Over The Top LIVE! w/ Bobby Moynihan (HDTGM Matinee)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Over The Top LIVE! w/ Bobby Moynihan (HDTGM Matinee)"

Introduction In the July 22, 2025 episode of How Did This Get Made?, hosts Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, and Jason Mantzoukas welcome special guest Bobby Moynihan for a live matinee discussion at Subculture in New York. The trio embarks on dissecting the infamous 1987 Sylvester Stallone film, Over the Top, a movie often celebrated for its melodramatic portrayal of arm wrestling and father-son relationships.

Guest Introduction Bobby Moynihan, known for his work on Saturday Night Live and Boyish, joins the hosts to explore the depths of Over the Top. His insights complement the hosts' critical perspectives, setting the stage for an engaging and humorous analysis.

Plot and Structure Critique The discussion begins with an overview of the movie's plot, highlighting its unconventional structure. Bobby points out, “I thought when I was a kid, I was like, this movie's amazing. But literally, I would say 45 minutes is spent in the third act” ([03:00]). The hosts agree, emphasizing the disproportionate focus on arm wrestling compared to the initial father-son narrative.

Paul Scheer remarks, “This movie is structured like a romantic comedy between a man and a child with a romantic montage where they sleep in the car together and then do workouts” ([03:14]). June Diane Raphael adds, “The first 15 minutes of the movie is a lot of people just judging Sylvester Stallone” ([04:20]), criticizing the superficial character development.

Character Analysis and Plot Holes The hosts delve into character motivations and plot inconsistencies. Jason Mantzoukas questions, “But how does he prove that he's the father? Just a blown-up 8 by 10 of their wedding picture. Not only that, but that's not even in it” ([05:05]). This skepticism about plot devices underscores the movie's reliance on flimsy storytelling.

June Diane Raphael discusses the mother's role, suggesting, “I think she was very weak” and later hypothesizes, “She was also like, there must be something deeply wrong with the mother” ([08:22]). The ambiguity surrounding the mother's condition and actions is a focal point of their critique.

Arm Wrestling Tournament Breakdown A significant portion of the discussion centers on the film's arm wrestling tournament. Paul Scheer humorously notes, “You don't even know he's 12. I love that somebody was like, 12, 12” ([34:23]), highlighting the implausibility of a 12-year-old participating in such high-stakes competitions.

The hosts critique the tournament's rules and execution. Jason Mantzoukas observes, “They don't explain why that, like, you would think, like, when his kid loses an arm wrestling, like hey, you can't lose” ([42:09]). This lack of explanation for key plot elements further diminishes the movie's credibility.

Behind the Scenes and Trivia The conversation shifts to behind-the-scenes trivia, revealing that Stallone was paid $12 million for the role, a substantial sum for 1987. Paul Scheer shares, “Years later, Stallone explained that he agreed to appear in this movie, saying that the producer, Golan, kept on offering him more and more money until I finally thought, what the hell? No one's gonna see this” ([16:06]).

They also discuss the film's music, noting that John Wheaton was initially chosen to sing "Winner Takes It All" before being replaced by Sammy Hagar at Stallone's behest ([57:07]).

Product Placement and Cultural References The hosts humorously critique the movie's over-the-top product placements, such as Sylvester Stallone's character transporting cologne in a 16-wheeler truck. Paul Scheer quips, “That truck is kind of magical because when the kid does get kidnapped, he jumps, you know, Stallone jumps into his fucking semi truck and immediately gets it up to speed to go into a high-speed car chase” ([68:25]).

June Diane Raphael points out, “He specifically says, funnel drinks motor oil out of the funnel. And then the next shot is him cracking open some Alka Seltzer” ([28:30]), mocking the blatant advertising within the film.

Audience Interaction and Questions Towards the episode's end, the hosts engage with the live audience, addressing questions and comments. Andre, a listener, asks about the protagonist's repeated losses, to which the hosts humorously respond with disbelief and sarcasm ([58:09]). Another listener, Gabby, shares a personal anecdote about reenacting the film's scenes, leading to light-hearted banter about the movie's impact on fans.

Final Thoughts and Recommendations Concluding the episode, the hosts reflect on the enduring appeal of Over the Top, despite its numerous flaws. Jason Mantzoukas states, “I would recommend this movie to anyone who's an arm wrestler” ([73:25]), blending genuine recommendation with comedic irony. They acknowledge the movie's place in pop culture history, albeit as a prime example of cinematic excesses.

Notable Quotes

• Jason Mantzoukas ([03:10]): “I thought when I was a kid, I was like, this movie's amazing. But literally, I would say 45 minutes is spent in the third act.”
• Paul Scheer ([03:14]): “This movie is structured like a romantic comedy between a man and a child with a romantic montage where they sleep in the car together and then do workouts.”
• June Diane Raphael ([04:20]): “The first 15 minutes of the movie is a lot of people just judging Sylvester Stallone.”
• Jason Mantzoukas ([08:22]): “I'm wearing suspenders. Go on.”
• Paul Scheer ([34:23]): “I love that somebody was like, 12, 12.”

Conclusion The episode offers a humorous yet critical examination of Over the Top, dissecting its narrative shortcomings, character inconsistencies, and over-the-top elements. With Bobby Moynihan's participation, the hosts provide a comprehensive analysis that balances insightful critique with comedic flair, making it an entertaining session for both fans and newcomers to the film.

Transcript

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Rocky, but with arm wrestling. And part Kramer versus Kramer with Stallone and Robert Loggia. What could go wrong? Everything we saw over the top. So you know what that means.

[Paul Scheer]

Let's ruin the mediocrity of Sahara.

[June Diane Raphael]

Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to a very live episode of how did this get made? We are here at Subculture in New York. I am joined as always by my two co hosts. Please welcome Jason Mantzoukas and June Diane Rayfield. We have a very special guest tonight. You know this next person from Things that are very funny. Please welcome Bobby Moynihan. All right. I don't remember thinking that this movie was crazy lame. I thought when I was a kid, I was like, this movie's amazing. But literally, I would say 45 minutes is spent in the third act. Like the arm wrestling portrait.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, they get like. The plot is like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta get through this plot.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, the first half. The first half. This movie is structured like a romantic comedy between a man and a child with a romantic montage where they sleep in the car together and then do workouts And. And then have the kid at the end has to, like, run through the airport and get to his dad so he can be like, I love you, dad. And the dad. And they're always going like, pump it up, pump it up, pump it up, pump it over, up and over. Everything is like the most sexual movie we've ever.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm like, well, you didn't even talk about the. You didn't even talk about the. The tackle in the middle of the highway where he grabbed the foot and.

[Paul Scheer]

Hugged him tight and he rips his sleeve off.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sometimes you need to aggressively hug somebody to get them to love. But the movie is edited in a weird way, too, because they clearly didn't have enough footage for the first half of the movie. So they show a scene of Stallone and the kid getting along, and then two scenes later, he's like, hey, why don't you smile? It's like, no, we saw him in the montage. He was smiling, very happy. They were like, oh, shit. We need. It's 88 minutes. Put that in there.

[June Diane Raphael]

The first 15 minutes of the movie is a lot of people just judging Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, it's the best acting ever. But he'll walk by and there's one woman who literally mouths the word. She's like, who is that? Yeah, they're so terrified that someone with suspenders has showed up in their town.

[Bobby Moynihan]

They also added, like, all these other ADR lines as he's walking to that military school.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, it's a military school.

[Bobby Moynihan]

People are like, what's this?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who's that?

[Bobby Moynihan]

What's going on? Who's that guy?

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, I thought he was a colonel for a minute, and I got super confused. The colonel's ready to see you. I was like, wait, his dad's the fucking colonel?

[Paul Scheer]

A military school which discharges his son to the father who he's never met and is like, you take him home. But we're cool with this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. The son has never met the dad, but how does he prove that he's the father? Just a blown up 8 by 10 of their wedding picture. Not only that, but that's not even in it.

[June Diane Raphael]

But didn't that make you think a little bit? I had never seen it. I watched it today for the first time. And when he showed that photo, there was a time where it was like, well, you can't fucking fake that.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, that's true.

[Bobby Moynihan]

But by the way, that was.

[June Diane Raphael]

That was the son.

[Bobby Moynihan]

He was like, you have a. The son says, and rightly so. Can I see some id?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Bobby Moynihan]

First of all, we'll get into the wife, I hope in a second. And her we're gonna get so much vision. Like why didn't she call her son and say dad's.

[Paul Scheer]

Why didn't she hide the letters?

