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Narrator
Audio.
Dr. Dan
Dr. John, thank you for waiting.
Dr. John
I'd say not a problem, but I.
Observer/Interjector
Was in here for over an hour.
Dr. John
Just sitting in this room.
Dr. Dan
I know. I was watching. That's why I said thank you. You were right through there. It's all part of the observation process. Normally people get up to check where I am after about 20 minutes, so kudos on the tenacity. You passed.
Dr. John
Great. So how can I help?
Dr. Dan
Help with what?
Dr. John
Dr. Lewis said you could use some assistance.
Dr. Dan
So it's not me? Actually, no.
Dr. John
One second, doctor.
Dr. Dan
Don't worry, I won't disappear again. But if I do, definitely check on me after 20 minutes. Right this way.
Dr. John
What's going on? Is that a body?
Narrator
35 minutes and counting.
Dr. Dan
Dr. Spacer, this is.
Narrator
Let's keep it anonymous now. You go by Dan here.
Dr. Dan
Yeah, I do.
Narrator
Who the hell goes by Dr. Dan?
Dr. Dan
I enjoy the alliteration. So, Dr. John, this is CDC, man.
Dr. John
CDC. You're in a Hazmat suit. Do we need them?
Narrator
Absolutely. Nah, this is a little unorthodox.
Dr. Dan
That's our specialty.
Dr. John
If he needs a HAZMAT suit, we should definitely be wearing them, too.
Dr. Dan
Nonsense. We're all just about to be dosed with the antivirus. Then no worries.
Dr. John
Well, what did the patient have?
Dr. Dan
Well, that is what you have to figure out.
Narrator
30 minutes left.
Dr. Dan
Quick, quick. Dr. John.
Narrator
Sam.
Dr. John
This is ridiculous. You just exposed us to something highly contagious.
Dr. Dan
How do you know it's highly contagious?
Dr. John
The Hazmat suit.
Dr. Dan
It could be an overabundance of caution.
Narrator
It's not.
Dr. John
Let me out of here.
Dr. Dan
Unless you put the entire facility at risk. Dr. John, be responsible.
Narrator
Only five minutes left.
Dr. John
Stop it. I don't know what you want me to do.
Dr. Dan
Didn't I explain it? You did pretty well, I thought.
Narrator
You want to try the patient?
Dr. Dan
We'll call her.
Narrator
Mrs. H. Present @ the hospital with symptoms.
Dr. John
I have the file. What I don't understand is what you want me to actually accomplish here. I'm not an infectious disease expert.
Narrator
We want cause of death.
Dr. John
Then I should be doing an autopsy. In an actual. Or not some rat observatory with an mri.
Dr. Dan
Oh, you won't be doing an autopsy.
Dr. John
What?
Narrator
You can't actually touch the body.
Dr. John
So you want cause of death How?
Dr. Dan
Using your unique talent? Don't worry about the CDC man here. He can keep a secret. Obviously, or we wouldn't have been able to get the patient out of the hospital.
Observer/Interjector
That's not how this works.
Dr. John
Even if I wanted to, I can't just.
Narrator
I've already been briefed. Not that I believe it exactly, but Dan asked that I be in contact with the patient since she died 48 minutes ago.
Dr. John
Contact?
Narrator
As soon as the CDC was alerted, I began talking to the body as instructed. I asked her to follow us and wait nearby. Did it work?
Dr. Dan
Dr. John?
Dr. John
Sheesh.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Mrs. H. You can see me?
Dr. John
I can.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I know. Speak to the dead. They told me. That's why I followed them.
Dr. John
So she is here.
Dr. Dan
Interesting.
Narrator
Such skeptical.
Dr. Dan
Understandable.
Dr. John
I don't feel comfortable with this.
Dr. Dan
He's not gonna say anything to anyone. He stole a dead body from the cdc, for Christ's sake.
Dr. John
I'm not a fucking freak show to be used on display. That's the problem. Not that he knows we're all freak shows.
Dr. Dan
Some more than others.
Dr. John
It's the more than others part that I'm worried about.
Narrator
I've got a hospital with nurses and surgeons showing symptoms similar to. Mrs. H. If you can't figure this out, they'll die.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
You're not gonna help them just because you don't Want to feel like you're being judged? Hell, if you don't help them because of that, then we will definitely judge you.
