Shoot 'Em Up

Summary

Podcast Summary: How Did This Get Made? – “Shoot ‘Em Up”
Hosts: Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
Release Date: February 27, 2026
Movie Discussed: Shoot ‘Em Up (2007)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the HDTGM crew dives headfirst into the 2007 gonzo action movie Shoot ‘Em Up, in which mysterious drifter Mr. Smith (Clive Owen) delivers a baby in a shootout and then must protect it from an army of gunmen, all led by Paul Giamatti’s unhinged villain. The choice of film came courtesy of the HDTGM Discord, after a controversial fan vote. The trio unpacks the film’s relentless violence, cartoon logic, lactation-themed kink, and why, despite its wild swings, they all ended up loving it.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Discord Drama: How the Film Was Chosen

• Rigging and Gerrymandering: The hosts speculate (jokingly) that behind-the-scenes manipulation (“old school Chicago style” — [03:29]) may have led to Shoot ’Em Up winning the Discord vote over The Core.
• Fan Manipulation: Fans seemingly tried to “manufacture a tie” (Paul, [13:04]) to get both films covered, but the hosts opted for the shorter, more watchable choice.
  • “We are going to be redistricting the Discord.” – Paul, [05:12]
• Discord Selection Process: The hosts themselves culled the suggested movies and then let the Discord vote, leading to a final tie at 473 votes each for Shoot ‘Em Up and The Core ([14:10]).

2. Is Shoot ‘Em Up the Right Kind of Bad?

• Self-Awareness Debate:
  • Jason: “This feels more to me in the vein of Face/Off…we are not pointing out the joke, the movie is in on the joke.” – [10:47]
  • Paul: “Thank God it got made…maybe I'm wrong.” – [10:41]
• The trio agree this isn’t just “bad”—it’s intentionally outrageous, bordering on parody. It’s “Bugs Bunny with bullets.”

3. The Film’s Tone: Cartoons Meet Carnage

• Cartoon Violence:
  • “The violence is so cartoony as to feel like it has no consequence” – Jason, [09:24]
• Clive Owen eats carrots constantly (“Never ending carrots” – Jason, [53:04]), and uses them to kill people—clear Looney Tunes homage.

4. Breast Milk Boot Camp: The Movie’s Lactation Obsession

• Lactation & Kink: Monica Bellucci plays a sex worker whose clientele centers on lactation fetish. The plot is fixated on feeding the baby and the logistics/fetishization of breast milk.
  • June: “Is lactating a thing? ... Put it on a T-shirt: ‘The less I know about men, the better’” – [21:29]
• Memorable Scene: Giamatti’s villain orders, “Find me every wet nurse, lactating hooker and mammary on tap in the city.” (Paul reads line, [21:22])
• The group discusses the logistics and discomfort of her brothel’s “rubber wall” kink room and Monica Bellucci’s performance.

5. Performances: Clive Owen and Paul Giamatti

• Clive Owen’s Ambiguous Hero:
  • Paul: “People coming in are like… if he’s in it, is it funny? Is it serious?” [18:30]
  • Jason: “He’s the Bugs Bunny character, but there is no wink.” [33:36]
• Giamatti’s Villain:
  • Paul: “When I say there’s a fearless performance going on here for Paul Giamatti—that scene [groping the dead mom] … it’s…” [31:41]
  • Jason admires Giamatti’s juggling of grotesque villainy and henpecked husband bits ([32:18]).

6. Plot Logic & Movie Absurdities

• Baby Handling:
  • Clive Owen’s “football hold” and decision to drop the baby on a merry-go-round in the sun have the panel cringing for its safety ([39:46]).
  • Discussion of “baby surrender boxes” and “baby automats” as potential (but not actual) solutions ([40:15]).
• Farcical Action Logic:
  • Shootouts defy physics (slide-fighting, airborne gun battles).
  • Home Alone–level booby traps at a gun factory—but how did he get all those loaded guns? ([50:26])
  • Bullets fried in a fireplace for a final shootout ([52:27]).

7. Best Scenes & Set Pieces

• Sex Scene During Shootout:
  • “The sex scene is absolutely incredible… Not only do they not stop, they escalate the sex.” (Jason [44:31])
  • June: “She’s like, little death, big death—doesn’t matter.” [46:25]
• Opening Sequence:
  • Baby delivered with a shot from a gun to cut the umbilical cord ([28:04])—“I am in.” (Paul)
• Skydiving Gunfight & Car Chase:
  • Clive Owen slides from one vehicle to another, often defying death and logic ([51:23]).

8. Thematic Underpinnings

• Gun Control Satire:
  • Jason notes, “One of the central themes is gun control in a movie that is wall-to-wall guns.” ([34:26])
• Masculinity Parody:
  • June: “It’s a really interesting portrayal of masculinity.” ([38:32])—debates why Clive Owen never wears a front-carry baby Bjorn.

9. Critical and Commercial Reception

• Box Office Flop:
  • Budget: $39M; grossed only $27M worldwide ([59:45]).
  • Rotten Tomatoes ~65%; “Not a hit in any way” (Paul [59:45]).
  • Marketing problems: infamously misread “bulletproof stroller” ad on YouTube ([60:42]).
• Underappreciated Legacy:
  • Jason: “Deserves to be celebrated in the same way as Fast and Furious movies… this is that, only better in many instances.” ([61:32])
  • The director, Michael Davis, never made another big movie despite this stylish, energetic effort ([61:54]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On Clive Owen’s Appeal:
  “Clive Owen, good career. Interesting… He’s so good.” – Paul, [69:27]

• On the Sex Scene:
  “She’s like, little death, big death—it doesn’t matter.” – June, [46:25]

• On Discord Manipulation:
  “We’re going to be redistricting the Discord.” – Paul, [05:12]
  “If I had the ability to unplug the Discord, I would, I would just straightaway do it.” – Jason, [15:41]

• On the Film’s Bugs Bunny Tone:
  “This is kind of Bugs Bunny. I love Clive Owen. He’s great.” – Paul, [19:11]
  “The man’s eating a fucking carrot… neverending carrots!” – Jason, [53:04]

• On Cartoony Action:
  “He covers like a seal over a mile and a half… sliding and shooting.” – Jason, [39:01]

• On Giamatti’s Performance:
  “When I say there’s a fearless performance going on here for Paul Giamatti, like, what he is doing is… that scene.” – Paul, [31:41]

• On Absurdities:
  “Do you think the kids will know what an automat is?” – Jason, [40:46]
  “I would love to know what your dreams were like in that half hour.” – Jason, after June watched at 7 AM and napped, [68:30]

• On Gun Control Satire:
  “This is a gun control movie. Also the theme of this, one of the central themes is gun control in a movie that is wall to wall guns.” – Jason, [34:26]

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Favorite and Most Memorable Segments (with Timestamps)

• Intro and Discord Voting Chaos – [01:26]–[16:53]
• The Lactation Kink / Brothel Scenes Deep Dive – [17:01]–[31:41]
• Sex Scene Shootout Breakdown – [44:31]–[46:28]
• Skydiving Gunfight & Home Alone Gun Factory – [51:11]–[52:27]
• Debate about Discord and “Is This a Bad Movie?” – [62:14]–[63:13]

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Tone and Atmosphere

Hilarious, irreverent, and critical, with a loving appreciation for cinematic weirdness.

• June brings feminist scrutiny and curiosity about kink, breastfeeding logistics, and masculine archetypes.
• Jason heightens the absurdisms with enthusiasm, points out logic holes, and loves the film’s cartoon physics.
• Paul offers behind-the-scenes tidbits, context on the film’s release, and acts as the group’s moderator.

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Final Thoughts & Recommendations

All three hosts surprisingly loved Shoot ‘Em Up, despite (or thanks to) its excesses. They shelve any serious criticism, embracing its gonzo logic, relentless pace, and iconic performances.

• “A God. This got made iconique.” – June, [69:24]
• Recommendation: Watch it as a sendup and celebration of action tropes, not as a “bad” movie.

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For Further Listener Engagement

• “Let us know about what’s happening with lactating women. Use your expertise so we don’t unplug… the Discord.” – Paul, [70:53]
• Second Opinions: Called out wild Amazon reviews to highlight audience split on the movie ([63:50])

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In Closing:
If you’ve never seen Shoot ‘Em Up, this episode makes clear you’re in for 90 minutes of surreal action, awkward kinks, and self-aware absurdities. The hosts have as much fun roasting and celebrating it as you will just hearing about the wildest action set pieces ever conceived.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Paul Shear]

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[Jason Manzoukas]

Eh, what's up G? Glock.