[Bobby Moynihan]

Why did she hide so many questions.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That are on answer, by the way. Like I'll also go to say like Stallone really wants to connect with his kid, yet he's very late for this graduation. Oh yeah, like he shows up after it's over, but yet he spends a lot of time washing the truck, arm rolling the wheel, brushing his teeth, wearing suspenders. Like, you know what, he's late.

[Paul Scheer]

He's also late to the mother's funeral. This fucking asshole can't be on time for anything.

[June Diane Raphael]

I so want. He pulled up in the truck.

[Paul Scheer]

He's a shit.

[June Diane Raphael]

He wish he had pulled up in the truck for the funeral.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh yeah, I feel like he's like, he arrives late, he either picks a kid up or throws flowers down and is like, boom, I'm out. I could give a shit right now. I got an arm wrestling competition which is apparently the biggest thing sport in America.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, did I miss something? Like in 1987, this is like, this is like saying the XFL was as big as the NFL. It was like this never happened. Televised arm wrestling, like televised everywhere.

[Paul Scheer]

Like when the kid is running through the airport, it's on like eight TVs. Like, he's like, he comes out of the luggage carry and he looks up and it's like arm wrestling All American championships. And it's like tr.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There's a. Oh, by the way, it's on screen at the airport. In between, like this plane is arriving at 7:45. Why would that TV be on?

[Paul Scheer]

Because people want to know what gates they're going to and who the fuck is winning the arm wrestling championships.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I hear Butch is doing really good in the semis.

[June Diane Raphael]

I heard Grizzly's drinking oil again.

[Paul Scheer]

I heard one of six bearded men has lost his mind. There is no shortage of bearded men who just go in this movie like over and over and over again.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then there's one dude who is in khakis, white polo, a fake red beard, glasses and just fucking super jacked arms. But he just looks like a dad.

[Paul Scheer]

Other than, yeah, dad with jacked arms.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So if you haven't seen the movie, which I highly recommend that you do, basically Stallone's a truck driver who's a part time professional arm wrestler who's estranged from his son but has an amazing Relationship with his ex wife. Like, amazing. Like, he calls her honey and there's.

[Bobby Moynihan]

No animosity and he's devastated when she dies.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Well, when even question like, why did you leave my mom? He's like, I have my reasons. And by the way, we gotta find out what those reasons were, right?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. If you think you're gonna find out, you're not. If you think when the kid opens the letters and is like, now we're gonna get some information. We don't.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Guys, I honestly, I really do think. Think that there was something deeply wrong with the mother. And not obviously physically. She was not.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, no, no. She was dying.

[Bobby Moynihan]

She was very weak.

[June Diane Raphael]

She was very weak.

[Paul Scheer]

Something was very wrong with her.

[June Diane Raphael]

She was so ruined.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I think she probably cancer. I think she might have been also. I think she might have also been insane because there's one shot of her where she's sitting in her hospital room and she's like, sitting in a very nice upholstered chair.

[Paul Scheer]

She's very wealthy.

[Bobby Moynihan]

And she's on the phone and the son's asking her questions and she says, I'm sorry, I can't talk right now. I have to go. To where?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, June. The answer is heaven.

[June Diane Raphael]

She had to go die.

[Paul Scheer]

The answer is heaven. She's going to heaven.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think that she was getting cancer injected into her.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She's like, I need to die.

[Paul Scheer]

She's like, I gotta get out of this world. My husband left me. My dad is Robert Loggia. Things are bleak.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But there is a moment too. Like, this is like, the flaw of the movie is that none of it makes sense. But that's the flaw. Yeah, that is the big flaw.

[Paul Scheer]

None of the flaw. That's the flaw of every movie we watch.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But there's a. In the moment, in the beginning, the son is like, you know, how come you haven't talked to me, by the way? Fuck this kid.

[Paul Scheer]

Now this. This is Sylvester Stallone's real son, right?

[Guest]

You know what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought it was. And I did some research. It is not.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I thought it was.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought it was too. And then I did some research.

[Paul Scheer]

I remember that being something.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Rocky 5 is his real son.

[June Diane Raphael]

He was the voice of Sam in the Transformers movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is true.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that changes everything then, because the whole time I was like, well, it's his real son. So that makes kind of sense. Now I'm like, then get your fucking hands off that kid.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's not the only one, though.

[Paul Scheer]

The second he leaves the kid alone all the time for people to just.

[June Diane Raphael]

Grab he leaves him alone at the bar, and Bull. I think his name is Bull, walks in. And how he introduced his character is by grabbing the boy's hand, who also has the stress ball in his hand. And he just goes, where's your father?

[Paul Scheer]

He goes, how do you know that, man?

[June Diane Raphael]

How do you know that, man?

[Paul Scheer]

And he goes, he's my father.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, it's. He was so gross, by the way.

[Bobby Moynihan]

By the way. Five minutes before they arrive at that steakhouse or whatever that was like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Steakhouse?

[Paul Scheer]

Not a steakhouse.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, June.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Shitty, shitty roadside diner with arm wrestling.

[Bobby Moynihan]

In the back, whatever it was. I do have. I do think, though, that Sylvester Stallone has, like, this crazy food obsession. I know we're gonna talk about Demolition Method. Hey, let's go get a stick. But he's.

[Paul Scheer]

I know a great place.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Obsessed with food in his movies and, like, bad food and good food.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, he's trying to get the word out about cholesterol on a lot of his movies.

[Bobby Moynihan]

That's what's happening.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You feel like that's like his underlying thing, like, you know, like John Travolta might have been trying to do with Scientology and Battlefield Earth here. He's like, we gotta get the word about cholesterol. That kid talks about cholesterol like, seven times.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Moynihan]

But the kid says, that's my father so proudly. And so he speaks about him in such a familiar way. He just met him 10 hours ago, moments ago.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hours ago again. I want to bring back to the one crux part of the beginning. Like, right when he meets his dad, he's like, you never talk to me. You never reach out. And he goes, whoa, what are you talking about?

[Paul Scheer]

Flawless. Flawless. Stallone, flawless.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It was not Stallone. I was not doing Stallone. I was doing Robert De Niro, so. And he goes, why haven't you reached out to me? He's like, what are you talking about? I wrote you 100 letters. And the kid's like, oh. And then like, at that point, you should be like, oh, well, there must have been some kind of crazy miscommunication. I shouldn't be mad at you.

[June Diane Raphael]

I believe the kid asks to stop having a conversation after this.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Yeah, he says, I don't want to talk about it. Little prick Stallone. One would think he would follow that up with. Did you not get them?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's weird.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I wondered why you never brought me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's weird.

[Paul Scheer]

I bought a hundred of those things, I guess. Oh, well, if you never got my letters, this all must seem insane.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then on Top of it.

[Paul Scheer]

You must be terrified right now because I am a stranger who has kidnapped you with intent to rape.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I am wearing suspenders.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I wanna have a conversation with your mother.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, there's a lot of. But by the way, just to talk about these letters, if you're watching the movie and you're at least an active participant as a viewer, you would go, oh, the bad guy in this movie is Robert Loggia. I bet you Robert Loggia held those letters back from him. Nope. No. The easiest choice this movie could have made was he had all the letters.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Nope. The mom did. Hidden in her purse. Hidden in a purse in a drawer.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then she went and died like an asshole.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But yet the mom, whenever she's on the phone, she's like, oh, you got need to connect. You need to bond. So, like, the mom is always like, you need to connect. But yet I was holding back this crucial part of information for you to connect, which goes into June's thing, which is she's certifiably insane.

[Bobby Moynihan]

She's a crazy person.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, everybody's crazy in this movie. Like, the only person who's not crazy, I feel like, is the kid. And in a lot. I mean, he's crazy, but in a lot of ways. Like, when Bull comes up to that kid and is like, who is that man? Or how do you know that man? The kid should be like, I don't. Get me the fuck outta here. Shit's going down. That is not cool. And then later, when Stallone takes the kid into, like, another restaurant, takes him to the back. He takes the kid. He takes him to the back of another bar where there's a bunch of kids playing video games. And he's like, hey, who wants to turn at my son? Hey. Hey.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It looked like a scene out like the Accused.

[Paul Scheer]

How'd you like Robin on my son? Get up here on the pinball table. Yeah, it's fucking mental. And then when the kid runs out, crying, is like, I don't like this. You humiliated me. He's like, you fucking get in there and you do this. You do this because you're a man. You do. You take it. You take it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And the kid, at this point in the movie, has shown no proclivity to arm wrestling. Being strong.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's also the only second, the second time they arm wrestle in the movie is that scene, I believe. There's not a lot of arm wrestling in this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Only the last 40 minutes. And then it's all wall to wall.

[Paul Scheer]

Wall to wall arm wrestling.