Dr. John
You're the one that potentially got all those people sick, and you're threatening me now?
Narrator
Arguing with a ghost, supposedly.
Dr. John
God damn. Okay, fine. Give me. Give me the file again.
Narrator
Mrs. H presented with gastrointestinal distress, which was initially ruled out as a side effect of diet.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
They sent me home with some Pepto and told me to try to poop.
Dr. John
Geez.
Narrator
Was she talking?
Dr. John
Go ahead.
Narrator
Over the next few days, patient reported cardiovascular distress. Sorry. I figured she might be saying something again.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
My heart hurt. There's not much else to say.
Dr. John
I'll tell you when.
Narrator
Back at the hospital, doctors noticed neurological degradation after only three days at home. But no one on the case noticed at first.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
No one noticed at first because they weren't paying attention.
Dr. John
She said her doctors weren't paying attention.
Narrator
They'll do an M. And M at the hospital. That's not my concern.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
They could have saved my life if they just took me seriously.
Dr. John
And you're sure this was something contagious? Nothing environmental.
Narrator
She's not from here.
Dr. John
Can you tell me where she is from? All the personal information in here is redacted.
Narrator
It's not anything she caught from her local environment.
Dr. John
How can you know that?
Dr. Dan
They ruled it out, Dr. John.
Dr. John
Hmph. Has the CDC narrowed it down? Or are you just hoping she'll be able to give me the name of this infectious disease?
Narrator
The autopsy is scheduled for less than an hour from now. Which is why I need to get.
Dr. Dan
Her back, which could take hours. Wouldn't you say you'd be able to get some answers a little faster by speaking to her directly?
Dr. John
Fine. What do you want to ask her?
Dr. Dan
It's not me who wants you to ask anything.
Narrator
Ask her what she was feeling toward the end.
Dr. John
She can hear you, remember, right?
Narrator
Mrs. H. Since you were having trouble communicating, can you tell us what you were experiencing?
Dr. John
I can tell them whatever you want me to.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I don't know what to say.
Dr. John
I think he's hoping that you can describe how you felt. To maybe narrow down a list of possibilities. Is that right? It's not often doctors get to ask the patients about the last few things they experience, so you could really help here.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I had chills and nausea for the most part. And after that, just some dizziness. And when I finally did poop, there was blood in it.
Dr. John
Chills, nausea, and bloody stool.
Narrator
Not helpful.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Well, I'm doing the best I can, okay? By the time I Got readmitted to the hospital. I couldn't really think that straight, so who knows what was going on?
Dr. John
Well, what did it feel like?
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Like I was floating. Like I sort of couldn't take in everything around me. And the light?
Dr. John
What about the light?
Narrator
What light?
Dr. Dan
Interesting.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I couldn't look at them. They felt too bright in the room. And I kept switching them lower anytime I was alone.
Dr. John
She said she turned the lights off when she was on.
Dr. Dan
Is she.
Narrator
That wasn't noted?
Dr. Dan
Inconclusive.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Then I was mad at them for turning it back on every time. And then I couldn't hit the switch the last time.
Dr. John
Why not?
Narrator
What'd she say? Shh.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
My hands were shaking.
Dr. John
She said she was mad at the doctors for turning on the lights and she eventually stopped because her hands were shaking.
Narrator
The tremors were listed before the end, right before she died, before she slipped into a coma. Doctors tried broad spectrum antivirals at this point since they ruled out bacterial infection, but it was too late to wake her up. Even if her symptoms lessened, we wouldn't know.
Dr. John
Do you remember anything from your coma?
Mrs. H (Ghost)
No, not really.
Dr. John
No sensations you felt or conversations from the doctors before you died or after you died?
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Can you ask the CDC guy? What else is there to tell you?
Dr. John
What? What does that mean?
Dr. Dan
What?
Dr. John
She says to ask you what else she should tell me, I think.
Narrator
How the hell should I know, Mrs.
Dr. John
H. What are you talking about?
Narrator
Dan? Are. Are you messing with me?
Dr. Dan
Very interesting, Mrs. H. They asked me not to say.
Dr. John
Told you not to say what?
