Vertical Limit w/ Laci Mosley

Summary

How Did This Get Made? – “Vertical Limit” w/ Laci Mosley
Episode Date: July 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this “Summer of Extreme” installment, hosts Paul Scheer, Jason Mantzoukas, and June Diane Raphael (absent this week) are joined by comedian Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) to dissect the 2000 action-disaster film “Vertical Limit.” Renowned for its avalanche of implausibilities, this over-the-top mountain thriller starring Chris O’Donnell, Robin Tunney, and Bill Paxton is celebrated and skewered for every genre cliché, inexplicable plot device, and offensive use of nitroglycerin. The crew gleefully unpacks why this is “the worst depiction of rock climbing in any film,” alongside the absurdities and occasionally problematic undertones of early 2000s blockbusters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The White Escapism of Extreme Sports

• [04:24] Laci Mosley: “Climbing a mountain is a white person scam… Being a Black woman is enough of an extreme sport for me.”
  • Hosts and Laci riff on how extreme sports, especially high-risk mountaineering, are portrayed as “white people nonsense” in both the film and broader media.
  • The summer’s podcast “extreme theme” is both celebration and satire of such films.

2. The Ridiculous Stakes: Nitro & Nonstop Falling

• The movie isn’t content with basic danger; every rescuer carries literally explosive nitroglycerin, which can “leak,” causing arbitrary deaths.
• [06:20] Jason: “You could see the meeting where they were like, it’s not enough they have to rescue them…what if every climber had to have a bomb strapped to their chest?”
• Massive scoffing at the laziness of using leaky nitro as an action device, and how the “political backstory” is laughably underbaked.

3. Opening Scene Absurdity (Dad’s Death)

• The opening climb, involving a CGI eagle, brings both technical ridicule and awkward family dynamics.
• [14:20] Laci: “I cackled. And I know that’s not the response they wanted…but then we get a smash cut to a body like, dud on the ground. Is this Looney Tunes? …The dad’s dead.”
• All hosts agree the on-mountain relationships are confusing and weirdly incestuous in performance.
• [13:34] Paul: “The only thing that makes a dad a dad is that he’s carrying a whistle on the mountain…he’s like a traffic cop on a mountain.”

4. Fake vs. Real Mountaineering

• The everyman’s mountain journey is mocked for its fake sets, costumes, and utter disregard for climbing realism.
• [10:03] Laci on CGI animals: “That bird was so fake it was insulting.”
• Cites real climber Alex Honnold labeling it “the worst depiction of rock climbing in any film.”
• The time compression—K2 is supposedly summited in 12 hours, not 60+ days—and general “nobody’s shitting logistics” become running jokes.

5. The Supporting Cast & Disposable Characters

• “Bandana Woman” and other supporting characters are given absurdly little agency, serving only for cheap heroics or expendable deaths.
• [23:55] Laci: “Bandana woman went through it…[She was] sexually harassed, had to climb with the creepiest man, almost got chopped by a helicopter… She tried to pay for her freedom.”
• Paul, Jason, and Laci lament that most character arcs are shoe-leather padding for a bloated runtime, with zero emotional payoff.

6. The Evil Rich White Guy Trope

• Bill Paxton’s “Elliot Vaughn” is cartoonishly villainous, sacrificing others for a TV commercial.
• [36:32] Paul (quoting the script): “My life statement. This is my life statement—to die for a commercial.”
• His sudden descent into “mountain Smeagol” madness is so quick and strange, the hosts wish the film had leaned into true duplicity from the start.

7. Action, Death & Carnage Logic

• The mountain is “Jaws,” killing off nearly everyone for spectacle.
• Scenes of people exploding, falling, and suffering grisly deaths are played for slapstick.
• [50:08] Paul: “The mountain is the killer, the mountain is the shark.”
• The hosts critique the film’s disregard for actual mountaineering risks (exhaustion, frostbite) in favor of action-movie bombast.

8. Dialogue, Direction & Cinematic Misfires

• Laci notes the bizarre directorial choice to linger creepily on actors’ faces, creating “romantic” energy even in sibling scenes.
• [52:02] Laci: “Why are we lingering on everybody’s face? It’s the Tyler Perry edit…We only got 80 pages but don’t worry, we gonna turn it into 120 with random shots.”

9. Iconic WTF Lines & Moments

• “You thought the mountain was just gonna lift up her skirt for us?”—Bill Paxton’s insane sexualization of the mountain, horrifying everyone.
• “Comeuppance” referred to as “come muffins” in an Amazon review, sending the hosts into hysterics.
• [73:13] Paul (reading review): “…the bad guy getting his come up muffins, you will like this movie.”
• Laci: “You get your come muffins if K2 lifts up her skirt. That’s how you get your come muffins!”

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• [04:24] Laci: “Climbing a mountain is a white person scam.”
• [14:20] Laci: “Is this Looney Tunes? The dad’s dead.”
• [36:32] Paul (quoting Vaughn): “My life statement. This is my life statement—to die for a commercial.”
• [54:34] Bill Paxton, quoted by Laci: “You thought the mountain was just gonna lift up her skirt for us.”
• [73:13] Amazon Review: “The bad guy getting his come up muffins.”

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Second Opinions ([68:56] onward)

• Callers and reviewers on Amazon love the film for “the thrill and the tension and the beauty,” inspiring actual travel—despite all reason.
• The hosts riff on reviews from analthrasher69 (who learned not to eat Indian food while hiking) and John K. Dahl (who prefers villains getting their “come up muffins”).
• [70:28] Paul/Jason: “It’d be like being like, finally, I got to be close to an eagle.”

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Final Segment: The Mountain Decides

• The tagline, “The mountain will decide,” prompts the suggestion that “Vertical Limit” would have worked better as a sentient-mountain horror film.
• Paul, Jason, and Laci agree “Vertical Limit” is a fever dream—absurd, needlessly complicated, and “so bad it’s good” in the canon of disaster cinema.

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Guest Plugs

• Laci Mosley:
  • Scam Goddess podcast (now with video via iHeartRadio and Hulu)
  • Scam Goddess book (audiobook version narrated by Laci herself)
  • Recommended episode: Sean King exposé

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Conclusion

If you’ve never seen—or never want to see—“Vertical Limit,” this episode is a masterclass in comic recap, pop culture riffing, and the purest derision available for ‘00s action spectacle. The hosts and Laci Mosley offer all the enthusiasm, insight, and biting wit that makes HDTGM unmissable.

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Notable Segments:

• [04:24] Extreme sports as “white people scams”
• [10:03] The worst CGI animal in cinema
• [14:20] Dad’s Looney Tunes death
• [23:55] Bandana Woman’s ordeal
• [36:32] Bill Paxton’s “my life statement”
• [54:34] “Lift up her skirt”—mountain consent disaster
• [70:28] Hysterical Amazon reviewer names
• [73:13] “Come up muffins”
• [78:08] The tagline: “The mountain will decide.”

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For more: Listen to the full episode on Earwolf or your podcast platform of choice; check out “Scam Goddess” for more of Laci’s comedy deep-dives into fraud and deception.

Transcript

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[B]

Over two hours. Two hours. I started watching it at 8 o' clock this morning. Oh, God. I don't know what's going on. I think I've lost my mind.

[A]

Well, I am glad to be able to talk to you, but I'm also thrilled to talk to our very special guest today. She's a comedian and actor who you might know from TV shows like Going Dutch Icarly and a black lady sketch show. She's also the award winning host of Scam Goddess, the hip podcast and TV show about fraud and all those who practice in it. Jason, you and I have been on our show. I'm of course talking about the Scam Goddess herself, Lacy Mosley. Welcome, Lacy.

[C]

Hello, Paul. Jason. Thank you for having me.

[B]

Well, well, well. Last time we met, we were together guesting on your show.

[C]

Yes, we were.

[B]

And talking about scams.

[C]

Now, now, listen, y' all tricked me a little bit speaking of scams, because I can't believe y' all got me watching this white ass movie during that's what we call June. Black History Month, part two, Electric Boogaloo. And y' all got me watching these white people climbing this mountain.

[B]

Honestly, like climbing a mountain is a white person scam.

[A]

Oh, why, why do you need to do it? We don't need to do it. Let the mountain stay there. We don't need to get on top.

[C]

Why are y' all at these people's mountain?

[B]

Well, Lacy, you, you, you don't know this, but for reasons that are left unknown for the rest of us, we are covering extreme sports movies this summer. So people who love to parachute, people who love to do all sorts of nonsense, and this qualifies 100%.