[June Diane Raphael]

I should have said to you earlier. It's real steel. It's the same movie, except how dare you.

[Paul Scheer]

Real steel is this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just want to. I do want to show you, obviously, Stallone getting ready for arm wrestling. And this is one of my favorite moments, how he gets psyched up for the arm wrestle here. So I'm gonna crack that open here. This is more of a video moment than it is an audio. So we'll just duck out of the.

[Guest]

Way of the screen. And here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

That's it. That's a scene in this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Super weird, right? Super weird.

[Paul Scheer]

Super weird.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love watching Stallone in that scene walk up to get prepared. He looks like every blood vessel's gonna burst. He's like, like, it's like the Hulk, but he's not turning. It's like he's just taking a really hard shit, just shaking. And then the other guy that he's wrestling there is like just a bizarro Patrick Swayze.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, that's great.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's every crazy person smashed together.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like just to put some context to this movie, stallone was paid $12 million to star in this. What? It was done in 1987. So $12 million in 1987 is a lot of cocaine. And years later, Stallone explained that he agreed to appear in this movie, saying that the producer, Golan, kept on offering him more and more money until I finally thought, what the hell? No one's gonna see this.

[Paul Scheer]

And here we are.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It came in fourth place on opening weekend. So that is pretty bad for, like, Stallone in his prime to come in fourth.

[June Diane Raphael]

Do you know what? Beat it by any chance?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I do not know what. Beat it.

[June Diane Raphael]

No.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sorry.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sorry.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, boy.

[Paul Scheer]

Does anybody hear now?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Failures.

[Paul Scheer]

You fucking worthless sacks of shit.

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

Stallone drives a cologne truck. At one point he is transporting cologne like which I just. Just the idea of cologne in a 16 wheeler made me laugh. Like one type of cologne. Just like brooch. It was all the bad ads in this dude.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, so many bad ads.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I have a question about trucking, because it seems like you have a question about trucking.

[Paul Scheer]

I do.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Because at the end of the movie, there's. There's a big prize at stake at the arm wrestling tournament, which is a giant truck. How lucky, right? But when you. This is what I'm asking. When you are a truck driver, aren't you just given the trucks of the company? Okay, okay. Thank you.

[Paul Scheer]

Thank you.

[June Diane Raphael]

Very mad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

To be fair, you have to buy your own.

[Paul Scheer]

85% of our audience are truck drivers now.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I understand that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And we appreciate you guys listening on the long hauls.

[Paul Scheer]

Big podcast list. Big podcast listeners.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You guys listen to us over CB when we first started out. And we appreciate that when a new.

[Paul Scheer]

Episode comes up, they're all on the CB's got breaker, breaker, breaker, breaker. You listening to this Howard the Duck episode?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will say, though, we had applause.

[Paul Scheer]

Breaks just for mentioning our own episodes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will say that it was odd to me that the prize of the arm wrestling competition was a big rig. Because if you were not a trucker, that is not a good prize.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it seems to be only a prize he would want.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, I laughed out loud this morning. Cause the way they set it up is awesome. Cause he goes, and the winner will win $100,000. And. And then he says, and then a truck also, like, what are the chances? This guy. This is this guy's chance.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Well, so much so that when they're announcing all of the different arm wrestlers for the final, like, the final, they announce everyone, and everyone sort of turns to the camera and gives, like, a really scary face. And when they announce Sylvester Stallone, by.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The way, this is amazing acting.

[Bobby Moynihan]

He's faced away because he's staring at his truck.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Bobby Moynihan]

And so he's just sort of caught off guard.

[Paul Scheer]

Also, everybody else in that scene, exact scene, is placed within the riotous crowd and people are patting them on the back. And he is alone, so sitting. Not like pumped up, but sitting. Kind of like just staring. And then he goes like this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's sitting there and he's just looking. Oh, man. All the cologne I could transport across the country. This big rig. Oh, this beautiful rig.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I think this is. Wait, 80. Yeah. This is like the heyday of, like, trucker. Not the heyday, I guess, maybe, but like BJ and the Bear kind of. I guess it Is that's like late 70s, I guess.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I will say one thing.

[Paul Scheer]

He loves that era.

[Bobby Moynihan]

And I thought he looked great in his trucker costume. I will say that.

[Paul Scheer]

I think that's what it's called, a trucker costume.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I thought he looked great.

[Paul Scheer]

Hey, Sly, you got to get in your trucker costume and then get on set. Got it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, he loves that truck. If there is any kind of Eagle, if there's any kind of metal eagle, he's gonna spend a couple of. Hawk.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hawk.

[Paul Scheer]

His last name is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Or is it. Yeah, guys, his name changes in the movie. And I actually put together a little montage.

[June Diane Raphael]

His name changes a couple.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hawk. It's Hawk. Sometimes it's Hawks.

[Paul Scheer]

To both.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will play you. That. That I think is really not a good. That's bad scripty.

[June Diane Raphael]

But if there's a metal hawk in the movie, he's gonna polish it for at least six minutes. Yeah, because it happens a couple times.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So this is a little montage of Hawk or Hawk. He responds to both. So listen carefully. Here we go. And sometimes in the same scene differently again, huh?

[Paul Scheer]

Hawks. How you doing, boy? Better than you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You Hawk? I'm set. Are you Hawk? Court is going to give him to his father. Unless Hawks can't support Hawks. Help me support you. Hawks. Hawks. Let's go see you Hawks. Hawks.

[Paul Scheer]

The odds on Lincoln Hawks. Kelly, what are the odds on hawks?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Lincoln Hawks. 20 to 1.

[Paul Scheer]

20 to 1, pal. With a long shot.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Come here.

[Paul Scheer]

No, Hawk.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Lincolnhawk is a new champion. So he's wins. He wins his Hawk. He was Hawks. He goes back and forth. The odds are 20 to 1 on Hawks. Yeah, but Lincoln Hawk wins.

[Paul Scheer]

That's pretty amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

His name changes. How does that happen? That's lazy. That's really lazy. And he agrees to everyone. You would think, like, Stallone would be like, actually, my name is Hawk. I wrote the script. I'm co scriptwriter. My name is Hawk because that's the name of my truck. Hawk, not Hawks. Like, no one checked that. How checked out was he that he allowed himself to be called two different.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, there was that moment where he was like, hey. Like, he tried to bring it up. He's like, hey, can I. And they were like, we're gotta get moving. He's like, just forget it, man.

[Paul Scheer]

Just. Okay, let's keep going.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Maybe it wasn't as soon as he, like, had a family and had a son, he was like, we're the Hawks.

[Paul Scheer]

You think it's plural?

[Bobby Moynihan]

I don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

They have a plural.

[June Diane Raphael]

Don't they? He's like, when you take over the business, it'll be Hawkins, son. Hawkins or. But he screws it up and he's like, yeah, Hawkins son.

[Paul Scheer]

Like.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like he says something different the first time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's son and Hawk?

[June Diane Raphael]

Right? Yeah. That won't work.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way. This kid wants to grow up to be a truck driver.

[Paul Scheer]

That's the thing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's the thing that makes promising career as a kid.

[Paul Scheer]

He wins the money, he wins the truck. Spoiler alert. And as a kid is like, I want to be with you. I want to be with you. And he's like, okay, great. And then they're gonna live in a truck together. Is that what I was gonna make?

[June Diane Raphael]

A truck? They're gonna give him the old truck and they're gonna drive side by side.

[Paul Scheer]

Side by side. That's amazing.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I was very upset to see them fall asleep like that in the truck bed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He tells him, he's like, hey, if you get tired in the middle of the night, you can fall asleep on my shoulders.

[Paul Scheer]

And then he falls asleep on the kid's shoulder. On the kids shoulder, all cuddled up like a fucking weirdo. Not cool.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Because that's the thing is like Robert Loggia is. If you want vintage Robert Loggia, guys, do yourselves a favor and watch the pilot episode of Magnum P.I. it is two hours long. Robert Loggia is the bad guy. And maybe 15 minutes of content, that is worth it. But it's amazing. But Loggia is the bad guy and he's incredibly rich in this. So the kid is gonna inherit all this money or whatever, but he wants to like bro out with Stallone to the point where I'm like, why would you do this? Now you have the money. You can't force this child to live in a truck. You can't be like he wants. No, but you can't, guys, right? You can't let this happen.

[Bobby Moynihan]

You're saying. I see that Stallone, if he really did want the best for his son, would have. You can get the best education.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You can't settle down. He's a man of the road.

