, pause the episode right now to see Jason naked.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And if you're listening to the podcast, do pause. Do pause during the pod because there is nudity.

[Paul Scheer]

I want to agree with this story and say they're dating. And he's like, well, what do you do? And she's like, I'm an actress. And she's like, well, what have you been in? She's like, my boyfriend's back. Let's watch it. Then sees that magazine, gets that idea, and then we move on to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How many years later is that, though?

[Paul Scheer]

Like, three years later.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, oh, okay.

[Coop Sleep Goods Announcer]

Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Three, four years later.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I see. I see, I see.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. You know, by the time it's on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Home video, this has been maybe the biggest bombshell since Katherine Heigl replaced Meghan Markle in suits. Was that it? Was that it?

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't think she replaced. I think we were just figuring out how many members of the royal family were in suits or connected to suits.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There was some reveal that, similarly, I feel, like, threw me entirely off track for days.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, a couple things. I mean, I can get you back to some stuff and say that the movie was originally offered to Peter Jackson. He turned it down. And then. And then they gave it to another guy, Adam Marcus. But then Disney was like, he's too young. And so he went on to go make Jason Goes to Hell the final Friday, and then they bring in Bob Balaban, but they kind of dangle the script in front of Bob Balaban for months, and then they go, finally go shoot this thing. Give him two weeks notice to shoot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The movie, and he nailed it.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Maybe it should be. You know how they have those shirts, like an album, a film by Albert Brooks, or, you know, a film. It should be, like, a film by Bob Balaban. They should make that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would love, by the way. I would love it.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, man.

[Paul Scheer]

As we digest.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't. I'm not recovered.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are we? Are we true? True. Let me ask a real question. Are we okay? Are we. Are we safe?

[June Diane Raphael]

No.

[Paul Scheer]

All right. Obviously we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

[Kelsey]

Hi, I'm Kelsey. My boyfriend's back. But wait, he's not my boyfriend. Hey la, hey la he's not my boyfriend. He's kind of obsessed and never had the balls to talk to me. Hey la, hey la I'm with Matthew Fox. He dove in front of Bullet for me. Hey la, hey la sure I'll go to prom. I never expected him to come back from the grave. Hey la, hey la he's kind of cute. He's starting to rot and we're making out in his car. Hey la, hey. Oh, his ear fell off. Hey, that's kind of the whole plot. Hey, there's Philip Seymour Hoff. After all the hijinks and he makes it to the prom, he goes right to the afterlife. Johnny finds out that he should have never died, so they send him back to the start. We're back at the beginning with the botch robbery. Hey la, hey. I'm almost almost done. I almost.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is a recap, madam.

[Kelsey]

Hey, I'm getting it. Five stars. Hey, the mom was the best part. My time was fun and it was a silly ride. Hey la, hey. How did this get made?

[Paul Scheer]

Amazing. Great. Great job.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That was good because it reminded me of a lot of, if not all of the plot.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it was great. Good refresher at the end of the show. There are 1250 reviews of this film. 82% are 5 star. Now I will tell you this much. There's a review here. I will not read it in full, but I need to give you just a taste of it. It is from Dr. Jacques Coulardo from July 7, 2012. I'm going to read a middle paragraph and the last paragraph, okay? School teachers and other school personnel are just what they are. A school of cold fish that stink high heavens like rotting salmon in a polluted river. And I will not say what happens to the trout in the lake. Dead fish can also be zombies. But then do they not have fish bones in their bodies? Rather perlambulating, decaying radiations like in nuclear radiations. Don't touch. It burns. Now that's the middle paragraph. It goes on and I'll read the final paragraph. The film is funny, though of course not as funny as Michael Jackson's rewriting of the Night of the Living Dead. It is true here that we have the prom of the living dead mixing with the dead living. That sounds more romantic than terrifying, but it is horrifyingly. Gross at times and Shakespearean at others. They even have the balcony scene of Romeo and Juliet Revisited for young zombies with decaying muscles. I wonder where the three weird sisters are. Three times, of course, five stars. It takes the delirium tremens of the dead. So if you want to read the nine paragraph review, we'll put that up on the website.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And my understanding is that's what you do in auditions.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, I read that. Now, that review, I read all these things in here. Yeah, it says poor Dingle was a dongle in his life and as a zombie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, but that does, that does suggest that. And I'm shocked none of us have brought it up. Thriller being another kind of zombie, romantic zombie, of course, dancing that this movie did not have. But like, that's another very totemic zombie portrayal in this era in 1987.