[A]

Well, I would also say it would also be a very white thing to do extreme things. Like, I feel like most, like very dangerous. Like I'm jumping off of a satellite from space into Earth, that there are always these white people that are doing this. So I would say that this is.

[C]

We're constantly. Yeah, being a. Being a black woman is enough of an extreme Sport for me. So I've just never felt the need. But I'm sure if I was a white man, like, I would be jumping off of everything, you know, I would be just like free solo man, just climbing. Shit. Nobody asked me to climb, you know, just for the hell of it.

[A]

This movie, you know, at first I thought, is this movie successful? Not really in United States, but it did gross 215 million worldwide. Outside of the U.S. oh, thousands.

[C]

Money.

[A]

Yeah. It is a movie that had some success. It was directed by the same guy directed goldeneye and Casino Royale. So a good, you know, good lineage here. But I also could tell that this is a movie that was put through, like the 2000 ringer, because it is. It's stupid.

[B]

I mean, it is also, like you said earlier, it's so dumb. And it's not. You could see the meeting where they were like, oh, it's not enough that they have to rescue them. It's not enough that there's an avalanche. What if every climber had to have, like, a bomb strapped to their chest? Like. Like speed, you know, like, speed was such a big thing. There's a bomb on the bus. What if every climber has a bomb on their.

[C]

This is an executive's fault for sure. Jason. They brought in a simple movie about rescuing a sister, and they were like, okay, speed's been doing great numbers, guys. We can't get Keanu, but we can least put a bomb in here somewhere. A leaky bomb.

[B]

Oh, that's the other way. And the bombs leak. That's the other thing is that it's not enough that they have canisters of nitro. If you put them in the sun,

[A]

they leak, they explode in the sun. So at a certain point, as they're climbing Everest, they got to go find some shade.

[B]

They always have to find shade.

[A]

A lot of trees on Everest. A lot of ways to get away from the. The bright sun.

[B]

Why was there nitro up there? Does any. I'm sure it was given a bit of exposition at some point. Does anybody remember why there was a tent full of absolute high level explosives?

[C]

So I actually looked this up. So in 1999, Pakistan and India were in a real conflict, right? And so because the Pakistanis were, like, hidden up in the mountain, like, they had some military people up there, like, just blowing. Randomly blowing up India, like, every now and then. They also had this explosive that they were planning to use on India that they weren't storing very well because.

[B]

So it was a. It was a military weapon. Yeah, it wasn't part of the climbers gear. Okay, I guess that makes sense. Yeah.

[A]

This movie does touch on some of the political climate in such a, like, careless way. I mean, there are. There are moments.

[B]

It's not even a B or a C story. Yeah. The political environment between India and Pakistan not. Not barely scratch the surface.

[A]

They basically just show it as like, this is war. Every day we're just going to fire on these. Like, it is a deep plot in this movie that there is a constant war going on. I think just to get you to this nitro. When you get to the nitro, and we haven't even talked about the open, but when you get to the nitro, they go in this tent. And you would think, okay, well, it's nitrogel. They're all, you know, it's kept. Well, no, they're. They are leaking in the tent. Nitro is leaking. It leaks on a man's foot.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which it looks on a man's foot,

[B]

and then they take his boot off, throw the boot as if it's like a grenade and the boot just blows.

[A]

And by the way, they don't show you them taking off his boot. Because I'm gonna bet that taking off the boot would have been the more extreme moment if that thing is a literal grenade. Like if the movie posits that if nitro drips on anything, it becomes a massive weapon. Like, it could blow up a. But they don't show up.

[B]

Even if it's just thrown away into the snow. You know, it's not like it doesn't need a. It doesn't need an accelerant of some kind. It doesn't need fire. It doesn't need, you know, any kind of a wick or anything like that. It's just when it needs to blow, either in the sun or if you toss it, it's gonna blow.

[A]

Okay, so let's talk about this opening. Because this opening is absolutely wild. Right. We start off on a beautiful CGI bird, an eagle. Beautiful, beautiful.

[B]

A beautiful sound.

[C]

That bird was so fake, it was insulting.

[A]

This movie. This movie reeks of fake. At every given point, you're like, they were never on a mountain. This is all on a soundstage. They're hanging off that rock in the beginning. I'm like, oh, no one. No one is a climber here. No one is out. This is all safe on a soundstage.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

But it really. It looks cutting edge for the time. When you think about that being 25 years ago.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're like, wow. Wow, this looks Terrible.

[A]

Fake. Fake as hell. And you get into this moment where I guess a bunch of climbers are climbing the same mountain in the same trajectory, and someone's backpack falls off above our family. The dad, the son, and the daughter. And that backpack sets off a chain of events. Now, first of all, I did do a little bit of research on this. This movie is hated in the climbing community for so many reasons. Just, first of all, everything that they do is completely wrong. Even the terms everything. But the one thing that they really stick on is nobody's backpack is falling off on a climb. Like, backpacks are not dropping from the

[C]

sky and wiping out everyone on the wall simultaneously. I had to Google some climbing things. Cause I was like, can you climb and be. You have to be attached to everybody.

[B]

Everyone's attached.

[C]

I was like, I don't think you have to do that.

[A]

Everyone's attached.

[C]

It took me a second to realize if they were a family, because once we got from, like, the terrible bird, we have that conversation between, like, the main dude. I don't know his name.

[A]

The dad.

[C]

Right. Not the main dad or Chris ODonnell the son. Chris O'. Donnell. Chris O', Donnell, the son. And then I love that girl from the Craft.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Robin Tunney.

[A]

She's great.

[B]

Boy. One of my crushes from that.

[C]

Where did she go? Cause she was popping. This was her time. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, she's around. She. I feel like she ends up. I feel like, on a. Like, a CBS procedural for years.

[A]

The Mentalist.

[B]

The Mentalist.

[A]

That's a good show for a very long time. Yeah.

[C]

Stay Mentalized and Queen, Prison Break and the Mentalist.

[A]

She was putting in some major seasons on that.

[C]

She's great. But in the beginning, when they're on this mountain, first of all, they're hanging off, like, they don't got a care in the world. Aren't y' all supposed to be climbing this? And then they're, like, talking to each other, and they're talking about stuff. Songs. And they're singing songs to each other and having to guess the songs. I thought they were in a relationship. It took me a second before I was like, oh, y' all are siblings. Because that's not Lacy.

[A]

I had to check it multiple times because there's a moment where they get together in base camp. I'm like, is he gonna kiss her? Like, are they in love? They are acting like they are in love. Like, no one gave them the memo that they were brother and sister. I feel like there. There is.

[B]

Or I feel like they were given the note, you know, like, we don't really have any, like, sex relationships in this movie. So really, your love is going to have to carry the whole movie. What you guys have now, it's not incest, but make sure you let us know you love each other. You know, you guys are your best friends. Like, it is. This whole scene feels like. Like, I feel like it's day one and they all just met, you know, like, it feels so. And they are supposed to be a father and two children. They all also appear to be, I'm gonna say, six years apart from each other, total. The dad looks like he's the same age as Chris o'.

[C]

Donnell.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

The only thing that makes a dad a dad is that he's carrying a whistle on the mountain to yell at other climbers. Like, I don't think that that is a thing. I don't think that anyone blows a whistle. Like, hey, hey, listen. Listen up, guys. You're doing a bad job. Like, he's like a traffic cop on a mountain. Which I just felt like it was such a funny, weird, specific. And again, yes, I did Google it. That is not a thing. No one is blowing whistles on the mountain. You can't communicate that way. But you're connected to this family. You love this family. And then, boom, they kill the dad. They kill the dad. In this moment when they kill this dad in the open, I was shook. I was like, oh, wow, okay, this movie is going for it.

[C]

I cackled. And I know that is not the response that they wanted to elicit, but there's this big moment where he's like, my sister, my father, my sister, my father. Should I cut my father loose and save my sister or we all die. Oh, back and forth. And it's just zoom in close ups of their face. And then they zoom out to that horrible CGI and they zoom back in on the horrible close up on their faces. Nowhere in the same universe. And then when the dad, like, when he cuts the rope, finally, I'm so pissed. Like, the cutting of the rope was the tension moment. Maybe even seeing him fall. I would have taken a corny, like, I love you before the last little piece of the rope, like, twinges away. And then he falls to his death instead. We get a smash cut to a body like, dud on the ground. I was like, that's how y' all kill the dad. Y' all go, is this a Looney Tools? Y' all was like, smee me. The dad's dead.

[B]

What?