[Paul Shear]

We saw Shoot him up, so you know what that means.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Now it's time for failure.

[Paul Shear]

Not just being a hater catch.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You know, let's follow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the

[Paul Shear]

question how did this get made? Hello people of Earth, and welcome to how did this Get Made How? Where we deconstruct bad movies normally picked by us but today picked by you. That's right. The listeners voted and they decided that we would talk about a movie that I think is criminally underrated from 2007, a film called Shoot Em up about a man named Mr. Smith who delivers a woman's baby during a shootout and then is called upon to protect the newborn from an army of gunmen. I mean, that is the plot. And this movie is insane and I love it. And we're going to break it all down here today with my two co hosts. Please welcome. Jason Manzoukas and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Wow. I mean, incredible.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah. Actually, knowing that this was picked from the Discord, the elusive Discord, I didn't even know where the Discord is, to be quite honest. But knowing. Who knows where the Discord lives? But knowing this picture in the Discord, I'm like, this is a. This is a gift for us.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

From the.

[Jason Manzoukas]

By the way, this is the first time I'll say that the Discord has done something right. You know, I feel like every other time I've heard about the Discord, it is. It is to say, disconnect the Discord, which I still believe. I say shut it down firmly.

[Paul Shear]

But.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But in this instance, and maybe forever, in this single instance of, you know, a clock is right, a broken clock is right twice a day. That's that. This is. This is one of them.

[Paul Shear]

So.

[Jason Manzoukas]

So wait, what. What did they make us watch the last time?

[Paul Shear]

They made us watch A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which. Which we were. Which we really the worst. Now, here's what I'm gonna say. There was some manipulation here. Now, I have. I have some issues, but I'm gonna talk about the manipulation first.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Wait, it was rigged.

[Paul Shear]

Well, I believe it was rigged because if you watch his Discord.

[June Diane Rayfield]

This is so classic Discord.

[Paul Shear]

Yes. Because stop this steal.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Stop the steal. Or maybe don't stop. Stop this deal. If this was rigged. There are some situations. It's sort of like I remember, you know, when Eric Holder came out here, we go ahead with Barack Obama to, like, talk about redistricting. And I will say this about the Democrats, like, we've done our own redistricting here and there.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Sure.

[Paul Shear]

Okay. Sure.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay. So it's like there are certain times when. Where a little bit of manipulation, a little bit of not playing by the rules is what you have to do to get the job done.

[Paul Shear]

Okay. All right.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay. And I think that might be what's happening.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Listen, if there's a little bit of rigging, if there's a little bit of. I'm talking old school Chicago style.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That's what I'm talking about as well.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Backroom politicking. I'm cool with it if it gives us this, but I don't know if the last one was rigged. And that's how we got League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And that's why it's so hard.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I don't trust the system.

[Paul Shear]

I don't trust the system. Well, I mean, we are going to be redistricting the Discord, so we are moving people who can vote when they can vote. It's some complicated thing that's happening right now. We are moving people around. You know, Scott and Molly are gonna switch. I don't know what that means, but we are. We're just working a lot of things behind the scenes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Gerrymandering the discord a little.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Looks like we are living in a failed state, and this might be an opportunity, you know, if we're governing the discord, to sort of create a template that actually works.

[Paul Shear]

Well, I want to lay it down. Yeah, go ahead.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I was going to say. I was going to say we. I. And I hate to bring this up. We were not elected. We appointed ourselves. So I don't even know what kind of system of government we're running here.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Well, but it's like, there's a lot of. There's a lot of arranged marriages that end up working out.

[Paul Shear]

We are going.

[Jason Manzoukas]

We are.

[Paul Shear]

We are going. We are open.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I love that you're tackling politics. Arranged marriages, June. Five minutes in hot times.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Sometimes the people around you know what you need more than you do. And you can get. You can get sort of wrapped up in passion and what's there right now and, like, not be able to see the forest through the trees. Not be able to see what it takes to sustain a long relationship.

[Paul Shear]

Have you ever been set up with a good person? I mean, that's the question that I want to ask you both.

[June Diane Rayfield]

No. And actually, no one has ever set me up, and I do take issue with that. I don't know what that's about. I'm not going to look at myself, though.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, well. Wow. Okay.

[June Diane Rayfield]

No one ever set me up.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I mean, to be fair, June, you are looking at yourself in a hand mirror, right? Yeah, you are. You are holding up a mirror.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And by the way, I look great.

[Paul Shear]

She looks really good. She keeps on saying, please make this podcast video so we can have it out there.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I. We're begging you, Paul. June and I are begging you to make this a video podcast. We don't understand why you won't let

[Paul Shear]

us Netflix now doing podcasts on Zoom.

[Jason Manzoukas]

What are Zoom?

[Paul Shear]

That are airing on Netflix.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And if you want to know just how bad podcasters look, just go to Netflix.

[Paul Shear]

What are you doing? That was part of the joy of podcasting.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's no longer a podcast, actually. I want to call it something different. It's like this was. I also want to. It's a TV show. And I also want to say this to women. I wish we could lock arms and say no and say, this was a medium that worked for us because people couldn't see us.

[Paul Shear]

Right.

[June Diane Rayfield]

They had to listen to us.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Here's the thing. Why would you want to look at the people who are just talking? This is a radio show. This is not video. This is not a visual medium.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I don't.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I don't understand.

[Paul Shear]

Now look, occasionally we will do it like we did for our Christmas one. We'll be. We'll make it special. We'll make it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's a live experience. That's a live show. That's a live experience.

[June Diane Rayfield]

By the way, you're gonna pay for it.

[Paul Shear]

Wow.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You're gonna pay for it. Wow. No way I'm giving that away for free. What's that phrase? Can't give away the milk, you gotta buy the cow for.

[Paul Shear]

And that's how I set people up.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I'd love to just drill down on this with June. What do you think?

[Paul Shear]

There's got to buy the milk.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's on my mind because there's so much lactation. So much lactation.

[Paul Shear]

Almost sat down by the sun and watch thinking.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Paul, you said last night we're going to watch Shoot him Up kids. Do you want to watch with us?

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Because I remember thinking.

[Paul Shear]

Because I remember it being like a Bugs Bunny esque paper.

[June Diane Rayfield]

And.

[Paul Shear]

And I did not remember how much breast stuff is. And breast milk is in the violence.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Violence. The problem with this country is like, we have no problem. We're so disgusted by women's bodies. By the way, I took a Wellbutrin about a half an hour ago and I've had two cups of coffee.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You're doing great. You're doing great. Somehow. We barely talked about the movie, but you're already talking about what's wrong with the country.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But this is my problem is like we are so like, oh, that's. That's crazy. To look at a woman's breast. A woman's nipple. That smells like crazy at all.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I loved it.

[Paul Shear]

Now this is why we needed video like those takes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Fine with the violence. And that's you, Paul. You were so fine with the violence.

[Paul Shear]

Okay.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Showing our kids that level of violence.

[Paul Shear]

Well, okay, hold on now.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I will say that I feel like the violence is so cartoony.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

As to feel like it's not like seven.

[Paul Shear]

It doesn't have any consequence. Dude. It feels. It feels.

[June Diane Rayfield]

All I know is you showed them, jackass. And then Gus had two kids at school. Two kids at school grabbing him by the limbs and throwing him as far.

[Paul Shear]

And he did introduce it like a Jackass video.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He's like, what's up, guys? It's guys like.

[Paul Shear]

Now I will say that Johnny. Johnny will. Will be on a new episode of this show eventually. Uh, we were just talking about that the other day, which I'm excited about. Um, but when I told my boys that potentially Johnny was going to be doing a show, they lost. They lost their mind.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Shear]

Um, but I want to talk about the Discord.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Redistrict. The Discord.

[Paul Shear]

So the Discord was given a selection of films. The movie the Core, Cutthroat Island, Ice Pirates, the Pest, Shoot Em up and Suburban Commando. All worthy choices. Now, I believe that the Discord's job is to pick, and this is a very tricky thing, a movie that is bad but watchable.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I don't trust them with that.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I believe they failed with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

[Paul Shear]

They failed there. And I also believe they failed here. Because, yes, this was enjoyable, but it falls into. Thank God it got made. I think maybe I'm wrong.