[Paul Scheer]

Then leave the kid with Logia. While they are together, the kid is kidnapped, assaulted by bull. Kidnapped by thugs. Like the kid is. Stallone is a terrible father.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, what a terrible father. I would argue that he's not even in the movie. He's not in real life. He's kind of a bad guy in real life.

[Paul Scheer]

He's the best dad ever. I know that. Cause he's my father.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I wanted to get. I feel like, June, this is something that you would catch onto that. His character as a father. Sometimes it's so like, yeah, I'm just trying to do stuff for my son. And then all of a sudden, like, driving a truck through a mansion. Like, there's no middle ground. Like, he goes from, like, I'm so shy. I'm awkward in suspenders, to I'm gonna punch a guy through a wall. Like, there is no, like, his rage.

[June Diane Raphael]

Weird line of like, I just wanna be a good dad. And then he's like, no, you drive the fucking truck. I don't care about other people's lives.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, well.

[Bobby Moynihan]

And what's that?

[June Diane Raphael]

What's that? Oh, I'm gonna train in my truck by driving a tract and using a handmade sort of rig that he built that has weights on it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, it's like he built a Nautilus machine in his truck. And he's doing.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm sure it isn't a solo flex.

[June Diane Raphael]

Which is predominantly featured on a lot of arm wrestlers shirts.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And Alka Seltzer's on one other guy's shirt. Alka Seltzer was really big in the arm wrestling scene. We gotta get it out there. And then they crack open Alka Seltzer later on.

[June Diane Raphael]

I feel like that was the first time I noticed product placement, like, in the 80s. Cause the guy, Grizzly, screams, I'm gonna drink some oil.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Out of a funnel. He specifically says, funnel drinks motor oil out of the funnel. And then the next shot is him cracking open some Alka Seltzer.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Be like, got to.

[June Diane Raphael]

Shouldn't have drank that oil.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Yep.

[Paul Scheer]

Shouldn't have drank that Valvoline.

[Bobby Moynihan]

That was a mess.

[June Diane Raphael]

They didn't even do product placement on Valvoline. It was just oil.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Here's the thing about Stallone's character, though. I mean, you have to remember that he's been sending his son letters for his son's entire life. And he's been getting pictures back.

[Paul Scheer]

Right.

[Bobby Moynihan]

So he isn't working under the assumption, I assume, that the son has gotten his letters, maybe doesn't know how to write.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You would think, at a certain point, because he has such a good relationship with the mom, that he'd be like, hey, whatever, the mom's name is, Catherine. Like, why isn't my kid writing back to the 75 letters I've sent? And she's like, oh, yeah, I'm hiding.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Love the pics. Love the pics.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Love the pics.

[Paul Scheer]

Thanks so much for the pics. But hey, what's up with the kid not writing? I feel like maybe you're squirreling these away in a purse at the bottom of a drawer and not showing them to him.

[Bobby Moynihan]

That purse where it was hidden. There were a couple purses in that drawer, and it was hidden in there.

[Paul Scheer]

Don't all ladies have a bottom drawer, purse drawer?

[Bobby Moynihan]

It was, like, hidden in, like, a makeup vanity, like, boudoir sort of structure. Like, there's no reason a ton of purses would be in that store.

[Paul Scheer]

I just saw that. That's really where this movie Lost Girls in their purses. Every girl's got a vanity with a drawer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Purse drawer, where you store all the purses full of weird stuff.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. See, I feel like it'd be like that if I went into a girl's room, I'd find, like, a vanity. I'd open the bottom drawer and be purses full of dildos or something, you know, like, that's where girls hide their stuff. Right. I understand women.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Oh, brother. What.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What if Stallone. What if Stallone and the woman were just, like, legitimately, like, just insane? Like, they were like, they needed to belong in a mental institution and Robert Lozier got in there. Is like, you know what? You need to go over here.

[Paul Scheer]

I have a question about this. Go ahead.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Let me say one thing. When the first shot of her, she's very sick, sitting on that upholstered chair in her hospital room, and her hair is cut in a way where it does not look like this is somebody who is suffering and has been through chemotherapy. This looks like in sort of a manic rage, she has taken scissors and cut off all of her hair.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, agree.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. No, she looks crazy.

[Bobby Moynihan]

That's what I'm gonna say.

[Paul Scheer]

She looks. If she was dead on her mental.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Institution, she cut it off.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, okay.

[Paul Scheer]

No, it's terrible. My question is this because there is, like, a tiny glimmer of insight that I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's the story here? Where the kid at some point says to Sylvester Stallone, hey, are you still selling drugs?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

And I was like, okay. In my mind, there's a narrative where Stallone and the mom are just fucking druggies. They're selling drugs. They're like cocaine cowboys, level maniacs. And they're.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's hauling meth across the country.

[Paul Scheer]

Whatever. Just like, crazy coke. He's working for the cartels. We all get it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The original Walter White.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep. And then. And then he, like, bails because of whatever. She raises the kid with Logia, the dad and whatnot. And because of all the drug use, she's gonna die because of something.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What about this? What about this? The guy there was a drug cartel. And they said, we're gonna kill your family. And he's like, look, that's too much for me.

[Paul Scheer]

I love this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You gotta go with your dad. You gotta go with your dad. I'm gonna be on the run. They'll come after me. They won't come after you. And lose is like. Like, I'm gonna pay off this cartel, but you can never see my daughter again. That's a good backstory.

[Paul Scheer]

I like that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I like. These are all better movies than what happened instead.

[June Diane Raphael]

Instead he asked Sylvester Stallone, are you still selling drugs? And his reaction is kind of like, that's fine. I don't really.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When you say selling her, selling drugs.

[June Diane Raphael]

I think your grandfather's making that up.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Well, here's a weird thing, too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Pumps away, just keeps on pumping.

[Bobby Moynihan]

So the grandfather also gets the court to. Essentially, he gets Stallone to sign a document that says he will not come back to the state. And that document signed, and it's pretty clear, like, he's not seeing his son again. That's settled. Then a few scenes later, he shows back up in Vegas to say, yet again, you're not seeing your son again.

[June Diane Raphael]

He gives him a lot of chances.

[Paul Scheer]

But, like, so that's what says, I already signed it. Like, you're.

[June Diane Raphael]

You're clear. You could have gotten out of here a week ago.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. He's like, get the hell out. I'm trying to win this truck.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, this time, Losha's also offering him a truck and $500,000.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But he's already like, Stallone. If I was Stallone, I would take it. I'm like, yeah, I already signed that contract. I'm free and clear. Because, by the way, at the end of the movie, it wasn't like, I'm signing this contract unless I win this contest. Like, there was no caveat in it. Like, oh, but if you win an arm wrestling contest, this contract's null and void. Like, that was never part of the deal. And also, when that kid escapes, there's large periods of time where no one seems to be looking for him. Like, they give up. They're like. They're all up in, like, Robert Loja's suite.

[Paul Scheer]

And this is an era where a kid in a movie can, like, maybe this kid. 12 years old. 13 years old. Like, what?

[Bobby Moynihan]

He's 12?

[Paul Scheer]

12. I love that somebody was like, 12, 12.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You don't know he's 12.

[Paul Scheer]

He's saying he's 12. Come on. He's 12 years old. And we are like, we're cool with him driving cars, stowing away on airplanes or whatever.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not even stowing away. He pulls up to an airport and he's like. And he's like. And he's like, hey, you can't park that car. He's like, yeah, keep it.

[June Diane Raphael]

I'm fucking rich. Keep that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then he finds the best way to hide is to act like a piece of luggage. And he comes out of a luggage car and be like, ooh, who packed that boy? Well, they had to get airport security.

[June Diane Raphael]

They had to get all the luggage to the arm wrestling contest. So he knew he would get there. Fine.

[Guest]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, during the arm wrestling contest. You know, it keeps on going down from like, you know, 500 entry people all the way down to like eight. But throughout that, they're like. And we're down to the final four. And you'll see people who are not in the final four just like, like, lifting is like, guys, it's over. Let the dream die. You've lost. You've clearly lost. No reason to stretch and do anything. There's only four people in this race anymore. Like, there's down to the final two and there's a guy like.

[Paul Scheer]

But you also have to lose two matches to be eliminated.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jason. Jason.

[June Diane Raphael]

Really?

[Paul Scheer]

That's when this.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's an elimination. I don't trip reveal. It should be called the luckiest man in the world.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Jason. I don't know if that was clear enough that he had to lose two, do you?