Narrator
15 minutes and I've got to get her back to the lab.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
They told me not to tell you what I had.
Dr. John
You've. They already know the disease.
Dr. Dan
Very, very interesting.
Narrator
Well, either you let it slip or he's some kind of psychic.
Dr. Dan
The only thing we know conclusively is the cat's out of the bag. Cbc. Man.
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Dr. Dan
Relax, Dr. John.
Dr. John
You tricked me. You already knew what killed her.
Dr. Dan
You think anyone's gonna let us take a body from the CDC without knowing what the cause of death was? Even we don't have that kind of pull.
Dr. John
So give me the damn antiviral and let me go. What was the point of all this?
Narrator
Actually, Dr. Dan wasn't lying about that part. I do need your help. See, Mrs. H didn't have an online presence. She was kind of a loner.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
She's still here.
Narrator
No living family, currently unemployed. She wasn't real friendly with her neighbors as far as our officers have been able to pull, but because Hoonin virus, that's what she has, is highly contagious, she could be starting an epidemic either locally, statewide, or worse.
Dr. John
So start handing out the meds.
Narrator
That's the problem. We don't know where she went, who.
Dr. Dan
She saw, or where she contracted it in the first place. Dozens or more people could die from this.
Dr. John
Get an investigator to figure it out.
Dr. Dan
They're on it, but you might be faster if you can get the information.
Narrator
Speaking of, less than 10 minutes and I need to take her.
Dr. John
I'm not familiar.
Narrator
Well, now you know the symptoms. Argentinian mammirenavirus presents very simply with a quick incubation period, typically 10 days from first symptom to Death. But we've got a vaccination with a 95% efficacy rate. If we can figure out who else might be infected.
Dr. John
Argentinian. So it was found in South America?
Narrator
First Hunan. The city. It stems from rats. Typically excrement or aerosolized bodily fluids.
Dr. John
Did you spend a lot of time around sneezing rats, Mrs. H?
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Dr. John
That was facetious. She said no.
Narrator
We figured.
Dr. John
Where else could she have gotten this?
Narrator
It's most often found in field workers due to poor working conditions.
Dr. John
I doubt she did much aside from gardening.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I was an elementary school teacher.
Dr. John
She worked in an elementary school. Maybe one of the kids.
Narrator
No one at the school, a staff or student has been experiencing symptoms. It's the first place we warned.
Dr. John
That's the first noble thing you did all day, it seems.
Dr. Dan
Do we need the snark, Dr. John?
Dr. John
You know, Dan, I would have helped you without you having to lie to me.
Dr. Dan
It was about observing you, nothing else.
Dr. John
And I guess I passed this little test too, huh?
Dr. Dan
Cdc, man.
Narrator
We'll confirm it after this.
Dr. Dan
You've made a believer, Dr. John.
Dr. John
Great. So let's retrace some steps then. You said it was an incubation period of 10 days on average. What's the maximum?
Narrator
We haven't seen anyone survive past 30 days. Once it reaches the brain.
Dr. John
Okay, so all you need to do is remember every place and every one you visited in the past month.
Narrator
You weren't listening. Symptom onset is fast. Typically two days after exposure.
Dr. John
So two days then, Mrs. H?
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I mean, he was right earlier. I didn't go many places. School, home. And that's pretty much it.
Dr. John
Nothing out of the ordinary.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I had a date.
Dr. John
Is that unordinary?
Narrator
Do we just let him?
Dr. Dan
Let him cook?
Mrs. H (Ghost)
It was a guy I met on governmentmingle.gov It's a dating site for government employees. And technically, teachers are employees of the state, which is.
Dr. John
Right. I figured that. Who was the guy?
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Honestly? It was a one night stand type situation. I wasn't even that into him. He was a sommelier. The wine got it.
Dr. John
But I thought he had to be a government employee too.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
On the side. He was a mailman by day. Gerald Rowe. Something. He'd be in my recent contacts and government mingle.
Dr. John
She went on a date last week with a mailman named Jared Freely.
Narrator
That's the info you get out of her. Her love life.
Dr. John
I don't know what else you expect me to get. That's the only thing she's done outside of school or home, apparently. And she doesn't know where she contracted this. So how the hell am I supposed to find out?