[Jason Manzoukas]

This. I feel like. I agree. This feels more to me in the vein of Face off or those kind of big budget, very. I mean, I feel like people are like, it's so crazy. He, like, kills people with a carrot as if it's like Bugs Bunny. And we're like, well, no, that is intentional. That movie is in on the joke. It is not. We are not pointing it out. The movie is. Is.

[Paul Shear]

And that's. And that's.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I want to.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I'm happy to talk about it. I loved it.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, we'll get into all that. But I want to talk about where we started a little while ago, about how the Discord.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Are you scared of the Discord, Paul?

[Paul Shear]

No, I just want.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Okay.

[Paul Shear]

I am up in the business of the Discord, and I want to let you in on it. Right.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Wait, you're fucking the Discord a little

[Paul Shear]

bit, and it's okay. June and I have an open Discord relationship. Anything on the Discord I can do now?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Are you guys in a. Are you guys in a polycule with the Discord?

[Paul Shear]

We're kind of like a stereophonic Spree. There's so many of us. You can't keep track of what's going on. Here's what I will say. The Discord had these votes, and I'm watching it, and I'm seeing certain things go up and down. But as it gets down to the final moments where the voting, right before the voting is closed, there was an energy here of. We can't piss off Jason. We can't make him mad at us again.

[Jason Manzoukas]

So because of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

[Paul Shear]

Yes, I see. So at this point, there starts to be a little bit of tampering with votes. And we can start to see that they are not only trying to make you happy with a movie like Shoot Em up, because I think that they're driving that to you and unto all of us, but I think that they know that the wrath is gonna come at them from you and this movie, the Core. So what happens is.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Which I don't. I know this movie, but what is the core?

[Paul Shear]

The core is like one. Remember when they made all those movies where people were just going to the moon? Like there was just a lot of moon movies. The Core is one of those moon movies. And it is like with Aaron eckhart, Hilary Swank, D.J. quall, Stanley Tucci. The Tooch. The Tooch. Okay.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But unfortunately, just a producer clarification.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

The plot of the core is actually that the Earth's core has stopped spinning.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And a team must drill to the center of the Earth to jumpstart the

[Paul Shear]

core by detonating an atom bomb. Oh, okay. Got it. Okay. I'm so sorry.

[Jason Manzoukas]

The reason why the core not spinning is a problem is that it's been causing geostorm type natural disasters around the world.

[Paul Shear]

Got it. All right. So anyway, the core, which is clocking in at an aggressive length at 2 hours and 15 minutes too long. Yeah. So what happens is people start jockeying to create a tie. They're holding their votes back to manufacture a tie. Now, Scott, am I missing anything major from that? No, you're doing a great job. Okay.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Can I ask a question, Paul, of you and perhaps of Scott? How many people are we talking about?

[Paul Shear]

Well, we're talking about like, I mean, I want to. Without. I mean, you can see the votes, the. The amount of votes for the core and the amount of votes for Shoot Em Up. They're a tie. And they're at 473 votes each.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Each.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh my God.

[Paul Shear]

So. And then this is the most votes we've ever gotten because actually so many people joined the Discord. I think that they got in knowing, like, okay, you know what? I didn't like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I want my voice to be heard. And then I think people are like, what's the Discord? How do I get.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And did we nominate the movies they could choose from? Or did the Discord come up with these movies?

[Paul Shear]

We did. We did. I called the Discord suggestions over the

[Jason Manzoukas]

years and chose a group that I thought people would be excited about and that also covered, you know, a variety of genres.

[Paul Shear]

Yes. And they're, they're all over the board. These are fine choices. But I will say, when I saw the time, my immediate reaction was, well, the core is a movie that I know that Avril said, don't do it. It's not really worth it. But I want to be honest to the Discord and let them go pick what they want and then shoot them up as a movie. I'm like, this is really fun. I enjoyed it. So we aired on the side of let's Take the Fun one. Even though there's a tie, I think they were hoping to get two out of us. I see. You know, if there was a tie, we'd have to do two. We're not gonna, we're not gonna watch a 2 hour and 15 minute film that is just fine. Like, yeah, yeah, it's not worth it. Not worth.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I think, I think if Avril said no, I, I, I trust, I trust her implicitly.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. So that, that is a thing. That's how we're here. The Discord hopes to make Jason happy by creating this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Does the Discord care about me at all?

[Paul Shear]

I mean, look, I believe that Jason comes at them way harder than you, June. I mean, obviously Eric Holder comes after you.

[Jason Manzoukas]

If I, if I had the, if I had the ability to unplug the Discord, I would, I would just straightaway do it.

[Paul Shear]

Here's what I'm going to tell you about this movie, just from my point of view. I saw this movie in a theater and it was raucous. It was a heart. People were going bananas for it. Now, my friend, good friend of mine, great director Ben David Grabinski was the director's assistant on this film. And I was talking to him about this movie because he was there and pitched many jokes. If you listen to DVD commentary, he's like, ben David came up with that. Ben David came up with that. What he told me was this movie hit in two ways. One, everyone got it and people were psyched. No one got it, and people left angry. So there was a very, he was like, he saw it a million times and it just either worked 100% or completely fell flat. And I do think that to your point about the carrot and stuff, it was about a couple years too soon for people to get this level of like, oh, it's intentionally trying to do this.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's kind of almost a send up of one of these kind of movies while also executing one of These kind of movies. Very well. It was not.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It was very, very well.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah. Oh, and. And wait, Paul, who made this movie?

[Paul Shear]

This is this guy Michael Davies or Michael Davis. So Michael Davis actually wrote the screenplay for Double Dragon with Peter Gould from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. They were writing partners. But Michael Davis is a storyboard artist, one of the best of all time.

[Jason Manzoukas]

So that's why it's visually so good.

[Paul Shear]

He basically created every shot in the movie Tremors. And during like a period of time where he couldn't get anything made, he made like this animated sizzle reel of 17,000 drawings. That was the premise of this movie. He called it John Woo's Wet Dream. And that's what he wanted to make this. Like, this is like. So it was like a 17 minute long sizzle reel to sell this movie. And that's how this movie was kind of birthed into the world.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But that's a great comparison, John Woo in this era of somebody who's making visually sumptuous action movies that just don't have any of this. If people were coming in expecting a John Woo style broken arrow, shoot him up kind of craziness, like these jokes or these absurd asides or these corny one liners would bump you if you wanted it to be like a real like shoot em up, you know.

[Paul Shear]

Can I tell you where I think this movie fails in and not fails. I love this movie. I'm a fan of this movie. I was excited to watch this movie. I think that the. What the trouble is, is, is Clive Owen. He is great. He plays it perfect. But I think people coming in are like, wait a second. If he's in it, is it funny? Is it serious? Like if you put in.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I liked that though.

[Paul Shear]

I did too. Yes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I agree with you though. He could confuse a viewer because he's so good at it.

[Paul Shear]

He's great.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You know, he would be. But if you had someone. I'm trying to think of at the time, like, if you had Bruce Willis

[Paul Shear]

in this, Ryan Reynolds, like, you know,

[Jason Manzoukas]

like, then you get it. Then it's too wink, wink. I feel like, you know.

[Paul Shear]

But it's kind of Bugs Bunny. I mean, I love the. I love Clive Owen. He's great. June, what did you think of Clive Owen?

[June Diane Rayfield]

I thought he was perfect. I loved it. I mean, my only question for his character, honestly, this is like the only thing that bumped me in the movie was. And it's not even just his character, it's men in general in this film don't seem to know that you can feed a newborn baby with formula.

[Paul Shear]

I wrote that down too.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It seems like it's not a fact that is like penetrate. Now, I will tell you that we are probably. Well, I'm actually younger than both of you, but I am from a generation of babies who were strictly formula fed. Because for a while there our moms were told formula was better than breast milk. And so I wonder, I actually had this thought like it because there was that campaign for a period of like, formula is better. And then of course there was. They realized breast milk is and by the way, quote unquote better. Like, feed your baby with whatever the you have. But like, I wondered if these men had been so indoctrinated with the idea of breast is best that they didn't know you could very safely and effectively.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, they are from a generation that is probably prioritizing breastfeeding in a way that. That, you know, picking up on all of the elements that. That breastfeeding would have given the baby. I think, you know, not for nothing. Boy, would this movie have been worse for wear if he had just gone out and bought a bunch of formula and never gone to Monica Bellucci. Thank God for, for Baluch. The Beluch is loose.

[June Diane Rayfield]

We didn't have the tooch, but we did have the balloon.

[Paul Shear]

And I mean, and by the way, when. When there is a line, it says, and I won't do it as justice because Paul Giamatti is the bad guy in this and he is fantastic like he is.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's seen chewy my stomach effectively. Yes, he really turned my stomach.

