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John Spacer
Audio.
Eugene
Look, I'm here right now, and that's what they're saying, okay? Yeah, yeah, I know. That's the point.
Dr. Dan
Well, I'm.
Eugene
Look, if you didn't sign off on it, then who did? I'm sorry.
John Spacer
It's just.
Eugene
No, he's not dead. There wasn't any report. The guards don't seem like they're hiding anything.
John Spacer
It's just.
Eugene
Because I used to be a cop. Okay, well, ask the judge, then. Ask him again. I'm at the prison right now, and they're telling me John Spacer was released two days ago. So where is he?
Dr. Dan
It's.
John Spacer
Go ahead. I'll follow you.
Dr. Mayfield
So if you haven't figured it out yet, this is a whole new ball game. Probably a new format. You're not used to new people. Definitely some weird stuff. Lots of confusion.
John Spacer
I'm not confused.
Dr. Mayfield
I meant me. That machine is new.
John Spacer
You don't like it?
Dr. Mayfield
I can't stand tech. What's funny?
John Spacer
It's ironic that you work here.
Dr. Mayfield
Life's cruel.
John Spacer
Over here.
Dr. Mayfield
That's Fred. Dr. Wheel. Dr. Mayfield. There's a bunch of people there who we can meet later. Doctor.
John Spacer
Dr. Dan. Nice to meet you. John Spacer.
Dr. Mayfield
He's a new member of the team.
John Spacer
Ah, yes. Dr. Lewis passed along your file. I'd love to take a peek at that brain of yours sometime.
Dr. Mayfield
Leave the new guy alone, Dan. Don't mind Dan. He's just interested.
John Spacer
Right. When do I meet Dr. Lewis?
Dr. Mayfield
She's preparing a body for you in the lab. The main area is accessible to everyone with level two clearance. But to get into Dr. Lewis lab. You need a whole different level. Which, of course, I have.
John Spacer
Something wrong? I just didn't realize I was doing an autopsy.
Dr. Mayfield
Isn't that what you do?
John Spacer
I just figured the work I'd be doing was something different, like, I don't know, help with research. Sweep the fucking lab?
Dr. Mayfield
There's nothing wrong with sweeping the lab.
John Spacer
Just busy work or something. For those three weeks.
Dr. Mayfield
Two weeks and four days.
John Spacer
Now, that's an exact date.
Dr. Mayfield
Living quarters are that way. I'll intro you to the rest of the team later. Here's the lab. Sorry, Eugene, you're not allowed.
John Spacer
But he is.
Dr. Mayfield
That's just how it works.
John Spacer
I was given full access to me.
Dr. Mayfield
But not to the lab. Plus, if anybody in there kills me, you'll see it through the glass.
John Spacer
Unbelievable. Wow.
Dr. Mayfield
Impressive, huh?
John Spacer
No, I mean, it is. It's huge. But that wasn't why I. I've been inside the old defunct Springfield Lab. Back a year ago. A couple times, actually. And this place just looks really similar. Minus the bubble. It is really similar.
Dr. Mayfield
It is the same. This was an old lab we took over.
John Spacer
Jeez, that's fucked.
Dr. Mayfield
It's easier to figure out what the hell went wrong when we're surrounded by the same machines they used. This one was shut down in 1989, too. Part of the same experiment that got us.
John Spacer
Us? As in you and me?
Dr. Mayfield
And a whole lot of other people who are in here yet.
John Spacer
I'm sorry, I'm confused.
Dr. Mayfield
I knew there was confusion.
John Spacer
You told me this government organization was trying to undo what Springfield Corps did. I did say that. So, what are you guys researching?
Dr. Lewis
Ah. You must be Dr. Spacer.
John Spacer
Dr. Lewis. It's great to meet you, but I'm not a doctor anymore.
Dr. Lewis
They took away your brilliance along with the piece of paper.
John Spacer
I guess not.
Dr. Lewis
Good, because if they did, then we wouldn't have much use for you then, would we? Have you confirmed it?
Dr. Mayfield
Not yet.
Dr. Lewis
Go and get the patient.
John Spacer
Then.
Dr. Lewis
Please write. This way, Dr. Spacer.
John Spacer
Um, confirm what?