[Paul Scheer]

Then Jay Bordelon in 2001 writes, well, first of all, I love this movie with a passion and I've seen it at least 40 times. But last night I rented it for the 41st and I noticed something I never noticed before. The name of the song they danced to at the end of the movie. I had my closed captioning running and all of a sudden it pops up hanging on for Dear Life by mmc. Now, I was thinking that MMC stood for Mickey Mouse Club, but I don't think in this case it does also comment to other Amazon reviewers. I know too much more than anybody about movies and music. But if you want to know the name of a song or something, and you got to leave your email address in the review so people can write you back, well, peace and love and chicken grease. Bye bye, bye bye bye. And again, I would argue that these.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Reviews happened at the end.

[Paul Scheer]

Don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, do you think Bye Bye Bye was like Backstreet Boys? Well, wait, who's saying bye bye bye?

[Paul Scheer]

Nick. He did.

[June Diane Raphael]

You gotta email him.

[Paul Scheer]

He did leave his email address in the review so you could be like, well, what is mmc Like? I guess he was asking you to like, say, like, I'm not gonna tell you here. I'm not gonna tell you what.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ms, let's take this offline.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. And you know, every now and then we do one star reviews. One star reviews, first opinions. These are people who don't like the film. And I wanted to call out this one written by Shelley. This movie would be fine if they didn't use the Lord's name in vain. A total waste of money. If you're like me and find that Very offensive. We don't watch anything with foul spelt, F o w l language. We don't watch anything with foul language or G D in it. One star disappointed. There's no issue with the resurrection of a non Christlike figure, but really has.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

A problem with them using Christian God's name.

[Paul Scheer]

I also have to agree. Well, we know. We all recommend it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Although I feel like you are a no.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm a yes. I'm a yes. But I would love a simpler pass on it. Like, I just would love it to be streamlined a little bit. Like a nerdy kid who realizes something here, he realizes nothing, he gains nothing. When he goes back and asks her out, he's still asking her out with like, he saved her life. So she's like, oh, yeah, I'm indebted to you. But the only reason why she's impressed is like, wow, he saved my life. I feel like you need to have something more to build a relationship on it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's not much of a hero's journey. I agree.

[June Diane Raphael]

I mean, all that's true, but it's so much fun. I mean, this movie to me was just good old fashioned fun. And I do appreciate a comedy that's going to take. Take a strong comedic premise point of view and just play it out beat by beat. We don't make those types of movies anymore. And despite your concerns, I really wish. I wish we did. I really, like watched this and I was like, I'm craving this kind of dark, dumb. Everybody's committed, everybody's on the same page. Everybody knows what the game is and we're all just like continuing to build it out. I really miss these movies and I really enjoyed it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Agree.

[Paul Scheer]

All right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wholeheartedly. This movie is a home run for me. And the idea that this is not like that. Kids don't have a this to watch and maybe they do and I just don't know what it's called. And it's on YouTube and everybody farts into a can and everybody's like, you smelt it. I don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

I like that one.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But. But this to me is, boy, what a blast.

[June Diane Raphael]

Why does comedy have to be so real now?

[Paul Scheer]

Boring.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Well, because, yes, I agree completely.

[Paul Scheer]

This to me, dramedy has killed comedy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, yeah, Real.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it has.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

True. And I, I miss these movies. I miss these movies. From the, the John Hughesy versions of these to the teen wolves to this, to. To the B movie. Like this version of it. Like, this is a blood. I will watch that. Let's do Dead Heat.

[Paul Scheer]

I would like to do it on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Put it on the diet. We absolutely should do it because that's this Treat Williams, Joe Piscopo comedy legends, maybe.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, I actually think that Treat Williams is the one who's the zombie. Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Don't scold me.

[Paul Scheer]

Sorry. Prepare yourself. Brace yourself.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Brace yourself.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, no, I, I. You brace yourself. Okay, fine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I recommended a hundred percent. This was. And I will say this, Paul, your criticisms, though they may be valid. I did not. It didn't interrupt me from enjoying this movie at all. Well, stop.