[Paul Shear]

This lady's baby needs to be fed. Find me every wet nurse, lactating hooker and mammary on tap in the city.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Look, now here's a question. And again, I've always said this. The less I know about men, the better. Put it on a T shirt, sell it. But the less I know about men, the better. But is lactating like, fetishizing? Lactating? That's a thing.

[Paul Shear]

For sure. For sure, I guess.

[Jason Manzoukas]

For sure. You know, like, I mean, I'm just saying. Is it a pornhub category? I'm sure it is. Here's the thing. I think what's. And when we find Monica Bellucci, she is lactating. And her entire. Her entire. She's set up in a brothel where each of the rooms has a theme. And her theme is baby.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, theme is.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Her theme is baby. It's all baby bottles. And her. The john that she's with is. Is in a diaper and is Breastfeeding.

[Paul Shear]

Can I ask like a sexually innocent question? I've never seen besides going to a haunted house. A wall of rubber that one person is behind. Okay.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Figure that out.

[Paul Shear]

I was like, wow, what is that?

[June Diane Rayfield]

His face was coming out. Yes, but his face was a part of the rubber too, that I think

[Paul Shear]

he was on the other side.

[June Diane Rayfield]

No, he was on the other side. But like, what, what, what transactionally is

[Jason Manzoukas]

happening, you know, like, what is this, what is this meant to elicit?

[Paul Shear]

I want it in a haunted house where that is happening. And they, because they give you the illusion of reaching out and grabbing it. Because the wall, like Freddy, you like

[Jason Manzoukas]

Freddie in that movie.

[Paul Shear]

Right. But they can't touch it because you are separated.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Here's the thing though. The, the cost of upkeep and, and also just like making that.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[June Diane Rayfield]

How many johns are arriving like that? That must be, you know, for any of the, the rooms to make sense. Like, you have to have a number of customers, I would assume.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, yeah. I mean, no, it's like a movie theater. Not wanting three hour movies because they can only do fewer showings per day. Like, how many johns fit that room's particular skink?

[Paul Shear]

Well, because you gotta hold it so taut. So taut. Yes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

So taut.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Or is it new? Is it a roll? And you like each. After each one, it's rolled across, cut off, and that bit is thrown away.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It looks expensive, though.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It did.

[Paul Shear]

Now here's a question. I mean, maybe the John is bringing it with him. Now, the other question I have is this is the theme nunnery. And then within the nunnery, different rooms. Because it's. I mean, I know we're answered. The door is answered by a nun in a thong that. Well, first is a nun, then revealed thong. And it felt like nunnery, like House of ill Repute. But then it felt like everything was themed and she was maybe the only one on break or as the nun

[Jason Manzoukas]

just answered, to figure out if the nun who answered the door, she was just. Well, I'm not busy right now. I do religious kink over in this room. I just don't have an appointment, so I'll answer the door.

[Paul Shear]

Right. Like, sort of like.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I don't know.

[Paul Shear]

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[Paul Shear]

now. I mean I will, I will say this is very John Wick coded as well. I mean this is like it's got all the secret organizations the world. There's so much great stuff. You know, instead of a dog, you got a baby. The baby is great. I mean this is it. No, I mean moment.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's not just a baby. It is a newborn.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Couldn't be.

[Jason Manzoukas]

This baby delivers the, he delivers the baby and then the rest of the movie happens. I believe within 48 hours.

[Paul Shear]

I mean when I knew that this movie in the theater was great, was like you open up on Clive Owen, he takes a bite of this carrot, you're like interesting. And then, and then the, the movie starts and it's frenetic action, some really cool shots. But then the moment that really I was like, this movie knows exactly what it's doing is when he delivers the baby, admits a gunfight, then uses his gun to blow the umbilical cord like to separate the baby.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I was like, incredible, incredible moment.

[Paul Shear]

I am in.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Why not?

[Paul Shear]

I am. There is nothing else. And, and now the only issue I

[June Diane Rayfield]

had with him, I, I didn't like when he ripped her, her, her outfit open and said, feed Junior. Whatever the he said. I didn't like that one bit.

[Paul Shear]

I didn't like that either. And I didn't, I said your milk

[June Diane Rayfield]

doesn't come in right away.

[Paul Shear]

It, it also felt like how did he, how was he so, so aware of like that? You know, like he, I mean he's

[Jason Manzoukas]

just, was, he just needed the baby to be quiet as soon as possible so that they wouldn't be discovered. You know, he was just saying keep the baby quiet, put a tit in

[June Diane Rayfield]

its mouth, put a tit in its mouth. And that's fine. But like the baby actually doesn't need to be fed right away.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah, it just was making too much sense.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Can we just talk about like being a lactating hooker? Because I, I, please was thinking about it. Like she, I don't know, I guess she was on some sort of hormone supplement to help her.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's explained she had a stillborn baby. Yeah, she, we now we didn't see that. She tells the story later to Clive Owen. She says, why haven't you asked what happened to my baby?

[June Diane Rayfield]

So her milk came in from the stillborn?

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Her pimp punched her, she says, and her baby was born stillborn. And so my assumption is she continued to lactate and then used that in

[June Diane Rayfield]

her as her king. Got to get a gimmick.

[Paul Shear]

Well, that's it. I think that that's more what it was. She's like, well, I. I should use this. And then because of the amount that she is using it, she's never stopping. It's like those people who, like, will be, no, I still breastfed my child. And they're standing up. Like, I've seen that like on a Mori episode. Right. You know, it's like a. It's somebody who's very old.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Sure, sure, Paul. Sure, Paul. You've seen it in a Maury episode. Great.

[Paul Shear]

I'm always watching. Great. I'm always watching them.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I've seen it on a video on Maury. I think I just want to shout.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I just want to shout out her character. Because of all the kinks that are available in each and every one of those rooms, the one I would like to do the least is lactating. Because that's a lot of work to have your boobs filled with milk. And then it. It hurts if you're not lactating. So then it's like, well, she's self. Expressing. Expressing. Is she pumping? I mean, there's so many questions.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's also so much. It's so intimate. It's so intimate that to have a grown man.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I can't even talk about it, Jason. I can't even talk about it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That was a.

[Paul Shear]

That was a moment.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Talked about it, but I can't any longer talking about. But it has to be over.

[Paul Shear]

I do want to say that that moment really makes me recoil because it's like, oh, it's horrible, this movie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I couldn't understand what it was at first because my mind, my imagination stopped. Yeah, it stopped. It had to protect itself.

[Paul Shear]

Well, even at the time when you catch her giving the bad guy a blowjob behind the dumpster, I was like, wait, how did that happen so quickly? And we're in. There are some moments that really will take your breath away. And I will say those are quick ones. But the one that sticks in my mind, the one that really got to me and I know it was there for Creep Factor, is Paul Giamatti looking at this dead woman that he is carrying around in the car. This is the mother of the baby who does get shot in right after delivering the baby. And she's still uncovered from when Clive Owen has ripped open her shirt to help her feed her baby. And he Just grabs her breast. And when I say there's a fearless performance going on here for Paul Giamatti, like what he is doing is that scene.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's very, very horrible. Very, very horrible.

[Paul Shear]

But you. I feel like I knew everything I needed to know about his character from like.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I'm like, it's the one, two punch for. I want to just say Giamatti is incredible in this and he and Clive Owen as opposite sides are fantastic. And what's so good about Giamatti is he's doing all of this disgusting stuff. The scene you're talking about, he's saying so many disgusting things. But then he's also continuously fielding calls from his wife where you can tell he is put upon and feels like he is not in charge.

[Paul Shear]

Sweetie, this deal is almost done.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Look, I've already booked my flight home, okay? Okay, I love you too.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, bye. Bye. You know why a gun is better than a wife?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Don't know.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Put a silencer on a gun.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And that is like so funny to me that his performance is like basically built off of a. A like the impotent rage of a husband who's being constantly had at by his wife. Which I think very funny.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That is what's so great about this movie and I think really separates it from just being like a send up of these types of movies. Because you know, Clive Owen also has these like very specific pet peeves. There are, there are specific choices that are made. And I love when a character like this is just like, like he doesn't like when people are rage driving. He doesn't like cats. Like there's things about, there's specific things that he doesn't like. And to me it's what elevates this movie.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And his performance in doing so.