Narrator
Mailman.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Hey.
Dr. Dan
If he's sick, is it possible he's spreading the disease on his route?
Narrator
Unlikely. JUNV is almost exclusively a direct contact virus. It doesn't survive long outside the body.
Dr. John
She slept with him.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
I haven't swapped fluids with anyone else in a while, so there's no way I got it from a human other than Gerald.
Dr. John
She said she.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
You don't have to tell them that part.
Narrator
You.
Dr. John
The only other human she had direct contact with was this mailman.
Narrator
I'll have my team look into it, but unless he's sick, too. No one around her was sick.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Not that I know of.
Dr. John
So if this didn't come from an infected human, how else? I mean, other than the sneezing rat.
Narrator
You can't. It's incredibly rare. And the pathology is almost exclusively rats from that part of Argentina, Bolivia, South American countries with farmland.
Dr. John
So it either had to be a rat or a person.
Narrator
This isn't leading anywhere. Thanks for the try, Dan, but I'm out.
Dr. Dan
Rats can migrate.
Narrator
An infected rat isn't going to live long enough to run up here.
Dr. Dan
What about if the rat was shipped? It's possible an infected rat got trapped in some kind of imported good.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Like a contagious Amazon package.
Dr. John
Not unless the rat was in the package. What's that side combo? What are the main Argentinian imports?
Dr. Dan
Well, you don't know those off the top of your head. The USA economy is dependent on fuels.
Narrator
Grains and metals for industrial materials, for consumer goods. I mean, more grains. Wine or the like.
Dr. John
Or wine.
Dr. Dan
We can grab a drink after this. No.
Dr. John
Mrs. H said Jared was an amateur sommelier on the side. If he imported his own wine, it's possible an infected rat got caught in the container, right?
Narrator
It's a long shot, but possible. I'm overtime.
Dr. Dan
Let me know what you find out.
Narrator
We're never here, Dan.
Dr. Dan
I appreciate you giving him the opportunity.
Dr. John
Wait. If this pans out, how are you gonna explain where you got the details?
Narrator
That's the thing about being right. No one really cares how you came across the truth. Even if it's. Even if it's from a psychic.
Dr. Dan
Now, While you're here, Dr. John, do you think I could get you to go into the MRI for a quick scan?
Dr. John
Goodbye, Dr. Dan.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Am I free to go?
Dr. John
Unless there's anything else you need.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Actually, could you pass along a message for me?
Dr. Dan
She's still here.
Dr. John
I don't even know your real name, Dan. Not you.
Mrs. H (Ghost)
Winona. Harold and that guy went by Dr. Chambers when he was at the CDC.
Dr. John
Great. So no idea if I even get to make external phone calls here, but, yeah, I can try to pass along a message.
Dr. Dan
No cell service, but we can send an anonymous letter.
Dr. John
We can go talk in the hall or something. I need to get out of this observation room here. After you. Seriously? I'll be out in a second. I hope you got something useful out of this. It's interesting.
Dr. Dan
Couldn't have said it better myself. But I am unconvinced so far.
Dr. John
What?
Dr. Dan
You'll have to clarify. What? What?
Dr. John
What do you mean you're unconvinced of me?
Dr. Dan
Of what you say you can do?
Dr. John
I don't understand. Dr. Lewis confirmed the mutation in my blood. You saw what I just did.
Dr. Dan
Again, I saw what you think you can do.
Dr. John
You're not here to study us, then.
Observer/Interjector
You're here to disprove us.
Dr. Dan
I've been doing this job for a long time, Dr. John. And do you know how many people I've found who have actual special abilities? Of course you don't, because there isn't a ghost here to tell you, so I will. It's none, zip, zero. Zilch.
Dr. John
You think we're lying?
Dr. Dan
Janie is very intuitive. She believes she can see the past. But I think she's just using context clues to determine what people were doing. Like a good detective. And Huck is just an insomniac with delusions. Everything has an answer. Practical, physical. There's always an explanation.
Dr. John
And me?
Dr. Dan
I haven't figured it out yet, but I will.
Dr. John
I'm not one of your patients. Next time, don't treat me like something.