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, this is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I compiled how many times they said it in the movie. Here we go. And listen up. Here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

And also, just please look at their faces.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

And pretend like they're fun.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

One reminder, once again, this is a double elimination competition. You have to lose once to be out. In other words, if you lose once, you still have one more chance. Okay, let me remind you, please, this is a double elimination competition. If you lose twice, you're up. Double elimination competition has lost his first finals match. Remember, ladies and gentlemen, please remember this is a double elimination. Each of these semifinalists have another chance. You have to lose twice to be out of the competition. This is a die elimination tournament. Any competitor who loses twice out of the eight who are on these four tables. So there was two more that were just underscoring it. And I didn't think you could hear it as clear as. That's like eight times. And. And the. And even the announcer is like, just so I'm clear with you guys, I.

[Paul Scheer]

Feel like it's 80 art lines because people are like, well, audiences are telling us that they're confused because we've seen all of these characters lose already. So we're gonna ADR the double elimination thing in constantly. Just to make sense of this, it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Seems to me that the only rule is it's a double elimination.

[Paul Scheer]

Otherwise, headbutting appears to be allowed. Drinking is also. Motor oil is allowed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

These are.

[Bobby Moynihan]

It seems like. It seems like. Well, they also weigh him when he first arrives. So I thought, well, there's gonna be some sort of weight class, like, you can only arm wrestle.

[Paul Scheer]

Nope.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, no.

[Paul Scheer]

And they even say when it goes against bull, bull's got £100 on him. And I was like, oh, then he's gonna die. If bull has 100 pounds on Stallone, bull is going to maim and.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Or murder him, I believe.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Bullshit. When he does lose, he has that one move, that one arm.

[Paul Scheer]

That must be cheating, right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The hand grows. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Do you notice that the final slow motion shot of him going over the.

[Paul Scheer]

Top, doing the move, he literally goes.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, fans it out. So he's doing it in slow motion. And then they also put it in slow motion, so it's super slow. And he gets his fingers on top. Neck shot, fingers are on the side. His fingers are never on top for that entire fight.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, by the way, they don't explain why that, like, you would think, like, when his kid loses an arm wrestling, like hey, you can't lose. Let me give you my trick.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And explain how he wins an arm wrestling. Nope.

[Paul Scheer]

No, it doesn't pass it on to the kid. Does it and just knows to do it because he seems to do it.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Well, not only that, but it's also, like, I was waiting for this metaphor of going over the top with arm wrestling to. And, like, really going for it and turning her hat around to, like, really to connect to this relationship between the father and son. Like, there must be something.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The movie should have been called Meet yout Halfway.

[Bobby Moynihan]

But by the way, they didn't really meet each other halfway.

[Paul Scheer]

This movie should have been called pull your pants down, kid, I'm your dad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Pull your pants down, kid, I'm gonna suck it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Sponsored by Soloflex.

[Paul Scheer]

The best way did you have to pull the kid with arm wrestling the other kid?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, it was so long that I didn't know what the best scene I could pull.

[Paul Scheer]

The best part of it is.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, My two favorite actors are in that scene. The two cronies. Oh, they're amazing.

[Bobby Moynihan]

They're amazing.

[Paul Scheer]

They're amazing.

[June Diane Raphael]

There's one guy who's like, hey, man, you got to get out of this, man. Come on, man. Come on.

[Paul Scheer]

And then they.

[June Diane Raphael]

The other guy has, like, a comeback. He's like, you really got him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's like, yeah, you got him.

[Paul Scheer]

The other guy keep being like, you wimp. You're a wimp. Remember when, like, being called a wimp was awful?

[June Diane Raphael]

It's still pretty awful.

[Paul Scheer]

Look at. That's her haircut. That was your haircut right there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's a little shaggy. For those of you listening, her haircut is shaggy. Well, I'll pull up that kid arm wrestling scene.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, that's the training scene. Oh, my God. I love this movie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There are so many clips to pull.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, here we go. Here we go.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, so here. Do you want to. We're playing this thing. All right, here we go.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's a practical joker.

[Paul Scheer]

Sorry, he's just a shy kid. As a matter of fact, I'm so sure, I'm willing to put money on him.

[June Diane Raphael]

Kid, if I couldn't beat you, I'd kill myself. This is getting too intense.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, you don't have a chance against this kid. You know that.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yes, he does.

[Paul Scheer]

10 to 1 odds, you're one against my attempt. Fair enough. All right, let's go.

[June Diane Raphael]

10 to 1 odds right here.

[Paul Scheer]

All right. Two out of three times. You should take that off. That's not fair.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's a whip. You'll take them easy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Don't take clothing off with someone else's child.

[Paul Scheer]

Look at this, look at this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Ready?

[June Diane Raphael]

Whip skin. Feels like a girl. Maybe he is a girl.

[Paul Scheer]

Listen to me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Look at how tender grabbing him like.

[Paul Scheer]

Look at how tender this is. Yeah, you tongue.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is illegal what he's doing.

[Paul Scheer]

What is happening? Come on, buddy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Come on. Break his arm.

[Paul Scheer]

Can you go to the next one? Okay? I want you to watch this next one as if it's a sex scene, okay? I just want to put that in your heads. Okay. As if Stallone is watching a sex scene. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, the faces, the arm wrestling faces.

[June Diane Raphael]

He said he was strong.

[Paul Scheer]

My boy was just feeling generous. Now it's time to go to work. Am I? He's a pimp. He's a pimp. It's time to go to work, kid.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

This kid will think he can take me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't think so. One last joke through the table this time. Smash him, Richie.

[Paul Scheer]

This is gonna hurt. Wimp.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What do you think of that?

[June Diane Raphael]

I think your breath stinks. Go.

[Paul Scheer]

Come on, Mike. Come on. That's good, Mike. Come on, Mike. Come on. Hold him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Drop the weight. Hold him, Tom.

[Paul Scheer]

You got him, Mike.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You got him, you got him, you got him, you got him, you got him. You got him. You got him, you got him.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, way to go.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Come on, one more time.

[Paul Scheer]

Let's go, Mike. Right away. Let's go. Let's. Right away. Right away.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Break your arm.

[Paul Scheer]

Get mad. Get mad. Ready? Puppet kid.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Come on, Mike.

[Paul Scheer]

Listen first and say puppet Mike. Over the top. The power mic. The power mic. All right. Way to go. Tough little sucker, aren't you? That was great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That was great.

[Paul Scheer]

Pay up now.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Money.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Look at that. Make them pay up.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, come on, please.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So much like this. If you re. If you edited the trailer, you could make this boy's life like it. It could be like an abusive dad relationship. You could really cut a good trailer.

[Paul Scheer]

Pump it. Pump it, kid.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What kid?

[Paul Scheer]

No. When I shout pump it, kid to your son.

[June Diane Raphael]

When I was a kid. Yes, when I was a kid. This is a true story. When I was a kid, I was hanging out with three of my buddies in front of a photo map Matt and.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh.

[June Diane Raphael]

And his pulls up with his dad and was like, you were making fun of my son. He's gonna kick the out of you. And his dad sat there while we all tried to fight his son. And at one point his son was losing and he kicked my friend Eric. And like I remember then being like that's not right. And I was shocked.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is not right.

[Paul Scheer]

Just for legal purposes that allegedly happened.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let's kiss. Also say that Eric was probably wearing an illegal glove, you know, so he made. You could kick a kid if he's wearing the wrong fighting gear.

[June Diane Raphael]

But it's. You don't. You don't go. You don't touch kids.

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[Bobby Moynihan]

You also don't ask them to fight each other.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, but imagine, like. Imagine pitching this now. Like. Yeah, so then there's a scene where they go into the diner and. And he. You know, Stallone sees a bunch of kids. He's like, yeah, fight these kids. No one would ever go, like, wait, wait. What happens in this movie?

[June Diane Raphael]

Those men menacing, badass kids. One guy does not have a forehead. He looks like the dude from Christmas Story. He's got that hair. But he says, I should kill this guy, right? He goes, I don't know, man. That's his one contribution as a crony, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's arm wrestling. He doesn't have any personal interest in this kid. If all of a. I'll kill him. Why?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, because you were just playing Super.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Mario Brothers a second ago.

[June Diane Raphael]

Not even Super Mario Brothers, just Mario Brothers.

[Paul Scheer]

And the thing is, like, everybody. It's as if this movie exists in a world in which everybody cannot wait to arm wrestle. A world in which everybody. Are you okay, ma'?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Am?

[Paul Scheer]

Are you okay? She's going over. She just went like this. It is very unsettling for me. It's with. Everybody is just, like, ready, ready to jump off and arm wrestle. Like, that's how it's gonna go down.

[Bobby Moynihan]

That is the feeling. Like people are having conversations, and you can see in their eyes like, it's only a matter of time.