[June Diane Rayfield]

His performance,

[Jason Manzoukas]

everything. He's not leaning into any of the jokes that he is. He is the Bugs Bunny character. But there is no Bugs Bunny wink. There is no Bugs Bunny kind of wryness. He is just straight. It's as if he's stepped out of Children of Men and stepped into.

[Paul Shear]

Well, by the way, there. There is a moment that reminded me of Children of Men. It looks he's like in the same costume. There's a one moment where he's on the bus and I'm like, is this the children of Men that we were promised? Because in a weird way it's the same story as Children of Men. Like he has protect. I mean in that one he's protecting a pregnant woman to give birth. But in this he got the baby to where the baby needs to go. And the baby is what being used to genetically keep the governor young. The senator alive.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He young to save his life.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah, he has, he needs the bone marrow of a relative that has his. Whatever. He's got a baby farm. So the setup is there's a senator who wants to become president who's in charge of gun. Oh, this is a gun control movie. Also the theme of this, one of the central themes is gun control in a movie that is wall to wall guns, which is very.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Which I loved.

[Paul Shear]

I loved way. This is a movie where I just have some of the stats. 151 people are killed in. In less than an hour and 30 minutes. And they used 6,000 squibs and 15 gallons. June squares. They took a while to get the set. So it was a little, it was tricky. But we. But they got them. They did it six, six thousand times.

[June Diane Rayfield]

She'll always get there. She works.

[Paul Shear]

I mean that was the thing. She's booked, she's getting, she's. She's ready to go and busy. But yes, it's saying something. But also it's. I think this movie is incredibly clever and smart and cool. But I agree, it's.

[Jason Manzoukas]

So anyway, just to finish my thought, he needs a bone marrow transplant. So he creates a baby farm with women so that he can have a bunch of babies that he can pull bone marrow from. Now while that is happening, the gun company bad guy, Hammersmith, he decides, I don't want this guy to live because he wants gun control. So I'm going to kill all those babies, I'm going to kill his baby farm. And that's why he sends Giamatti and the goons to go kill the baby farm. And that is where we are. And then at the end of the movie, of course it's revealed.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Why not just kill him?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Great question. Because.

[Paul Shear]

Well, because then it would be a line. A line would kind of be drawn to him. Whereas if you kill a baby farm, you can't say, hey, someone came in, killed my baby farm. Because then more questions are asked. Well, why do you have a baby farm then? There's a. Then there's a lot. Now, by the way, do you guys

[Jason Manzoukas]

think there's anybody right now that has a baby farm? Like gotta be right.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Well, there's got to be at least

[Jason Manzoukas]

one baby farm right now on this globe. Some billionaire.

[June Diane Rayfield]

When do you, when are you able to extract that bone marrow, though?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Great question.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Because you can't have bone marrow transplants until you're like, I believe Well, I don't know. Maybe.

[Paul Shear]

I don't know.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Maybe with pediatric. I don't know.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I don't know either. And that's so interesting. But wouldn't it be incredibly painful for the babies to have their bone marrow removed?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, it's horrible.

[Paul Shear]

You'd have to be at least 18, because the. The most successful donations come from people from 18 to 35. So. Yeah, so that, like, they will not, I mean, accept you. Yeah, yeah. Minors are allowed to donate under strict ethical guidelines. But I don't think that they're going.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I don't think this falls under that.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, I don't think. Well, it definitely doesn't. Yeah. I just feel like you got to get some. You got to get some more marrow in them bones before you can give it up.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You got more of that delicious marrow,

[June Diane Rayfield]

by the way, though. Like, this. This poor baby. When this baby. I mean, I had to do a lot of work watching this movie with the beginning sequence where the baby is under. Is sort of in a football hold with Clive Owen, and he's jumping over buildings and he's doing this and that, and he's shooting. And there's just several shots where I'm so worried about that baby's neck, you

[Jason Manzoukas]

know, and not never being supported.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Never. And I have to say, like, I did wonder why all that Clive Owen can do, the amount of multitasking that he's able to do, could he not have created some sort of a Bjorn? Because I didn't know if our writer director didn't like the idea. And I think this is a real. His character's a really interesting portrayal of masculinity. Right. Because he, at some point is on his back, but they never have him on his front in more of a papoose, which is more of a feminine look. And I wondered about that.

[Jason Manzoukas]

June, I understand that concern, but I think I have a different reason why that didn't happen is because I would say in almost every single set piece, Clive Owen slides on his stomach, across the floor, across conveyor belts. He slides across hundreds of yards. He covers like a seal over a mile and a half of.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's like run, run, slip and sliding.

[Jason Manzoukas]

The siding and shooting.

[Paul Shear]

The palm of his hand is gonna be the better brace in this situation. Cause he's able to, like, really pocket him like a football. And the baby was not a bigger boy.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He's not a slip of a thing, you know.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Wait, Clive Owen or the baby?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Clive Owen?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, no. Clive Owen's a big guy.

[Paul Shear]

The one thing I'm gonna say about Clive Owen, I have no slipping and sliding, no problem with the way that he dealt with the baby. Like, yeah, sure, maybe a papoose. But to me, when he dropped the baby on the Merry Go Round in the blazing hot sun, it did feel like now I understand why it has to go there. But I was like, well, that's gonna be a little hot. That. That's gonna cook the baby. Arguably the worst thing that he did was leave the baby in the baking hot sun.

[Jason Manzoukas]

But he does know that someone will immediately find it, which they do. You know what I mean? Like, it's.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But I would have preferred that, that ba. I understand why you couldn't go to the police station, but there are many places where you can safely surrender a baby, no questions asked.

[Paul Shear]

So, like that little safe which I just saw.

[Jason Manzoukas]

What's that?

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, there's. There's some wonderful baby boxes.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. Baby.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Where you literally open up. They have them, I think, at a lot of different public facilities, firehouses, where.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You open the baby box.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, it's like a library book return.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yes. You put the baby in there that you have to surrender and you close it up and no questions asked.

[Jason Manzoukas]

If I see one of those. If I open it, will there be a baby in there?

[Paul Shear]

Well, that's the thing. You love that. You know, it's not. It's not just like a pickup. It's not like a vending. It's not a baby.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's not. I can't. Okay, I get it. I can't, like, put a. I can't put a $5 bill in and open it up and get a baby. It's not a baby. Automat.

[Paul Shear]

Now, look, I.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Do you think the kids will know what an automat is?

[Paul Shear]

I mean, yeah, our audience is going to definitely be jiving.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I barely know what it is.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I was going to say June, do you know what an automatic. The.

[Paul Shear]

The thing that I love about that sequence too, and this is why this movie, to me is so fucking funny, is he goes, you know, someone will find you. And then a woman goes, my God, look at this.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Someone left a baby.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Boom.

[Paul Shear]

Just killed. Immediately. The movie has great timing. And it's like anybody who's missing these jokes that, like, in the middle of a fight, he spells you. And then Giamatti turns and then he shoots out the rest of letters that spell fuck you too. Come on, guys.

[Jason Manzoukas]

So funny. It's very funny.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That happens, though, in this movie. And I just want to address it because it's something that always bugs Me and I don't know if anybody else has this issue. Picture a giant shoot him up sequence. Okay. The one in the staircase where he's flying by that, you know, he's, he's going down the staircase on that rope or whatever that is he's tethered, shooting everybody he kills in that sequence. It seems like at least 75 grown men minimum. Okay. One of my pet peeves is that once he gets to the bottom, Paul Giamatti. And Paul's Giamatti. And everybody's been shooting at him. Paul Giamatti's been shooting at him. Once he gets to the bottom, he's still in range. It seems to be killed. And yet Paul Giamatti. There's sort of this like gentleman's agreement. Like I'll now watch you walk out, I'll now watch you exit. Which is a solid like 10 seconds.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yep.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Where your back is to me. I know you're not gonna shoot at me, but I will very respectfully not take this shot.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's, it's. And there's also, there's something about them now being close enough to have words that now instead of shooting now, we quip back and forth because there's some safety and feeling like, well, now I can shoot you whenever I want. So let me give you a little

[Paul Shear]

bit of the old business.

[June Diane Rayfield]

The business.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And then that's the hubris that allows for Clive Owen to get away every time. But I agree, that is, that is a trope in this kind of a movie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yes. And I find it fascinating. It's like we, we, we let our people exit, you know, respectfully.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, it's the same thing too. That happens and it didn't happen in this movie, but I feel like happens in the, the versions of these movies that aren't self aware, which is they decide instead, now that it's the two of us left, why don't we put our guns down and settle this like men? Hand to hand combat style, you know,

[Paul Shear]

which always seems like it's not the right thing. It's not going to work out for time.