[C]

And now we're moving on. Now we do the time jump.

[A]

And by the way, I thought the dad was very.

[B]

I would have loved it if Road Runner was there.

[A]

Or the dad, when he smashes into the ground, just pulls out a sign says Ouch. But the dad was also very close to the side of that mountain. I was like, at a certain point, couldn't he just, like, lock back in, like. Or grab onto the side?

[B]

That's what they were trying to do. They were trying to get her to lock back in because she was closest to the mountain.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, no. This was crazy. Here's what I will say. And I'm. And I'm. This, I'm guessing, is based on. There's an incredible story and a documentary about two climbers who are trying to climb a mountain. One of them gets injured, they get separated. They're still connected by one big long line. They get separated in a storm and one man is hurt and the other man doesn't know and he has to cut him loose. And so. But the man who is cut. But both of them fall and survive, but have to find independently their ways down the mountain. This is one of the most incredible documentaries I've ever seen, and it's called Touching the Void.

[A]

And it.

[B]

It feels very similar to this setup scene of, like, the only way for me to survive is to kill this other person. And. And what a. What a mind fuck that is.

[A]

And. And. And I feel like that's a great way to start the movie. I would think that we come back in a more fulfilling way at the end. We'll talk about how it does, and it just seems like we'll just do it again at the end, like, and for no real reason. The thing that I am kind of blown away by is the beginning of the movie tells you everything you need to know. You're going to hear a lot of screaming, a lot of grunting, and a lot of slipping. Because this movie is all about people slipping. There is so much needless yelling.

[B]

Every single character in the movie at some point hangs in midair.

[C]

Yeah, it's important.

[B]

Everybody. Everybody hangs in midair. Either off of an ice ax, off of a harness. They are helicopter. Yes, yes.

[C]

They're constantly hanging in midair. And then I'm thinking, if y' all are experienced climbers, don't y' all all know you're not supposed to be kicking when you hanging like that? Like, you're actually adding more momentum. You're making this looser. You're making the rope loose. This is down there, the person at the bottom just kicking away like they running in place, like, sir, what are you doing?

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, basically, I don't know if they need to, like, prove to us that mountains are dangerous. Like, everyone, nobody can stand up on a mountain for more than five to 10 minutes in this movie without.

[B]

I feel like they were pitching the movie and they were like, you don't understand. So many people die on Everest or whatever, KK or whatever every year. You know, it's dangerous. Blah, blah. But I feel like somebody must have been like, you know what? It sounds kind of boring. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't sound action packed enough. You have to understand, the mountain is the shark in Jaws, right? Every. It's. You don't know when it's gonna come get you. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure. I know. You have to, like, slip and fall. The assistant who slips and falls and breaks his leg is like in a cartoon. This movie is all silly goofball cartoon gags. But like, off of the edge of a mountain, it is like Wile E. Coyote running off the edge of the mountain and being like,

[C]

I also don't understand why he couldn't just live at the military. The whole National Geographic plot seems so unnecessary.

[A]

No.

[C]

And then they had to kill or his. His assistant had to trip and fall in the roc, you know, for what? Just so they could go down to the base so he could get medical care, so then he could see that his sister was here so they could, like. I feel like we could have cut out so much shoe leather. This movie's way too long.

[A]

So long.

[B]

And we got to see those snow leopards play.

[A]

He's in that snow blind. Here's what I'll say about your original pitch, Jason. Like that to climb K2, it takes about 60 to 75 days. Like, two months. And this movie seemingly. If I don't know anything, if I'm not researching anything, it seems like you can pretty much nail K2 in about 12 hours. And that's. The premise of the film is like, oh, yeah, we're gonna go up real quick. We're gonna. We're gonna. Not only. We're gonna go up real quick, we're gonna get it and time it with a flight going overhead. And then I was thinking, how many airlines are flying over K2? That also seems incredibly dangerous. And for them to wave, the flight would have to be very low.

[C]

Yeah, it's not 35,000ft, babe.

[A]

Yeah, no. Commercial airliners aren't flying in between. In between K2, like, just like, yeah, yeah, we'll get down low. It's not like they're landing down there. And so the whole movie is like, they've been up there for 12 hours, and technically, it would take them about. I don't even know. I don't even know where they are on the mountain. But they seem to get everywhere by helicopters very easily.

[B]

Yeah, well, except for the time the helicopter almost chops the one woman, Bandana Woman, in half.

[C]

Can we talk about how much Bandana Woman suffered?

[A]

I love Bandana Woman.

[C]

So before I get to Bandana Woman, I do have to say, when the helicopters were flying over, you do see this kind of, like, hippie encampment of, like, other. Like these. These are the salt of the earth white dude campers. We're not like that rich white dude campers. We are also on these people land that we don't need to be on, but we naked with our. With our penises out in the sn. So, you know, we love the mountain,

[A]

and we love pissing on the mountain. They love it.

[C]

They treat the mountain with respect, okay? They. The mountain dogs, they make some kind of piss moonshine, and they love the mountain real bad.

[B]

They're doing. They created a still to make moonshine. Like, they're Hawkeye in mash. It's crazy.

[C]

So you got your good white dudes who love the mountain, and then you got your evil white dudes who want to get up the mountain to make a commercial. And that commercial is worth our lives. Then bandana woman, who's just like, the nurse. They like, okay, Bandana woman went through it. She was sexually harassed. And then the man who was being creepy to her, one of the mountain. You know, native white mountain people, he. They were like, we climbing this mountain, and you gotta go with the man who's the creepiest to you. Also, you go fall off the mountain a few times, and a helicopter almost go chop your ass up while we trying to get these other two men on the mountain. Like, this lady went through it at one point.

[B]

They are like, why are you doing this? And she's like, obviously, the money I want off of this mountain. She's. The only reason she's doing it is to get away from these people, is to get enough money to get away from these fucking maniacs.

[C]

They trapped this lady on this mountain, and she tried to pay for her freedom.

[B]

She does not appear to be one of the climbers.

[A]

She's.

[B]

She's trapped.

[A]

I don't know how they got everybody up there, because, again, it does seem like it would be tricky to get everybody up to this base camp. But meanwhile, the rich guy, he's bringing up, like, a full barbecue. People are having, like, a Fourth of July party up there. They're all drinking at high altitude, which just even from going to Colorado, I know that that's not a good idea. So, like, this is not. This is not a good vibe up there.

[C]

And barbecue. Don't y' all have to shit in bags and carry your own poop? Y' all about to have some crazy poop going up the mountain. I don't want no rib poop when I'm going up the mountain. We need to be.

[A]

I don't want to climb K2 with a belly full of rib. I mean.

[B]

I mean, like, I've gotta. I've gotta guess that they're just. I mean, you can't be on the mountain, like, taking all your winter gear off to shit. I mean, are they just shitting in their pants?

[A]

Oh, well, Jason, here's the thing. This mountain, very warm. Cause these motherfuckers never cover their faces.

[B]

Never.

[A]

They are. Their faces are out and about.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Their jackets are thin. Like, why can I see your silhouette, bro? You are on a mountain. I'm like, but they were like, they still gotta be sexy. They were like, they still gotta be sexy. We need to see Bill Paxton's shoulders. Need to see those delts.

[A]

Bill Paxton for the 12 hours that he is up there. And I love Bill Paxton.

[C]

I do too.

[A]

His beard seems to grow in thicker and richer by the end of the movie. I'm like, I don't think his beard.

[B]

How long have they been there?

[A]

No, and we know it's only 12 hours. Like he really. But like, no one. Bill Paxton's in a. In a. Like underground. In a snow cave in. And his hood is down. He is like, his jacket is slightly unzipped. I would be zipping every part of me up these.

[B]

And they would also be carrying like a hundred pounds on their back. Yeah, they would be carry. They would be carrying so much stuff that it's crazy that they're all just like, here we are hiking up to the. Here we are summiting K2 in my fall Patagonia Absurd. Doing truly like, thank God I got my fleece.

[A]

There's one. There's one moment where Scott Glenn says, you look like shit to Chris o'. Donnell. I'm like, he actually looks great. Like, Chris o' Donnell looks like he. He has been out on a. Like a summer vacation. Like, he is glistening.

[B]

Honestly, if anybody looks like shit, it's Scott Glenn.

[A]

Oh, Scott Glenn.

[B]

But thank God he's here.

[A]

He's like Rambo guy who's kind of like living Montgomery Wick, living off the grid, you know, and just waiting, I guess. Is he waiting for revenge or does he just live at base camp for the hope to go find his wife?