[June Diane Raphael]

Did you have. Did you have a moment, though, in the montage when they go towards the end of, like, of all the arm wrestlers? And then all of a sudden, it cuts to, like, one, like, kind of hot lady with, like, a bedband. She's cracking her finger. I don't know why, but, like, I gagged. I was like, yeah, I don't know why.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, they made a big deal, too, out of that. There is a ladies bracket, but we never really see it.

[Bobby Moynihan]

No, you take the first shot, the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

First time you see the woman, she's like, boom. And then that ends our women's final. I was like, wait, we didn't even see it.

[Paul Scheer]

I would love. I bet the director's cut has, like, an hour of lady female arm wrestling just topless and the one shot. And if it doesn't, I'm shooting it later. So talk to me, ladies.

[June Diane Raphael]

The one shot of the guy whose arm actually pops out.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, just randomly, they were like, hey, that guy's fucking arm broke. We should throw that in the movie, too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Tape it. Tape it. But it's like, this movie is so clear. It was like, we need a movie that has, like, more sweat than Rocky and as much drama as Rambo. It's like, it's got a.

[Paul Scheer]

And it's a competition that anybody can do because we'll ignite an arm wrestling craze across the country.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I had the over the top arm wrestling toy. The over the top toy was just like a little platform with a red and blue, like, elbow holder, and you would just arm wrestle.

[Paul Scheer]

Was there an arm.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

Was there an arm on it?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, no. You'd have to get a friend. You have to have a friend or an adult man.

[Paul Scheer]

Adult man not included. Well, you're pedophile. Not include. Included.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love the part, like, it gets to the finals, when he's getting to the finals, and go. And now we're bringing out our referees, and there's like 15 of them. It's arm wrestling. How many? Be like, how many? I like. There's more refs in this scene than there are at a Major League baseball game. There's like, two feet of coverage. It's like, what it touches or it doesn't. That's it. Meanwhile, when he headbutts them, that's not illegal. That.

[Bobby Moynihan]

That's totally fine. We're leading to this point where, you know, they meet each other halfway and he shows up at the restaurant.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm really pushing this as an alternate title.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Mike shows up, the young son. And what's so weird about it is it feels like he really wanted to know for sure that the dad sent those letters, that Sylvester Stallone sent those letters. But through the rest of the movie before that, he never seems to doubt it or even mention. Like, I don't think you did, dad. And then the climax of the movie is him finding the letters and then getting to Vegas.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They write the read letters. Basically. He's like, oh, you did write letters. Now I love you. You're the best. Like, that's it. Like, the 10 years doesn't matter.

[Paul Scheer]

Or the fact that you made me miss my mom's death while bro ing out with me. That's the thing that the movie is basically predicated on the fact that because father and son needed some bro down time the kid missed the mom's life.

[June Diane Raphael]

And he's really not upset about it. When he's like, the one woman tells the doctor, and the doctor's like, I'll handle this. I'm a doctor.

[Paul Scheer]

This is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you guys want it?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, good, good, good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You want to see how Stallone takes.

[June Diane Raphael]

His wife's reaction is pretty shitty.

[Paul Scheer]

This. This whole thing is pretty awesome.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, Here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

Mr. Hawk.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hawk, I'm sorry.

[June Diane Raphael]

Your wife died this afternoon in the operating room. Oh, man. Oh, shoot. My wife died. Oh, now I gotta tell this kid the worst block ever.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, God, I can't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This kid runs away at any sign of trouble all the time. There is so much runaway, but his.

[June Diane Raphael]

Pants never fall down because he's got suspenders.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I like that his dress up. But he's like, hey, look, when I'm out on the road with you not wearing the suspenders, pick you up from school. Suspenders on. Go visit my crazy wife who's dying of cancer. Suspenders. Go on.

[Paul Scheer]

Those are dress suspenders.

[Bobby Moynihan]

They're still married, officially. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

People said the audience is, like, invested in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

Of course, June. Of course, June. We're the audience. We know that they're still married.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my. I also wanted to just play the quick scene of why Stallone turns the hat. Obviously.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. Well, inexplicably, in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

At this.

[Paul Scheer]

At this point in the movie, it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Just becomes a documentary.

[Paul Scheer]

There becomes documentary footage. There is, like, footage of what's bull and everybody. And Hawk, that is, like.

[June Diane Raphael]

It turns into the office.

[Paul Scheer]

They're just talking to camera in a candid, like, confessional moment.

[June Diane Raphael]

Mindy Kaling wrote that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's why I love, like, Stallone is a good actor because there's one scene, like, he's nervous in front of the camera. So, like, the first time, they're like, why do you want to win? He's like, I don't like the truck. You know, he's like, so, like, shy. I was like, yeah, acting. But here he's getting a little bit more familiar with the camera, so he's a little bit less. Here we go. Here we go, Stallone. Why does he flip his hat?

[Paul Scheer]

What I do is I. I just try to take my hat and I turn it around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person. I feel.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Who's editing this.

[Paul Scheer]

I feel like a. Like a truck, like a machine, you know?

[June Diane Raphael]

That was improvised. Yeah, you know, that was improvised. You can see it in his eyes. You know that. I know I gotta say machine, but there's a machine right behind me. I want to point to that machine. Cause that's like me.

[Paul Scheer]

Did you guys see what I just did?

[June Diane Raphael]

He's so proud of himself.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's so psyched that he's like that machine. That's why he's staring at that machine. He's in love with it because he is it like real steel. He is a robot.

[Paul Scheer]

He loves the machine more than he loves anybody in this movie. I am obsessed with the arm wrestling arm cozy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

That he wears throughout the arm wrestling scenario.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's kind of on his elbow area.

[Paul Scheer]

And it is oftentimes on and off and on and off. Like, completely. Like, there was absolutely no continuity and no script supervisor in this.

[June Diane Raphael]

No continuity whatsoever. But then when he says, cutler's upstairs, he wants to talk to you, he's like, hey, how long do I have before I fight? 30 minutes. He's like, okay, well, I have time.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Like, they really took the time to make sure the audience knew that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's got at least 30 minutes, 25.

[June Diane Raphael]

Minutes to win an arm wrestling company.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're not going to abuse these guys. Yeah, they're going to arm wrestle. Yeah. They're gonna get tired. They're gonna get a break. A nice break. And there's a guy back there with a big back massager who'll just do it. Like.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's just sitting there getting his back massaged by a guy.

[Bobby Moynihan]

There's a whole, like, triage area.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then the adopter's, like, touching his bicep's, like, yeah, yeah, that's good. Okay. Yeah, yeah, you're good. You're good to go.

[June Diane Raphael]

We haven't brought.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's touching with your finger in the. Yeah, that biceps together. Yeah, there's no tear there.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep, yep.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No.

[Paul Scheer]

This feels like. You know what this feels like is it feels like a man's arm. Okay, so you're good to go.

[June Diane Raphael]

We haven't brought up the fact that before arm wrestling matches, your trainer slaps you in the fucking face as hard as he can over and over and over again.

[Paul Scheer]

Everybody who is in this movie, they were like, okay, if you are a big, beefy guy with a giant beard, you're in. Great news. One caveat.

[Bobby Moynihan]

You got the part.

[Paul Scheer]

A fat slob is gonna slap you in the face a of bunch. So that's part of the movie.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, but is it gonna make you want to win arm wrestling?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

None of these guys were training Effectively, because one guy eats a full cigar, a lit full cigar, before the arm wrestling, which gotta hurt, like, no matter how much. Like, he's like, he just sucks it down and then wins, you know, he's a good arm.

[Paul Scheer]

And there's the guy that drinks the Valvoline. Like, same guy. Same. Oh, it's the same guy. Oh, my God.

[June Diane Raphael]

That had to happen.

[Paul Scheer]

Frizzly. Grizzly. Are you telling me Grizzly ate a cigar and a motor oil?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, bro.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, boy. I bet that was his idea. Hey, get me an edible cigar.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

Just.

[June Diane Raphael]

Hey, I want to do some regular cigar. Good people at Alka Seltzer, that had to be, like, written. That had to be. Somebody from Alkazelter was like, we got it. Somebody's gonna drink Motorola. They were like, we know the guy. His name's Grizzly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And now people try to go to album all the time. Like, no, we got burned on over the Top. We're not. We're not doing this again, just so you know. Another little fact about the movie. John Wheaton, the lead singer of the rock group Asia originally sang Winner Takes it all for the Movie. But after performing the song, Stallone said his voice wasn't mean enough, so they switched him out with Sammy Hagar.

[Paul Scheer]

Amazing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And Stallone joined in too.

[Bobby Moynihan]

He did?