[Paul Scheer]

And that's where I will say, while I had criticisms, I enjoyed the movie and I enjoyed what it did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What'd you say?

[June Diane Raphael]

I said, I know you did.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The only way the movie could be better would be nudity.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, we just gotta figure out when they're telling us to pause it. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And it would have been great if, like, when his dick falls off and rolls down his pajama pants. If it fell out and we saw it. We all want to know what dingle's dangling. We all want to know.

[Paul Scheer]

Dangle. Tickle My Paws. What do we want the shirt to be? A film by Bob Balaban. We wanted to be Tickle My Paws. Listen to men.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Brian Orlando. Holy.

[Paul Scheer]

Brian Orlando. Brian Orlando Electronics. And it's a. It's a. Brian Orlando Electronics. That's it. That. Yeah, I think we could do Brian Orlando Electronics.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Are we gonna get. Okay.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm not worried about getting sued by Brian Orlando. Okay, come after me, everybody.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That Paul went to grade school with his dead.

[Paul Scheer]

Anyway, they all died in that mysterious gas leak. All right, that's our show.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just want to say, T to B, this episode has been unhinged.

[Paul Scheer]

So great. So great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well done. You guys were. You guys were part of a great episode.

[Paul Scheer]

What a fun one.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This was unreal. And I only feel bad for the people that watched Ghosts of Mars last night.

[Paul Scheer]

That's. Sometimes that's a hand you dealt.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Dog Movie.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you so much for coming. Sign up for the Largo mailing list. Great shows here all the time. Thank you to our staff. Thank you to Molly. Thank you to Scott. Thank you to Cody. Thank you to Quinn. Thank you, everybody. Good night. Bye.

[June Diane Raphael]

Bye.

[Paul Scheer]

Thanks for joining us for such a choice episode and as always, a huge shout out to our pals at Largo. Flanny Griffey, Michael in the booth, and our recording engineer, Brendan Burns. I also want to thank our videographer, Wes Knapp. That's right. For the first time ever, we'll be releasing some video clips for this live show on social media. So make sure you check out our social pages on HDTGM for some hot, hot video footage. Now, our t shirt design for this episode says Brian Orlando electronics. It has a little joystick on it. It's perfect. It's subtle, it's great. You can get it as a sticker, a mug, whatever it is. The kind of designs I love with this show. Anyway, just go to hdtgm.com, click on the merch button and then go holiday shopping. Get that shirt, get a hat, do whatever you want. And as always, if you have a correction or omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619paulask or write a comment on our discord at discord gg hdtgm. And I'll respond to your messages on next week's last looks. People, I want to urge you, give that phone number a call. We get great calls, but we could always use more. Now here's the thing. It's December, which means it is time for a how did this get made? Annual tradition. Yes, we will once again be doing a virtual holiday show that you can watch live from anywhere in the world. And you bet, Jessica St. Clair will be joining us for all the fun. And for the first time ever, we're going to be in the same location. That's right. We're going to be on the dark website, which, by the way, if you've not been watching the dark web, you gotta catch up. Our studio is burnt down. We are hallucinating in the middle of the woods. And this week we did a YouTube kids show version of the show. This is not a joke. This is not a bit. It is available on YouTube, kids. It's also available on regular YouTube. But watch how Rob and I have to stay within the very specific lines of YouTube Kids. It's a blast. Now, this show, the Christmas show that I'm doing with Jason, June, Jessica, we're gonna be doing that live on December 10th. Tickets are available now at hdtgm.com get those tickets. It's gonna be a real plus up. And by the way, if you like live events, Deep dive is also doing a live event on December 5th. That's right, December 5th, you got your live streaming moments ready to go. Remember, if you're looking at gifts to give for the family, well, my book joyful recollections of trauma is available and you can get it signed. You'll get there probably in time for the holidays. Plus, weapons is now out on hbo. Max Jason is in man on the Inside Season two as well as season two of Percy Jackson. And again, Taskmaster is available right now his entire season on YouTube. Remember, if you listen to this show on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it a lot. And I also want to thank our entire team for who this show could not be done without. I am talking about our producers Scott Sahni and Molly Reynolds and our audio engineer Casey Holford as well as our Social Media manager Zoe Applebaum and our intern Quinn Jennings. And as always, we hold a special light to Avril Halle. All right, that's all I got people. We'll see you next week on Last Looks.

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