[B]

I think it's that. I think his wife disappeared on this mountain some years ago. He has been trying to find her ever since. I think is what the movie wants us to think is why he's there.

[A]

And he makes a very weird choice to shave off his beard before he goes up, which also be like, strange.

[C]

I was about to say that, like, isn't that for warmth?

[A]

What do you mean?

[C]

You have to shave and go out freshly shaven pores open to climb this snow ass mountain.

[B]

I feel like that was like Scott Glenn showed up with a giant beard and was like, yeah, this is perfect for like the hermit, the mountain man, the guy. And they were like, yes, Scott, we're gonna need you to shave that so we can tell who's who in the movie. And he's like, but the beard will tell everybody that I'm me. You know, I feel like they were like, no, no, we don't want beards. No beards. In the mov movie, he was trying

[C]

to have his Oscar moment, and the girls were like, no, we need to see that mug. This movie's about sex. The tightest jackets you've ever seen, okay?

[A]

They're like. They're in Nike's climbing. The. The thing that I love about a movie like this is, like, you know, Bill Paxton is likable. Like, when he gets off the thing, he's kind of goofy, and you're like, okay, how can this guy be evil? And they don't really even try to ratchet it. It just, like, goes from likable fun guy to insane person. Like, he goes. His turn to insanity is so quick that at a certain point, I'm like, is he gonna eat people? Because he's looking at people like, you can't get in my way. I'm like, what's the end game? You can't get here alone.

[B]

And what you realize is this is the second time he's done this, because as the movie unfolds, you realize that he did the exact same thing with the party of climbers that Scott Glenn's wife was leading. And Bill Paxton selfishly used all of the drug to keep himself alive and let everybody else die. You know, so he's a villain every step of the way. It's interesting. He's always cast in many ways as the rich villain, like in Titanic.

[C]

Big love.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he's kind of always that rich, except for what's. He's the inverse twister. He is Carrie Elwes, who's the rich villain, and he is like the. Almost the Scott Glenn, the. The real guy on the ground.

[C]

You know, one thing about the movie, especially, like you bringing up the documentary you were talking about how that was really interesting about having to cut someone loose. Boy, oh, boy, is everybody ready to see a die in this movie. Everybody's like, oh, they. They dying. Oh, kill him. Oh, that leg hurt good as dead. Oh, the avalanche happened, but we contacted them on the radio speaker. They still gonna die helping him? No. Every step of the way, everybody's trying to be like, okay, well, we just go kill you. What's the point of climbing with a partner if they're going to let you die?

[B]

Well, and it really is. It's such a casual relationship to human life, you know, And. And that's the thing is too. The movie is. The movie is over two hours long, which is, to be clear, too long.

[C]

45 minutes could have been cut.

[B]

And part of the problem is they set up so many characters only to kill all of those characters not paying me, you know what I mean? Like, with barely any investment in them as people, you know, the brothers young Ben Mendelsohn. A young, A young Ben Mendelsohn in this movie, which I was so loved, loved seeing him, but boy, he's dead. See you later. Like his brother Cyril. See you later, pal. You're dead. I was like, oh. I really wished we'd had either more character moments that were fun with some of these people or we didn't spend so much time in the exposition setup phase. Because this movie would have felt a lot better at 90 minutes, you know?

[A]

Yeah. Because it's a very simple idea. They just go out to a rescue and it's like. And they're with an evil guy. But I think that they're trying so hard to make it feel real, but it is so fake on so many levels. I mean, this is, you know the free solo guy. Alex Honnold, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He is referred to this as the worst depiction of rock climbing in any film. He was like the least realistic. But I think that they're trying so hard to make you believe. And the other part of it is it's like, yes, people die doing this, but it's not like. It's not like an action movie death. Like, people aren't just like flying off the sides of buildings. People are losing toes and hands.

[B]

I feel like that's why the explosives were introduced because I feel like it was dynamic enough.

[C]

They said, like, if you get a demon in your lungs, that's not enough. Them coughing blood, not enough for us. It's enough for the crown, they said, not enough for us. We need people exploding off of the mountain as they fall.

[A]

I mean, when they introduced the idea, the only way they could do a good flare is by draining the blood out of a dead person's body and then shooting the flare up so the blood just explodes on the mountain. I was like, first of all, isn't a flare. Like the whole thing of a flare is it's going to go up and we're going to, we're. We're going to see where it is. But this is like, it was so like dark to drain them of blood.

[C]

I knew it was going to happen. I. And I was like, what is wrong with me? Or maybe I just noticed the patterns of this movie. But she was like trying to boil like ink from pens and like some freezing cold ice. And the little flame was so low underneath and he was like, you gotta get it to a boil. I said, they about to cut that man open and use his blood.

[A]

A man who was killed. A man who was.

[C]

A man who was murdered. Murdered by Bill Paxton's character?

[B]

Yes, like, murder. They didn't just let him die as he was. He. Bill Paxton, comes in, violently kills him by.

[A]

By putting, like, air in his veins, right? With, like, a very violent way to go. They're already freezing up there. My favorite part of him is he's like the tour guide to the rich guy. And he's going. He's going to make all the rules. And when they have the little memorial at the end, they kind of. The camera pans around the memorial of everybody who died in the movie. It's like the reverse love boat. You get to see everyone that you've met along the way. And his is a glamour shot among glamour shots. It's not a casual photo. It looks like he's like, you know, like, come to camp so and so. I'll be your instructor, Dave. Like, it's so. Like, he's such a pretty boy, and I like him, but I also feel like. Like, he. Like everyone in this movie is relatively rational, right? They're all like. I mean, well, they don't solve things rational. But, like, it is a funny thing because, like, why would Bill Paxton say no to the guy? Guys like, hey, look, there's a really terrible storm. And I know he wants to have the plane see him overhead, but I still don't understand, like, what Bill Paxton gets out of dying. Like, it's like, if he had a death wish, it's something. But, like. Like, I don't understand. Like, his mentality is cra. Like, why is he that crazy?

[B]

I also don't understand his drive.

[C]

They made an attempt to explain his drive real quick, and it was like, before they go up the mountain, he was like, yeah, I got all of my scientists on this, and I'mma out science, the mountain and the weather. And they're like, we got an 82% chance of living. He was like, I take those eyes on the stock market because I'm rich and I love stocks. And then the ominous wit comes out with all his hair and shit. And he's like, like, who is gonna live if y' all are gonna die? And then he just disappears into the shadows and the cloud of, you know, snow. And then when they get up there, everybody's like, hey, bro, the storm's gonna happen. The storm's gonna happen. And Bill's like, we gotta Shoot this commercial. And then they keep going. And then he's like, hey, man, they said the storm is, like, five minutes away. Like, y' all really need to come down. He was like, but what about the commercial? And then. And then they come back one more time. They're like, the storm turn around. The storm is behind you. Y' all need to run. And then the tour guide's like, hey, man, I don't wanna die. You told me. I. She was like, yeah, I said, you were in charge. But when I sit in charge, I mean, do what I say for the commercial. Otherwise, when we get to the bottom of this mountain, you ain't gonna have no job. Cause I'm gonna ruin you.

[A]

He's also never gonna get to shoot this commercial if he is dead. Like, there is no reason.

[C]

The guy says that. He's like, what did we. We need to go down and be safe. And Bill was like, this is more than the commercial. I also need to do this for me.

[A]

My life. My life statement. This is my life statement. He says, and it's like, to die for a commercial.

[B]

Like, I. I don't even think this is a union commercial.

[A]

I. I'm for social media, too. This will go maybe go viral on social media. But, I mean, there's a moment that I love where, you know, he has this base station full of these scientists who are navigating everything, right? So it looks like he's going to have all these people really helping him, but they are like, Like.

[B]

Like the.

[A]

When they cut to the referees in New Jersey who have to watch all the NBA games, it's like these guys are communicating to them, and they can see everything happening on the mountain. Like, how they're up on this mountain. They're like, oh, oh, they went down a thing. They're sliding now. I'm like, you don't know this. They can't even communicate this quick. And then, like, Chris o' Donnell comes in, is like, hey, I know Morse code. Okay? They're trapped. They slip down the thing. They're at 300,000ft. This is where they are. I'm like, nothing could have been communicated that quickly in Morse code. That would have been like an hour of Morse code.