[Paul Scheer]

Really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

That is awesome.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, I got this. I got this. Asia, you're a bunch of pussies. Me and Sammy Hagar are gonna take the reins of this song. I. I feel like there's a lot of stuff to talk about, but I feel like maybe the audience has some questions. I want to go out to the audience and see if you have some questions. Raise your hands and I'm gonna come to you, and we'll see if we missed anything. You're applauding. You don't even know the questions yet. All right, your name, your favorite Stallone movie, and your question. Go ahead. Andre's favorite Stallone movie. It's gotta be over the top. I wanna know why. The main guy, the main bad guy, he lost. He's been winning five years in a row. So that means the prize is $100,000 each year, maybe. And a truck each year, maybe. So he should have five trucks and at least $500,000. That is a very good point.

[Paul Scheer]

But wait is your question. Why is he still in it? Because he hasn't beat Lincoln Hawk.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No way. But he doesn't know about him.

[Paul Scheer]

When they're announcing.

[June Diane Raphael]

When they're.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When they're announcing, everybody's where they're from. They're like, that guy, he's from the main division. And Hawk is from the amateur underground. Hawk is from the trucker division. And somehow he's an. He's an unknown, but yet this guy goes to like, random diners to scout find him. So. And it's like definitely 20 to 1 with really low odds for the guy, the champion of the sport, to be like, yeah, I gotta go get this guy.

[Paul Scheer]

Bull shows up and is like, when. When he wants to. When he holds the kid's hand in that bar and is like, let's just get this over with now. Let's not wait till Vegas.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like there is a perhaps he doesn't.

[Paul Scheer]

Want to wait till Vegas because he's like, I won this shit.

[June Diane Raphael]

I don't want to play pay insurance on another person.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How winning number one is his only thing in life. And being number two sucks. And there's no. But then he head butts the loan. But then when he loses, he's like, okay, and he raises the loan.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I noticed that too. He seemed to take it rather well.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, you know what? I have a theory on that. Their hands were tied together, so Stallone, in his victory, had to to pull up his hand. It was like a puppety.

[Paul Scheer]

He took the initiative.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He takes the initiative.

[Paul Scheer]

He's like, all right, he's the winner.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I will say, look, after you make your first $500,000 things go away. I got. I'm gonna go over here. What's your name, your favorite part of this movie, and your question?

[Bobby Moynihan]

My name is Gabby. And my favorite part of this movie is probably the music and the amazing ballads. But I just have to mention that the song Son's Name is Mike Hawk.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Standing ovation, Standing ovation, Standing ovation. I would. I'd also like to point out my.

[June Diane Raphael]

Picture with her real quick.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

His name also might be Mike Hawks. So, yes, your name, your favorite Stallone moment in this film or Robert Loggia moment in your question?

[Bobby Moynihan]

My name is Julia. My favorite moment is the montage where they're working out against the truck.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The backlit montage.

[Bobby Moynihan]

That looks like a great workout, that truck workout.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's a machine. It's a machine.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Okay, my question is. So in the scene that you showed earlier where he's arm wrestling the kid, the kid says, kid, if I lost to you, I'd kill myself. And then loses to him. So do you think that kid killed himself?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, I do.

[June Diane Raphael]

I do too.

[Paul Scheer]

What would be amazing is if you found that actor and did a. A movie now that was about his Character having been trying to kill himself for years.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I also like the movie.

[Paul Scheer]

It started with that scene and it just followed him home. And all he does is try and kill himself over and over and over again.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like Groundhog Day. Your name. How would you. How would you appeal to your son if you hadn't seen him in 10 years? And your question, one line that you would say to your son when you picked him up from military school. Here you go. My name's Bobby.

[June Diane Raphael]

I would say what Stallone said, would.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Say, you have to win, but then you can lose as long as you lose like a winner. All right, good. I like it. You took it from the film. I like it. My question is if anyone noticed that Robert Loje's goon was also the really crazy hot head bouncer from Roadhouse with.

[Paul Scheer]

The exact same facial hair and the exact same perm. It was like the guy that gets the guy that gets fired.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, well, that's how he got there. How to ended up he worked for another old man. These are just. Just beefy dudes who work for old men who intimidate very strong men like Robert Loa. And who is that? And the other guy, Ben Gazara. They're like, oh, we got to intimidate a nice, really well fit 30 year old. We need goons. And then his only job is to talk tough and then get his ass kicked. You know, in like one moment where he gets Stallone throws him through a door. So with so much ease.

[Paul Scheer]

And the door explodes. That's not the door. Like the wood is implodes into like splinters.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's not Terry Funk. Right? Terry Funk's in this. But that. Is that him?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't know. I don't. I don't know the actor's name. Someone says that is Terry Funk. It is Terry Funk.

[Paul Scheer]

Hey, you're Terry Funk. What if it was Terry Funk?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right.

[June Diane Raphael]

What if it was Tom?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Terry Funk is here. If Terry Funk is here. That would be a.

[Paul Scheer]

If you bring Terry Funk to a live. How did this get made? You both get in free.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Your name. Why you think the mom didn't show the letters to her son? And your question. Here we go.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Hi, my name is Leanne and I have to go with June's theory that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She'S just in a.

[Bobby Moynihan]

And this really isn't a question. It's just from earlier. The movie that beat this in the box office was Platoon Number one.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Nice look at that coming. Well researched.

[June Diane Raphael]

Did you know that or did you?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank you. Who has a really good question? Put two hands up. You have a really good question. Oh, this guy immediately beards both. Two guys with beards. Two hands up. Let's see.

[Paul Scheer]

Take their questions first. They're cool.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

These guys are former arm wrestlers. All right, your name. Would you be called it if you were an arm wrestler in your question? Go.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, man, this is a lot of pressure for my question now. I'm Rob. My name would probably.

[Paul Scheer]

Be the beard taken. I already took it.

[June Diane Raphael]

I was always confused because they introduced Bull as having been undefeated. But it seems like. And I'm not sure that the match. They're double elimination.

[Guest]

Right.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay, so doesn't Bull only lose once?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I had that theory, too. I think the double elimination only exists until you're in the finals. Finals, all bets are off. Then it is single elimination.

[Paul Scheer]

But wouldn't Stallone have to beat him twice?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's what I thought, but I think when you're in the finals.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Yeah, the finals. The double elimination is only until the.

[Paul Scheer]

Finals in my mind. Now, Stallone and Bull have both lost once.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Yeah, that's right. But now we're in the finals.

[Paul Scheer]

No, Bull hasn't lost before the finals.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Bobby Moynihan]

It doesn't matter.

[Paul Scheer]

It doesn't matter. In the finals.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Says somebody very boldly but does not know. All right. It's very unexplained. Here we go. This is your name. You also have a beard.

[Guest]

So what would be your wrestling.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Your arm wrestling name and your question?

[Paul Scheer]

My name is Peter. Presumably my name would be something like Junkyard Muldoon or one of these sort of generic tough guy names. He's thought of this.

[June Diane Raphael]

He's thought of it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I can't wait.

[Paul Scheer]

I have time between me and the other beard. Junkyard Muldoon. If he asks, I'm gonna say Junkyard Muldoon. I'm gonna say Junkyard McGillicuddy. No, man, you should say Junkyard Muldoon.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I like Junkyard Muldoon.

[June Diane Raphael]

That's pretty sweet.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Also a character in Platoon. Here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

It also looks like in that same hotel, there's some sort of trade show going on. You mean the hell, when they're looking for the kid. The Duracell battery. The two henchmen are looking at an abandoned Duracell battery display.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I thought about that. I thought that Duracell was just getting into a very niche market.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They're like, guys, we need to send some reps out to the Hilton. These arm wrestlers, they're driving their trucks. They're listening to their Walkmans. They need Duracells in there.

[Paul Scheer]

That's what I thought. I thought that too. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right, we have time for one more question. One more good question.

[Paul Scheer]

This better be fucking good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here we go. Your name and your question. That's it. I'm having to give you a middle question. Here you go.

[June Diane Raphael]

Okay. My name's Natalie and my question is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Where does Stallone get all the T.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Shirts that he changes in the final wrestling scene?

[June Diane Raphael]

And it culminates. And it culminates in a boat neck.

[Bobby Moynihan]

New York T shirt. Like a baby tee.

[Paul Scheer]

Is it really a boat neck or is it more of a scoop neck?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He seemingly has no affiliation to New York.

[June Diane Raphael]

June seems really shocked by this.

[Bobby Moynihan]

I am.

[June Diane Raphael]

I wish you could see the look on her face.

[Bobby Moynihan]

You're right. He changes probably like seven times.