Dr. Lewis
If you can really do what you say you can do. Or said, rather, since apparently in all your court cases you've walked it back.
John Spacer
I'm sorry, have I. Did I do something?
Dr. Lewis
There are a lot of people in the world, Dr. Spacer, so it shouldn't be outside of the realm of safety to assume that some of them are batshit crazy hoaxters. So we like to confirm.
John Spacer
I'm not crazy.
Dr. Lewis
I didn't say you were. Have a seat. Please. Please. Here you go.
John Spacer
What's this?
Dr. Lewis
Everything you'll need to take a blood Sample? You remember how to correct a blood sample from yourself?
John Spacer
All right.
Dr. Lewis
Is there a problem?
John Spacer
I'm here because Alex asked me to talk to his ghost. After he's murdered. So he can figure out who killed him.
Dr. Lewis
And the fact that you can say that sentence with a complete straight face isn't concerning to you?
John Spacer
Maybe this was a mistake.
Dr. Lewis
Would you like to go back to prison?
John Spacer
Uh. What was that?
Dr. Lewis
The blood test, please. Dr. Spacer.
Dr. Mayfield
What the f. Are you all set? Dr. L?
John Spacer
What is this?
Dr. Lewis
That she is our patient and your second confirmation.
John Spacer
What? What do you mean?
Dr. Mayfield
To make sure you can help me.
Dr. Lewis
Whenever you're ready.
John Spacer
What the. Why do you have a gun?
Dr. Mayfield
We just spent a few days alone together. And you've killed at least two people. You think I'm not packing?
Dr. Lewis
Use a syringe. Please. I don't want the cleanup.
Dr. Mayfield
Sure thing.
John Spacer
This is screwed up. What even is that thing? It's got. You have it in a cage. What are you doing to it?
Eugene
Killing it.
John Spacer
What?
Dr. Lewis
To confirm. You can do what you say you can.
John Spacer
No. Don't look. I can't. Why'd you do that? I can't talk to animal ghosts. It doesn't work like.
Rhea
Hello?
John Spacer
That thing was human. She.
Dr. Mayfield
It's working.
John Spacer
She.
Dr. Lewis
Correct. She is human. Technically. According to their genetic makeup, they match completely. Except for the degradation of cells.
Rhea
Am I Finally.
John Spacer
Oh, my God.
Dr. Lewis
Are you looking at her?
John Spacer
The. The goat. I. Hi. My name is John. You're. You're okay.
Dr. Mayfield
Rhea. Her name was Rhea.
John Spacer
Rhea. I can see you. You're a ghost. Because.
Dr. Dan
Thank you. Thank you. I can't touch him. He can't see me.
John Spacer
He can't, But I can.
Dr. Lewis
Interesting.
Dr. Dan
Tell him thank you.
Alex
Why?
John Spacer
Alex. Yo.
Dr. Dan
Thank you. Alex. God. It's finally over.
John Spacer
Maria says to thank you. She's glad it's finally over.
Dr. Lewis
Ask her why.
Dr. Dan
I can hear you.
Dr. Lewis
Ria. Why are you saying thank you?
John Spacer
God.
Dr. Dan
I was in so much pain. So much anger. I couldn't do anything but watch myself.
John Spacer
You were still cognizant during that. While you were.
Dr. Lewis
Would you look at that?
Dr. Dan
It was like having a really bad migraine. That aura, or whatever you have right before it happens. You see light, feel it throbbing. But it was like something else was in control. Making me hurt myself. Others I couldn't control. Oh, God. I'm so sorry. I. You don't understand. I. Oh, God. Kill me. Make it stop. Put me back. Make it go away.
John Spacer
Raya.
Dr. Lewis
You'll have to give us the abridged portion.
John Spacer
She's screaming.
Dr. Dan
No.
Dr. Mayfield
I can't just.
John Spacer
Hey, hey. It's okay. You shouldn't feel any more pain.
Dr. Dan
You don't understand what I did. I hurt people. I killed my husband. I killed him.
John Spacer
You just said you couldn't control. Ah, the.
Dr. Lewis
Alex, Prepare the body.
John Spacer
Where are you going? You can't just. Can't just jab somebody and take their blood.