[C]

Also, how is the walkie talkie not working? But it's working well enough for y' all to do Morse code. And then when homegirl locked up in the ice cave with Bill Paxton and Mr. Dying tour guide, she's like, me and my brother, my dad taught us Morse code when we were kids. And Bill Paxton Is talking the whole time while she's listening to the code. And it was pissing me off because he. She listened to the code. It's like, click, clack, clack. He's yelling over that. Hey, what you learn how to do? Morris code. Hey, what's your story?

[A]

Hey, save that for later.

[C]

The boop boops. Yes.

[B]

And you'd have to be listening to it, like, letter by letter.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And writing. And probably writing it down to be like, okay, this is what. It took 20 minutes, but this is what's up.

[A]

You know, Chris O' Donnell gets a novel out of, like, he's just hearing it off the side of his head as if it's like.

[B]

Also, it appears as though the. He and his sister are the only people at K2 base camp who know Morse code. That seems baseline level knowledge that these type of adventurers would have this skill set. Everybody must know Morse code. But everybody's like, what? I learned it in boy Scouts. What are we talking about?

[A]

But also when they have to communicate later, Chris o' Donnell just sends her a note that says, like, boom.

[C]

What the hell was that? What? How the hell are they supposed to know? That means we about to put nitroglycerin over your head. Like, you couldn't write a real note. Like, hey, move away from the opening. We about to blow it up. What do you mean, boom? I saw that and I was like, what? Dang.

[B]

Also, like, from where? Like, they don't know where to hide. They don't. How do they know where the placement.

[C]

I guess they figured homeboy's bloody spot was gonna be the place.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean, like, it could have very easily crumbled. Nitrage started an avalanche. Yes.

[C]

He used so much nitro. I thought they was gonna be blowing the bits underneath. I was like, damn, bro. Use like a little dash and come back. Exactly.

[B]

That's all you needed was a little bit of nitro.

[A]

They're. They're pouring it in. Like, they. Like, They're. They're doing a science experiment where they make like, the. Like, whatever. The baking soda, like, shit out. I also feel like they could have

[B]

gotten a helicopter up to where the blood bag had exploded. Like, I don't. I didn't feel like they needed to climb to them at that.

[C]

They said the air was too thin for a helicopter to get up to 28,000ft. It could only go to 21 and then dangle people off a cliff and almost chop up bandits. Dana. Lady. That's all the helicopter could do.

[B]

I guess so they also.

[A]

They also have all this information about where they are. But the plan is, let's split up. They have a group of people. All right, guys, let's all split up. You two, you two, you two. It's like. Like they're exploring like a haunted house. So it just gives them a chance to kill everybody. In these moments where people don't have to have major reactions. It's like. Cause that when they all go off, it's like, well, everyone's going to die. Like. Like every. Like, there is no. Everyone does.

[B]

Almost everyone dies in order to save just Paxton and Robin Tunney.

[C]

Yeah. All the white people live. It's given 2000s. I didn't see. Nobody brown made it down. Okay.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Nobody Brown made it down. That was the tagline of the movie Vertical Limit.

[C]

Nobody brown made it down.

[B]

Don't worry. We saved the rich white guy.

[A]

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[B]

And I love that. It's individual syringes. It's like a packet of individual syringes for, what is it, four syringes or whatever. Yeah. And I was like, what on earth they could do? You could carry so much more of this drug with you just in a vial.

[A]

Everyone could have had, like, four of them. Everyone could have had plenty of dicks. But when you find out that Scott Glenn is on a murder mission like that, to me, like, this is, like, where there is a good movie in here. Because it's like, okay, I'm here only for straight up revenge. I'm gonna come up here and I'm gonna kill the man who killed my wife. And the fact that his wife is still frozen with inside the mountain. Don't know how realistic that is. But also insane that she's, like, part of the mountain now that is his dead wife just frozen like Han Solo.

[C]

She's standing up with the prayer hands just in the corner.

[B]

So preserved. It's crazy.

[C]

She didn't even lie down when she died. She was like, nah, let me stand up and die real quick.

[A]

I just did my little prayer hands. Now. I don't understand at this point, too, why Chris o' Donnell's like, so adamant that he can't kill this guy. Like, there's a part of me, it's like, hey, man, I just wanna get my sister out. I don't care about Bill. Like, it's like. It's not like, this is not her boyfriend. It's not anything. Like, he has no connection. But he really puts his foot down. And then you're hoping that you're gonna get this, like, fun battle. But the end of the movie is just like. I found it to be a little bit anticlimactic because when he finally gets down there, there's no punches thrown. There's no nothing. It's just kind of like, all right, we're gonna climb up together, and he's gonna take a pickaxe to him. And then they just do the opening sequence again.

[B]

Except this time, Scott Glenn, the new father figure to these young people who comes and saves that manages to save them. He cuts the rope so that both he and Bill Paxton fall to their deaths. Which I was kind of like, okay, maybe. And I'm sure in the meeting they were like, guys, I had a great idea. It's bookends. It starts with the rope being cut. It ends with the rope being cut. Except.

[C]

Whoa, man.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Wait, give me another line.

[B]

The only thing I don't like about this is at the end of the movie, two white guys. Guys die. That doesn't. That doesn't add up for me. That's strange.

[C]

No, but we're gonna blow a brown guy up right before. Okay, okay, I can work with this.

[A]

But the thing that's so interesting is, like, if you're looking at it from a, like, thematic point of view, Chris o' Donnell did it first, and he's been paying these. The price of that decision, although he seems kind of fine with it. And.

[B]

And Robin, ironically, he does feel very like Robin. Right?

[C]

But his sister is not. His sister's like, I hate you. Kill my dad.

[B]

And he's like, it had to be done, or whatever. He's like, whatever, you know? And I'm like, this maybe would make sense if in the opening scene, they were, like, 15 and 17. Sure. They are adults, you know, who I feel like very much would have known what was going on and absolutely should be wrecked by it. But they're, again, they seem like strangers. They just. Everybody. See, everybody's a stranger. Even the siblings I also love.

[A]

There's a line in the beginning, they haven't seen each other for years, right? It's been a very long time since they've seen each other. And she's like, you've never visited Dad's grave. And I'm like, how would you even know?

[C]

Are you there every day I have

[B]

a motion sensitive camera on the grave. I know

[A]

it's like such, like I

[C]

get like my doorbell app has never had an alert.

[A]

But like, so at the end of the movie, you would either want to see him cut it again or have her do it. So she also understands, like, okay, I understand the situation you're in. I mean, obviously she's basically like hypothermic, going through like, you know, edemas, whatever. But like this, like, it's a severe misunderstanding of mountain climbing. Yeah. At the end of the day, we gotta cut people off this. Like, this is what we do. We cut them off.

[B]

80% of ascents end in some people being cut loose. Because, you know, we're all usually dangling eight people to a rope.

[A]

By the way, I'm gonna guarantee you those ropes hold more than, I don't know, roughly 300 pounds. Because that's really like, they're like, we. This rope can't handle more than 300 pounds. It's like, yeah, I have a feeling.

[B]

And feeling always. The anchors are always terrible. It's like one single device is in the crack. Or it's. They've tied the rope to an ice ax and just put that in the snow.

[A]

And they're also doing it with their, like, bare hands. Like they're pulling up a rope of a body, like with their own hands. And it's like, I'm just thinking about rope burn. Aren't they like frozen up there like they should have?

[B]

Everybody is so strong in the. To be able to do what they're doing, to be able to hang off of it is so hard to hang off of something with your full body weight. Pull yourself up and over. So long to hang. So hard to hang off of a wildly out of control helicopter. Two people manage to hang on to a helicopter that is careening out of control. It would toss them off like rag dolls.

[C]

And one bandana lady got lightly chopped by a helicopter propeller. You know how it just like gets you a little bit and cut your jacket when the helicopter propeller passes by your body.

[B]

And you know, they were like, it's going to be so great because the down from your jacket will just start peeping right out. It's going to be so cinematic.

[C]

Also, I just felt like they're. I get it, it's an action movie, but I think that they wildly underestimated people's attention spans. And so they were like, fuck plot. F. Like any conversation. And knowing about any of these characters, we have to treat this like an action horror almost. Where like every scary thing that happens, sometimes it would be like, woo. Crisis averted. We got the night the nitroglycerin in the dark. Oh, let's have a drink to celebrate. Kaplow. Oh, we slid off this mountain. But Bandana Girl saved Nasty Misogynist Man's life. Oh, don't worry, Nasty Misogynist man. Go die right now. Through a random avalanche. Kabloom. Like, why?

[A]

I think it's like what Jason was saying. The mountain is Jaws. Like, the mountain is the killer, the mountain is the shark.