Dr. Dan
To observe, or you'll kill me too. But there will be a next time, eh? I'll let Dr. Lewis know you're a big help.
Observer/Interjector
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It is.
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Podcast: How I Died
Episode: S4 E06: The Educator In The Epidemic
Date: September 10, 2025
Producer: Audiohm Media
In this gripping full-cast audio drama, forensic pathologist Dr. Jonathan Spacer—who can communicate with the dead—is drawn into a high-stakes medical crisis in the town of Springfield. Bodies are piling up with symptoms of a mysterious illness. Dr. Spacer is recruited by Dr. Dan and a CDC operative to find out the cause of a recent death, but there’s a catch: Dr. Spacer must use his supernatural skills to interrogate the ghost of the deceased patient, as a race against time and an impending epidemic unfolds.
"Normally people get up to check where I am after about 20 minutes, so kudos on the tenacity. You passed."
— Dr. Dan [01:50]
"If he needs a HAZMAT suit, we should definitely be wearing them too."
— Dr. John [03:05] "Nonsense. We're all just about to be dosed with the antiviral. Then no worries."
— Dr. Dan [03:08]
"You're not gonna help them just because you don't want to feel like you're being judged? Hell, if you don't help them because of that, then we will definitely judge you."
— Mrs. H (Ghost) [06:37]
"You've… They already know the disease?"
— Dr. John [11:09]
Mrs. H’s background is revealed: she was a loner, an elementary school teacher, with no family and little social interaction.
Dr. John helps narrow down potential contacts. An unexpected detail surfaces: Mrs. H had a recent date with a mailman (Jared Freely), found via a government-employee dating site.
"I had a date."
— Mrs. H (Ghost) [16:48] "She went on a date last week with a mailman named Jared Freely."
— Dr. John [17:32]
The show speculates on possible infection routes: school exposure, her date, or (comically) imported rat-contaminated wine.
"If he imported his own wine, it's possible an infected rat got caught in the container, right?"
— Dr. John [19:25]
Dr. Dan reveals deep skepticism towards Dr. John’s powers—despite the evidence—and frames his interventions as psychological phenomena rather than supernatural.
"Again, I saw what you think you can do."
— Dr. Dan [21:17] "I've been doing this job for a long time, Dr. John. And do you know how many people I've found who have actual special abilities? Of course you don't, because there isn't a ghost here to tell you, so I will. It's none, zip, zero. Zilch."
— Dr. Dan [21:29]
Dr. John's frustration grows at being both disbelieved and exploited.
"Next time, don't treat me like something... to observe, or you'll kill me too. But there will be a next time, eh?"
— Dr. John [22:14]
Dr. Dan’s Observation Game
"Normally people get up to check where I am after about 20 minutes, so kudos on the tenacity. You passed." [01:50]
Ghostly Plea For Empathy
"You're not gonna help them just because you don't want to feel like you're being judged? Hell, if you don't help them because of that, then we will definitely judge you."
— Mrs. H (Ghost) [06:37]
Cynicism About The Supernatural
"I've been doing this job for a long time, Dr. John. And do you know how many people I've found who have actual special abilities? ...It's none, zip, zero. Zilch."
— Dr. Dan [21:29]
The Wine Theory
"Mrs. H said Jared was an amateur sommelier on the side. If he imported his own wine, it's possible an infected rat got caught in the container, right?"
— Dr. John [19:25]
Ambiguity of Truth and Skepticism
"That's the thing about being right. No one really cares how you came across the truth. Even if it's... Even if it's from a psychic."
— Narrator [19:53]
S4E06: The Educator In The Epidemic skillfully combines paranormal investigation with medical thriller. Utilizing Dr. Spacer’s unique ability as both burden and asset, the episode interrogates the ethics of exploitation, the skepticism of institutional authorities, and the haunting cost of an unchecked epidemic. Both the science and the supernatural are given equal narrative weight, pushing Dr. John to both literal and figurative breaking points. The closing lines hint at more conflict with the skeptical Dr. Dan, and an ongoing struggle for Dr. Spacer to prove himself—and save lives—in a world that refuses to believe.
For fans of medical mysteries, paranormal thrillers, or intense character dramas, this episode delivers a resonant mix of suspense, wit, and ethical complexity.