[June Diane Raphael]

He also lets his kid drive a truck.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When the kid say, by the way, we didn't even talk about that scene. The kid's like, you know, you're a truck driver. You're not even smarter than a 13 year old. And he's like, drive the truck. What does that prove? Like, well, how does that, how does that prove intelligence? He's like, I could drive a truck. I'm super smart.

[Paul Scheer]

And you know what the kid does?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's not like he's in trouble for about two and a half seconds.

[Paul Scheer]

It's not even like the kid can't do it. And he's like, see, not so dumb after all. The kid masters it almost instantly. Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

And then he's like, open her up, man, open her up.

[Paul Scheer]

The kid showed up in like, see, this isn't so easy, you fucking dummy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, by the way, that truck is kind of magical because when the kid does get kidnapped, he jumps, you know, Stallone jumps into his fucking semi truck and immediately gets it up to speed to go into a high speed car chase. Also that doesn't happen.

[Paul Scheer]

Wasn't he towing something at that point?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think he dropped the load. We didn't see that.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You heard me. He dropped a load.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, him and the kid? Yeah, they dropped a load. Yeah, together.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

By the way, another bad fathering example. He slams that other car. His kid is inside of it. Yeah, he runs good.

[Paul Scheer]

He runs a truck off the road with his son in it and then.

[June Diane Raphael]

Pretty much leaves the truck behind.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, and his son, by the way, is like a mile ahead in a.

[June Diane Raphael]

Truck going, dad, dad, I believe he says he's coming. Like the guys are like, yeah, we know he's chasing us.

[Paul Scheer]

How about, this is crazy. When he first picks the kid up the scene where the kid tries to run away from him and it's like Frogger into traffic.

[June Diane Raphael]

Cut to a grown man in traffic.

[Paul Scheer]

Across and the kid causes a pile up. Like cars are like, like craziness and they're like, get back in the truck.

[June Diane Raphael]

No, that's not his reaction. His reaction is a chest hold from behind up against a light pole while he. He slowly backs up towards the light pole so that he can hold his son and calm him down.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. I'm good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm good.

[June Diane Raphael]

People are dying 10ft away.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Obviously we had some opinions about this movie, but there are some people who think differently. These are five star reviews. Cold from Amazon. It's time for a second opinion. Okay. These are pretty great.

[Guest]

All right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't even know where to. Okay. Oh, man. All right, here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

All right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just gotta find the best way to start them because they're so long. Okay, let's try this one. I have to admit, I still cry every time I see the scene where Mike loses the arm wrestling match at the truck stop pinball machine. I'm embarrassed to admit that I had three broken noses from reenacting the final scene of the movie with my brother John. What a scene.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Wait, three broken noses? So three different times they tried to reenact that scene.

[June Diane Raphael]

This was a three nosed boy that wrote this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hawk was facing elimination and pulls through to beat Bull while Jason Cutler looks on and finally realizes that Hawk is. Is a super dad. By the way, Michael Cutler.

[Paul Scheer]

Jason Cutler.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's Michael Cutler. Unless that's Robert.

[Paul Scheer]

That's Robert Loa's character. Thank you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I still resent John to this day for always being Bull and making me be Hawk every time. He would always trick me. Now he's talking about his brother. He would always trick me and tell me, but Brian, you get to be Hawk. You win the truck. If I had to do it again, I'd still be Lincoln Hawk. I recommend this movie to anyone who's an arm wrestler.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Nobody is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Or a friend of an arm wrestler.

[Paul Scheer]

Which is basically all of us.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Which basically everyone.

[June Diane Raphael]

Which is just an arm wrestler. And the dude who slaps that dude in the face.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Brian. Five stars. Mike265 writes, I'm 22 years old now and I was 10 when the movie came out. When it came out on video, I watched it over and over and over again. Nevertheless, the tape got worn out and I have not had a chance to buy a new copy. But I will, you know.

[Paul Scheer]

Hey, Mike265. It's available on Netflix Yeah.

[June Diane Raphael]

Also that means he wrote this in 1999.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, this is.

[Paul Scheer]

It's also possible that when he was registering at Amazon, he was like, Mike. Wait, that's taken. Mike 1.

[June Diane Raphael]

Huh?

[Paul Scheer]

Mike 2. Weird. Mike 3, 19 9. Oh, come on. Wait a minute here. Mike 256. Wait, really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It gets better. He goes. I will let you know that I've also went through some of the things that Lincoln Hawk went through with his son Mike. With my daughter in New York and I in California to better myself. Having trouble with the mother, not letting me talk to her or my family see her. But I still send her birthday, Christmas, Easter presents to her anyway. Cuz it makes me feel closer to her and the movie Mike bumming me out.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait, he sends her the presents because it makes him feel comfortable. Closer to the movie? Yes, makes me feel closer to her and the movie. I'm gonna send her this Easter present because fuck it, I gotta feel close to my top right now.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not the three big holidays. Birthday, Christmas and Easter. Like birthday, Christmas, big Easter is kind of a weird.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I wouldn't say that's a weird one.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Brittany B. Writes, I bought this DVD for my boyfriend who arm wrestles professionally.

[Paul Scheer]

What?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, before I dated him, I didn't even know a thing existed. Anyway, I got it for him for his birthday and he kept dropping subtle hints of wanting the movie on DVD cause his VHS version had seen better days.

[Paul Scheer]

Wait, is she dating the guy from the first response who wore out the.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Tattoo dating my T shirts?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Maybe. People who just love this movie only own VHS machines in their trucks.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's impossible to find anywhere.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, it is. You can't, by the way.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's really hard to find over the top. I spent the last four days looking for it.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh my God, it's on Amazon.

[June Diane Raphael]

You can't find it like in the store.

[Paul Scheer]

It's on Netflix.

[June Diane Raphael]

Is it on Netflix? I'm just Netflix.

[Paul Scheer]

Watch Instinct, guys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Upon receiving his gift. Upon receiving his gift, you would have thought I had given him the world. He bragged about this gift to all of his friends and fellow arm wrestling acquaintances.

[Bobby Moynihan]

He's not ready to call those guys friends.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He said. He said the quality of the DVD was excellent. The only complaint he had was there were no special features other than the original movie trailer.

[Paul Scheer]

And for that he beats me mercilessly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Brittany B. Five fucking stars. Holy shit. There's some serious emotions going on in here.

[Paul Scheer]

This movie brings up a lot of emotions for people.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Would you guys recommend seeing this on Netflix or Amazon? 100% yeah, yeah, it's pretty great. It's, it's a lesser known Stallone. I. It's. It's funny because you'll never see a movie structured this way either because it really is like the first 20 minutes is like just a father son road pick. And then the last 70 are just arm wrestling.

[June Diane Raphael]

It's also a movie they can't make anymore.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You could never make a movie like.

[June Diane Raphael]

Where you take a kid somewhere and make him watch you wrestleman.

[Bobby Moynihan]

You've tried. You've tried.

[June Diane Raphael]

I've tried. It's impossible. I want a fucking truck though.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would actually love like, it would be like, you know, Stallone is doing the sequels to everything now. I would love to see this movie now, like 20 years later. It is Son and Hawk or Hawk and Son, whatever they decided on.

[Paul Scheer]

And Michael, Michael is an arm wrestling amateur. He's like rising through the ranks.

[June Diane Raphael]

I just want the movie to be called over the tippy top. Real bad. Just really bad. He's got a kid too. And now the baby's gonna arm wrestle too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's on the baby arm wrestling circ, man.

[June Diane Raphael]

Just a little tiny baby crib and he's just.

[Paul Scheer]

If the baby can't ever. Can't ever actually hold something.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What if he had a baby that had no fingers?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, little rabbit hands.

[Paul Scheer]

Probably give it up for adoption. Kid can't do it.

[June Diane Raphael]

Yeah. He would just leave. He would just leave and then somebody else in his life would die and he would show up late to their funeral.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Bull is sitting in his palatial half a million dollar house. We must get Hawk's son. Grandson.

[Bobby Moynihan]

Yeah. Truly. I hope Bull's not driving trucks anymore.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Bull doesn't. There was one version. Cause I was listening closely. But there's the truckers, there's the teamsters. Bull may have been like a lawyer for all we know.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, the strongest lawyer. Yep.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm gonna win this case. Ripping law books the neck.

[Paul Scheer]

And representing the defendant, Bull Goldstein. Your honor.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Take this stand and I'll bat your fucking head into it. Cause you own you.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm gonna rip your fucking arm off. The defense rests.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

One of the only does child custody cases. He only does child custody. The cases now. Well, guys, you have been a great audience. Thank you, subculture New York. Thank you everybody that's here. Thank you to Bobby Moy.

[June Diane Raphael]

Oh, thank you.

[Bobby Moynihan]

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