[B]

Like the avalanches, the explosions there, they are creating such an unstable environment, they're putting base camp at risk. They're putting everybody at risk. By just setting off that many explosives on a mountain like that.

[A]

Just throwing that shoe. I mean, it's like, because everything is going to create an avalanche. Lynch, here's the thing that I did love my favorite line in the entire movie.

[B]

Don't mind her, she's French Canadian. Some days she's Canadian can be quite pleasant.

[A]

Today she's obviously French. That is. That I thought was one of the best. Like, honestly, some of the most descriptive character development we get in the entire film. I think I know more about her.

[B]

My favorite character is her bandana. French Canadian Bandana Woman, I think is terrific because they also have have my favorite line at the end when they do manage to save Robin Tunney and they've gotten her back to base camp. And keep in mind, Bandana Woman, while also doing climbing stuff and getting almost chopped by a helicopter. Blade, is the camp's medic. So she's taking care of Robin Tunney and Chris o' Donnell comes in and he goes, how is she? And she says, amazing. I was like, what? She, however she is, she is definitely not, not amazing.

[C]

She was coughing up blood two minutes ago.

[B]

Exactly. She's for sure gonna die. But amazing seemed like such a strange line.

[A]

Well, also just the fact that they kiss in front of her body, like, so she is recovering over there. And they're like, this is their moment for their first kiss. Like Chris o' Donnell and Bandana Woman, like, and it's like, oh, just do that outside the tent or get somewhere. Get, get away from. Like, it's a little hard.

[B]

How about don't kiss? How about kiss?

[C]

You haven't created enough of a bond to kiss.

[B]

This movie hasn't ceded this at all.

[C]

I think the director really thought and this was gonna my nerves too. This could have also shaved off some time, bro. Why Are we lingering on everybody's face for extra. Like, satiating eight seconds. Like, they've done dialogue. It was given. Like, it's the Tyler Perry edit, where we gotta get to 22 minutes so I can get into syndication. This movie needs to be two hours. So linger on their faces. Linger on eye contact. What is this director's thing against a two shot? He not doing a two unless he's in the wide. He not even giving me no dirty cover. Like, every time we cut to somebody face, it's just that. Were you shooting this act into a tennis ball? Were y' all never in the same room? Because why are we cutting directly to people's faces like they not in the same room? What is this? And it kept happening, and they kept zooming on people's faces as to be like, this is romance. This is fear. Also, you can't do the same. Like, sexual romance. Cut on the brother and sister's faces looking at each other.

[A]

That's why it's confusing, because I was like, are they gonna fuck? And it's like, no. I guess I just. Like, they're brother and sister who miss each other. But those cuts, when you leave it too long, it feels like there is something under the surface. The only person it worked on is Bill Paxton. Because when he gets crazy, like when he's like. When he looks like he's about to eat her or something, it's like, I'm like, yeah, I'm all like. I don't know when he became crazy,

[B]

but in my notes, I was like, ooh, I wish Paxton had been this crazy and chewing the scenery the whole time. You know what I mean? I wish that it had been. Because the first. The movie again, is two hours long. And the first hour is exactly lacy to what you're saying. So long, lingering shots that are seem, like, pointlessly, like, not. They're not setting anything up.

[A]

CGI Eagle for such a long time. I'm like. And like, in the stock footage of Even the snow leopards, it's like, what are we doing here? I don't understand all these. Like, it's. I think it's like, to show you the majesty.

[C]

We only got 80 pages, but don't worry, we gonna turn it into 120 when we're done with all these random shots that we need. And to your point, Jason, about Bill Paxton becoming crazy man. And. And to you as well, chewing the scenery. Paul, this line. I wrote this down when Bill Paxton is having his moment where he's like, I'm going to Throw all caution to the wind. We're ignoring base camp. We're all going to die for this commercial. And I'mma bully y' all into it. He's Bill Paxton Said says, oh, you thought the mountain was just gonna lift up her skirt for us. My favorite line, Bill, why you gotta rape the mountain? Why? Why, why? Why?

[A]

It's so gross. Like that actually that made me go, I never want to mountain climb. Because now you've made it into this thing where you're. You're saying you're gonna fuck this mountain, you're conquering this mountain. It's like it gave me a whole different taste of what mountain climbing is about. I don't like it.

[B]

He's intimating. What do you think the mountain's gonna give consent? What are we doing here?

[A]

Oh, my God. Like, there is so much here. I guess like he's supposed to be Richard Branson. Cause Richard Branson at this point is like the Virgin guy. Not a Virgin, but the owner of like Virgin Megastore and Virgin Everything. Like, so I feel like he had the planes and at that point he was known for doing these extreme things. But I do feel like it is like he's like, he's also killed people on this mountain that didn't find out that Bill Paxton has killed other people and keeps on going up. Like, so just. Just keep on killing more and more people. Is just a really wild character.

[B]

Well, also, like, it's. And it's also in service of, as you keep pointing out, Lacy, a commercial. It's not like, oh, and we're going to find the reserves, the oil reserves that are going to make us so much richer or we're going to find the Fountain of Youth or we're going to find. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like they're in search of something absolutely game changing for. For them. They are just trying to shoot a commercial. And that is absolutely makes him seem even crazier. But this really is also peak adrenaline junkie, like, nonsense, you know, people doing crazy shit just because it can be done.

[C]

And you know what would have helped homegirl's plot? What's her name? Eileen Adley.

[A]

Oh, the. The bandana girl?

[C]

No, the sister An. So it would have helped an so much as a character if when she was talking about spreading her father's ashes on K2, she had the ashes with her and that. And then that made sense because otherwise the whole time that she's going up with crazy ass Bill, I didn't understand why she Kept agreeing with him. And then after he murders homie, she's like, hits him for a little, like, you bastard. Why would you murder our homie like that? Okay, let's get his blue. What you got on board so fast, girl?

[B]

Like, oh, and that man.

[C]

You should have killed that man in the beginning. Because Bill Paxton got to that cave and immediately became Smeagol. And all of a sudden, all the shots of him were him under, like. Like, he was hunched over underneath, like, rock caps, leering at everybody like, I need all that deck by the weed.

[A]

I wish he had gold buried up there. I wish he had gold. And he was just trying to get his gold, because I would buy that more than the commercial. Commercial. Oh, my.

[B]

It does. It does feel like K2 is Mount Doom in this. And that is. This is the fellowship is trying to risk.

[A]

I mean, Chris o' Donnell would be a great. Yeah, so this is my favorite part, too, obviously. You know, whenever you do a movie like this, you have to put the real people in. So they put that guy Ed. Ed in there. Like, he. He's the guy who looks the most uncomfortable on camera because, like, when Bill Paxton gets off the plane, he's. He's like, Ed Beasters. It's an honor to meet you. Elliot Vaughn. Nice to meet you. Hey, you wouldn't believe this guy. Five times up to Everest, one of the only men to climb 12 of the world's 14 highest peaks, all without oxygen. Rock on. By comparison, all of us are merely amateurs. It's a real honor.

[B]

Ed.

[A]

Welcome to Base Camp. Welcome to Base Camp. Like, it's like. It's like he's a little. Like, he's not an actor. He's a real guy.

[C]

He's a real guy. That makes sense why they left him. Cause they were like, oh, you are too good to go with us up the mountain, Mr. Good Guy who can survive. You stay down here so you don't have to act.

[A]

Good luck up there. Like, you know, it's like. And. And. But there is something really funny about this. I was. Again, things I was reading last night was Ed is, I guess, becoming, like, the technical consultant on this movie. But he, like, he did have, like, a crazy disaster where he was escorting a rich guy up the mountain, and that guy lost both of his hands and was not able to grasp the line on the descent. Like, so, like, this guy is like, yeah, yeah, this is kind of a fun story. He literally, like, went through a. Like, a shocking, scary thing, and it was like, good luck. He couldn't Say, like, hey, be careful up there. When I was up there just a couple of years ago, guy lost his hands. Like, doesn't give him any words of warning. Doesn't act as any, like, baseline of like, hey, it's dangerous. Like, no. He's like, go for it, my friend.

[C]

I'm not gonna do it. But y' all get out there.

[A]

I mean, it's crazy to have that. Like, a guy who literally has been through trauma being like, hey, no problem. This is.

[C]

This is the 2000. The very beginning of the 2000. So problematic was very. And right. I feel like he probably didn't even get a script. They were like, we're doing this mountain movie. We only need you to shoot for a week. You got like four scenes. And then they're like, eh, go. And they just told him what to say.