[Jason Manzoukas]

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[Paul Shear]

I will say favorite scene of the film is the sex scene. The sex scene is absolutely incredible. Like, look, you got him delivering a baby, having a gunfight. And then you think in this moment, like, oh, we're just gonna have like a little bit of a sex scene. And for the amount of nudity in this movie, I do actually think it doesn't seem gratuitous. The, the amount of like, I don't know.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I don't know if she's ever nude.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I mean, very nude.

[June Diane Rayfield]

But you don't see anything.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, it's such a great sequence. And. And you know, I have to like, really tip my hat to Monica because she's having an orgasm and won't stop until she climaxes and she's being shot at left and right. And I wondered, I don't know about anyone else, but I wondered like, oh, if you're a sex worker and you have men who are sucking milk from your boobs, like, is this just like she has not been able to have an orgasm or, or on her? And like, this has to happen.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I feel like they seem to be.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I thought the chemistry was electric.

[Jason Manzoukas]

They know they know each other from the past. He brings the baby when he shows up. We didn't say this, which I very much laughed at. When he shows up at the brothel to find her, I'm assuming knowing she's lactating because he knows her already. He's carrying the baby in a brown paper bag with packing peanuts in it. And I was like, this. This movie gets it. Anyway, so the sex scene, to me, it. This is what's great about the movie, is that they're in the middle of having sex. Gunmen burst in from every door, window, every place. Not only do they not stop, they escalate the sex. The sex now starts, gets better, gets better.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Stakes are high.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And Monica Bellucci isn't like, stop, let me hide. She's like, keep going. And it's that's the movie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

She's like, little death, big death, it doesn't matter.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I think the movie is leaning in, right?

[Paul Shear]

Lean in. I mean, I think that's what Sheryl Sandberg.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Sandberg said.

[Paul Shear]

There is something about that relationship, though, that you feel good about. You feel like, you know what? They got it together.

[June Diane Rayfield]

This movie's a great example to me of giving us some information, but not too much and relying on the actors to build a history with just chemistry and connection. Because you did feel it, and you felt that they've been through something together, that there was. There was a lot of love and respect there. And yet also, like, they're very wary of each other. I thought they did a great job.

[Jason Manzoukas]

My favorite part, the. The thing that really genuinely, like, not touched me, but I was like, when she says to him when they're gonna separate, and she says to him, what

[June Diane Rayfield]

if you don't come back? That's not gonna happen. There is no way to be sure. Yes, there is.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And he puts the gun on her ring finger like it's an engagement ring. He puts the trigger cover or whatever around her finger like a ring. I loved that. I was like, this is romance. This works for me. Same, by the way, it also just

[Paul Shear]

goes to show you, like, I think that we live in a time where, like, oh, what's the backstory? What'?

[Jason Manzoukas]

This?

[Paul Shear]

We need more exposition. This movie has none of that.

[June Diane Rayfield]

We don't.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And.

[Paul Shear]

And we're. And we're just. We're just running. We're just running.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Trust us. Yes. Trust the discord, but trust us to fill in the blanks.

[Paul Shear]

Now, did the audience. Did the audience trust it? No, but that's okay. I mean, the movie did not. It was not a hit, as my.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Shocking to me, to be honest. I blame the times.

[Paul Shear]

It's just.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, it's like.

[Paul Shear]

Because I think that what year after 2007. 2007. I think after this, you get movies like shooting Aces, right? Which was like, kind of like, oh, we're doing a bigger thing. You're seeing, like, action that is just bigger and more bombastic. I think that that style, that John Woo style comes in and is Americanized after this.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, and that's. And I feel like the movie that then dominates and sets the template is Taken, which I think is 2009. I think somewhere around there. Taken, I feel like, really is like, no. Our hero is stoic. His mission is unequivocally good. And without. And there's no commentary. It is just a forward moving Shark of a person who just kills everybody in their way so that they can rescue the helpless woman.

[June Diane Rayfield]

You know, I totally agree. I think that the one piece that I missed, and it's possible I just was looking down at my notes at this time when we're in the car sequence and the baby falls out of the car after the crash and Paul diamond runs over and you think the baby's been destroyed and it's sort of a robot baby.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It's a very realistic robot.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Where did that. Where did that baby come from?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Who knows? Don't pull at that string.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah, that one. You just have to believe that.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Don't pull at that string. And the other string not to pull at is when he goes to the gun factory. What's the gun manufacturer's name? I can't remember. He goes to baseball Hammersmith. He goes to the Hammersmith factory where all the bad guys are and they're manufacturing all the guns. And he sets up like 100 booby traps full of guns. I'm like, are we to believe that the gun factory has loaded guns, like, ready to go?

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[Jason Manzoukas]

There wouldn't be any ammo in these guns.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, I didn't even. I was so okay with that.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And he meanwhile sets up like a Home Alone Level series of booby traps where he's pulling marionette strings and sh. Is. It's so satisfying and it's so fun, but the minute you start pulling at it, you're like, how on earth this would have taken hours to do.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Right?

[Paul Shear]

Apparently. And this is like a fun little side fact. You know, Paul Giamatti has gone through a lot of different phases in his facial hair and in his head. Head hair. But when he did have to accept the best actor for Sideways, he was still fully in this character's hair and goatees. So when you do look at the pictures of him, you're like, oh, interesting choice. He didn't really clean up for the Oscars. And it was because he was dealing with this, which was a. And definitely when you look at him like, that's interesting look for it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That reminds me of when Hubel had to have frosted hands for like two months for I love you, man.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, my God, that was amazing. The other thing that. Oh my God, there's so much.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I love the scene. I love the scene. I love the car chase scene and I love that he causes a head on collision so that he can fly out of his car into their car again.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Sliding.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Jason, he slides into their van, lands perfectly. He would be. He would be demolished you know, if. If. If real physics were applied to this movie, everybody dies in the first scene, but by this time, I'm like, I love it. He launch their car, shoots everyone in the car, and then is like, that's why you should wear your seatbelt. He's got zingers for every line that he doesn't overstep, not even when he's doing his zingers. That's why Clive Owen, to me, is perfect in this. He's not leaning into the jokes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

He is perfect because he's not even

[Paul Shear]

putting the James Bond SW. Like that. Kind of swarmy. No, it's. It's. It's just clean and it's nice. And I mean, this man is skydiving. He does it. That's the other thing about this movie.

[Jason Manzoukas]

The shootout in the sky is incredible.

[Paul Shear]

And then that's not even the end. Like, every time you're like, oh, this is a sequence where you can't top this. And you can. And is it the final sequence where he does put bullets in each of the. Like the divots or the.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yeah, the holes in his hand.

[Paul Shear]

The holes in his hand and lets them get heated up like popcorn to then assassinate the final guy? And I'm like, this. This movie.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And that's the. What's great about the movie is. And I suspect maybe why people wanted us to do it is that we would say, that's ridiculous. You can't hold up a bullet to a fire and. And aim it. That you wouldn't be able to do. No. The point of the movie, literally, was

[Paul Shear]

something they did on Mythbusters to disprove it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's not.

[Paul Shear]

We're doing what? We're doing Looney Tunes. The man's eating a fucking carrot. He basically. He, like, he is eating a carrot

[Jason Manzoukas]

multiple times, like, never ending carrots. He always is running out of ammunition and guns and everything else. He never runs out of carrots, which

[June Diane Rayfield]

I love a carrot vest under there. Maybe that's why he slides so easily. It's just like.

[Paul Shear]

Yes.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's sort of flush to his skin, and it's just a vest of carrots.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And they. If they go this way, maybe they just roll. They're allowed to, you know, like, it's giving him the ability to roll.

[June Diane Rayfield]

By the way, you can turn orange if you eat too many carrots.

[Paul Shear]

Okay, go ahead.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's true.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It is true. It is true.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I wonder, too, if we're meant to believe that part of the reason he's such a crack shot is because carrots help your eyesight.

[Paul Shear]

That is literally what I believe is part of it. And I think what they realized was in the beginning it was like, he has great eyesight. And then they're like, oh, this is a Looney Tunes. Like, let's lean into both. And then carrot gags are like, then he has to kill people silently. And then he's just taking that carrot and shoving it through people's heads.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I gotta say though, carrots do not taste good unskinned. And it seems like he's eating carrots just in the raw.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You know that I only recently found out that baby carrots are just big carrots that have been carved down into small form factor.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, I'm finding it out right now. What are you talking about?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Baby carrots are just big carrots that have been cut, carved into that.