Dr. Lewis
It was apparent you weren't going to do it.
John Spacer
Hey, don't. I'll be right back. I.
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John Spacer
What is going on?
Dr. Lewis
I'm doing the second confirmation.
John Spacer
All of this is to prove that I can talk to ghosts. I think that's pretty apparent after what happened out there.
Dr. Lewis
I am a scientist, Dr. Spacer scientists rely on proof before making a conclusion. Would you claim a cause of death just because a ghost told you? Of course you wouldn't.
John Spacer
I'm done with this. You can't just. No one should be able to do what you just did out there. Give me some kind of explanation or I walk. Hey. What was all that?
Dr. Lewis
That doctor Spacer was the result of an unstructured inhumane experiment conducted by the Springfield Corps Lab on a living person. And my job is to figure out how to stop that from ever happening again. So please forgive me if I am a little less than cordial when it comes to explaining our goings on to someone who shouldn't even be here in the first place.
John Spacer
You asked me here.
Dr. Lewis
Alex did. He's a stray. He collects strays. And I am very much going to miss him when he's gone. And I'd like you to tell him that once he is.
John Spacer
You believe me now?
Dr. Lewis
Your blood test confirms it.
John Spacer
Here. Can I.
Dr. Lewis
This type of abnormality has appeared in the cell formation. For all of the experiments we've tested.
John Spacer
So far, I don't see any abnormality. I've had blood tests before and no one's ever seen anything odd.
Dr. Lewis
That's because they can't.
John Spacer
Again. I don't understand.
Dr. Lewis
Cell death is always happening. Technically, after the age of 25, more cells die each day than the human body can replace. Every single person has a predetermined biological clock. And that's what I can see here. A difference in cell death. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. Always odd. Someone might be able to conclude that. That by taking an atomic clock and measuring the nanoseconds it takes for the cells to decay and compare that to healthy cells. Blah, blah. That's my published research. But the truth is that I can see it. I can watch the cells begin to die and see exactly the rate at which they'll cease to exist. It's almost like a predictor of when you'll die just by looking at your blood. The research is a pretense for getting this information out there. Just like your career as a pathologist was.
John Spacer
So you. You could have done this blood test and spared that woman's life out there?
Dr. Lewis
That wasn't a life. Besides, not everyone who has the abnormality gets something good out of it and.
John Spacer
Hardly call any of this good.
Dr. Lewis
It could have been worse. You can. Could have ended up like her.
John Spacer
No. So that she's. What?
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John Spacer
Where are you going now?
Dr. Lewis
You help me conduct the autopsy.
John Spacer
Hey, I'm not doing that.
Dr. Lewis
I thought you Were interested in learning about what was going on. Now is your chance. The autopsy room is this way. Alex.
Dr. Mayfield
She's waiting inside.
John Spacer
What about Rhea?
Dr. Lewis
What about her?
John Spacer
She stopped screaming. Rhea, Can I talk to you?
Dr. Lewis
The answers you'll get from her body will be more satisfying than whatever she tells you. Coming?
John Spacer
What if I don't?
Dr. Lewis
Then you'll be left with your questions.
John Spacer
What the fuck?
Dr. Mayfield
What are you going to do?
John Spacer
You could have warned me, you know. About the work we were doing. The gun. Jesus.
Dr. Mayfield
Dr. Lewis wanted to explain.
John Spacer
Yeah. That's one hell of a warm welcome.
Dr. Mayfield
You don't have to participate in the work. I mean, Dr. Lewis won't actually send you back to prison until after I'm dead. So you could just tell her no and hang out here for a few weeks.
John Spacer
Rhea? Are you okay?
Dr. Dan
You must be an idiot, huh? No, I am not okay.
John Spacer
I just want to talk to you to help figure out what happened.
Dr. Dan
They already know what happened. They fucking did this to me. And all those people in the square.
John Spacer
What do you mean square?
Dr. Dan
The town square. We moved to this. This place. A little remote town. And then the storm came and I.
John Spacer
It wasn't your fault.
Dr. Dan
I wanted us to move. I brought us there.
John Spacer
We make decisions with the information we have at the time.
Rhea
Yeah.