[A]

But like, you also the grill in the camp, and you serve the. And you serve the buds, the Budweisers up there.

[C]

You know what really pissed me off about base camp, too? It's like, I get that there was an action movie, so they were trying to have these funny moments that they shoehorned in there that were wildly inappropriate at the time. So when they're at base camp and the avalanche happens, the first one, they at base camp are like, oh, my God. This one lady just starts crying uncontrollably, loud as fuck. She was like, ah.

[B]

Ah.

[C]

They did, they did, they did. And everybody looking at her like, can you shut up? And eventually they do tell her, like, can you shut up? Or, like, get out of here with the hooting and hollering. Everybody's so sad, right? Then they get communication. They're like, oh, my God, they're not dead. This is amazing. And then the next time we see base camp, they're like, yeah, they not dead, but they trapped, so they as good as dead. We ain't helping them packing up their shit.

[A]

Just be a peace.

[B]

See you later. Well, they also, like, they're Only three of them aren't dead. The rest are like, they lost a bunch of people.

[C]

Oh, right.

[B]

And that's what's crazy is, like, people are dying constantly, and everybody's just kind of like, ah, all right.

[A]

Because no one knows each other. I mean, that's really what it is, right? Scott Glenn doesn't know, you know, doesn't know the.

[B]

The siblings.

[A]

Yeah. So, like, Scott Glenn doesn't know them, but he doesn't know their father. Right. But it doesn't seem like that really even plays in too much. They're on A mission where everybody on the mission doesn't know each other. Endor has met each other just, like 12 hours before. And then it's like, then the brother and sister who would have the most bond, they are separated, so they can't communicate. And then you just have a straight up villain who is like, you can't have anything with him. There's no emotional stakes. Like, everybody is disposable.

[B]

They make a bunch of choices that make it even harder. Like, I feel like the movie suggests, but doesn't follow through on that maybe Robin Tunney and Bill Paxton have a romantic relationship.

[C]

That's what they said in the beginning.

[B]

Yeah, they hint at it. They share kind of a chast kiss at one point. And I was like, wait, are they a couple? Are they not? And in which case I would have been if they were romantically involved. Then I'd be like, I understand why Robin Tunney is maybe making bad choices because she's connected to this guy emotionally. It's not just a job for her where. Because otherwise I agree, she would be siding with. Is it Tom who's the team leader or whatever.

[A]

Or make it make her in a relationship with Tom great. Then, like, when he dies, it becomes a movie. Or even make the crazy millionaire be duplicitous in some way. I think that that's like, his charm is like, hey, I'm here to make this work. Like, be a nice guy and then reveal that you're evil because all you're really doing besides that is you're just watching people slip, fall, scream, and like. And just go, like, you know, lift

[B]

up with that in a very bad, like, green screen environment.

[C]

Yeah, it's like watching the Sims die. Like, I have no connection to any of these. And, like, even the vignette where it's like, we have the guy who's Muslim and he's gotta stop and pray, and the other guy's like, hey, I know you gotta pray to Mecca, but we also gotta climb this mountain real quick because we don't got a lot of time. And then they have this weird conversation about religion that makes no sense. And I guess it's supposed to be the foreshadowing to their death. I don't even know. But we're not even saying, oh, yeah, they blow up then. And like. But those conversations seem to keep happening. One that really pissed me off, and this is a director's choice too, is when they were loading up to get on the helicopter to do their choppy ass drop off, one that could have Been a moment where they all bonded together and maybe like, give them something. Give them something. But they didn't. They just all split up and move on. But while they're loading that helicopter, Bandana lady and o' Donnell have this moment where they. He's like, bandana lady, why you coming on this trip? Bandana Lady? And she's like, I'm a slave to Bill Paxton and I'm about to buy my freedom. But this whole conversation could have happened while they were loading up. They had a separate cut of loading things onto the helicopter where no conversation is happening. And then another cut to like them individually being shot in. In ones, you know, and like, learn

[B]

the lesson from Law and Order. Do it. Do the exposition while you're doing the action.

[C]

While you're doing the action. And then tie that weird joke with the foot stretching in right after. I could have cut that sound so much it was bothering the fuck out of me. But it kept happening throughout the thing. And like you said about Bill Paxton's evil man character, I would have liked to see the duplicity as well. Show. Show me that smiling guy. But the whole time he's hiding this dex. If he's gonna murder the. The guy who. Cuz he. We already knew he was gonna murder him because the second they landed in the ice cave, homie started coughing like. And then Bill Paxton looked at him like, smeago, like, oh, I'm killing you.

[A]

And by the way, just for context, this movie takes place in less than 12 hours. Everyone loses their goddamn mind.

[B]

Truly.

[A]

It's like. Like they go bonkers. Bonkers. Like, he coughs once and it's like, all right, we're done.

[B]

I wouldn't. If he had started to try and eat that guy. Like, this is what we're doing.

[C]

Also how they run out of. If it takes days to climb this damn mountain, how y' all running out of fire already. Y' all had your backpacks on you, so how you running out of supplies already?

[B]

Oh my.

[A]

Well, because you know why? Because the. This is my. Again, like, they start off the movie, they're doing that thing where like, Robin Tunis, like, going across this crevasse, and then the minute they can get off, they have. There's a scene with like, her and the millionaire and they're both eating and drinking so much. I'm like, maybe you should like, save some of this. Like, he's eating a bar, she's drinking water. Like, I'm like, I don't think you're doing that much. Like chowing down after like you like climb for 10 minutes, I was like, I feel like they used all their supplies immediately. Like they did not know. And they also are going up with one bottle of water. Did they say that too? Like, hey, you only have one bottle of water up there, so you got to buy boil. It's like, I think if you're going up the mountain, carry a couple. You could carry a couple bottles. What else is in the backpack?

[C]

Water is heavy, but you can carry a couple.

[B]

I think their intention is to melt snow.

[C]

Okay, that was my kid to melt it and they did have the kid to melt it.

[A]

Hot water.

[C]

Yeah, but, but speaking to that. Yes, they were eating barbecue and all that before they go up this heavy ass mountain on plates.

[A]

On like, on, like, like, like.

[B]

So funny if in the middle of this whole movie just one of the characters kept having like barbecue diarrhea.

[C]

One of them was supposed to remember the one guy who didn't end up going up the mountain. He was some CEO guy who was attached to the evil Bill Paxton. Why did they have, why did they even have camera? Like, why did they spend any time on him if they weren't going to take him up the mountain or anything? They were just like, he ran with some toilet paper and they were like, he got a boo boo a lot and I got to take him up the mountain. Hope you're not tethered in the rope behind him because he just going to be shitting on your face. What? And then he even comes up the mountain.

[A]

Now I know that Jason does not watch Survivor, but Lacey, I don't know if you do. One of my favorite things about Survivor is they always are like giving these people like treats. Like today, guys, the prize is Applebee's. Now they've been on this island in Survivor and they've not been eating or they. Oh yeah, they're always Applebee's. Always Applebee's.

[C]

So far away from the island.

[A]

Well, so they create a little fake Applebee's like in a shack. Like, so when they win, they go to an Apple Applebee's. And so, but they've been eating rice and everything. And then they go to Applebee's and they have like. And it's. It looks like they're at Applebee's and I'm like, the shits that are going on if you've not eaten for like 12 days. And then you eat like a bourbon barbecue burger and fries and a margarita. Like, I mean that's the show that I want to see is just people like, their bodies are, no, I can't handle this. It's like, it's so. It always grosses me out that, like, bodies are not meant for Apple.

[C]

That's a part of surviving. I actually think that was great brand alignment on Applebee's part. There were like regular civilians who come in Applebee's every day. They fighting battles on them toilets. So survivor, if you can get through our Hennessy bourbon hookah wings.

[A]

I also love that, like, that's a great advertisement for Applebee's to be like, hey. Because everyone loves it so much, it's like, yeah, when you give it to starving people, they're going to be, this is the best food I've ever eaten in my life. It's the easiest way to be like,

[B]

you see our food works. I'm sure somewhere in the contract, Applebee's has to be like, you can't air them throwing it up. You can't air them having diarrhea. You can't air them having any kind of negative reaction, which I'm sure everybody's bodies is rejecting this incredibly.

[C]

They have to be ravenous, ravenously hungry. And then Applebee's to is going. Going to hit Taco Bell. Should have gotten on that. Like, Taco Bell is known for being the drunk food.

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Tell me, what is the message?

[B]

Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion.