[Paul Shear]

Right.

[Jason Manzoukas]

There's no such thing as a baby carrot thing. That it's not a. Yeah.

[Paul Shear]

What's baby corn? Grape.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I mean, I think that's just a corn varietal that is small.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Wow. Wow. Well, I'm now different now that I know this.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Here's my only criticism of Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci on the run. Parenting. I think they can come up with better than newspaper diapers.

[Paul Shear]

I love. Well, did you, did you see the artistry that she was doing with those newspapers?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Like origami level stuff? I mean, can't, don't. Can't they just find cloth or paper tape?

[June Diane Rayfield]

I mean, there's so many. Take off your hat. Take off that sock.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I love when he took off his sock and put it on the baby's head on the bus. When he sees the other. When he sees the mother putting a hat on the baby, he's like, oh, I should be doing that. There's moments like that that are really tender and work again. Because he is a great actor now.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I did. I do think that's the only excuse for going barefoot on public transport. I've seen people do it on airplanes and it's been very upsetting to.

[Paul Shear]

Barefoot, not socks. Barefoot.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Barefoot. Barefoot. I sat next to a woman barefoot, like wearing, like wearing flip flops on a plane. Went into a bathroom that I knew because I had been in it, I knew was covered in piss.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yours.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, the floors are disgusting in there.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Disgusting. Disgusting.

[June Diane Rayfield]

No. I've seen so many people get on a plane in sandals. And then this one flight I was just recently on, he had sandals on, very like worn down leather sandals. Sat right next to me. And then he took off his sandals and placed his bare fucking Feet on top of them. And I was like, I am so. So I truly had to knock myself

[Jason Manzoukas]

out when they put their feet up on like the chair in front of them or you know, like up so that they're like on display. I don't need to see your stinky ass logs while you're on the plane. Put it away.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Put it away.

[Paul Shear]

Put it away.

[June Diane Rayfield]

People.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I'm, I'm like, I'm the anti Tarantino. No feet, please. Chop them off.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Except if you're Claiborne and you're on public transport and your baby needs a hat. True Heat escapes out of the head so quickly.

[Paul Shear]

By the way, I did have a heart to heart with my stepmom this past week where I was describing foot fetishes. And I will say that I embraced.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Why was that during a heart to Heart?

[Paul Shear]

Because I was, we were talking about it.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I was on a phone call and I sort of heard it happening in the other room and I was like, it was actually a heart to heart

[Paul Shear]

because I was trying to help her explain a lot.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I was like, you know, you can believe it. It was a heart to heart.

[Paul Shear]

It was a heart to heart to kind of explain how people have different sexual wants and desires. Right. And yet some we put on a stoop and we say, well, that that's made up. Or I don't know if I believe that they are that. And I'm like, well, let's look at this one. We know no one's questioning the validity of this one.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Which was it? Was she asking about the fetishes that were on display in the Monica Bellucci?

[Paul Shear]

Well, yeah, she watched the movie. I think this movie would have broken her. You know, I know for a fact that she, you know, I, I feel like she didn't want to even see Train Dreams because she thought it was going to be a little too, too, you know, it was going to be too risque. Yeah, a little risque. I don't know where I went with that, but. Yeah, but Flip Flash, I have a question.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Why is there. And I want to be clear, I'm not bothered by this at all. I don't understand why there's a tank in the city.

[June Diane Rayfield]

I had, I thought, I thought it was some display.

[Paul Shear]

It's a museum. That's why. Because the other mother's young at the kid. And I love that moment too where, you know, where he kind of comes after that mom for being abusive in the thing. Yeah, it's just in a museum. He just knows about the museum.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I missed museum And I was just

[June Diane Rayfield]

like, I did too. But I accepted it. Again, there's lots of things I didn't. Yeah. I didn't question.

[Paul Shear]

You can't.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I loved at the end of the movie when he finds them in the. The roadside ice cream shop slash diner that looks like a tit. The. The. The. The design of it is a. Is a boob. Like Monica Bellucci is so associated. It is a boob with cream in it, with milk in it, with ice cream. That's like the end of the movie is also. Don't worry about. There's still lactating titties out here in the middle of the desert.

[Paul Shear]

And for a movie that I think is like, they definitely address, like, the gun as a dick. This is a movie that also really just supports the boob, you know, Because, I mean, that is the.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's something I can very much get behind.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, God.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Like. Like Underwire. I am also here to support the boob.

[Paul Shear]

I mean, that. That. That line.

[Jason Manzoukas]

June looks. June looks so upset. Said,

[June Diane Rayfield]

oh, God.

[Paul Shear]

And again, this is why we need to go on video. Let's talk a little bit about this movie. Just. Just to give you a little bit of an update because I did tell you it did not make a lot of. A lot of money at all. The. The budget of this movie. $39 million. Conservative budget. Right?

[Jason Manzoukas]

Pretty good for what they do opening

[Paul Shear]

weekend, 5.4 million made 12 million and worldwide gross only 27. It was not a hit in any way. It has a. It stands kind of right in the center on the tomato meter. And the audience score both at like 65 and 67%, respectively.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That is shocking to me. And I'm also shocked. I'm shocked that it's. That it did so poorly. And I'm also shocked that it does not have. Currently have a. Like, and it is now a gigantic hit on Netflix or something. This is what I knew. Appreciation for it. That's what we need to do.

[Paul Shear]

I think that we need to lead this charge because this is a movie that I think also had some weird moments associated with it. So apparently they marketed this movie with a YouTube video which was a bulletproof stroller. And they had. The video was. It was an.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's gotta be year one of YouTube 2007.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. So they. Where they basically have someone with a submachine gun shooting at a stroller while a baby was inside to prove that the stroller was bulletproof. People did not get that. That was funny. They thought it was real. Like, this movie kind of had that thing where people like, it's too much gun violence. It was banned in the uk. Like a billboard of them was banned. You know, it just was a movie that I think hit a lot of different weird moments where it was just not accepted.

[June Diane Rayfield]

So surprising.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. And I think that people haven't seen it. Cause I literally, I put it on my, my letterbox last night and people reached out to me. I put stuff on my letterbox all the time. People reach out to me to say, oh my God, I love that movie. I'm glad no one talks about that movie.

[June Diane Rayfield]

It's so fun.

[Jason Manzoukas]

It is so fun and deserves to be celebrated in the same way that I feel like everybody now rallies around. Like we do the Fast and Furious movies, the completely over the top bonkers level action movies. This is that only better in many instances.

[Paul Shear]

And this guy doesn't go on to make any other movies.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's it. That's what I wanted to know as well was what else did he. Because this is very well done. Like this could have been a disaster, you know, because it's not. It's $39 million for this level of stuff is not a lot of money. And it looks great. It's, it's edited great. Like this is a great successful movie.

[Paul Shear]

And you know, and I was talking to again my friend and maybe I'm talking a little bit out of school. Well, I'm not, this is not talking out of school. He told me some, some things, but he was saying that like the, the thing that was a bummer was everyone's so proud of it. It's, it's a movie that they feel really good at. It kind of bombs at the, at the box office. But he was like, I would go into meetings and no one would give a shit. It would be like, oh, I was, I was the director's assistant. I pitched all this stuff. I did all this. And no, no, it didn't. People did not like this movie. And when you type and shoot em up, the first question is it a parody? People are confused. And that's. And this is the unfortunate thing, I think that we take things at face value a little too much.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, I also think the audience for these types of movies might just not

[Paul Shear]

get the joke right or it's marketed to one person, but it should be marketed to a different.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Which is why they are like, oh no, we get it when it's taken or we get it when it's Fast and Furious.

[Paul Shear]

But this.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Why is he doing what's up Doc? Like what, what that's crazy. You know, this is.

[Paul Shear]

This is it. You know, so obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Paul and Jason and June talk a lot about what makes a the movie good or not, but everyone knows they're actually full of, we need a second opinion. Someone that knows what they're talking about. We need a second opinion. We need a second. Oh, give me a second.

[Paul Shear]

We need a second. Thank you so much. Wolves of Glendale. They are awesome. All right, I will tell you some second opinions because there's a handful. 3702, 72% are five star reviews. So Amazon gets it. Amazon's on board. Victor Collado writes. And this is one. I'm going to have to have you guys break it down for me. The title is nice, super excellent. It was written in 2025. A lot of codes in this movie. I hope many people follow the world become better. 5 stars. A lot of codes in this movie. I hope people follow the world become better.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, like Clive Owens. Codes about like don't eat your kid or liking dogs are all his. All his kind of code of honor

[Paul Shear]

that he like that he is.