John Spacer
What the Springfield Corporation did to you was wrong. But we're hopefully gonna make sure it never happens again.
Dr. Dan
Did these still do it? Kid, I've seen more experiments come and go over the years. And after each one, some scientist or another tells Rice they're done.
Rhea
But they're never done.
John Spacer
I think this. Me. My ability to talk to you was a byproduct of another experiment in 89. It seems like one of the Springfield Labs figured out how to spread the effect or something. So it wasn't as concentrated. So less people ended up like me. How long?
Rhea
Since 1967.
John Spacer
Really?
Rhea
They moved me and the others from facility to facility. Kept us in cages, studied, experimented on us more.
John Spacer
But you don't sound like you've aged. And you've been like that for over.
Rhea
It wasn't until recently that they even realized we were still in here.
John Spacer
50 years.
Dr. Dan
What?
John Spacer
Sorry? You were still aware even when something.
Rhea
Else steered the ship?
Dr. Dan
Yeah.
John Spacer
I can't imagine what you went through.
Dr. Dan
But imagine being in constant pain and unable to scream for 50 years.
John Spacer
I'm so sorry.
Rhea
Do you want me to tell you it's okay? Is that it?
John Spacer
No. I want to help you.
Rhea
You said as much. But help me with what? Any unfinished business I had would have been moot a long time ago.
John Spacer
Make sense of it. Talk to someone who can hear you. For the last time, I made sense.
Rhea
Of it all on my own. People talk in those facilities. I heard what Lewis said to you. You want information. So quit pussyfooting around it and just ask.
John Spacer
Who is Royce? You mentioned the name. What's funny?
Rhea
You're more out of the loop than I thought. Don't trust anyone, kid. You don't get to make that mistake twice.
John Spacer
You can trust me.
Rhea
Then prove it.
John Spacer
Okay. How?
Rhea
Let me go. If this isn't just for you, then tell me how the to get out of here.
John Spacer
You want to move on, whatever you.
Rhea
Call it, I'm dead. I shouldn't exist. So how do I stop?
John Spacer
Are you sure?
Rhea
See? It's not about me.
John Spacer
So. So what?
Dr. Mayfield
What did she say?
John Spacer
Nothing.
Dr. Mayfield
Oh, come on.
John Spacer
You.
Dr. Mayfield
You got, like, the third coolest power of all of us. Don't downplay it.
John Spacer
It's not a power. It's a curse.
Dr. Mayfield
Melody. I'm sorry.
John Spacer
It's fine.
Dr. Mayfield
No, I'm sorry for the secrets.
John Spacer
It's fine.
Dr. Mayfield
Can I get that in writing? Here, let me swipe you in.
Dr. Lewis
Ah. Good of you to join us, Dr. Spacer. Scrub up over there.
John Spacer
Us? I'm sorry, Doc.
Dr. Mayfield
I was told not to tell you about the other doctor until you were here.
John Spacer
Other?
Dr. Lewis
Hey, Johnny boy. Long time, huh?
John Spacer
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Rhea
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John Spacer
To do that we're watching the IMDb viewer rated best and worst episodes of classic TV shows.
Rhea
The episode of Star Trek where Beverly Crusher has sex with a ghost, the episode of the X Files where Scully gets attacked by a vicious house cat.
John Spacer
And also the really good episodes too.
Rhea
What can we learn from the best and worst of great television? Like for example, is it really a bad episode or do people just hate women?
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John Spacer
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Release Date: August 13, 2025
Host/Author: Audiohm Media
Podcast Description: In the enigmatic town of Springfield, bodies are accumulating under mysterious circumstances. Forensic pathologist Jonathan Spacer is determined to uncover the truth, all while harboring his own secrets—including the ability to communicate with the deceased.
The episode begins with John Spacer arriving at a clandestine government facility, seeking answers about his unique ability to communicate with the dead. His interactions with Dr. Mayfield and Dr. Lewis immediately set a tone of tension and suspicion.
John expresses his confusion and frustration over the unexpected nature of his role:
As John navigates the facility, Dr. Mayfield reveals unsettling information about the lab's history and its connection to Springfield Corps.