[A]

All right, thank you, John Lajoie. So Vertical Limit has you. Get ready for it. An average rating of 4.6 out of 5 stars on Amazon. And? And they have got a lot of reviews. Over 2000 reviews and 77% are 5 star reviews.

[C]

Hell, yeah.

[B]

This is blowing my mind.

[C]

It makes sense.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

So this first review is from Karen Landry, and she titles the review A Gift that Made My Best Friend Smile. This was a gift to a good friend whose dream it is to travel to Tibet and spend a few weeks there with the local residents. Not climbing, just hiking and seeing an area that she's dreamed of all of her life. She and her family love this movie. Not just for the thrill and the tension, but for the beauty as well. Five stars. Wait, so you're watching this as a National Geographic document? Like, this is not like, oh, finally I get to see what it would be like to be there. It's like, this is a green screen. Go down.

[B]

It'd be like being like, finally I got to be close to an eagle.

[C]

Also strange that she was like, my bestie really wants to go to Tibet and she wants to hide. So I took her to this movie where everybody falls off the mountain and explodes to really inspire her trip.

[A]

Where do the people fall from the sky after they were cut free from the cords? Where?

[B]

Oh, over there.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Like, it's like my friend always wanted to experience an explosion from nitro and I, I took her to see this movie.

[A]

Where do you keep the nitro? And is it leaking, by the way? That whole tent would be exploding now. This is a reviewer that I was not going to read, but because I thought it was a joke, but I actually think it's real. The name is. And excuse me for this, this is where I thought it was a joke. The name is anal thrasher69.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And anal. Yes, but, but, but you can't thrash in 69.

[C]

Just want to say no.

[A]

Yes. I mean, this is. Unless you're climbing a mountain. This movie inspired me to take a pricey vacation to Nepal to hike the mountains.

[C]

What?

[A]

While my trip there wasn't nearly as cold or as dangerous as the one in the movie, I still had an awesome time and would recommend that destination to those who like physical challenges. Just stay away from the Indian food. It gave me the squirts for two whole days. Lol. Five stars.

[B]

Oh my God. Can you imagine if this movie inspired you to go.

[A]

This is the movie that is getting

[C]

people out of the house to go climb a mountain. Also, it's not lost on me, Paul, that when you read that Anal Thrasher also said, like, it's not as thrilling as the movie, but it was still. Did you want it to be as thrilling as the movie? Did you want someone to saw you off a rope to your death? Is that. He was like, I didn't see as many people falling off the mountain as I would have hoped because I thought they was just gonna be falling like flies.

[B]

Hey, if you're going in order to see nitro explosions, multiple avalanches, and people raining from the sky, it's kind of boring. In reality, it's like those things when they show you the video, it's like on social media it looks like this, but in reality it looks like this.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You know, it's the. It's those fake out things.

[A]

Oh, I'm glad he gave me the warning about the Indian food giving him the squirts. Anyway, anal fracture 69 is also just a rough name to pick when you are giving an earnest review. It's a like, again, I Was going to avoid it, but I'm like, it seemed like he went also.

[C]

Well, I mean his anus did get thrashed because he got the.

[B]

Truly to also to include your own personal experience with diarrhea in a movie review is really weird to be like, my review of this movie is I had the squirts in this movie.

[A]

Not even related to it. I just had Indian food when I went on vacation.

[C]

Yes, you were looking for connection.

[A]

Now this one has a great spelling error in it and I'll read it as written. This is from John K. Dahl, written in 2023. If you like action, suspense and the bad guy getting his come up muffins, you will like this movie. So holy.

[B]

The cum muffins obviously is definitely cum muffins. And it's like a tin. It's like a 50s woman holding a tin of muffins.

[C]

Yeah. And you know the only way you can get your cum muffins is if K2 lifts up her skirt and that's how you get your cum muffins.

[B]

Yes, it's a woman holding a tray of muffins but her skirt is up and K2 is underneath it. She's all woman on top and all mountain on the bottom.

[A]

This shirt is being made. Oh, we gotta do it. But that's the thing that I love is like this person definitely heard comeuppance and I think tried to write it like come muffins. And I wanna hear John K. Dahl say come muffins to somebody. He's like, oh yeah man.

[B]

Oh they really got my cum muffins.

[A]

John, we have to see you in HR right now. You're talking to your Cummings Muffins company

[C]

wide email and you said everyone meet. We're meeting in the conference room so I could get my C muffins.

[A]

Oh my God. My God. Come muffins to me is one of

[B]

the greatest misspeaks or mishears I've ever heard.

[A]

Oh God.

[C]

It's like he never read that word. Never saw it on her. Just heard it. Just heard it.

[B]

Just heard it and understand. But like I love. He understands the context, the correct context in its use, but still thinks it's cum muffins. That's unreal.

[C]

Also I did like have a like a full like cringe moment when homie was in the cliff and found out that Wick the Wick guy, when he was like telling o' Donnell his plans, he was like, no, I'm going up there to kill Bill Paxton because he killed my lady. He was like, hey man, you can't do that. And then Wick was like, hey, you can't go without me because you've reached the vertical limit.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

When you say the title. Oh, I love. I love it. I love when you get to say the titular line of a movie like, it is the best.

[B]

It was great. It felt satisfying. And as you dumb movies like this that do that, you know, well, as

[A]

satisfying as that was to you, I also found satisfaction in the world. Worst typeface for the title Vertical Limit. It looked like. Like a ghosty font in the beginning. Like, when they first go. I was like. It was, like, so cheap. Like, it didn't look. It didn't look like K2 or something hard. It just felt like Vertical Limit. It felt like a little like it was in the clouds. I just. I was like, ooh. Whenever I see a title that's that bad, I'm like, this movie is. This is gonna be a rough one. I love that we got to watch our. Our summer extreme with you. Lacy. What a great, great experience to have you here. You are. You're doing so much. Obviously, Scam Goddess, a hit show that you can listen at any point. You can listen to whatever scam you want to get into. Jason and I did one about the NBA scandal.

[C]

Oh, that was so cool.

[A]

But is there anything you want to plug? Yeah.

[C]

Come join us at Scam Goddess. It's a comedy podcast about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. And this coming July, I will be at iHeartRadio, and there will be full length of video. I know you guys have been asking for that. You're going to be right there in it with us. We're going to the vertical limit. We're taking it all the way to the vertical limit. Yeah. You can watch Scam Goddess on Hulu. You can get the book wherever you get books or audiobook. And you can hear me narrating my life of scams and a lot of hot mess that you'll probably want to get into.

[A]

And, yeah, it is one of my favorite shows. You are fantastic and so fun and. And look, we're not running out of scams. We're not running out of scams.

[B]

No, it's scams. Scams in this country are like nitro that's been left out in the sun. They are exploding.

[A]

Is there anything that you could, like, if. If you have a person listening for the first time, is there one that you are, like, you got to, like if you want to check in on one of your favorite ones? Is there a good favorite Scam that you can throw people to.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, the Sean King episodes are super fun. I just.

[A]

I actually sent that to somebody the other day because it was like. Because the people are like, well, I don't understand. I'm like, here, this will explain everything that you need.

[C]

And I get it. He was wild. A one stop shop for activism. But he was every gofundme was him go funding himself. Okay. You know, when he said united Negro, he said he meant himself, possibly a negro united with his family. That's where the money was going. Okay. But yes, you could get into that. One of our most recent episode with me, Sid and Marie is super fun. All the episodes are fun. You can really jump in anywhere. I try to keep it consistent. But yes, it's a good time. If you like comedy, like scams this vertical limb. I would have never seen this movie. So thank you all for that. Seeing a movie with a poster that has definitely clip art, you know, text on it, is wonderful to me. I feel like I could have made that on Instagram story. It's given the paperclip was like, would you like to put a white line around these red letters? And they were like, yes, paperclip. Love that for me.

[A]

Now, by the way, just so you know, as we were talking about this, I just realized that the tagline for this movie, the mountain will decide. Whoa. So the mountain is the villain. The mountain is the straight up.

[B]

The mountain is the antagonist. Antagonist to the mountain.

[C]

The mountain ate nobody.

[A]

Oh, my man. This mountain gave them all STDs.

[C]

Or it should have been a horror film. Then the deaths would have made more sense. Like, the mountain is sentient and it doesn't want anybody riding it.

[B]

I would have loved it if at the end of the movie, like, Chris o' Donnell and Robin Tunney were like, in an apartment in New York City and they're like, oh, okay, we made it. They looked out the window and K2 was right there.

[C]

K2 follows that home. Yep.

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