[Jason Manzoukas]

He seems to me, and we never find out, he seems to me to be some sort of like a samurai kind of a man without a. Without a house, without a box.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. The man with no name. A kind of Sergio Leone kind. This one is from Randy, 2015. Randy writes, Come on, if you're a guy, you gotta love this movie. And is there a hotter woman in the movies than Monica Bellucci? No, I sure haven't seen one. I agree. And. And it goes. Perfect guy movie. Five stars.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I mean, I just would say perfect movie. I don't need. I don't think we need to gender it.

[Paul Shear]

No. And then, and then finally, this Amazon customer, no name given in 2022, simply titles his review guns and writes, Glad I finally watched this movie in its entirety. This was my favorite bad guy ever. I'm sick of cowardly bad guys. Five stars. His takeaway was Giamatti was not a coward. And I would argue, but I mean,

[Jason Manzoukas]

I don't necessarily think of other bad guys in other movies as cowardly. I just don't know who. He's like, Hans Gruber is not cowardly.

[Paul Shear]

Like, oh, I guess like, oh, please don't kill me. Like, if there's a scene like, I mean, look, you know, like that kind of. This guy was like, I'm gonna go down. I don't care, I'm gonna go down. I only have one question, which is, I understand at one point when Clive Owen used the hand dryer to burn the man's hand to drop the gun. Great sequence in the dark fight. But then he heated up his own gun to fire a Rick. I didn't quite understand what was going on there.

[Jason Manzoukas]

I couldn't also, how hot do hand warmers get?

[Paul Shear]

Well, I think those are old hand warmers.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's the case, it looks like. Cause they have an insert shot of what's inside. And it looks like an old cigarette lighter from a car.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah.

[Jason Manzoukas]

You know, it looks like there's a heated up metal coil in there that you could like truly burn yourself on. I was like, that can't be right.

[Paul Shear]

I imagine that he wasn't holding his hand that close either. That would mean that we'd all have a burning sensation when using a handdriver.

[Jason Manzoukas]

And that guy's in the Secret Service. If you're telling me this guy's enough of a pussy that he drops his gun because his hand got a little hot.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Come on.

[Paul Shear]

So, Discord, did they do it? Did they do it right? Is the question.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Reluctantly, I will say, well done, Discord. I guess, I mean, I still would. I would disconnect it nonetheless, but yes. Redeemed after the disaster of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

[Paul Shear]

I will also say, June, we did not watch this movie together. You watched it at a different point. And that was one of my great sadnesses that I would not be able to. To see you react to it. I'm happy to hear that you liked it.

[June Diane Rayfield]

That's so sweet. I. I loved it. I did have to wake up, set an alarm to watch.

[Paul Shear]

Yeah. You watched it at what, like 9:00am

[June Diane Rayfield]

No, I watched it at 7. I started.

[Paul Shear]

You watched. You got up.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh my God.

[Paul Shear]

That's why you were tired.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That's so funny.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, 7am I watched the movie. Well, first I got the kids there. Woke up at 6. Kids ready out the door by.

[Paul Shear]

I'm driving, so I don't see any of this stuff. All right. I'm just saying. I just wanted. Seemed like I was doing something too.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Out the door. They're out the door by 7. So that hour is like crazy. And then at 7, I turned it on, I watched it. And then I said, I'm. I gotta go back to sleep. And then I did sleep another half hour.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, wow, that's. What a mor. What a morning. I would love to know what your dreams were like in that half hour.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Really crazy. I really, it was. It was a very messed up sleep. I mean, I don't nap. And I. I always. Everybody wants to tell me to take a nap. Like, I never feel better afterward. I don't believe.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Why is everybody always telling you?

[June Diane Rayfield]

I'm always, always telling everyone. Everyone I meet.

[Paul Shear]

Always trying to.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Yeah, always. You're always telling me to take a nap, too. And I have never felt better after a nap. And I like.

[Jason Manzoukas]

That is. I think that is dismissive. Take a nap. You know what I mean? Like, I don't like that. I don't like that.

[Paul Shear]

Well, Jason, you know, you liked it, I liked it. We all like it. Yeah, I loved it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Loved it, loved it. I think this is. This again. This goes right up to the top for me in terms of movies we've done with Face off, with Con Air. This to me, is a God.

[June Diane Rayfield]

This got made iconique.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Yes, yes.

[Paul Shear]

And also just makes me go like, man, Clive Owen, good career. Interesting. I mean, like, he's coming off like froupier. Like, he's doing like this.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Well, Clive Owen was meant to. He's one of those great, like, almost was careers because he was maybe gonna be Bond. And then he has this run of movies, this being one of them. The Tony Gilroy movie with Julia Roberts, duplicity.

[Paul Shear]

Inside Man.

[Jason Manzoukas]

He's got a bunch of movies in a row that just do not perform, and it just. Including Children of Men that do not get him to that next level. And it's heartbreaking. I would love to. To see him as Parker in a Donald West Lake adaptation. He, to me, is the perfect Parker. We need that. Please. I'm talking to you, Shane.

[Paul Shear]

Well, you would have to have him recast Mark Wahlberg at that point, then.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Oh, okay.

[Paul Shear]

Okay. So I. I mean, I agree with you 1 million percent. Like, I feel like I think he could still get, like, you know, he could still. I mean, he was on the Nick and that. People love the Nick, but that's the Nick.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Ten years old now, guys get involved with the Nick. O. Yeah, it's really.

[Paul Shear]

He's like. He's good. He's so good.

[Jason Manzoukas]

He's incredible.

[Paul Shear]

All right, so any final thoughts here? I think we. We've said everything that needs to be said, but we do look to you the Discord to get into it. Like, let us know about what's happening with lactating women. You use your expertise so we don't unplug.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Unplug it. Jason's right. Disconnect it, please.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Disconnect the discord. What are we doing.

[Paul Shear]

Oh, my Lord, what a blast it was to watch.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Does the Discord exist? Is the Discord part like the Dark Web?

[Paul Shear]

I think it is. I mean, people, it's very hard to get on. And is it.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Do you have to get on like the Silk Road? How does it.

[Paul Shear]

I can't say it. Legally, I can't. Once I admit how to get there, then I. Then I it. But yes, thank you, Discord. We will visit you again in a year when we give you another chance.

[June Diane Rayfield]

Oh, that's a nice, healthy.

[Paul Shear]

That's a healthy, healthy time away. And as always, if you find a moment in this show that you would like to. To save for a howdy, let us know because we are collecting those in Discord as well. So it would be way easier for us to do the Howdies instead of just deciding to do the howdies and then going, oh, what, what, what moments do we like? And then that, then that makes us not do an episode of the Howdies for nine years. Okay, so that is all for now. Discord, you done it again. That's right. Thank you for voting. Thank you for making a choice, even if it was a wrong one. Because honestly, at the end of the day, we really did enjoy the movie. As always, if you have a correction or omission for this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619-P-A-U L a S K. That's 619. Paul ask. Write a comment on the discord at discord gg hdtgm and on next week's Last Looks, we will respond to your messages. And I'll also chat with Jason about all the movies and TV shows that we are currently loving. Hey, if you subscribe to New York Times, you can read an article about me and my Taylor Swift documentary. That was a great little piece written about dads and daughters. I think you'll like it. It's called dad, you're so not embarrassing me. For shirts, mugs, stickers, and more, just go to hdtgm.com and click on the merch link. You can also click on the hat link to see our hat collection, which are on sale for 30% off. That's. That's pretty great. And by the way, there's only one what's up up Jerk's hat left, so get it before anybody else. You can check out me and Jason live at Largo every month. That's right. We're going to be there this Saturday, February 28th. We will also be there on March 26th. I believe that's a Thursday Go to dinosaur improv or howtodisgetmade.com to see how to get tickets. Great people there all the time. Edie Patterson, Nicole Byer, Mary Holland, Danielle Schneider. It's a who's who of the funniest people out there. Remember, if you listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it a lot. And lastly, I have to give a huge thanks to our behind the scenes team. I'm talking about our producer Scott Sahni, Molly Reynolds, our engineer Casey Holford and our social media manager Zoe Applebaum as well as our intern Quinn Jennings. And we will forever be thankful to the one and only Avril Halle. That's all I got for now.

[Jason Manzoukas]

Bye bye.

[June Diane Rayfield]

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