John's previous encounters with the defunct Springfield Lab add a layer of eerie familiarity:
Dr. Lewis confronts John, challenging the legitimacy of his claims about communicating with ghosts. This pivotal scene tests John’s credibility and introduces the episode’s central conflict.
Dr. Lewis (06:04): "If you can really do what you say you can, or said, rather, since apparently in all your court cases you've walked it back."
Dr. Lewis (14:10): "That doctor Spacer was the result of an unstructured inhumane experiment conducted by the Springfield Corps Lab on a living person. And my job is to figure out how to stop that from ever happening again."
John’s frustration peaks as he grapples with Dr. Lewis's accusations and the demand to prove his abilities:
To validate John’s claims, Dr. Lewis orchestrates a series of tests, including a blood sample analysis meant to confirm his supernatural abilities. The tension escalates as Rhea, a ghost, becomes a central figure in this verification process.
During the test, John's ability is partially validated when he interacts with Rhea:
John Spacer (08:35): "Rhea. I can see you. You're a ghost. Because."
Rhea (09:05): "You must be an idiot, huh? No, I am not okay."
The conversation deepens as Rhea and Dr. Dan reveal the extent of the experiments conducted by Springfield Corps, exposing the prolonged suffering endured by those affected.
Dr. Dan (17:58): "They already know what happened. They fucking did this to me. And all those people in the square."
Rhea (19:17): "Since 1967."
John sympathizes with their plight, leading to a heartfelt exchange about the consequences of the experiments:
John Spacer (19:49): "Imagine being in constant pain and unable to scream for 50 years."
Rhea (20:02): "You said as much. But help me with what? Any unfinished business I had would have been moot a long time ago."
The episode delves into the ethical implications of the experiments conducted by Springfield Corps. Dr. Lewis justifies the inhumane practices under the guise of scientific advancement, raising questions about morality in the pursuit of knowledge.
John confronts Dr. Lewis about the moral repercussions of their actions:
John Spacer (16:15): "So you could have done this blood test and spared that woman's life out there?"
Dr. Lewis (16:21): "That wasn't a life. Besides, not everyone who has the abnormality gets something good out of it."
As the pressure mounts, Dr. Lewis demands John’s compliance in conducting autopsies, revealing the dark truth about the experiments. The tension culminates in a confrontation where John realizes the extent of his entanglement with the facility.
Dr. Lewis (17:01): "The answers you'll get from her body will be more satisfying than whatever she tells you."
John Spacer (17:26): "What the fuck?"
The episode concludes with unresolved tensions and lingering questions about the true nature of the experiments and John’s role within them. The interaction with Rhea and the revelation of past atrocities set the stage for future confrontations and deeper explorations into the mysteries of Springfield.
Dr. Lewis (21:00): "Hey, Johnny boy. Long time, huh?"
John Spacer (22:18): "How I Died is an Audio Media original production..." (Note: This marks the beginning of the outro)
Ethical Boundaries in Science: The episode scrutinizes the moral limits of scientific experimentation, especially when human lives and supernatural elements are involved.
Isolation and Trust: John’s interactions highlight themes of isolation, trust, and the struggle to discern allies from adversaries within the facility.
Supernatural Abilities as Burdens: John's ability to communicate with the dead is portrayed not as a gift but as a curse, burdening him with the weight of others' unresolved deaths.
Institutional Corruption: The narrative exposes deep-seated corruption within Springfield Corps, hinting at widespread unethical practices that extend beyond individual actors.
Dr. Mayfield (04:56): "It's easier to figure out what the hell went wrong when we're surrounded by the same machines they used." [04:56]
John Spacer (13:55): "I'm done with this. You can't just. No one should be able to do what you just did out there. Give me some kind of explanation or I walk." [13:55]
Rhea (20:47): "Let me go. If this isn't just for you, then tell me how to get out of here." [20:50]
Dr. Lewis (15:03): "It's almost like a predictor of when you'll die just by looking at your blood." [15:03]
"An Unwanted Guest" serves as a pivotal episode in the "How I Died" series, unraveling deeper layers of the mysterious Springfield facility and the sinister experiments conducted within. John Spacer's struggle to assert his identity and abilities amid institutional deceit and supernatural phenomena lays the groundwork for intense character development and plot progression in subsequent episodes.